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| xinwu | I’m running RHOSP beta4 bits to install undercloud, and running into the same problem as https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/2015-October/msg00077.html. Is there any workaround or followup discussion about it? | 02:28 |
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| skraynev | #startmeeting heat | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 07:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:00 |
| skraynev | #topic rollcall | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:00 | |
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| shardy | o/ | 07:01 |
| ramishra_ | hi | 07:01 |
| tiantian | o/ | 07:01 |
| elynn_ | o/ | 07:01 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 07:01 |
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| skraynev | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:02 |
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| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-01-20_0700_UTC.29 | 07:02 |
| ricolin | o/ | 07:03 |
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| skraynev | Looks like nothing else :) | 07:03 |
| skraynev | #topic Status of actions from previous meeting | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status of actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:04 | |
| skraynev | hardy, stevebaker, zaneb, skraynev prepare stable/liberty | 07:05 |
| skraynev | branch for new release to next week (merge remaining patches) | 07:05 |
| skraynev | it was done | 07:05 |
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| skraynev | there is patch on reviewhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/269856/ | 07:05 |
| skraynev | hm... I need to fix some error... | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | huh, me too | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269966/ | 07:06 |
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| stevebaker | ah, send-announcements-to is needed | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | we need to decide whether to do -announce or -dev | 07:07 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: yes. I see, but I don't know what does it mean | 07:07 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: its a new entry in the file for what list to send the anounce email too, let me find an example | 07:08 |
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| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266448/1/deliverables/kilo/heat.yaml | 07:09 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: wow. I have missed this new thing | 07:10 |
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| skraynev | I think, that openstack-announce will be better | 07:10 |
| stevebaker | agreed | 07:11 |
| skraynev | I remember some mail about splitting mails from -dev and -announce | 07:11 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: I suppose, that we may add this line in the same patches | 07:11 |
| stevebaker | yeah same patch | 07:11 |
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| skraynev | so Need to update them ;) | 07:11 |
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| skraynev | skraynev upload patch to release repo for new stable/liberty | 07:12 |
| skraynev | release on the next week | 07:12 |
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| skraynev | done. just need to fix issue mentioned above | 07:12 |
| skraynev | : merge backports patches in stable/liberty for | 07:12 |
| skraynev | python-heatclient and then propose new 0.8.x release for stable | 07:12 |
| skraynev | as I see it's Done too | 07:12 |
| stevebaker | its good to go https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269966/ | 07:13 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: zaneb: thank you for the help with it ;) | 07:13 |
| skraynev | prepare and do 0.9.0 release for python-heatclient with stub | 07:13 |
| skraynev | in setup.cfg for osc commands | 07:13 |
| skraynev | this one is not ready yet | 07:14 |
| skraynev | I probabbly will do it tomorrow with two patches where we skip and unskip osc extension | 07:14 |
| skraynev | note, that heatclient looks ready for it | 07:14 |
| skraynev | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-heatclient+status:open+-topic:bp/heat-support-python-openstackclient | 07:15 |
| skraynev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-heatclient+status:open+-topic:bp/heat-support-python-openstackclient | 07:15 |
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| skraynev | m-2 is ready too. https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 07:16 |
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| skraynev | I will upload patch to release repo after meeting and will post it to #heat | 07:16 |
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| skraynev | 8 BPs and 42 fixed bugs look awesome! | 07:16 |
| stevebaker | ok | 07:16 |
| skraynev | thank you all :) | 07:16 |
| skraynev | "sent mail about making convergence by default after m-2" | 07:17 |
| skraynev | anant was done it. thank you | 07:17 |
| skraynev | So please core-reviewers please focus on patches mentioned in this ^ mail | 07:18 |
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| skraynev | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084379.html | 07:18 |
| skraynev | There are two patches which unskip two tests | 07:18 |
| ananta | skraynev: wc | 07:18 |
| ananta | few other patches are important as well given in mail :) | 07:19 |
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| skraynev | ananta: I understand, but enabling some tests more visible ;) | 07:20 |
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| ananta | skraynev: sure. there are some bugs in undecided, we should go through them | 07:20 |
| ananta | convergence bugs at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscrib | 07:21 |
| ananta | oops, thats pretty big url :) | 07:22 |
| skraynev | ananta: kk. I hope, that we will solve most part to first part of Feb and enable "convergence" | 07:22 |
| ananta | skraynev: yes, most are in progress, so it looks good for feb beginning | 07:23 |
| skraynev | ananta: hm. could you also send a mail with list of these launchpad bugs. I want to make sure, that they all have correct status and target milestone m3 | 07:24 |
| ananta | skraynev: ok, I will send | 07:24 |
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| skraynev | ananta: in the same mail thread, I think | 07:24 |
| skraynev | ananta: thx | 07:24 |
| skraynev | #topic Mitaka User survey mail | 07:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka User survey mail (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:25 | |
| skraynev | I have sent a mail with mentioned questions. So if somebody has a special important question, please ping me during today (I think, that I still may add your question :)) | 07:26 |
| skraynev | #topic Cross projects specs Liaison | 07:27 |
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| skraynev | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/cross-project.html#cross-project-specification-liaisons | 07:27 |
| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Cross-Project_Spec_Liaisons | 07:27 |
| skraynev | do we have a volunteer for this work ? | 07:28 |
| skraynev | it's mostly related with big changes, which affect all projects | 07:28 |
| stevebaker | I'm terrible at watching the cross-project repo ;) | 07:28 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: honestly me too. | 07:29 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: it looks like a lot of reading/discussions :) | 07:29 |
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| Khayam | Hi | 07:30 |
| Khayam | anybody from tricircle | 07:30 |
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| skraynev | If we have not special person for this work, I will do it, but probably try to involve more people for some specific technical questions :) | 07:31 |
| stevebaker | sure, that sounds totally reasonable, and I can attend the x-project meeting when required | 07:32 |
| skraynev | Khayam: hi. I am not sure, that we have someone from tricircle in Heat team | 07:32 |
| ricolin | skraynev: I can assist you with that. :) | 07:32 |
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| skraynev | ricolin: sold!!! | 07:32 |
| shardy | Yeah it probably requires everybody to more actively review openstack-specs, atm the review velocity is extremely low, e.g therve has an event spec which has been posted for 4 months now, with not very much feedback | 07:33 |
| Khayam | thanks ricolin | 07:33 |
| Khayam | trying to understand cross pod L2 networking. | 07:33 |
| shardy | Khayam: this is the heat meeting, can you find a more appropriate channel please? | 07:33 |
| Khayam | Any specific place from where i can get a bigger picture of this networking | 07:33 |
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| skraynev | ricolin: I will update info in liaisons table | 07:34 |
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| skraynev | ricolin and notify guys from foundation. | 07:35 |
| skraynev | if you need any help please ask me | 07:35 |
| ricolin | skraynev: Okey, will try to grep more part ofit | 07:35 |
| skraynev | and don't hesitate to add on review people from Heat | 07:36 |
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| skraynev | in case of really important or complex changes we may discuss it on the weekly meeting (ping me and I will add it in agenda) | 07:36 |
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| skraynev | #topic Open discussion | 07:37 |
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| ricolin | Backlog in specs | 07:37 |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260320/ | 07:37 |
| elynn_ | And RBAC spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254037/, needs review and approval :) | 07:38 |
| ricolin | We have decided to have a backlog space for specs | 07:39 |
| shardy | While we're talking specs there's still the capabilities one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196656/ | 07:39 |
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| skraynev | ricolin: oh. yes. I have not finished it. I still need to think about better approach in case of using one backlog directory. | 07:39 |
| shardy | I'm unsure whether to invest the time in writing code for that because folks haven't provided feedback or approval, despite the generally positive summit session | 07:39 |
| skraynev | ricolin: I will try to think about it | 07:39 |
| ricolin | skraynev: Have we send mail for this yet? | 07:40 |
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| ramishra_ | shardy, skraynev: Is there any issue in approving a spec where no one has any objection and has multiple +2s? | 07:41 |
| ricolin | and another specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237450/ | 07:41 |
| skraynev | shardy: I remember about it :( unfortunately I have not time to take a look on it and two other BPs (http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/specs/mitaka/multi-environments.html and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256872/) | 07:41 |
| therve | shardy, I'm about to abandon the spec to be honest | 07:42 |
| skraynev | ramishra_: there is only one for me - time to read :) | 07:42 |
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| shardy | ramishra_: I think it's OK to approve provided there's clear consensus, e.g I normally try to wait for more than 2 +2's unless it's a very simple spec | 07:44 |
| shardy | IMHO it doesn't have to be the PTL who approves everything, we just have to reduce the risk that stuff lands, then is later rejected during code review | 07:44 |
| skraynev | ramishra_, shardy: also could you please target these specs on m3 ? I am trying to periodically review BPs with next milestone target | 07:44 |
| shardy | therve: that's sad :( | 07:44 |
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| stevebaker | therve: which spec? | 07:45 |
| therve | stevebaker, https://review.openstack.org/231382 | 07:45 |
| shardy | skraynev: the multi-environments one is already landed and most of the implementation is done | 07:45 |
| skraynev | ramishra_: I agree with shardy, if you have a strong feeling, that it should be and it has two +2 just merge | 07:45 |
| shardy | we just have to figure out the backwards compatibility aspect, as discussed on openstack-dev | 07:45 |
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| skraynev | I will read spec later in documentation | 07:46 |
| stevebaker | therve: you could always go with the lazy concensus approach and just implement something that meets heat's needs and *should* meet everyone elses - then you're advocating for a real thing. Thats how most things get used across openstack ;) | 07:46 |
| skraynev | shardy: yes. I know, but I did not read it ;) so can not start review without understanding final aim | 07:47 |
| therve | stevebaker, Well, that's already what happened :) | 07:47 |
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| shardy | skraynev: you mean change mitaka-2 to mitaka-3 in the spec under review? | 07:47 |
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| shardy | I can do that, but obviously changing that 1 line loses the 2 existing +2's | 07:47 |
| skraynev | shardy: no, I told about BPs on launchpad | 07:48 |
| shardy | skraynev: OK, I haven't created that yet, because the spec hasn't landed | 07:49 |
| shardy | I can create it tho | 07:49 |
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| skraynev | shardy: Honestly it's easier to see BPs to launchpad and focus on them | 07:49 |
| shardy | Really I just want to know if it's worth investing at least a week writing the code before I run out of time for Mitaka | 07:49 |
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| shardy | anyway, feedback welcome ;) | 07:49 |
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| skraynev | shardy: it's not mandatory, but it's more useful for me, when I track whole milestone progress | 07:50 |
| skraynev | shardy: I will try to look on it during this week. Also fell free to ping somebody else :) | 07:51 |
| ramishra_ | when we are on the specs topic , any thoughts on using the 'spec-lite' tags with bugs for simple specs like other projects? | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | ramishra_: that would be a good idea I for small features | 07:52 |
| shardy | +1 | 07:52 |
| shardy | we already kind-of do that with blueprints that don't have a spec, when it's a simple feature | 07:53 |
| shardy | but a tagged bug also works | 07:53 |
| stevebaker | ramishra_: so we just create a feature bug and tag it with spec-lite? | 07:53 |
| ramishra_ | stevebaker: yes | 07:53 |
| skraynev | ramishra_: sounds good for me | 07:54 |
| stevebaker | a bug might be noticed more than a specless blueprint | 07:54 |
| ramishra_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/contributing/blueprints.html#glance-spec-lite | 07:54 |
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| skraynev | 2 minutes | 07:58 |
| skraynev | ramishra_: I think,that will be better to send a mail with this info | 07:59 |
| skraynev | ramishra_: it allows to notify more people about this approach | 07:59 |
