| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | time for congress | 00:00 |
| fabiog | hi | 00:00 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 00:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | fabiog: hi | 00:01 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: hi | 00:01 |
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| fabiog | nobody else around ? | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | fabiog: I remember you sending out a survey. But then I couldn't find it. | 00:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | fabiog: a survey for the mid-cycle meetup | 00:02 |
| pballand | hi | 00:02 |
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| ramineni_ | hi | 00:02 |
| freerunner | o/ | 00:02 |
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| fabiog | thinrichs: http://doodle.com/poll/iinvncz7298rq9wbfqdspft2/admin#table | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi | 00:02 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: some people already listed themselves there | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | fabiog: thanks. | 00:03 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: I would actually get some consensus today, so I can start planning | 00:03 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: like to get | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | fabiog: understood | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | My agenda for today: | 00:03 |
| masahito | hi | 00:03 |
| joonmyung | hi | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 1. distributed arch | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 2. python3 | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 3. midcycle meetup | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | 4. tempest tests | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 5. devstack gate | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | #topic distributed arch | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: how's it going? | 00:06 |
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| pballand | was on vacation last week, sorry for not sending an update for last weeks meeting | 00:07 |
| pballand | I’ve been trying various angles at getting the fake driver working in oslo.messaging | 00:07 |
| pballand | it seems that it doesn’t work with multiple topics, namespaces, or versions | 00:08 |
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| pballand | unfortunately, we need one of those for the design to work | 00:08 |
| pballand | the rabbit driver does appear to work, but that makes it difficult for testing or running without dependencies | 00:08 |
| pballand | options: continue with functionality using rabbit, don’t do testing | 00:09 |
| pballand | (1) | 00:09 |
| pballand | 2) continue debugging the oslo.messaging fake driver | 00:09 |
| pballand | 3) write a new olso messaging driver | 00:09 |
| pballand | we can try multiple things in parallel | 00:10 |
| pballand | but I’m stuck on 2 and could use help | 00:10 |
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| pballand | thoughts? | 00:10 |
| fabiog | pballand: have you reached out to the oslo folks? | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | I'm in favor of having good unit tests (eventually). | 00:11 |
| masahito | oslo team said they don't maintenance fake driver now. so they said it would be a bug. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | Can we have good unit tests without the fake driver? | 00:11 |
| pballand | I think an in-memory driver is necessary for unit tests | 00:11 |
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| pballand | others may disagree I guess... | 00:12 |
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| su_zhang | hello all | 00:13 |
| su_zhang | what's the current topic for congress? | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: status on the distributed arch | 00:13 |
| pballand | proposal: I will move forward pushing the existing code and add the rest of the functionality using manual testing with rabbit driver | 00:13 |
| su_zhang | sounds beautiful | 00:13 |
| pballand | in parallel (hopefuly) someone else can pick up trying to fix or replace the fake driver | 00:14 |
| pballand | anyone up for that? | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | pballand: so you're proposing to merge the existing code (without adding any tests that gate future commits) and let us all jointly work on getting the gating tests in place. | 00:15 |
| pballand | ping? | 00:15 |
| pballand | thinrichs: exactly | 00:15 |
| masahito | i try to do it | 00:15 |
| pballand | the cude is compeltely standalone so far, so it shouldn’t affect much | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | So effectively this makes it easier for people to collaborate on getting the unit tests working than if the code were sitting in gerrit. | 00:16 |
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| pballand | masahito: that would be great! | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | The system will function exactly the same before and after the merge. | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | ? | 00:17 |
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| pballand | yup - no affect whatsoever | 00:17 |
| pballand | just a couple new files | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | That seems like a good way to give everyone a chance to get involved. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | It also sounds like we can start doing several things in parallel… | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | 1. continue development of dsenode | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | 2. develop unit tests for dsenode | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | 3. integrate datasources, policy engine, api with new dsenode | 00:18 |
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| pballand | ok, then I will move forward with pushing the standalone dsenode2 | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | (The last we want to be careful of — to ensure we can run either in the distributed or non-distributed mode — but we can make progress.) | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | pballand: sounds good to me. | 00:19 |
| pballand | thanks | 00:19 |
| fabiog | pballand: could you please post the review link? | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | any other questions, comments, concerns? | 00:20 |
| masahito | who will be assigned to 2 and 3? | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | masahito: I think you signed up for (2) | 00:21 |
| masahito | yes | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | pballand is working on (1), though it seems it should be mostly working | 00:22 |
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| thinrichs | I think we want to make progress on unit tests (2) so we know whether we're doing the integration (3) correctly. | 00:22 |
| pballand | I still have some methods to throw back in (they were pulled out to make testing easier until the fake driver was working) | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | pballand: do you have any manual tests in code that we could expand to check if we're doing integrations properly? | 00:23 |
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| thinrichs | That is, is there a test framework for running with the real rabbit driver? | 00:25 |
| pballand | yes - it’s all in there | 00:25 |
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| pballand | but it is standalone, so you need to create a venv to run it | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | are there instructions? | 00:25 |
| pballand | I’ll add them before pushing | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | Can we have one person other than pballand and masahito volunteer to try out pballand's test framework for the rabbit driver by next week? | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: I should have asked this first: when do you think we'll push it in? | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Sorry—when do you think you will push the code in? | 00:27 |
| pballand | I should have it in by end of day tomorrow (PST) | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | I can work with pballand on it too. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | That's enough time for someone to try out the instructions. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: great! | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | Some actions items... | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | #action pballand will commit the DseNode code | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | #action masahito will work on getting a unit test framework (e.g. couple of example tests) in place and working | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | #action ekcs will try out pballand's test framework for the real rabbit driver | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | Then if all goes well, next week we can have a couple of people do an integration or two of the API and policy engine. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Sound good? | 00:30 |
| ekcs | #agreed | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | # | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | next topic | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | #topic python3 status | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: how's python3 going? | 00:31 |
| ekcs | It's going well. Number of Py34 test fails dropping quickly with each patch. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | ~400 fails in antlr patch | 00:31 |
| ekcs | ~100 fails in datalog patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248946/ | 00:31 |
| ekcs | ~30 fails in datasources patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252165/ | 00:31 |
| ekcs | API patch coming this week. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | After that only loose ends should remain. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | My goal is to be down to zero fails sometime next week. Then hopefully we can make Py34 voting when all these patches are merged. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | Nice progress! | 00:32 |
| masahito | great! | 00:32 |
| ekcs | like before, reviews appreciated. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | I didn't make a review pass today like I'd planned. I'm planning to do it tomorrow or after the meeting. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | Sorry all. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: I just noticed a py27 antlr failure. Don't know how widespread this is. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | #link http://logs.openstack.org/09/247109/11/check/gate-congress-python27/abc02fc/console.html | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | It's just a requirements.txt update | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247109/ | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | The error is saying that there's no antlr3 module found. | 00:34 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: why is setup.py modified here, i think failure because of that | 00:35 |
| ekcs | yea that makes sense. setup.py sets up the symlinks for antlr3. | 00:35 |
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| ekcs | maybe we’re not supposed to do that. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | there are alternatives, but none of them pretty. | 00:36 |
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| ekcs | one alternative to the symlink setup is to let each file decode based on py version which antlr3 runtime to import. That works, the drawback is that we have to modify the import section of generated code (CongressParser and CongressLexer) | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | That seems bad if the auto-jobs are deleting something we depend on. | 00:38 |
| ekcs | I’ve been thinking about doing it that way instead for easier testing (don’t have to run setup.py each time), but it seems bad to have to modify generated code too. This situation may just push to in that direction though. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: #agreed | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: could you look into this? Maybe post to openstack-dev? | 00:39 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: ok | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: seems you have a lot on your plate. | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: but we need to keep our requirements up to date. It's not urgent, but we should start looking into it this week. | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: got it. | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: would you rather someone else work with pballand on working with the rabbit driver test framework? | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: sure that could help, just to ensure that py3 stuff doesn’t get delayed. | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs | Any volunteers? | 00:43 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: let me try it out | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: thanks! | 00:43 |
| ekcs | ramineni: thanks | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | pballand: could you work with ramineni once you get the dsenode code merged? | 00:43 |
| pballand | sure, will do | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | #topic midcycle meetup | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | Anyone who is interested in attending the mid-cycle meetup, which will be held in the bay area, needs to fill out this poll. | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | http://doodle.com/poll/iinvncz7298rq9wbfqdspft2/admin#table | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | I haven't done this yet; anyone else planning on filling it out? | 00:45 |
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| fabiog | thinrichs: I just found out that Mon 18 is MLK Day | 00:46 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: are we shooting for 3 days? | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | fabiog offered to host and asked that we get some dates settled today. But I think that by Friday or next Wed is more likely | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs | The topics we settled on were: distributed architecture, HA architecture, and monasca integration. | 00:47 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: I will not be able to attend next wed since I am at an offsite | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | fabiog: is it okay if I email you final dates next wed? | 00:48 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: yes, perfectly fine | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | All: we'll close the poll this Friday. Next week I'll look at the options and let fabiog know which ones seem to work best. | 00:48 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: I just need to take care of logistics, like room, catering and dinner before I leave for the break :-) | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Any thoughts about whether we should have 2 days or 3 days? | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | fabiog: totally understand; thanks so much for arranging everything! | 00:49 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: my pleasure | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | I'd lean toward 3 days: (i) distributed architecture: overview, status, code sprint. (ii) monasca integration where hopefully we can have that discussion in light of the distributed architecture. (iii) HA discussion. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | I'd hope the monasca team could attend the overview part of day 1 | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | so we're all on the same page wrt day 2 | 00:52 |
