Thursday, 2015-12-17

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thinrichsHi all00:01
thinrichsTime for the Congress meeting00:01
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:01
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bryan_atthi all00:02
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thinrichsbryan_att: glad you could join us today!  I'll put you on the agenda.00:02
bryan_attthanks, I have a few questions00:02
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thinrichsHere's our agenda for the day:00:03
thinrichs1. distributed arch00:03
thinrichs2. python3 status00:03
thinrichs3. mid-cycle meetup00:03
thinrichs4. Tempest and gate00:03
thinrichs5. bryan_att and install00:03
thinrichsAnything else?00:03
thinrichs#topic distributed arch00:05
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thinrichsWe now have the core of the new arch up in gerrit:00:05
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247232/00:05
thinrichsmasahito left a comment about how to fix the test.00:05
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thinrichspballand: did you want to make that change and merge it, or should we merge it now and let masahito fix it?00:06
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pballandI confirmed the fix masahito pointed out00:06
pballandI am now putting all of the other pieces back in00:06
pballandI can push the existing skeleton with the fix00:06
pballand(it is already in my local repo)00:06
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thinrichsI jumped the gun a bit.  So that change is ready, and you've got another change you're working on to fold everything else back in.00:07
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pballandjust pushed that fix; still prepping the bigger change with the control bus back in00:08
pballandbaby steps :)00:08
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thinrichsRun into any other issues yet?00:08
masahitohi00:09
pballandno - it appears to be working as one would expect - wish we had know about that sooner00:09
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thinrichsMoving forward, let's do this….00:09
thinrichsWe'll merge the patch you just pushed.00:09
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thinrichsThen let's make sure that we don't get blocked again.00:09
thinrichsSo if we hit a problem, push what's there to review and crowdsource the problem.00:10
pballandsounds good00:10
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thinrichsEspecially given that we have people working around the clock (i.e. in the U.S. and Asia), even pushing problems at the end of the day let's people make progress on them overnight.00:10
thinrichsAnd once there's enough functionality merged that we can try to hook up datasources, API, policy engines, let us know so we can parallellize that effort.00:11
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thinrichsekcs: you picked up the remaining distributed arch blueprint.  Any problems/questions/concerns?00:12
thinrichspballand, masahito: I'm glad to see we're making progress again.  Nice work!00:12
ekcsthinrichs: As I was constructing test case to frame the problem, I came across this issue that I don’t quite understand yet.00:13
ekcs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258711/300:14
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ekcsOther than that, things are progressing.00:14
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thinrichsekcs: I just saw your email and responded.  See if that makes sense.00:16
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thinrichsFor everyone else….00:17
thinrichsI think there's a race condition on how many of the messages get delivered and processed.00:18
ekcsthinrichs: kind of makes sense. but based on my prelim understanding of the retry_check_db_equal code, it will retry until all updates have been dequeued and processed.00:18
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thinrichsHmmm…. maybe that's not the right answer.00:19
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thinrichsI thought there was a race condition where when 2 messages are published, you don't know whether they will both be processed or just 1 will be processed.00:20
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thinrichsBut ekcs is right: the code that is checking a condition should wait until the condition becomes true, which should force both the messages to be processed.00:20
ekcssorry for the terse info on the review page. I’ll add more explanation now.00:20
thinrichsekcs: I'd have the test print out the results of that query at every step.  It'll be annoying b/c it prints out a bunch, but it'll show you what it's getting.00:20
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thinrichsMoving on…00:21
thinrichs#topic python300:21
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thinrichsekcs pushed us all the way to python3 compatibility00:21
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thinrichsI put a patch together to make python34 voting now, which means that code doesn't get merged if it's not python34 compatible.00:22
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255621/400:22
thinrichsI've had a few issues with it.  If someone can do a sanity check so Andreas doesn't have to find another bug, that'd be helpful.00:23
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thinrichs#topic Mid-cycle meet-up00:23
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thinrichsI put all the info for the meet-up into the usual wiki...00:24
thinrichs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints00:24
thinrichsHere's the page…00:24
thinrichs#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/CongressMitakaSprint00:24
thinrichsWe have a location, date, time, and agenda.00:24
thinrichsAny questions?00:24
thinrichs#topic Tempest and the gate00:26
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thinrichsWe had a gate breakage b/c of a keystone test failure.00:26
thinrichsramineni: anything special about this one or your fix?00:26
raminenithinrichs: its again the failure we hit because of migration00:27
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raminenithinrichs: migration of tempest00:27
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thinrichsSo we should still expect those from time to time, right?00:27
raminenithinrichs: yes00:27
thinrichsramineni: thanks for staying on top of those!00:28
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raminenithinrichs: stable/liberty different job patch got merged00:28
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raminenithinrichs: but we still have a problem :(00:28
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thinrichsramineni: remind me which one got merged00:29
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raminenihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/250598/00:29
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thinrichsRight—the one that uses a different devstack job to test kilo/liberty00:29
thinrichsramineni: what's the new problem?00:30
ramineniyes00:30
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raminenithinrichs: thought tempest plugin arch is mrged on liberty branch , but looks like it isnt part of stable liberty00:30
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raminenithinrichs: i should change the job not to use, my bad should have checked before :(00:30
thinrichsHow is something merged into liberty but not on the stable branch?  The only branches we have are … master, stable/kilo, stable/liberty.00:31
raminenithinrichs: not sure , https://github.com/openstack/congress/tree/stable/liberty00:32
raminenithinrichs: there is no congress_tempest_tests here00:32
thinrichsMaybe that got merged after we cut the liberty branch, and we didn't backport it.00:33
thinrichsWell at least the fix is straightforward right?  It just means another review that goes through infra.00:33
ramineniyep, i didnt notice it , i thought it merged long before , should be on liberty00:33
ramineniyes00:33
ramineniwill raise one more patch today .. hopefully that should fix the issue on liberty gate failures00:34
thinrichsramineni: thanks for seeing this through.  Sounds like you're on top of it.00:34
thinrichsbryan_att: you're next00:35
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thinrichs#topic Install00:35
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bryan_attok00:35
thinrichsbryan_att: could you give us some background and then ask your questions?00:35
bryan_attsure00:35
bryan_attI'm working on a manual/scripted install process based upon the congress readme and the Ansible installer playbook I got from VMWare a while back.00:35
bryan_atthttps://wiki.opnfv.org/copper/academy/joid/congress00:35
bryan_attI didn't get all the way (got most of the way) with Ansible so I fell back to scripting this in bash one step at a time.00:35
bryan_attI will bring it back to Ansible, then MAAS/JuJu, Fuel/Puppet, RDO, etc so I get the widest OPNFV installer support, over time.00:35
bryan_attAt the least I will have a post-OPNFV-installer that works with OpenStack as deployed by these different infra mgmt tools.00:36
bryan_attFor now, I have a repeatable install process, and have passed various adhoc tests plus the "tox -epy27" tests.00:36
bryan_attFirst Question I have, is how the congress tempest tests relate to the the "tox -epy27" tests.00:36
thinrichsbryan_att: they are completely unrelated00:36
thinrichsthe tox -epy27 runs a bunch of unit tests00:37
thinrichsThose are all just basic python tests that we run all the time00:37
bryan_attOK, I need to know how to integrate the tempest tests into our OPNFV CI process, so a pointer to that in the docs will be appreciated.00:37
thinrichsThe tempest tests assume there's an entire openstack cloud running and then checks that congress is behaving properly when interacting with the other projects.00:38
bryan_attyes, that's our assumption as well00:38
thinrichsYou would integrate the Congress tempest tests the same way you'd integrate any other OpenStack project's tempest tests.00:38
bryan_attthe tests run once the openstack and all components are installed00:38
thinrichsbryan_att: yep00:38
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thinrichsramineni: do you know if we have docs that detail how to run the tempest tests?00:39
bryan_attok, just to let you know that's an objective. I will look for how to do it. OPNFV People running the base system tests should already know.00:39
ramineniwe have readme on running tempest tests , im not sure if that what is you are expecting00:40
bryan_attI will look at the readme. A link is appreciated.00:40
thinrichsTry this...00:40
thinrichs#link https://github.com/openstack/congress/tree/master/congress_tempest_tests/tests00:40
raminenihttps://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress_tempest_tests/tests/README.rst00:40
bryan_attthanks00:40
bryan_attNext, some other questions / suggestions are being accumulated. How/when to bring these to the Congress team is an open question.00:40
bryan_attI know you are all very busy. But want to get started on these to get more engaged in the project.00:41
thinrichsWe always like feedback!00:41
thinrichsI'd recommend an email, probably to the mailing list, if you're comfortable with that.00:41
bryan_attI'll give you a quick overview now, and we can followup.00:41
thinrichsGreat!00:41
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bryan_att#1 is that Horizon is not showing the Policy tab.00:41
bryan_attNo idea why.00:42
thinrichsjwy: you here?00:42
thinrichsjwy is our expert on Horizon00:42
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bryan_attok, a followup or irc sidebar would be great00:42
bryan_attas background: The use cases I am focusing on are shown in the OPNFV Copper document at http://artifacts.opnfv.org/copper/docs/design/index.html00:43
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thinrichsseems she's not here00:43
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bryan_att(these may seem off-base and hypothetical)00:43
bryan_attBut I'm struggling to find a lot of use cases I can achieve through the datasources currently supported by Congress.00:43
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bryan_attI may suggest additional datasource table columns, if I can find the type of data/relations supporting the use cases, in the OpenStack component data structures.00:43
raminenibryan_att: have u checked , ui files of congress are copied to horizon dashboard directory00:43
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bryan_attdoes that assume that congress is running on the same server as horizon?00:44
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bryan_attI have congress running in a LXC container on the same host as horizon, but horizon is also running in a container.00:45
