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| rluethi | hi bernd | 10:31 |
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| berndbausch | Morgen | 10:31 |
| rluethi | #startmeeting training_labs | 10:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 10:31:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training_labs)" | 10:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 10:31 |
| rluethi | #topic liberty patch | 10:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty patch (Meeting topic: training_labs)" | 10:32 | |
| berndbausch | Anybody else? | 10:32 |
| rluethi | berndbausch: I think the rest of the team is travelling this week :) | 10:33 |
| berndbausch | OK great. It's all for me :) | 10:33 |
| rluethi | We have a few issues to discuss wrt to the liberty patch. | 10:34 |
| rluethi | Some minor, some rather major. | 10:34 |
| berndbausch | Good. | 10:34 |
| rluethi | The first big one is the network reorg. | 10:34 |
| berndbausch | I did some testing as you know, fixed some typos and such. | 10:34 |
| berndbausch | That's the problem I am running into now. | 10:34 |
| rluethi | liberty drops some networks and adds "manual" as a new type of network. | 10:34 |
| berndbausch | I guess I need to do some reading. I don't know what "manual" is. | 10:35 |
| rluethi | and the install-guide now has two versions just for liberty. | 10:35 |
| rluethi | basically, it's a network interface reserved for one network but without a specific IP address preassigned to it. | 10:36 |
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| berndbausch | In the install guide there is a "provider" and "self-service" network option. | 10:36 |
| berndbausch | Is that what you mean? | 10:36 |
| rluethi | yup. | 10:36 |
| berndbausch | OK. | 10:37 |
| berndbausch | I think the self-service is more relevant, so let's implement that. | 10:37 |
| rluethi | I agree. | 10:37 |
| rluethi | preferably, we implement both. | 10:37 |
| berndbausch | I was asking if the environment is flexible enough to provide such options. Yes, I would do that too. | 10:38 |
| rluethi | the answer to your questions is that currently, it's tricky. | 10:38 |
| berndbausch | Grin | 10:38 |
| rluethi | you can easily have several configurations as long as you only change scripts.ubuntu_cluster or somesuch. | 10:39 |
| rluethi | for instance, we could have scripts.ubuntu_cluster_provider. | 10:39 |
| berndbausch | Yes, and I think that is good enough. | 10:39 |
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| berndbausch | Just tell users that the default is selfservice, and provider can be implemented by doing this and that | 10:40 |
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| berndbausch | Right now I am trying to test provider but hit a problem. Is it the right moment to raise this? | 10:41 |
| rluethi | works for me. I am looking at how difficult it is to provide more options for customization. | 10:41 |
| rluethi | sure | 10:41 |
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| berndbausch | It's because I am not sure how to change the script so that it works with two nodes instead of three. | 10:41 |
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| rluethi | which script exactly_ | 10:42 |
| berndbausch | Here is what I see. In scripts.ubuntu_cluster, there is a line "cmd queue config_external_network.sh" | 10:42 |
| berndbausch | This is where the error occurs | 10:42 |
| berndbausch | "no network 'external'" (paraphrased) | 10:42 |
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| berndbausch | In fact, the external network is set up in a different line.... | 10:43 |
| berndbausch | cmd queue ubuntu/setup_neutron_network.sh | 10:43 |
| berndbausch | which is later in the script. | 10:43 |
| berndbausch | And currently, it sets up the network node. | 10:43 |
| rluethi | I think the install-guide moved the creation of networks from the middle to the end of the guide. | 10:43 |
| rluethi | it is part of the testing part now. | 10:44 |
| berndbausch | But my question is, why is this line later. | 10:44 |
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| berndbausch | So, in order for config_external_network to succeed, the setup_neutron_network script must be executed first | 10:44 |
| rluethi | the answer is probably that the install-guide used to do it this way. | 10:44 |
| berndbausch | and currently it is not. Thus error. | 10:45 |
| berndbausch | OK, I will therefore have to redo that script. I wondered if some of those commands are running in parallel. | 10:45 |
| rluethi | yes. roughly, the content of config_external_network would now go into launch_instance.sh | 10:45 |
| berndbausch | But they can't of course. There are snapshots. | 10:45 |
| berndbausch | That would be one of the last steps I guess | 10:46 |
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| rluethi | we need to go through the install-guide systematically and reorder our scripts accordingly. | 10:46 |
| berndbausch | Yes, that's right. So basically each install guide page is more or less represented by a shell script, and the shell scripts are sequenced in scripts.ubuntuy_cluster and so on. | 10:47 |
| rluethi | I seem to remember the before the RST-conversion, the order was a bit more obvious than it is now. | 10:47 |
| rluethi | right. | 10:47 |
| rluethi | that is the concept in a nutshell. | 10:48 |
| berndbausch | There are some jumps in the install guide which make you go somewhere else then return to the same place. Like a subroutine. | 10:48 |
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| berndbausch | I don't like it so much, but that's life. | 10:48 |
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| rluethi | yes, and the sidebar does not indicate that. | 10:48 |
| rluethi | so you have to read the whole page to make sure you didn't miss a "subroutine". | 10:49 |
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| berndbausch | Sometimes I feel lost in the pages. | 10:49 |
| berndbausch | So we have to recreate that flow in the scripts.something files. | 10:49 |
| rluethi | yes. | 10:50 |
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| berndbausch | Since no more testing is possible without reordering the scripts.something, I will give it a try tomorrow. | 10:50 |
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| rluethi | excellent. | 10:50 |
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| rluethi | note that the install-guide changed some other things, too, including the private network range. | 10:51 |
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| rluethi | used to be 192.168..., now 172... | 10:51 |
| berndbausch | So far I just went through the install guide pages rather mechanically and adapted the corresponding shell scripts or fixed the problems I saw. That is not so difficult; it just requires a certain level of precision. | 10:52 |
| rluethi | I suggest we change that after we dealt with the network refactoring. that way it should be easy to rebase. | 10:52 |
| berndbausch | ok | 10:52 |
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| rluethi | usually, the tricky part is detecting and fixing the races. there are so many of them. | 10:53 |
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| berndbausch | I noticed that :) | 10:55 |
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| berndbausch | My system is a good testbed for race conditions. It's rather slow. | 10:56 |
| rluethi | Some races seem to turn of only on fast systems. It is good to have a mix. | 10:56 |
| rluethi | s/of/up/ | 10:57 |
| berndbausch | Strangely it is a rather powerful server, perhaps Virtualbox is missing something there. | 10:57 |
| rluethi | define "slow", then. | 10:57 |
| akamyshnikova_ | ihrachys, I will look into failure of test_model_sync now | 10:57 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova_: I am already looking | 10:58 |
| berndbausch | The old Openvswitch race turned up on my system. It took 4-5 seconds to get OVS going | 10:58 |
| ihrachys | akamyshnikova: there was a bug for that | 10:58 |
| ihrachys | meh, sorry folks, bad channel | 10:58 |
| rluethi | np | 10:58 |
| rluethi | berndbausch: that's odd. | 10:59 |
| berndbausch | Also, starting a cluster took some 30-50 minutes rather than the 20 it's supposed to be. | 10:59 |
| rluethi | including basedisk build? | 10:59 |
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| berndbausch | Yes the whole thing I believe. Excluding the ISO download I *think*. Need to test this again if that interests you. | 11:00 |
| rluethi | okay. 20 minutes is pretty fast for building basedisk and cluster. | 11:00 |
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| rluethi | building the basedisk depends on the internet (and its servers). | 11:01 |
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| rluethi | building the cluster takes about 10 minutes on a pretty fast machine. | 11:01 |
| rluethi | I know there are opportunities to improve speed. | 11:02 |
| berndbausch | I have a Proliant ML330 with a four core Xeon and 20GB memory | 11:02 |
| rluethi | It just never was a big priority. | 11:02 |
| berndbausch | We could build the nodes in parallel to an extent. | 11:02 |
| rluethi | SSD? | 11:02 |
| berndbausch | normal disk. | 11:03 |
| berndbausch | single disk, no RAID. | 11:03 |
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| rluethi | The build is often disk-bound. | 11:03 |
| berndbausch | that would explain it. It's true, the CPU seemed to be bored most of the time. | 11:03 |
| rluethi | We can start building in parallel once we are bored because we ran out of races to fix :). | 11:03 |
| berndbausch | yes it would provide us a few more races. | 11:04 |
| rluethi | there are plenty of dependencies between the nodes. | 11:04 |
| berndbausch | yes. The one I am running into, for example. | 11:04 |
| rluethi | I opened a ticket for the one in cinder_volumes. The sleep 20 is ugly and not good enough. | 11:05 |
| berndbausch | Do I have to remember that bug? Did I raise it :-$ | 11:06 |
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| rluethi | Nah. We sort of patched it up for Juno (I think), but according to my testing it fails maybe once in a 100 tests. | 11:07 |
| berndbausch | Ah ok. | 11:07 |
| berndbausch | It shouldn't be too hard to replace all sleeps by a proper test. | 11:07 |
| berndbausch | testing the condition we are waiting for. | 11:07 |
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| rluethi | for rare races, it becomes difficult to test the fix. | 11:08 |
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| berndbausch | by provoking somehow perhaps? | 11:09 |
| rluethi | sure, if you know how. | 11:09 |
| berndbausch | :) | 11:09 |
| rluethi | can you take a look at the network refactoring? I realize the patch is too big for a thorough review. Maybe I need to break it into smaller pieces after all. But it's pretty easy to test, and we kinda need those changes for liberty. | 11:10 |
| berndbausch | Is there a patch already? | 11:10 |
| berndbausch | Refactoring needs first to restructure the scripts.ubuntu_clusters and friends, right? | 11:11 |
| rluethi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257063/ | 11:11 |
| berndbausch | That's what I wanted to do anyway | 11:11 |
| berndbausch | OK good. | 11:11 |
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| rluethi | Actually, this refactoring only changes how the network configuration gets parsed and applied. | 11:11 |
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| rluethi | the patch is for kilo, in preparation for liberty. | 11:12 |
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| berndbausch | Good to know! | 11:13 |
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| rluethi | there is another patch in the queue, but that just improves KVM disk handling (somewhat faster and much less space usage). so that one is not urgent. | 11:13 |
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| berndbausch | looking at it now. It's too late to do much today, I will dive into this tomorrow. | 11:14 |
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| rluethi | sure, no rush. | 11:14 |
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| rluethi | feedback/questions welcome. | 11:15 |
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| berndbausch | sure! | 11:15 |
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| berndbausch | So I have two pieces of work, checking the network patch and creating a new scripts.ubuntu for Liberty. I feel satisfied. | 11:17 |
| rluethi | :) | 11:17 |
| rluethi | and we will go with selfservice for now. | 11:18 |
| rluethi | I will look for a way to provide the alternative, too. | 11:18 |
| berndbausch | agreed | 11:18 |
| rluethi | any other issues? | 11:19 |
| berndbausch | I don't know enough about it yet to have more issues. | 11:19 |
| berndbausch | So, thanks. Good for now. | 11:19 |
| rluethi | okay. thanks for coming, see you next week. (of course, there is always email, too) | 11:20 |
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| berndbausch | Yep, thanks. | 11:20 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 11:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 11:20:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2015/training_labs.2015-12-16-10.31.html | 11:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2015/training_labs.2015-12-16-10.31.txt | 11:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2015/training_labs.2015-12-16-10.31.log.html | 11:20 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan_ do we have meeting today? | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan_ | yes, joe told me to have a discussion tonight | 13:08 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan_ okey | 13:10 |
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| zhiyuan_ | he just sent me a message saying that he had trouble logging IRC | 13:11 |
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| zhipeng | shall we have a brief meeting then? or shall we wait | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan_ | oh, he just said that we have our meeting next week. he cannot login | 13:16 |
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| zhipeng | okey fine | 13:16 |
| zhiyuan_ | bye, zhipeng | 13:16 |
| zhipeng | see ya :) | 13:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 14:03:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello, anyone here for the docs team meeting? | 14:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 14:04 |
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| lwilliams | hi there! | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello Sam-I-Am and lwilliams | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets go ahead and get started | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:06 | |
