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| yamamot__ | hi | 07:00 |
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| yamamot__ | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 07:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamot__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:01 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet agenda | 07:02 |
| yamamot__ | #topic Announcements | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:02 | |
| yamamot__ | i turned all fix-committed bugs into fix-released | 07:03 |
| yamamot__ | following the default behaviour change in Dec | 07:03 |
| yamamot__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081612.html | 07:03 |
| yamamot__ | our icehouse branch is going to be EOL'ed | 07:04 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/+bug/1535201 | 07:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535201 in networking-midonet "networking-midonet icehouse branch retirement" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to YAMAMOTO Takashi (yamamoto) | 07:04 |
| yamamot__ | #topic Bugs | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:05 | |
| yamamot__ | i was bug deputy for the last week | 07:05 |
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| yamamot__ | we have a gate-affecting bug | 07:06 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/+bug/1537969 | 07:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537969 in networking-midonet "test_firewall_admin_disable failure on v2/ml2 jobs" [Critical,In progress] | 07:06 |
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| yamamot__ | waiting for a fix in midonet | 07:06 |
| yamamot__ | i guess i'm alone here in this meeting, so i volunteer for this week | 07:07 |
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| yamamot__ | bug deputy | 07:07 |
| yamamot__ | #topic Open Discussion | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:07 | |
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| yamamot__ | a short meeting is good. bye! | 07:12 |
| yamamot__ | #endmeeting | 07:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 07:12:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-01-26-07.01.html | 07:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-01-26-07.01.txt | 07:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-01-26-07.01.log.html | 07:12 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 08:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
| anteaya | I'm on a bus | 08:00 |
| lennyb | hi, how are you today? | 08:00 |
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| lennyb | 21 year technologies :) | 08:01 |
| anteaya | I have terrible lag on my irc client | 08:01 |
| anteaya | good thatnks and you? | 08:01 |
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| anteaya | anything to discuss today? | 08:01 |
| lennyb | still morning, hard to say yet. No, I have nothing to discuss today. | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | okay | 08:02 |
| anteaya | I have to get off the bus | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | I don't see anyone else today yet | 08:03 |
| lennyb | yeap. have a good night. | 08:03 |
| anteaya | day, I'm in Britian | 08:03 |
| anteaya | thanks lennyb you too | 08:03 |
| lennyb | have a interesting day... | 08:03 |
| anteaya | I'll close the meeting | 08:03 |
| lennyb | and good weather | 08:04 |
| anteaya | thanks, so far so oood | 08:04 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 08:04:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-26-08.00.html | 08:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-26-08.00.txt | 08:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-26-08.00.log.html | 08:04 |
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| Qiming | hi | 13:02 |
| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | swift meeting still on? | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | hello | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | seems so | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | the topic is still swift | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 13:03:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:03 |
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| cschulz | Hi | 13:03 |
| Qiming | seems they forgot to endmeeting | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hi, cschulz | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | pls review agenda here | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:03 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:03 |
| Qiming | oops, two open discussion, we got plenty of time? | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:04 |
| Qiming | anywhy, let's get started with etherpad | 13:04 |
| Qiming | #topic mitaka work items | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:05 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | no progress on API as I know of | 13:05 |
| Qiming | heat specs proposed for node/policy/receiver | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/271949 | 13:05 |
| elynn | yes, waiting for review | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | not aware of any on-going work about testing | 13:06 |
| Qiming | we got some bug reports and guys have helped work on them | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | health management, we have a dedicated timeslot for that | 13:07 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, it's yours | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | oh | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/senlin/+spec/support-health-management-customization | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | documentation, em, no progress either | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | Sample scenarios/stories, I'll get on to it | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | cool | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | just let us know if you need help | 13:08 |
| Qiming | my etherpad connection broke | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | network problem? | 13:09 |
| elynn | That's normal, get used to it :) | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:09 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:09 |
| Qiming | does it work for anyone of you? | 13:10 |
| cschulz | I'm putting together an example scalable stack using Senlin cluster. | 13:10 |
| Qiming | please drive the flow | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | it works for me | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | next one is profile | 13:11 |
| Qiming | okay, now I'm on it | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | I plan to work on heat stack update support first | 13:11 |
| Qiming | need a proxy again | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | who is cschulz | 13:11 |
| Qiming | great | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | could you introduce your name? | 13:11 |
| Qiming | cschulz, that would be great | 13:12 |
| cschulz | I'm Chuck Schulz from IBM Research in NY USA. | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | about dick property update support for nova server profile, will give it lower priority | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | Nice to meet you, cschulz | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | cschulz, welcome :) | 13:12 |
| elynn | Hi Chuck, welcome. | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | looks like disk updating is not common | 13:12 |
| Qiming | agree | 13:13 |
| Qiming | just leave it there | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | yes, that is my plan | 13:13 |
| Qiming | I'm experimenting cluster of containers | 13:13 |
| cschulz | elynn, We've been exchanging email. Thanks for the NotFound patch. | 13:13 |
| Qiming | using coreos | 13:13 |
| Qiming | it is an attempt to find the function gaps | 13:13 |
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| elynn | cschulz: yes, feel free to reach if you have any problems in using senlin resources :) | 13:14 |
| elynn | reach me | 13:14 |
| Qiming | policies | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | most work have been done I think | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | in last week | 13:14 |
| Qiming | we have released fixes to placement and deletion policies | 13:14 |
| Qiming | \o/ | 13:15 |
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| yanyanhu | lb policy also works now | 13:15 |
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| lixinhui_ | great | 13:15 |
| Qiming | all history now | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:15 |
| elynn | That's great, we are on the way. | 13:15 |
| Qiming | receiver functional test | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | will start this work after finishing heat stack update support | 13:16 |
| Qiming | we have deleted the webhook test, but not yet added one for receiver | 13:16 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | engine status list is done | 13:16 |
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| elynn | yes | 13:16 |
| Qiming | that bp closed? | 13:16 |
| elynn | not yet | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, about the problem I met before | 13:16 |
| elynn | not yet approved.. | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | has it been addressed? | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | you mentioned that could be race condition there | 13:17 |
| elynn | yanyanhu: I still don't have any idea about how to fix it. | 13:17 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, it didn't happen every time I restarted senlin engine | 13:17 |
| elynn | trap in meeting these two days, I think it's betterto open a but to track it. | 13:18 |
| Qiming | #action Qiming to update bp status - service list | 13:18 |
| Qiming | yep, file a bug sounds a plan | 13:18 |
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| elynn | Seem multi engine will have potential race condition when delete the same record. | 13:18 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, that could be the reason | 13:19 |
| Qiming | we can allocate some time for a discussion about event log generation in next meetings | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | not a high priority | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, ok | 13:19 |
| elynn | It's not a bocking issue I think | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | okay, anything missed in the etherpad? | 13:19 |
| elynn | lock breaker? | 13:20 |
| Qiming | yes? any progress? | 13:20 |
| elynn | I'm done coding and do some test on local env | 13:20 |
| elynn | it's base on engine status. | 13:20 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:20 |
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| elynn | Will steal lock after retry | 13:20 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:20 |
| Qiming | yes, just be careful on the critical path | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, looking forward to your patch :) | 13:21 |
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| lixinhui_ | cool, elynn! | 13:21 |
| Qiming | #topic cleanse desired_capacity | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | this one is a little bit dirty today | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | saw xujun's patch and your comment | 13:22 |
| Qiming | we don't have a clear definition of desired_capacity, so we are not handling it in a consistent way | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | yep, xujun talked to me 30 mins ago | 13:22 |
| Qiming | seems a concise definition is needed, to guide the code implementation | 13:23 |
| Qiming | desired_capacity, as the name suggests, is about the 'desired' size of a cluster | 13:23 |
| Qiming | it may and may not be the current size of a cluster | 13:23 |
| elynn | So how do we get the current_size? | 13:24 |
| Qiming | do a node_get_all | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | we are not maintaining the current size as a cluster property | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | it is always a instanteneous concept | 13:25 |
| cschulz | I don't think it should be. | 13:25 |
| cschulz | Current capacity is a bit of data that may change at any moment. | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | exactly | 13:25 |
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| lixinhui_ | ... | 13:26 |
| Qiming | so the question is about when are we gonna change the desired_capacity | 13:26 |
| elynn | ok, I might need to revise the cluster resource in heat. | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, about that patch, actually I agree with xujun that the desired_capacity should be changed once the node object is added into DB | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | yanyanhu, I agree with that patch too | 13:26 |
| cschulz | As I see it desired capacity only changes based on a Action. | 13:26 |
| Qiming | but I dislike the way to fix it piece by piece | 13:27 |
| Qiming | say when are get a request cluster-scale-in by 1 | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, me neither | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | that is an intent to shrink the cluster size by 1, an intent to descrease desired_capacity | 13:27 |
| cschulz | Shouldn't that scale in actually change the desired capacity? | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | when we remove a node from a cluster (not matter we destory it or not after the removal), the intent is to decrease the desired_capacity as well | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | cschulz, that is the expectation, but I'm not 100% sure we are consistently enforcing this changes everywhere | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | cschulz, desired_capacity is expected to be changed during that action | 13:29 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, that's right | 13:29 |
| cschulz | Yes I agree. | 13:29 |
| Qiming | so ... I'm hoping we do a cleanse about desired_capacity | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | from DB level? | 13:29 |
| cschulz | So current capacity is always trying to match desired capacity. | 13:30 |
| Qiming | the first thing to do when processing an action is to change its desired_capacity | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | not matter the action succeeds or not | 13:30 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, agree | 13:31 |
| Qiming | certainly, we will do some sanity checking before changing desired_capacity, e.g. whether it is going beyond the max_size etc. | 13:31 |
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| cschulz | Ah ... So here is the rub. Should there be a daemon which is always looking at the current capacity and the desired capacity and triggering an action if they are different? | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | cschulz, you are running ahead of us, :) | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | cschulz, that's an important thing we want to do :) | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | although maybe in future | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | let's reach a consensus here, about desired_capacity | 13:32 |
| Qiming | #topic rework NODE_CREATE, NODE_DELETE actions | 13:32 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, that's the point | 13:32 |
| Qiming | these two actions are currently off the radar for policy checking | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | this has to be fixed | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | and maybe we also need to recheck the current implementation of cluster resize/scale actions | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | to ensure their logic is right | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | adding NODE_CREATE/DELETE into policy checking is gonna further complicating the policy checking logic | 13:33 |
| Qiming | so my proposal is like this: | 13:33 |
| Qiming | when we get a node-create request, with cluster_id specified | 13:34 |
| Qiming | we create a NODE_CREATE action followed by an internal CLUSTER_ADD_NODE action | 13:34 |
| Qiming | the section action will trigger the cluster policies | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | you mean cluster_add_node action depends on node_create action? | 13:35 |
| Qiming | yes, a single dependency | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:35 |
| Qiming | it is a little bit tricky to get it doen | 13:35 |
| Qiming | s/doen/done | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | sound good :) | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we should still lock the cluster first before locking the node | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | if we do these 2 steps in the reverse order, we will risk introducing some dead locks | 13:36 |