bryan_attthe deployment for JOID is shown at https://wiki.opnfv.org/copper/academy00:45
bryan_attThe first diagram there.00:45
bryan_attThat's one idea I had, i.e. that the install instructions assume the same host.00:46
thinrichsHmmmm… not sure about the container issues.  But I'd imagine that if you copy the files into Horizon's container it should work.00:46
masahitobryan_att: No. Horizon related files are keeped in congress repo. contrib/horizon/*. we need to copy it under horizon repo if you want to use.00:46
bryan_attOK, I just need to know what to copy from the congress install to horizon and where to copy it to.00:47
raminenibryan_att: i think horizon should be able to automatically identify the plugins installed in env, but yes copying files should work00:47
raminenibryan_att: i did that for testing my bug :)00:47
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thinrichsramineni: do plugins work across containers?  I'd be surprised.00:47
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bryan_attOK, I wasn't sure how Horizon was discovering the plugins.00:47
thinrichsWe're running a bit short on time.00:47
ramineniim also not sure about containers , how would it wrk00:47
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bryan_attOK, I can send the rest to the list.00:48
thinrichsbryan_att: do you have a long list?00:48
bryan_attGetting there... I can dump it here00:48
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thinrichsWe have time to discuss more, but I want to leave some time for open discussion.00:48
bryan_attok00:49
bryan_attSome items include: How to create tables for use in policies; How to do string operations, e.g. simple compares with wildcards; How to add metadata/tags to various openstack databases for use by congress policies.00:49
thinrichsA dump sounds good, so we have a sense of the breadth of issues.00:49
raminenibryan_att: i can share exact location where to copy seeing my dev , please ping me on IRC later00:49
bryan_attOK, will do00:49
bryan_attIn testing, I seemed to get the congress database off into the weeds after a while:00:49
bryan_att- some tables get created that I am not expecting, or that I can't delete (or don't get deleted) through the API e.g. when the related policy is created00:49
bryan_att- "rule already exists" error when it doesn't or at least is not retrieved for any existing policy I created00:49
bryan_attetc00:50
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bryan_attThat's about all I have written down00:50
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bryan_atta few more I am scratching my head over though00:50
thinrichsbryan_att: that's great feedback!00:50
bryan_attok, that's about all for me\00:51
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thinrichsbryan_att: if you could put that into an email, we can create a buglist and get to work fixing them.00:51
bryan_attwill do00:51
thinrichsbryan_att: don't forget to include the version of congress you're using: kilo/liberty/master00:51
thinrichsbryan_att: thanks!00:51
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:52
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bryan_attI'm using stable/liberty00:52
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thinrichsbryan_att: that's the right one to be using.00:52
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thinrichsOpen topics?  We haven't done status updates for a while, so that's a good topic too.00:52
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masahitoMy update is here.00:54
masahitoI pushed push-type-datasource-driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256303/00:54
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thinrichsmasahito: that's some cool stuff!00:55
thinrichsI took a look, let's have others take a look too.00:55
masahitoIt's a first implementation. so feel free to comment it to improve the feature.00:56
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thinrichsThat's a completely new way to get data into the system, so I'd imagine we'll want several people to think about it.00:56
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thinrichsIt's a great first cut!00:57
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masahitoYes. And I noticed monasca team seems to want the driver for monasca. I'll revise it as much as possible by mid-cycle.00:58
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thinrichsAll right.  We're out of time.00:59
thinrichsThanks all!00:59
thinrichsWe'll meet next week, but probably not the week after that.00:59
thinrichs#endmeeting00:59
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masahitothanks, bye!01:00
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DaisyHi, we will start I18n meeting now13:03
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 13:03:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:03
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Daisywho is here for I18n meeting ?13:03
ujucme13:04
eumel8I'm here :)13:04
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ujuco/13:04
ianychoi_phoneHello i am outside but keep being here using my phone13:04
katomoHi13:05
DaisyHi, ujuc, eumel8, ianychoi_phone, katomo13:05
DaisyLet's start.13:05
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Daisy#topic Status update: Liberty installation guide translation13:05
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Daisymy network is very slow. Freshing Zanata home page now.13:07
DaisyI think we plan to finish installation guide translation in Jan.13:07
DaisyFrom the progress, Japanese team and Chinese team have good progress.13:07
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DaisyI wonder if any other language teams want to finish the translation of installation guide.13:08
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Daisyujuc: does Korean team have any plan ?13:08
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eumel8for German: I'm finished the Upstream training guide now and I'm on 91% on the wiki page with Liberty Release Notes. Will focus on the Installation guide starting on the beginning next year13:09
ujuci think meddle jan13:09
ianychoi_phone:)13:09
eumel8and recruiting more people for translation team :)13:09
DaisyThank you for the update, eumel8 and ujuc13:10
ujuc1/10-1/2013:10
DaisyGood work. I think we could have 4 languages translated for installation guide. It will be a good achievement.13:10
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DaisyChinese team will finish both the review and the translation in Jan.13:11
DaisyLet's move to next topic13:11
Daisy#topic Discussion: Midcycle spring/virtual spring13:11
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Daisyhttp://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/open-design.html13:11
DaisyIt's near the mid term of Mitaka dev cycle now.13:12
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DaisyProject team can plan the mid cycle spring now.13:12
DaisyThere are two kinds of springs. One is a face to face meet up, the other is a virtual spring.13:13
DaisyDo you want a face to face meet up? Could our I18n members get the sponsor for the travel ? :))13:14
eumel8It's in Austin or another location?13:14
DaisyNo, it's a midcycle, not in Austin. We could plan any place.13:14
ianychoi_phoneThen it could be in Jan-Feb?13:15
DaisyYes, in Jan or in Feb.13:15
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ujucHu...13:15
katomoWhat is topic?13:16
DaisyIf we are not able to meet face to face in the midcycle, we could plan a virtual spring.13:16
katomo*sprint13:16
ujucVirtual sprint +113:16
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DaisyMidcycle meet up is more like a small design summit. We could schedule as we want.13:16
ianychoi_phoneVirtual sprint +113:16
katomo+1 for virtual sprint13:17
eumel8near to you, Daisy. Or virtual13:17
Daisy:)13:17
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DaisyI vote for virtual too.13:17
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Daisyok. Then let's plan a virtual sprint.13:18
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eumel8+113:18
DaisyAccording to our plans at the beginning of this cycle,13:18
Daisyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-i18n-meetup13:18
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DaisyThere are two items far behind.13:18
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DaisyOne is translation check website. The other is translators contribution in stackayltics.13:19
DaisyI hope to hold a sprint for translation check website13:19
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DaisyI don't know if adiantum could agree to hold a sprint for the stackayltics feature.13:19
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katomohmmm, translation check website is very important.13:20
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DaisyWe could use 2 days, working together to push the progress of translation check website.13:21
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katomogreat13:22
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eumel8sounds good13:22
DaisyIf we are not able to use work hours, we may use the one day of weekend. :)13:22
ujuc_+1x1000013:22
Daisymaybe a Friday and a Saturday. I don't know. Because I know some of you are working for OpenStack I18n in spare time.13:23
eumel8also if there always some requirements described for the check site13:23
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ianychoi_phoneOne question, for virtual meeting, can we use virtual meeting systems like gotomeeting?13:23
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eumel8for me is Fri/Sat okay13:24
katomoFriday and Saturday sounds reasonable13:24
eumel8but not the 19th Feb ;)13:25
Daisyujuc_: :))13:25
DaisyThen I will make a plan, and will communicate through mailing list.13:25
Daisyany suggestions to this topic ?13:25
DaisyI mean, any other suggestions to the sprint ?13:25
DaisyI may schedule a date in the last tens of Jan.13:25
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DaisyIf we could make something happen, maybe we can schedule one more sprint for the stackalytics feature.13:26
DaisyOne virtual sprint in the end of Jan. If it's a successful experience, we can schedule one more sprint in Feb.13:27
katomoCan we submit the ATC list for the ATC discount code of Austin summit?13:27
DaisyIt's a good question, katomo13:27
DaisyThere are two ways. One is manually submitting as before, the other is to change the ATC collection program to auto collecting.13:28
DaisyI think there is a program in infra repo to collect ATC names.13:28
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DaisyWe need to decide the principles for ATC, the time period and the translation words.13:29
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ianychoi_phoneI suggest: 200 words for Liberty and 200 words for Mitaka cycle for ATC13:30
katomosame as before? any change?13:30
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DaisyI think we need some changes.13:31
katomohmmm13:31
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DaisyBecause the rules for dev ATC are getting strict.13:31
DaisyLess time and more contributions than before.13:31
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DaisyLast release, when I submit the ATC name list to governance repo, I have gotten the warning.13:32
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eumel8less time and more contribution? How this will work?13:32
DaisyThe period is changing from 1 year to 6 month.13:32
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eumel8ah, you mean the timeframe?13:33
Daisyonly 1 patch is not enough for getting a ticket. More patches are required.13:33
DaisyYes, eumel813:33
ianychoi_phoneNo. Andreas said that ATC is for one year and summit pass is for 6 months13:33
DaisyATC period is for 1 year.13:33
DaisyYou are right, ianychoi_phone. I'm talking about the ticket pass.13:34
Daisywhat we are talking now then?13:34
ianychoi_phoneOkay, got it.13:34
DaisySorry I may misunderstand.13:34
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Daisykatomo: are you talking about ATC or the ticket pass ?13:34
katomoboth13:35
Daisyok.13:35
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katomoATC is 2 cycle, code is 1 cycle.13:35
eumel8In Zanata I have words, messages and documents. How big is a patch?13:36
DaisyWe need a volunteer to look at the mechanism of other projects ATC and ticket, and design our mechanism for our ATC and ticket13:36
katomoI thik ticket pass is more important for most people13:36
DaisyI agree, katomo.13:36
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Daisykatomo: I think the mechanism for Austin ticket may be not decided.13:37
Daisythe rules, I mean.13:38