| skraynev | if it needs, let's continue in #heat | 08:00 |
| skraynev | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 08:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-01-20-07.00.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-01-20-07.00.txt | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-01-20-07.00.log.html | 08:00 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 09:30:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:30 |
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| BobBall | Ping johnthetubaguy | 09:30 |
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| BobBall | Morning! | 09:36 |
| BobBall | Will be a quick meeting today as our Nanjing office has no network connection | 09:36 |
| BobBall | There's a new patch up for the VIF plug/unplug issues | 09:37 |
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| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254022/ | 09:37 |
| BobBall | A re-review would be great. | 09:37 |
| BobBall | Since it was close last time I'm hoping it'd be a quick one :) | 09:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | eek, no network | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it should be | 09:38 |
| BobBall | The other one that'd be really good if you could review would be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269536/ which is the trivial fix to rotate_xen_guest_logs we talked about yesterday. A couple of people have highlighted the race shown by the CI | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats wasn't on the ready for core list when I looked at that? | 09:38 |
| BobBall | Ah - sorry - I keep forgetting to update that one (tbh, after last time I was routinely updating it, it didn't seem to impact when reviews happened) | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, it doesn't impact much when cores are not very active, its a problem | 09:39 |
| BobBall | I'll add it to the list in about 10 minutes :) | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a feeling we are missing a test for the exception being raised, but will look more at that later | 09:40 |
| BobBall | Anyway - it's just those two that we really want approved as soon as | 09:40 |
| BobBall | hmmm yes - quite possibly - I didn't notice that | 09:40 |
| BobBall | Anything you want to raise XenAPI-wise? | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | unit tests for plugins I guess | 09:41 |
| BobBall | Yeah - where was the prototype code you had? | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure now, I think I replied to the ML with a link | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | let me check quickly | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128886 and https://github.com/JohnGarbutt/nova/commit/bf834032c13f64de9c634e587b14f32b1590789b | 09:42 |
| BobBall | ta | 09:43 |
| BobBall | We'll take a look and see what can be done | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | its running 2.4 code as 2.7, but thats better than not running it at all | 09:43 |
| BobBall | Absolutely | 09:43 |
| BobBall | unit tests are mostly for logic things anyway not language syntax testing :) | 09:43 |
| BobBall | I do worry about what will happen in the py3 tests though | 09:44 |
| BobBall | since I don't think 2.4 has all of the six compatability stuff | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, they totally need skipping for that | 09:44 |
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| BobBall | Anyway - We'll take a look when we get a chance | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Anything else? | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing major for me | 09:45 |
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| BobBall | Awesome - we'll close there then | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Thanks johnthetubaguy | 09:45 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 09:45 |
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| rluethi | #startmeeting training_labs | 10:36 |
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| Khayam | is tricircle meeting started? | 12:44 |
| Yipei | not yet | 12:45 |
| Yipei | it starts 15 minutes later | 12:45 |
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| Yipei | Hi, Khayam | 12:47 |
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| Khayam | hi | 12:50 |
| Yipei | When do you join tricircle? | 12:52 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
| Yipei | Hi Joe | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hi Yipei | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:04 |
| joehuang | #info Yipei | 13:04 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:04 |
| joehuang | Hi Yipei, How things going | 13:04 |
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| Yipei | I feel better this week | 13:05 |
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| Yipei | I read the data model part and have some questions | 13:06 |
| joehuang | pls | 13:06 |
| Yipei | in the data model, some data types of fields are not defined, e.g., updated_at, why? | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | inherited from timestamp class | 13:07 |
| Yipei | oh, i got it | 13:07 |
| joehuang | models.TimestampMixin | 13:08 |
| Yipei | I also read the source code of the API gateway | 13:08 |
| Yipei | I found that the tricircle.tricircle.api, tricircle.tricircle.nova_apigw and tricircle.tricircle.cinder_apigw share a similar architecture, which contains controllers and app.py. | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | yes, they are all web service | 13:10 |
| Yipei | The architecture of api gateway looks similar to the facade pattern. A controller defines and encapsulates a series of methods of a module of OpenStack, for instance, nova, cinder and so on. Using these methods provided by controllers, the api gateway can manipulate Tricircle to implement various functionalities. Is that correct? | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | we use pecan for the framework | 13:11 |
| Yipei | yes i saw it | 13:11 |
| joehuang | you can refer to this doc: https://pecan.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 13:12 |
| Yipei | OK, I will read it next week | 13:13 |
| joehuang | the controller is to process different URI resource | 13:13 |
| joehuang | #topic progress of phase 2 | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | let's look at the todo list | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | Zhiyuan, your progress? | 13:14 |
| joehuang | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo | 13:14 |
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| Yipei | I still have some questions | 13:18 |
| joehuang | ok. pls | 13:18 |
| Yipei | I know the concepts "volume", "image" and "flavor" in openstack, what is "pod"? it doesn't seem to be a concept in openstack | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | #info pod is one OpenStack managed by Tricircle | 13:19 |
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| Yipei | oh i got it | 13:20 |
| joehuang | #info pod is only visible to admin, not visible for tenant | 13:20 |
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| Yipei | i see | 13:20 |
| Yipei | I read the source code of RPC Worker XJob, but I cannot understand. Could you please introduce it briefly for me? | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | #info Xjob is for some async. task which is not good to be finished synchronously in API gateway or Neutron Plugin | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | #info if this task finished in api-gw or plugin, user experience will be affected for it's time consuming task | 13:24 |
| Yipei | i see | 13:24 |
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| Yipei | no questions now | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | #info currently the L3 networking will use Xjob to do the extra routing adding job | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | which is now in Zhiyuan's E-W patch 2 | 13:25 |
| patchbot | joehuang: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/2/ | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | welcome back zhiyuan | 13:26 |
| Yipei | hi zhiyuan | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | zhiyuan, your progess shortly | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan | hi yipei, network in my home temporally down | 13:27 |
| joehuang | understand | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan | ok, the second patch for cross-pod l3 networking was submitted | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | I just reviewed the README.md, more review tomorrow | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | so east-west l3 networking functionality is done, README is also updated to introduce how to deploy by DevStack | 13:29 |
| joehuang | great job. and Yipei can try to play two nodes deployment from the patch to see if it work | 13:30 |
| Yipei | OK | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | for quota part, I am working on it | 13:31 |
| joehuang | and porting most of the quota from the Cinder | 13:32 |
| joehuang | for cinder has implemented the hierarchy multi-tenecy | 13:32 |
| joehuang | hierarchy multi-tenency quota management | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | hopefully the first patch will be ready for review this week | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | zhiyuan, please go on the networking N-S part, so that we can have basic functionality ASAP | 13:35 |
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| zhiyuan | no problem, will starting coding tomorrow | 13:35 |
| joehuang | ok. more topics? | 13:36 |
| Yipei | next week, I plan to play two nodes deployment from the patch to see if it work. Further, I plan to read the source code of "RPC Worker XJob", " Tricircle Neutron Plugin" and " Implement Nova API Gateway Controller" in the blueprint. Is the plan OK? | 13:36 |
| joehuang | Yipei, if you have any question, you can send it in the openstack-dev maillist | 13:36 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:36 |
| joehuang | with the [tricircle] in the mail title | 13:36 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:37 |
| joehuang | great | 13:37 |
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| Yipei | Hope to catch up with you guys' progress ASAP. | 13:37 |
| joehuang | #action Yipei, play two nodes deployment from the patch to see if it work. Further, I plan to read the source code of "RPC Worker XJob", " Tricircle Neutron Plugin" and " Implement Nova API Gateway Controller" in the blueprint. | 13:37 |
| joehuang | You'll, sure | 13:37 |
| joehuang | :) | 13:37 |
| Yipei | thx | 13:38 |
| joehuang | ok thanks for attending the meeting, see you next week | 13:38 |
| Yipei | see u | 13:38 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 13:38:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-01-20-13.03.html | 13:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-01-20-13.03.txt | 13:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-01-20-13.03.log.html | 13:38 |
| zhiyuan | good night | 13:38 |
| joehuang | good night | 13:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 14:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hello | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone here for the US doc team meeting? | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | roll call for docs meeting? | 14:03 |
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| * annegentle waves | 14:04 | |
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| annegentle | waiting for coffee to brew | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | hi annegentle looks like it's just you and I | 14:05 |
| annegentle | yippee! | 14:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yay irc failure | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | there's Sam-I-Am | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hi Sam-I-Am | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | had to find a server that worked | 14:07 |
| annegentle | happy new year all | 14:07 |
| annegentle | hoo boy yeah | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | happy new year! | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | 1 of about 8 | 14:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | good ol fleanode | 14:07 |
| elmiko | o/ | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hi elmiko | 14:07 |
| elmiko | hi | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok looks like we have a few people here now | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | let's go ahead and get started | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Action items from the last meeting - none to report | 14:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:08 | |
| ShillaSaebi_ | again none in flight | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | so not much to report on that | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #topic Speciality teams | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:09 | |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone in this meeting from HA Guides? | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261617/ | 14:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | here is an open review i found | 14:11 |
| annegentle | I think they were looking for a meeting time as well | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | cool | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Install Guides - BAU - Nothing special to mention this week from my end | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone have anything to add for the install guides? | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not much. trying to get aodh pushed into it. | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | no one was around for last night's meeting | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | christian has done some fixup patches | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | nice ok | 14:14 |
| dguitarbite | Hello | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | hi dguitarbite and welcome | 14:14 |
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| dguitarbite | thanks, good to be back :) | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Networking Guide - no update from my end | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Sam-I-Am is it still low activity and low progress? | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | activity is picking up a bit | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | that's great | 14:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm working on updates for liberty and mitaka, at least for the scenarios | 14:15 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: and is the networking guide now a "released" guide? | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | need to backport a bunch of stuff, but had some people -1 a backport... so thats causing problems | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, its versioned now | 14:16 |
