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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan_ | hi | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:02 |
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| zhiyuan_ | the init patch for stateless model still needs some works, but I can submit the patch tomorrow | 13:03 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | let‘s start the meeting | 13:04 |
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| zhiyuan_ | ok | 13:04 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 13:04:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:05 |
| zhiyuan_ | #info zhiyuan | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | #topic development | 13:06 |
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| zhipeng | hi | 13:06 |
| joehuang | a new stateless design proposal is updated at | 13:06 |
| zhipeng | sorry i'm late | 13:06 |
| joehuang | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/18kZZ1snMOCD9IQvUKI5NVDzSASpw-QKj7l2zNqMEd3g/edit# | 13:07 |
| joehuang | you are welcome | 13:07 |
| joehuang | zhiyuan, how about your patch | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | what's included and what's not include | 13:08 |
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| zhipeng | joehuang joe how many patches are we working on right now ? | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan_ | api and db modules are kept, and I removed dispatcher and proxy | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | the test for api and db should be remained there | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | and the patch will be submitted to the experimental branch for the stateless poc | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | currently zhiyuan's patch is being worked, and I'll start a new patch after zhiyuan's patch is ready | 13:11 |
| zhiyuan_ | yes, and I also added tox.ini for test environment setup, and a tool to automatically generate configuration | 13:11 |
| joehuang | #info the stateless PoC will be submitted to the experimental branch | 13:12 |
| joehuang | please include the test cases too | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan_ | oslo.config provides a tool to generate configuration sample from the project's source code | 13:12 |
| joehuang | great | 13:13 |
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| zhiyuan_ | of course the original test cases will be kept | 13:13 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan_ could you provide a simple "How to" on the google doc on how to contribute to the stateless branch ? | 13:13 |
| joehuang | and for the doc, each activities will be recorded with one unqiue tag in incremtal way | 13:13 |
| zhiyuan_ | and since we are trying a new model, I think it's time for us to migrate to OpenStack CI, not maintain our third party CI | 13:14 |
| joehuang | shall we add the timestamp to our table | 13:14 |
| joehuang | sure | 13:14 |
| joehuang | #action migrate to OpenStack CI but nor 3rd party CI | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | to zhipeng, good idea | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok, I will update the google docs tomorrow | 13:15 |
| joehuang | #action add guide how to contribute to the stateless PoC | 13:16 |
| joehuang | any question on the stateless proposal and networking? | 13:16 |
| zhipeng | is there anything different for networking between stateful and stateless? | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | same | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan_ | I think it's fine to add time stamp field, oslo db already provides the base class | 13:18 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:18 |
| joehuang | #action add time stamp to the table | 13:19 |
| zhipeng | so i think i could try to work on the networking side since either solution would require it | 13:19 |
| joehuang | that's great | 13:19 |
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| zhiyuan_ | do we need to keep the client module? | 13:21 |
| joehuang | to bottom OpenStack? | 13:21 |
| zhiyuan_ | yes | 13:21 |
| joehuang | for Nova/Cinder, no need, but we can remove later | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | for bottom Neutron, we may have to use client, because information comes from DB | 13:23 |
| joehuang | or from API | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | how about your idea/ | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | we don't need to remove the client in a hurry, remove when we make sure we'll not use it. | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan_ | so we can keep the client module, it is configurable, if we don't use it to access bottom Nova and Cinder, we just remove the related configuration | 13:25 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan_ | so after I submit the init patch, I am going to work on new tables | 13:27 |
| joehuang | good | 13:28 |
| joehuang | after new table, we can start to process the request to novaapigw and cinderapigw | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | and first to connect one bottom openttack | 13:28 |
| joehuang | after one bottom openstack can be connected, then L3 networking between bottom OpenStacks | 13:29 |
| joehuang | #action update the todo list in the etherpad | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo | 13:31 |
| joehuang | thanks for attending the meeting. let's end our meeting today | 13:32 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 13:32:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-12-02-13.04.html | 13:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-12-02-13.04.txt | 13:32 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:32 |
| zhiyuan_ | good night | 13:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-12-02-13.04.log.html | 13:32 |
| zhipeng | thx bye | 13:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 14:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone here for the docteam meeting? | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | roll call? | 14:01 |
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| katomo | Hi o/ | 14:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello katomo | 14:02 |
| katomo | hello ShillaSaebi | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | looks like its just you and I so far | 14:03 |
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| katomo | oh | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright well lets just go ahead and get started | 14:05 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:05 | |
| ShillaSaebi | none | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:05 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ (App developer doc) | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247189/ (Zaqar content in User Guide) | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238770/ (User Guide reorg) | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/ (Ops Guide reorg) | 14:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | the ops guide reorg is likely to be pushed back to the L-release | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry N | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info ops-guide reorganization is likely to move to the N-release | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions on the specs? | 14:07 |