| cschulz | Might that cause the cluster to be locked for a long time? | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | cluster should be locked only when cluster_add_node action is executed, right? | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | cschulz, have the same concern | 13:36 |
| Qiming | so .. a rule of thumb, always lock a cluster first then lock the node you want to operate | 13:37 |
| Qiming | hopefully, it won't be that long | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, but the first node_create action has not relationship with cluster I think | 13:37 |
| cschulz | OK, but don't lock cluster before performing the create-node | 13:37 |
| Qiming | it is much shorter than cluster-scale-out count=2 | 13:37 |
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| yanyanhu | until cluster_add_node action started | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | there is a window where we have created a node db object, and we are creating a node | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | at the same time, another request comes in, it wants a scaling down | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | hmm. that's a problem | 13:39 |
| Qiming | anyway, just a rough idea, will need to revisit the workflow and see if it fits in seamlessly | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | or maybe we split creating node with target cluster specified into two individual actions | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | need further discussion | 13:40 |
| Qiming | #action Qiming to add NODE_CREATE/DELETE rework into etherpad for tracking | 13:40 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, that is possible too | 13:41 |
| Qiming | we will introduce some waiting logic in engine service before adding node to cluster | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, that will be nice | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | will dig more | 13:42 |
| cschulz | I don't like waits. You never know how long is enough. | 13:42 |
| Qiming | #topic health management | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | yes, cschulz, agreed | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | I registered a new BP https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | sorry | 13:43 |
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| lixinhui_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/senlin/+spec/support-health-management-customization | 13:43 |
| lixinhui_ | need all of you's help to review | 13:43 |
| lixinhui_ | in the Mitaka 2, we have implemented the check and recover functions | 13:43 |
| Qiming | good, but we still need some more details | 13:43 |
| lixinhui_ | we need dicuss how to enable them | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | right, those are the primitives to check if a node is 'healthy' or not and to recover a node by recreating it | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | I think we will need to expose those operations as APIs | 13:45 |
| Qiming | triggered by some external node monitoring software | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | xinhui, I agree with what you described in whiteboard | 13:45 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes | 13:45 |
| Qiming | there is a subtle question here | 13:45 |
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| yanyanhu | maybe the first step is exposing those two actions through API | 13:46 |
| Qiming | checking logic is okay, we only check the nodes we know of | 13:46 |
| cschulz | So is it possible for metric information to be part of the health check test? | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | cschulz, that depends on the profile implementation | 13:46 |
| cschulz | OK | 13:46 |
| Qiming | cschulz, the expectation is that we will build some internal health check polling as a starting point | 13:47 |
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| lixinhui_ | yanyanhu, you mean the first one: manual | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | if you need it, you can implement it in do_check routine of the profile | 13:47 |
| Qiming | that polling can be disabled by deployer easily, if they have a better alternative for health monitoring | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, yes | 13:47 |
| Qiming | back to the 'recover' action | 13:47 |
| Qiming | we have primitives for node recover, which defaults to recreate, or nova server rebuild, this is fine too | 13:48 |
| Qiming | but for cluster recover, we may need to consider the desired_capacity | 13:48 |
| Qiming | this is leading us back the question cschulz asked before | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:49 |
| Qiming | if we find a cluster only have 2 nodes ACTIVE and 1 node ERROR, and desired_capacity is 4 | 13:49 |
| Qiming | the expected recover action should be rebuild one plus create one | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | Qiming and Yanyan, I agree this is a problem. but it is the concept of limits of "resource pool" | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | I do not think recover need to think this | 13:50 |
| Qiming | that's my understanding of recover | 13:50 |
| cschulz | I think the test is as Qiming stated plus no actions current against that cluster. | 13:50 |
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| lixinhui_ | since the error node comes from awareness of inconsistency of node status stored by senlin and nova | 13:50 |
| cschulz | i.e. nothing is trying to create that 4th node. | 13:50 |
| Qiming | or at least we should provide such an option to users | 13:50 |
| Qiming | node level recovery is fine | 13:51 |
| lixinhui_ | cluster recover fork node recover nowdays | 13:51 |
| Qiming | but for recovering a cluster, it means you are taking full responsibility to get it back to its desired_capacity? | 13:51 |
| cschulz | Yes, I think that is the correct approach | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | or else, we will have to introduce another operation to do this job | 13:52 |
| Qiming | it would be a headache | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | definitely | 13:52 |
| lixinhui_ | i think it should be another service to handle limits of capacity | 13:52 |
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| lixinhui_ | not only for recover | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | very difficult to say which way is better before thinking this problem more deeply | 13:53 |
| Qiming | once this mechanisms are all in place, we proceed to think of making this whole process semi-automatic and/or fully-automatic | 13:53 |
| Qiming | again, just a rough idea | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | we can think of it offline | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:54 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:54 |
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| yanyanhu | I think elynn has proposed a topic | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | into Austin summit | 13:54 |
| Qiming | shoot | 13:54 |
| Qiming | ... that 'meeting' | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | ? | 13:55 |
| elynn | Do you have any topic to propose? | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, yours is the only one :) | 13:55 |
| Qiming | I want to propose a solution for container clustering | 13:55 |
| elynn | More is better :) | 13:55 |
| Qiming | hopefully we can get a POC done by the summit | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, you mean a container cluster managed by senlin? | 13:56 |
| Qiming | I'm collecting all the SUR works last year | 13:56 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | not other container services | 13:56 |
| Qiming | yes, openstack native container clustering | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | cool! | 13:56 |
| lixinhui_ | cool! | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | proposal deadline is approaching, need to work hard on this | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | or another candidate would be the health scenario | 13:57 |
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| lixinhui_ | who to show this health scenario | 13:58 |
| Qiming | as far as I know of, HA has been a long-wanted feature, not provided by any service | 13:58 |
| lixinhui_ | how to show | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | lixinhui_, you tell me, ;) | 13:58 |
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| yanyanhu | hmm, I think we need a more specific use case for building the health topic | 13:58 |
| cschulz | As you think about HA, also consider DR. | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | otherwise, it's difficult to describe it clearly | 13:59 |
| elynn | maybe should think of a HA scenario :) | 13:59 |
| Qiming | cschulz, good idea | 13:59 |
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| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:59 |
| Qiming | time's up, let's switch back to #senlin | 13:59 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining the meeting, guys | 13:59 |
| Qiming | talk to you next week | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:59 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 13:59:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-01-26-13.03.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-01-26-13.03.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-01-26-13.03.log.html | 13:59 |
| cschulz | bye guys thanks. | 13:59 |
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| gampel | #startmeeting Smaug | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 14:05:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gampel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
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| gampel | Hi everyone | 14:06 |
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| yinweimac | hi | 14:06 |
| xiangxinyong456 | hi | 14:06 |
| zengyingzhe | o | 14:06 |
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| liuan | hi | 14:06 |
| chenzeng | hello | 14:06 |
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| gampel | #topic Design status | 14:08 |
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| zengyingzhe | preparing to implement the protectables, if you guys have no more comments. | 14:09 |
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| chenzeng | operationengine design bp has submitted. also the implementation of timetrigger. i have started the development of rpc interfaces of operationengine | 14:11 |
| zengyingzhe | Anyone else? | 14:11 |
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| yinweimac | yingzhe, how about the project protectable, is there any API to show/list project object in openstack? | 14:11 |
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| zengyingzhe | that depends on if we provide the project protectable | 14:12 |
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| yinweimac | Protection Service design has committed patch set 8 for review, where I have added namespace interfaces in BankPlugin according to Eran's comment | 14:12 |
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| yinweimac | yingzhe, you can confirm it with Eran | 14:13 |
| yinweimac | I think so, since smaug allow user to choose project as a resource to be protected | 14:14 |
| zengyingzhe | They might still have some problems about the exposed method from protection plugin as protect, restore... | 14:14 |
| yinweimac | seems network in Eran side is not stable | 14:14 |
| saggi | Yes | 14:14 |
| saggi | it's ok | 14:14 |
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| saggi | the bot is recording everything | 14:14 |
| yinweimac | he's always joining and leaving | 14:14 |
| saggi | he'll catch up | 14:15 |
| saggi | please continue | 14:15 |
| zengyingzhe | yinweimac, yes, there is a topic to discuss what resource we support. | 14:15 |
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| saggi | zengyingzhe: I pushed a list to gerrit. With the the basic protectables we want to support and their dependency. | 14:15 |
| yinweimac | saggi, I raised an issue to see whether we should have protection plugin to build work flow tasks | 14:16 |
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| yinweimac | Basically, I prefer plugins only implement simple functions | 14:16 |
| gampel | I am back sorry | 14:17 |
| zengyingzhe | saggi, that's too much, can we concentrate on some of them, the most important now? | 14:17 |
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| yinweimac | I don't want to involve protection plugin to care about our execution component, like task flow, nor the persistence logic, like checkpoint/bank | 14:17 |
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| gampel | yinweimac: it makes senses | 14:18 |
| saggi | zengyingzhe: There are only 6 of them, and Keystone::Project is just metadata. Manila::Share is low priority | 14:18 |
| yinweimac | so is it possible to make the 'get_prev_task' and 'get_post_task' out of protection plugin? | 14:19 |
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| saggi | I don't see us launching without VM, Net Topology, Cinder and Glance | 14:19 |
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| zengyingzhe | yinweimac, agree with plugin not handling persistence logic. | 14:19 |
| saggi | zengyingzhe, yinweimac: One thing at a time please :) | 14:19 |
| saggi | Are we OK about the protectables list? | 14:20 |
| yinweimac | ok, you guys go first | 14:20 |
| yinweimac | I'm ok with it | 14:20 |
| saggi | zengyingzhe: You said that there are too much in the list | 14:20 |
| zengyingzhe | yes | 14:20 |
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| saggi | This list ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262264/7/doc/images/available_protectables.svg | 14:21 |
| zengyingzhe | Perhaps we don't have enough people to implement all of these. | 14:21 |
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| zengyingzhe | So can we pick some of them, such as VM, cinder, the most important ones for now. | 14:22 |
| saggi | zengyingzhe: As I said we can remove Manila::Share from the initial list but the rest seem essential to me. Don't you think ? | 14:22 |
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| yinweimac | yingzhe, if you find in short of human resource, we have Dr. hu who just joined us to help on several of protectables | 14:23 |
| saggi | How will we manage VM network ? | 14:23 |
| t4nk603 | i am Rong Hu | 14:23 |
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| yinweimac | hi, Rong | 14:23 |
| yinweimac | Just recommend you to help on protectable implementation | 14:24 |
| zengyingzhe | If we got enough time and human resource, then it's ok to me | 14:24 |
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| yinweimac | saggi, what do you think about managing VM network | 14:24 |
| zengyingzhe | but we should estimate the workload of these plugins | 14:24 |
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| yinweimac | yes, let's scoping it now | 14:24 |
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| saggi | gampel agrees that the protectables listed are essential | 14:26 |
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| saggi | We can't backup a VM without it's storage and network information | 14:26 |
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| yinweimac | yes, those protectables are must have | 14:26 |
| zengyingzhe | saggi, does that mean we should also implement protection plugins for those resource type? | 14:26 |
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| saggi | zengyingzhe: Yes, but remember that only Cinder\Glance actually contain data. The rest is just metadata. | 14:27 |
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| zengyingzhe | OK, got it. my topic is done. go next one | 14:27 |
| saggi | So the plugins will be relatively simple from backup perspective. The only real work will be for restore. | 14:27 |
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| gampel | I think that this is the list of must have | 14:28 |
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| saggi | yinweimac: Please articulate your concerns about the task and plugins | 14:28 |
| yinweimac | ok | 14:28 |
| saggi | gampel, please change the topic to "Protection Plugins and Tasks" | 14:28 |
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| yinweimac | currently we have get_prev_task and get_post_task in protection plugin interface | 14:30 |
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| yinweimac | which means we need build task and task flow (dependencies among tasks) inside protection plugin implementation | 14:30 |