| ShillaSaebi | none that I have listed | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we can move to the next topic | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:06 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | none listed | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | all 4 from last time have been merged | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - Open reviews: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ha-guide,n,z | 14:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | crickets... | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - Business as usual. Nothing special to mention this week. | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - Open reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239361/ Very slow progress, hoping to speed up after the USA holidays. | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | no one attended the install guide meeting last night | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i used the opportunity to update the agenda | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | so maybe that will pick up after the holidays too | 14:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | trying to keep it current | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | hopefully, but i doubt it | 14:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | networking guide is being versioned | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | waiting for some backporting stuff to merge | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | then we'll have stable releases | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats it from me on those | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - no update. | 14:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - After a specification update, there is a need to provide a more comprehensive scope: a list of Core features within scope, and include research on the nova-network/ neutron migration study. Contact from Zaqar, Trove, and Murano Liaisons on Admin guide tasks has been helpful, and given the reorganization direction. A patch on fernet tokens (FAQ format) was merged into the Cloud Admin Guide. | 14:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sure is quiet | 14:17 |
| lwilliams | next usr guide mtg is tonight, right? | 14:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can check | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | Meetings are held on fortnightly (even weeks) on Wednesdays at 23:30 UTC (Thursday 9:30am Australian Eastern Standard Time or GMT+10, Wednesday 4:30pm Pacific Standard Time) on the #openstack-meeting-4 IRC channel. | 14:18 |
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| lwilliams | thx | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch guide RST migration is complete. | 14:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | We are reorganizing the guide over a two day virtual sprint this month. | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | We are looking for volunteers to help out | 14:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | here is the link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-reorg to document these changes. | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | 12/21 and 12/22 are the dates for the swarm | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions on that? | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok moving along | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yerp | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - Review merged for the Mitaka specification of a vision for app dev docs #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 14:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - The tools are ready, the liberty branch is set up, the RST migration is on. Feel free to pick your file, run the tools, and move forward | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Training Labs - Training-labs has Kilo patch merged. We are currently updating the network configuration and trying to get things as per Matt's feedback/request. We plan to start adding Liberty very soon and also KVM port is on the way. | 14:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Training Guides - There is interest in translating Upstream training; this review has been merged: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245615/ should be enabled in repo now | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Hyperviser Tuning Guide - On schedule - working on changing bullet-point notes into rough draft sections. | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright anything else on the specialty teams? | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | questions? updates? | 14:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nope. just need some coffee. | 14:26 |
| lwilliams | same here;) | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | i made one for myself before we started :D | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright | 14:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to Mitaka | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to Mitaka (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:27 | |
| ShillaSaebi | 112 days | 14:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20160407T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Mitaka+Launch+Date&font=cursive | 14:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | comes too quickly | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | agreed | 14:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Brian & Christian are working on documenting openstack-doc-tools and reorganising the index page | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:28 | |
| ShillaSaebi | I don't have any to list this time | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi | The new rewards scheme for killing old bugs will be announced shortly. | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | Nothing on that yet | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #open discussion | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing here. need coffee. | 14:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | any meetings over the holidays? | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up? | 14:31 |
| lwilliams | i don't have anything either | 14:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i dont think this falls on any of the special days | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we can cancel the one on 12/30 or leave it? | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | im guessing it will be slow like today | 14:31 |
| lwilliams | is there still any talk of moving this mtg time or is it staying put? | 14:31 |
| lwilliams | yeah, i think so too | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think we should try to move it | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can wait until after the new year? | 14:32 |
| lwilliams | sounds good | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else? you will get 28 minutes back on your calendar with our early ending today | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing here | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks everyone! | 14:33 |
| lwilliams | nope...thx, Shilla | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 14:33:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-12-16-14.03.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-12-16-14.03.txt | 14:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-12-16-14.03.log.html | 14:33 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 15:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:00 |
| SotK | #chair Zara | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SotK Zara | 15:01 |
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| SotK | now we shouldn't have a repeat performance of last time's chairless chaos | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
| Zara | heh | 15:01 |
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| SotK | I don't think we have anything urgent, or anything quite ready to announce yet | 15:02 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #info Worklists and boards has just a couple of outstanding patches, both almost ready to be merged, just needing +1s from any helpful reviewers | 15:03 |
| SotK | then we'll have worklists and boards that can have multiple users! | 15:04 |
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| SotK | #info Initial email patches have been merged | 15:04 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 15:04 |
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| SotK | we now have support for email notifications of changes to story titles/descriptions merged! | 15:05 |
| pedroalvarez | \o/ | 15:05 |
| SotK | adding notifications for other changes is a matter of creating templates for them | 15:05 |
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| SotK | we haven't yet merged the button that allows them to be turned on though, since they aren't enabled in storyboard.o.o yet | 15:05 |
| Zara | yeah, I believe ux patch isn't merged so we don't mislead people into thinking we have lots of templates (yet) | 15:05 |
| Zara | ah snap | 15:05 |
| pedroalvarez | fair enough | 15:06 |
| Zara | so there's some puppet patching to be done? | 15:06 |
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| SotK | I think so, yeah | 15:06 |
| pedroalvarez | did we ever increase the auth token lifetime? | 15:06 |
| pedroalvarez | (might be useful to patch that too) | 15:07 |
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| SotK | nope, not yet | 15:07 |
| SotK | indeed, it probably will be | 15:07 |
| SotK | I was running in to problems trying to test changes to puppet-storyboard | 15:07 |
| Zara | I'm a bit concerned about waiting on that because it means other storyboard users don't have access to email preferences-- but I think we should have more templates first, anyway, so that suits me for now | 15:07 |
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| SotK | indeed, but I don't know the best way to avoid confusion otherwise | 15:10 |
| Zara | (ie: with the ux patch merged, theoretically anyone could set up a storyboard instance to work with a mail transfer agent, and receive emails from it when story titles and descriptions update. so I'd kind of rather not make everyone wait for puppet changes for openstack. but I also don't want openstack users to have a button that doesn't do anything for them, yet!) | 15:10 |
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| Zara | and infra are the biggest storyboard users, so. | 15:10 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:10 |
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| pedroalvarez | that is true | 15:10 |
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| pedroalvarez | so let's change puppet's script asap :) | 15:11 |
| * SotK agrees with that | 15:11 | |
| SotK | I'll look at updating puppet after the meeting | 15:11 |
| Zara | okay, great :) | 15:11 |
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| SotK | #action SotK to look at updating puppet to enable the emails plugin asap | 15:11 |
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| Zara | we've extensively tested the worklists and boards patches at this point, and turned SotK into a husk of his former self in the process | 15:12 |
| pedroalvarez | let me know if I can help SotK | 15:12 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235476/ | 15:12 |
| SotK | pedroalvarez: will do :) | 15:13 |
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| pedroalvarez | Zara: right, I'll review that patch today | 15:13 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:13 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256457/ is the other remaining patch, though more trivial | 15:13 |
| Zara | there are other patches for subscriptions in review, and probably a few things I had left lying around but need to fix | 15:14 |
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| Zara | as for me, I need to update the spec thing now I understand the state of the email patches better! | 15:15 |
| Zara | though I may wait 'til this evening | 15:15 |
| * SotK would like us to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251409/ soon | 15:15 | |
| Zara | (since I don't want to write a bunch about waiting on upgrading puppet only for it to go out of date immediately) | 15:15 |
| * pedroalvarez will put that on the list | 15:15 | |
| pedroalvarez | SotK: so, is it really useful? | 15:15 |
| Zara | hah, I forgot about that patch entirely. | 15:16 |
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| Zara | #info Zara to update spec with more info about email notifications | 15:16 |
| SotK | pedroalvarez: the patch I just linked? It makes it quicker to see more recent stories | 15:16 |
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| pedroalvarez | which normally is what people looks for | 15:17 |
| pedroalvarez | (I guess) | 15:17 |
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| Zara | (other than spec stuff, I'm mainly testing and reviewing at the moment, and making the odd tiny patch when I come across an issue that I can fix quickly.) | 15:18 |
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| SotK | yeah, I guess it is too | 15:20 |
| * SotK apologises for inundating Zara with reviews | 15:20 | |
| Zara | hahah, no problem! :) I'm probably more useful on the testing side for these ones. | 15:21 |
| pedroalvarez | and me! :) | 15:21 |
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| SotK | pedroalvarez: indeed :) | 15:22 |
| SotK | I don't know of any other in-progress work? | 15:22 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:22 |
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| SotK | Anyone got anything to discuss? | 15:22 |
| pedroalvarez | I want a board/worklist for storyboard :) | 15:23 |
| pedroalvarez | no discussion needed | 15:23 |
| * SotK will probably make one when the multi-user patch is merged | 15:24 | |
| pedroalvarez | good good | 15:24 |
| Zara | heh | 15:24 |
| SotK | Anything else? | 15:25 |
| Zara | I don't think so; seems like we all know what to concentrate on | 15:25 |
| Zara | I guess should point out that xmas holidays are coming up | 15:25 |
| pedroalvarez | oh, that's a good point | 15:26 |
| SotK | oh yeah, I guess we aren't having meetings in the next two weeks? | 15:26 |
| SotK | (23rd and 30th) | 15:26 |
| Zara | yeah. well you could go on your own, buuuuut | 15:26 |
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| SotK | :) | 15:26 |
| pedroalvarez | yeah, I'll be away too | 15:26 |
| pedroalvarez | (those 2 weeks) | 15:26 |
| * SotK imagines he will probably be around intermittently in #storyboard | 15:27 | |
| Zara | and it'll be generally quiet. I'm away from this Friday, 'til the end of the year, though I'll be around a bit to check the gerrit upgrade has worked out okay. | 15:27 |
| SotK | it makes sense to not have meetings for the next two weeks then | 15:27 |
| SotK | #agreed No meetings for the next two weeks (23rd and 30th) | 15:27 |
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| SotK | Anything else? | 15:28 |
| * pedroalvarez will be around too | 15:28 | |
| Zara | er, I'm hoping we can get all of the stuff we've talked about today merged by the end of the week, part of the same point really | 15:28 |
| * SotK too | 15:28 | |
| pedroalvarez | yeah :) | 15:29 |
| Zara | cool :) Nothing else from me | 15:29 |
| SotK | nothing else from me either | 15:29 |
| pedroalvarez | _o_ | 15:29 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 15:30:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-12-16-15.00.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-12-16-15.00.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-12-16-15.00.log.html | 15:30 |
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| pedroalvarez | Thanks SotK! | 15:30 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 16:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Thaks :-) | 16:00 |
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| mtanino | hi. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 16:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 16:00 |
| erlon | smcginnis: thanks! | 16:00 |