katomohmmm13:38
Daisykatomo: could you find out ?13:38
ianychoi_phoneOkay let's discuss through mailing list and talk later...13:38
katomoI dont know13:38
Daisyok, katomo13:38
ianychoi_phoneI will think about it but not sure whether i might find good decision..13:39
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Daisyianychoi_phone: thank you.13:39
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katomoI believe Tom know13:39
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DaisyI could contact Tom.13:40
ianychoi_phoneDaisy. You are welcome:)13:40
ianychoi_phone+1 Tom13:40
Daisy:)13:40
eumel8I'll take also a look into13:40
ujuc_:)13:40
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DaisyLet topic is related with the ATC rules.13:40
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Daisy#topic Discussion: remove openstack from Transifex ?13:41
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DaisyThis topic is related with the ATC and ticket rules.13:41
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Daisyianychoi_phone: I read your emails. I think I won't support to merge the contribution data of Transifex and Zanata. It's hard to implement.13:42
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ianychoi_phoneDaisy: I understand it. Don't worry too much about merging stuff..13:43
DaisyWhen we decide to delete OpenStack from Transifex, we will not consider the statistic data in Transifex any more.13:43
eumel8are the information not already in git?13:44
ianychoi_phoneJust querying from April to Oct and share to check atc status.. That will be sufficient i think13:44
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ianychoi_phoneOther requirement would be listing all the members in Transifex.. to acknowledge them IMO...13:47
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Daisy_back13:47
Daisy_anything I missed ?13:47
katomoeumel8: no13:47
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katomothe translations themselves is in git.13:48
Daisy_Could we have a vote here now ? Or do we wait for the answers for the ATC and ticket rules ?13:48
katomono stats13:48
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katomookay13:48
ianychoi_phoneJust querying from April to Oct and share to check atc status.. That will be sufficient i think...13:49
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katomovote time!13:49
ianychoi_phone(Copying and pasting)13:49
ianychoi_phoneGood13:49
ujuc_vote!13:49
ianychoi_phoneLet's vote13:49
eumel8If older information about atc status only in Transiflex so we have to keep them or put the separated information in a git13:49
Daisy_Then vote for deleting openstack from Transifex13:50
Daisy_who support ?13:50
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Daisy_-1. I prefer to wait till the ATC and ticket rules are clear. Not immediately delete in a hurry.13:52
ianychoi_phoneI will follow Daisy's suggestion!!13:53
Daisy_ianychoi_phone: :)13:53
Daisy_eumel8, katomo, ujuc_?13:54
Daisy_adiantum: I don't know if you are here.13:54
eumel8@ianychoi_phone: so, it's not easy to collect the information about atc?13:54
eumel8+1 if you have the information for atc, -1 if not13:55
ianychoi_phoneI think.. it would not be difficult but we need to make some clear guidelines...13:55
Daisy_ianychoi_phone: I will spend some time to figure out.13:55
eumel8okay, not clear - then -113:55
katomo+1. Save the stats from April to Oct, and delete from Transifex.13:55
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ujuc_-113:56
Daisy_ok. 4 -1.13:56
ianychoi_phoneDaisy_: thanks. katomo: i agree that will be sufficient but let's find other possible issues..13:56
Daisy_Let's continue to discuss in the mailing list.13:57
eumel8yes13:57
ujuc_yes13:57
ianychoi_phoneOkay!13:57
Daisy_I will send my investigation result to ML next week.13:57
katomoAnother one is horizon kilo translation13:57
katomok13:57
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Daisy_#topic Open discussion13:57
Daisy_katomo: what do you mean ?13:57
Daisy_Another one is horizon kilo translation ?13:57
katomostable-kilo doesn't exist at Zanata13:58
katomostable-kilo is life.13:58
Daisy_Yeah. It's a good point.13:58
ianychoi_phoneNice point, katomo :)13:58
Daisy_stable-kilo should be in git , I think.13:58
Daisy_We have 1 minute left.13:59
Daisy_more discussions could go to i18n channel.13:59
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katomothanks, all13:59
Daisy_Thank you all for attending the meeting.13:59
ianychoi_phoneBut data is in each project repo for each project13:59
eumel8thx also13:59
ianychoi_phoneThanks all14:00
Daisy_It is so nice to talk with you.14:00
Daisy_#endmeeting14:00
ujuc_thx :)14:00
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Daisy_#endmeeting14:00
ujuc_um .. meeting bot down?14:01
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Daisy_I don't know. Nothing happened.14:02
Daisy_#endmeeting14:02
ianychoi_phoneStrange...14:02
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Daisy_the bot is down14:03
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Daisy_#endmeeting14:06
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Dec 17 14:06:35 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:06
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Daisy_finally success. :)14:06
ianychoi_phoneThanks so much, Daisy_!14:07
Daisy_Thank you, ianychoi_phone.14:07
ianychoi_phone:)14:07
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gordc#startmeeting telemetry15:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'telemetry'15:00
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cdento/15:01
gordcphew. wasn't sure if i had time right15:01
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ildikovo/15:01
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silehto/15:01
_nadya_o/15:01
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gordclet's go.15:02
gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap15:02
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lluo/15:02
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ityaptino/15:02
gordcum... nothing really from me here.15:02
gordci guess we have a few new specs posted15:02
gordchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/258283/15:02
r-mibuo/15:03
gordc^ that may be controversial15:03
gordci'd probably suggest everyone ask their product teams if that's cool15:03
gordc(or if they are using alarms)15:03
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gordcanyone with spec related work? before we head off for holidays?15:04
_nadya_gordc: yep, all customers I know use mongo15:04
gordc_nadya_: even for alarms?15:04
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_nadya_gordc: yep15:04
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gordcis it because they are sharing a single db?15:04
_nadya_I didn't see the usage of separate_db_for_alarms feature15:05
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_nadya_gordc: yep, I think it's mostly because it's by default15:05
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gordcoh... i mean it's default for testing.15:06
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gordci wouldn't say it's default for real life.15:06
jd__o/15:06
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gordci really hope people aren't looking at devstack and saying 'that's how we'll deploy'15:06
_nadya_gordc: I meant they additional configuration is needed to use mongo for meters but sql for alarms15:06
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gordc_nadya_: definitely. two dbs are needed.15:07
idegtiarovo/15:07
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gordcbut you have two different services too.15:07
gordc_nadya_: keep in mind, 'ceilometer alarms' is gone.15:07
_nadya_gordc: probably you mean ceilometer alarms :)15:08
_nadya_yep15:08
gordc_nadya_: maybe check with your product team on how they use aodh15:08
_nadya_all customers I'm talking about uses Kilo :)15:08
gordc_nadya_: lol got it15:08
gordcat least it's not icehouse anymore15:08
_nadya_gordc: regarding specs, one question from me15:08
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gordcsure15:09
_nadya_gordc: timeseries dispatcher - is it viable?15:09
_nadya_let me find a link15:09
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_nadya_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216838/15:10
gordc_nadya_: i'm not going to block it...15:10
gordcalthough i think if someone works on it. it should be out of tree.15:10
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gordci really don't want to learn another db and try to pretend i'm an expert in it15:11
_nadya_ok, I see15:11
gordc_nadya_: it should be able to be built in own repo and have same testing.15:11
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gordcrohit_: ^ did you start working on it for monasca?15:12
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_nadya_gordc: probably, the repositories should be under telemetry? especially if we are talking about monasca15:12
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gordc_nadya_: well they don't necessarily have to be managed by us ( i think some projects would get angry if that did happen )15:13
rohit_gordc: yes, working on the diff repo approach for monasca-ceilometer15:13
gordc_nadya_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry15:13
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gordc_nadya_: that's how we've been tracking projects associated/extending some parts of aodh/ceilometer/gnocchi15:14
gordcrohit_: cool stuff. let us know if you run into anything.15:14
_nadya_ah, right, I remember this :)15:14
gordc_nadya_: are you working on the timeseries dispatcher or you asking about status?15:14
rohit_Gordc:  www.github.com/openstack/monasca-ceilometer15:14
rohit_gordc: sure15:15
_nadya_gordc: no, I don't work on this. I just hear that some people want influx but not as a part of Gnocchi15:15
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gordc_nadya_: sure. um. well i don't think we have anyone actually working on it so...15:17
gordc_nadya_: whatever people want to work on i guess. just don't expect the resource to magically appear :)15:17
_nadya_gordc: probably. I was interested in status from community perspective15:18
_nadya_jd__: sorry :)15:18
gordc_nadya_: personally i think the current api is way too verbose so it's probably in best interest to not continue shoving different dbs at it.15:18
jd__;)15:18
gordc_nadya_: but that's just personal view. i'm sure others have differing comments15:19
_nadya_ok, I think we can move on15:19
gordc_nadya_: kk. so yeah long story short, it's there, no one is working onit.15:19
gordcanyone else before we move on to aodh?15:20
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gordc#topic aodh15:20
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gordcanyone have updates here? not relating to discussion above regarding db support in aodh15:21
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gordc#topic ceilometer15:22
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gordcfloor is yours15:22
gordc_nadya_: ^15:22
_nadya_cool15:22
r-mibugordc: sorry, one question to you regarding aodh15:22
gordcr-mibu: sure15:23
r-mibuare you working on aodhclient?15:23
gordc#topic aodh15:23
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gordcr-mibu: oh, yeah. i probably should've mentioned that15:23
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gordchttps://github.com/chungg/python-aodhclient15:23
gordci have this created.15:23
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r-mibunice!15:24
gordcit basically is a copy of gnocchiclient with all the gnocchi ripped out15:24
jd__cool!15:24
gordci'll work on adding it to openstack repo and then we can start adding in the appropriate commands15:24
lluhooray :)15:24
r-mibuhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/258552/15:25
r-mibuis this also related to aodhclient?15:25
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gordcr-mibu: yeah.15:25
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gordcjd__: you have a patch that is even better?15:25
gordcr-mibu: basically i need that because when we bring in aodh tarball into aodhclient for testing, it doesn't pull in test-requirements15:26
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r-mibuah, ok15:26
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jd__yes15:27
r-mibuthanks15:27
gordcjd__: shall we wait for it?15:27
llugordc: newbie question, why need pymysql for a clientlib?15:27
llushould it all about restful API?15:27
gordcllu: we have functional tests in our client which actually call service15:27
gordcso the test will actually spin up aodh-api service15:28
jd__gordc: he's online and ready to be arpproved15:28
gordcjd__: oh ok. i'll look later.15:29