| annegentle | ah there you go | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | once the scenarios are done, i'm going to work on some of the intro content (which i never seem to get to) | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | cool | 14:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | alright anything else on Networking Guide? | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | need more time, and more bodies :) | 14:19 |
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| dguitarbite | Sam-I-Am: I know a someone who knows someone working in a morgue | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 14:20 |
| dguitarbite | ;) | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | as long as they can write, i'm good | 14:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | lol | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | nice | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info User Guides - After a specification update, there is a need to provide a more comprehensive scope: a list of Core features within scope, and include research on the nova-network/ neutron migration study. Contact from Zaqar, Trove, and Murano Liaisons on Admin guide tasks has been helpful, and given the reorganization direction. A patch on fernet tokens (FAQ format) merged into the Cloud Admin Guide. | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | that update may be a little stale | 14:21 |
| annegentle | yeah but an update's an upate | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | heh | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone here from User Guides that has anything more to add? | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok lets move to the next specialty team | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch guide RST migration is complete. We had a 2 day virtual sprint in December to reorganize the arch guide and we're currently still working on updates to the arch guide | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | we have our meeting tomorrow after a while so we should have some more updates then | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | let me or Darren Chan know if you're interested in helping | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | so glad that's in RST now | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | yes I agree | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | ok next specialty team | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info API docs - Cross project meeting was held to discuss the current state of the API docs, tooling, and the vision for application developer guides. #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2016/crossproject.2016-01-12-21.02.log.html | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | Also latest updates on the mailing lists | 14:28 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083927.html | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | cool thanks annegentle | 14:28 |
| annegentle | this week I'm getting builds working, and contacting API WG liaisons | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | awesome | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Config Ref - The tools are ready, the Liberty branch is set up, the RST migration should still be in progress! Pick your file, run the tools, and we can review. | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone have anything to add on Config Ref | 14:32 |
| bogdando | ShillaSaebi_, Hello. I'm from HA guides here. Sorry for a late reply | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | hi bogdando | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | welcome | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | did you see our update above? | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | about the HA guides? | 14:35 |
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| bogdando | yes | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | if you have anything to add, please let us know | 14:35 |
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| bogdando | okay, thanks | 14:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | #info OpenStack Training Labs - Training-labs has the Kilo patch merged. | 14:38 |
| dguitarbite | Liberty patch is almost done. The review is current in progress: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252297/ | 14:38 |
| dguitarbite | KVM support is added and should be stable. We plan to start pushing this in the CI for testing install guides soon. | 14:38 |
| dguitarbite | I have a question to the Docs team. I need to create a landing page for training-labs under docs.openstack.org. How do I proceed? | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dguitarbite: andreas can probably help | 14:41 |
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| dguitarbite | Sam-I-Am: Ok, Ill talk to him. | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | dguitarbite: it's all in the www dir in openstack-manuals | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | dguitarbite: but yes, ask in #openstack-doc | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | or just submit a patch :) | 14:43 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: Can I just push a patch? | 14:43 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: probably? It's "yet another thing to maintain" so I'll ask why of course :) | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | why why why? | 14:43 |
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| annegentle | dguitarbite: you have a whole header on docs dot and an extra link in the three boxes at the top for training, I'd suggest getting more visibility on those | 14:44 |
| dguitarbite | 1. Hosting tar balls for 2 supported releases and 1 EOL release. Same for ZIP files for windows. 2. Some information on how to install with a redirect to the wiki or relevant page | 14:44 |
| annegentle | put that in your commit message | 14:45 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: Yes, I will also add the links there. Should help with getting more visibility. | 14:45 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: Ok, Ill send a patch soon :D | 14:45 |
| annegentle | sounds good | 14:45 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | awesome | 14:45 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info OpenStack Training Guides - Last update was that there is interest in translating the Upstream training | 14:46 |
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| annegentle | One other bit of info is that there's an upstream day at the Summit, with recordings for talks on deep dives on upstream contribution tips and tricks | 14:48 |
| annegentle | like debugging the gate, power review tricks | 14:48 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: Can I also get an hour or so for training labs hands on session in the upstream day? | 14:49 |
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| dguitarbite | may be I'm confusing this with upstream training. | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | ? | 14:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | ok do you guys want to take this offline maybe | 14:55 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | we're running low on time | 14:55 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info Hyperviser Tuning Guide - On schedule - working on changing bullet-point notes into rough draft section | 14:55 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: you have to submit a proposal | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | dguitarbite: I was just looking for the info, can't find it. | 14:56 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite: look for it in the summit pages | 14:56 |
| dguitarbite | Yes, we plan to submit proposals esp. for workshop/hands on. Thanks. | 14:56 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | cool | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi_: one thing before we part... what happened to the idea of moving this meeting out at least an hour to get people in the western half of the us? | 14:56 |
| annegentle | that would be nice esp. this time of year | 14:56 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | Sam-I-Am I am good with that idea | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | if someone wants to volunteer to run with it | 14:57 |
| dguitarbite | Fine by me. | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can post it to the list | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | that would be a great start | 14:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | its 7am here, which is rough... 6 am for california | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | adn we can go from there | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | it's hard for me too, I usually get to the office at 9:40 | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | alright cool so I'll hope to see something on that soon and maybe get this switched up | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | alright and last but not least | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #spotlight bugs rewards | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | sorry | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #info spotlight bugs rewards | 14:58 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | this is still a work in progress, look for updates from Lana soon | 14:58 |
| gmolson | I also support the idea of a later meeting time! | 14:58 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | yay | 14:59 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | cool anything else anyone | 14:59 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | sorry we're kind of out of time | 14:59 |
| annegentle | that's all! | 14:59 |
| annegentle | thank you ShillaSaebi_ | 14:59 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | heh thank you all for joining | 14:59 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | see you all soon! | 14:59 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 14:59:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-01-20-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-01-20-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-01-20-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| elmiko | thanks ShillaSaebi_ | 15:00 |
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| Zara | anybody about for the storyboard meeting? | 15:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #startmeeting Storyboard | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 15:03:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:03 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| Zara | any announcements? | 15:04 |
| SotK | emails are almost-working | 15:04 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:04 |
| Zara | yeah, it looks like puppet-storyboard just needs a different sender address? | 15:04 |
| SotK | hopefully they'll be properly working by the end of today | 15:04 |
| SotK | yeah, seems that way | 15:04 |
| Zara | great | 15:04 |
| Zara | gah, they've been effectively working since Friday night... just not for OpenStack! | 15:05 |
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| Zara | oh well, I gather the baserock folks have been enjoying them | 15:05 |
| Zara | anything else? | 15:05 |
| Zara | (I forgot to update the agenda again, sorry) | 15:05 |
| SotK | _o_ | 15:05 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:06 |
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| Zara | well, I was going to use this space to beg for help with emails | 15:06 |
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| Zara | but the glorious fungi is helping us now | 15:06 |
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| Zara | so thanks, fungi :) | 15:06 |
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| Zara | we have some things in review, but nothing urgent yet, so moving on... | 15:07 |
| Zara | #topic In Progress Work | 15:07 |
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| Zara | hah, because I haven't updated the agenda, it's actually back-to-front | 15:07 |
| Zara | SotK has been looking at emails this week | 15:07 |
| Zara | do you have anything to add on top of what we just mentioned in #announcements? | 15:08 |
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| SotK | yeah, I was trying to see if I could replicate the "no emails" problems, I failed | 15:08 |
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| fungi | you're welcome Zara! | 15:08 |
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| Zara | :) we were panicking a bit so it was a big help , thanks again. | 15:09 |
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| Zara | #info SotK has been investigating emails, they should hopefully be ready by the end of today! | 15:10 |
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| Zara | So, I've been looking at worklists and boards | 15:10 |
| Zara | mainly small UI fixes so far | 15:10 |
| betherly | sorry im late! | 15:11 |
| Zara | no problem! we also started late... :) | 15:11 |
| Zara | patches in review for those: | 15:11 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269707/ | 15:11 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269656/ | 15:12 |
| Zara | the second... I'm not keen on how it looks | 15:12 |
| Zara | think it's a bit confusing | 15:12 |
| Zara | the first one is okay by me for a first draft, though I'd like to eventually replace names with avatars (and just have names on hover) | 15:12 |
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| Zara | so yeah, take a look, I guess. I've managed to procrastinate from doing all the hard stuff this week | 15:13 |
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| Zara | #info Zara has been looking at small UI fixes for worklists and boards | 15:13 |
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| Zara | Other things... | 15:13 |
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| Zara | I believe pedroalvarez is looking at the gerrit plugin. it's not mentioned on the agenda, but worth noting | 15:14 |
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| Zara | #info pedroalvarez has been investigating work remaining for gerrit plugin | 15:14 |
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| Zara | for background, I believe we want task statuses to update in line with patches in gerrit. | 15:15 |
| Zara | I think the plugin allows comments from gerrit to be posted on stories, but task-updating was never completed | 15:15 |
| Zara | so that's going on in the background :) | 15:15 |
| * SotK is looking forward to that | 15:16 | |
| Zara | yup | 15:16 |
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| Zara | anyone have anything to add about in-progress work? I think the rest of what I have in mind is future-plans stuff | 15:17 |
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| * Zara will assume not! | 15:18 | |
| SotK | I'm starting to look at speeding up boards/worklists too | 15:18 |
| Zara | oh haha I spoke too soon | 15:19 |
| Zara | luckily I had not changed the topic | 15:19 |
| Zara | I gather that is great fun for you | 15:19 |
| pedroalvarez | regarding gerrit plugin, I don't think I will have time to implement new features | 15:19 |
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| Zara | that's fine; just knowing what work remains is useful | 15:20 |
| Zara | I guess my 'investigating' was a bit vague... | 15:20 |