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| erlon | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| e0ne | "Add your IRC nick to this list to be pinged at the start of the meeting" I like this feature:) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | General info - voting has started for N and O naming. Yay! | 16:01 |
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| thangp | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | You probably should have received an email from Monty if you've been contributing. | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | Null or Nameless - not bed! | 16:02 |
| dulek | Nameless or Null. There are no other choices. ;) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Nameless would be kind of funny. :) | 16:02 |
| erlon | haha | 16:02 |
| erlon | totally | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Too bad there's not a None Texas. | 16:02 |
| scottda | I think Null will cause all kinds of errors | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | yes:) I voted for Fortune in the past | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:03 |
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| patrickeast | hey | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Hey :) | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Release Status | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| baumann | Hello! | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking Spec tracking | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I've updated a few of the specs on there to include links to the patches actually implementing them. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | If you're driving any of those specs, feel free to add any links to pieces you think need attention. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I'll try to use that as a focus for reviews. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder&time=7+days | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | CI results are still a little mixed. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I've contacted the largest offenders. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | I think those of you having CI issues are aware of it. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Please make sure that is getting the attention it needs internally. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: are we going to drop drivers if CI will be unstable? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | I will likely post removal patches soon if a few of them don't stabilize. | 16:05 |
| e0ne | I mean to to it in Mitaka | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, I think we need to enforce our policies. | 16:06 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: sounds reasonable. probably, you have to mail to maintainers soon to notify everybody | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #info Bug stats: Cinder- 473, cinderclient- 37, os-brick- 12 | 16:07 |
| erlon | smcginnis: yes, you need to be very bold on the policies or we going to have a lot of complainers about that | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Stats are looking a little better. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Agreed | 16:07 |
| dulek | Third-party-announce list deserves a friendly reminder too. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | dulek: +1 | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Good call, I'll post something on there before posting any patches. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone that can spend some time there ^^ - help is always appreciated triaging and providing input. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | OK, that's all I've really got... | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #topic Storing dicts on driver 'provider_location' | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | erlon, dulek: Hey | 16:09 |
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| erlon | So, this topic came out after thingee noticed that some drivers (including Hitachi) could be using metadata to store lun id information, which could be potentially dangerous and cause a security issue. | 16:09 |
| erlon | Reviewing the Hitachi driver I saw that the driver needs to store more that 1 field about the volume, tried to move the metadata to the provider_location but, this field can not be stored in the form of a dictionary, so, them came the question on why that couldn't be stored in a dict. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | we're going to store provider_location in our DB | 16:10 |
| xyang2 | There is also a provider_id field in addition to provider_location | 16:10 |
| e0ne | at least, I'm going to publish a spec for it | 16:10 |
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| xyang2 | provider_id is ideal for storing lun id kind of info | 16:10 |
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| erlon | xyang2: mhm | 16:10 |
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| erlon | e0ne: will them be possible to store more info than a string? | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | erlon: yes, json (dict) sounds like a good solution | 16:11 |
| erlon | e0ne: great! | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Is there a strong reason not to just use json*.dumps/loads for those that need more than what's already there? | 16:12 |
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| flip214 | isn't the length typically limited to VARCHAR(255)? not much space there. | 16:12 |
| dulek | flip214: +1 | 16:12 |
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| erlon | flip214: +1 | 16:12 |
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| dulek | We can extend that (anyone knew that expanding VARCHAR is online on MySQL? :D). | 16:13 |
| e0ne | erlon, flip214: do you have an example of the data, which can't be fit in 255 chars json? | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | It ultimately needs to be a string in the db, right? I'd be hesitant to allow more than 255. That already seems like a lot of space. | 16:13 |
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| e0ne | dulek: it's not a big deal to extend. do we know how big should it be? | 16:13 |
| erlon | e0ne: actually don't recall any situation right now | 16:14 |
| erlon | but if its not a big deal to extend | 16:14 |
| e0ne | erlon: it would be helpful to get some input for it | 16:14 |
| dulek | e0ne: I get the point. | 16:14 |
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| xyang2 | provider_id is 255 and provider_location is another 255, still not enough? | 16:14 |
| xyang2 | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L160 | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | I'd like to see a compelling reason to make it bigger. | 16:15 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: +2 | 16:15 |
| flip214 | e0ne: the DRBD resource configuration file can easily be 2kB text, if there are quite a few nodes and options set. | 16:15 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: that is my point: we need use-cases for it | 16:15 |
| flip214 | not that this would need to be stored there right now; JFI. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | flip214: Do you really need to store an entire config file for every volume in the database? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | flip214: OK, whew. :) | 16:16 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: no. | 16:16 |
| patrickeast | kind of seems like if we really need more data something with more of a key-value store might make more sense than forcing drivers to stash json data in a single field? | 16:16 |
| flip214 | just saying that there are things that are bigger than 255 bytes ;) | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | But I still question whether more than that could/should be stored in the database. | 16:17 |
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| flip214 | patrickeast: TBH, I don't like the idea of a table with ID KEY VALUE and each being limited to 255 or so (again!).... | 16:17 |
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| dulek | Doesn't some driver store internal info in admin_metadata? | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | Putting large dumps of data into the DB is likely to slow Cinder down. That is concerning. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | erlon, dulek: Any other discussion/input needed, or should we wait for a spec? | 16:18 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'm totally agree with you | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:18 |
| erlon | smcginnis: I'll seek for use cases on cinder drivers to see how many and how other drivers are using the provider location | 16:19 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: The data is already stored there now as metadata, right? | 16:19 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: then wen can know if there are cases that justify the implementation | 16:20 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: Well, I don't have a driver, I'm hardly a person that should work on it. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | erlon: That makes sense to me. I'd like to see more data before making any major changes. | 16:20 |
| erlon | smcginnis: for the Hitachi driver the question cames only becouse I thoug weird to have to use json.dumps() to store that kind of info | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | dulek: ;) | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: I thought this was additional data they were looking to put out there. | 16:21 |
| erlon | smcginnis: one more point | 16:21 |
| erlon | Mike suggested to log a bug on the driver | 16:21 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: Maybe I missunderstood, I thought this was about moving that data | 16:21 |
| erlon | smcginnis: in the end I find out that the metadata field is duplicated in provider_location, and the driver uses only the provider_location to retrieve the volume | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Wasn't it determined that it's only used on initial connection, so there wasn't a security concern in someone changing it after the fact? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Oh! | 16:22 |
| erlon | so, is not a security problem in the driver | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Then yeah, I'd say file a bug and have them clean up that. No point in storing it in both locations. | 16:23 |
| erlon | smcginnis: ok | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | I think they are one of them at risk of removal if CI doesn't shape up, but that's another issue. | 16:23 |
| erlon | smcginnis: ok, we can talk about that later | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | erlon: OK, any other input needed for now? | 16:24 |
| erlon | smcginnis: for now Im fine | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Great. Thanks! | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #topic python-cinderclient: tempest vs functional tests | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: You're up. | 16:24 |
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| e0ne | thanks | 16:24 |
| e0ne | the issue is: we and many other python-*clients uses tempest to verify that new version works with rest of services | 16:25 |
| e0ne | but tempest doesn't use cinderclient | 16:25 |
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| e0ne | we run ~1500 tests, only few of them are related (nova attach features) to cinderclietn | 16:26 |
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| e0ne | so I propose to add such tests to cinderclient functional tests and drop tempest job | 16:26 |
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| e0ne | it will make our CI for 30 minutes faster! | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I'm all for that. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | we don't need to run full tempest for each commit to python-cinderclient | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I'm an advocate for _effective_ testing. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | btw, obutenko volunteered to help me with it | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | obutenko: Thanks! | 16:27 |
| e0ne | we can start it soon | 16:27 |
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| xyang2 | e0ne: should we do that for cinder too, maybe later? | 16:27 |
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| e0ne | AFIAK, other project will do it it | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | xyang2: good idea, I'm for it | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: +1 | 16:28 |
| e0ne | xyang2: let's start with cinderclient - it will be easier and faster | 16:28 |
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| xyang2 | e0ne: sounds good | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | We keep increasing Jenkins load, but I'm not convinced we're actually adding value. It would be good to get rid of parts that aren't necessary. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone else have thoughts or input? | 16:29 |
| dulek | xyang2: You mean drop tempest from Cinder? This seems odd, functional tests aren't integration tests like Tempest. | 16:29 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I'm, talking about decreasing numbers of tests and time for them | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yep! | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I am all for reducing test time. | 16:30 |
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| e0ne | dulek: we mean to move func test to cinder and leave only integration tests in tempest | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | so maybe a dumb question, but why isn't tempest using cinderclient for the volume tests? | 16:30 |
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| dulek | patrickeast: It calls the API directly. That's how Tempest work. | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | should we maybe switch that so we *are* getting additional testing from it? then maybe just restrict which tempest tests we run? | 16:30 |
| e0ne | patrickeast: tempest uses own client to test any APIs | 16:30 |
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| e0ne | patrickeast: IMO, tempest should verify that API works as documented and cross-project integration isn't broken | 16:31 |
| erlon | patrickeast: I think they don't want any additional code that could be source of bugs | 16:31 |
| e0ne | patrickeast: functional tests should be implemented inside of each project | 16:31 |
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| obutenko | e0ne, +1 about this ( functional tests should be implemented inside of each project ) | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | ok, so the line that was drawn is that tempest shouldnt use clients just direct api's | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | got it | 16:32 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: so, did we agreed to drop tempest for cinderclient after related tests will be implemented as cinderclient functional tests? | 16:33 |
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| e0ne | or is anybody against proposed solution? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I think so. If it's not actually exercising the cinderclient code, then it really isn't helping much. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I guess we'll see when the patch get submitted to change it if there are any other strong opinions. | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: got it! | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: OK, good for now? | 16:35 |