gordci guess that gate job does nothing ;)15:29
lluthen why the aodh itself doesn't bring in pymysql?15:29
gordcllu: it does, but it's a test-requirement... so it's not 'really' bringing it in15:29
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jd__my patch fixes that15:30
jd__bright smile15:30
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gordchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/25861315:31
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gordcall's good?15:33
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cdentEVERYTHING15:33
gordctoo optimistic15:34
gordctone it down15:34
gordc#topic ceilometer: distributed cache15:34
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gordc_nadya_: sorry. now is good.15:34
_nadya_so, I'd like to talk about nova polling improving15:34
_nadya_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209799/15:34
_nadya_as I understand, the main show stopper now is multiple notification agents running15:35
_nadya_gordc: is this correct?15:35
_nadya_liusheng: hi :)15:35
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gordc_nadya_: sort of... also having a really tight coupling between polling agents and notification agents15:36
_nadya_gordc: is this bad?15:36
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gordc_nadya_: slight preference if we could avoid it.15:37
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gordcbut i guess biggest problem was multiple notificaiton agents, and the global cache required.15:38
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_nadya_gordc: ok. so my question is: what options do we have about distr cache?15:39
gordcwe can connect to pollsters to the cache15:39
_nadya_gordc: do I understand correctly that we cannot store only recent metadata?15:39
gordc_nadya_: i think we can store the metadata.15:40
_nadya_gordc: the latest only?15:40
gordcwhatever 'metadata' is15:40
llucan we first figure out in what situations the nova instance metadata will change without getting notified from hypervisor?15:40
gordc... what do you want with old metadata?15:41
gordcllu: you mean from an event?15:41
_nadya_gordc: out-of-order samples15:41
gordc_nadya_: if the cache is at notification agent?15:42
llugordc: can we directly listen to hypervisor callback for a change? ang get the latest metadata in compute agent through nova api?15:42
_nadya_gordc: yep15:42
gordcllu: i'm not sure how that works? does it work like how 'changes-since' param wors?15:43
lluthat's why i'm asking if we know any situations in nova in which vm instance metadata changes, but without any hypervisor notification15:43
gordc_nadya_: i'm not sure how you'd handle it something that is already been processed in your pipeline and sent to collector/db/somewhere else15:44
_nadya_llu: as I understand, we are afraid that we may lost notifications15:44
gordcllu: i think the proposal was liusheng doesn't want to make that secondary call to check if we need to grab metadata15:44
_nadya_gordc: ok, take a look at my comment for the spec when you have time15:45
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gordcright now we grab meter value, and then do a secondary call to check if we need to use metadata15:45
lluoops, sorry i might be out of date for that spec15:45
gordcs/use/get/15:45
gordcllu: no worries. so am i.15:45
gordc_nadya_: sure, i'll read comment15:46
_nadya_that's sad that liusheng is not here :(15:46
_nadya_I wanted to do some POC during the christmas holidays15:46
gordci think he's sleeping... or partying... or something.lol15:47
_nadya_ok then... So may I ask about distributed cache for transformers? :)15:47
gordc_nadya_: i do understand his proposal though (since i work with him)15:47
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gordc_nadya_: go ahead15:47
jd__transformers? robots like in the movies?15:48
gordcjd__: save them for future15:49
_nadya_gordc: I think I should prepare some test results to prove that it works?15:49
gordc_nadya_: sure? i'm not really sure how we prove it works.lol15:50
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gordclike it doesn't create bottleneck?15:50
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_nadya_gordc: 200 000 messages in queue. The first run 10 notification agents  with current architecture. Collect rate metrics. The second run is the same data with the cache.15:51
gordcbut you'd still need to validate the output?15:52
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gordcalso, we need to validate it works for all the different transfomers.15:52
_nadya_yep, I think that test data may be just continuously increasing data15:53
gordcbut yeah i guess go ahead if this is something you're interested in :)15:53
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_nadya_ok15:53
gordcor you could find someone else doing the same... i know the requeue architecture is people use (not saying i did a lot of research)15:54
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gordclet's go to llu really quick15:54
gordc#topic gnocchi: bad resource id15:54
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gordcllu: go^15:54
gordc6 min :)15:54
lluit's all from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/151833815:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1518338 in Ceilometer "Ceilometer doesn't build the data correclty for Gnocchi when you send hypervisors HW metrics using snmpd and agent-central" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lianhao Lu (lianhao-lu)15:54
gordchttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082474.html15:54
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lluafter the email discussiion, the things i got from there are:15:55
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llu1. add quote into gnocchiclient to support "/" as in resource_id15:55
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gordcllu: that won't work :)15:55
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lluwhy?15:56
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lludidn't know that15:56
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gordcllu: we tried. i need to dig history but it'll resolve it even if you encode it15:56
gordccdent: ^15:56
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cdentgordc?15:56
gordccdent: read 5 lines15:57
gordcor 615:57
cdentI did15:57
gordcit don't work? right?15:57
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gordcthe encoding '/' bit15:57
cdentI haven't tried the various tricks in gnocchi, but in general it's web server dependent on how to solve it.15:57
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cdentThe lame way to deal with it is to double encode, something like %252F15:58
gordcllu 2.? :)15:58
cdentbut I hate that. Depending on the wsgi container being used you can get at the raw url15:58
gordccdent: ok. and that works in all cases?15:58
gordccdent: got it15:59
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llu2. add a new attribute into generic resource type to store the user passed in original id15:59
cdentIt's not a problem I've tried to solve the lame way. I've done things like this:15:59
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gordc2. that could make sense15:59
gordcjd__: ?15:59
llu3. add new resource type for snmp metrics and nova compute metrics15:59
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emaganagordc and cdent we are going to start the next meeting16:00
cdenthttps://github.com/tiddlyweb/tiddlyweb/blob/master/tiddlyweb/web/serve.py#L9516:00
* cdent waves16:00
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gordcaight. let's carry on at ceilomter16:00
gordc#endmeeting16:00
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Dec 17 16:00:30 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:00
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emaganaThanks!16:00
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Sam-I-Amhello16:00
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emaganaHello Folks!16:01
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emagana#startmeeting networking-guide16:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 16:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_guide'16:01
john-davidgeHi o/16:01
Sam-I-Amhello16:01
emaganaLet's rock & roll16:01
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Sam-I-Amyep16:01
emaganaSam-I-Am john-davidge good to see you both... anyone else?16:01
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Sam-I-Amlooks pretty quiet16:02
emaganawell.. read you instead of seeing you..  :-)16:02
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emaganaSam-I-Am: holidays are here.. a lot of Christmas parties!16:02
Sam-I-Amyeah, its getting slow16:02
Sam-I-Amunless you're me... and you use this time to catch up on everything16:02
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Sam-I-Amalways a new rabbit hole16:02
emaganaLet's go over the agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NetworkingGuide/Meetings16:03
Sam-I-Ami needed to update our agenda and forgot...16:03
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emagana#topic announcements16:03
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emaganaAs everybody else we will not have the next IRC meeting16:03
Sam-I-Ami'm going to guess theres no apac meeting next week16:03
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emaganawhich mean the next IRC meeting will be on Jan 14th 201616:04
Sam-I-Amisnt there one before that?16:04
Sam-I-Amapac meeting... the week before?16:04
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emaganaSam-I-Am: Maybe the next.. give people more time to recovery  ;-)16:05
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john-davidgeemagana: You must be planning a big holiday party!16:06
emagana#action send a reminder about the next meeting16:06
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emaganajohn-davidge: I'm already drinking16:06
john-davidgeemagana: Me too! If coffee counts…16:06
emaganaSam-I-Am: you will be sending the one for APAC, correct?16:06
Sam-I-Amyeah16:06
Sam-I-Ami'll try to hold it16:07
emaganajohn-davidge: if you drink it, then it counts16:07
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Sam-I-Amcoffee here too. lots of it.16:07
emagana#topic review previous action items16:07
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emaganaLet's me start here16:07
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emaganaI made some changes on the wiki pages and I will continue that. The next one will be #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC16:08
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emaganaI sent the emails for the meeting but we obviously are not getting many responses  :-(16:08
Sam-I-Amwell, this isnt the only meeting16:09
Sam-I-Amdocs in general has few attendees :/16:09
Sam-I-Amvery frustrating16:09
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emaganaSam-I-Am: The times for the USA one is very hard for PST people16:10
Sam-I-Amits 8am there, no?16:10
emaganaI can't be ready and functional at 6am16:10
Sam-I-Amoh, the US docs meeting?16:10
john-davidgeYeah, 8am :(16:10
Sam-I-Ami'm trying to get that one moved16:11
Sam-I-Ami might just post a patch and see what happens16:11
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emaganaThe meeting is at 6am16:11
Sam-I-Ambut the apac meetings are empty too16:11
emaganaI can make it at 8am for sure..16:11
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emaganaanyway.. let's keep trying16:11
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Sam-I-Amyep16:12
Sam-I-Ammoving along...16:12
emaganaI prepared the etherpad with the sections that still need work #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide16:12
emaganawe will review some assignments as our next topic16:12
john-davidgeemagana: Nice!16:12
Sam-I-Amso much work to do16:13
Sam-I-Amand we have more things to add too :/16:13
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emaganaI still need to create the spec for all this changes, I will complete that before the holidays16:13
Sam-I-Amemagana: somewhere in there we need bgpvpn and bgprouting16:14
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Sam-I-Ami razzled those folks into contributing operator-centric docs to the networking guide16:14
emaganaSam-I-Am: Please, include them in the etherpad16:14
Sam-I-Ami sort of think we might need a restructuring to something like "experimental services"16:14
Sam-I-Amthey're not necessarily advanced, but not necessarily production-ready either16:15
Sam-I-Amtrying to get them to contribute scenarios16:15
Sam-I-Ambasically overlay these features on an existing deployment16:15
john-davidgeIPv6 PD would probably benefit from an ‘experimental’ section as well16:15
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Sam-I-Amso here's the problem16:16