| pedroalvarez | I'd love to see that running tbh :) | 15:20 |
| pedroalvarez | so I might be interested on spending some time on it | 15:21 |
| Zara | hahaha | 15:21 |
| Zara | I won't stop you :P | 15:21 |
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| Zara | anything else? | 15:23 |
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| Zara | okay, moving on! | 15:23 |
| Zara | no discussion topics | 15:23 |
| Zara | so... | 15:23 |
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| Zara | #Open Discussion | 15:23 |
| Zara | or even... | 15:24 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:24 |
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| Zara | anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 15:24 |
| * SotK doesn't have anything springing to mind | 15:24 | |
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| Zara | I have a few thoughts, not sure how well-formed they are. This is why you should *use* agendas, folks... | 15:25 |
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| Zara | in no particular order: requirements are still hard to come by. I think we're best organising them into: bug tracker reqs, task tracker reqs (developers), task tracker reqs (managers) | 15:26 |
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| Zara | any gaping holes in that list? | 15:26 |
| SotK | I don't know of any | 15:27 |
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| Zara | one aim is to work out when something is neither the function of a bug or task tracker, to work out if it belongs in storyboard, or if not, how it should relate to storyboard if people demand it. | 15:28 |
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| Zara | I think some people also visualise storyboard as a bit of a review tool, which complicates things. | 15:29 |
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| Zara | eg: we've had demand for image-uploading, which makes sense for bug reports, but also image-manipulation so that UX folks can review mocks-- that seems to me like the function of a review tool. if we want a mock review tool, might work better as a plugin. | 15:30 |
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| Zara | there's already a fair bit of tension between functioning as a bug-tracker and task-tracker, even if it's not obvious on the surface | 15:31 |
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| Zara | tl;dr: storyboard needs healthy boundaries :P | 15:32 |
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| Zara | this is relevant to me because I'm trying to get an idea of what to focus on in the next development cycle. based on how we've done so far, I'd guess we can do 1.5 big new features per cycle (since Krotscheck had already done much of the emails work, but then we're also more familiar with the codebase) | 15:34 |
| Zara | *big new features to a good standard | 15:34 |
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| Zara | since I assume we'll be spending the rest of this cycle refining boards/worklists and emails. | 15:34 |
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| Zara | I'm in favour of some sort of image support, but I want the boundaries to be clear before we write a spec for it. | 15:36 |
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| SotK | yeah, defining some requirements would be sensible | 15:36 |
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| Zara | yup, and working out whose requirements storyboard is here to serve, and whose it isn't | 15:37 |
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| Zara | (or to put it differently, what goals storyboard's there to help people reach, and what goals they should use a different tool for) | 15:38 |
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| Zara | this way I'll know when we're doing something well, when we should maybe look at running a spinoff project, etc. | 15:39 |
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| Zara | so that's the end of that back-of-the-mind ramble | 15:39 |
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| Zara | it seems like I'm jumping all over the place today, but I'm just trying to work out what to focus on when, so that we don't have to do that most of the time | 15:41 |
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| Zara | vague map in my head is fix email config, then boards+worklists fixes while waiting for email feedback, then back to emails | 15:42 |
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| Zara | if we run out of things to do I'm sure we'll find more... ;P | 15:43 |
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| SotK | sounds sensible | 15:43 |
| SotK | maybe throw some tag improvements in there too :P | 15:43 |
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| Zara | hah, ah, that was it, improving search | 15:43 |
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| Zara | btw I see task-metadata as part of boards/worklists fixes | 15:44 |
| Zara | that's a separate thing but just noting it | 15:44 |
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| Zara | that's relatively concrete step that I want us to focus on in the next couple of weeks | 15:44 |
| Zara | tags need to be indexed by search, beyond that I'm happy to wait to improve tags 'til the next cycle | 15:45 |
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| Zara | we're still talking about search but it's all a bit up in the air, so we'll want to fix that... buuut I think boards and worklists come first | 15:46 |
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| Zara | this is just me dumping all the things in my head into this channel, so sorry :P | 15:48 |
| Zara | (we have a big spec for notifications, but I think after we get emails sorted, it's not actually the most pressing thing, so I'm happy to pause it and just pick it up again later) | 15:48 |
| Zara | (when we get too many complaints :P) | 15:49 |
| SotK | :D | 15:49 |
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| Zara | so yeah, revised plans for next few weeks: email on s.o.o, boards+worklists, get tags indexed by search, back to emails. | 15:50 |
| Zara | if nobody complains about the emails we'll swap that for more search, probably | 15:50 |
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| Zara | I suspect we'll get complaints related to the lack of threading... but we'll see! | 15:51 |
| * SotK expects so too | 15:51 | |
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| Zara | :) does anyone else have anything to add? not sure how useful that was but hopefully makes it clearer where my head's at! | 15:52 |
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| * SotK doesn't | 15:55 | |
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| Zara | okay, I'm pleased, looks like there's nothing blocking us at the moment and we can just get on with things! :) | 15:55 |
| Zara | thanks, everyone | 15:56 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 15:56:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-01-20-15.03.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-01-20-15.03.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-01-20-15.03.log.html | 15:56 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 15:59:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 15:59 |
| thingee | o/ | 15:59 |
| dulek_ | o/ | 15:59 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 15:59 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:00 |
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| wilson_liu | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| janice | hi | 16:00 |
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| abhishekk | hi o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Some general stuff first. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | N and O releases now have names! | 16:01 |
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| Swanson | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Newton and Ocata | 16:01 |
| * dulek_ thinks Nameless and Om were best... | 16:01 | |
| Swanson | Wow, really? | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | dulek_: ;) | 16:02 |
| geguileo | dulek_: +1 | 16:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek_ +1 | 16:02 |
| Swanson | dulek_, +1 | 16:02 |
| e0ne | dulek_: :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | M-2 is here. Just waiting for some things to make it through gate before officially cutting the release. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | At the current rate that should be some time in February. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:02 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:03 |
| dulek_ | Gate is 20 hours queue now.. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Hopefully later today or tomorrow I can submit the patch for the release. :) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Midcycle is next week. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Looks like a big group! | 16:03 |
| e0ne | will we have meeting next week? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Good point. No | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #info No meeting next week. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | We'll probably be wrapped up in discussion there, so no IRC meeting next week. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I'll send out a notice to ML. | 16:04 |
| * mriedem sneaks in late | 16:04 | |
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| jungleboyj | hi | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Our spec list has morphed into a review focus list: | 16:05 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: Nova meetup is next week, too, right? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | flip214: Yes, unfortunately. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | We will have a hangout or something between meetups Wednesday morning. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | We have a few topics to go over in our etherpad. | 16:06 |
| flip214 | that probably means that there's no Nova IRC meeting too, grmpf. | 16:06 |
| flip214 | thanks | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | I know nova has a few things as well. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Oh sure, now mriedem is hiding. :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | If anyone has a link to the nova midcycle etherpad, feel free to post it here too. | 16:06 |
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| * thingee has some announcements | 16:07 | |
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| smcginnis | Just a note to warn folks, we will need to start cracking down on third party CI stuff very very soon. | 16:07 |
| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 16:07 |
| thingee | or I could little diablo_rojo do it for cross-project specs | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thanks! | 16:07 |
| thingee | little = let | 16:07 |
| thingee | sorry need more coffee | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I know she had a couple things. You too can arm wrestle for it. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | thingee: :) | 16:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | thingee: Yeah I have two to point out to people :) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | *two | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | thingee, diablo_rojo: Want to cover that now? | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | The first is on backwards compatibility for libraries and clients and the second is about having a common policy scenario more complex than just admin/non-admin. | 16:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | #linlk https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245629/ Common Policy Scenario more complex than admin or not admin | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Doh | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #undo | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | Darn copy paste!!! | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Thank you! | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | There :) | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | thingee, diablo_rojo: Any other important CP stuff? | 16:09 |
| thingee | yes | 16:10 |
| thingee | hang on | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | The other two mentioned last week were approved so thank you to smcginnis e0ne and hemna_ for looking at those | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats all :) Unless I am missing anything thingee? | 16:10 |
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| thingee | Yes, so it has been approved by the TC for deprecating individual CLI's | 16:10 |
| thingee | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/deprecate-cli.html Deprecate individual clis in favor of OSC | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I believe we also have this on the midcycle topic list. | 16:11 |
| thingee | btw I learned that is a thing with the link command^ | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | thingee: we have to discuss cinderclient CLI at midcycle | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I think this is something we will still need to discuss within the group, though it is approved. | 16:11 |
| thingee | just putting it in people's mind that the TC has come to a decision :) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Fancy link expert. | 16:12 |
| thingee | that's all | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks! | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | OK, just a couple more announcement/bookkeeping things, then we can move on. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | For awareness: | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #info Bug counts: Cinder - 487 open bugs, Python-cinderclient - 39 open bugs, OS-Brick - 14 open bugs | 16:12 |
| thingee | I will also miss you all at the midcycle. | 16:12 |
| thingee | :( | 16:12 |
| thingee | going to be at an offsite with the foundation that conflicts | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Yeah, that will be weird. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Just so everyone has the right expectations - I will not be making coffee for you all. | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: Don't abandon us to go to the Carribbean :P | 16:13 |
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| thingee | heh ;) | 16:13 |
| kmartin | no thingee special brew this time :( | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What!?! | 16:13 |
| * jungleboyj is out! | 16:14 | |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | OK, one more thing re: bugs. Pulling in some nice purdu graphs here if anyone cares: | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | #link http://cinderstats-dellstorage.rhcloud.com/ Bugstats | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ;) | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | #purdy | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Can't type today. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | And finally... | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Nova can always use our help with volume related bugs | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes Nova volume bugs | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Oooh purdy. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So if you have some cycles, feel free to browse those for anything you can provide input on. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Alright, I'm done. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #topic Spes: Add-ServiceGroup-using-Tooz | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | dongwenjuan, janice : That you two? | 16:16 |