| e0ne | thats' all from my side about this topic | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #topic API races patches | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: You're up. | 16:35 |
| e0ne | thanks averybody for feedback | 16:35 |
| geguileo | Thanks | 16:35 |
| e0ne | s/averybody/everybody | 16:36 |
| geguileo | Just wanted to bring attention to API races patches | 16:36 |
| geguileo | We really want them merged soon | 16:36 |
| geguileo | So they are thoroughly tested | 16:36 |
| geguileo | Some are simple, but others are a little more complex | 16:36 |
| e0ne | we have to make it high priority for reviews | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Is the order of the patch links in the agenda relevant? | 16:37 |
| e0ne | to be sure that they will be landed in M-2 | 16:37 |
| e0ne | IMO | 16:37 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: For my patches it is | 16:37 |
| geguileo | Because they are in a chain | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: OK, thanks. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | But bluex has created a new one and that can be reviewed on its own | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I did notice you've done a great job keeping the blueprint whiteboard organized. | 16:38 |
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| geguileo | I did because it was a mess of patches otherwise XD | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah, definitely. ;) | 16:38 |
| dulek | geguileo: How many more patches will it be? | 16:38 |
| e0ne | geguileo: your patches requires new sqlalchemy. do you know when it will be released and added to global-requirements? | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-volume-active-active-support | 16:39 |
| geguileo | e0ne: I'm not sure when that will be released | 16:39 |
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| dulek | geguileo: Maybe we can prioritize APIs needing the patches? | 16:39 |
| geguileo | e0ne: I'll ask and add it to the BP | 16:39 |
| e0ne | geguileo: what if it will be released after Mitaka? | 16:39 |
| geguileo | I have split in the BP patches that require the new version | 16:39 |
| geguileo | And those that don't | 16:39 |
| e0ne | geguileo: how much does it affect us? | 16:39 |
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| geguileo | e0ne: Then only half the patches will merge | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: How critical are those? | 16:40 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Extend, volume_upload_image, migrate, retype, backups | 16:40 |
| e0ne | geguileo: could you please mark somehow patches in a commit message that they require new sqlalchemy? | 16:41 |
| geguileo | e0ne: They are ordered in the BP | 16:41 |
| e0ne | geguileo: thanks | 16:41 |
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| geguileo | e0ne: Under: *Ready for review but need a new SQLAlchemy release (version 1.0.10):* | 16:41 |
| e0ne | one more question | 16:41 |
| scottda | Is zzzeek around to answer about SQLalchemy release? | 16:41 |
| e0ne | do we need new oslo.db release for it? | 16:42 |
| geguileo | scottda: I'll ping him on #sqlalchemy-devel | 16:42 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Not that I know | 16:43 |
| geguileo | e0ne: We just need to update our requirements | 16:43 |
| e0ne | geguileo: it's good. less dependencies is better | 16:43 |
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| geguileo | That's all I wanted to say | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: OK, thanks! | 16:44 |
| e0ne | geguileo: thanks for you work on this! | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | So call out to all reviewers - if we could get some focus on those patches... | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | I'd also love to see some focus on the new drivers. | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | I'd like to avoid the end of milestone crunch if at all possible. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | There are a few out there that have been waiting for feedback. | 16:45 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: do you have a list of patches with new drivers? | 16:45 |
| erlon | smcginnis: so, about Hitachi CIs | 16:45 |
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| kmartin | before and after gerrit goes down for maintenance | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | If anyone has time to take a look, any reviews help. | 16:45 |
| dulek | So if it's open - do we care to support Keystone V2 API? We've got regression in Liberty - quota calls work only with Keystone V3. | 16:45 |
| e0ne | kmartin: good point :) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Not yet, but maybe I'll add a bit to the spec etherpad just to capture them somewhere easy to find. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | erlon: They've been contacted and supposedly working on it. We'll see. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do we have a list of the drivers that are waiting for review somewhere? | 16:46 |
| erlon | smcginnis: we are going throug a series of infra upgrades, so, those last weeks we needed to stop our CIs for some time | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Oops, yeah, what e0ne asked. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: See response to e0ne. :) | 16:46 |
| e0ne | dulek: IMO, we can depricate keystone api v2 in M or early in N | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Done. :-) | 16:47 |
| * jungleboyj is slow today. | 16:47 | |
| e0ne | AFAIK, cinder works well with keystone api v3 only | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | erlon: No worries. I think we all have some down time. As long as it doesn't stretch on too long. | 16:47 |
| erlon | smcginnis: we, will still have those issues at least until early January, when we finish all infra upgrade | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ;) | 16:47 |
| timcl | NetApp FlashRay driver patch is https://review.openstack.org/253695 | 16:47 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: did you get your morning coffee? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Do you know if they are trying to push folks to v3. That would be my assumption. | 16:48 |
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| dulek | e0ne: If we'll deprecate it we still should support it for some releases. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: A whole pot plus another big cup. Hasn't fixed my issues yet. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Or v3 is not deployed commonly enough that we should do v2 until it is? | 16:48 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: v2 is deprecated, keystone team wants to use v3 only | 16:48 |
| dulek | e0ne: Keystone v2 won't be gone until M+4 release. | 16:48 |
| e0ne | dulek: TBH, it will be supported forever:( | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Then we should probably support that and go with v3. Unless that's an issue for operators I suppose. | 16:49 |
| hdaniel | armax, ajo: guys, do you mind looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254224/ (the rbac-qos-spec) ? | 16:49 |
| e0ne | dulek: openstack can't drop old APIs | 16:49 |
| e0ne | it was discussed at summit | 16:49 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: we can start with mails to ops and dev MLs | 16:49 |
| dulek | e0ne: Huh, would need to check again, but some guy from Neutron told me that V2 is deprecated in Mitaka and will be gone in R. | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | dulek: I tried to delete v1 from Cinder | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | dulek: That may be what they would like to happen, but probably not. :) | 16:50 |
| dulek | e0ne: Yeah, I know. ;) | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-deprecation-policy | 16:51 |
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| dulek | So are we saying that Cinder supports V3 only, or should we fix api.contrib.quotas to be compatible with V2? | 16:51 |
| e0ne | How to drop an API [version or feature]? | 16:51 |
| e0ne | Don't. Deprecation is separate from entirely dropping support for APIs, though. (Deprecated, but never removed) | 16:51 |
| dulek | e0ne: I see… | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: How different are v2 and v3? Is it much of an effort to support both? | 16:52 |
| e0ne | we can say that we support features A, B, C only with keystone API v3 | 16:52 |
| e0ne | heat did the same | 16:52 |
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| dulek | project_id and tenant_id and nested quotas. | 16:52 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: they are very different | 16:52 |
| dulek | That's the differences from what I know. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Darn | 16:52 |
| dulek | Hm, but hey, will anybody deploy Keystone with only V2 if V2 is deprecated? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | dulek: They shouldn't, but they probably will. ;) | 16:53 |
| dulek | smcginnis: :> | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Actually, I think the concern would be existing deployments, not new ones. | 16:53 |
| e0ne | dulek: a lot of vendors and operators use depricated APIs:( | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | It would be great to have some ops input. | 16:54 |
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| winston-d_ | yup, we are still running keystone v2, only. | 16:54 |
| winston-d_ | with Juno | 16:54 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1. I mentioned it earlier | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yep :) | 16:54 |
| dulek | Okay, so I'll get someone on my team to look at it. If it's easy enough we'll propose a patch and maybe a backport to Liberty. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | winston-d_: Thanks. So it would be an issue if we only supported v3. | 16:54 |
| * dulek wrote bugport at first… | 16:54 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Sounds good. | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, I forgot an announcement. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | I recently found this cross project spec was approved: | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/no-downward-sql-migration.html | 16:55 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: we can support only V3 for nested quotas | 16:55 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: great news! | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | If anyone wants to look at that for cinder, have at it. | 16:56 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: it will be harder to tests RPC versioned objecs, but I like this idea | 16:56 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: will do it | 16:56 |
| dulek | e0ne: Will it? I don't see the problem. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Awesome! | 16:56 |
| dulek | e0ne: I'm aware of nested quotas incompatibility. We'll look at it | 16:56 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I proposed it some time ago, so I have to finish it | 16:57 |
| e0ne | dulek: DuncanT had a consern about dropping downgrade migrations | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Alright, let's continue any discussions in #openstack-cinder | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 16:57:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-16-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-16-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-16-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 17:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | heyo \o | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | Hello everyone | 17:00 |
| [1]cdearborn | \o | 17:00 |
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| krtaylor | yea, jlvillal is back :) | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Hi all | 17:01 |
| aarefiev | hi | 17:01 |
| jroll | \o | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | So I'm a bit rusty at this... | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements. Does anyone have anything to announce? | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | I'll take that as a no. | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | just fyi, we (powerkvm) are planning on starting comments soon | 17:02 |
| sinval | OneView driver CI is now able to test deployment workflow | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #undo | 17:02 |
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| mjturek1 | yep, maurosr and I have been debugging the tempest runs and we're very close to having a successful run, pretty exciting | 17:02 |
| * jroll has announcements | 17:03 | |
| krtaylor | jlvillal, let us slow typists have a chance :) | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | Remind me how to make a note... | 17:03 |
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| jroll | we're now running ironic changes via a devstack plugin, soon the same for grenade. that work is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:ironic-devstack-plugin,n,z | 17:03 |
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| jroll | err. | 17:03 |
| jroll | #info we're now running ironic changes via a devstack plugin, soon the same for grenade. that work is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:ironic-devstack-plugin,n,z | 17:03 |
| jroll | another announcement: the gate's in terrible shape. we've bumped the timeout to 600 to hopefully mitigate in the meantime | 17:04 |
| maurosr | yeah I have some patches (necessary to power systems) on devstack that I need to re-work to fit on this new format | 17:04 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is offline for a software upgrade from 17:00 to 21:00 UTC. See: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 17:04 | |
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| jlvillal | #info we're now running ironic changes via a devstack plugin, soon the same for grenade. that work is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:ironic-devstack-plugin,n,z | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Hmmm. I expected a notification about that. | 17:04 |
| jroll | maurosr: the code in the devstack plugin is almost identical, should be easy to move | 17:04 |
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| jroll | nah, no notifications | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Okay. | 17:05 |
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| maurosr | nice! | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #info powerkvm are planning on starting to make comments soon | 17:05 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:05 |
| mjturek1 | jroll: very cool | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info OneView driver CI is now able to test deployment workflow | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | oh, cool, thanks jlvillal | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Any other announcements? | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | here come the CI systems :) | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | In 3 | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | 2 | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | 1 | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | So I have not worked on it for about 5 weeks :( | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | though I think that moving devstack to become a plugin should make the work easier. | 17:07 |