| ekcs | Makes sense. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | And then the HA day is last so we take the monasca integration into account, if necessary. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | That's just off the top of my head, though. So other suggestions would be great. | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs | 5 minutes left. Let's just open for discussion. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:54 |
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| ramineni | had patch up , for having diff gate jon for stable branches , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250598/4 | 00:55 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hi freerunner and came here to give you tell you, that murano-integration gate has landed ) | 00:55 |
| freerunner | Hey guys! Murano team have some news for you. First: As you can see, the murano-congress integration gate appeared in congress repo ;) Second: What about merging this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249023/ ;) | 00:55 |
| ramineni | appreciate any reviews :) | 00:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: although it seems red right now )) | 00:55 |
| fabiog | thinrichs: I am still working on a Monasca driver, but I have to get the python-monasca client in the global requirements that opened a bunch of stuff to be done, so it will take longer than planned | 00:55 |
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| alexsyip | My changes to finish the synchronizer merged a couple weeks ago. I haven’t tested it, but all the code for basic HA should be in place now. | 00:56 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Not exactly =) I hope, that thinrichs help us to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249023/ , then the gate become green. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | kzaitsev_mb: Great! I saw that. Thanks for getting that done. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: will do. Thanks for pointing us to it. | 00:57 |
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| thinrichs | freerunner: I'll get to that patch hopefully tonight | 00:57 |
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| freerunner | thinrichs: Great news ;) | 00:58 |
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| thinrichs | fabiog: great! let us know if we can help | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: it's great to have the synchronizer code in our back pocket once the distributed arch lands. | 00:59 |
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| alexsyip | You can use basic HA without the rest of the distributed architecture. | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs | alexsyip: right—if we deploy multiple congresses. Thanks for the reminder! | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | We're out of time for this week. Thanks all! | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 01:01:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-12-03-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-12-03-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-12-03-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
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| masahito | thank. bye | 01:01 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 06:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:00 |
| ianychoi | Hello, Daisy. How are you going? :) | 06:01 |
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| Daisy | Hi, ianychoi | 06:01 |
| Daisy | I'm good. How about you ? | 06:01 |
| katomo | o/ | 06:02 |
| ianychoi | Good, except that lots of my company work is coming.. :) | 06:02 |
| ianychoi | Hello, Kato-san! | 06:02 |
| Daisy | I didn't notice my mail didn't send out yesterday. Something is wrong with my mail server. Sorry for the late notice. | 06:02 |
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| katomo | hello, ianychoi | 06:02 |
| katomo | Daisy: np | 06:02 |
| Daisy | OK. Let's start. | 06:03 |
| aeng | hi | 06:03 |
| ianychoi | Hi, aeng! | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Welcome, aeng | 06:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Discussion: Bug management process in Launchpad | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246256 | 06:03 |
| Daisy | In this patch, Akihiro changed the structure. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | In doc/source/bug_report.rst, it's quick simple. So guide people to report bugs to lunchpad. | 06:04 |
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| Daisy | And a new rst file is added: doc/source/bug_process.rst | 06:05 |
| Daisy | In bug_process.rst, there are several questions raised by Akihiro. | 06:06 |
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| Daisy | I don't know if I'm right. Just feeling we could follow the usually bug processing of Launchpad to manage. | 06:06 |
| Daisy | There are a few questions we should discuss here: | 06:07 |
| Daisy | How can we catagorize bugs written in a language nobody can read? 'unknown' tag? | 06:07 |
| Daisy | Do you think we could receive such bugs written in a language that nobody can read ? | 06:08 |
| aeng | I would its very rare but its possible given its an open community | 06:08 |
| Daisy | I don't know if it would happen. Because there may be some non-English bugs reporting to translations. If they are translations, there might be some translators who can read the bugs. | 06:09 |
| aeng | agree. Not unless only 1 translators in that language | 06:09 |
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| aeng | But regardless, there's tools to convert it english. | 06:10 |
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| Daisy | Good idea, aeng. We could use Google translate to translate, maybe . | 06:10 |
| aeng | what tag we are using now for lets say Japanese bug? | 06:10 |
| Daisy | hehe | 06:10 |
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| ianychoi | Nice :) | 06:11 |
| Daisy | Like Japanese | 06:11 |
| ianychoi | Auto-language detection | 06:11 |
| aeng | I would say if nobody can read, reply to the reporter to convert it to English, or we can convert to English and then decide what category it goes to | 06:12 |
| Daisy | Yes, good point. | 06:12 |
| Daisy | Another question is whether we need to create a bug team. | 06:12 |
| katomo | agree | 06:12 |
| Daisy | katomo: are there a bug team in doc team who are responsible to handle bug reports ? | 06:13 |
| Daisy | katomo: or all team members could handle bug reports ? | 06:13 |
| katomo | none | 06:13 |
| Daisy | so all members could. | 06:13 |
| Daisy | I like this answer. | 06:13 |
| katomo | there is a defined bugs team, which is freely join :) | 06:14 |
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| Daisy | so we don't want complicate. Let's open it to all team. | 06:14 |
| katomo | But, Docs cores take care bug triage process, and follow up | 06:14 |
| ianychoi | By the way, I have one question related to this. Let's suppose that if one bug reporter posts openstack-manuals launchpad for translation errors. Then, should we move this bug to openstack-i18n launchpad? or use "affects project" functionality? | 06:14 |
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| ianychoi | I am asking it because.. we might need to use the same bug status as openstack-manuals.. if we use "affects project" functionality. | 06:15 |
| katomo | Daisy: agree to open to all | 06:15 |
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| Daisy | katomo: could you answer ianychoi question ? If a bug is related to other projects, how to handle it ? | 06:16 |
| katomo | ianychoi: yes, need change "affects project" | 06:16 |
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| aeng | so both bug's status needs to be in sync | 06:16 |
| aeng | ? | 06:16 |
| Daisy | katomo: usually, shall we keep the bugs open in our project if the root cause is by other projects ? | 06:16 |
| Daisy | aeng: yes, sync automatically | 06:17 |
| katomo | aeng: both or either, If affect both, take cake both. If affect only i18n, simply move to i18n (become deleted from docs) | 06:17 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:18 |
| Daisy | That's much clear. | 06:18 |
| Daisy | so I will write bug-processing.rst and hope we could merge this patch soon. | 06:18 |
| Daisy | Any questions to bug process ? | 06:19 |
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| ianychoi | And.. about priority? | 06:19 |
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| Daisy | a good question. | 06:19 |
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| Daisy | I think I18n core team could decide. | 06:19 |
| Daisy | because i18n core team will do the bug triage, and define the priority. | 06:20 |
| ianychoi | Yes, good :) | 06:20 |
| aeng | make sense since they are doing triage | 06:20 |
| Daisy | Next topic | 06:20 |
| Daisy | #topic Discussion: Glossary management process | 06:21 |
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| Daisy | The current status is: glossary is in pot format and it is stored in our repo. | 06:21 |
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| Daisy | The synchronization jobs are not enable because i18n.pot is different from other projects. It's not generated. | 06:22 |
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| aeng | sync job between the file and Zanata? | 06:23 |
| Daisy | At the beginning, I planned to change the job scripts to upload/download po and pot by force, whether i18n.pot is changed or not. | 06:23 |
| Daisy | aeng: Yes | 06:23 |
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| Daisy | But I didn't commit such changes because I don't like it. | 06:23 |
| katomo | don't like? | 06:24 |
| Daisy | I think, the upload/download actions should be taken only when i18n.pot is changed. | 06:24 |
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| ianychoi | Actually I do not the glossary process in Zanata, but any language coordinators can edit glossaries in Zanata? | 06:24 |
| ianychoi | s/the/know/ | 06:24 |
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| aeng | ianychoi, anyone with "glosasrist" role can edit any language of translation in glossary | 06:25 |
| Daisy | So I'm trying to find a way to determine whether i18n.pot is changed. | 06:25 |
| katomo | okay | 06:25 |
| ianychoi | Thanks, aeng. | 06:25 |
| Daisy | If i18n.pot is changed, the upload action should be taken. If I18n.pot is not changed, it should not be uploaded. | 06:25 |
| aeng | how is the i18n.pot being changed? | 06:26 |
| aeng | manually commit to git and create pull request? | 06:26 |
| Daisy | i18n.pot is manually edited. It contains all the glossaries. | 06:26 |
| katomo | How about zuul job? | 06:27 |
| aeng | manually edited by translators? | 06:27 |
| Daisy | Yes, aeng | 06:27 |
| Daisy | what is zuul job ? | 06:27 |
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| Daisy | katomo: can you share me some links ? | 06:27 |
| katomo | gate jobs | 06:27 |
| aeng | ok, perhaps we should stop doing that manual editing. With Zanata 3.8.0, they can edit it straight in Zanata | 06:27 |
| katomo | jenkins | 06:27 |
| Daisy | aeng: that's the point. | 06:28 |
| katomo | i.e. When we commit glossary to i18n repo, Jenkins upload the glossary to Zanata | 06:28 |
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| aeng | katomo, good point. Jenkins should be able to hookup to git commit | 06:28 |
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| katomo | as, not a daily job | 06:28 |
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| aeng | yeah, we use github to fire webhook to jenkins | 06:29 |
| aeng | But Glossary management feature will be release in Zanata 3.8.0, and we are planning to have it ready before Christmas. | 06:29 |
| ianychoi | I do not know some details of automated jobs, but git hook would be a good to take care of this I think. | 06:29 |
| Daisy | As aeng said: in Zanata 3.8 which will be released before Christmas, there will be a feature in Zanata: glossarist could add and edit glossaries. | 06:29 |
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| aeng | so all these problems should be gone | 06:30 |
| Daisy | No, aeng | 06:30 |
| Daisy | There is no way for us to upload/download the glossaries and stored in our git. | 06:30 |
| aeng | ah... | 06:30 |
| ianychoi | aeng: then, i18n pot files are managed by Zanata web UI, and can we download i18n.pot file from Zanata UI from 3.8.0? | 06:30 |
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| ianychoi | or stored to somewhere on git.... | 06:31 |
| aeng | ianychoi, good point. We are discussing export feature now for glossary | 06:31 |
| aeng | not in the plan yet | 06:31 |
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| katomo | also, we need review process for glossary change | 06:32 |
| katomo | *glossary itself, not a glossary translation | 06:32 |
| Daisy | If we choose to use Zanata to manage our glossaries, we don't need git to store them and we don't need jobs to upload and download them. If we use git to store the glossaries, we cannot use the glossary editor of Zanata, we will define our own process and then, after glossaries are changed, I need to manually upload glossaries in a csv file. | 06:32 |
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| Daisy | Not sure if I describe clearly. | 06:33 |
| Daisy | Just two opitions | 06:33 |
| aeng | very clearly | 06:33 |
| katomo | hm | 06:33 |
| ianychoi | so clear :) | 06:33 |
| Daisy | one is to use Zanata glossary management process, the other one is to use our own process. | 06:33 |
| aeng | since katomo mentioned the review as part of process, i think git is the way to go | 06:34 |
| aeng | for the time being | 06:34 |
| aeng | and like ianychoi mentioned, we can't export yet from Zanata. | 06:34 |
| Daisy | if we need glossary definition review, we do need to create the process by ourselves. | 06:34 |
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| aeng | yeah, then we can't use Zanata for the glossary management. Because they can add/edit glossary without review | 06:35 |
| Daisy | I have an idea. I will change the glossary file from pot to a rst, with some format. And the rst file will contain both the glossary, and the context definition, just as Akihiro requested in his email. | 06:35 |
| Daisy | And then, I create a script to extract the glossary from the rst and change into a pot file. In that situation, the i18n.pot is generated , same as other projects. | 06:36 |
| Daisy | so we could follow the other projects process to upload, translate and download. | 06:37 |
| aeng | but how often you run the extraction? | 06:37 |
| katomo | sounds good | 06:37 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 06:37 |
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| Daisy | The only thing that cannot be manually done, is that, I should covert the pot/po files into cvs file and upload to Zanata. | 06:38 |
| Daisy | s/cannot/can | 06:38 |
| Daisy | no, still wrong. | 06:38 |
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| aeng | why dont you extract from rst and straight into csv? | 06:39 |
| Daisy | The only thing that cannot be automatic done, is that, I should covert the pot/po files into cvs file and upload to Zanata. | 06:39 |