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| yinweimac | inside task execute() implementation, it even needs care about persistence logic, since we need persist the protection result into checkpoint/bank | 14:31 |
| yinweimac | which I think makes the protection plugin implementation a complex | 14:31 |
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| yinweimac | I'm thinking if it's possible to follow cinder driver routine | 14:32 |
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| yinweimac | where driver only implement simple functions, and the data to be persisted | 14:32 |
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| saggi | yinweimac: The problem is that we don't want to force the plugins to a specific flow. | 14:32 |
| yinweimac | So we don't expose our execution and persistence logic to protection plugins | 14:33 |
| saggi | The plugins will have to handle persistent logic for anything outside the bank anyway. | 14:33 |
| saggi | And will have to handle transactioning that. Meaning they will have to leave information in the bank before they put stuff anywhere else. | 14:34 |
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| yinweimac | what i don't prefer is to have plugin to persist things into bank | 14:35 |
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| saggi | But it will have to do that to manage it's own transactions. | 14:35 |
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| saggi | Since we don't want it to do anything it can't clean up from information in the bank | 14:35 |
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| saggi | that means persisting some transaction information in the bank before and after the actual data transfer. | 14:36 |
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| yinweimac | it could provide interface to clean up its resources | 14:36 |
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| saggi | I'll try and explain the use case better | 14:36 |
| yinweimac | i don't think so | 14:36 |
| yinweimac | ok, go ahead | 14:36 |
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| saggi | Let's say I have a plugin that backs up the volumes to some NFS share somewhere. If it starts copying and we crash there is no way for us to know that there is partial information in the share. What the plugin is supposed to do is save some information in the bank like 'copy started to = nfs://folder/volume' and then start copying. That way if we crash we know that we have partial data in the NFS share. After we finish copying we will change it to | 14:39 |
| saggi | This means the plugin needs low level access and the ability to create temporary information in it's section of the bank. | 14:39 |
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| saggi | Since if we back up to multiple locations or to multiple files we might need more complex flows. | 14:40 |
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| yinweimac | saggi, this could be solved by task flow engine itself | 14:41 |
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| yinweimac | first, to recycle in-progress garbage, it could be implemented in task.revert() function | 14:42 |
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| yinweimac | plugin only provides interface to recycle it | 14:42 |
| saggi | This is only valid at runtime | 14:42 |
| saggi | It will still need to persist data in the bank. | 14:42 |
| yinweimac | second, if you want the engine to resume the status last time it crashes | 14:42 |
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| saggi | We have to give plugins access to put information there | 14:43 |
| yinweimac | wait, i haven't finished yet | 14:43 |
| saggi | sorry | 14:43 |
| yinweimac | np | 14:43 |
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| yinweimac | i print slowly | 14:43 |
| yinweimac | if you want the engine to resume the status last time it crashes, we can give the engine a persistent storage | 14:43 |
| yinweimac | which will persist the status of the engine itself | 14:44 |
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| yinweimac | so it could resume its status and the task flow status and the task status when it crashes | 14:44 |
| gampel | yinweimac: but the task could have multi step not known to the engine | 14:44 |
| yinweimac | I think the granularity of task is equal to the granularity of resources we built in resource graph | 14:46 |
| yinweimac | otherwise, we need split the resource in resource graph with smaller granularity | 14:46 |
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| gampel | yinweimac: i mean a even a backup task of volume could have muti step this depends on the backup provider features | 14:47 |
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| yinweimac | for volume backup example, create backup will return a backup id at once | 14:48 |
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| gampel | yinweimac: whats the reasoning to push this responsibility to the engine ? | 14:48 |
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| yinweimac | that' what plugin gives back as return data, we persist it in bank but doesn't care the content of the return data | 14:48 |
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| yinweimac | push what responsibility to engine? | 14:49 |
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| yinweimac | I mean, the task building and persistence logic should be the work of protection service, not the plugin implementation | 14:50 |
| gampel | yinweimac: maybe i miss some thing because of all the disconnects , lets take it to our channel and continue with the other items, what do you think ? | 14:50 |
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| saggi | yinweimac: The engine will be responsible for all the common elements. But we still leave the actual data flow logic to the plugin. | 14:51 |
| gampel | #action yinweimac & Saggi & gampel define who is responsible persistence logic | 14:52 |
| yinweimac | I prefer not | 14:52 |
| yinweimac | actually I wrote a mail to Eran | 14:52 |
| yinweimac | Eran, could you pls. fwd it to saggi? | 14:52 |
| yinweimac | we can talk about it in mail offline | 14:52 |
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| gampel | ok i will lets continue this discussion in our channel | 14:53 |
| yinweimac | gample, it's late here. | 14:53 |
| yinweimac | ok, let's use our channel | 14:53 |
| gampel | lets do it tomorrow morning | 14:53 |
| gampel | we do not have much time left | 14:53 |
| yinweimac | np | 14:54 |
| yinweimac | sure | 14:54 |
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| gampel | There are few tasks that are open for coding like protectable | 14:54 |
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| chenzeng | by the way, please give more time to review operationengine design and implementation. thanks. | 14:55 |
| zengyingzhe | gampel, yes, i'm working on it. | 14:55 |
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| gampel | lets try all to finalize all the open review this week | 14:55 |
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| chenzeng | it is great. | 14:55 |
| yinweimac | Bin is working on implement swift bank plugin and Liu an is doing provider registry work | 14:56 |
| yinweimac | shall we talk in our own channel? | 14:57 |
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| gampel | this is great we should mean while we work on the design start sending patches on the items that are all ready defined | 14:57 |
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| gampel | yes | 14:57 |
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| gampel | Thanks every one and sorry for all my disconnects thanks saggi for covering | 14:57 |
| gampel | Thanks every one and sorry for all my disconnects thanks saggi for covering | 14:57 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | you are welcome | 14:58 |
| gampel | lets continue in our channel | 14:58 |
| gampel | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 14:58:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-01-26-14.05.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-01-26-14.05.txt | 14:58 |
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| kevinbenton | Maybe there is a conflict with this and the pub | 15:06 |
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| armax | the drivers meeting has been moved to Thursday | 15:18 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269780/ | 15:18 |
| armax | I did warn people on the mailing list last week | 15:18 |
| armax | at ease | 15:18 |
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| bujoon | jpavlik: ok som spravne | 15:37 |
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| jpavlik | bujoon: yes | 15:38 |
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| jpavlik | jasondotstar: can we start Jason? | 15:59 |
| jasondotstar | indeed | 15:59 |
| jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 15:59:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt' | 15:59 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:59 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 16:00 |
| evolucion | o/ | 16:00 |
| jpavlik | o/ | 16:00 |
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| cznewt | o/ | 16:00 |
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| maxstack | o/ | 16:01 |
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| kukacz | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 16:01 |
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| jasondotstar | this is our first meeting for the 'official' openstack salt team | 16:02 |
| evolucion | woohoo! | 16:02 |
| jasondotstar | \o/ | 16:02 |
| jasondotstar | for everyone in attendance, if you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 16:02 |
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| jasondotstar | meetings will be here on Tuesdays weekly | 16:02 |
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| jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 16:03 |
| gerhardq1x | o/ | 16:03 |
| jasondotstar | welcome gerhardq1x | 16:03 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 16:03 |
| jasondotstar | for meeting agenda, notes, etc. | 16:03 |
| jasondotstar | let me also say here that it's awesome that we've got folks ready to roll with this | 16:04 |
| jasondotstar | good to know. :-) | 16:04 |
| evolucion | +1 | 16:04 |
| jasondotstar | anything from anyone else? | 16:04 |
| evolucion | thanks for organizing! | 16:04 |
| evolucion | excited to get some traction | 16:04 |
| gerhardq1x | yes, good initiative | 16:04 |
| cznewt | yes, this is great to start officialy under Openstack | 16:04 |
| jasondotstar | great minds think alike :-) | 16:05 |
| jasondotstar | let's get to it, shall we? | 16:05 |
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| jpavlik | yes | 16:05 |
| cznewt | yes | 16:05 |
| evolucion | please | 16:05 |
| gerhardq1x | yes | 16:05 |
| genunix | yeees | 16:05 |
| kukacz | sure | 16:05 |
| jasondotstar | #topic items | 16:05 |
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| bujoon | yes | 16:05 |
| cznewt | so the agenda for today is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-salt-weekly-meeting-20160126 | 16:05 |
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| jasondotstar | so, i started the meeting, the channel, and the git project | 16:06 |
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| jpavlik | maybe I would like to explain this two fractions | 16:06 |
| jasondotstar | b/c at the time I was unaware that there was as much going on around creating salt formulas for OpenStack | 16:06 |
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| jasondotstar | jpavlik: sure. | 16:06 |
| jpavlik | there was created two official openstack salt initiatives and we did not know each other. | 16:07 |
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| jasondotstar | after starting the channel, and the meeting...folks began to trickle into the channel and pledge there interest. | 16:07 |
| jasondotstar | one sec jpavlik | 16:07 |
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| jpavlik | ok | 16:07 |
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| jasondotstar | as jpavlik said.... 2 openstack salt initiatives have been created, each unaware of the other | 16:07 |
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| jasondotstar | but I think we have an opportunity to collaborate | 16:08 |
| jasondotstar | with that, let's hear from jpavlik who can tell us where things are with the effort they've had going | 16:08 |
| jasondotstar | jpavlik: ok.... go for it :-) | 16:08 |
| jpavlik | sure. thanks :) ... | 16:08 |
| jasondotstar | np. | 16:08 |
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| jpavlik | so we have worked on salt formulas for more than 3 years and we actually put this approach for at least 10 companies in production. At last summit we decided to get it official and worked on cleanup and standards, CI, etc. | 16:09 |
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| jpavlik | now we would like to proceed this as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272469/ first stuff. | 16:10 |
| jpavlik | and discuss how we can colaborate | 16:10 |
| jpavlik | to get there hybrid environmets | 16:10 |
| jpavlik | like redhat and single node deployments devstack, etc. | 16:10 |
| jpavlik | I bring some other guys from community like evolucion bujoon kukacz maxstack | 16:11 |
| jpavlik | who actualy uses this framework in production | 16:11 |
| evolucion | I'm a user/contributor to the tcpcloud salt-formulas. I'm running these in production enterprise | 16:11 |
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| jpavlik | we would like to bring jasondotstar and other your friends to this platform and extended to your approach | 16:12 |
| evolucion | sounds good. I get behind that | 16:12 |
| jpavlik | cznewt: is Ales Komarek leader of tehcnology salt and father of the idea | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:12 |
| cznewt | to add to this, the effort to go under openstack big tent started some months ago, a lot of work was done on integrating salt testing | 16:12 |
| cznewt | so now we are ready to move forward set the current status, priories for next development | 16:13 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: is there anybody from your side too? | 16:13 |
| evolucion | I would love to see it under one effort/direction | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | jpavlik: no. lone wolf. | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | since you guys have a lot of traction already | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | i think it's best that we combine the effort | 16:14 |
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| jpavlik | I would like to discuss strategy and then organize technical hangout between jasondotstar and cznewt | 16:14 |
| evolucion | yeah | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | all of the git repos | 16:14 |
| evolucion | agree. Lets get it under one roof and move forward | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | that are mentioned in the review | 16:14 |
| bujoon | hi, we as a telco provider we are in process of salt formulas implementation with tcp cloud | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | we should just go with that | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | if you guys dont mind having me on board | 16:15 |
| kukacz | and to disclose myself - I'm here for a corp building openstack cloud offering based on tcpcloud salt formulas, soon into the production | 16:15 |
| cznewt | yes, get synchronised, combine what we have and head the same way | 16:15 |
| jasondotstar | to help with the code (of course), meetings, and etc. | 16:15 |
| cznewt | yes | 16:15 |
| jasondotstar | I'm willing to help in that regard. | 16:15 |
| evolucion | Me too | 16:15 |
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| jasondotstar | you guys have a lot of work done already. makes no sense for me to try and start again from ground zero. | 16:15 |
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| evolucion | okay so we've agreed on that | 16:16 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: great! | 16:16 |
| evolucion | what are the next steps here | 16:16 |
| cznewt | super, we need to get the revew accepted and get the repositories in openstack namespace | 16:16 |
| evolucion | divide and conquer | 16:16 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed makes sense to combine the dual efforts | 16:16 |
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| genunix | can we first talk about what we have and then proceed to next steps? | 16:16 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: +1 | 16:16 |
| evolucion | sure | 16:16 |