| * smcginnis copy pasted spes, that wasn't my typo this time! | 16:16 | |
| dongwenjuan | yeah | 16:16 |
| janice | ye | 16:16 |
| janice | yes | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258968/ Spec link | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | dongwenjuan, janice: Was there something you wanted to discuss about this? | 16:18 |
| janice | in this spec, we proposal a feature of CinderServiceGroup | 16:18 |
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| janice | but, according to Huang's Comments, we don't make sure if this feature has availible | 16:19 |
| e0ne | I'm agree with DuncanT: use cases are not clear from the spec | 16:19 |
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| janice | could you give us some suggestions for use cases? | 16:20 |
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| tbarron | late hi | 16:21 |
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| dulek | e0ne, janice: +1, use cases would be fine. | 16:21 |
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| janice | oh | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | janice: I think that is what you need to provide us use cases so we know why we would want this in Cinder. | 16:22 |
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| winston-d_ | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:22 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:22 |
| dulek | In Nova ZooKeeper was used to know of services that gone down faster | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron: You can get off his list buy buing him a shot of fireball | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | janice: So maybe this would be good to follow up in the cinder channel if there's not a specific issue to go over at the moment. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Only so much time in the meeting. ;) | 16:23 |
| dulek | If I recall correctly dongwenjuan's use case was connected with use of some external monitoring tool? | 16:23 |
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| dongwenjuan | the benfits of using servicegroup is to get the service state immediately | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: :-) | 16:23 |
| janice | OK | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT | dongwenjuan: what circumstances does that help? ' | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | dongwenjuan, janice: OK if we move this to our channel? Or we can discuss more after we get through the other agenda items. | 16:24 |
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| winston-d_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: It looks to me like they are trying to reduce the failed creates when a service is temporarily down? Not clear though. | 16:24 |
| janice | ok, let mova the cinder channel. | 16:24 |
| dongwenjuan | OK | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | janice, dongwenjuan: Thanks | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review requests | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | abhishekk: Hey | 16:25 |
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| abhishekk | hey | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257170/ | 16:25 |
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| abhishekk | yes this is against, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+spec/return-request-id-to-caller | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | abhishekk: Anything specific here, or just looking for visibility? | 16:25 |
| abhishekk | I need reviews | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | abhishekk: If you can answer my question in the review, I'm happy to +2 | 16:25 |
| abhishekk | I have submitted 5 patches to implement these ans reviews are welcom | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: OK, unless there's some point to discuss about it, I think we can move on. | 16:26 |
| abhishekk | DuncanT: sure, I will do that | 16:26 |
| abhishekk | sure, smcginnis thank you | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | abhishekk: Captured in meeting notes, so hopefully that helps. | 16:26 |
| abhishekk | DuncanT: thank you | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: You had one too? | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251843/ | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | yeah | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Oh, Default=None | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | That probably is worth discussin. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | I don't like this change, personally, but we should go one way or the other | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | ggggg!!! | 16:27 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | Probably with a hacking check too | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Personally, I don't mind it being explicit. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | It's loaded at module load time, so there's not really a bug performance impact. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | But I agree, if we want to enforce that, we should have a hacking check too. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I prefer explicit too, that means reverting to other change... | 16:28 |
| winston-d_ | smcginnis: i'd prefer being explicit | 16:28 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: +1 | 16:28 |
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| tbarron | to explicit | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Which other change? | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | I wouldn't think a hacking check for that would be too bad. | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239704/ | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks! | 16:30 |
| winston-d_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239704/ | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | Ooops. :] | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | I'd vote for reverting that | 16:30 |
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| winston-d_ | DuncanT: +1 | 16:31 |
| guitarza1 | indeed, let's pull out the ballots | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: +1 | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Wait, I am confused. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | So we want default=None or we don't want it? | 16:31 |
| guitarza1 | we want it | 16:31 |
| guitarza1 | explicit is better than implicit | 16:31 |
| patrickeast | i don't like that change... the code was probably written expecting None, what happens if the config module decides to change the default? | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: ++ Good point. | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | seems like there isn't anything gained by removing it except lowering the file size | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | OK... | 16:32 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: They can't just change it like that, backward compatibility | 16:32 |
| eharney | i think it's a pretty solid contract from oslo.config that the default isn't going to just change | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: We want it | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | I am all for being explicit. | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT Good. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:32 |
| hemna | so if you remove default=None, does it set it to None as a default ? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #startvote Should we enforce explicitly setting Default=None in config options? Yes, No, Meh | 16:32 |
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| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we enforce explicitly setting Default=None in config options? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Meh. | 16:32 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Yes | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yes, I believe so. | 16:33 |
| mriedem | #vote no | 16:33 |
| e0ne | yes | 16:33 |
| hemna | ok, well I like having it there, but that's just me | 16:33 |
| mriedem | oslo.config defaults to None | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | #vote yes | 16:33 |
| eharney | #vote no | 16:33 |
| winston-d_ | #vote yes | 16:33 |
| geguileo | #vote Meh | 16:33 |
| diablo_rojo | #vote yes | 16:33 |
| mriedem | oslo.config isn't going to change that default | 16:33 |
| patrickeast | #vote no | 16:33 |
| mriedem | w/o breaking the world | 16:33 |
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| dulek | #vote meh | 16:33 |
| jgregor | #vote yes | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: No, we shouldn't enforce because that's the default anyway? | 16:33 |
| hemna | #vote meh | 16:33 |
| guitarza1 | wait... enforce? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | #vote yes | 16:33 |
| kmartin | #vote Meh | 16:33 |
| tbarron | #vote meh | 16:33 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: default=None is redundant | 16:33 |
| hemna | what does it mean to enforce ? | 16:33 |
| hemna | I don't understand the question actually | 16:33 |
| abhishekk | #vote no | 16:33 |
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| patrickeast | so like... was meh the option for leave them alone and don't churn code removing/adding them? | 16:33 |
| guitarza1 | we just prefer to not mess with the code that is explicit | 16:33 |
| eharney | requiring this as a hacking change is just saying that we aren't leveraging what oslo.config is providing as a library, which seems... odd | 16:34 |
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| winston-d_ | guitarza1: +100 | 16:34 |
| hemna | I honestly don't see the point in that patch to remove the default=None | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I'm fine if it's there or not, but given that the default is None anyway it is redundant. | 16:34 |
| hemna | other than someone wanting a code commit stat. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | But more explicit. | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | hemna: +1 | 16:34 |
| hemna | it's pointless really. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Exactly. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | hemna: agree | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | But I don't think we need to revert or do any extra enforcement personally. | 16:34 |
| * DuncanT wants consistency at a minimum | 16:34 | |
| hemna | ok -2 on that patch | 16:34 |
| hemna | done | 16:34 |
| hemna | next | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | If someone wants to be explicit, fine. If they don't, oh well. | 16:34 |
| guitarza1 | DuncanT: so a proposed hacking check for "you must specify a default"? | 16:35 |
| eharney | smcginnis: that's my opinion too | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: That is the only think leaning me slightly toward doing anything. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | *thing!!! | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Dang it. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #vote Meh | 16:35 |
| mriedem | you know sqlalchemy defaults nullable too right? | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | OK, last call. | 16:35 |
| winston-d_ | for the sake of consistency, shall we vote for wether to revert Nate's change? | 16:35 |
| kmartin | looks like someone wants to run up their -2 stats :) | 16:35 |
| mriedem | there's probably lots on your sqlalchemy model code that is being explicit and redundant | 16:36 |
| hemna | :) | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | #endvote | 16:36 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we enforce explicitly setting Default=None in config options?" Results are | 16:36 |
| openstack | Yes (5): DuncanT, winston-d_, jungleboyj, jgregor, diablo_rojo | 16:36 |
| openstack | Meh (6): hemna, smcginnis, kmartin, tbarron, geguileo, dulek | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: True | 16:36 |
| openstack | No (4): mriedem, abhishekk, patrickeast, eharney | 16:36 |
| hemna | kmartin, I don't get to use it often, but this is as good as spiking the football. | 16:36 |
| eharney | so this hacking check would also enforce things like setting [] for ListOpt? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Apathy for the win! | 16:36 |
| hemna | smcginnis, :) | 16:36 |
| kmartin | lol | 16:36 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | eharney: If that's a good thing to have, sure | 16:36 |
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| eharney | DuncanT: I don't think it's a good thing to have | 16:37 |
| eharney | just wondering for the sake of completeness | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | eharney: I thing being consistent with the default is important. I've never noticed the [] thing | 16:37 |
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| mriedem | ListOpt defaults to None | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | I'd prefer is be explict, I find it more readable, but certainly I want consistency | 16:38 |
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| mriedem | everything defaults to None | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT | mriedem: but you need to know that reading the code... explicit stating means one less thing to remember | 16:39 |
| mriedem | ... | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:40 |
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| eharney | the whole point of libraries like oslo.config is that it does the right thing and you don't have to explicitly do everything yourself | 16:40 |
| eharney | otherwise why use libraries for these things anyway | 16:40 |
| mriedem | eharney: right | 16:40 |
| Swanson | eharney, +1 | 16:40 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | eharney: 'the right thing' is rather subjective. What should the default of an int option be? 0? None? What abotu a boolean? | 16:40 |
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| guitarza1 | eharney: that is absolutely the problem with libraries | 16:41 |
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| guitarza1 | people assume they do the right thing | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Are we bike shedding too much? | 16:41 |
| mriedem | never | 16:41 |
| guitarza1 | smcginnis: absolutely | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Probably. | 16:42 |
| scottda | Discuss this at the bike-shedding meeting during the mid-cycle? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'll put up the patch, people can fight there... | 16:42 |