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| Daisy | does Zanata support csv translation ? | 06:39 |
| aeng | yes | 06:39 |
| ianychoi | I think Jenkins or Zuul would support to convert automatically after merge (some guys would make a kind of scripts..) | 06:40 |
| aeng | http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/glossary/upload-glossaries/ | 06:40 |
| aeng | po and CSV files | 06:40 |
| Daisy | so po files are supported as a kind of glossary format. | 06:40 |
| Daisy | That's good. | 06:41 |
| Daisy | So I don't need to convert to csv. I just use po files. | 06:41 |
| aeng | yeah.. if thats the format you wish to use | 06:41 |
| katomo | csv doesn't seem to have context... | 06:41 |
| Daisy | Yes, katomo | 06:41 |
| ianychoi | agree. Then let's use just po files | 06:42 |
| Daisy | aeng: how is Zanata support context ? | 06:42 |
| aeng | katomo, we support pos and description in CSV | 06:42 |
| katomo | i think po file with translator help is preferable. | 06:42 |
| ianychoi | I agree with katomo | 06:42 |
| Daisy | If we put a context description is a pot, will it be shown in the translator editor ? | 06:42 |
| katomo | aeng: great | 06:42 |
| aeng | for po files, we uses the po comments as context | 06:42 |
| Daisy | will the po comments be shown in the translation editor ? | 06:43 |
| aeng | Daisy, yes | 06:43 |
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| Daisy | ok. That solves our problems. | 06:43 |
| katomo | hm... "description column" at data rows | 06:43 |
| aeng | Daisy, sorry, need to double check on that | 06:43 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:43 |
| Daisy | I'm much clear now. | 06:44 |
| Daisy | Thank you guys. | 06:44 |
| Daisy | let's move to open discussions. | 06:44 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 06:44 |
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| Daisy | Any topics to discuss here ? | 06:44 |
| katomo | stackalytics ? | 06:45 |
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| aeng | Daisy, just confirmed, we dont show po's comment, but we show pot's comment in editor | 06:45 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 06:46 |
| katomo | Daisy: do you know the current status about stackalytics? | 06:46 |
| aeng | katomo, stackalytics, I'm working on the contributors list api and statistic for review | 06:46 |
| Daisy | katomo: sorry, katomo, not much. | 06:46 |
| katomo | aeng: thanks | 06:46 |
| aeng | but not sure how much is done in openstack space | 06:47 |
| Daisy | aeng is helping us on the Zanata API. | 06:47 |
| Daisy | I didn't hear from Ilya recently. I will follow up with him. | 06:47 |
| aeng | think they might still be waiting on the Zanata api first before can proceed | 06:47 |
| Daisy | then Transifex | 06:47 |
| Daisy | I have handled all the requests. | 06:48 |
| katomo | nice work, Daisy | 06:48 |
| Daisy | I want to do a back up before we completly delete it. | 06:48 |
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| Daisy | do you have any suggestions on how to do the back up ? I could download all the resources. | 06:48 |
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| aeng | pull all the resources using their client | 06:49 |
| Daisy | In my mind, I could use github to store all these resources. | 06:49 |
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| ianychoi | For transifex, I have found that two docs pages mention Transifex on the bottom. | 06:49 |
| aeng | agree on github | 06:49 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/fr/ | 06:49 |
| katomo | agree | 06:49 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/pt_BR/ | 06:49 |
| ianychoi | Sorry for the first one | 06:50 |
| Daisy | ok. somebody should change it, Thank you, ianychoi. | 06:50 |
| ianychoi | But I don't know French.. :) | 06:50 |
| aeng | good eye on that | 06:50 |
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| katomo | okay, I will fix | 06:50 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/de/ | 06:50 |
| ianychoi | German also | 06:50 |
| aeng | should visit all the language for that page | 06:50 |
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| katomo | Fortunatelly, there are Frence and German at docs core. | 06:51 |
| Daisy | Any other questions ? | 06:51 |
| katomo | stats? | 06:52 |
| Daisy | stats ? | 06:52 |
| ianychoi | katomo, thanks for caring that :) | 06:52 |
| katomo | Transifex activity itself exists on Transifex | 06:52 |
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| katomo | no need anymore? | 06:52 |
| Daisy | I didn't understand, katomo | 06:52 |
| aeng | are we using those stats? | 06:52 |
| Daisy | you mean, the statistic data ? | 06:53 |
| ianychoi | Transifex is currently disabled.. isn't it? | 06:53 |
| katomo | Daisy: yes | 06:53 |
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| katomo | aeng: we use it for ATC | 06:53 |
| Daisy | There is no translations since October | 06:53 |
| Daisy | a very few translations in Sep. | 06:53 |
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| Daisy | very few translations in September. | 06:54 |
| aeng | so the stats might be outdated already. | 06:54 |
| Daisy | I think for next ATC, we could use Zanata data. | 06:54 |
| Daisy | How do you think of that, katomo ? | 06:54 |
| aeng | yeah, we got api for translators statistics | 06:54 |
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| katomo | ATC is one year | 06:55 |
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| aeng | so pulling the stats @ december 31? | 06:55 |
| ianychoi | at least one activity for latest two releases.. | 06:55 |
| ianychoi | each one activity | 06:55 |
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| katomo | but, it may be not so important | 06:56 |
| Daisy | So one option is we keep Transifex till next September. The other one is that we export data and save it somewhere. | 06:56 |
| ianychoi | for Mitaka, +1 for Liberty and +1 for Mitaka development... strictly | 06:56 |
| aeng | not sure if transifex can export stats | 06:56 |
| Daisy | I need to check if I could export all the information. | 06:57 |
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| aeng | yeah, but if can't, then keep it until next sept | 06:57 |
| ianychoi | I think after next April, stats would be considered for Oct 2015 to April 2015, and Apr 2015-Oct 2015. | 06:57 |
| aeng | so its always april-oct stats? | 06:58 |
| katomo | ianychoi: i think so | 06:58 |
| Daisy | katomo: Transifex could easily query the statistic data, from a beginning data to an end data. I think exporting into an EXCEL file might lose some information. | 06:58 |
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| katomo | aeng: the key point is OpenStack release cycle | 06:58 |
| aeng | ah, gotcha | 06:59 |
| katomo | Daisy: great | 06:59 |
| katomo | it's time... | 06:59 |
| ianychoi | Yep | 06:59 |
| ianychoi | Then nothing more from me | 06:59 |
| katomo | query, save, and "delete all". | 06:59 |
| Daisy | so ianychoi and katomo : according to the release cycle, when do we not need Tansfiex stats data ? | 06:59 |
| ianychoi | after next May | 07:00 |
| Daisy | ok. Thank you. | 07:00 |
| katomo | after Mitaka release | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:00 |
| Daisy | Then I prefer to keep it till next May. | 07:00 |
| aeng | yup. agree | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 07:00 |
| Daisy | ok. | 07:00 |
| Daisy | Thank you guys for all the important inputs. | 07:00 |
| katomo | you need the data after Kilo release activity | 07:00 |
| katomo | > Daisy | 07:00 |
| Daisy | ok, got it. | 07:00 |
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| Daisy | I will close the meeting now. | 07:01 |
| aeng | alright, thank you guys. Thanks Daisy for chairing this | 07:01 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 07:01 |
| katomo | thanks | 07:01 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 07:01 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks all! | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 07:01:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-12-03-06.00.html | 07:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-12-03-06.00.txt | 07:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-12-03-06.00.log.html | 07:01 |
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| shamail | Anyone here for the ops tags team meeting? | 14:01 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting ops tags | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 14:03:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops tags)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_tags' | 14:03 |
| shamail | I'll wait for 10 minutes before ending the meeting. | 14:04 |
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| shamail | I will discuss items via mailing list since we have no attendees today. | 14:09 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 14:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 14:10:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ops_tags.2015-12-03-14.03.html | 14:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ops_tags.2015-12-03-14.03.txt | 14:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ops_tags.2015-12-03-14.03.log.html | 14:10 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting telemetry | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 15:01:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telemetry' | 15:01 |
| nijaba | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu | o/ | 15:01 |
| r-mibu | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | lets' start | 15:02 |
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| gordc | cdent: welcome back | 15:02 |
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| cdent | thanks | 15:02 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap (Meeting topic: telemetry)" | 15:02 | |
| gordc | just a quick update, Mitaka-1 is in processed of being tagged | 15:02 |
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| gordc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 15:03 |
| gordc | this is your release cycle in case you're interested | 15:03 |
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| gordc | we should probably get started on reviewing specs so people can start working on them. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | make sense? | 15:04 |
| r-mibu | ack | 15:04 |
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| ildikov | yeap | 15:04 |
| jd__ | k | 15:05 |
| gordc | cool. feel free to mention any spec related items as we run through each project | 15:05 |
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| gordc | #topic aodh topics | 15:05 |
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| gordc | any aodh topics we want to address? | 15:05 |
| gordc | i know there's a thread relating to vitrage | 15:05 |
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| gordc | i assume that's still being discussed but no issues? | 15:05 |
| jd__ | indeed | 15:06 |
| pradk | o/ | 15:06 |
| ildikov | I'm still reading it | 15:06 |
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| Guest51944 | o/ | 15:06 |
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| r-mibu | yeah, it's interesting | 15:06 |
| gordc | jd__: it's weird regarding 1 min alarm creation | 15:07 |
| jd__ | gordc: it's just the cache ttl | 15:07 |
| ildikov | yeah, it's the time for creating an alarm | 15:07 |
| gordc | ah, yeah. that makes sense. | 15:07 |
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| r-mibu | yeah, that's my bad explanation though | 15:07 |
| gordc | i assume it was related to polling | 15:07 |
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| gordc | cool. i should mention aodh mitaka-1 release is also being tagged today | 15:08 |
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| r-mibu | ok | 15:08 |
| gordc | did we have an owner for aodhclient? i can't remember if we had volunteer from summit | 15:09 |
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| * jd__ sighs | 15:09 | |
| r-mibu | i will try after tempest | 15:09 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:09 |
| gordc | jd__: we'll track it for now. start worrying in the new year | 15:09 |
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| gordc | any other aodh related topics? | 15:10 |
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| r-mibu | no, i guess | 15:10 |
| gordc | cool | 15:10 |
| gordc | #topic Monasca publisher blueprint discussion | 15:10 |
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| gordc | rohit_: i assume this is you :) | 15:11 |
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| rohit_ | Thx gordc | 15:11 |
| gordc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249406/ | 15:11 |
| gordc | fo reference | 15:12 |
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| rohit_ | Question on the v2 api - I assume it's not deprecated now? | 15:13 |
| _nadya_ | no, it's not | 15:14 |
| gordc | v2 metering api is basically in maintenance. | 15:14 |
| fabiog | _nadya_: and the process hasn't even started yet, right? | 15:14 |
| _nadya_ | fabiog: AFAIK, no, it's not | 15:14 |
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| gordc | i don't want to say deprecated because it seems people are using it (to what success i'm unsure) | 15:15 |
| gordc | rohit_: were you looking to add somehting? | 15:15 |
| _nadya_ | rohit_: why you cannot improve the current kafka publisher? | 15:15 |
| fabiog | gordc: there are companies like CloudCruizer and Talligent that can use the API | 15:15 |
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| fabiog | gordc: they wrote code against it | 15:16 |
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| ildikov | gordc: 'in maintenance' means no new features but fixing issues if any? | 15:16 |
| gordc | fabiog: yep. "people are using it" | 15:16 |
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| gordc | so the general openstack decision on api is that they will basically never be removed. | 15:17 |
| gordc | ^i don't have a link for that | 15:17 |
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| rohit_ | Gordc: yes the api adapter for minasca api | 15:17 |
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| fabiog | _nadya_: we are publishing to the Monasca API, so sending to Kafka does not address the problem | 15:17 |
| gordc | ildikov: that's basically what i imagine. | 15:18 |
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| ildikov | gordc: ok | 15:18 |
| gordc | rohit_: does that require some sort of plugin? | 15:18 |
| _nadya_ | fabiog: so Monasca cannot read directly from its transporter? | 15:18 |
| ildikov | gordc: so the v2 API and the corresponding backends are in maintenance | 15:18 |
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| rohit_ | Gordc: yes, a storage driver plugin | 15:19 |
| gordc | ildikov: yeah. people are welcome to fix them and improve them. but clearly the community is spending less and less time on it. | 15:19 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok, cool, tnx | 15:19 |
| fabiog | _nadya_: trsnsporter? It can read from Kafka bus, but you will loose the authentication of the source and the extra data the API adds before sending to Kafka. Moreover, is bad to expose the guts of a service like that | 15:20 |
| gordc | rohit_: so it could be a plugin similar to sql/mongo | 15:20 |
| gordc | rohit_: that's good | 15:20 |
| jd__ | a dispatcher | 15:20 |
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| fabiog | _nadya_: going through the API means keeping independence on the internal format and other potential chages | 15:20 |