| jasondotstar | sure | 16:16 |
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| jpavlik | jasondotstar: can you put comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272469/ that we agreed? and then we would like to start with first wave of formulas. Maybe Ales can explain better cznewt | 16:17 |
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| jasondotstar | jpavlik: +1 | 16:18 |
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| jasondotstar | let's continue | 16:19 |
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| genunix | We have created project base at launchpad here: https://launchpad.net/openstack-salt with wiki home (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackSalt). Formulas are currently living in https://github.com/tcpcloud git repos. | 16:19 |
| jasondotstar | ok can you talk about that first bullet item? Formulas sources available | 16:19 |
| jasondotstar | there we go. | 16:19 |
| cznewt | ok | 16:19 |
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| cznewt | the github/tcpcloud is now the general source of repos, as genunix said it is already available at launchpad as packages | 16:20 |
| genunix | We build debian packages from all formulas in our CI (but this should be also done in Openstack one), they are living here if someone is interested: https://launchpad.net/~tcpcloud/+archive/ubuntu/salt-formulas | 16:20 |
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| jasondotstar | how environment specific are these packages | 16:21 |
| cznewt | the formulas are primarily targetted to install ha openstack (juno/kilo/liberty) | 16:21 |
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| jasondotstar | ack. | 16:21 |
| cznewt | jamespage: environment = os? | 16:21 |
| genunix | and we just finished unified way of testing for all openstack formulas (https://github.com/tcpcloud/salt-formula-linux/tree/master/tests) | 16:21 |
| jasondotstar | well, jpavlik mentioned that some of the work was specific to customer build outs | 16:22 |
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| jasondotstar | im working if there is an opportunity to generalize the formulas, making them less customer centric | 16:22 |
| cznewt | it is just backends for cinder | 16:22 |
| jasondotstar | s/working/wondering | 16:22 |
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| jpavlik | jasondotstar: yes, thats excactly what is interesting for me | 16:23 |
| cznewt | yes, the idea is to have the system modular as possible, covering all possible scenarios | 16:23 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | I'd have to take a deeper dive into what's there | 16:23 |
| cznewt | yes there's a documentation ready | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | but I agree on that. | 16:23 |
| cznewt | https://github.com/tcpcloud/openstack-salt | 16:24 |
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| jasondotstar | cool. | 16:24 |
| cznewt | you can build it locally for now, it covers a lot of topics | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | that was going to be my next qn | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | local dev environment | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | cool, I'll have to try that out. | 16:25 |
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| cznewt | you want to know, about the services composition, metadata, and the deployment | 16:25 |
| jasondotstar | so, what has been the development approach? one openstack module at a time? how'd you decide which one(s) to start with? | 16:25 |
| genunix | jasondotstar: ad. dev environment, there are heat templates which deploy Salt master + Openstack cluster using these formulas (https://github.com/tcpcloud/heat-templates). Which is basically what we mostly use for development and testing. | 16:26 |
| cznewt | I'll polish the chapters about vagrant installation :) this is what you prefer for local dev? | 16:26 |
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| jasondotstar | yes | 16:26 |
| jasondotstar | vagrant. | 16:26 |
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| cznewt | Ok, i'll fix the chapter | 16:27 |
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| cznewt | the approach of adpoting one service at a time, how flexible is openstack ci for that? | 16:27 |
| jasondotstar | #action cznewt to finish out the chapter on local dev environment (i.e vagrant) | 16:27 |
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| cznewt | to add all formulas at a time [core ones] and then the support ones, or all of these at once to serve as an inspiration for further contributors | 16:29 |
| cznewt | i'd like to summarise our goal in a manifesto: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-salt-manifesto | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-salt-manifesto | 16:30 |
| cznewt | jasondotstar: can we go through this and agree upon this till next meeting | 16:30 |
| cznewt | to all of us | 16:30 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: sure | 16:30 |
| jasondotstar | #topic OpenStack Salt Manifesto | 16:31 |
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| jasondotstar | so this is sort of a lead up to creating specs, yes? | 16:32 |
| cznewt | yes | 16:32 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 16:32 |
| cznewt | this the main motivation and response to the openstack/salt integration, while keeping the solution as general as possible | 16:32 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:33 |
| jasondotstar | we all agree on the problem statements mentioned in the manifesto, yes? | 16:33 |
| genunix | yes | 16:33 |
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| Tux__ | sure | 16:34 |
| gerhardq1x | agreed | 16:34 |
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| jasondotstar | #agreed problem statements in the manifesto are satisfactory | 16:34 |
| cznewt | I'd start with getting the core and support formulas under openstack [these are the essential to install whole system] | 16:35 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:35 |
| jasondotstar | how about this statement: | 16:35 |
| jasondotstar | This project will be an all batteries included project. Which means anyone can expect that deploying should end up with an OpenStack cloud built for production which will be available after the successful completion of the deployment process. | 16:35 |
| jasondotstar | should we spell out which components | 16:36 |
| jasondotstar | aka core? | 16:36 |
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| cznewt | this means you get production ready cloud is the main point here, not just development version | 16:36 |
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| cznewt | components: keystone, glance, horizon, nova, neutron, heat, ceilometer, cinder, Linux, OpenSSH, Salt, NTP, MySQL, RabbitMQ, Memcached, Mongodb | 16:37 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: understood. i think that spelling out the components prevents confusion | 16:37 |
| cznewt | these are the core openstack and infrastructure services needed | 16:38 |
| jasondotstar | there shouldn't be any, but just in case ppl think that you're going to get monasca | 16:38 |
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| gerhardq1x | HA? | 16:39 |
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| cznewt | Meaning does this support High Availability? | 16:39 |
| jasondotstar | high availability | 16:40 |
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| gerhardq1x | yes, in the statement? | 16:40 |
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| gerhardq1x | do we intent to include it | 16:40 |
| cznewt | yes the main deployment is in HA mode | 16:40 |
| cznewt | all control services on multiple nodes in active-active mode | 16:41 |
| kukacz | +1 for HA | 16:41 |
| cznewt | services can be split to multiple nodes one by one to provide even mode scalability options. | 16:41 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed the team should focus on getting the openstack salt formulas for the core components, then focus on the supporting modules | 16:42 |
| jasondotstar | +1 re: AH | 16:42 |
| jasondotstar | +1 re: HA* | 16:42 |
| cznewt | the usual case is to split ceilometer with mongodb aside from the rest of the control plane | 16:42 |
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| jasondotstar | ok couple other topics | 16:43 |
| jasondotstar | we've got about 15 min left here | 16:43 |
| cznewt | #link https://github.com/tcpcloud/openstack-salt/blob/master/doc/source/install/figures/server_topology.jpg | 16:43 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic official repos for OpenStack salt | 16:43 |
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| jasondotstar | core, support, and monitor | 16:44 |
| cznewt | #link https://github.com/tcpcloud/openstack-salt/blob/master/doc/source/install/figures/openstack_system.png this one is better | 16:44 |
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| jasondotstar | core => keystone, glance, horizon, nova, neutron, heat, ceilometer, cinder | 16:44 |
| jasondotstar | support => Linux, OpenSSH, Salt, NTP, MySQL, RabbitMQ, Memcached, Mongodb | 16:44 |
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| cznewt | get the core ready till the next week | 16:45 |
| jasondotstar | monitor => Collectd, Sensu, Graphite, Heka, ElasticSearch | 16:45 |
| jasondotstar | how ready is the core set of formulas? | 16:45 |
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| cznewt | it is ready for juno/kilo/libery on ubuntu, for rhel it needs some polishing | 16:46 |
| jasondotstar | ack. | 16:46 |
| jasondotstar | and you're targeting next week to be completely rdy? | 16:46 |
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| cznewt | i think from the functional point of view it's ok, we have just finished the automated test | 16:46 |
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| cznewt | it's ready already. we need to cover the supported backends | 16:47 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:47 |
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| cznewt | the only think that needs to be fixed is support for vanilla neutron setup | 16:48 |
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| cznewt | this is something that needs to be available for dev single node setup | 16:49 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: want to take an action item to report on the status next week? | 16:49 |
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| cznewt | yes | 16:50 |
| jasondotstar | #action cznewt to report on the completion of the core set of salt formulas | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic salt platform agnostic approach | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | so when jpavlik and i were talking in chan | 16:51 |
| cznewt | and i'll walk you through the local dev setup before the next meeting | 16:51 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: sounds good. +1 | 16:51 |
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| cznewt | the ubuntu/cloudarchive is ready, the rhel/rdo needs cleaning up | 16:52 |
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| jasondotstar | we wanted to make sure that there is a clear distinction between formulas that can adapt to platform | 16:52 |
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| jasondotstar | are these all part of the same codebase | 16:52 |
| jasondotstar | or are we talking two different ones? | 16:52 |
| cznewt | everything is part of same codebase | 16:53 |
| jasondotstar | cool. | 16:53 |
| jasondotstar | sounds like that's covered as well. | 16:53 |
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| cznewt | it just needs testing and 'polishing' | 16:53 |
| jasondotstar | yes, I'll have to take a look at what you've got. sounds very comprehensive | 16:53 |
| cznewt | the RDO | 16:53 |
| jasondotstar | cool | 16:53 |
| cznewt | we worked with that havana/icehouse | 16:54 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:54 |
| cznewt | and it's outdated | 16:54 |
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| jasondotstar | so the rhel work needs to come up to speed | 16:54 |
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| cznewt | the only thing that needs our attention is vanilla neutron | 16:54 |
| cznewt | yes | 16:54 |
| jasondotstar | gotcha. | 16:54 |
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| jasondotstar | last couple items here | 16:55 |
| jasondotstar | #topic integration testing and metadata sources | 16:55 |
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| cznewt | and we should provide way for other network/storage solutions to integrate into this | 16:55 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: +1. that plays into the agnostic approach | 16:55 |
| cznewt | all formulas include basic set of tests | 16:55 |
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| jasondotstar | is the testing automated through the CI | 16:56 |
| cznewt | which can be run upon code changes to check whether they work | 16:56 |
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| jasondotstar | gating, etc. ? | 16:56 |
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| cznewt | no, at our ci, just test results | 16:57 |
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| cznewt | i mean it just runs, no gating, sorry :) | 16:57 |
| jasondotstar | so perhaps we need to look into gating | 16:57 |
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| cznewt | yes | 16:58 |
| jasondotstar | and what's needed there | 16:58 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:58 |
| jasondotstar | 2 mins left | 16:58 |
| jasondotstar | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
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| jasondotstar | so sounds like there's been a TON of work completed | 16:59 |
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| jasondotstar | interesting that I was unaware | 16:59 |
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| jasondotstar | so I'm glad we found each other to talk through what's been in the works | 16:59 |
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| jasondotstar | anything else? | 17:00 |
| jasondotstar | of not we can close | 17:00 |
| cznewt | yes, I'm glad to be part of this effort :) | 17:00 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: +1 | 17:00 |
| gerhardq1x | yes, I'm very excited | 17:00 |
| cznewt | we will show the puppeteers :D | 17:00 |
| jasondotstar | thanks all. until next week. otherwise let's chan in channel. :-) | 17:00 |
| cznewt | how its' donw | 17:00 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: lol | 17:00 |
| cznewt | yes | 17:00 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 17:00:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-01-26-15.59.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-01-26-15.59.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-01-26-15.59.log.html | 17:00 |
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| asselin | #startmeeting third-party | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 17:03:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:03 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 17:04 |
| apoorvad | o/ | 17:04 |
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| ja3 | o/ | 17:04 |
| asselin | hey | 17:04 |
| asselin | sorry I'm late | 17:04 |
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| mmedvede | inexcusable | 17:04 |
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| mmedvede | :) | 17:04 |
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| asselin | #topic announcements | 17:04 |
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| asselin | anyone have anything to announce? | 17:05 |
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| asselin | me neither. | 17:05 |
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| asselin | #topic CI Watch | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | #link open reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+ci-dashboard+status:open | 17:06 |
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| mmedvede | need to ask for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238606/ to be approved | 17:06 |
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| mmedvede | last week I did start on implementing a few unit tests | 17:07 |
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| asselin | yeah, apoorvad are you using that now? or still manual deploy? | 17:07 |
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| asselin | mmedvede, saw that. very nice. still need to review | 17:08 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: the patch series is incomplete - I would appreciate just a general review on direction. Maybe I am moving too many things around | 17:08 |