Sam-I-Ama lot of these experimental projects need visibility to weed out bugs, but their only docs are devref "heres how you use it in a devstack all-in-one"16:16
Sam-I-Amwhich is completely useless to most operators16:16
emaganaSam-I-Am: I do agree with that16:16
Sam-I-Amhence why an experimental section of "heres how you make this work on a real deployment" makes sense for those people16:17
Sam-I-Amget them some visibility16:17
emaganaSam-I-Am: I dont think we can modify the scenarios until the experimental features are stable ones16:17
sc68caldevstack does have a multinode neutron guide.16:17
sc68calit may not be very good, since I wrote it :)16:17
sc68calbut yeah AIO needs to go the way of the dodo16:17
Sam-I-Amemagana: the existing stable scenarios stay... these experimental things can either a) add on to them b) create their own scenarios16:18
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emaganasc68cal: did not notice you were around!16:18
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: i need to go through that guide16:18
sc68calemagana: gotta ping me at 3AM local time16:18
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emaganaSam-I-Am: I vote for option b) cerate their own scenarios16:18
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: get me some multinode devstack w/ lots of neutron to break16:18
Sam-I-Amemagana: in some cases it might be as easy as "follow scenario A or B, then do this stuff to make X work"16:18
sc68calSam-I-Am: got 900 bucks? http://coreitpro.com/2015/11/11/devstack-home-lab-pt1.html16:19
Sam-I-Amwhich i think applies to things like bgproute16:19
Sam-I-Ammaybe vpnaas16:19
Sam-I-Am(which has nearly zero docs)16:19
emaganasc68cal: nice!16:19
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: i use cloud servars16:20
Sam-I-Amanywho...16:20
emaganaSo, do we have an agreement to cover the new features as new scenarios making references to existing ones?16:20
sc68cal++16:21
Sam-I-Am+16:21
Sam-I-Amwe'll give them options of what they can do16:21
Sam-I-Ami'd also like to add ipv6 to those scenarios16:21
john-davidge++16:21
* Sam-I-Am looks at sc68cal 16:21
Sam-I-Ams/i'd/sean'd16:21
emagana#info we will cover the new features as new scenarios making references to existing ones16:21
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emaganaok.. moving to the next action item16:22
sc68calSam-I-Am: careful, I may just delete ipv4 from all of the guide ;)16:22
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: i see nothing16:22
emaganaSam-I-Am: could you make a summary of the decisions around OVN and restructuring legacy scenarios (I read your email)16:22
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Sam-I-Amemagana: sure. typing...16:22
emaganasc68cal: Ohhhh!!!16:23
emaganaLong live IPv616:23
Sam-I-Ami sent an email to the ops list about how to address provider networks on existing scenarios... and mostly got nothing back16:23
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Sam-I-Amwhich sort of surprises me. either ops dont use the guide, or no one has an opinion16:23
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emaganaSam-I-Am: maybe we could try to be more direct  :-)16:23
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Sam-I-Amso i think i'll just add provider network support to the legacy ovs, lb, and l3ha scenarios and see what happens16:23
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emaganapicking specific operators and requesting input16:24
Sam-I-Amthe only response was really about our use of the word 'legacy'16:24
Sam-I-Amdo you have anyone in mind?16:24
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Sam-I-Amneutron users... or people looking to use neutron16:24
emaganaI can provide you a list!16:24
Sam-I-Amplease send me a list... i'll send another e-mail16:24
sc68calSam-I-Am: s/legacy/classic/g ?16:24
emagana#action emagana will send a list of operators to request input on the networking guide directly16:25
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: yeah, or conventional. something like that.16:25
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sc68cal"just like mom used to make" networking16:25
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emaganasince when networking becomes classic or conventional?16:25
Sam-I-Amthe idea around legacy was that l3ha and dvr would blow the original architectures away due to excessive awesome16:25
sc68caljohn-davidge: queen's networking? ;)16:25
Sam-I-Ambut that never happened16:25
Sam-I-Am(this was back in icehouse days)16:25
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Sam-I-Ami think we also need to develop a table that compares the scenarios16:26
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Sam-I-Amwith some consistent language... like provider/external/public network are more or less the same thing16:26
emaganaSam-I-Am: That is a great idea!16:26
Sam-I-Amso many words16:26
Sam-I-Amproject/tenant/private/internal oh my16:26
john-davidgesc68cal: “One must then restart One’s l3 agents forthwith…”16:26
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Sam-I-Amjohn-davidge: restarteth16:27
sc68calforsooth!16:27
emaganaSam-I-Am: I just want to be sure that we scope the guide properly for this release, and make it stable.. I hate that stupid WIP warning16:27
Sam-I-Amemagana: well, thats another topic here :)16:27
Sam-I-Amin a bit16:27
Sam-I-Ambut first... OVN16:27
emaganaSam-I-Am: Please go ahead!16:27
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Sam-I-Amso happens that politics trumped my plans to put OVN in the networking guide16:27
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emaganaSam-I-Am: why so much love for OVN? :-)16:28
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Sam-I-Amit opened the door to everyone dumping their stuff in the networking guide and we couldn't come up with a solid line that would include ovn but not everything else16:28
Sam-I-Amemagana: ovn finally makes ovs useful16:28
sc68calallegedly.16:28
Sam-I-Amrather than just a switch that overly complicates things16:28
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: i'm feeling positive16:28
emaganaSam-I-Am: I know.. I have my eyes on it!16:29
Sam-I-Amreplace l3 agent, includes distributed routing, no network node, will eventually do dhcp internally16:29
Sam-I-Amall of this sounds good on paper16:29
Sam-I-Amto me, the evolution of conventional OVS would be OVN, hence my interest in putting it in the net guide16:29
Sam-I-Ambut turns out ovn is not a ref arch and therefore considered 'third party' ... which opens the door to all sorts of bunk going into the net guide16:30
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Sam-I-Amand we want to keep the net guide as simple as possible16:30
emaganaSam-I-Am: was the input to wait a bit more while we put any documentation in the ref section for neutron?16:30
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Sam-I-Amthe idea now is to contribute docs to networking-ovn in such a fashion that we can easily port them to the openstack-manuals repo and net guide16:30
Sam-I-Amso... same work...  different repo16:31
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Sam-I-Amof/when ovn becomes a "thing" we move it over16:31
Sam-I-Amif16:31
Sam-I-Ammake sense?16:31
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emaganaSam-I-Am: got it.. I guess it makes sense.. we can move staff from the networking-ovn repo to the networking guide once it gets a better shape16:32
Sam-I-Ami'm implementing our conventions in their repo, so it should be easy(er) to move16:32
Sam-I-Amturns out devref uses a different set of characters for headers, but thats easy to fix16:32
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emaganaso, there is not action item regarding OVN for us at the moment, correct?16:33
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Sam-I-Amemagana: action item is removing the spec16:33
Sam-I-Amor just temporarily not publishing it16:33
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emagana#action remove the spec to include OVN in networking guide16:33
emaganaok, I want to move to review the etherpad and make some possible assignments, is it ok?16:34
Sam-I-Amemagana: sure. we also need to hit versioning.16:34
Sam-I-Amthat's sc68cal's thang16:34
emagana#topic review etherpad ToC16:35
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emagana#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide16:35
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Sam-I-Amemagana: i'd like to work on most of the "introduction" stuff ... you know, if time happens.16:36
emaganaI marked the section that need work and I included a preliminary prioritization L = Low, M and H16:36
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Sam-I-Amwe have some intro stuff, but a lot of it is still crap16:36
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Sam-I-Ami.e., not in a format that makes sense to people16:36
emaganaSam-I-Am: network components and tunneling needs some love, should I add your name to those?16:37
Sam-I-Amthe configuration stuff should be easy - i more or less want to cover what each config file does, and which one is necessary on which nodes.16:37
Sam-I-Amemagana: sure16:37
Sam-I-Amfor example, you dont need ml2 on anything but the controller node16:37
Sam-I-Ampeople seem to think you do16:37
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emaganaSam-I-Am: sounds good. Please, start with the configuration part. I believe has higher priority.16:37
Sam-I-Amall this will be much easier when we version the guide :)16:37
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: crap, i'm in a glass house16:38
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sc68calI threw it straight through mine16:38
sc68calSorry, the LB gate and some bugs chewed me up this week16:38
Sam-I-Amme too!16:39
Sam-I-Amsquirrels and rabbit holes16:39
emaganaDo you guys prefer to go directly to the therpad and pick the section that you can/want to cover instead of going one by one and we can move to versioning?16:39
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Sam-I-Amemagana: yeah16:39
Sam-I-Amwe can review it next meeting and see whats left16:39
Sam-I-Amthen voluntold people16:39
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Sam-I-Amall of... 3-4 of us, none of whom have time :/16:40
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emagana#action all pick up a section to cover from the etherpad16:40
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Sam-I-Amwaiting patiently for operator/dev contribs16:40
emagana#topic networking guide versioning16:40
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Sam-I-Amheyyyyy16:41
emaganasc68cal: dont run!16:41
sc68calhaha16:41
emaganaSam-I-Am: ?16:41
Sam-I-Amemagana: its an exciting topic16:41
sc68calso I have a big ugly monster patch that I'm going to use to update the stable/kilo branch of openstack-manuals, the networking guide specifically16:41
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emaganaSam-I-Am: dude.. in my ind.. I was.. damn it... what did I break?!16:41
Sam-I-Amlol16:41
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: isnt that patch still wip?16:42
sc68calhttps://review.openstack.org/25537616:42
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sc68calSam-I-Am: yeah. I need to use a more accurate SHA of the networking guide, kilo era16:42
Sam-I-Amandreas pushed the patches to the publishing system... and they've been approved.16:42
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john-davidgeWell, that’s a monster patch all right16:42
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul is moving in very slow motion since roughly 13:30 UTC; the Infra team is investigating.16:42
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emaganasomebody else besides me hates the new gerrit loook?16:43
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: which sha did you use?16:43
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john-davidgeemagana: It’s horrible!16:43
sc68calSam-I-Am: I was lazy and used master I think, so I need to dig up the SHA we found after last week's meeting16:43
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sc68calah, it's 1446e9ec5450c0a3849c958b9167f1598308783d16:44
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: yeah thats it16:44
Sam-I-Ampush button, see if it builds, go16:44
sc68calyup16:44
Sam-I-Amthen we can backport master to liberty16:44
Sam-I-Amand then off to the races of content16:44
Sam-I-Amgranted we'll need to backport the "intro" content and stuff that we write, but that should be easy16:45
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Sam-I-Amits pretty static stuff16:45
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Sam-I-Ammain thing is being able to contribut stuff for mitaka now, and updates for liberty, without making a mess16:45