| gordc | rohit_: basically teh comments on the patch are that we should make it pluggable, and it should be maintained in it's own tree | 15:21 |
| jd__ | a dispatcher means RabbitMQ I don't think they want that | 15:21 |
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| fabiog | jd__: if you are going to an external source, why should you re-publsih to the rabbit? | 15:21 |
| gordc | rohit_: as i mentioned in patch, it's not ideal ot have ceilometer devs (unfamiliar with a backend) to properly review something | 15:21 |
| gordc | fabiog: that's the point he was making | 15:21 |
| gordc | fabiog: the spec is to avoid the republishing | 15:22 |
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| gordc | rohit_: were there issues with setting up testing in it's own repo? | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | fabiog: it's not always re-publish (polling does not read from rabbit) and rabbit offloads the work so if your external source is down, you can have a backlog | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | gordc: so that's why it should be a publisher no? | 15:23 |
| gordc | jd__: isn't that what the spec says? | 15:23 |
| jd__ | it is, but you talked about a dispatcher | 15:24 |
| jd__ | [16:20:30] <gordc>rohit_: so it could be a plugin similar to sql/mongo | 15:24 |
| jd__ | :p | 15:24 |
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| gordc | jd__: oh, that was because they have a translator from monasca -> v2api | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | ah ok for reading more then | 15:25 |
| gordc | right | 15:25 |
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| gordc | i actually don't mind either dispatcher or publisher | 15:25 |
| gordc | reason we had dispatcher was to avoid having the write load affecting pipeline processing | 15:26 |
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| _nadya_ | I'm ok with Monasca publisher as well | 15:26 |
| fabiog | gordc: but Monasca has a Kafka bus that acts like the Ceilo topic, that why it would be redundant to have it as a dispatcher | 15:26 |
| rohit_ | gordc: we have some basic tests running in monasca-ceilometer now | 15:27 |
| fabiog | gordc: and in this way we put less stress on the common rabbitmq | 15:27 |
| gordc | fabiog: understood. i just wanted to point out reasoning for dispatcher vs publisher | 15:27 |
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| gordc | it was mainly for http dispatcher which is synchronous and could slow your processing quite a bit | 15:27 |
| gordc | fabiog: i've been told writes to monasca are wicked fast so it's a non-issue | 15:28 |
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| gordc | rohit_: cool. | 15:28 |
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| fabiog | gordc: not sure I understand what you suggest. You want use to use the http dispatcher? | 15:29 |
| gordc | rohit_: so is the discussion whether we need it in tree still? | 15:29 |
| rohit_ | gordc: but yes, it needs more funtional type tests | 15:29 |
| gordc | fabiog: no. i'm just pointing out why there's dispatcher vs publisher. you can ignore this. | 15:29 |
| gordc | fabiog: as i said, i don't really have an opinion on you using publisher or dispatcher | 15:30 |
| gordc | rohit_: why does that require it to be in celiometer gate? | 15:30 |
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| gordc | rohit_: we need to address that gap i think | 15:31 |
| rohit_ | gordc: i was referring to including the storage driver as well | 15:31 |
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| gordc | rohit_: the idea is we want drivers to be managed appropriately (by correct people) and be tested properly | 15:31 |
| gordc | rohit_: it seems to be doable since powervm is doing it in their own gate | 15:32 |
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| gordc | you just need to pull in ceilometer repo when testing monasca publisher+storage | 15:32 |
| jd__ | it definitely is | 15:32 |
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| gordc | rohit_: it's similar to how neutron tests it drivers. | 15:33 |
| rohit_ | gordc: sure, we wanted this to be in-tree as an endorsement/acceptance | 15:34 |
| gordc | i don't think you want a bunch of people not familiar with a driver to review it. | 15:34 |
| gordc | rohit_: ah i see | 15:34 |
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| gordc | rohit_: so that's what i suggested we do same thing as powervm | 15:34 |
| rohit_ | i understand your point on the maintenance issue with drivers residing in-tree | 15:34 |
| gordc | it'll be officially under 'telemetry' team alongside ceilometer+aodh+gnocchi+powervm | 15:34 |
| gordc | it'll just be managed by people that actually understand it | 15:35 |
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| rohit_ | ok | 15:35 |
| gordc | rohit_: i think the main reason i'm pushing for this path is right now i'm reviewing a bunch of libvirt code | 15:35 |
| gordc | and full disclosure, i don't understand anything about libvirt | 15:35 |
| gordc | rohit_: if there are testing issues, definitely raise them, and we can work with infra or change ceilometer code abit to accommodate | 15:36 |
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| rohit_ | gordc: there a process to bring a repo under telemetry | 15:37 |
| gordc | this will hopefully be faster for monasca in the long run. we already had a few drivers die in review stage because we didn't have appropriate reviewers | 15:37 |
| gordc | rohit_: i think collectively we just need to sign off on it. | 15:38 |
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| rohit_ | gordc: sounds good | 15:38 |
| gordc | i'll dig up governance patch for powervm | 15:38 |
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| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245894/ | 15:39 |
| gordc | rohit_: ^ | 15:39 |
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| gordc | you just need ptl, but i've generally just polled everyone beforehand to make sure we have agreement | 15:39 |
| rohit_ | gordc: cool | 15:40 |
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| gordc | but it seems like we do? everyone cool with monasca interface project living under telemetry at some point? | 15:40 |
| fabiog | rohit_: that should be easy because monasca-ceilometer is already under the big tent, so it is just a change of root project | 15:40 |
| ildikov | gordc: +1 | 15:41 |
| gordc | fabiog: yep. i don't think it's much issue but you can ask throst from powervm team to see | 15:41 |
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| gordc | they bsaically asked me on a friday and then by the next week had it being reviewed | 15:42 |
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| gordc | rohit_: i'll work with you guys to make sure we can plug in appropriately | 15:43 |
| rohit_ | fabiog: +1 | 15:43 |
| gordc | should start soon i guess so we have time to make changes in ceilometer if needed | 15:43 |
| gordc | sound good? | 15:43 |
| rohit_ | gordc: k, sounds good | 15:43 |
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| gordc | rohit_: :) | 15:44 |
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| gordc | #topic gnocchi topics | 15:45 |
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| gordc | jd__: anything? i assume we are not doing a release | 15:45 |
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| sileht | aodh and ceilometer patch to use gnocchiclient are ready to review | 15:45 |
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| gordc | sileht: right. will start looking | 15:45 |
| sileht | (and depends on the keystoneauth1 review) | 15:45 |
| jd__ | not much | 15:45 |
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| gordc | jd__: cool cool. we'll give time to ildikov | 15:46 |
| gordc | let's move on. | 15:46 |
| gordc | #topic DocImpact flag updates (ildikov) | 15:46 |
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| ildikov | gordc: tnx, I don't need much | 15:46 |
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| ildikov | the docs team updated a bit the concept and mechanism | 15:46 |
| ildikov | so when you add the DocImpact tag it has to have an explanation too | 15:47 |
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| ildikov | and the bug will land at the project as opposed to openstack-manuals | 15:47 |
| ildikov | so we can track it better | 15:48 |
| gordc | ildikov: i've never understood why it landed at openstack-manuals | 15:48 |
| ildikov | I hope later on we can move back documentation parts too and the docs itself can live closer to the code also | 15:48 |
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| gordc | what's an example of the new tag? | 15:48 |
| ildikov | gordc: for Nova and I think 4 more project it still does | 15:48 |
| gordc | i guess they have dedicated docs people | 15:49 |
| ildikov | yeah, most probably | 15:49 |
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| jd__ | ildikov: cool | 15:50 |
| jd__ | that's going in the right direction | 15:50 |
| ildikov | examples: #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/mitaka/review-docimpact.html#examples | 15:50 |
| ildikov | jd__: I totally agree | 15:50 |
| gordc | ildikov: so docimpact <stuff that should already be in your commit message but people like me (and others) don't write proper commit messages> | 15:51 |
| pradk | this takes effect for Mitaka? so if we fix something in stable/liberty this wont apply? | 15:51 |
| ildikov | so basicly these are the changes, as much as I saw the patches are already merged | 15:51 |
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| gordc | ildikov: cool cool. i will continue to rely on you to yell 'docimpact!' :) | 15:52 |
| ildikov | gordc: you can add pointers into the description like wiki page or etherpad or explicit notes like Install guide update needed, etc. | 15:53 |
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| ildikov | gordc: lol :) | 15:54 |
| gordc | i see. | 15:54 |
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| gordc | cool. any other questions/comments relating to docs? | 15:54 |
| ildikov | pradk: I think it's regardless of the branches, but I will check | 15:55 |
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| pradk | ildikov, k thx | 15:56 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| gordc | i should mention if someone wants to be a cross project spec liaison, let me know | 15:56 |
| gordc | you just read openstacks-specs apparently. | 15:57 |
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| gordc | ^ if that interested you, that may or may not exist soon (see last crossproject meeting log) | 15:57 |
| gordc | i'll close this in a few, if no one hsa anything | 15:58 |
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| gordc | thanks folks. | 15:59 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 15:59:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-12-03-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-12-03-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2015/telemetry.2015-12-03-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| emagana | call to the audience for networking-guide meeting! | 16:00 |
| john-davidge | Hi! o/ | 16:00 |
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| emagana | #startmeeting networking-guide | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 16:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking-guide)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_guide' | 16:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 16:00 |
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| emagana | #topic team | 16:01 |
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| emagana | hi Sam-I-Am and john-davidge | 16:01 |
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| emagana | ok, our first IRC | 16:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 16:01 |
| emagana | I need to know who else was else to attend it | 16:01 |
| emagana | anyone else? | 16:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | and lots to cover since the team hasnt met in months | 16:01 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: should be easy with short audience | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, we need more people :/ | 16:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | the whole idea of irc meetings was that people didnt like hangouts | 16:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but we saw this with the install guide moving to irc too | 16:03 |
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| emagana | #action a reminder of this meeting and how important is | 16:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah that :) | 16:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i also need to add an apac meeting to the list | 16:03 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I wont be able to host that one, could yo do it? | 16:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah that was the plan | 16:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | it would be in the evening here sometime | 16:04 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I am about including people but for this one we are just three, I dont want you to be the only one in APAC | 16:04 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: send me your preference in time and date and I will add it to the calendar, ok? | 16:04 |
| lwilliams__ | hi there...sorry i'm late. | 16:04 |
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| emagana | lwilliams__: welcome! | 16:05 |
| emagana | yeah one more! | 16:05 |
| lwilliams__ | thx! | 16:05 |
| john-davidge | Perhaps a doodle poll on the ML to find the best times and gauge attendance? | 16:05 |
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| emagana | john-davidge: we did it before but minimal response | 16:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this is a good time for US/EU people | 16:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | we just dont have attendees | 16:06 |
| emagana | ok, let's move on | 16:06 |
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| emagana | #topic goals | 16:06 |
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| john-davidge | emagana: I probably missed that unfortunately. I didn’t realise at first that i needed to be subscribed the the openstack-docs ML, rather that the docs section of the openstack-dev ML | 16:07 |
| emagana | from my perspective, it is very clear. We need to move the networking-guide from WIP to Official | 16:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | is it still a wip? | 16:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i thought we published it for kilo | 16:07 |
| emagana | yeap. | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, MOST of it | 16:07 |
| emagana | #link http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/ | 16:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we did not get enough contributors to finish it | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and still dont have enough | 16:08 |
| john-davidge | emagana: Do we have a list of sections that are still WIP? | 16:08 |
| emagana | the WIP warining is still there | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | john-davidge: more or less anything that lacks content | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | or seems a bit light on content | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of it is in the 'concepts' sections | 16:08 |