| guitarza1 | there's a specified bike shedding meeting? :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: That sounds good. Thanks! | 16:42 |
| winston-d_ | DuncanT: you have my +2 :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | guitarza1: Almost always ends up on the meetup agenda. ;) | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: :-) | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | Let's move on then... | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #topic api-microversions is ready for review and testing | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Hey | 16:43 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | I'd rather spend more time on this one. ;) | 16:43 |
| scottda | I think it would be good for folks to have a look before the mid-cycle... | 16:43 |
| e0ne | scottda: +1 | 16:43 |
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| scottda | It can be complex when you first try to understand the whole microversion thing | 16:43 |
| e0ne | scottda: do you have a plan to have it tested via CI? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223803/ Spec | 16:43 |
| scottda | And I can go over issues and questions at the mid-cycle | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224910 Implementation | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248163/ Client | 16:44 |
| scottda | e0ne: not with CI, but Nova is testing (or will soon) in Tempest | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I agree. If we can go in to the midcycle with at least some foundation on this, that would help. | 16:44 |
| e0ne | scottda: tempest on gates == CI | 16:44 |
| scottda | mriedem: Does NOva have microversion testing in Tempest going yet? | 16:44 |
| scottda | e0ne: Anyway, not yet for cinder microversions, but I'll work on that next. | 16:45 |
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| mriedem | scottda: i don't think so | 16:45 |
| mriedem | oomichi: was working on that | 16:45 |
| e0ne | scottda: sounds good | 16:45 |
| scottda | Tempest tests only become usefull when we actually bump the microversion with a change. | 16:45 |
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| mriedem | nova has functional testing for the microversion boundaries | 16:46 |
| mriedem | in tree | 16:46 |
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| mtreinish | scottda: the code for microversion support has landed in tempest | 16:46 |
| scottda | OK, I'll look at adding some functional tests as well. | 16:46 |
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| mtreinish | the first test using it has been approved but bounced off the gate a couple times | 16:46 |
| mtreinish | pip 8 didn't help there | 16:46 |
| scottda | Anyway, please start looking at the code. It takes some time to soak it all in. | 16:47 |
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| scottda | I'll put something on the mid-cycle agenda for microversions | 16:47 |
| scottda | That's all I've got. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thanks! | 16:47 |
| mtreinish | scottda: fwiw: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support | 16:47 |
| scottda | mriedem: thanks! | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Definitely look into things before the midcycle if folks can. | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | OK, bike shedding time! | 16:48 |
| scottda | paint it black | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | Burn it down and get some more parking spaces | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | Put it in the reactor containment vessel | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Nothing to discuss!? | 16:50 |
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| patrickeast | did we decide if something was going on monday night? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Color doesn't matter there. Battleship grey will do! | 16:51 |
| dulek | patrickeast: +1 :D | 16:51 |
| vincent_hou | When will you folks arrive? | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: I get in Monday afternoon. I'd love to meet up with everyone. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: Beer | 16:51 |
| vincent_hou | Anyone needs a ride? | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | yea i'm in the afternoon too | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | plenty of beer time | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will be aorund | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | Should we meet in the "official" hotel lobby at a certain time and head somewhere? | 16:51 |
| scottda | locals have a good monday night recommendation? | 16:51 |
| dulek | Me and e0ne will be there around 7 PM, any pointers where we should head? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +2 | 16:52 |
| winston-d_ | vincent_hou: your shiny new car can't wait to be loaded? ;) | 16:52 |
| scottda | smcginnis: +1 | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You can scout out the good places. :) | 16:52 |
| vincent_hou | right. I got a red car. | 16:52 |
| kmartin | monday night at 11 PM, I'm sure I'll run into scottda or patrickeast out and about | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: 'aorund' ? Have you started drinking already? ;) | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes sir! Right on it sir! | 16:52 |
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| scottda | dulek: We'll post in IRC and on the etherpad when we decide | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: :-p | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | e0ne, dulek: Will you have a mobile here, or would email be the best way to contact you? | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Oh, good plan! | 16:53 |
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| hemna | start drinking....dinner Monday | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Meet in the lobby around 6:30-7? | 16:53 |
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| patrickeast | sounds good to me | 16:53 |
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| vincent_hou | scittda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle you mean put here? | 16:53 |
| hemna | create a Cinder google hangout ? | 16:53 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I'll send you may cell no | 16:53 |
| scottda | vincent_hou: yup | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Cool | 16:54 |
| scottda | hemna: good idea | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | OK, guess we're done here. Thanks everyone. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Sounds good to me. | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 16:55:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-20-15.59.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-20-15.59.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-20-15.59.log.html | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:55 |
| hemna | scottda, ok I'll try and create a hangout room | 16:55 |
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| vincent_hou | see you folks soon. | 16:55 |
| scottda | cool | 16:55 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 17:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 17:01 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | Hello all. | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements. Does anyone else? | 17:02 |
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| mjturek1 | hey \o | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Okay. Moving on in 5 | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | 4 | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | 3 | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | 2 | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | 1 | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | So I am continuing to work on Grenade testing. Currently at the point where five tempest tests fail for stable/liberty portion of Grenade. All say node unavailable. | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | #info jlvillal continues to work on Grenade testing. Currently at the point where five tempest tests fail for stable/liberty portion of Grenade. All say node unavailable. | 17:04 |
| * jroll lurking | 17:04 | |
| jroll | jlvillal: node unavailable as in out of capacity or? | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Let me see if I can find message | 17:05 |
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| jroll | ok we can dig in after the meeting too if you like | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Okay, lets do that. | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | Rather than me hunting around for log files right now :) | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Any other comments/questions on grenade before moving on? | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #topic Functional testing | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | So I haven't heard any updates since last week | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | Does anyone have anything to add? | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | I think Serge was investigating but he had some higher priority things to work on. | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #info No updates this week | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | If nothing else, moving on | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor) | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: For you :) | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | No updates this week for me either | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | unfortunately, I have had other priorities as well | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Okay. | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone else have anything for 3rd Party CI? | 17:10 |
| jroll | so, M-2 this week. | 17:10 |
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| jroll | supposedly third party CIs are supposed to have accounts | 17:10 |
| jroll | and be sandbox commenting by M-3 | 17:10 |
| jroll | krtaylor: wondering if you can send a reminder to the dev list cc vendor peeps | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | jroll, sure, but I don't know the list of drivers that have responded | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | #info M-2 is this week. 3rd Party CIs should have accounts and be doing sandbox commenting by M-3. krtaylor to send out email reminder | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | but I can send a global reminder | 17:11 |
| rajinir | There is etherpad and we updated the status. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:11 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, thingee might know, not sure | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | #info Etherpad available at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | rajinir, y, but not sure how current that is | 17:12 |
| thingee | yeah might need to double check sandbox and do some emailing | 17:12 |
| thingee | let me get back to you. I won't be present next week, but can drop a note on the ML to reference in this meeting | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Anything else from anyone? | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | thingee, great, and I'll follow up on that, thanks again | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: You good? | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Okay to move on? | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | yep, all for me | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Open discussion / General QA topics | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | If anyone has anything speak up :) | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | I'll give it a couple minutes | 17:14 |
| jroll | so how about that gate? | 17:14 |
| jroll | http://tinyurl.com/j5yc4yr | 17:15 |
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| jroll | there's the devstack bug hurting us, but our fail rate is very high without that | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | It doesn't look that much better. Maybe a little better than last week | 17:15 |
| jroll | IMO if we're going to have a QA subteam, the gate should be that subteam's #1 focus | 17:16 |
| mjturek1 | jroll: is there a known root cause at the moment? | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | Do we have any people who are interested in trying to figure out why are gate fails so much? People with free time? | 17:16 |
| jroll | no sense in working on other things if the gate is falling apart | 17:16 |
| jroll | mjturek1: timeouts, timeouts everywhere | 17:16 |
| jroll | tl;dr nested virt is slow | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | #info Looking for people to help troubleshoot gate issues as we have very high failure rate: http://tinyurl.com/j5yc4yr | 17:17 |
| mjturek1 | right | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | mjturek1, re: timeouts ^^ | 17:17 |
| jroll | it makes me sad to see people constantly rechecking things instead of actually working on the real issue :( | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | #info Gate has many failures due to timeouts. | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | part of this is nested virt, but Ironic has been using nested virt for a long time. So something else has also changed most likely | 17:18 |
| mjturek1 | fair enough, I have a patch in review that failed the gate I'll use that as an opportunity to see if I notice anything | 17:18 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259089/ | 17:19 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234902/ | 17:19 |
| jroll | ^ tinyipa work in an effort to speed things up | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | jroll: I thought they added new cloud providers for the build. Is that true? | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | It used to just be RackSpace and HP | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | But I think they have added OVH and maybe others? | 17:19 |
| jroll | jlvillal: over the last 6 months or so, yes | 17:19 |
| jroll | I think that may be slightly related, but there's nothing we can do about that | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Okay, so timeline doesn't quite line-up with our failures. | 17:20 |
| jlvillal | Any other opens? | 17:20 |
| mjturek1 | new question: is there a timeframe for the tempest plugin to land/is that definitely going to happen? | 17:20 |
| jroll | oh right | 17:21 |
| jroll | devananda has been working on that a bit | 17:21 |
| jroll | we'd like it in very soon | 17:21 |
| devananda | ohhai | 17:21 |
| mjturek1 | :) | 17:21 |
| jroll | a wild deva | 17:21 |
| devananda | it's blocked on the devstack fix that has been in the gate | 17:21 |
| mjturek1 | devananda: which fix specifically?? | 17:21 |
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| devananda | once our gate is unblocked, I want to land the tempestlib changes immediately | 17:21 |
| jroll | oh, right, for the agent_ssh job | 17:21 |
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| devananda | mjturek1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268960/ | 17:22 |