Sam-I-Amwe'll also need to review the guide to remove "In XXX release" wording16:45
Sam-I-Ambut thats also easy16:45
emaganaSam-I-Am: indeed16:46
Sam-I-Amthe big part is backport... does it build, does it publish?16:46
sc68callooks like 1446e9ec545 is a bust. SR-IOV stuff for juno is in it :(16:46
sc68calso, time to go a little further back in time16:46
Sam-I-Amj... juno?16:47
* sc68cal hops into his time machine16:47
emaganasame question, juno?16:47
* Sam-I-Am sings the alphabet song16:47
sc68calyeah there's a file about using SR-IOV in juno that's part of the networking guide in 1446e9ec5450c0a3849c958b9167f1598308783d16:47
Sam-I-Amjuno is before kilo16:47
Sam-I-Amso thats ok?16:47
sc68caloh. right.16:48
Sam-I-Amits also eol16:48
sc68cali knew that.16:48
Sam-I-Amthere is no juno guide16:48
sc68calright - it was just that it said "as of Juno" blah blah blah16:48
sc68calsorry I never learned the alphabet properly apparently.16:48
Sam-I-Amyeah, we'll need to fixerate that16:48
Sam-I-Amif it worked in juno, it probably works in kilo16:48
sc68calright16:48
emaganaSam-I-Am: thats a big statement16:48
Sam-I-Amemagana: i like to think positive16:49
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Sam-I-Amright now a lot of the guide is bug-driven because we cant test everything... someday making it more proactive would be nice, but time. stpid time.16:49
Sam-I-Amtime and contributors, really16:49
Sam-I-Amthe sr-iov people should be contributing a scenario16:50
Sam-I-Ami would really like policy in neutron of no docs no test no merge, but thats not happening today16:50
Sam-I-Amnor retroactive16:50
emaganaSam-I-Am: getting close to the hour!16:50
* sc68cal lobs big artillery shell into gerrit16:50
Sam-I-Amfor example, bgpvpn was released with... no docs16:50
sc68calhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/255376/16:50
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: can you add the sha you used to the commit?16:51
Sam-I-Amunless its somewhere i'm not seeing it16:51
Sam-I-Am6 cups of coffee is not enough or too much16:52
sc68calSam-I-Am: yeah good point, will do16:52
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emaganasc68cal: What kind of help do you need from us?16:52
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sc68calI think just search for the string "Liberty" in the diff (god help you) and make sure they all make sense in context16:53
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sc68cala couple I've seen do have "Liberty" - but it's been in the context of "the upcoming release"16:53
sc68calfuture tense16:53
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Sam-I-Amyeah we'll need to change those later16:53
Sam-I-Ameasy stuff though16:53
Sam-I-Amalso scenario4X is still there, we changed that later16:53
emagana#action all review the patch and provide input16:53
Sam-I-Am+2A, fire and forget!16:54
emaganaSam-I-Am: I go for that... hit and run!16:54
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: thanks for your work here16:54
Sam-I-Amcan you pop a liberty backport up too?16:54
Sam-I-Am(hey thanks heres more work)16:54
sc68calSam-I-Am: sounds good. just need to find a good SHA for it16:54
Sam-I-Ami'd make a good manager16:54
emaganasc68cal: second that... great progress and great work!16:54
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Sam-I-Amsc68cal: my guess is you can just backport master16:55
Sam-I-Ambecause no work has been done for mitaka16:55
Sam-I-Amor if there is, very little16:55
sc68calSam-I-Am: ack16:55
Sam-I-Amonly thing i can think of is rbac16:55
Sam-I-Amwhich went in a couple of weeks ago16:55
Sam-I-Ammmmmmaybe some ipv6 stuff? but i think that was liberty16:55
sc68caljust PD16:56
emaganaanything else on this topic?16:56
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Sam-I-Amso more or less not much16:56
emaganato be chair is not fun!16:56
sc68calright.16:56
Sam-I-Ammight as well backport master and call it good16:56
sc68calthink we're good on this topic16:56
emagana#topic open agenda16:56
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emaganaanything on the next four minutes?16:56
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Sam-I-Amnot here. more coffee.16:56
Sam-I-AmMOARRR16:56
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john-davidgesc68cal: PD was liberty. One small change made for mitaka though16:57
emaganastop drinking coffee and get some spirits16:57
john-davidgesc68cal: New config option16:57
Sam-I-Amjohn-davidge: dammit, thanks :)16:57
Sam-I-Amso maybe its not master16:57
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emaganaok...16:58
emaganahappy holidays!16:58
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: 6fbf65ea9fba05ea1533c6ad20a973d794f24fd816:59
emaganahave a great time, drink a lot and get some energy for the next year!16:59
* sc68cal looks16:59
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Sam-I-Amjohn-davidge: also you16:59
Sam-I-Amemagana: thanks16:59
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Sam-I-Amjohn-davidge sc68cal lets move this to docs channel?16:59
emagana#endmeeting16:59
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sc68calyup16:59
openstackMeeting ended Thu Dec 17 16:59:45 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:59
Sam-I-Amsee if we can bang out this liberty sha16:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_guide.2015-12-17-16.01.html16:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_guide.2015-12-17-16.01.txt16:59
john-davidgeSam-I-Am: Sure16:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_guide.2015-12-17-16.01.log.html16:59
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 17:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?17:00
mkodererhello17:00
dwallecko/17:00
mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_17th_2015_.281700_UTC.2917:01
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:01
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andreafo/17:01
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mtreinishlet's get started17:02
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:02
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:03
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dpatersono/17:03
mtreinishwe've got a couple of open specs still17:03
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/17333417:03
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mtreinishand17:03
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/23318717:03
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mtreinishalthough there both from andreaf now that I look at it :)17:04
mtreinishand 1 still needs to be updated17:04
mtreinishbut just a reminder that we should still keep an eye on specs. We don't want things to bog down there17:04
andreafyes I need to update the specs - but I think they could use reviews anyways17:04
mkodererI have time for reviews tomorrow.. will do17:05
andreafregarding test-resources, afazekas proposed to use testfixtures and testresources there, but it's not clear to me how they would fit really17:05
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andreafregarding the o-h one, I will update it, and we probably could close it as well then as the 4 pages are up and running now17:06
mtreinishandreaf: do we even want to bother anymore with the o-h spec?17:07
mtreinishas for the testfixtures testresources, yeah I'm not sure where that would fit in. Unless he's saying make the test interface to the resources a fixture17:07
andreafmtreinish: I thought it was nice to have it there, but it's probably more interesting have docs on o-h side17:08
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mkodererandreaf: +1 for docs17:08
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mtreinishandreaf: yeah I think just having docs would be better17:09
andreafmtreinish: also it would be great to have your review on the resources spec :)17:09
mtreinishit would have been better if we wrote a spec in ft collins when we started the project, but it's a bit late now17:09
mtreinishandreaf: sure I'll try to take a look post-meeting17:09
mtreinishok is there anything else on specs?17:09
andreafthere is also another spec I've started implementing, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92804/ - this is very very old17:09
andreafbut rather than trying to get the spec up to date I started implementing it, as it's easier to understand what I had in mind there17:10
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dmelladoo/ sorry for the late arrival17:10
mkodererdmellado: np17:10
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258566/ - this is the first patch, I'd love more reviews / opinions on that17:11
andreafit's a client manager refactor / split17:11
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andreafto provide a client manager that can go to tempest-lib and lazy load of clients17:11
mkodererandreaf: this is really needed17:11
mtreinishandreaf: wow, that is an older spec. Like you first submitted it when we started specs17:12
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andreafmtreinish: :D indeed17:12
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mkodererandreaf: should we try to convert the manila client to see how it's working?17:13
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andreafmkoderer: sure - I'd love that - the register interface is not implemented yet, but it shouldn't take me long17:14
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mkodererandreaf: are you working on that tomorrow? we can try to spilt the effort17:14
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andreafI also think this will help with the clients refactors, as it's painful to carry around many clients where it used to be one17:14
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andreafmkoderer: yes, I will be working on this topic tomorrow most likely17:15
mkodererandreaf: ok cool I will ping you17:15
andreafmkoderer: let's sync in IRC17:15
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mtreinishok, let's move on17:15
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mtreinish#topic Priority Items17:16
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mtreinish#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities17:16
mtreinishDoes anyone have anything to discuss on any of the priority work items?17:16
mtreinishandreaf, jlanoux: how goes the ssh auth stuff?17:17
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andreafmtreinish: the patch to fix the deprecation part is done17:18
jlanoux#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253444/17:18
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jlanouxafter that, I plan to do the wrapper around compute and remote_client17:18
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andreafmtreinish: there is also work to be done to take some of the neutron scenario tests functionality out and back into the validation framework17:18
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mtreinishandreaf: do you have an example?17:19
andreafmtreinish: but honestly I would even consider that an extra - post spec work -17:19
mtreinishsure, that wasn't part of the spec17:19
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mtreinishI'd just like to see the spec finally finished :)17:20
mtreinishit's been a long road17:20
andreafmtreinish: well the scenario tests have a lot of validation helpers, everytime I try to follow the code through them I get lost17:20
andreafmtreinish: and it would be good to make sure they all as much as possible honour all validation settings17:20
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mtreinishandreaf: right, I agree17:21
afazekasself.var usage is confusing , we should do more explicit parameter passing17:21
andreafafazekas: +10017:21
mtreinishafazekas: yes, there is a bug open for that (or there was) there were patches starting to clean it up17:21
mtreinishbut it's still a mess17:21
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on priority efforts?17:22
dpatersontwo cli patches could use reviews17:22
dpaterson#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247240/17:23
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dpaterson#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252428/17:23
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dwalleckI'll have a look at them this afternoon17:23
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mtreinishok, let's move on17:24
mtreinish#topic Tempest17:24
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mtreinishthere are 2 items on the agenda for tempest17:25
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mtreinishmkoderer: yours is up first :)17:25
mkodererok :)17:25
mkodererIMHO we have an issue with logging and tempest CLI17:25