| kcalman | o/ | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | I'm trying to decide which has higher priority. functional testing work or grenade testing. I'm leaning towards grenade. | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | jroll, Would love your thoughts. | 17:08 |
| jroll | jlvillal: grenade, for sure | 17:08 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: also, you saw we're doing the grenade plugin thing, right? | 17:08 |
| jroll | so should be easier to iterate on | 17:08 |
| jroll | but I'd love to be able to assert we can do online upgrades - grenade is the missing piece there | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #info jlvillal to focus on getting grenade jobs working first, and then functional testing. | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | jroll, Yep I saw the patch. Thanks for that. | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on... | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #info functional testing | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #topic functional testing | 17:09 |
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| * jlvillal should have undone that. Oh well... | 17:09 | |
| jlvillal | #info Once grenade work is done jlvillal will start again on functional testing. But if other people would like to work on it, that would be great. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | So if anyone is interested in working on functional testing that would be wonderful. | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | I'll take a look | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | I think vdrok was doing some stuff that looked somewhat related... | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | but will make slow progress due to holidays | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Or at least vdrok had good ideas on bringing up the services. | 17:11 |
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| mjturek1 | jlvillal: I'd like to lend a hand as well | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | mjturek1, krtaylor great | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | #info WIP patch for functional testing: https://review.openstack.org/235612 | 17:11 |
| vdrok | jlvillal, nope, I was not looking into it much yet, but will try to some time this week | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor, mjturek1 ^^^ | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok, I think you had made a good comment in my review. So I thought vdrok knows about functional testing :) | 17:12 |
| vdrok | :) | 17:12 |
| * jlvillal jumped for joy | 17:12 | |
| mjturek1 | jvillal: thanks!! | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:12 |
| vdrok | eh, it does not open, and I don't remember my comment :) | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok, Yeah I think Gerrit maybe has an issue? | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Moving on ... | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | I'll open the floor for comments. | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | Is the iLO test still failing? | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | spec merged, thanks to jroll and all that contributed! | 17:14 |
| vdrok | jlvillal, no, it's upgrading, there was a notice ~10 mins ago | 17:14 |
| jroll | yeah, gerrit is down for ~4 hours | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | #info 3rd party CI spec was merged. Thanks krtaylor and everyone else involved. | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, I think iLO still failing yes, at least ased on the last votes I saw from it | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | #info iLO CI is currently voting. But all votes are failure at this point. Work is in progress to fix it. | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | lucasagomes, Thanks | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Any other 3rd party CI? | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Oneview are you good with the announcement before? | 17:16 |
| sinval | yep, we are still in check experimentl | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | sinval, thanks | 17:17 |
| sinval | and soon we'll be in every patch | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | If nothing else we can move on. | 17:17 |
| jroll | just a note | 17:17 |
| jroll | "voting" is typically used to mean "a -1 blocks a patch from merging" | 17:17 |
| jroll | whereas "commenting" is meant as "submits a comment with a +1 or -1" | 17:18 |
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| jroll | let's try to use the right word to keep things straight :) | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | undo | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | #undo | 17:18 |
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| jlvillal | #info iLO CI is currently commenting. But all comments are failure at this point. Work is in progress to fix it. | 17:19 |
| jroll | :) | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | jroll, Thanks | 17:19 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:19 |
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| jlvillal | #topic General QA topics | 17:19 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have anything to discuss here? | 17:19 |
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| * jlvillal is not sure if gate failures fall into this category | 17:20 | |
| jlvillal | #info Gate has had many job failures recently. Due to timeout being exceeded. Patch was put in to extend timeout to 600 seconds. | 17:20 |
| jroll | I put it in announcements too because holy cow | 17:20 |
| jroll | it's so bad | 17:20 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah, it's failing a lot | 17:21 |
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| jlvillal | #info A patch is proposed to capture all of the 'baremetal' logs so that we have better insight into failures. https://review.openstack.org/257987 | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | we tried a couple of things to mitigate it, ipxe, changing the driver to virtio... but nothing worked effectively | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | but I still think it would be good to get that stuff in regardless, every little helps | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | Thanks jroll lucasagomes | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | Anything else before we have open discussion? | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on then. | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| rajinir | 3rd | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | rajinir, ??? | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | Anyone have anything? | 17:23 |
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| jlvillal | Ending meeting in 5 | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | not sure, unless people wants to try to brainstorm what could possible making the gate so slow to timeout | 17:24 |
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| jroll | isn't "general qa discussion" the same as "open discussion" in a qa meeting? :P | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | tho we don't have much data... | 17:24 |
| jroll | or can I talk about beer now | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | os Star Wars... it's coming! | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | or* | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | lucasagomes, I'm not sure. I think your patch is probably going to help figure it out. | 17:24 |
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| lucasagomes | jlvillal, yeah I hope so | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | lucasagomes, At the moment it doesn't seem like we have the data to understand why. | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | But if people have some ideas that would be great! | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | we can work with theories | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | Okay. I think we are done for this meeting. | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone for attending! | 17:26 |
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| jroll | yeah, I think we needs more datas | 17:26 |
| jroll | thanks for hosting jlvillal :) | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | #info No meetings for next two weeks | 17:26 |
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| jlvillal | #info Next meeting 6-Jan-2015 | 17:26 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks all. Ciao | 17:27 |
| vdrok | thanks! | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 17:27:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-16-17.00.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-16-17.00.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-16-17.00.log.html | 17:27 |
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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting Heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 20:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 20:00 |
| prazumovsky | hi | 20:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 20:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-12-16_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | we have two nice questions in agenda (other is just reminders) ;) | 20:03 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: do you want to add something to agenda? | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | shardy : ^ | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-12-16_2000_UTC.29 | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | lgtm | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | if - no, we will continue. | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Review priorities (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews) | 20:04 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: nothing from me, thanks | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:04 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy, stevebaker: ok | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | gerrit is still down, this will make this topic difficult | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | yeah... | 20:05 |
| jdob | any word on what happened/when gerrit will be back? | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | its due to be down for another hour | 20:06 |
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| pas-ha | in an hour | 20:06 |
| jdob | i didnt look through the ML yet for any notification | 20:06 |
| jdob | gotcha, thanks | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | I just removed one about qos, because I know, that it was eventually implemented | 20:06 |
| pas-ha | software update | 20:06 |
| jdob | an hour is the perfect window for a nap :) | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | jdob: :) not for us | 20:07 |
| jdob | haha, damn, this meeting fits into that perfectly | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Reno notes | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | Just want to remind about adding Notes. | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | it can be done in the same patch (with feature or important change) or in follow up patch | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | I asked ramishra and tiantian. to add it for their BPs. | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | looks easy and simple ;) | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | also makes writing release notes at the end of cycle easier ;) | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | when backporting changes I assume the reno commit would need to be backported too, so it would be helpful if the reno is in the same commit as the change | 20:09 |
| pas-ha | I would ask all cores when reviewing to require a release note for any bp or >=High bug fix | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | but I don't think we need to make that mandatory yet | 20:09 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: good catch. +1 for this idea | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: AFAIK, it will be required after m2 | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | need to ask ttx or dhellmann about it | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | pas-ha: yes. for High bugs it will be good | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | ok. go to the next item | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | #topic New release of python-heatclient | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | Do we need new release? | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | let me look | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/tree/0.8.0 | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | 16 Sep | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | date of tag | 20:13 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: re my discussion with jdob yesterday, do we still only tag releases from master? | 20:13 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I just worried about new API for outputs. | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | shardy: there is a stable branch, which we're yet to release from | 20:14 |
| shardy | stevebaker: k, I wasn't sure as we were discussing a potentially backwards incompatible change | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | I'm only seeing a handful of fixes | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | shardy, if there were backports, we could release a microversion update from stable branch | 20:14 |
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| shardy | my take was it's best to keep master backwards compatible where possible | 20:15 |
| jdob | to be clear, it's the client being able to use older versions of the server | 20:15 |
| shardy | e.g it wouldn't make sense if the pypi version of heatclient was broken will all stable/released heat versions? | 20:15 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: but we need to merge one patch first... Which allows to work new heatclient with old versions (support new API was done without backward compatibility... ) I thought, that it was ok, but then realized, that it looks bad | 20:15 |
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| shardy | sorry, slight tangent on the release, but I wanted to clarify | 20:16 |
| jdob | (as compared to a number of other ways we could break backward compat) | 20:16 |
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| stevebaker | sorry, I don't know the background for this outputs api change | 20:16 |
| shardy | the discussion w/jdob was about moving to server-side evaluation of environments | 20:17 |
| jdob | shardy: we're talking two different things here | 20:17 |
| shardy | I suggested we should fall-back to the client-side approach | 20:17 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I can only show merged patch. will it be enough ? | 20:17 |
| jdob | the outputs API v. the server-side env | 20:17 |
| shardy | jdob: Yeah | 20:17 |
| jdob | though I suppose the question applies in both cases | 20:17 |
| shardy | IMO it's fine to add new features which fail on older versions, but not break existing interfaces | 20:18 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/commit/d06bcd87d98a337a93cfc7709d6f440a972bb127 | 20:18 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: we fully migrated to new api calls, but they are not presented in old versions. so... | 20:18 |
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| skraynev_ | there is one patch on review , which we can not look right now. | 20:19 |