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| mjturek1 | devananda: cool thanks! | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | #info tempest plugin is waiting to land. Currently blocked waiting for fix to devstack to get merged. devananda will try to get it merged ASAP | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268960/ | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:22 |
| jroll | devananda: you still need reviews on tempest things yeah? | 17:23 |
| devananda | jroll: the first two patches look good | 17:23 |
| devananda | I am still a bit nervous that we haven't tested them inthe gate env yet, bu that's a chicken-and-egg problem right now | 17:23 |
| jroll | devananda: let me rephrase, do they have +A? :) | 17:23 |
| devananda | no - but they have enough +2's | 17:23 |
| jroll | cool | 17:24 |
| devananda | no need to put them in the queue until they have a chance of passing | 17:24 |
| jroll | we need yuiko to un-wip the one it seems | 17:24 |
| jroll | right | 17:24 |
| * jroll leaves a comment | 17:24 | |
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| jlvillal | Feel free to add a #info if needed for meeting minutes. If not already covered. | 17:25 |
| jroll | so going back a moment | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | Any other comments? | 17:25 |
| jroll | I would really like to request anyone working on QA things focus on the gate problems, rather than something else | 17:25 |
| devananda | ++ | 17:25 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Okay. I can switch over to that from Grenade. | 17:26 |
| jroll | it's the biggest detriment to our velocity | 17:26 |
| devananda | our gate's failure rate from simple timeouts is really troubling | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | See what I can figure out. | 17:26 |
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| devananda | do we have any indication how much tinyipa will help with that? | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | But would love to have multiple people collaborating on this! :) | 17:26 |
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| jroll | devananda: I don't have data but it's a non-negligible improvement | 17:26 |
| devananda | cool | 17:27 |
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| devananda | we should, you know, get data on that :) | 17:27 |
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| jroll | yah | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | Of course the devstack gate breakage is making it hard to troubleshoot at the moment :( | 17:28 |
| jroll | the n-v job will help with that | 17:28 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: that only affects the agent_ssh job | 17:28 |
| jroll | or rather, things using the agent driver | 17:28 |
| jroll | pxe driver is fine | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | Ah right. I guess that is good than that they affect two different jobs. | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | 'good' being debatable... | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:29 |
| jroll | rather, the devstack breakage only affects agent driver | 17:29 |
| jroll | no driver is safe from the timeout stuff | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | #info devstack breakage only affects agent driver | 17:29 |
| jlvillal | #info timeout issues are seen across multiple drivers | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | Okay. I think we are done. | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | Any objections to ending the meeting? | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone! Talk to you next week | 17:30 |
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| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 17:31:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-01-20-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-01-20-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-01-20-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 20 21:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| Zyric_ | Hello | 21:00 |
| * onovy | 21:00 | |
| ho_away | o/ | 21:00 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| cbartz | Hi | 21:00 |
| peterlisak | hi | 21:00 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jlhinson | o/ | 21:00 |
| eranrom | hi | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
| bill_az | Hi | 21:00 |
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| sgundur | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | good group. welcome! | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda is | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | several things to start with | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic swift release | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | a few things here on the topic of a swift release | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | first, pip did a major version upgrade yesterday, and this sortof broke the whole openstack world | 21:02 |
| notmyname | so the gate seems to be at more than 28 hours now | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | not just the openstack world, grumble grumble | 21:02 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:02 |
| clarkb | and greater python world. ya | 21:02 |
| notmyname | we've got 8 patches that are already in the gate that will land | 21:02 |
| notmyname | including the CVE fixes disclosed this morning | 21:03 |
| wbhuber_ | o/ | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1493303 | 21:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493303 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "[OSSA 2016-004] Swift proxy memory leak on unfinished read (CVE-2016-0738)" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:03 |
| notmyname | in case you didn't see the security bug and patch, there it is ^ | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | summary is that if a client starts to download a large object and then stops, the server will leak a socket file descriptor and a small amount of memory | 21:04 |
| notmyname | you should upgrade | 21:04 |
| notmyname | lots of other good stuff in this release too | 21:04 |
| notmyname | you can see the proposed changelog in patch 269911 | 21:05 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269911/ - authors and changelog updates for 2.6.0 | 21:05 |
| notmyname | hasn't landed yet, but I'll approve it to land shortly | 21:05 |
| notmyname | which gets to the next thing | 21:05 |
| notmyname | there are 2 patches not approved that need to land in this release | 21:05 |
| notmyname | first is the authors changelog one. that's just boilerplate and shouldn't worry anyone | 21:06 |
| notmyname | the other is patch 269811 | 21:06 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269811/ - Bump eventlet min version to 0.17.4 | 21:06 |
| notmyname | it was suggested to bring up this one in the meeting | 21:06 |
| notmyname | the summary is that we've got some IPv6 support in swift (and have for a while, actually), but unless you are running at least eventlet 0.17, it doesn't work | 21:07 |
| notmyname | our current min eventlet version says 0.16.1 | 21:07 |
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| cschwede | i’ll check this for recent rhel/centos versions | 21:07 |
| notmyname | this patch makes it match what's in global requirements. 0.17.4 | 21:07 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:07 |
| onovy | debian is fine | 21:07 |
| notmyname | onovy: thanks | 21:07 |
| onovy | ad changelog: what about that one commit i wrote in comment? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | looking at ubuntu, even 0.16.1 is later than what's in either precise or trusty | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so no new challenge there | 21:08 |
| acoles | notmyname: do you know what the # MIT means after the eventlet version? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: the license | 21:08 |
| acoles | notmyname: oic. thanks | 21:08 |
| notmyname | basically, if we change *anything* in the requirements file, it must be an exact string match for the line in global requirements | 21:09 |
| notmyname | which also means that our choice is to either keep 0.16.1 or to go to 0.17.4. there is no other option | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | and if we stay with 16.1, IPv6 does not work | 21:09 |
| onovy | +1 for upgrade | 21:09 |
| notmyname | IMO, we absolutely should upgrade | 21:09 |
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| cschwede | +1 | 21:09 |
| Zyric_ | +1 | 21:10 |
| torgomatic | agreed; otherwise we'll just end up introducing workarounds for bugs already fixed in eventlet | 21:10 |
| onovy | we are using 0.17.4 eventlet in production with swift 2.3.0 | 21:10 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: exactly! | 21:10 |
| onovy | and everything working fine | 21:10 |
| notmyname | cschwede: since you're one of our RH representatives, can you please add that +1 comment to gerrit? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | and I'd be fine if you also +A it | 21:10 |
| notmyname | or someone else can | 21:11 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yep, just checked RDO, now checking OSP; will add my +2/A afterwards | 21:11 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:11 |
| notmyname | onovy: FWIW, I didn't mention that, not because it isn't a cool thing, but because it looked to me to be a very minor change. it's great, but it was a value judgement when I wrote it up. nothing against the work at all. there's a lot of stuff in each release bundled under "other minor changes and bug fixes" :-) | 21:12 |
| onovy | mkey | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | so after cschwede puts +A on the eventlet patch, I'll land the changelog one, and whenever that lands, I'll do the release tag stuff. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | so based ont he gate, that might be friday? who knows. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | any other questions or comments on this release? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | ok, next topic | 21:14 |
| eranrom | nonameentername,: IBMs gratitude for the last minute cs review | 21:14 |
| notmyname | eranrom: you're welcome | 21:14 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | the hackathon in bristol is coming up! | 21:14 |
| notmyname | acoles got the hotel block extended, so if you haven't booked a room yet, DO IT NOW! | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | in the next few weeks, be putting together your ideas of what to discuss there | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I think it will be a very densely packed week. lots of stuff to go over | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | acoles: anything else to add? any logistics we need to know about or plan for? | 21:16 |
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| mattoliverau | Keep good notes for those of us who can't make it | 21:16 |
| jrichli | mattoliverau: we will miss having you there! | 21:17 |
| * notmyname is going to visit mattoliverau next week! | 21:17 | |
| acoles | only that i'm working on plans for the social evening - if anyone is bringing partners let me know so I can account for them in headcount | 21:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for working on it | 21:18 |
| acoles | we'll keep an empty seat in honour of mattoliverau | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | a seat and a half for little mattoliverau-ette | 21:18 |
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| kota_ | lol | 21:18 |
| notmyname | next topic | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #topic community status | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | so last week I went on a little bit about what's going on in the community | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | and I asked everyone some questions: what are you working on, what's important, what are you happy about, and what are you worried about | 21:19 |
| notmyname | you've all given me great responses! | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I'm putting them together, and I'll share that, but here's some current community highlights | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | first, active contributors continues to grow | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #link http://d.not.mn/swift_active_contribs.png | 21:20 |
| notmyname | and nearly everyone had very positive things to say about the community | 21:20 |
| notmyname | one of my favorite comments was (paraphrased): "before I got involved in Swift, I thought it wouldn't work well because of all the different time zones. But it's absolutely awesome." | 21:21 |
| notmyname | (that last part was a direct quote) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | there were many comments along those lines | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so I'm really happy to hear that | 21:22 |
| notmyname | there is some room for improvement for helping newer community members get involved | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so keep being friendly and awesome :-) | 21:22 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:23 |
| notmyname | as far as what's important, there was a lot of overlap | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname and I will just have to have our own midcycle in Geelong next week (thanks all, turns out going fast on the highway means irc comes in bits and pieces) | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | the top 3 things that stuck out as far as the "what's important" question goes are: container sharding, encryption, and fast-post | 21:24 |
| notmyname | which I don't think surprises anyone | 21:24 |
| acoles | wow someone said fast-post, it wasn't me! | 21:24 |
| notmyname | it was the 3rd most mentioned item! | 21:25 |
| acoles | trending up since Austin then :) | 21:25 |
| cschwede | now i’m curious about the 4th-most mentioned… | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: \o/ fast post | 21:25 |
| acoles | cschwede: lol | 21:25 |
| notmyname | however, note that the total list of "what's important" is long. turns out when you ask someone what they are working on and what's important, they tell you that what they are working on is important :-) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | cschwede: container sync, swift3, and RBAC | 21:25 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: thx! i’m wondering if no one (except me?) mentioned partition power increase… | 21:26 |
| notmyname | oh! just looked at my notes. another thing multiple people mentioned was "seeing more >10PB clusters in production" | 21:26 |
| notmyname | (mentioned as something exciting that's happening) | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: I mentioned it too | 21:27 |
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| mattoliverau | Somewhere | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: right here, right now ;-) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok, so on to some of the "what's worrying you" answers | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:27 |