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mkodererthe this is that logging.conf isn't really used17:25
dmelladowasn't the log environment not working anymore?17:26
dmelladoyep17:26
mkodererso all the scripts log to tempest.log but nothing is shown on stdout17:26
mkodererfor instance stress17:26
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mkodererI started to clean it up here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25895517:27
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mkodererbut the question is: do we want a default logging.conf that defines stdout logging for all cmd output17:27
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mkodereror we use "print" for all the user output17:28
mtreinishmkoderer: I'm thinking if we want to do stdout we should just use print17:29
mtreinishor manually write to sys.stdout17:29
mkoderermtreinish: that fine for me17:29
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mtreinishI feel like the logging should probably be left configurable for users17:29
mkoderermtreinish: so I will fix stress and cleanup cmd then17:30
mtreinishok, cool17:30
dpatersonGuess I am a bit confused, some scripts are using LOG. and some print()17:30
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mtreinishdpaterson: yeah, that's the issue :)17:30
dpatersonAre you saying we should change all to print()?17:30
mtreinishdpaterson: if the tool wants something to go to stdout (like final output of a command) it should use print17:31
mkodererdpaterson: no.. log messages we use LOG but for user output we use print17:31
mkodererdpaterson: for instance the statistics of the stress test run should go to stdout17:31
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mkodererok I push some patches tomorrow17:32
mtreinishok, then the other topic under tempest was from me17:33
mtreinishabout removing the ec2 tests from tempest17:33
dpatersonmkoderer: I'm fine with refactoring all cmd scripts, I was trying to get them to parity with cliff first17:33
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222737/17:33
dpatersonI noticed the inconsistancies too17:33
mtreinishbasically nova has deprecated their in-tree ec2 implementation, and want to remove it soon17:34
mkodererdpaterson: yeah cool let's have a review on it tomorrow17:34
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mtreinishbut the tempest tests are blocking that. We also said the only reason we keep the tests in tree is because nova has it in tree17:34
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dpatersonmkoderer: sure, tx17:34
dmelladomtreinish: then it looks like a straightforward move to remove them too17:35
mtreinishso I made a tempest plugin with the code and put it up on github (also the ec2-api project has their own tempest plugin) to preserve the tests17:35
mtreinishjust in case someone want to use them for something in the future17:35
mtreinishdmellado: yep17:35
mkoderermtreinish: +117:35
dmellado+117:35
mtreinishI've brought it up on the ML before too17:35
mtreinishI just wanted to bring it up on the meeting, because we should be good to land the removal patch17:36
mtreinishI'll push a tag after we remove it to signify the removal17:36
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mtreinishok, does anyone else have anything else to discuss on tempest this week?17:37
andreafmtreinish: I had some comment on that patch, I'll re-review tomorrow if that's ok17:37
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mtreinishandreaf: that's fine. (although dims respun the patch to jsut remove the options)17:38
mtreinishok, if there's nothing else let's move on17:39
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mtreinish#topic DevStack + Grenade17:39
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to discuss about devstack or grenade?17:40
mtreinishsdague, dtroyer: ^^^17:40
sdaguethe extras.d patch landed17:40
sdaguefinally17:40
mtreinishyay17:40
mtreinishit only took a week of rechecks :)17:41
sdagueyeh17:41
sdagueI also brought over some code from d-g to make our apt_get_update more resilient to mirror breaks17:41
sdaguethat seems to be helping, as is backported17:41
mtreinishcool17:42
sdagueI've also got a new angle on the "can't ssh" to test nodes issue17:42
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sdaguewhich is that there is a race in the fixed ip allocator in nova17:42
sdaguewhere we might allocate an ip that has an oustanding lease17:42
sdagueso the guest won't get a valid ip, and dhcp fails17:43
sdaguethere is a nova patch up for that17:43
sdagueI can't wait to see how that impacts things17:43
mtreinishcool, that does sound like it could impact things for the better17:43
mtreinishdo you have a link to the patch?17:43
mtreinishok, does anyone else have anything to discuss on devstack or grenade this week?17:44
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mtreinishok, then lets move on17:46
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:46
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:46
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afazekashttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/257557/17:48
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mtreinishafazekas: yeah that does feel like something that should be a neutron side fix17:48
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mtreinishafazekas: I'll follow up with armax or someone to get them to weigh in on it17:49
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afazekasmtreinish: Actually it is not, but IMHO the neutron agent scheduler tests should be in the neutron repo17:49
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afazekasThese kind of behaviors kind of internal.17:49
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mtreinishafazekas: oh, yeah that definitely feels like an internal neutron thing17:50
mtreinishare there any other reviews?17:50
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mtreinishok, then lets open up the floor17:51
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:51
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mtreinishdoes anyone have something they'd like to discuss that wasn't on the agenda?17:51
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mtreinishoh, one thing is I'm gonna cancel the next 2 meetings17:53
mtreinishbecause of the holidays I expect not too many people will be around17:53
dmellado+1 from me, almost everybody would be out for Christmas17:53
mtreinishI'll send something to the ML about that today17:53
mtreinishok, if there isn't anything else I'll end here17:54
mtreinishthanks everyone17:54
mtreinish#endmeeting17:54
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dtroyer#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 19:03:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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dtroyeranyone here for the OSc meeting?19:03
stevemardtroyer: oh you're alive19:04
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dtroyercourtesy ping:briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, dstanek, MeganR19:04
dtroyerstevemar: you only think that because you can't see me19:04
stevemari was just talking to terrylhowe that i was going to ditch this weeks installment19:04
terrylhoweo/19:04
lhchengo/19:04
dtroyerI'm planning to cancel the next two weeks19:04
stevemarbut it we actually have quorum...19:04
dtroyerlike most end-of-week meetings19:05
rtheiso/19:05
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stevemarhey rtheis!19:05
dtroyerok, let's get started19:05
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dtroyer#topic reviews19:05
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rtheishi stevemar19:05
dtroyerI have a couple of questions I've raised in reviews that we might want to talk about here to get a wider audience19:06
dtroyerand then go from there19:06
stevemarsure, where do we start?19:07
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/257403/19:07
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dtroyerThis question boils down to how we handle errors in commands that make multiple REST API calls19:07
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dtroyerNiall has a nice set of tables in one of his later comments that shows the tradeoff19:08
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dtroyerassumption #1: we don't do rollbacks, so if there are two API calls and the first succeeds and second fails, the changes for the first stay19:08
dtroyer(Think of the set commands for context)19:09
dtroyerif the first fails, should we attempt the second?19:09
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dtroyerAnyone have an idea what a user expectation might be here?19:10
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stevemarwhat are the other options?19:11
terrylhoweI like the idea of try all the steps, print errors for what fails and return 1 for any failure or partial fail19:11
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lhchengI guess it depends if the second command makes sense..19:11
dtroyerNiall's patch has abort after first failure, don't attempt the rest19:11
dtroyerlhcheng: yes, there are probably cases where it doesn't make sense19:11
dtroyerthis one may not be one of those19:11
dtroyerorder is not important here19:12
terrylhowefrom the users perspective, they might not know that if the update failed, the activate worked19:12
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stevemarits gonna depend on the command, for multi-deletes we should report back all fails and keep going. but for something that is like saving an image, if the GET fails, don't proceed19:13
dtroyerright stevemar, I'm thinking multiple calls for one OSC command, not looking over a list19:13
dtroyerlooping over a list19:14
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dtroyeranyone with a strong opinion add it to the review, I can live with either although my gut says we should do as much as we can19:16
stevemardtroyer: i like the patch19:17
terrylhowejust like the delete with nargs, it is easier to track if we print errors and try everything19:17
dtroyerterrylhowe: it is consistency with that mode that I like19:18
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dtroyermoving on19:19
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/246459/19:19
lhchengconsistency is basic for better user exp, I vote for consistency of behavior.19:19
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dtroyerThis adds —project-domain to image delete.19:19
dtroyerstevemar: asked about aliasing —project for —owner.19:20
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dtroyerI like that idea, I suppose the point is that we should do this review and the alias one in the same release19:20
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lhchengsounds good19:21
lhchengmakes our arg naming consistent19:21
dtroyerso if we think we're close to a release I'd like to wait on this.  I can do the follow-up, but probably not this week19:22
stevemarsounds good, we can switch all instances of owner to project and make an alias for owner19:22
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stevemardtroyer: no need to release til new year19:22
dtroyerok, cool.19:22
dtroyerlast on my list is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251646/19:24
dtroyerand this is basically about if set commands should have any output similar to create commands19:24
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dtroyerthis particular command used List for a specific reason, most that do have output should be using Show.19:25
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dtroyerthe question is are there any set commands that create something new that needs to be reported to the user?19:25
dtroyerif not, I am OK with removing output from set commands19:25
dtroyerI can't hink of any19:26
stevemarwe'd have to go through and see what they're doing19:26
stevemari assume it's just showing the newly updated object19:26
stevemarresource19:26
dtroyerright.  the create command returns a new ID, set doesn't do that AFAICT19:27
dtroyerwith other fields19:27
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stevemarno, most of the time set -> PATCH/PUT which is a 204 usually19:28
stevemarand doesn't return any content19:28
stevemarat least, that's how it is in keystone19:28
dtroyerI'm not sure the REST semantics matter here19:29
stevemarhmm, i'm wrong19:29
stevemarwe do return the new object and it's 200 OK19:29
dtroyerit's what the API is actually doing19:29
dtroyerthe point is to make doing an immediate show command after a set unnecessary for the user to get some new bit of information19:30
stevemaranother way of looking at it: we'd probably make a lot of people happy by showing the new object, whereas we'd probably upset folks if we removed capability19:30