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| jdob | given that this is coming up more and more, should we start working towards .y versions on the REST API? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: ok, so for outputs we need to fix those commands to fall back to extracting them from a stack GET if the output call fails? | 20:19 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: this one https://review.openstack.org/257963 | 20:19 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: in mentioned patch we catch NotFound and try to get outputs using the old way (as you said via getting stack) | 20:20 |
| shardy | jdob: probably, but it'll be a lot of work and nobody has yet stepped up to do it | 20:21 |
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| jdob | i'm off for the next two weeks, but when I get back, unless it's magically done I'll start putting togheter a spec for it | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: can you describe plan in spec and we will find a volunteer :) | 20:22 |
| jdob | wasnt sure if there was a specific reason we hadn't moved towards it (other than lack of times/resources) | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | jdob: as for envs, if the env list is specified in a new argument I think an older heat would reject that, and heatclient could use that response to fall back to a client-side merge | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: or... jdob is our volunteer ;) | 20:22 |
| shardy | skraynev_: sounds like jdob will do it :) | 20:22 |
| shardy | thanks jdob! | 20:22 |
| jdob | thats another option, if you had the time for the spec, I'd volunteer as tribute | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: agreed | 20:22 |
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| jdob | stevebaker: ok, thats the approach i was going to take, just wanted to check with you to see if there was anything smoother | 20:22 |
| jdob | and apparently, I'll be working on making that smoother in the new year :D | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | jdob: nothing occurs to me | 20:23 |
| shardy | jdob: basically we need to look at the cross-project view of what's happening wrt API micro-versions and align with what other projects are doing | 20:23 |
| shardy | jdob: my main concern is making it transparent to users, e.g look at the huge pain caused by migration to keystone v3 | 20:23 |
| jdob | my hope is that we seem very disciplined in the RPC API handling and can translate some of those practices over | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: may be nova has enough experience in this area | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | ? | 20:23 |
| shardy | we have to look at patterns which make it completely simple for users, even those not using the python clients | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | so back to the topic, maybe we should backport the few real fixes to the heatclient stable branch, given that master is gradually landing osc commands currently | 20:24 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1, if we're going to release from it we should monitor and backport where appropriate | 20:24 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: +1 for backports. However, what;s about new version of client? I mean new tag for pip | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | it will allow to install latest code from pip package. | 20:26 |
| shardy | skraynev_: Yeah that was my question, e.g if you do pip install heatclient, do you get a version which will only work with an unreleased development version of heat? | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: I think we just push a change to the releases repo | 20:26 |
| shardy | traditionally that has not been the case | 20:26 |
| shardy | and lifeless has a spec re making stronger promises for client backwards compat | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/deliverables/liberty/python-heatclient.yaml | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: then magic happens | 20:27 |
| shardy | it's a cross project spec, so we should monitor it as it may mean we don't want to do any irreversable backwards incompatible things | 20:27 |
| * shardy would link it but... gerrit | 20:28 | |
| dims | if magic does not happen quickly hop onto #openstack-release :) | 20:28 |
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| dims | shardy : net,net of that was no "active" releases should break with a new library release | 20:28 |
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| shardy | dims: what about python-*client's - do they have to maintain compatibility with all non-EOL stable releases of the services? | 20:29 |
| dims | shardy : y that was the proposal | 20:29 |
| shardy | dims: Ok, thanks for the clarification! | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: I'm about to go off the grid for 3 weeks, I can continue whatever backport process that is done when I get back | 20:30 |
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| shardy | that's pretty much a complete reversal of the direction we were taking with the stable-branches for all-the-clients ;) | 20:30 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: hm.. I suppose, that this client should work with all previously released versions, but it may no support for new release (which currently is not released and in development right now..) | 20:30 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: so do you suggest wait all backports first, right? | 20:31 |
| lifeless | shardy: hai | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | or it's not related with new tag at all :) | 20:32 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/11/specs/backwards-compat-libs-clients.rst | 20:32 |
| shardy | hey lifeless, thanks for the link ;) | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | gerrit down | 20:33 |
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| lifeless | yah | 20:34 |
| skraynev_ | :( | 20:34 |
| lifeless | I just happen to have it in my browser :) | 20:34 |
| lifeless | but the tl;dr is pretty simple | 20:34 |
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| lifeless | don't break compat with supported things | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | lifeless: just regarding timing, we have stable client branches now, and in the future likely not. For now should we be using those stable branches? | 20:34 |
| lifeless | derprecation is ok | 20:34 |
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| lifeless | stevebaker: so, this is really orthogonal to having stable branches or not of things | 20:35 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: redistributors very much don't trust us not to mess up on master | 20:35 |
| lifeless | so they want stable things to mitigate risk | 20:35 |
| jdob | lifeless: do you know if the other projects have adopted some form of more finely versioned REST APIs in all of this? | 20:35 |
| lifeless | and - they're not wrong: we're not mature enough to avoid a raft of ways things can break | 20:35 |
| lifeless | jdob: like novas? | 20:36 |
| pas-ha | jdob, Ironic has api microversions | 20:36 |
| jdob | we were talking about nova as an example earlier, i didnt know about ironic | 20:36 |
| jdob | i was basically wondering since everyone was gonna have these troubles if a clear convention was rising up | 20:36 |
| jdob | sounds like the best bet is to check out what nova's doing | 20:36 |
| lifeless | jdob: so there's three separate discussions | 20:37 |
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| lifeless | one, already had, is server compat tag:follows-standard-deprecation | 20:37 |
| lifeless | which is 'minimum of one release cycle for changes affecting users', more or less | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | stable releases by the looks of it http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/deliverables/liberty/python-novaclient.yaml | 20:37 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: like I said, stable clients are really orthogonal: they don't remove the need for backwards compat | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | sure, I totally agree | 20:38 |
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| lifeless | stevebaker: and they don't remove the impact of backwards incompat on users | 20:38 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: cool; I've had contrary positions argued is all :) | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | we're reimplementing all commands in osc, so my desire to change existing heat commands is zero :) and our client lib is pretty stable | 20:39 |
| shardy | lifeless: yeah, thanks, that clears things up, despite stable branches we still must not break backwards compat on master for heatclient | 20:40 |
| shardy | a few patches have shown up recently where confusion on that point was created due to the existence of stable branches | 20:40 |
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| jdob | so the takeaway here is "don't break shit anywhere", right? | 20:41 |
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| lifeless | jdob: we can break it, just not if its supported | 20:41 |
| * jdob hopes that doesn't make it into the meeting notes | 20:41 | |
| jdob | ok | 20:42 |
| lifeless | the third discussion, which is the one mordred is hoping to drive, is 'support things that were in an api forever' | 20:42 |
| lifeless | I don't think there is consensus on that yet | 20:42 |
| mordred | aroo? | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | having said all that, once we have a full set of osc commands I'd like to consider releasing 1.0.0, since people have this weird opinion that projects < 1.0 are immature | 20:42 |
| lifeless | though I have a lot of sympathy for the position | 20:42 |
| jdob | stevebaker: +1 | 20:42 |
| lifeless | stevebaker: given that our semver docs say exactly that, its not all that weird :) | 20:43 |
| shardy | "forever" is a long time.. | 20:43 |
| mordred | yup | 20:43 |
| mordred | users are around for a long time | 20:43 |
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| mordred | also - for comparison, amazon has _never_ deleted an API | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | lifeless: heh | 20:43 |
| skraynev_ | gentlemen: could you please summarize last resolutions: 1. we don't break old commands (because we should support everything old) 2. we stop adding new staff to heatclient 3. we mark heatclient as deprecated in favor of openstackclient. 4. we create last tag for deprecated client. | 20:43 |
| mordred | and there's only one installation of that | 20:43 |
| shardy | mordred: to clarify, keep supporting interfaces, never deprecate anything, ever? | 20:43 |
| mordred | shardy: deprecate is fine | 20:43 |
| mordred | shardy: remove is bad | 20:44 |
| mordred | shardy: because we know that there is and always will be massive version skew in the world | 20:44 |
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| pas-ha | skraynev_, heatclient as Python API lib is never going to be deprecated | 20:44 |
| mordred | so not dealing with seamless upgrades in our code | 20:44 |
| pas-ha | only CLI part | 20:44 |
| mordred | means that all of our end users have to do it | 20:44 |
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| shardy | mordred: deprecating then not ever being able to kill something will result in a lot of cruft or complex legacy translation code, but OK | 20:44 |
| mordred | yes | 20:44 |
| mordred | it will | 20:44 |
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| jdob | i see the concept, but the idea of deprecation without ever removing kinda defeats the purpose of deprecation in the first place | 20:44 |
| mordred | but if we don't - then our end users have to do that cruft intheir code | 20:44 |
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| shardy | mordred: well, it might be they get warned to s/old/new for 2 years, and they just have to s/old/new | 20:45 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: what's about keystoneclient example? | 20:45 |
| mordred | shardy: nope, that's deployers | 20:45 |
| shardy | but your argument is we just s/old/new internally? | 20:45 |
| mordred | yes | 20:45 |
| pas-ha | same stuff | 20:45 |
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| mordred | my argument is that WE do compat | 20:45 |
| shardy | we actually already do that fyi | 20:45 |
| mordred | then you're awesome | 20:45 |
| mordred | other projects not so much | 20:45 |
| shardy | with all our deprecated/hidden resource properties | 20:46 |
| pas-ha | it will be left as python api to actuall Keystone service | 20:46 |
| mordred | the trick is, we can say for 2 years "move to this new version" | 20:46 |
| pas-ha | with cli in osc and auth in keystoneauth | 20:46 |
| mordred | but there are still diablo clouds in the wild | 20:46 |
| mordred | so uses who use openstack | 20:46 |
| lifeless | mordred: and then we have a keynote... | 20:46 |
| jdob | do we want to pause on this deep dive and pick it up after the heat meeting? | 20:46 |
| lifeless | mordred: yeah | 20:46 |
| mordred | still need to account for diablo vs. current in their code | 20:46 |
| jdob | feels like we got a bit off topic; valuable, but diverted the meeting a bit | 20:46 |
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| mordred | and when the differences are things like renaming username to user-name without also still accepting username | 20:47 |
| mordred | it's like poking our users in the face for absolutely no reason | 20:47 |
| shardy | Yeah this is interesting, but we should probably get back to the agenda ;) | 20:47 |
| mordred | in any case, it sounds like shardy says that's already going on here, so SWEET | 20:47 |
| shardy | mordred: yeah, it's already happening at least with some of our interfaces | 20:47 |
| shardy | thanks for the input :) | 20:48 |
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| mordred | shardy: thanks for caring about your users | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | shardy, mordred: I suggest to continue this discussion in IRC or on review, if you don't mind | 20:48 |
| jdob | ya, thanks lifeless and mordred, that was useful | 20:48 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | so. about topic. can somebody clarify me, what is the decision? | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | about backports to stable/liberty - we have agreement. | 20:49 |
| jdob | we should be -1ing client patches that don't have some sort of safety against old server APIs | 20:50 |
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| skraynev_ | jdob: ok. | 20:50 |
| lifeless | -2'ing | 20:50 |
| skraynev_ | what about new tag? and when? | 20:50 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: shardy ^ | 20:51 |
| shardy | jdob: yeah it's something to keep a look out for | 20:51 |
| shardy | lifeless: we're all about the educational -1'ing in the heat community ;) | 20:51 |
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| jdob | not to mention i'm not core, so the best I could do is -1 :D | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: lets do a 0.8.1 in Jan, and a 1.0.0 when there are enough osc commands to justify it | 20:51 |
| jdob | we know of two cases already: | 20:51 |
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| jdob | my env patch and the outputs API one | 20:52 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: good. thx. I am happy now ;) | 20:52 |