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| katomo | none | 14:07 |
| katomo | Hi, lbragstad | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:08 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - Open review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235893/ | 14:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - Business as usual. Nothing that stands out to mention as of now | 14:08 |
| dguitarbite | Hello | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - Open reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239361/ | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi dguitarbite | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - no update. | 14:09 |
| katomo | hi dguitarbite | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - After a specification update, there is a need to provide a more comprehensive scope: a list of Core features within scope, and include research on the nova-network/ neutron migration study. Contact from Zaqar, Trove, and Murano Liaisons on Admin guide tasks has been helpful, and given the reorganisation direction. A patch on fernet tokens (FAQ format) merged into the Cloud Admin Guide this week. | 14:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch guide migration is complete. We are currently planning to reorganize the guide over a two day virtual sprint. Looks like the final days that were picked are 12/21 and 12/22, it will be a 2 day virtual sprint | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | Let me or darrenc know if you are interested | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - Review ready for the Mitaka specification of a vision for app dev docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 14:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yo, a bit late (7am is crazy talk) | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | hey no problem Sam-I-Am | 14:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | 6am for CA which is worse | 14:11 |
| katomo | Hi Sam-I-Am | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 14:11 |
| dguitarbite | Hi Sam-I-Am | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - The tools are ready, the liberty branch is set up, the RST migration is in progress, feel free to pick a file and join in | 14:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Training Labs - Training-labs has Kilo patch merged! We are currently updating the network configuration and trying to get things as per Matt's feedback/request. We plan to start adding Liberty very soon and also KVM port is on the way. | 14:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | @dguitarbite feel free to add anything I may have missed on the training labs | 14:13 |
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| dguitarbite | Oh yes, we have updated the network addresses as per install guides. | 14:13 |
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| dguitarbite | KVM port is nearly ready. We are doing some final tests. | 14:13 |
| dguitarbite | And yes, we have new contributors :). | 14:13 |
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| katomo | good | 14:14 |
| dguitarbite | Welcoming berndbausch to training-labs team as a new contributor. | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | welcome berndbausch | 14:14 |
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| dguitarbite | Thats it from my side for now. | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Hyperviser Tuning Guide - On schedule - working on changing bullet-point notes into rough draft sections. | 14:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | on specialty teams, .I have one more thing to add for the arch/ops guide | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | for the virtual swarm which were looking at doing on 12/21 and 12/22 we're looking for SMEs | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | We need to get some SMEs onboard now to pull the book apart and suggest changes in the proposed structure. Explicitly state what needs to be removed, changed or added. | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a fun time right around the holidays | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | This is the link to the etherpad we're using: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-reorg to document these changes | 14:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions or comments? | 14:18 |
| katomo | Debian Install Guide need a tester | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep, which i'll try getting to this week | 14:19 |
| katomo | I think, the more, the better | 14:19 |
| katomo | okay | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | need to make sure its followed step-by-step without peeking at other distros | 14:19 |
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| katomo | sure | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on the specialty teams? | 14:20 |
| katomo | ops guide | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm guessing i missed install and networking | 14:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | because sleepy :) | 14:21 |
| katomo | :) | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | is berendt here? | 14:21 |
| katomo | ops guide RST conversion? for L release cycle | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah thats likely not happening until the L release | 14:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Arch guide RST conversion is complete and the reorganization is underway soon during the swarm | 14:22 |
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| katomo | *N cycle :) | 14:22 |
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| katomo | ShillaSaebi, okay | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | we're in the L release | 14:22 |