| apoorvad | I am using mmedvede script to deploy stuff | 17:08 |
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| asselin | mmedvede, ok will do that | 17:09 |
| asselin | apoorvad, cool! | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | asselin: and the script uses the puppet module. So it is tested | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | apoorvad: I also noticed you deployed the latest regression fix, thank you | 17:10 |
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| apoorvad | Apparently I forgot to push the regex fix as a part of the latest patch and it got merged without the correct diff | 17:11 |
| asselin | apoorvad, ?? | 17:11 |
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| apoorvad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270688/ fixed it | 17:12 |
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| asselin | sorry I didn't understand this: "Apparently I forgot to push the regex fix as a part of the latest patch and it got merged without the correct diff" | 17:13 |
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| apoorvad | asselin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270688/ fixed things missed in my last patch | 17:14 |
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| asselin | apoorvad, ok....so we're all good now? deployed version = master? | 17:15 |
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| apoorvad | asselin : thats correct | 17:15 |
| asselin | ok, good :) | 17:15 |
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| asselin | anything else? | 17:16 |
| apoorvad | asselin : Can you approve this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238606/ | 17:16 |
| asselin | no I don't have +2 | 17:16 |
| mmedvede | need to ask on of puppet cores | 17:16 |
| asselin | but I can ping some people after the meeting | 17:17 |
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| apoorvad | alright! | 17:17 |
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| asselin | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:18 |
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| asselin | quite a few third-party vernders are working on setting up common-ci | 17:19 |
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| asselin | #link Notes for users who have set it up. These should be added back into the documentation and/or bug fixes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/thirdpartyci | 17:19 |
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| asselin | seems to be quite a few issues still that can be addressed ^^ | 17:20 |
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| asselin | that's an etherpad to help track people notes so we can address them more informally than bugs/launchpad. | 17:20 |
| asselin | that link is also under "Reference links" in this meeting's wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_Working_Group_meeting | 17:21 |
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| asselin | infra has merged quite a few nodepool changes which is impacting documentation | 17:21 |
| asselin | in particular, you can't build an image without nodepool running. | 17:21 |
| mmedvede | ouch | 17:21 |
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| asselin | there's a few more issues IMO, but I think they're still ironing those out. | 17:22 |
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| asselin | unfortunately I haven't had much time to look into it and debug these. | 17:22 |
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| Swanson | hello | 17:23 |
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| asselin | I've been suggesting folks to pin nodepool to the last tag 0.2.0 | 17:23 |
| asselin | #common ci pin nodepool to 0.2.0 https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/contrib/single_node_ci_data.yaml#n38 | 17:23 |
| asselin | #link common ci pin nodepool to 0.2.0 https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/contrib/single_node_ci_data.yaml#n38 | 17:23 |
| asselin | Swanson, HI! | 17:24 |
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| asselin | #link Nodepool Release prior to image builders merging. https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/nodepool/tag/?h=0.2.0 | 17:24 |
| mmedvede | asselin: I am pinning nodepool and zuul myself | 17:25 |
| mmedvede | but it was suggested to me before that it basically reduces participation in community, because less people would see problems and fix them | 17:25 |
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| asselin | yeah, I think this is one of the big issues right now wtih common-ci is that it's all based on 'master' and 'latest' and we don't have regerssion testing | 17:26 |
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| asselin | so I'm thinking of suggesting pins on the latest known working of nodepool, zuul, and jenkins to start with | 17:27 |
| mmedvede | I would vote yes on this | 17:27 |
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| mmedvede | especially for new CIs, it might be hard to figure out why things suddenly break when something bad got deployed from master | 17:28 |
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| Swanson | I'm having enough issues getting the environment setup to run against my HW/SW without worrying about the infra tools. | 17:29 |
| asselin | right..that's the challenge when debugging....is it a regression or a conf issue | 17:29 |
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| asselin | Swanson, I think I was you're using that etherpad right? | 17:31 |
| asselin | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/thirdpartyci | 17:31 |
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| Swanson | I was using it in addition to the documentation. Not everything on it applies anymore. | 17:31 |
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| asselin | sorry...something has come up and I need to go.... | 17:33 |
| asselin | anything else to discuss? | 17:33 |
| Swanson | Not at the moment | 17:33 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: I would ask in infra channel for the puppet-ciwatch review | 17:33 |
| asselin | Swanson, docs should be accurate with nodepol 0.2.0. pin | 17:33 |
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| Swanson | asselin, I'm currently trying to work out a localrc/local.conf setup that actually lets me test my hardware. Will revist credential issues after that. | 17:35 |
| asselin | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 17:35:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-26-17.03.html | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-26-17.03.txt | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-26-17.03.log.html | 17:35 |
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| pleia2 | Infra folks about? | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | fungi is out this week, so I have the meeting chair baton | 19:01 |
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| cody-somerville_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | thanks for stepping in, pleia2 ! | 19:01 |
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| pleia2 | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 19:02:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| cody-somerville_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | Do we have any non-agenda-y announcements? | 19:03 |
| craige | o/ | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | this week is the last call for the infra-cloud sprint registration, so be sure to sign up if you're coming so I can send the final counts to HPE: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/InfraMitakaSprint#Registration | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | also probably worth noting that HPE Cloud shuts down this week | 19:04 |
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| * Clint sniffs. | 19:05 | |
| pleia2 | jeblair, mordred, clarkb - do we have any announcey things for this? | 19:05 |
| cody-somerville_ | Have we asked if some of the HP DC Ops folks wanted to attend for part? | 19:05 |
| cody-somerville_ | re: sprint | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:05 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | did we send out announcements for the shutdown? | 19:05 |
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| pleia2 | cody-somerville_: I think we have a tour of a datacenter planned (I need to follow up) but I don't think we've directly invited any of them to the sprint itself | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: I don't remember seeing any | 19:06 |
| AJaeger | then let's send one... | 19:08 |
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| pleia2 | now that we're closer in, hopefully we have a better idea of the exact impact (how many instances we have active vs. lose) | 19:08 |
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| pleia2 | so I think it would be good to send a message about the impending impact | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | who wants to send this email | 19:09 |
| pleia2 | ? | 19:09 |
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| cody-somerville_ | I'm happy to volunteer. | 19:09 |
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| pleia2 | cody-somerville_: ok, want to draft something in etherpad and then share in channel later so folks can chime in before you send? | 19:10 |
| cody-somerville_ | Yup. Sounds good to me. | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:10 |
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| cody-somerville_ | #action Cody to send nodepool HP Cloud sunset announcement. | 19:10 |
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| pleia2 | #action cody-somerville to draft and send HPE Cloud shutdown notice+impact to openstack-infra and openstack-dev | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | hm, can non-chairs do actions? | 19:11 |
| * cody-somerville_ shrugs. :) | 19:11 | |
| pleia2 | welp, maybe we'll have 2 :) | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:11 | |
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| pleia2 | the only one was: fungi release gerritlib 0.5.0 | 19:12 |
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| pleia2 | was this done? | 19:12 |
| * AJaeger does not see a 0.5.0 tag | 19:12 | |
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| pleia2 | zaro: I know you had interest in having this done, do you know what happened? | 19:12 |
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| zaro | i think fungi said he was too busy to do it. | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | ok, is there an infra-root who wants to take this action item this week? | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | I can do it | 19:14 |
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| pleia2 | #action nibalizer release gerritlib 0.5.0 | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer: thanks :) | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | sure thing | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | #topic Specs approval | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:14 | |
| pleia2 | APPROVED: Move docs.openstack.org/releases to releases.openstack.org | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/releases-openstack-org.html | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | hooray! | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | APPROVED: Improve Translation Setup | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_setup.html | 19:15 |
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| pleia2 | long road with that one, nice to see it approved | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | PROPOSED: Unified Mirrors | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252678/ | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | krotscheck: this one is yours :) | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | hi! | 19:16 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, so, it's already under heavy development, and fungi wanted it to put up to a council vote. | 19:16 |
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| * krotscheck doesn't actually know what that means, but is here to answer questions. | 19:16 | |
| jeblair | we're in the home stretch actually | 19:17 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Well, for the AFS portion. | 19:17 |
| * krotscheck notices that it's in merge conflict. | 19:17 | |
| * krotscheck has had too many ux meetings. | 19:17 | |
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| jeblair | well, more than afs -- the pypi part of this (as reinterpreted through afs) is basically complete | 19:17 |
| krotscheck | True | 19:18 |
| krotscheck | Anyway, let me rebase that really quick | 19:18 |
| jeblair | which means we just about have the platform needed to start adding other mirrors to it | 19:18 |
| mordred | I also pushed up a patch to do apt mirroring in AFS | 19:18 |
| jeblair | at any rate, it'd be good to open this for voting; and then probably a catch-up patch later to mention the afs changes | 19:18 |
| cody-somerville_ | I know from experience I've specifically wanted to split mirrors out to separate hosts for performance reasons. Will it still be easy for one to do that after this spec is complete? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | (i realize that's slightly the wrong order, but apparently we've re-prioritized this :) | 19:19 |
| mordred | cody-somerville_: yes | 19:19 |
| jeblair | mordred: it will? | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: sounds good | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i guess i mean there's nothing stopping it | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | you can always have more hosts | 19:20 |
| mordred | jeblair: sure. we can have AFS volumes on different file servers and we can have different apache hosts doing different portions | 19:20 |
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| mordred | yah | 19:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: it's worth noting this spec doesn't mention afs :) | 19:20 |
| mordred | I don't think we need that ourselves just now | 19:20 |
| krotscheck | Why would that improve performance? | 19:20 |
| mordred | jeblair: heh | 19:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: it's the 'unified mirrors' spec | 19:20 |
| jeblair | so it's actually mostly about putting everything on one host | 19:20 |
| mordred | nod. | 19:20 |
| mordred | so - in _that_ spec then, splitting would be harder :) | 19:20 |
| jeblair | (that we then use that host to serve afs is a nice follow-on, but is not fundamental to the idea) | 19:20 |
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| cody-somerville_ | I think the afs is actually maybe a bit more important than that as we've found # of mirrors increases load if you're just using good ol' rsync. | 19:21 |
| krotscheck | I'm still not certain how having mirrors on differnt hosts would improve performance, given that everything's on an AFS share already. | 19:21 |
| jeblair | we kind of keep going back and forth talking about afs or not which is confusing | 19:21 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so that spec needs to be updated to include AFS. | 19:22 |
| mordred | I agree. also, we have not experienced performance issues with our mirrors, so while it'sa good topic, maybe let's come back to solving it later | 19:22 |
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| krotscheck | Because, well, that's actually what we're building. | 19:22 |
| cody-somerville_ | +1 | 19:22 |
| jeblair | yes, i mentioned that earlier, but we're building that on top of that spec | 19:23 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: I think we disagree about whether it should be part of this spec or a followup. | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: to me, that spec describes how we are restructuring the mirrors to serve multiple types of mirror content from a single host per region | 19:24 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: So AFS is an implementation detail? | 19:24 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: the fact that we are then moving the backing store for that data from local disk to remote is a follow-on change | 19:24 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, I'm convinced. | 19:24 |
| mordred | I agree with that characeterization | 19:24 |
| mordred | woot. we all agree! | 19:24 |
| krotscheck | Mark the calendar! | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | ok, so folks can chime in and we'll set a deadline of next thursday (feb 4) for voting for now? | 19:25 |