| jdob | what I didn't understand was the comment made a bit ago about no further changes to heatclient v. osc | 20:52 |
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| jdob | or, rather, I'd like a formal restating if that's something we need to be doing | 20:52 |
| skraynev_ | jdob: I suppose, that we plan to add new staff to osc instead of heatclient directly... | 20:53 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Summer Meet-up gently reminder | 20:53 |
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| shardy | jdob: new features could go only into the osc plugin, leaving the old heatclient CLI stuff working but not having all the latest features | 20:54 |
| jdob | i'll ping you in #heat, I have some more questions about the state of the osc work | 20:54 |
| shardy | I'm not sure we've agreed on doing that, but e.g keystone has already gone in that direction | 20:54 |
| skraynev_ | I have send mails about plans for potential summer meet-up. So if you have some ideas - fell free to send response me. | 20:54 |
| skraynev_ | #topic gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-heatclient - what does it test?? | 20:55 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: it's a bit hard to respond other than for availability, as there's no agenda and we've got another summit before | 20:55 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: what/where's the proposed venue? | 20:55 |
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| jdob | i missed that email too, this is new to me | 20:55 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: currently the best candidate is convergence future | 20:56 |
| shardy | jdob: vague plans around a mid-cycle meetup, in the N cycle | 20:56 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: p.s. it's good chance to add some ideas for venue | 20:57 |
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| skraynev_ | pas-ha: ping | 20:57 |
| pas-ha | yes | 20:58 |
| skraynev_ | 3 minutes... :( | 20:58 |
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| pas-ha | basically the job I am talking is not even having heat installed | 20:58 |
| pas-ha | so I wonder what is it testing in heatclient??? | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: yeah. the best word is vague plans. So any suggestions are welcome | 20:59 |
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| pas-ha | gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-heatclient that is the job | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 21:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-16-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-16-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-16-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit has been upgraded to 2.11. Please report any issues in #openstack-infra as soon as possible. | 21:00 | |
| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 16 21:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone. who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:01 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:01 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:01 |
| onovy | o/ | 21:01 |
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| ho | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | \o | 21:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| peterlisak | hi | 21:01 |
| eranrom | hi | 21:01 |
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| mattoliverau | sorry got lost looking at the new gerrit | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | yup. new gerrit was just deployed | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | have fun, and good luck :-) | 21:02 |
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| kota_ | mattoliverau: wow, new gerrit | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | agenda for this week | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | I'm not sure how, but I think we got even longer than last week! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: are you here? | 21:03 |
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| cutforth | hello | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | first topic is one that's a little different | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic glance driver | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081966.html | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | there was a mailing list message about this (linked above) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | the glance team is looking for support in maintaining their drivers for various backend storage things | 21:04 |
| notmyname | one of them is the swift driver | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | here's the current status | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-store-drivers-status | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | the basic idea is that each driver does the Right Thing for that particular storage system, and the glance team has neither the time nor the expertise to know them all | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so I think there are a few options (listed in our meeting agenda) | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | 1) we could move the swift driver from glance into some new repo that we maintain | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | 2) we could have one person from our community as the point person for all questions and reviews | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | 3) we could build a joint glance-swift-store review team made up of glance core and swift core, but the code live in glance | 21:07 |
| notmyname | 4) we could do nothing | 21:07 |
| onovy | how much code is it? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I don't like option 4, just because I don't think that's good or healthy for openstack in general to let this cross project stuff fall by the wayside | 21:07 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: hav eyou had a chance to look since we talked about it? | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | not yet | 21:08 |
| onovy | and +1 for do something :) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: who were we talking to from glance about ti? | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | I volenteered to be contact person so swift support wont be depreciated. But I like option 3 | 21:09 |
| notmyname | flaper87 ? | 21:09 |
| cschwede | yep | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, that was him | 21:09 |
| notmyname | there's really two options, I think | 21:09 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: having more than one person maintaining seems better than option 2 | 21:09 |
| onovy | in option "2" is only "one person". this is not good. 3 is better | 21:09 |
| notmyname | mostly around where the code lives | 21:09 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: that's what I told him | 21:10 |
| notmyname | does the code stay in glance and we poke at it (perhaps with commit rights) or do we move the code to be a project under the swift ubbrella? | 21:10 |
| onovy | https://github.com/openstack/glance_store/tree/master/glance_store/_drivers/swift <-- this is it? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | onovy: yes | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | I think if we want people to use it, it should stay with the project that needs it (glance) | 21:10 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: +1 | 21:10 |
| onovy | +- 1k lines of code | 21:10 |
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| onovy | mattoliverau, +1 too | 21:11 |
| notmyname | yeah, I agree | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | and I also think that it has to be a group (rather than a person) mainaining it | 21:11 |
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| jrichli | +1 for #3 | 21:11 |
| peterlisak | option 3 makes sense | 21:11 |
| notmyname | seeing a lot of support for that | 21:11 |
| onovy | so keep it inside glance, and create new group from glance+swift members | 21:12 |
| notmyname | that was flaper87's idea. it's a good one | 21:12 |
| acoles | notmyname: my hpe glance core colleague, stuart, advised me against option 1, fwiw | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah, interesting. why? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | I think it would actually be a core team for glance drivers, and swift-core would be a member with an agreement that we don't poke the non-swift stuff | 21:13 |
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| acoles | notmyname: because glance should own how glance talks to other core services, just like swift owns keystoneauth, nova has glance driver etc | 21:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok | 21:14 |
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| onovy | notmyname, maybe it's possible to setup permissions for this. just to make changes in some subdirs, etc. don't know | 21:14 |
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| acoles | notmyname: the part of this that concerns me is the plan to change the driver API, at a time when they say they don't have sufficient resource to maintain | 21:15 |
| notmyname | onovy: perhaps. that was actually a conversation in tokyo (wrt neutron, I think), and IIRC the conclusion was "trust people" | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | acoles: :-) | 21:15 |
| onovy | ok | 21:15 |
| lifeless | notmyname: and in vancouver :) | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | lifeless: yeah, you were teh outspoken one there (with wisdom) ;-) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so I'll talk to flaper87 again and say that we want to have a joint core for glance drivers. unless anyone is opposed? | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:16 |
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| acoles | +1 | 21:16 |
| onovy | +1 | 21:16 |
| ho | +1 | 21:16 |
| minwoob | +1 | 21:16 |
| peterlisak | +1 | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ack | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #agreed swift-core team requests core rights for glance-drivers to help maintain the swift driver in the glance repo | 21:17 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:17 |
| kota_ | if making the joint team, do we need one +2 from glance core at least? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | kota_: meh. we can work those details out. I'm not too worried about someone doing the wrong thing (intentionally) | 21:18 |
| ho | i think swift and swiftclient core are good for this. | 21:18 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:18 |
| notmyname | FYI flaper87 ^ (for your scrollback later) | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | Well that's our recommendation, flaper87 will take it to the glance meeting tomorrow (if I remember correctly) | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah, right. thanks | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, hold on to your seats. time to move fast | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #topic testing testr tests | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | the testr functests landed | 21:19 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone who helped get it through! | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I believe you have a final issue on it for follow-on patch? | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | oh, maybe I'm misrememerign? | 21:20 |
| acoles | some of os-testr options did not work, i found that switching to unittest2 fixed that | 21:20 |
| notmyname | oh yeah | 21:20 |
| acoles | i just went to find the patch but...gerrit... | 21:20 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:20 |
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| gmmaha | acoles: patch 258578 | 21:20 |
| patchbot | gmmaha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258578/ - Fix func test --until-failure and --no-discover op... | 21:20 |
| gmmaha | gerrit is back | 21:20 |
| notmyname | gmmaha: but the UI is ....new... | 21:21 |
| gmmaha | notmyname: aah yeah! :) | 21:21 |
| acoles | gmmaha: thanks | 21:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: doesn't unittest2 also bring in that cool subtest thing? | 21:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: idk. tbh it was luck that led me to that fix. | 21:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: luck and the exception trace :) | 21:22 |
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| acoles | gerrit sign in not working for me | 21:22 |
| notmyname | yeah https://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.html#distinguishing-test-iterations-using-subtests | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so there might be other nice reasons to use unittest2 anyway | 21:23 |
| notmyname | ok, so that's the status there | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 206105 | 21:23 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206105/ - Use entrypoints for storage policy implementation ... | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | this is the entrypoints patch | 21:23 |
| notmyname | bringing it up again this week because it still needs reviews | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | I was suppose to take a better look at that, but have failed, but now that testr is in, i'll find some time | 21:24 |
| notmyname | beyond the technical things for the patch itself, what does it imply we support in swift | 21:24 |
| notmyname | the gerrit comments are good | 21:24 |
| notmyname | so look at that | 21:24 |
| notmyname | please | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | #topic other patches to look at | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | janonymous isn't online, but he asked for reviews on patch 227855 about keepalive settings | 21:25 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227855/ - Eventlet green threads not released back to pool | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | ho: your keystone RBAC tests? did they all get messed up from the testr patch? | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | hello, sorry i'm late | 21:26 |
| ho | notmyname: yeah, i will rebase them today. | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ho: thanks. not that testr has landed, I'd like to spend some time on them | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | other patches that need review | 21:27 |
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| ho | notmyname: thanks! | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | copy middleware: patch 156923 | 21:27 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ - Refactor server side copy as middleware | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | this one is blocking other work! | 21:27 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: i'm working on it. right now focusing on decoupling versioning from copy. Hoping to have something posted by friday | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 21:28 |
| acoles | sorry i didnt get to that yet. did the copy_hook stuff get removed? | 21:28 |
| acoles | tdasilva: ok. thanks | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | acoles: not yet, but i'm working on it | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | concurrent reads patch 117710 | 21:28 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117710/ - Add concurrent reads option to proxy | 21:28 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: what's the status here? | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | I've marked it as WIP while I finish some left over work due toe clays last patch | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | I'll try and get that up by Friday (or at least pre-xmas) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | small segments in SLOs patch 252096 | 21:30 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252096/ - Allow smaller segments in static large objects | 21:30 |