| katomo | yep | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | sorry M | 14:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I can go over install and networking again if you want @Sam-I-Am | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sam-I-Am | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | was anyone here for them? | 14:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | no | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, i think i can cover both | 14:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - Business as usual. Nothing that stands out to mention this week. #info Networking Guide - Open reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239361/ It's been slow progress, hoping to speed up after the US holidays. | 14:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes please feel free to chime in | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | install guide - finally figuring out our meeting schedule for the M cycle, then working on a spec for the M guide | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | obviously you hit on the debian testing | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | network guide - also figuring out a meeting schedule for the M cycle | 14:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | first meeting will probably cover what the networking guide should and shouldnt include, based on discussion around the ovn spec | 14:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/mitaka/networkguide-ovn.html | 14:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | also working on a spec for reorganizing some of the content | 14:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else? | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | stay tuned for some apac meeting time suggestions | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | this meeting is also hard for us west coasters during standard time :/ | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | it | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's hard for east coast time for me too | 14:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | might think about making it a couple hours later | 14:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or at least throwing out the suggestion | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | i usually get to the office at 9:30 AM so it changes my schedule up a bit | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah its something worth thinking about | 14:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats it from me | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action ShillaSaebi to pitch the idea by Lana on getting the US Docs meeting time pushed back a bit | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, neutron auto-generates config files now :) | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh cool | 14:31 |
| katomo | :) | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright lets move along to the next topic then | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to Mitaka | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 126 days | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20160407T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Mitaka+Launch+Date&font=cursive | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info DocImpact specs are now underway, details here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080294.html | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | they come too quickly! | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Brian & Christian are working on documenting openstack-doc-tools & reorganizing the index page | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yep, very quickly | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright any questions or comments? | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok last but not least... | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:33 | |
| ShillaSaebi | Our new rewards scheme for killing old bugs will be announced shortly. | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | Lana is still working on it | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | I don't really have much else on that | 14:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open Discussion | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:35 | |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone have anything they would like to bring up | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | no? | 14:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright then we can go ahead and close out the meeting | 14:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks for joining! | 14:37 |
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| katomo | none from me | 14:37 |
| katomo | thanks! | 14:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 14:37:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-12-02-14.00.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-12-02-14.00.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-12-02-14.00.log.html | 14:37 |
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| dguitarbite | bye | 14:39 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for StoryBoard? | 15:00 |
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| Zara | hellooo! | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 15:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| SotK | #info We merged the first part of the boards and worklists work! | 15:02 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:02 |
| SotK | it's now possible to create a kanban board that is only useable by you! | 15:02 |
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| Zara | hehehe | 15:02 |
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| Zara | and I believe the permissions stuff is still in review, but needs some tweaking? | 15:03 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:03 |
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| Zara | so after that we should have boards that are more widely usable | 15:03 |
| SotK | yup, hopefully that will be soon-ish | 15:03 |
| Zara | yeah, seems like it's nearly there | 15:03 |
| SotK | I don't know of anything else to announce? | 15:04 |
| Zara | not that I can think of | 15:04 |
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| SotK | I also don't know of any urgent items | 15:04 |
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| Zara | nope | 15:04 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:04 |
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| SotK | #info Boards and Worklists initial support is merged, it is now possible to create and use boards and worklists! | 15:05 |
| Zara | getting deja vu | 15:05 |
| Zara | but yes, we have buttons to create them and buttons to view them | 15:05 |
| persia | how? I was just looking at that, and didn7t see the opportunity to create one after logging in. | 15:05 |
| SotK | #info Further work to allow more than one person to use them is in review | 15:06 |
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| SotK | persia: "Create new... --> Board" | 15:06 |
| Zara | persia: there should be a 'create new' button at the top for now | 15:06 |
| Zara | the placement of buttons and things needs tweaking | 15:06 |
| persia | Aha! Thanks. | 15:06 |
| Zara | but yeah, it's a start. | 15:06 |
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| SotK | we should probably do some user documentation for storyboard sometime | 15:07 |
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| Zara | yes, especially for boards and worklists, since that's new | 15:07 |
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| Zara | I should be able to take care of that | 15:08 |
| SotK | #info Emails are in the same place as last week | 15:08 |
| SotK | #undo | 15:08 |