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| emagana | john-davidge: I was trying to do that yesterday and documented in our wiki: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC#Proposed_topics_for_the_Networking_Guide | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we also need a place for our meeting agenda in the wiki | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | or whereever | 16:09 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I will take care of that | 16:09 |
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| john-davidge | emagana: Excellent, thanks | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: plus some advertisement to neutron | 16:09 |
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| emagana | #action emagana agenda in our wiki.. basically fix the wiki, it is messy | 16:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: and operators, ideally | 16:10 |
| navinrio | Hi | 16:10 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: sounds good! | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 16:10 |
| emagana | HI navinrio.. Thanks for joining | 16:10 |
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| navinrio | Hi Everyone I am Navin from HP | 16:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... | 16:11 |
| emagana | my proposal is: | 16:11 |
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| emagana | Let's review the current status of the guide and prepare a wiki with the section that we want to complete | 16:12 |
| navinrio | Yes please | 16:12 |
| lwilliams__ | that's a good idea | 16:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: how about an etherpad? | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | people hate wikis | 16:12 |
| john-davidge | emagana: +1 | 16:12 |
| lwilliams__ | +1 | 16:12 |
| navinrio | +1 | 16:12 |
| emagana | make potential assignments and once those sections are completed we remove the WIP finally | 16:12 |
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| emagana | and make a lot of noise about it LOL | 16:12 |
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| lwilliams__ | i think that will help | 16:13 |
| navinrio | I like etherpad | 16:13 |
| john-davidge | I’m a people and I like wikis. But an eterpad will be fine too | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 16:13 |
| lwilliams__ | lol | 16:13 |
| emagana | ok.. I like etherpads better. Actually, we had one already but not sure where the link is | 16:13 |
| john-davidge | (as long as it’s linked on the wiki) | 16:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | john-davidge: yeah, it would be linked | 16:13 |
| emagana | I got my laptop stolen and a lot of data is lost | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | its just a little more interactive, imo | 16:13 |
| navinrio | I am fine with Wiki and Etherpad | 16:13 |
| john-davidge | emagana: Oh man, that sucks :( | 16:13 |
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| navinrio | which ever team decide | 16:13 |
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| emagana | #action prepare etherpad with the section to be completed as target for Mitaka | 16:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: might be good to add a bp/spec for the larger picture of things to add | 16:14 |
| emagana | I want to start with assignments but I rather discuss that over ML once we have the etherpad | 16:14 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | something we can at least target with patches | 16:15 |
| lwilliams__ | agreed | 16:15 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I like that idea.. | 16:15 |
| navinrio | I also like the idea | 16:15 |
| emagana | #action create a docs-spec for the section to be completed in Mitaka cycle and target all patches to it | 16:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so how about we organize our ideas in the etherpad, then figure out what we're going to target for mitaka, then write a spec | 16:16 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: That is what I have in mind | 16:16 |
| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: Sounds good | 16:16 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I will have the etherpad by EOD | 16:16 |
| emagana | will send the link over ML to let everybody discuss.. we are all open ;-) | 16:17 |
| lwilliams__ | sounds good | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | also make sure neutron and ops know about it | 16:17 |
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| john-davidge | emagana: Yes, send links on the openstack-dev ML as well | 16:17 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: roger that, I will include their MLs in the email | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | and maybe join their meetings | 16:18 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I am trying to re-organize my schedule to attend all those meetings.. it is just hard.. but that is the goal.. | 16:19 |
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| emagana | should we move to the next topic, OVN in networking guide? | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | time is hard | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, so ovn... | 16:20 |
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| emagana | #topic OVN in networking guide | 16:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the idea around the original spec was this: | 16:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | "looks like ovn is the evolution of ovs, which is a ref arch, so lets document it in a way people can use BEFORE it gets released" | 16:20 |
| navinrio | Understood | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | but its not really a refarch yet, so this opened a can of worms for vendors and third-party folks to add their plugins and stuff to the networking guide | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is exactly what we dont want, because we've already had lots of problems with third-party content in the docs | 16:21 |
| emagana | The problem for me is that .. arrgghhh you just stole my opinion | 16:21 |
| emagana | LOL.. | 16:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | they dump stuff in there and leave it, then it gets stale, and the docs team cant maintain it alll | 16:22 |
| emagana | I agree with Sam-I-Am | 16:22 |
| emagana | The idea of the networking-guide was to keep it clean and easy to follow for people who wanted to use neutron | 16:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the question is can we write policy around what goes in the networking guide that includes something like OVN and not things like astara or plumgrid | 16:22 |
| emagana | it is already hard to keep it in good shape between LB and OVS to include now OVN | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | if ovn was accepted as a refarch for neutron this would be different, but its not (yet) | 16:23 |
| lwilliams__ | i think that's fair.. | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: wakey wakey | 16:23 |
| emagana | neutron should clarify if they want to support now three official plugins | 16:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: i think ovn will eventually replace conventional ovs | 16:24 |
| emagana | if that is the case, then we should include OVN. simple enough | 16:24 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: That makes things easier, we just replace OVS sections by OVN ones :) | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the other option is writing up network-guide-like docs in the networking-ovn repo, and porting them to the networking guide when ovn becomes a thing | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: yeah, when ovn works :) | 16:24 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I second that.. | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | eventually yes, i think conventional ovs will disappear | 16:25 |
| navinrio | I agree | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | because its really pointless | 16:25 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: about the porting part of course.. nothing against OVN | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | so if we think it makes sense to document ovn in networking-ovn, we should figure out what to do with the spec, because its no longer a docs spec | 16:26 |
| emagana | Well good enough to have all the potential docs in the networking-ovn repo and then help them to move it to networking-guide? | 16:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe reword the spec to say initial docs are in networking-ovn and we'll port into the networking guide when ready, but this may not be mitaka | 16:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: yeah good thing its all rst :) | 16:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm working with russellb already | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can catch up with him about it later since he's not here | 16:27 |
| emagana | so, what to do with this one: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252592/ | 16:27 |
| emagana | -2 ? | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | in the end it doesnt matter which repo the docs start out in - the end goal is having user/oper docs available when its released | 16:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: not yet | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: i have a feeling i'll remove the whole spec | 16:28 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I will include my opinion on the review to have it documented | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll probably discuss it with the docs ptl later | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 16:28 |
| emagana | ok.. anything else on OVN? | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know where we store policies for docs, but we might replace this spec with a policy for what goes into the networking guide | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats it for me on ovn | 16:29 |
| navinrio | I think we shall have comparision of ovs and ovn | 16:29 |
| egon | and lb | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, maybe | 16:29 |
| egon | and maybe a bit of why one vs another | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | ovn is ovs | 16:29 |
| emagana | hi egon I did not know you were around | 16:30 |
| egon | i am always around ;-) | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | so right now we could do a comparison between lb and ovs | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | ovn is simply making ovs more realistic | 16:30 |
| egon | true | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | question is how to make an objective comparison | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're all opinionated | 16:30 |
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| navinrio | understood | 16:31 |
| egon | well, you could hash out the most edge views | 16:31 |
| egon | so you get to the real meat of the differences | 16:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's definitely some feature support differences - linuxbridge doesnt do gre or dvr, for example | 16:31 |
| navinrio | as old school people will search for ovs | 16:31 |
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| navinrio | and some people ovn | 16:31 |
| emagana | let's do not make this a OVN - OVS - LB discussion :-) | 16:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | we see a lot of nova-net people adopting linuxbridge because nova-net uses it | 16:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | but yeah :) | 16:32 |
| emagana | let's move on.. to scenarios restructure | 16:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | most people didnt know linuxbridge existed until we wrote the networking guide | 16:32 |
| emagana | sounds good? | 16:32 |
| navinrio | Ok | 16:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 16:32 |
| navinrio | I agree | 16:32 |
| emagana | #topic restructuring legacy scenarios | 16:32 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: Please, explain the idea here | 16:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: ok | 16:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | the idea of neutron was to push people toward "true" cloud networking | 16:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is self-service private networks, a router, and floating IPs | 16:33 |
| navinrio | yes | 16:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but we've figured out that neutron L3 doesn't perform/scale well and a lot of people avoid it by using provider nets (l2 only) | 16:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now, if you want to deploy the legacy scenarios, you must use L3/routing and private networks | 16:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you can't attach a vm directly to a provider network | 16:34 |
| egon | ? | 16:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | egon: the ext/public network is not mapped to the compute nodes | 16:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | its only attached to the network nodes | 16:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so if you try booting a vm on it, neutron blows up with a vif error because the network isnt there | 16:35 |
| egon | if you're using l3 routing, you mean? | 16:35 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: does it too soon for that functionality in neutron? | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, you have to use l3 routing | 16:36 |
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| emagana | I dont like to make things more complicated... they are already complicated | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | because there's a conventional network node, and the only attach point for the ext/public net is there | 16:36 |
| egon | let's clarify this after this meeting. We're attaching VMs directly to provider networks. | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: its not too bad. you just add the ext-net to your compute nodes | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | point is - i think we need to allow people to do both | 16:37 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: understood | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | they can attach vms directly to provider networks when needed, but can also create private networks and routers | 16:37 |
| emagana | I haven't tried it myself.. shame on me | 16:37 |
| egon | Sam-I-Am: I agree people should be able to do both, but we do... already | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | it works fine. the install guide does it now by default. | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | egon: who is 'we' | 16:37 |
| egon | walmart | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | the thought behind this is that a lot of people come from nova-net, and like the simple provider networks option because they hear bad things about neutron L3 | 16:38 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: well, makes clear that we could do the refactoring | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | and dvr is too complicated | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | so they would have the ability to use provider networks directly, but also try private/router stuff and hopefully transition some things to it | 16:38 |
| emagana | but I dont want to be very aggressive on the goals for the networking guide in mitaka | 16:39 |
| egon | yeah, let's talk after the meeting. We're doing both now. | 16:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure, its not too big of a change | 16:40 |
| egon | mostly the provider network directly, though | 16:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | my question was a) do we need to do this and b) should we augment the existing legacy scenarios or create new scenarios | 16:40 |