| jeblair | i will volunteer to write the update to it to describe the afs work | 19:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: \o/ | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | but i think it's worth voting on that now because it is 90% of what's going on and i think we all actually do agree on it, and it's a nice reference to have (we have certainly referenced it while doing this work :) | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | sounds good to me | 19:25 |
| jeblair | (to be clear, i will write a follow-up patch so that we can open voting on this first one) | 19:26 |
| mordred | I hav evoted | 19:26 |
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| pleia2 | ok, onward to priority efforts! | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | #topic Priority Efforts: Ansible Puppet Apply | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts: Ansible Puppet Apply (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:27 | |
| pleia2 | The agenda says: "Ready to remove from the priority efforts list/query and move into the implemented section now?" | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i would have said yes -- though i think we may want to keep tracking this until we have launch-node working with puppet apply | 19:27 |
| jeblair | currently our launch-node process still involves the puppetmaster | 19:28 |
| jeblair | so we can't down it until that is resolved | 19:28 |
| jeblair | i believe mordred has some patches up though | 19:28 |
| jeblair | we may need to change their topics | 19:28 |
| mordred | yah | 19:29 |
| mordred | I need to fix them too | 19:29 |
| mordred | they are incompete | 19:29 |
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| mordred | but I hope to have that ready/done by next weekish | 19:29 |
| jeblair | so i say we leave this topic for another week or two to track that | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | sounds good, thanks jeblair | 19:29 |
| cody-somerville_ | Does this mean config changes are applied almost instantaneously after landing now or is that still to be done? | 19:29 |
| mordred | still to be done | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | none of the other priority efforts have updates, so I'm going move on to the other agenda items | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | #topic Adding a new node to nodepool to support libvirt-lxc testing in Nova (thomasem, dimtruck) | 19:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding a new node to nodepool to support libvirt-lxc testing in Nova (thomasem, dimtruck) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:30 | |
| nibalizer | jeblair: there are a lot of things that require the puppetmaster | 19:30 |
| nibalizer | thomasem: dim<tab> what's this then? | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: (what else?) | 19:32 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: (i mean the actual puppetmaster service; not the host) | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | alright, maybe we'll come back to this one | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | SergeyLukjanov: are you about? | 19:33 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: ooooo yes then we are in agreement | 19:33 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pleia2 not sure | 19:33 |
| jeblair | (sorry i could have been more clear about that) | 19:33 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Scheduling a Gerrit project rename batch maintenance (SergeyLukjanov) | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scheduling a Gerrit project rename batch maintenance (SergeyLukjanov) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:33 | |
| pleia2 | SergeyLukjanov: all yours :) | 19:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 19:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it was not sure because finally jet lagged :) | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have two items on the renaming list | 19:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I can do it Friday or early morning Sat PST | 19:34 |
| nibalizer | I am fosdem this weekend, no availablity | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | I'll be visiting penguins prior to LCA, so I won't be around either | 19:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | seems like we don't have the second root to backup | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | are there any other infra-root folks who will around to assist? | 19:36 |
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| mordred | I will be driving a very large truck | 19:36 |
| olaph | yes, you will | 19:37 |
| bkero | Don't drink and root | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | ok, sounds like it needs to be bumped at least another week | 19:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | seems like need to move to the next meeting agenda and re-evaluate | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | SergeyLukjanov: sounds good | 19:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pleia2 yup, thx | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | #topic Puppetboard/PuppetDB Crashes | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | so, this is a thing :( | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | this is me | 19:38 |
| jeblair | waaah | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | so puppetboard will just randomly 500 on you | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | and if you read apache logs this is because puppetdb is not responding | 19:38 |
| jeblair | i too have noticed this | 19:38 |
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| nibalizer | in the puppetdb logs there are some exeeptions and it kinda looks like the whole java thing restarts | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | so this isn't me showing up with the fix | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | i just thought we should identify it as a known issue and ya someone should probably dig | 19:39 |
| nibalizer | usually that would be me but unless inspiration or frustration hits I'll likely not get to it until mid feb | 19:39 |
| jeblair | did something change recently? | 19:40 |
| jeblair | heh, i mean, we changed how we submit reports | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | yea | 19:40 |
| jeblair | but what else? | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | we used a privateish api and now it crashes sometimes | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | we r smart developers | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: oh, so the only substantial change we know is the way we submit reports? | 19:40 |
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| mordred | yh - that changed with the move to puppet apply | 19:41 |
| nibalizer | thats the only change I know of | 19:41 |
| mordred | we are no longer letting the puppetmaster do it for us | 19:41 |
| mordred | we're grabbing the reports from the hosts and injecting them ourselves | 19:41 |
| nibalizer | if someone wanted to try to debug this themselves I'd be happy to assist | 19:41 |
| mordred | SO | 19:41 |
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| mordred | I have an idea that we may want to think about | 19:41 |
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| mordred | which is that since we don't use puppetmaster - the advanced feautres of puppetdb are kind of lost on us | 19:41 |
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| mordred | and all we REALLY need is something that can turn json/yaml reports into html people can look at | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:42 |
| mordred | so maybe if fixing puppetdb turns too hard - we can just hack up a visualizatoin thing to visualize the log data | 19:42 |
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| pleia2 | I fully support continuing our merry-go-round of dashboards | 19:42 |
| mordred | pleia2: :) | 19:42 |
| jeblair | i agree -- so if the inspiration to try to fix puppetdb doesn't strike anyone, maybe the inspiration to do that will :) | 19:42 |
| mordred | also - we could have it support the ansible info _AND_ the puppet info | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | ya | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | mordred: yeah, that would be useful | 19:43 |
| mordred | k. I'm not going to do that htis week | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | i've thought for a while that we should just submit the ansible info as if it was a puppet report | 19:43 |
| jeblair | mordred: that wolud be a cool tool. | 19:43 |
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| pabelanger | do we have raw yaml / json for ansible / puppet some place? | 19:43 |
| mordred | pabelanger: I can get you some | 19:44 |
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| pabelanger | I've been dumping my ansible stuff into influxdb atm, just to render some failures | 19:44 |
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| mordred | pabelanger: I'm landing now - remind me and I'll connect with you a little later to get you the datas | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | mordred: cook | 19:44 |
| crinkle | puppetboard + puppetdb is also providing fact data, not just reports | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | cool* | 19:44 |
| mordred | crinkle: yes | 19:45 |
| crinkle | i just don't want NIH to get us into having half of a dashboard | 19:46 |
| cody-somerville_ | pabelanger: Do you know if RH is going to Open Source Ansible Tower? | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | cody-somerville_: eventually | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: ++ | 19:46 |
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| nibalizer | and its not like we can't add features to puppetdb/puppetboard that we want | 19:46 |
| cody-somerville_ | pabelanger: it looks pretty. | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | we haven't even bothered upgrading either service since their installation | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | anyways tl;dr the problem is known and if a human wants to investigate it please do, feel free to ping me for logs or getting started | 19:47 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:47 |
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| pleia2 | ok, thanks nibalizer | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | #topic OpenStack summit presentations (pabelanger) | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-upstream-openstack-infa | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | pabelanger: thanks for jumping on this, deadline for Austin summit submissions is coming up very fast | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | Ya, if anybody is interested is helping with an openstack lightning talk, please add your self to etherpad | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | so far me and pleia2 | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | could use another 1 or 2 people | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | http://paste.openstack.org/show/485070/ is an example puppetdb log | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | you can propose other topics than the ones on there too if there's something else you want to talk about (though people do enjoy the gertty ones) | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | Yup, dealers choice | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | that is all | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: thanks! | 19:50 |
| cody-somerville_ | \o/ | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | #topic Open discussion | 19:50 |
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| pleia2 | 10 minutes left | 19:50 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:50 |
| jeblair | i like the lightning talks -- it looks like a bunch of fun topics from people who enjoy working on them :) | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | I'm flying to AU tomorrow afternoon for LCA, so I'll be out again for ~10 days | 19:51 |
| craige | + 1 jeblair | 19:51 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: yes, it was a very good idea :) | 19:51 |
| cody-somerville_ | Whats the limit for # of lightning talks? | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | cody-somerville_: there's a chat in the etherpad now on that | 19:52 |
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| cody-somerville_ | Cool. | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | if we have more speakers, the talks are just shorter ;) | 19:52 |
| jeblair | pleia2: we'll miss you! | 19:52 |
| cody-somerville_ | So it'll depend on how many talks we get / 45 minutes ? | 19:52 |
| jeblair | say hi to the penguins | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | penguins \o/ | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | Ya, right now we have 4 | 19:53 |
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| cody-somerville_ | From experience, 5 minute lightning talks are better than 10 if you can get enough speakers. | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | and 45mins | 19:53 |
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| Zara | I have a coupla things to mention before the end of the meeting! :) | 19:53 |
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| pleia2 | Zara: please do | 19:54 |
| Zara | 1. as far as we know, storyboard emails are ready to go, pending infra setting up email config, which I believe is this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/ . so if there's anything else we can help with, let us know | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | oh, awesome | 19:54 |
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| Zara | 2. we're doing a meetup on the 17th of February | 19:55 |
| jeblair | if anyone wants to update that, feel free; otherwise i will get back to it in a little bit (maybe later in the week?) | 19:55 |
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| pleia2 | Zara: in person, or virtual? | 19:56 |
| Zara | pleia2: in person, sorry, just finding details to link | 19:56 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:56 | |
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| Zara | etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryBoard_Mitaka_Midcycle wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Midcycle_Meetup | 19:57 |
| Zara | that was rushed, ha | 19:57 |
| Zara | I meant to go through and fix the formatting, but didn't get around to it :/ | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | oh good, anteaya will be there | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | so there will be some infra representation | 19:58 |
| Zara | yes! we'd like more (originally it was planned around infra-cloud, but topics depends on who can come and so on) :D | 19:58 |
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| Zara | anyone going to the ops meetup, it's in the same city, the day after | 19:58 |
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| Zara | I'd planned to announce it more stylishly | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | "For everyone: Cake. " this is going to be a good meetup | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | Zara: was this announced on openstack-dev? if not, may be worth announcing/forwarding to openstack-infra to invite us too | 19:59 |
| Zara | yes! :D | 19:59 |
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| Zara | ah, okay, will do! | 20:00 |
| Zara | (am very new to this...) | 20:00 |
| Zara | thank you | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | Manchester is too far for me for a trip so soon, but maybe others can (not sure if anyone on our team is going to the ops meetup this time | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | ok, that's a wrap@ | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 20:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-01-26-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-01-26-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| cody-somerville_ | \o_ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-01-26-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy ping: jeblair mordred dhellmann russellb markmcclain dtroyer lifeless mestery annegentle (the rest announced they won't join today) | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
| agentleweb | here | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | Who's around for the TC meeting? | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | o/ | 20:01 |
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| piet | o/ | 20:01 |
| agentleweb | what number is quorum? | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | agentleweb: 7 | 20:01 |
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| flaper87 | we need 2 more | 20:01 |