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| cschwede | anyways, can’t wait to see notmyname’s summary - thx for working on this! | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | there are 2 thing that stand out, again to no surprise to anyone | 21:28 |
| notmyname | first is "slow review times" | 21:28 |
| ho_away | cschwede: +100 | 21:28 |
| notmyname | and general slow speed of integrating changes | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | this is not new (nor is any attempt to fix it) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | so it's something to keep working on. but it's a really hard problem, it seems | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I have an idea here, but I want to flesh it out more before proposing it to the community | 21:29 |
| notmyname | the second most common thing said (by a large margin) is "increased complexity with associated costs" | 21:30 |
| notmyname | basically, people feel like swift is getting pretty complicated, and it's hard to reason about what's going on and keep it all inyour head | 21:30 |
| notmyname | so if you've been feeling that way, you're not alone! | 21:30 |
| notmyname | I think this one will take some very specific and deliberate action on all of our parts to overcome | 21:31 |
| notmyname | and it's a topic that should be addressed at the hackathon (if not specifically, then at least in general) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | so that's what I've got! | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | well, I've got a lot more raw data, and some paragraphs summarizing it, but that's the highlights of the raw data | 21:32 |
| notmyname | thank you for giving me your feedback | 21:32 |
| joeljwright | thanks for putting it all together! | 21:32 |
| notmyname | any questions or comments? anything you want me to specifically look for? | 21:32 |
| eranrom | notmyname,: I think this is a great initiative! | 21:32 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:33 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:33 |
| ho_away | +1 | 21:33 |
| minwoob | +1 | 21:33 |
| notmyname | patches topic time | 21:33 |
| notmyname | #topic patches -- ionice | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | patch 238799 | 21:34 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | onovy and peterlisak shared some results of testing with this patch | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | which is very helpful! | 21:34 |
| notmyname | in the past we've raised 2 questions about this patch | 21:34 |
| notmyname | (1) does this actually do anything good? | 21:34 |
| onovy | i think first question is answered: yes | 21:35 |
| notmyname | to which we now know the answer (at least for auditors) is unequivocally yes | 21:35 |
| notmyname | and IMO "just" the auditors is good enough | 21:35 |
| onovy | yep. we know i works for auditor and doesn't work for reaper | 21:36 |
| onovy | it | 21:36 |
| onovy | (now) | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | (2) should we do this in swift instead of leaving it as an ops/distro thing? | 21:36 |
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| onovy | simple answer would be: do it in init script | 21:36 |
| onovy | BUT i say: in swift | 21:36 |
| notmyname | that's what I'd like to get some feedback on today | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | what do people think? | 21:37 |
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| onovy | 1. swift-init vs. init scripts confusion | 21:37 |
| onovy | 2. future work, where reaper can work too | 21:37 |
| notmyname | should swift be setting ionice via config? or should that be set in distro init scripts (by either the distro/packager or the operator)? | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | what do you think? | 21:38 |
| torgomatic | the auditors are sort of special; they do a ton of IO, and all their work is local. most swift daemons send messages on other cluster nodes and induce work there, so setting ionice and such on one end doesn't really buy us much | 21:38 |
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| onovy | torgomatic: yep, my point "2" | 21:39 |
| torgomatic | but it's certainly good to have for the auditors | 21:39 |
| onovy | this is just first patch | 21:39 |
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| onovy | i can imagine we can set some kind of header for this type of prioritization | 21:39 |
| onovy | and other servers should respect it | 21:39 |
| notmyname | note that in past meetings, ops people have told is it's fine to do ionice in swift. so it's a question of the "right" place for it. eg we could say "not in the code, but let's document it" | 21:39 |
| onovy | then it will work for reaper too | 21:39 |
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| torgomatic | sticking to the question of nice/ionice applied in configs vs. init scripts, I'm fine with either one | 21:40 |
| notmyname | any other comments there? | 21:41 |
| onovy | peterlisak: ? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ...not everyone all at once | 21:42 |
| peterlisak | onovy, no comments, you described it very well ;) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok, IMO it's fine to add for swift | 21:43 |
| onovy | perfect | 21:43 |
| acoles | by default the patch leaves things as they are correct - has to be actively added to config? | 21:43 |
| notmyname | right | 21:43 |
| onovy | acoles: yep | 21:43 |
| acoles | k | 21:44 |
| jrichli | acoles: i was just now typing something like that up :-) | 21:44 |
| notmyname | jrichli: I'd imagine that this would be very interesting for softlayer | 21:44 |
| peterlisak | acoles, it has not to be added | 21:44 |
| notmyname | onovy: peterlisak: I'll add a comment to the patch | 21:44 |
| notmyname | peterlisak: ? | 21:44 |
| onovy | default is: do nothing / don't change ionice/nice | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | I'll ask the Rackspace Private Cloud ops. Openstack Ansible swift is currently using init scripts, but maybe that's because they can't set it in config.. I'll ask the question. | 21:45 |
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| acoles | peterlisak: i mean, unless an admin actively adds this to their config, there will be no change in their daemon operation? | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | But happy to go either I guess. Is there an Ops meetup this cycle ;) | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | ? | 21:46 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: and if they will not be happy with this inside swift, they can use it in init scripts | 21:46 |
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| onovy | but big plus for inside swift is you can do: swift-init all restart | 21:46 |
| onovy | and ionice/nice is set correctly | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | ok, I think we're good on this topic | 21:47 |
| onovy | thanks all | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #topic auditor watcher patches | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | patch 212824 and patch 268830 | 21:47 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ - Let developers/operators add watchers to object audit | 21:47 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268830/ - Let developers/operators add watchers to account a... | 21:47 |
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| mattoliverau | onovy, peterlisak: thanks for all your work on it :) | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | these 2 patches are very closely related | 21:48 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: thanks for review :) | 21:48 |
| Zyric_ | The account audit watcher has diverged slightly in that it uses inheritance to get a logger while the original object auditor watcher has it passed in. I would like to know if I'm going in the right direction with this, and whether they should be kept apart or integrated. | 21:48 |
| Zyric_ | The idea behind audit watchers is to allow operators to run custom code on each object/account in a cluster without adding additional I/O by using data derived from Auditors. | 21:48 |
| peterlisak | acoles, yes, default is no change | 21:48 |
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| acoles | peterlisak: thanks | 21:49 |
| notmyname | as an example of where the auditor watchers is useful, think of the ops meeting we had in tokyo. one request was a common way to get a list of accounts in the cluster | 21:49 |
| notmyname | and Zyric_ is working on that now, actually | 21:49 |
| notmyname | implemented as an auditor watcher hook | 21:49 |
| onovy | shouldn't be account list supported natively? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | onovy: never has been before. that's what Zyric_ is working on :-) | 21:50 |
| onovy | i like idea behind watchers, but that acount list... i don't know | 21:50 |
| onovy | notmyname: Zyric_ is working on watchers | 21:50 |
| onovy | and 1 example watcher which appends account name to file | 21:50 |
| torgomatic | another use case: I've got people in my company working on search, and they want a way to crawl existing objects and make sure they get indexed once a cluster turns on search stuff | 21:50 |
| onovy | i mean something like native sqlite db, sharded across cluster | 21:50 |
| onovy | torgomatic: yep, that's correct usecase for watcher (for me) | 21:51 |
| torgomatic | and a watcher lets me do it (a) without more IO load, and (b) without having to fork the auditor, and (c) without bugging you guys :) | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | Zyric_: can you get account also have the option of passing in a logger (to override the inherited one) we may never need to, but it'll give both a similar API. (Noting I haven't looked at the code yet) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | onovy: Zyric_'s patch will be changing to not be in the current "examples" directory | 21:51 |
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| eranrom | cough...storlets...cough :-) | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | Zyric_: I'll have at least a fist parse of them today. | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | so yeah. tons of uses to do "something" when an auditor comes across a thing in swift | 21:52 |
| onovy | notmyname: so it will append account name to /tmp file by default? | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | onovy: pay more attention to the concept of the account auditors that the specific patch as it is | 21:52 |
| Zyric_ | mattoliverau: thanks, I'll add the logger back. | 21:53 |
| notmyname | onovy: I'm working with Zyric_ as part of her outreachy internship on this project | 21:53 |
| onovy | as i sad. i like watchers | 21:53 |
| onovy | but don't like this correct use-case :) | 21:53 |
| onovy | /correct/exact/ | 21:53 |
| cschwede | torgomatic: that, +1! | 21:53 |
| Zyric_ | onovy: Latest patch saves to recon-cache :) | 21:53 |
| onovy | Zyric_: and still appends-only? | 21:53 |
| acoles | Zyric_: mattoliverau +1 for making interfaces as similar as possible. (I also have not looked at code yet!) | 21:53 |
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| mattoliverau | k, I need to head in to the doctors appointment. So I gotta go. bbl | 21:54 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau | 21:54 |
| Zyric_ | onovy: Overwrites now too. | 21:54 |
| Zyric_ | I know this isn't high-priority as far as Swift is concerned, but it is important for my internship so all feedback is much appriciated. | 21:54 |
| onovy | Zyric_: i will take a look | 21:55 |
| notmyname | patch 212824 needs eyes first (the object one by torgomatic) | 21:55 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ - Let developers/operators add watchers to object audit | 21:55 |
| eranrom | I lie the idea will have a look | 21:55 |
| eranrom | like | 21:55 |
| notmyname | then Zyric_'s patch can build on that. but it's in relatively good shape now and could use feedback too | 21:55 |
| notmyname | eranrom: onovy: thanks | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | Zyric_: it's probably a good idea to get whatever updated code you have locally pushed asap to get eyes on that and not be distracted by stuff you've already fixed | 21:56 |
| notmyname | Zyric_: will you have a chance to do that today? | 21:56 |
| onovy | +1 on this. release early :) | 21:56 |
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| acoles | Zyric_: torgomatic notmyname fwiw I like the idea, will try to review | 21:56 |
| notmyname | appreciate it | 21:56 |
| notmyname | oh my, look at the time | 21:56 |
| notmyname | we're not going to get to the full agenda today :-( | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #topic other things (summary/wrap-up | 21:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other things (summary/wrap-up (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:57 | |
| notmyname | patch 202411 needs reviews | 21:57 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202411/ - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with... | 21:57 |
| notmyname | IMO, aside from release-blocking bugs, this one should be reviewed first | 21:57 |
| kota_ | \o/ | 21:57 |
| ho_away | yay! | 21:58 |
| notmyname | even if you hate it technically, we definitely owe it to ho to do the reviews on it | 21:58 |
| notmyname | (and you probably don't hate it anyway ;-) | 21:58 |
| acoles | yup | 21:58 |
| notmyname | point is, go review that one | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | ho_away: you had a few more things listed on the agenda related to | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #link patch 212824 needs eyes | 21:59 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ - Let developers/operators add watchers to object audit | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #undo | 21:59 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x9805350> | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/484089/ | 21:59 |
| notmyname | that one | 21:59 |
| ho_away | we don't have a time now so please check the url and the patches. | 21:59 |
| notmyname | what to do with even-nbumber of replicas | 21:59 |
| cschwede | yep, and especially patch 266199 from ho. pls see ho’s and mine discussion there | 22:00 |
| patchbot | cschwede: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266199/ - Fix deleting containers behavior when half of cont... | 22:00 |
| notmyname | and cbartz, I'm sorry we don't have time to get to your tempurl with cotainer-level scope | 22:00 |
| cbartz | ok, please just look over the review again | 22:00 |
| ho_away | cschwede: thanks! | 22:00 |
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| cbartz | just wanted to retrieve some more feedback | 22:00 |
| notmyname | I'll leave it on the agenda for next week, but let's not wait until then to think about it :-) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | time's up | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming! great work on swift, everyone | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 20 22:00:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-01-20-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-01-20-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-01-20-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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