| navinrio | I think in Japan Provider network deployment is more popular | 16:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | also i think we need to ditch the 'legacy' wording | 16:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | when we did that we were under the impression people would use dvr and l3ha, but neither of them have taken off due to bugs | 16:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i'd change legacy to conventional or something | 16:41 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I would like to create new ones | 16:41 |
| navinrio | so I think pros and cons of provider network , private network , dvr if time permits can be included | 16:41 |
| emagana | new scenarios | 16:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | then the question is do we have too many scenarios - overload | 16:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | navinrio: the pros and cons would initially be linuxbridge vs. ovs... then maybe we can get into provider networks vs. private networks and DVR/L3HA | 16:42 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I have not strong opinion on that | 16:43 |
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| navinrio | Copy that | 16:43 |
| egon | +1 | 16:43 |
| lwilliams__ | might be more a question of "cost" to maintain... if that cost is low and intent of scenarios is clear, probably not a big concern on # | 16:44 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: maybe consulting with the MLs? | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | so we probably need a spec for somehow adding provider nets to the existing scenarios... we'll put it in the etherpad first | 16:44 |
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| lwilliams__ | yeah, ML discussion sounds good | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | which ml? the people who use/write this stuff are not on the docs list. | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | it would probably be ops if we're polling people | 16:45 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: docs and ops | 16:45 |
| lwilliams__ | true | 16:45 |
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| navinrio | agree with Sam-I-am opinion | 16:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i suggest we just do ops and maybe neutron | 16:46 |
| lwilliams__ | agree | 16:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i can take the ML thing | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll post it to ops and neutron, see what sticks | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | if there's agreement, we can add it to the mitaka spec of things to do | 16:47 |
| sc68cal | isn't x-posting discouraged? | 16:47 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: great! | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: do them sequentially? not sure how else to handle it | 16:48 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: I think probably post the actual topic to one ML, and redirect the other audience to it | 16:48 |
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| emagana | are we good on this topic? | 16:49 |
| navinrio | Yes | 16:49 |
| emagana | we have one thing leaast! | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: makes sense | 16:49 |
| navinrio | I am fine | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: give me an action | 16:49 |
| lwilliams__ | out of curiosity... do we have usage #s on the existing scenarios via google analytics? | 16:49 |
| emagana | my bad | 16:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lwilliams__: no, thats apparently fixed now (or soon) | 16:50 |
| lwilliams__ | ok, cool | 16:50 |
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| emagana | #action Sam-I-Am will document the changes on the etherpad and write a spec after the discussion there and ML | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | lwilliams__: ask annegentle for more info | 16:50 |
| lwilliams__ | thx | 16:50 |
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| emagana | #topic versioning of the networking guide | 16:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this is a big deal | 16:51 |
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| emagana | sc68cal: yor wrote the spec, right? | 16:52 |
| emagana | you* | 16:52 |
| emagana | we have just eight minutes left.. | 16:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | problem - neutron changes a lot from release to release, often in ways not backward compatible with previous versions | 16:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | we have a lot of people who install older versions for 'stability' reasons | 16:53 |
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| annegentle | lwilliams__: still validating the fix works :) | 16:53 |
| navinrio | I agree | 16:53 |
| annegentle | lwilliams__: but sadly we have no data | 16:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | pretty much anything that involves specific config (like the install and network guide) need versioning | 16:53 |
| lwilliams__ | thx for the update, anne:) cool! | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | we found out that trying to use "in X version, do Y" is too hard to maintain | 16:54 |
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| sc68cal | emagana: no I don't believe i did | 16:54 |
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| emagana | sc68cal: my bad.. | 16:54 |
| john-davidge | emagana: Is the debate wheher or not we should verion? Or how exactly to do it? | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | john-davidge: whether or not we should version it | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | how to do it is not a problem | 16:54 |
| emagana | john-davidge: yes, the first part | 16:54 |
| navinrio | I think we should version | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | a version gets cut with each release | 16:54 |
| john-davidge | I’m of the opinion that we should version | 16:55 |
| john-davidge | otherwise the guides will become very messy | 16:55 |
| navinrio | + | 16:55 |
| sc68cal | I think we probably have to, just based on how much changes as we go forward | 16:55 |
| navinrio | +1 | 16:55 |
| emagana | based on how much things change, we should tag after Mitaka | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | well here's the problem | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now the guide is for kilo, so tagging it for liberty wouldnt work | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | we could update it for liberty and tag but then we lose the kilo stuff | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | so if we can tag for kilo now that'd be great, then update master for liberty, then cut that | 16:56 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: targetting Kilo makes more sense | 16:57 |
| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: There may already be some content that is liberty-specific | 16:57 |
| sc68cal | We could tag it based on the commit date | 16:57 |
| sc68cal | find a SHA of the networking guide from the kilo timeframe, tag that as kilo | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: yeah that makes sense | 16:57 |
| john-davidge | sc68cal: that sounds goof | 16:58 |
| john-davidge | *good | 16:58 |
| sc68cal | :) | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: sounds like you just volunteered :) | 16:58 |
| john-davidge | :D | 16:58 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: done - i'll do it now | 16:58 |
| emagana | sc68cal: I am ready to add the action :-) | 16:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so tag kilo -> do liberty updates -> tag liberty -> then do mitaka updates in master | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | this changes the strategy we've been using a little too: | 16:58 |
| emagana | #action sc68cal will tag networking guide | 16:58 |
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| sc68cal | kilo was ..... last fall | 16:59 |
| sc68cal | right? | 16:59 |
| emagana | ok, one minute left... wow.. long meeting | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | with CD, we usually waited until the end of the current release cycle to update the guide for that release cycle | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: spring | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | 2015.1 | 16:59 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am: thanks | 16:59 |
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| john-davidge | Does this mean w should plan to remove kilo and liberty specific sections for Mitaka? | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | now we'll have to update the guide prior to release when we tag the release | 16:59 |
| emagana | john-davidge: I would like to identify those sections first | 16:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: we should move the meeting to #openstack-doc | 17:00 |
| emagana | we are over time | 17:00 |
| emagana | let's move the conversation.. | 17:00 |
| emagana | #end-meeting | 17:00 |
| john-davidge | byeeee | 17:00 |
| navinrio | ok | 17:00 |
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| lwilliams__ | bye | 17:00 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| navinrio | bye | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 17:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_guide.2015-12-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_guide.2015-12-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_guide.2015-12-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 17:01:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:02 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 17:02 |
| ylobankov | hi | 17:02 |
| jswarren | hello | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_December_3rd_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf_, dtroyer, sdague, mkoderer, afazekas, jordanP: around? | 17:04 |
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| sdague | yeh, sort of. If any of my stuff can be front loaded that would be great | 17:04 |
| _dpaterson | o/ | 17:04 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | lets get started | 17:05 |
| jordanP | yep | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | we've got a few open spec reviews | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | it'd be good to get eyes on them | 17:05 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | I know SpamapS has been bugging me about his counters one lately :) | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have a specific spec they'd like to discuss? | 17:06 |
| andreaf | I had one questions regarding the resource spec | 17:06 |
| dwalleck | mtreinish: I talked with lifeless about the run one before I left on vacation and he refreshed me about what we discussed in Tokyo. That spec should be up in the next few days | 17:06 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/6/specs/tempest/tempest-resources.rst,cm | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | dwalleck: ok, cool | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | andreaf_: sure | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: the spec introduces the concept of filters that can be applied to test/test-classes to express dependency on test resources | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | the question is what the behaviour should be in case such resources are not available, skip or fail? | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | hmm, maybe doing a 3 condition kinda thing: hard-requires(fail if missing), soft requires(skip if missing), and preferred | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | for instance if no image is configured - currently we fail if image_ref is not set and a test that requires it is executed | 17:09 |
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| _dpaterson | +1 on three condition | 17:09 |
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| jordanP | -1 too much complexity | 17:10 |
| jordanP | :) | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | haha | 17:10 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok, that sounds like a good idea, but we need to provide some guidance about how to use that | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, we should document it very clearly | 17:10 |
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| jordanP | we should just fail, be vocal about it | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | that's something we need to work on in general is having a better guide for test writing. There is a lot of complexity already in the internal machinery in tempest | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | but that's a seperate topic | 17:11 |
| jordanP | exactly ! | 17:11 |
| jordanP | landing this auth credentials work is an example | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: so your just saying requires (fail) and prefered | 17:11 |
| jordanP | it was not an easy road | 17:11 |
| jordanP | yes | 17:11 |
| jordanP | and jlanoux also had a hard time with his ssh validation work | 17:12 |
| andreaf | in a sense skipping by missing resources is kind of implicit - so perhaps we should just fail and not try to be nice - if someone doesn't want to run a test she/he should skip it otherwise? | 17:12 |
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| jordanP | and think this was our policy as of now 'fail hard in case of misconfiguration' | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | I think that makes sense | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: yeah it is | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | it's part of being explicit | 17:13 |
| andreaf | for instance @prefered(small-image) means that if a small-image is not found it will go with any image, and if none is found it will fail | 17:13 |
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| jordanP | that is going to require "a lot" of logic | 17:14 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: not sure that's going to be that complex, but I would start implementing requires as a first step | 17:15 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, jordanP: in any case I think it's settled for failure rather than skip then? | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | yeah I think so | 17:15 |
| jordanP | I think that's the easiest way and a good start too | 17:15 |
| andreaf | ok. Thanks | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on specs? | 17:16 |
| dwalleck | I had one other question about the resources spec. It introduces the tools section to handle the issue of different commands being necessary for different distros, but how is the problem of handling parsing of the different commands? The remote client still expects the output of the command to be in the format of the original one | 17:16 |
| andreaf | dwalleck: heh, thanks I was going to bring that on as well | 17:16 |
| dwalleck | It's a hot button issue in DefCore right now | 17:16 |
| jordanP | where "ip" is in /sbin or /usr/sbin , the output shouldn't change right ? | 17:16 |
| jordanP | *whether | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | dwalleck: I think that's a separate discussion, and honestly the defcore concerns are secondary to the work in the spec | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: it's more if what if you wanted to use a freebsd or solaris image | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | the output and the path would be different | 17:17 |