| agentleweb | is that even English? Sorry, how many TC members do we need for quorum? :) | 20:01 |
| agentleweb | ok | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | agentleweb: that's not english! that's math! | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | lol | 20:02 |
| russellb | hi, sorry | 20:02 |
| * edleafe is lurking, of course! | 20:02 | |
| flaper87 | one more | 20:02 |
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| dtroyer | am I in time to count? | 20:03 |
| * rockyg is glaring in edleafe's direction as he took her corner | 20:03 | |
| flaper87 | dtroyer: yes | 20:03 |
| * jroll doesn't count but is here | 20:03 | |
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| flaper87 | let's start | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 26 20:03:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | you can find our agenda for today there | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | #topic remove expired extra ATCs | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "remove expired extra ATCs (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:03 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/268272 | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | #chair dhellmann | 20:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann flaper87 | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | (in case my network drops) | 20:04 |
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| flaper87 | the meeting today should be pretty straightforward | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | This has 6 votes | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | so this is some cleanup I did in the course of changing the yaml schema to include extra-atcs for fungi | 20:04 |
| jeblair | wow i forgot about #chair | 20:04 |
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| agentleweb | I reached out to the people on the docs list, some of those emails even bounce, but generally people are not surprised | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | it's not like it's hard to add folks back to the list, either, if the ptl wants | 20:05 |
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| flaper87 | dtroyer: your vote is missing on that one :d | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: right | 20:05 |
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| agentleweb | what I wondered was whether those names were included in the round of Austin summit invites? | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | agentleweb: I don't think they were | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | but I'm not 100% sure | 20:05 |
| russellb | if they're expired and they were included, they got lucky :) | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | russellb: my thoughts exactly | 20:06 |
| agentleweb | heh | 20:06 |
| dtroyer | flaper87: done | 20:06 |
| russellb | but of course, easy to re-add if applicable and needed | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | I don't have the rights to approve that, just ttx does. We won't be approving anything today, we'll let that for ttx to do it when he's back from the beach | 20:06 |
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| agentleweb | sounds good | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | Let's try to at least get some consensus on stuff | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | anything else on this topic? | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 20:07 |
| russellb | we should have a CI job that automatically checks for expirations and proposes these changes | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | #topic Applying for a EC2API replacement project. | 20:07 |
| russellb | (kidding) | 20:07 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/268774 | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | russellb: I believed you for 1 second | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | this one has some comments from agentleweb | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | but I don't think there's any major objection | 20:08 |
| jeblair | russellb: we actually do that in infra ;) | 20:08 |
| agentleweb | All I did was look up EC2 trademark info, and then I think the mission could be clarified is all | 20:08 |
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| flaper87 | agentleweb: something that could be done in a follow-up patch? or you'd rather have it in this one | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | ? | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | agentleweb : good point on the wording, see my follow-up | 20:09 |
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| russellb | we could call it the FD3 API if needed | 20:09 |
| * flaper87 is still refreshing the browser to see dhellmann's comments | 20:09 | |
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| agentleweb | why not DA2? :P | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | lol | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, this one needs some extra work | 20:10 |
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| flaper87 | look forward to the new PS and vote again :D | 20:10 |
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| flaper87 | just minor wording and I believe we're good. | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | ooooooooook, moving on | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | #topic add new Repo(shovel) to the Governance Repository | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/269417 | 20:11 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: and ttx dropped some comments there | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | I didn't commented/voted because I very much agree with their comments | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | I probably should've added my vote there as well | 20:12 |
| russellb | same, i didn't dig much with the existing -1s | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | we probably don't need to pile on, if folks agree | 20:12 |
| agentleweb | can I hear more about rackHD or get some reading material? | 20:13 |
| agentleweb | baremetal driver? | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | agentleweb : https://rackhd.readthedocs.org | 20:13 |
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| flaper87 | I didn't dig much into rackhd itself but based on the maturity of the project (they literally just announced it) I think it'd be better to wait | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | I wonder if the request for inclusion in the tent was made on the wrong assumption that it is arequirement for having a repo | 20:14 |
| jeblair | jroll: do you have any insight into this project? | 20:14 |
| agentleweb | thanks dhellmann | 20:14 |
| devananda | from what I read, it's a single vendor backed solution | 20:14 |
| jroll | ohai | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | devananda : yeah, that was my impression, too | 20:14 |
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| * devananda is not jroll, but was already typing that out | 20:14 | |
| jeblair | ah and devananda is lurking too :) | 20:14 |
| jroll | so, yeah, rackhd is brand new thing that is mostly an ironic competitor with a small featureset that does not overlap | 20:14 |
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| jroll | shovel is even newer, and basically a bridge to pick up nodes from shovel and put them in ironic | 20:15 |
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| jroll | and push extra monitoring data into ironic db | 20:15 |
| jeblair | i think i understand the name now | 20:15 |
| jroll | I personally would prefer that EMC contributed to ironic, but they don't seem willing to do so | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | do either shovel or rackhd have features that were on the road-map for ironic? | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | jroll: have they explained why? | 20:15 |
| jroll | dhellmann: rackhd has features we'd like to do, yes | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | jroll: I mean, why they don't contribute to Ironic | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | jroll : thanks | 20:16 |
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| jroll | flaper87: because they would rather rackhd not be an openstack thing, is all I've really heard | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | am I remembering correctly that either shovel or rackhd or both were written in node? | 20:16 |
| jroll | both | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | and yet there's a library that sits on top of it that aims to be part of openstack | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:16 |
| russellb | sounds fishy. | 20:17 |
| jroll | flaper87: yep, they want to integrate with openstack, but not require openstack | 20:17 |
| jroll | it's essentially an ironic-inspector replacement, at that point, best I can tell | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | is keedya in channel today? | 20:17 |
| jroll | tab complete says no (his nick is keedya | 20:17 |
| jroll | ) | 20:17 |
| devananda | the description here sounds very similar to ironic ... https://rackhd.readthedocs.org/en/latest/how_it_works.html#general-bare-metal-automation-with-pxe | 20:17 |
| devananda | and the next section on Discovery -- also duplicates what we do with Inspector | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | We've rejected requests because of the language they are built in. There are a couple of more reasons in the case of Shovel besides the language thing | 20:17 |
| agentleweb | jeblair: can we support node in our current infra? | 20:18 |
| devananda | dhellmann: to you rlanguage question, from the docs: "The code for RackHD is a combination of JavaScript and C" | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | duplicating features is no longer forbidden outright, so the question is whether this is "gratuitously competing or reinventing the wheel" | 20:18 |
| jeblair | agentleweb: krotscheck has been doing much work around improving npm testing. i think javascript in general is either well supported or close enough to be well supported not to have concerns. however, i don't know if there are special challenges around node specifically. | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | devananda : cool, thanks | 20:19 |
| jroll | yeah, so it's weird, because it's rackhd that is reinventing the wheel | 20:19 |
| jroll | however only shovel is applying to be an openstack thing | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | from a governance perspective I don't think we're ready to accept projects written in other languages. Are we? I remember we discussed this like 3 or 4 months ago | 20:20 |
| jeblair | agentleweb: lets say i should ask infra at large about node in particular. | 20:20 |
| jroll | "integrate with rackhd" isn't a thing I'm opposed to, I just wonder why it needs a whole project with a ptl and everything | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | Shovel is just a proxy to an ironic akin software | 20:20 |
| jroll | rather than building a thing and talking about joining the ironic team | 20:20 |
| jroll | or integrating it into ironic itself | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | jroll: is that something that could be part of Ironic's team? | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | or even project | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | jroll: yeah | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | sorry, you write faster than me | 20:21 |
| jroll | :) | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | jroll : I would be interested in hearing that discussion, too. It came up in the context of astara as well, but in a different way | 20:21 |
| lifeless | sorry I'm late, ECHILD. | 20:21 |
| jroll | I'd be opposed to it today, but maybe not in the future | 20:21 |
| agentleweb | flaper87: our guideline concludes that as long as they can build on infra and docs and test in the gate another language is ok | 20:21 |
| devananda | jroll, others: has rackhd itself applied to join openstack -- or just shovel? | 20:21 |
| jroll | devananda: just shovel | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | agentleweb: a-ha! ok, we're good there | 20:22 |
| devananda | weird | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | devananda : this application is only for shovel | 20:22 |
| jroll | devananda: the repo is already openstack, it's just the governance part we're discussin | 20:22 |
| devananda | I do not understand why a shim on top of ironic would be a separate project | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | ok, I think we have enough questions to feed back to the review | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | jroll: ? shovel is openstack ? | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | And we need to sit this and wait for those answers | 20:22 |
| lifeless | jroll: I am confuse. | 20:22 |
| jroll | lifeless: openstack/shovel exists, the governance patch is the discussion at hand | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | lifeless, jroll : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269411/ | 20:23 |
| jroll | yeah that one. | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | In summary, it seems to me that the agreement is: As it is, Shovel is not ready to stand by itself unless it is pulled under the Ironic's team umbrella | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | does that sound fair? | 20:23 |
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| lifeless | jroll: its not an official project though, which is what I thought you were implying by saying it 'is openstack' | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : there are questions about that, yes. My concern is that the project is young, and the contributors haven't engaged with the ironic team at all. | 20:23 |
| jroll | lifeless: yeah, sorry, by "the repo" I only meant code | 20:23 |
| jroll | words are hard | 20:24 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: agreed, lets feed all that back into the review and wait for feedback from the authors. | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87 : I'm not sure we should assume that the project must become part of ironic | 20:24 |
| jroll | dhellmann: agree | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: didn't mean t oassume that rather propose as an option | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | k | 20:24 |
| devananda | dhellmann: ++ on both points | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to comment back on the Shovel review and provide feedback based on what was discussed here | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | anything else before we move on? | 20:26 |
| agentleweb | yeah, sounds like the right next thing for shovel | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | #topic Adding SaltStack to OpenStack | 20:26 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/269556 | 20:26 |
| lifeless | flaper87: I commented on the review | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | Same as for Shovel, didn't comment because I agree with the current comments | 20:27 |
| jeblair | the somewhat inaccurately named patch :) | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | lifeless: oh, nice! thanks | 20:27 |
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| flaper87 | jeblair: yeah, I was confused when I read the title | 20:27 |
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| flaper87 | "OH Really?" | 20:27 |
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| flaper87 | so, I don't think there are objections here other than maturity | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | That seems to be the feedback from the review | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | is cznewt in channel today? | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | doesn't look like it | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | mmh, doesn't look like | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | :/ | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | I'm a little surprised that there haven't been any responses to the review comments already posted on this one | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | also, the author of the review is a new contributor. I don't think that's bad but I believe that bakes up the feeling that the project probably needs some extra time | 20:31 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, it was surprising that someone's first patch was to add a project (not bad, just surprising) | 20:32 |