| notmyname | just needs one more +2 and it really helps out users, especially after the SLO-ranges feature | 21:30 |
| briancline | oops, here o/ | 21:30 |
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| acoles | i started looking at that, didnt get too far yet though | 21:31 |
| notmyname | cschwede: kota_: would either of you have a chance to look at that one? | 21:31 |
| * peluse says 'oh yeah, a meeting'... | 21:31 | |
| kota_ | sure | 21:31 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yep, will do | 21:31 |
| notmyname | thansk | 21:31 |
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| cschwede | oh, i already starred that. so it’s already on my list ;) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | onovy: peterlisak: the two of you have a couple of patches mentioned | 21:32 |
| notmyname | patch 238799 | 21:32 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config | 21:32 |
| onovy | here i just want to know if: swift should support it natively or not. as i wrote in gerrit, it's usefull inside swift itself | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | that is a great question, especially for briancline, ahale, and other ops | 21:32 |
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| peterlisak | i tried to discuss on irc few times but no answer ... so I put in agenda and hope to get more attention ... | 21:33 |
| onovy | it can't be done inside init script, because we have swift-init | 21:33 |
| onovy | only solution now is to use cron job which is really really weird | 21:33 |
| notmyname | peterlisak: thanks | 21:33 |
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| cschwede | +1 on that. don’t need to modify any other scripts | 21:34 |
| ahale | hi here o/ yeah thats a good idea imo | 21:34 |
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| briancline | onovy: I actually asked our ops folks about this recently. we already control these in production through other means, so we're fine with this going in as long as its optional, which it certainly seems to be | 21:34 |
| onovy | briancline, yep, it's | 21:34 |
| peterlisak | fyi ... most of lines are changes in doc | 21:35 |
| notmyname | peterlisak: yeah | 21:35 |
| onovy | yes that's true. patch itself is simple | 21:35 |
| briancline | i can see situations later where it'll help us to have it in config | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | peterlisak: onovy: ok, so based on views from cschwede and ahale and briancline, definitely a good idea. thanks for working on it | 21:35 |
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| onovy | perfect, so the second one | 21:36 |
| notmyname | the other you had listed on the agenda is patch 229532 | 21:36 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229532/ - swift-init: SIGKILL daemon after kill_wait period. | 21:36 |
| peterlisak | and pls maybe test on other distros ... i just tested on debian | 21:36 |
| onovy | i need to do this hack in init script: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/openstack/swift.git/tree/debian/FOOTER.init.in in debian | 21:37 |
| onovy | which is really weird too :) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | onovy: how does this compare to the swift-oldies script? | 21:37 |
| onovy | notmyname, problem is somewhere else | 21:37 |
| onovy | when i do swift-init .. stop | 21:37 |
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| onovy | that daemons doesn't stop | 21:37 |
| onovy | so you can't start - port in use | 21:37 |
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| onovy | we have this problem in production | 21:38 |
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| onovy | so, now when i want to stop/restart daemon i signal process with sigterm/sighup (using swift-init), wait 60 seconds and then sigkill | 21:38 |
| onovy | if parent process didn't die | 21:39 |
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| onovy | my patch moves this func from init script to swift-init itself, which is better place | 21:39 |
| briancline | onovy: i'll have a look through after meeting and likely +1 this, we've definitely seen this where the process will get stuck | 21:39 |
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| onovy | briancline, perfect | 21:39 |
| briancline | as long as it doesn't affect graceful shutdowns, right? | 21:39 |
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| onovy | briancline, and that's a question | 21:40 |
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| onovy | from my point of view we should kill parent process if it doesn't day in grace period too | 21:40 |
| onovy | die | 21:40 |
| briancline | in the situations where we've seen it get stuck i believe when we strace the process it's just sitting there trying to read() for data that never comes (we're talking hours at least) | 21:40 |
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| onovy | didn't tried to strace it | 21:40 |
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| onovy | how it should work: send sigterm/sighup to PARENT process. parent process die, childs keep running -> this is fine | 21:41 |
| onovy | but when parent process didn't die -> it's stuck, kill it all after grace period with sigkill | 21:41 |
| onovy | all=>process group | 21:41 |
| ho | is there any condition to reproduce? | 21:42 |
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| briancline | well, i would think on a graceful shutdown (swift-init shutdown / reload) it still should respect that a child proc could still be alive because its serving a request (keepalive sessions stick around like this).. the way eventlet doesn't expose enough information about the connections/etc seems like it's best to err on the side of caution on graceful shutdowns, but for hard stops (swift-init stop) it should do what your patch is proposing, i would think | 21:42 |
| onovy | ho, no :/ it hangs "sometimes" | 21:42 |
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| onovy | briancline, so you are suggesting what peterlisak suggests too | 21:42 |
| onovy | when there are gracefull shutdown, kill only parent, not group | 21:42 |
| ho | onovy: thanks. | 21:42 |
| onovy | same for reload (gracefull shutdown + start) | 21:43 |
| onovy | right? | 21:43 |
| briancline | well | 21:43 |
| briancline | what i'm thinking is don't try to force a kill on a graceful shutdown, only on the hard shutdown | 21:44 |
| onovy | how can you do gracefull reload then? | 21:44 |
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| briancline | or, i guess we could set the grace period really high for graceful shutdowns, but that would mean hard shutdowns also use that same timeout too | 21:44 |
| ho | I'm interested in the problem. i will investigate it. | 21:44 |
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| briancline | same here, i think i need to revisit the patch and test with it a bit | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | onovy: thanks for bringing it up. ho and briancline, thanks for looking | 21:45 |
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| onovy | ok, thanks you. me and peterlisak will respon to your questions | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | I'll see if anyone here (swiftstack) has any opinions on it too | 21:45 |
| peterlisak | notmyname, yeah, thanks | 21:46 |
| notmyname | kota_: you had 2 patches listed on the agenda | 21:46 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:46 |
| notmyname | patch 198633 and patch 198634 | 21:46 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198633/ - Last-Modified header support on HEAD/GET container | 21:46 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198634/ - Support last modified on listing containers | 21:46 |
| kota_ | that allows to make container-listing show the last-modified timestamp for each container. | 21:46 |
| kota_ | I talked in vancouver | 21:46 |
| kota_ | i think they are too closer to land, I got +2 sometimes | 21:47 |
| kota_ | but rebasing affects to loose it :/ | 21:47 |
| acoles | kota_: i need to cycle back round to those | 21:47 |
| kota_ | so briging up to ask someone to re-review :) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 21:48 |
| kota_ | not so a problem and new changes | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | #topic general stuff | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general stuff (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:49 | |
| notmyname | first up, are we going to meet during the next two weeks? there's often a lot of vacation (at least in the US) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | so who would be here if we had a meeting the next two weeks? | 21:49 |
| acoles | notmyname: 23rd maybe, 30th no | 21:50 |
| kota_ | maybe I'm | 21:50 |
| * onovy says: Merry Christmas and happy new year :) so no | 21:50 | |
| mattoliverau | next week is Xmas eve for me, I might be be available tho I do have to drive 8 hours that day, the week after I wont be around. | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | ok, then how about this | 21:50 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: you always have to be first :) | 21:50 |
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| tdasilva | i'd be around the 23rd, the off for a while | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | let's not schedule any more meetings for this year, and stay active in IRC if there are questions | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:51 |
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| kota_ | +1 | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:51 |
| ho | notmyname: +1 | 21:51 |
| acoles | ok | 21:51 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:51 |
| notmyname | lot's of time for reviews :-) | 21:51 |
| briancline | have an enjoyable holiday everyone | 21:51 |
| minwoob | +1 | 21:51 |
| peterlisak | +1 | 21:51 |
| onovy | +2 | 21:52 |
| notmyname | any updates from anyone else on ongoing stuff? crypto? container sync? container sharding? ec-related patches? | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | On that note then, I raised a new patch late yes arvo (for me) patch 258280 which once I push a new patchset up later this morning, I think would b e good to review cause it fixes up a problem an Op was having yesterday. | 21:52 |
| patchbot | mattoliverau: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258280/ - Pass HTTP_REFERER down to subrequests | 21:52 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: right! that's a good one. fixes what looks to be an annoying (to users) bug | 21:52 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: good catch | 21:52 |
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| mattoliverau | it allows you to set the same referer on a *LO segments container rather then having to have it global readable | 21:53 |
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| mattoliverau | 1 lline fix, multi line in functional tests :) | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | last bit of stuff from me is about the hackathon. acoles and I are still working on logistics. will update people as we have more info. it's in bristol, UK the week of feb 28 | 21:54 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:54 |
| eranrom | Making progress with acoles on container sync (thanks acoles!) otherwise, we have found a juicy one today: all client calls catch ClientException where they should catch urllib.HTTPError exceptions | 21:54 |
| blmartin | Container sharding, minwoob and bjkeller have been working on fixing unit tests that do not agree with the sharding changes! | 21:54 |
| jrichli | i have something, but can talk in channel if needed | 21:54 |
| onovy | just fyi: swauth 1.1.0 is out | 21:54 |
| acoles | is jrichli here to talk about encrypting content-type? | 21:54 |
| jrichli | acoles, yes | 21:54 |
| jrichli | some of us working on crypto have made a decision/proposal that needs agreement from everybody | 21:54 |
| acoles | jrichli: oops cross-posted | 21:54 |
| notmyname | jrichli: go | 21:55 |
| notmyname | (fast ;-) | 21:55 |
| jrichli | we are suggesting that we no longer encrypt the content-type for our first version of encryption | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | blmartin et el: thanks guys | 21:55 |
| jrichli | encrypting the content-type has caused many issues - and much time. and we still don't have solutions for all the problems that it causes | 21:55 |
| notmyname | content-type in the container DB or in the object metadata too? | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | blmartin: now that testr's in I'll loop back around on sharding trello :) | 21:55 |
| blmartin | mattoliverau: nice! | 21:55 |
| jrichli | notmyname: it would not be encrypted at rest anywhere. (right, both) | 21:56 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:56 |
| acoles | notmyname: object metadata creates the harder problems | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | not what I would have expected | 21:56 |
| jrichli | we have considered whether it will be ok to implement this encryption later, and to the best of our knowledge, the answer to that is yes | 21:56 |
| acoles | notmyname: with multipart responses, we don't know how long they are a priori when decrypting | 21:56 |
| onovy | if someone can get me opinion for patch 251151 ; just say localtime or gmt, that's all :) | 21:57 |
| patchbot | onovy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251151/ - Show local time in swift-recon in replication part | 21:57 |
| acoles | notmyname: because we don't know how may encrypted content-type headers will come in the multiple parts | 21:57 |
| acoles | s/may/many | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ok. I'll have to look more to understand :-) | 21:58 |
| jrichli | any concerns? thoughts? I think that we will want to confirm with clayg and torgomatic when they are around | 21:58 |
| notmyname | but in general I trust that acoles and jrichli are making the right call | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: yeah, there's the general concern of "not everything is encrypted", but that's now new | 21:59 |
| acoles | i see this as tactical scope reduction in order to make progress to some working artifact | 21:59 |
| notmyname | acoles: which is exactly how jrichli described it to me. and that's reasonable | 21:59 |
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| mattoliverau | I think reducing scope is ok, things can be added later | 22:00 |
| notmyname | we're at time | 22:00 |
| jrichli | thanks :-). I guess we will go with that for now, but again, i will feel better when there is a thumb's up from clayg and torgomatic | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you for coming today and thanks for working on swift | 22:00 |
| notmyname | jrichli: yes. ping them in -swift or tomorrow | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| jrichli | k | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 16 22:00:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-16-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-16-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-16-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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