| andreaf | dwalleck: so the alternative would be to define what we want to obtain rather than the specific tool, so if you want to get an IP use this helper | 17:17 |
| dwalleck | mtreinish: That's fair. Being able to use different images is really my concern | 17:17 |
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| jordanP | I see, now I remember this recent thread on the ML... | 17:18 |
| andreaf | dwalleck: but then you need to maintain such helpers | 17:18 |
| andreaf | guest image specific ways to extract certain data from your OS | 17:18 |
| andreaf | and tempest is not the right place for that | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | dwalleck: realistically we're talking about a very small subset of tests too | 17:18 |
| dwalleck | andreaf: Right. I have a few ideas on how this could be implemented cleanly | 17:18 |
| andreaf | so you need a plugin mechanism for that or so | 17:18 |
| dwalleck | andreaf: That's exactly what I was thinking | 17:19 |
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| andreaf | dwalleck: that sounds like a separate spec though | 17:19 |
| andreaf | I think having the path to the tool can be a first approximation | 17:19 |
| dwalleck | mtreinish: I know they're a small set now, but they're extremely important for me and I see there being a lot more | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | But that's outside the scope of this conversation. Thanks for humoring me :-) | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets move then | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Priority Items | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | so today being M-1 (well more or less) | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | I think we should go over the open M1 items on the etherpad just to see where they stand | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | I see 3 on the etherpad | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | the first is: Drop extras.d from devstack | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ^^^ any update on that? | 17:22 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yep, just updating etherpad - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252944/ | 17:22 |
| sdague | I posted the review for that this morning | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252944/ | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok, cool | 17:22 |
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| sdague | I feel like I did enough warning we should be good to go on it | 17:22 |
| sdague | though I think I got hit by gerrit restart and lost having tests run on it | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | heh | 17:23 |
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| sdague | anyway, rechecked now, we should merge it tomorrow | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I agree, you've been warning about that and posting to the ml for long enough | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok cool | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | the next on the list is: Tempest Microversion support | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | which is owned by gmann and oomichi | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | but since they're in JST and probably asleep | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | they've got reviews up for starting most of that here: | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support,n,z | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | prioritizing review on those would be great | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | I don't think the branch is quite enough to close the bp as the spec is written, but it's mostly there | 17:25 |
| sdague | yeh, there was a sticking point about how to put the config in from devstack | 17:26 |
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| sdague | because we should really bypass devstack for this I think | 17:26 |
| sdague | and go from d-g => tempest | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I think that's probably fine. It's not like devstack knows about the microversions being deployed | 17:27 |
| sdague | although... | 17:27 |
| sdague | now that I think about it, devstack kind of does know | 17:27 |
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| sdague | because it pulled master | 17:27 |
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| sdague | I have to rethink this one, I'll propose something | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok :) | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | anything else to discuss on microversion testing? | 17:28 |
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| andreaf | sdague, mtreinish: still there is a difference between the available microversions and what we want to test in the gate, so we probably need to drive at least some of it via d-g anyways | 17:29 |
| sdague | andreaf: yes, for sure | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | ok, the last thing open thing on the list for M1 is: OpenStack Health group-by / filter-by metadata key | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | which andreaf is listed as owning | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: any update on that? | 17:30 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: for group-by there is a patch up, let me dig the link out | 17:31 |
| andreaf | but filter-by is not started yet | 17:31 |
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| andreaf | and unfortunately some of the folks helping on this are not around anymore | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: refresh my memory what does the filter-by entail? | 17:32 |
| andreaf | so it may slow down | 17:32 |
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| andreaf | filtering the graphs on the page by a value on a metadata key | 17:32 |
| andreaf | e.g. show all the runs where build_pipeline = periodic | 17:33 |
| andreaf | or something like that | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | oh, don't we already have that? | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | there is the search bar which dynamically filters | 17:33 |
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| andreaf | I though we could search by name only? | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | oh, this is a secondary key value pair, I get it now | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: group-by #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240453/ | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | ok, cool thanks | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | before we move on, does anyone want to discuss another priority item? (one that's not necessarily M1 targetted) | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | #topic Eslint-config-openstack review approval policy (krotscheck) | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | krotscheck: around? this is your topic | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I guess he's not around | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | let's move on | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | #topic Tempest | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss on tempest this week? | 17:39 |
| _dpaterson | mtreinish: config script | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | dwalleck: what about it? :) | 17:40 |
| _dpaterson | Daniel from posted something on it on the ML | 17:40 |
| dwalleck | huh? | 17:40 |
| _dpaterson | He meant dpaterson :) | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | oh, yeah I've been meaning to chime in on that thread | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | dwalleck: sry, tab complete fail | 17:40 |
| _dpaterson | I guess I still understand the friction on getting it upstream | 17:41 |
| _dpaterson | don't understand rather | 17:41 |
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| _dpaterson | blueprint is here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-config-generator | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | _dpaterson: that spec has been abandonded: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94473/ | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | which was the issue originally, is there was discussion about the scope of the tool and where we should cut off what it does and what it doesnt | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | and then interest just died down and nothing happened | 17:42 |
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| _dpaterson | Okay, so I'd like to assist Daniel with re-addressing it, do we need to create a new spec? | 17:43 |
| andreaf | _dpaterson, mtreinish: I think the tool as it is does not fit in tempest, as some parts of it are already in | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | dwalleck: yeah I think starting a fresh spec is the right place to start | 17:43 |
| jordanP | what part of it ? | 17:43 |
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| _dpaterson | andreaf: where? | 17:44 |
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| andreaf | for instance the discovery part: that's already in the verify-config-tool | 17:44 |
| andreaf | and that's shouldn't be used for anything else than verification | 17:44 |
| andreaf | the resource provisioning part is something that is not in yet, but that we plan to implement as part of the resource bp | 17:45 |
| jordanP | the point of the tool is to help generate tempest.conf, some sort of discovery is required | 17:45 |
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| _dpaterson | andreaf: creating the config and verifying it are two different things, where there is overlap refactoring to common code for discovery would be done | 17:45 |
| jordanP | +1 | 17:46 |
| andreaf | passing fragments of configs in is something as trivial as append them to the bottom of the file but still is something we could add to a tempest run | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | jordanP, _dpaterson: the verify tool, can make a new config fwiw. You just need to give it the bare min to do the discovery | 17:46 |
| andreaf | jordanP, _dpaterson: sure I understand that, but you don't want to use discovery to generate a test config file | 17:46 |
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| jordanP | andreaf, I don't understand why not | 17:47 |
| _dpaterson | andreaf: maybe we should take a step back. | 17:47 |
| _dpaterson | A configuration generation tool would be useful | 17:47 |
| andreaf | because if you generate your configuration by discovery you may miss things | 17:47 |
| _dpaterson | Implementing it can be done a bunch of different ways, lets get a new spec going and move the discusion there. | 17:48 |
| andreaf | let's say that a feature is disabled by mistake - you will stop testing it and never know about it | 17:48 |
| _dpaterson | andreaf: the tool does not dismiss the user from vefifying his environment is correct. It is a jump start. | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | in the interest of time, I think we should take this up in the -qa channel post meeting | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | because we're at ~10mins left | 17:49 |
| jordanP | and it does not prevent running verify-tempest afteward | 17:49 |
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| _dpaterson | I'll work with Daniel on new spec and take discussion to #qa | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | _dpaterson: ok, thanks | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | let's move on | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | Does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | one I wanted to raise up was: | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/216303 | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | I'm not really sure how to weigh in on it. I don't have a lot of experience with that kinda of testing | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | it also raises a question about having frameworks from outside tempest being added to tempest-lib | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | but that's something I've generally been a fan of :) | 17:53 |
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| jordanP | I am not sure why tempest-lib should host an HTTP fuzzer | 17:54 |
| jordanP | :) | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | heh, fair enough | 17:54 |
| jordanP | I am sorry I tend to first say no and then maybe | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | the review was just sitting there, so I just wanted people to take a look and talk about it | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | it's not my patch, so I'm not really invested in it :) | 17:55 |
| jordanP | and also this looks like a preliminary work and we don"t see the practical use yet with this patch | 17:55 |
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| jordanP | hum I missed the dependent patch | 17:56 |
| jordanP | I'll have to review it more carefully | 17:56 |
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| jordanP | but it really looks like an HTTP fuzzer and there's ton of this already available | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: ok, that's good feedback to have on the review | 17:58 |
| jordanP | yep I'll leave a comment | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews this week? | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | ok, well I guess lets end here then | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 17:59:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-12-03-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-12-03-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-12-03-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| jordanP | thanks ! | 18:00 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting ping... | 20:57 |
| mikal | mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov bauzas xyang tpatil med_ nic scottda nagyz belliott dguitarbite sdague jroll diana_clarke _diana_ raildo jichen gjayavelu mdorman klindg | 20:57 |
| tonyb | o/ | 20:57 |
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| jichen | o/ | 20:57 |
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| scottda | hi | 20:57 |
| gjayavelu | o/ | 20:57 |
| macsz | o/ | 20:57 |
| mikal | Just waiting a minute or two so we're not starting early | 20:58 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:58 |
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| dansmith | mikal: johnthetubaguy asked alaski and sdague to run this meeting | 20:58 |
| mikal | Yay! | 20:58 |
| dansmith | guess that memo got lost again? | 20:58 |
| mikal | I am off the hook! | 20:58 |
| dims_ | o/ | 20:59 |
| mikal | Yeah, hasn't told me | 20:59 |
| alaski | mikal: go for it | 20:59 |
| mikal | But that's ok | 20:59 |
| mikal | Nope, its you | 20:59 |
| mikal | :P | 20:59 |
| * bauzas waves | 20:59 | |
| egon | hello | 20:59 |
| alaski | dansmith: I thought you had signed up first, if you were around which you seem to be :) | 20:59 |
| auggy | o/ | 20:59 |
| dansmith | alaski: nice try dude | 20:59 |
| dansmith | alaski: I punted to sdague and he punted to you.. deal with it :) | 21:00 |
| alaski | :) | 21:00 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 21:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:00 |
| * Vek waves | 21:00 | |
| alaski | #chair sdague | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: alaski sdague | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