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| flaper87 | ok, will try to contact cznewt and get feedback | 20:32 |
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| lifeless | flaper87: +1 on it baking the feeling :) | 20:32 |
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| jeblair | usually the first patch is to create the project in project-config | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | anything else folks want to add ? | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: right | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:32 |
| agentleweb | nom baked feels | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 20:33 |
| AJaeger | patch for project-config was submitted today | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : ah, good to know | 20:33 |
| agentleweb | honestly though, after adding a project recently, I can see why you'd sorta "ask first, do all the config work later" :) | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | AJaeger: oh, thanks for the heads up | 20:33 |
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| AJaeger | and they had their first ever irc meeting | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | agentleweb : heh | 20:34 |
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| flaper87 | Just like in Shovel's case, I wonder if this happened because ppl think being an official project is a requirement for having a project | 20:34 |
| AJaeger | And there was a second patch for project-config - seems the two teams are working together now ;) | 20:34 |
| agentleweb | nice thanks for the reporting AJaeger! | 20:34 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I guess we can move on now, if there's nothing else to add here | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | #topic Adding SaltStack to OpenStack | 20:35 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/269556 | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | ops | 20:35 |
| flaper87 | #topic improve licensing docs | 20:35 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/269823 | 20:35 |
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| flaper87 | agentleweb: and ttx have some comments on it | 20:36 |
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| flaper87 | looks like minor changes required | 20:36 |
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| flaper87 | dhellmann: is that something you can do now? That way we can vote right away. | 20:37 |
| agentleweb | those explanations are super helpful as are the edits, but I'm still not sure what the limiters to redistribution under CLA mean | 20:37 |
| * flaper87 didn't vote as there was going to be a new PS anyway | 20:37 | |
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| agentleweb | so muchas gracias for this! | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | agentleweb : I'm not sure what that question means? | 20:37 |
| agentleweb | dhellmann: I can't get this: "which allows redistribution under ASLv2 (currently limited to MIT and BSD (both forms)" | 20:38 |
| agentleweb | the CLA, it allows redistribution under ASLv2. then what about MIT and BSD forms? | 20:38 |
| jeblair | i actually don't understand that at all | 20:38 |
| jeblair | the cla grants the foundation the rights to distribute code under anything it wants | 20:38 |
| jeblair | the bylaws take away the rights for the foundation to distribute it under anything but asl2 | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | I believe the intent of that section is saying that we think the MIT and BSD licenses are compatible with the redistribution requirements of the CLA | 20:39 |
| agentleweb | I think adding in the actor as "The Foundation" may help... Foundation can redistribute under these three licenses: ASL2, MIT, BSD. | 20:40 |
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| jeblair | i don't think it can | 20:40 |
| agentleweb | jeblair: ah ok | 20:40 |
| dtroyer | I think agentleweb has it flipped | 20:40 |
| agentleweb | so why are MIT and BSD in there at all? | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | The CLA allows ASL2, MIT, BSD, then the Foundation can redistribute under ASL2 | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | is my reading of the intent | 20:41 |
| jeblair | the cla doesn't need to allow anything | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, wording updated | 20:41 |
| agentleweb | ah, flipped, got it. | 20:41 |
| jeblair | the part of the wording that says something should be licensed under a license compatible with the asl2 (which are mit and bsd) is correct. | 20:42 |
| jeblair | i don't know what it means to be supported by the cla | 20:42 |
| lifeless | jeblair: the bylaws only mention the approved release | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : should that part be just "licensed under the CLA..."? | 20:42 |
| lifeless | jeblair: no mention is made about things produced that are not in the approved release | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | oh, right, I think that's why "supported by" is in there | 20:43 |
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| * flaper87 is following but he doesn't have much to add to the wording | 20:43 | |
| lifeless | jeblair: I think this is at best ambiguous | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | this is deep english we're discussing | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:43 |
| agentleweb | heh | 20:43 |
| jeblair | well, it says "licensed under a license supported by the cla" | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | basically, projects have to decide right up front if they want to ever be in the approved release, and be careful to select a license that supports the further constraints | 20:43 |
| jeblair | (our document says that ^) | 20:43 |
| lifeless | jeblair: nevertheless, doug's patch doesn't add BSD and MIT, he is merely trying to fix the prose | 20:43 |
| agentleweb | legal language is the hardest language syntax there is | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | agentleweb: no kidding | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : legal language is not english | 20:44 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i agree that the problem exists in the original text dhellmann is modifying | 20:44 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I agree that there is an issue here, I think its orthogonal to the patch. | 20:44 |
| lifeless | jeblair: ok, cool. | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ah, I'll put that language in hte list of languages I should learn | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | or not | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:44 |
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| jeblair | it does make it hard to evaluate the patch though :| | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | the intent of this patch is to clearify the language, so if we can do that I'm happy to continue making edits right now | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | we still have some mins and this is the last topic | 20:45 |
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| flaper87 | lets keep iterating | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | how about "must use a license supported by"? | 20:45 |
| jeblair | basically, without getting to the root of that, i think all we can hope to do is make it 80% clear :) | 20:45 |
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| agentleweb | I think keep editing, yah. | 20:45 |
| lifeless | so I'm fine with improving the languagge; I think we need to actually revisit the original intent though; IIRC it was a wiki import? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | the point, I think, is that if a project chooses the GPL up front they can never be a part of the approved release because the foundation can't release the code under the ASLv2, right? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | and we were trying to say that more generically? | 20:45 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: unless the authors of the code sign the cla, at which point they can | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | and I guess "never" is too strong, since theoretically they could relicense it | 20:46 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I'm speculating: perhaps since this was about what things could be hosted on git.o.o, perhaps the intent was to say we couldn't host things that the cla didn't permit | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : but can the foundation change the license just because of the CLA? | 20:46 |
| lifeless | jeblair: since everything had to be under the clas | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | lifeless : no, that's not the intent | 20:46 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: i believe so. i believe that if it weren't for the bylaws, the foundation could actually gpl all of openstack. | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | we clearly say later in the document that other licensees are ok | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | the only issue is a project that wants, someday, to be part of the approved release | 20:47 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: later in the document isn't talking about what we produce | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : ok, I am not sure the GPL terms allow that, that's why I ask | 20:47 |
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| jeblair | if that comes as a surprise to anyone who has signed the cla -- well, this is one of the reasons i don't like the cla. | 20:47 |
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| agentleweb | jeblair: the surprise part or the signing part? :) | 20:48 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: they don't need to. the cla literally allows the foundation to distribute code under any terms it wishes. its bylaws constrain it to doing so only under the asl2. | 20:48 |
| russellb | jeblair: yes, i believe you're correct | 20:48 |
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| russellb | CLAs are often used to keep that option open | 20:48 |
| agentleweb | jeblair: that sounds right to me in my limited understanding :) | 20:48 |
| russellb | and technically it's still open if we changed the bylaws | 20:48 |
| lifeless | isn't it still open for anythong outside the approved release ? | 20:48 |
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| jeblair | dhellmann: (considering the apache license basically lets you do that anyway, why we need the cla in that case is still a throw-hands-up-in-the-air puzzle :) | 20:49 |
| russellb | yep | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | lol | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : yes, I agree | 20:50 |
| mordred | crinkle: I believe/agree that we should store/present that too if we make a thing | 20:50 |
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| flaper87 | lol | 20:50 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i think your latest clarification makes things as clear as possible | 20:50 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:50 |
| jeblair | and the next step after that is to see if we can clarify what "supported by the cla" is intending | 20:51 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'll re set my vote | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | we can either take this patch, or continue refining it, either is fine with me | 20:52 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I'm in "buffered lines sent after landing from airplane" meeting | 20:52 |
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| lifeless | lgtm | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | if folks here can do the same, it'd be cool. That way ttx can approve it when he's back | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | mordred : welcome to your future | 20:52 |
| * mordred marvels at the wonder | 20:52 | |
| dhellmann | mordred : what an age to be alive | 20:53 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: that clarifies along my understanding, thanks | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | ok, we need to move on now | 20:53 |
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| agentleweb | dhellmann: I think keep refining it | 20:53 |
| agentleweb | we can move on, sorry flaper87 | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | agentleweb : wfm | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | #topic Comms WG update | 20:53 |
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| flaper87 | so, a post went out last week | 20:54 |
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| flaper87 | and one explaining the changes w.r.t linux images and OpenStack is on the works | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | I'm hoping to get it done this week and I'll need reviews from folks | 20:54 |
| agentleweb | I have a TC blog post, it was done Friday! But, uh, I need someone to push a button and can't get in touch with Allison at the Foundation... | 20:54 |
| agentleweb | anyone else have push-button rights to the blog? | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | This turned out to be a crazy week for me so, I really hope I'll get it done | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | agentleweb : they're at their off-site this week, ttx may be able to reach them | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | agentleweb: ah, thought it went out | 20:55 |
| agentleweb | ok | 20:55 |
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| agentleweb | flaper87: yeah, sadly, not quite | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | ok, it's done! That's good | 20:55 |
| agentleweb | yeah! | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | I don't think we need one for this meeting, though | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | We might need one next week | 20:56 |
| agentleweb | yeah | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | ok, I don't have anything else on this topic | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | agentleweb: yuo? | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | you,even? | 20:56 |
| agentleweb | any other comms- channels we should be paying attention to? | 20:56 |
| agentleweb | yo, yes! | 20:56 |
| agentleweb | :) | 20:56 |
| agentleweb | I think we're good | 20:56 |
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| flaper87 | coolio! | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 20:57 |
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| flaper87 | we've 3 mins left | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | hope this meeting was good enough :D | 20:57 |
| * flaper87 admires ttx | 20:57 | |
| dhellmann | thanks for stepping in, flaper87 | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | my pleasure | 20:57 |
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| agentleweb | thanks flaper87 | 20:57 |
| * agentleweb hopes the summit proposals are coming in strong | 20:58 | |
| jeblair | flaper87: nicely done! | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | real quick, I'll write something for the project team guide re-stabilizatoin cycles | 20:58 |
| * flaper87 bows | 20:58 | |
| edleafe | flaper87: nice job! | 20:58 |
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| flaper87 | I don't think many folks liked the idea but I still think we should document it | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | agentleweb : me, too, is there some way to see the proposals, yet? | 20:58 |
| agentleweb | dhellmann: not yet that I know of | 20:58 |
| jeblair | in infra-land, folks are coordinating on proposals but have not submitted them yet | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | other than that, I think we won't know whether they are really good/bad until someone gives them a try | 20:59 |
| jeblair | that way, we get the right co-presenters on early, so we don't have 50 people proposing 'intro to infra' | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | ok, we're out of time | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : ++ | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | have a good one and tty all next week | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 21:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-01-26-20.03.html | 21:00 |
| lifeless | ciao | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-01-26-20.03.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-01-26-20.03.log.html | 21:00 |
| jeblair | tty all indeed | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair : you should get a tshirt made with that | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | or maybe a lapel pin :-) | 21:00 |
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