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| SotK | #info Emails are in the same state as last week | 15:08 |
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| Zara | so, waiting on replies to your comments in review? | 15:08 |
| * SotK hasn't got round to chasing for replies yet :/ | 15:08 | |
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| SotK | Is it worth sending an email to the infra list when we merge the multi-user boards stuff? | 15:09 |
| SotK | to announce we've added it etc. | 15:09 |
| Zara | I think so | 15:10 |
| SotK | and give some guidance on usage | 15:10 |
| Zara | it's a significant new feature. | 15:10 |
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| Zara | we should probably get the [storyboard] mailing list started again | 15:10 |
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| * SotK will write one in preparation then :) | 15:11 | |
| Zara | (if it has its own list, anyway, might just be the infra list with [storyboard] in the subject...) | 15:11 |
| SotK | #action SotK to send an email to the infra list about boards and worklists, once they are usable by multiple people. | 15:12 |
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| * SotK wonders how the roadmap is going | 15:13 | |
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| Zara | # info notifications spec/roadmap planning in progress here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Notifications | 15:14 |
| Zara | it now lists the current implementation pretty comprehensively, I think (maybe missing some backend stuff, but in terms of features and UX, I think it's pretty well covered) | 15:15 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:15 |
| Zara | so the main thing to move onto is what we *want*, and where that implementation falls short | 15:15 |
| Zara | I've noted the issue of subscriptions behing a bit too, er, heavy-handed | 15:15 |
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| Zara | that is, you can't subscribe to 'a project except x story that's currently listed in that project' | 15:15 |
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| Zara | beyond that, I think it's a matter of getting more input. I think I've noted that we want email notifications (or at least implied that by saying that patches are in review, can't remember if it's explicit) | 15:17 |
| Zara | but as far as user configuration options, etc, I'm not sure what people would want to add | 15:17 |
| SotK | indeed, I have a little plan I want to test out for handling that situation | 15:17 |
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| Zara | yeah. I've tried to list the current options, at least. | 15:17 |
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| SotK | Any other in progress work? | 15:18 |
| Zara | that way I have some idea what to put in a roadmap. I think 'work out where things are at atm' was the first step in the planned roadmap, but didn't get written down except on irc, oops. | 15:18 |
| Zara | mainly just testing and reviewing | 15:18 |
| SotK | oh, I looked at the preferences being broken thing | 15:19 |
| Zara | discovering the many ways databases can do strange things | 15:19 |
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| SotK | I sent a couple of patches which will avoid the issue for new users, and alleviate it for existing ones | 15:20 |
| Zara | :) | 15:20 |
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| Zara | thanks. I'll try to get round to testing them today to see if anything breaks. | 15:20 |
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| SotK | thanks :) | 15:21 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:21 |
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| Zara | so re: notifications spec, I'd like to find out where people think the current implementation falls short. I should have posed this question before the meeting, though, to allow people to think about it. so this might not be the best time to discuss | 15:22 |
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| Zara | but I'd like to have some sort of discussion, maybe end of this week? | 15:22 |
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| Zara | it's not something I can easily decide on my own, because I'm used to working around storyboard's notification idiosyncracies by this point. | 15:23 |
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| SotK | beyond the obvious "it needs to send emails", I am in the same situation as you | 15:24 |
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| persia | Zara: Are you familiar with LP's notifications model at all? That might be one source of information regarding people's expectations (as most OpenStack folk use LP today) | 15:24 |
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| Zara | persia: not really familiar with it. given they want to come off launchpad, I'm wondering how useful it would be, but I don't know if that's an area where users have a problem with it. | 15:25 |
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| Zara | (that=notification) | 15:26 |
| persia | I personally never liked LP's notification model, but I know lots of people who depend on it in all sorts of ways, so it is worth understanding. | 15:26 |
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| persia | The LP limitations are more about how bugs affect multiple projects, priorities, release tracking, spec tracking, etc., as I understand it, but I've not been privy to all the discussions. | 15:27 |
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| Zara | okay, will try to take a look | 15:27 |
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| Zara | if people would be fine with sb just sending emails, I'd suggest we switch priority after that, but I would suspect that we might get more feedback after people start getting the emails | 15:28 |
| Zara | which I'd like to predict | 15:28 |
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| Zara | before pitchforks | 15:28 |
| Zara | probably not possible, but I can dream | 15:28 |
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| persia | Maybe there can be a global preference as to whether folk want email, defaulting to "no", so that people can turn it on as they are willing to participate, and turn it off before polishing pitchforks? | 15:29 |
| Zara | yeah, I believe SotK has made a patch for that. | 15:30 |
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| Zara | It's just going to be harder to get people to flip a switch to 'yes' again once they've turned it off | 15:30 |
| Zara | so I'd like to avoid giving people a reason to flip it, but I suspect that won't be possible | 15:30 |
| SotK | indeed, I wouldn't force the emails upon people | 15:31 |
| persia | If the default is "no", then your early adopters will likely provide vocal input on their desires. | 15:31 |
| persia | Changing the default can happen later, to avoid the "make it all go away and never come back" problem. | 15:31 |
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| * SotK agrees with that | 15:32 | |
| Zara | true, wfm | 15:32 |