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| alaski | for when he shows up | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| auggy | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| alaski | #topic Release Status | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| alaski | This is mostly just a list of things on the wiki, but I'll share here | 21:01 |
| alaski | Virtual doc sprint December 8th and 9th | 21:01 |
| alaski | unfortunately there are no further details included on that | 21:01 |
| alaski | like who to coordinate with, but hopefully there will be a ML post on it | 21:01 |
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| jichen | some info here:https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 21:02 |
| alaski | ahh, great | 21:02 |
| alaski | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 21:02 |
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| alaski | * Mitaka-1 is now tagged | 21:02 |
| ctrath | o/ | 21:02 |
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| rlrossit | o/ | 21:03 |
| lpabon | o/ | 21:03 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 21:03 |
| alaski | let's work towards M-2 now | 21:03 |
| dansmith | time flies | 21:03 |
| alaski | also according to John that's the 100th tag for Nova | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | orly | 21:04 |
| * tonyb checks that ..... | 21:04 | |
| alaski | that's what the twitters tell me | 21:04 |
| Vek | dangerous to say things like that in a channel full of geeks :) | 21:04 |
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| tonyb | balder:nova tony8129$ git tag -l | wc -l 100 | 21:04 |
| tonyb | 100 | 21:05 |
| alaski | \o/ | 21:05 |
| tonyb | so there you go | 21:05 |
| melwitt | nice | 21:05 |
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| alaski | nice work everyone | 21:05 |
| alaski | * python-novaclient 3.0 hopefully next week | 21:05 |
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| bauzas | I'd like to see the reno changes merged before | 21:06 |
| alaski | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081290.html | 21:06 |
| dansmith | bauzas: reno for client you mean? | 21:06 |
| alaski | some big changes in there to be aware of | 21:06 |
| bauzas | dansmith: yeah but the CI one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248898/ | 21:07 |
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| bauzas | btw. change* (without 's') | 21:07 |
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| alaski | bauzas: you may want to ping mriedem on that to be sure | 21:07 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah we'll sync | 21:07 |
| bauzas | reno is in-tre | 21:08 |
| alaski | great | 21:08 |
| bauzas | tree even | 21:08 |
| bauzas | but we don't have the voting job yet | 21:08 |
| alaski | okay | 21:08 |
| alaski | it would be great to get that, but I'm not sure it should hold up the release | 21:08 |
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| bauzas | fair enough, let's sync with mriedem | 21:09 |
| alaski | but that's with mriedem | 21:09 |
| alaski | so today is spec and bp freeze | 21:09 |
| alaski | according to the meeting wiki there will be news on the exception process on the ML tomorrow | 21:09 |
| alaski | so look forward to that | 21:09 |
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| alaski | though as always we want exceptions to be just that, exceptions. so hopefully not much will apply | 21:10 |
| tonyb | does freeze mean no new submissions or no new approvals? | 21:10 |
| alaski | no new approvals | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | right | 21:10 |
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| tonyb | that | 21:10 |
| dansmith | I lowered my typo tolerance for the day and approved several | 21:11 |
| tonyb | s what I thought but I'm easily confused | 21:11 |
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| Vek | heh | 21:11 |
| alaski | dansmith: they can always be fixed with followups :) | 21:11 |
| dansmith | but this twitch in my eye can't | 21:12 |
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| alaski | there are specless bps to review, but that can be done on the following etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:12 |
| alaski | There's a call for backwards incompatible changes for novaclient 3.0 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079915.html | 21:13 |
| alaski | and python2.6 support is being dropped | 21:13 |
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| alaski | so speak up if there's something you want included there | 21:14 |
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| alaski | #topic Regular reminders | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Regular reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
| alaski | New review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:14 |
| alaski | priority reviews should be listed there | 21:14 |
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| alaski | #topic Bugs | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
| alaski | There's nothing on the agenda here so I'm going to assume we're pretty good here | 21:15 |
| alaski | unless someone knows of something | 21:15 |
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| alaski | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:16 |
| bauzas | I heard about a CI issue for multinode, right? | 21:16 |
| Vek | I think there's supposed to be a statement of the status of bugs, but beyond that...*shrug* | 21:16 |
| alaski | there do seem to be some Nova bugs in the top there | 21:16 |
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| bauzas | yeah that one I was referring to is http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1521823 | 21:17 |
| alaski | okay, eyes on those bugs would be appreciated | 21:17 |
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| alaski | for stable branches there's a note that https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty+topic:fix_status_reporting,n,z should trigger a point release | 21:18 |
| alaski | after some reno adds for it | 21:18 |
| alaski | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:18 |
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| alaski | mriedem listed one but isn't around to speak to it | 21:19 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235983/ | 21:19 |
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| alaski | there are some concerns about testing on the spec | 21:19 |
| alaski | for booting from uefi | 21:19 |
| * Vek remembers a novaclient review currently needing discussion about the direction to go... | 21:19 | |
| melwitt | there's a thread on the ML about it too | 21:19 |
| alaski | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081263.html | 21:19 |
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| alaski | melwitt: that one I think | 21:19 |
| melwitt | yes | 21:20 |
| melwitt | Vek: the requests lib exception exposure thing? | 21:20 |
| Vek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240023/ | 21:21 |
| Vek | melwitt: exactly the one I was thinking of. | 21:21 |
| Vek | I've been meaning to direct him to the email list, but have been forgetting to. | 21:21 |
| alaski | without mriedem around to discuss it I'll ask that reviewers take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235983/ and chime in | 21:21 |
| tonyb | alaski: the ML message is a good read | 21:22 |
| Vek | anyone have any opinions on the lib exception exposure review? | 21:22 |
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| alaski | Vek: I'm against it, but that review seems more stuck between submitter and reviewer than between reviewers | 21:23 |
| Vek | (if we're going to do that, 3.0.0 would be the perfect time to do it...) | 21:23 |
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| alaski | tonyb: okay. I need to read that fully as I don't feel qualified to offer an opinion yet | 21:24 |
| Vek | alaski: yeah, but I want to get more commentors to convince the submitter that we're all on the same page against him, I guess :) | 21:24 |
| melwitt | Vek: while I get the point of it, I don't see it adding a lot of value | 21:24 |
| * Vek nods | 21:25 | |
| alaski | Vek: perhaps direct him to the ML as you stated, and point out the v3.0 thread | 21:25 |
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| alaski | and anyone else with opinions please contribute to those two threads/reviews | 21:26 |
| alaski | #topic Open discussion | 21:26 |
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| melwitt | I feel like we're in a corner about it, because the requests exceptions have been exposed so long, some people are relying on that, and it's hard to change it now | 21:26 |
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| macsz | wanted to ask jaypiepes for status : http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/resource-objects.html | 21:27 |
| macsz | but since he is not around | 21:27 |
| alaski | melwitt: yeah. and there still hasn't been a great case made for a change | 21:27 |
| macsz | anyone knows? this one is pretty old, wanted to contribute to this, but cant get idea what was really done in this matter | 21:28 |
| Vek | melwitt: agreed, which is why I commented that a 3.0.0 release would be the time to do it. | 21:28 |
| tonyb | macsz: IIUC it's now waiting on the PCI cleanups | 21:28 |
| Vek | macsz: I saw a bunch of reviews posted by him today that are related to that spec. | 21:28 |
| alaski | macsz: I believe he's working on splitting it up a bit | 21:28 |
| Vek | (all WIP, mind...) | 21:28 |
| macsz | oh, thanks for intel | 21:29 |
| tonyb | macsz: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/pci-stats-generate.html | 21:29 |
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| tonyb | macsz: I could be wrong. | 21:29 |
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| alaski | macsz: oh, I was thinking of the other spec | 21:30 |
| alaski | tonyb: I believe you're correct on that | 21:30 |
| alaski | he was also toying around with how it'll work with cells | 21:30 |
| bauzas | yeah the PCI stuff is a bit blocking us | 21:31 |
| alaski | macsz: you may be able to catch him on irc at some point to get an update | 21:31 |
| bauzas | because we have many problems with that | 21:31 |
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| alaski | and that spec was approved if I recall | 21:31 |
| macsz | alaski: i am counting on taht, but no luck so far :) | 21:31 |
| tonyb | bauzas: well the spec merged overnight so that's a good thing | 21:31 |
| bauzas | but that's really difficult to jump in for that unless you have some experience IMHO | 21:31 |
| alaski | macsz: he's travelling right now I think | 21:32 |
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| bauzas | because the PCI tracking thing is probably one of the best stories in Nova | 21:32 |
| * Vek hrms...may have thought of the wrong spec | 21:33 | |
| bauzas | tonyb: honestly, I missed that one and I'm glad to see it approved | 21:33 |
| alaski | So there's a ML thread about adding cross project liasons: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080869.html if anyone has interest in that please sign up and let johnthetubaguy know | 21:33 |
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| alaski | anything else for open discussion? | 21:34 |
| alaski | I don't think I beat mriedems time but we can end early | 21:35 |
| * Vek celebrates | 21:35 | |
| dansmith | 35 minutes is not impressive, no | 21:35 |
| * Vek once had a class that was -5 minutes long... :) | 21:35 | |
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| bauzas | so I had a point | 21:36 |
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| alaski | next time I'll just copy/paste from the wiki so no typing needed | 21:36 |
| bauzas | but we can hold that one | 21:36 |
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| alaski | bauzas: well now's the time if you want to bring it up | 21:36 |
| bauzas | so, the concern is have was raised in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245891/12/nova/tests/unit/conf_fixture.py,cm | 21:37 |
| bauzas | basically, we agreed to use a per-service module for the opts | 21:37 |
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| bauzas | so it means that the import_opt() are no longer needed | 21:37 |
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| bauzas | but it means that for a code readibility, we loose when the option is used | 21:38 |
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| * Vek is not necessarily convinced that that is true... | 21:38 | |
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| sdague | bauzas: you know later in the code when it's used | 21:38 |
| tonyb | bauzas: Oh I though you'd still need to import the opts you were using to be specific | 21:38 |
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| bauzas | sdague: that's fair to say that | 21:39 |
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| sdague | this is all trade offs, and we chose this trade off to try to get a handle on the 800+ config options by making seeing them all in one place possible | 21:40 |
| edleafe | tonyb: no, now you'll just import nova.conf | 21:40 |
| sdague | versus them being hidden in so many places we don't know where the bodies are | 21:40 |
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| bauzas | sdague: yeah that I know and I agree | 21:40 |
| bauzas | sdague: my concern was just whether we should leave some explicit calls for importing the options we want (not registering them) | 21:41 |
| sdague | meh, I think it's pretty arbitrary | 21:41 |
| edleafe | bauzas: in what sense is this "importing"? Sounds more like declaring | 21:42 |
| tonyb | edleafe: okay I thought there was more magic to it :) | 21:42 |
| melwitt | don't you just get all the opts all the time now? | 21:42 |
| bauzas | okay, I don't want to overthink on it | 21:42 |
| alaski | bauzas: maybe make a case for the explicitness on the code review | 21:42 |
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| sdague | because if someone wants to add another option to that fixture are we going to make them add these noop lines? | 21:42 |
| bauzas | melwitt: yeah by getting the global CONF object, you'll access all the opts now | 21:42 |
| sdague | if you want explicitness put a class level comment block of "this uses the following conf options" | 21:42 |
| bauzas | okay, fair enough | 21:43 |
| edleafe | the previous imports were necessary because the global CONF may not have imported them | 21:43 |
| sdague | noop import statements are just black magic that people will copy and paste and not know why | 21:43 |
| melwitt | another way is to set self.flags(...) in tests where it's important. I do that even when they're already in scope if I think being explicit matters | 21:43 |
| edleafe | now they are all imported up front | 21:43 |
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| sdague | melwitt: yeh, our conf usage in tests is layers of gorp :) | 21:43 |
| alaski | sounds like everyone's on the same page now | 21:43 |
| bauzas | yup | 21:44 |
| alaski | then if nothing else we can all congregate in #openstack-nova | 21:44 |
| alaski | thanks all | 21:44 |
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| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 21:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 21:44:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-12-03-21.00.html | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-12-03-21.00.txt | 21:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-12-03-21.00.log.html | 21:44 |
| macsz | thanks ! :) | 21:44 |
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