dtroyerright, and I don't want to have to revisit a decision to remove something in six months ;)19:31
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terrylhowefor the services that 204, that’d be expensive19:31
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terrylhoweI think return nothing is best for consistency19:31
terrylhoweanythng that is making a resource under the covers and returning an id, i probably is handled as a ‘add/remove’ anyway19:32
dtroyerstevemar put a list of commands using ShowOne into a comment, it is surprisingly short, so mayybe it isn't too bad…19:32
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dtroyerand looks like it is mostly Compute API?19:33
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stevemari was pro-returning nothing19:34
dtroyerso again, lets get opinions into the review.19:34
stevemarbut now i feel like returning the new object might be better long term19:34
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dtroyeralso, for both this and the multi-call review, whatever we decide we need to add to our developer docs19:35
stevemaryep19:36
dtroyerthat's my list, anyone have any other reviews they want to bring up?19:36
lhchengI got one19:36
stevemarregarding release, here's a list of changes that are committed but not released: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/03/257403/5/check/gate-python-openstackclient-docs/5ec748a//doc/build/html/history.html19:36
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stevemarwe last released on 2015-12-0319:37
terrylhowewow19:37
stevemartheres a lot of networky goodness going in19:37
dtroyerwe've addded a bunch of network stuff, is that at a clean breakpoint and working?19:37
stevemardtroyer: that's the thing19:37
terrylhowewe don’t have full router crud19:38
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stevemari think it's reasonable to wait til new year and get a bit more network stuff under our belt19:38
stevemarwait til we get full router and subnet crud19:38
dtroyerok.  let's keep in mind then to plan some checkpoints so the new stuff is complete in logical sections19:38
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stevemardtroyer: we should also advocate for more release notes in patches that fix bugs :)19:39
dtroyera lot of those changes were small and things that I'd have grouped together a bit more19:39
stevemara lot are tests and refactoring19:39
dtroyeryes, I didn't want to hammer in in-flight bits yet, but probably start making the commnets now19:39
dtroyerwe have examples which will help19:40
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dtroyerI'd prefer to keep the test/refactor bits out of the user release notes, they really don't care19:40
dtroyeroh, that's not the list I thought it was19:41
dtroyernevermind19:41
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stevemardtroyer: that's the "changes" list19:41
stevemarlhcheng: you had a topic19:41
rtheisI have one review to bring up after lhcheng19:42
stevemarrtheis: cool cool19:42
lhchengabout tests, there's a couple of patches that added test for private methods.19:43
lhchengI feel like it is over-testing19:43
lhchengIt is harder to refactor later if we also have test for private methods19:43
lhchenghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/254142/19:43
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stevemari feel like for this private method in particular it's OK19:44
stevemarsince it's a formatter19:44
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stevemarand a simple on19:44
stevemarone19:44
stevemari agree its probably overkill for most19:44
stevemarthis one has a very narrow scope19:45
terrylhowevaluable test I think, way easier to have a unit test for that kind of thing19:45
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terrylhoweI agree no tests for privates in general, but this looks like a good exception to that rule19:46
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dtroyerso I hear this is a discretionary thing not a hard rule,but the default is what terrylhowe just said above?19:46
lhchengokay, just didn't want overtest and write test for all private method19:47
terrylhoweagreed19:47
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lhchengdtroyer: ok, sounds good to me19:47
dtroyerlhcheng: thanks for raising the thought, I don't think we've ever had a 'too much testing' problem in OSC ;)19:48
dtroyerwith the rate that tangchen is writing them though…19:48
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lhchengdtroyer: hah19:49
dtroyerrtheis: you had a topic?19:49
rtheisyes, thank you: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257543/19:49
rtheisI haven't found a great way to move existing networking commands (such as security groups) to sdk, and would appreciate ideas on the best way forward.19:49
stevemarlhcheng: if another patch comes up for testing private methods we can pile on the -2's19:49
stevemarhehe19:49
stevemari'd hate to see a coverage report for osc :(19:49
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dtroyerI've only glanced at this but it seems like a decent model for commands with multiple back-end implementations19:50
dtroyeralso, I think the compute/nova-net bits may be the only ones where we need to support the proxied API so the major place it might come up again is in plugins19:51
rtheisI tried playing with command loading but didn't get very far19:51
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terrylhoweI’m concerned how this will look on more ocmplicated examples where there are different parseargs19:51
terrylhowewe might have to figure this stuff out at command load time rather than run time19:52
rtheisterrylhowe: yeah this model pins the commands to the same arguments which we may not always want19:52
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rtheisFor example, security group rules in nova hide ethertype and direction but neutron exposes them19:53
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dtroyercan we accept them as optional on the nova version and ignore them?  not sure of the message that sends to users though19:53
dtroyerbut like some of the policy things we have, in help we would need to do at least an auth pass to get the SC to even know which version to show19:54
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rtheisyeah, maybe well need to do an auth pass as part of help for these.  I'll take a look at that and possibly ignoring optional parameters19:57
rtheiswe'll19:58
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terrylhoweif neutron loaded last here? https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/common/commandmanager.py#L5519:58
terrylhoweno that isn’t right19:59
dtroyerterrylhowe: even if it did, that doesn't account for plugins19:59
dtroyerwe can't make assumptions about load order19:59
terrylhowemaybe we should load neutron like a plugin19:59
dtroyerit already is, it is just in-repo19:59
terrylhowewell, if it could be deterministic some how19:59
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terrylhowehttps://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/shell.py#L31420:01
dtroyerrtheis: I've though having a wrapper command in openstackclient.comm that handles the switch much like your new class does would be useful, and have that call out to the individual commands20:01
terrylhowenova there and neutron after that20:01
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rtheisdtroyer: thanks, I'll take a look at that.20:02
dtroyerterrylhowe: one reason why I think the switch decision needs to be as late as it can20:02
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dtroyerrtheis: I never got all the way thinking that through so it may be a dead end, but having another mind on it would be great20:03
rtheissure20:03
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dtroyerok, we're over time20:03
dtroyerno meetings the next two weeks, see everyone on Jan 7!20:04
dtroyer#endmeeting20:04
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sdague#startmeeting nova21:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec 17 21:02:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:02
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thingeeo/21:02
sdagueping mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov bauzas xyang tpatil med_ nic scottda nagyz belliott dguitarbite sdague jroll diana_clarke _diana_ raildo jichen gjayavel21:02
sdagueu mdorman klindgren sorrison belmoreira mrda mmmpork PaulMurray gcb thorst duncant macsz21:02
takashino/21:02
edleafe\o21:02
_gryf\o21:02
tonybgolf clap for sdague :D21:02
* jroll lurks21:02
dansmithboo for sdague21:02
bauzas\o21:02
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sdaguethis is going to be short21:02
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sdague#info this is going to be short21:03
sdague#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova21:03
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sdague#topic Release Status21:03
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mikalHi21:03
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dimso/21:03
sdagueI will let you read the agenda for dates, no need to repeat them here21:03
cdento/21:04
sdague#topic Regular Reminders21:04
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sdagueGo forth and remember this list - Review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking21:04
sdague21:04
sdague#topic Bugs21:05
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sdaguethe gate has been bad this week, but I think we're mostly recovered21:05
sdaguethere don't seem to be any specific bugs called out in the agenda, so I'll let you read the agenda for standard links21:05
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sdague#topic Stuck Reviews21:06
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sdaguenothing listed this week21:06
sdagueso pass21:06
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sdague#topic Open discussion21:06
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sdaguethis is an item of note listed in the agenda - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256440/2 (remove containers from the mission)21:06
cdentyeah that's...novel21:07
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sdaguethis is fall out from the defcore discussion previously21:07
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sdaguepeople should probably express an opinion on that one21:07
* edleafe thinks sdague is going for bragging rights over mriedem21:07
sdagueProject meetings over Christmas?21:07
sdague#startvote Project meetings over Christmas?21:08
openstackBegin voting on: Project meetings over Christmas? Valid vote options are Yes, No.21:08
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openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.21:08
sdague#vote no21:08
mikal#vote no21:08
dansmith#vote no21:08
sdaguewill leave this open for 60 seconds21:08
tonyb#vote no21:08
melwitt#vote no21:08
takashin#vote no21:08
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edleafe#vote no21:08
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sdagueok, 10 more seconds21:09
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sdague#endvote21:09
openstackVoted on "Project meetings over Christmas?" Results are21:09
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mikalNo results?21:09
sdagueapparently that didn't do a thing21:09
sdagueI guess defaults don't work21:09
* jlvillal wonders how difficult it is to calculate it...21:09
tonybI think they're clear21:09
sdagueoh well, its logged21:09
mikalI think the yes, and sdague runs them was a clear winner21:09
sc68cal;)21:09
* tonyb will look at MeetBot at some stage21:09
sdague#info No meetings over christmas, by vote21:10
edleafecase-sensitive?21:10
jlvillalWhat about New Years?21:10
sdagueonly other item on open agenda is the lack of cross project liason - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080869.html21:10
dansmithsdague: ten minutes past, you're out of the running for gold21:10
sdaguejlvillal: I assume that to mean no meeting the next 2 weeks21:10
sdague#info No meeting next 2 weeks, by fiat21:10
jlvillal:)21:10
dansmith>= jan 2 is what I think it means21:10
sdagueok, anything else from folks?21:11
sdaguegoing once21:11
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sdaguegoing twice21:11
tonybIf people are in the nova channel I ping them about specific reviews that need love to get through the gate.21:11
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sdaguethanks for coming, enjoy any holidays or non holidays you have coming up21:11
sdague#endmeeting21:11
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cburgessHappy Holidays everyone!21:11
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