| SotK | I suspect that people who willingly turn them on will be more likely to give useful feedback than pitchforks | 15:33 |
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| Zara | I just wonder how big that sample of people will be, but agree in theory. | 15:33 |
| Zara | right, well that'll be a better time to get feedback, then; I don't think we can get much yet. | 15:33 |
| SotK | given that a fair number of people seem to want email notifications, I'd hope there is at least a few who try xD | 15:33 |
| SotK | I imagine all we'll get before we do a first-pass is hopes, dreams, and demands for the moon on a stick :) | 15:34 |
| Zara | yeah. I'll look into launchpad, then, in the meantime, probably best to concentrate on getting current email patches merged before we add much to the spec/roadmap (other than info on current backend implementation details) | 15:34 |
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| SotK | hello again | 15:44 |
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| SotK | I hear some stuff I said got lost in the netsplit | 15:44 |
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| SotK | 15:35:17 < SotK> + other bits we need for notifications to be nice | 15:44 |
| SotK | 15:35:25 < SotK> eg. a place to see all your subscriptions | 15:44 |
| SotK | 15:35:32 < SotK> and manage them easily | 15:44 |
| SotK | 15:35:59 < SotK> I'm feeling a big dashboard-related bikeshed coming on soon | 15:45 |
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| SotK | Anything else to discuss? | 15:45 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 15:46:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-12-02-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-12-02-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-12-02-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 15:59:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 15:59 |
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| flip214 | hi | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Meetbot is a little slow today. :) | 15:59 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | hello :) | 16:00 |
| egon | morning | 16:00 |
| yhayashi | hello | 16:00 |
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| flip214 | perhaps the ping would be better in #openstack-cinder, in case these people are not /JOINed here yet | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | flip214: Eh, I'm not going to go searching. :) | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Howdy! | 16:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #info python-cinderclient 1.5.0 released | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Got the new client out yesterday. It has the commands for replication. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #info M-1 milestone to be tagged today or tomorrow | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | I'll be getting that in place today. Just need to review the instructions again. :) | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Reminder on our current deadlines: | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link Deadlines http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078215.html | 16:03 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:03 |
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| erlon | anyone here?? | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Seems pretty quiet. | 16:03 |
| Swanson | erlon, nope | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | I hope we're not having freenode issues again. | 16:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:03 |
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| flip214 | freenode has a hub gone bust, they said | 16:04 |
| flip214 | about 15mins ago | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: I think we are. jgregor and baumann don't see anything in the channel. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | flip214: :{ | 16:04 |
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| flip214 | 16:46 [Freenode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global-ish notice] Hmm, appears a hub went boom. Services are unavailable whilst we | 16:04 |
| scottda | hi | 16:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:04 |
| dulek_ | smcginnis: We do, from what I see Europe is netsplitted - joining through online IRC client. | 16:04 |
| flip214 | figure out where it went. | 16:04 |
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| flip214 | never mind, we'll be much faster that way ;) | 16:04 |
| egon | only part of europe... | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Well, hopefully the meetbot is up and at least captures this for those that are cut off. | 16:05 |
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| wanghao | hi, everyone | 16:05 |
| Swanson | This is what the meetings will be like after trump builds an irc wall. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:05 |
| * jgriffith joins the *right* side of the split | 16:05 | |
| smcginnis | Still trying to see if nova's method works for us with that etherpad. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Added a link to some review stats that might help get some attention to what needs it. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Come to the dark side. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | ha | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Another reminder/attention getter for third party CI: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder&time=7+days | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | We'll need to start cracking down on that soon. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Very soon. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I know a lot of folks have been having issues lately. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | We need to focus on stablizing that again. | 16:07 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: looks cool, thanks for the link | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | flip214: I hope it helps. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | OK, enough for general annoucnements. | 16:07 |
| DuncanT1 | Sorry, had some trouble with irc cloud not behaving | 16:07 |
| DuncanT1 | I'll read the log later | 16:08 |
| flip214 | yeah, it's like my current overview link via graphite, but also shows other CIs - and that helps. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Was just going to check if you made it. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT1: looks like freenode issues. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | #topic Removing drivers | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT1: You're just in time. :) | 16:08 |
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| flip214 | bswartz: no, hub gone. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Still there? | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT1 | Yes | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Boom! | 16:09 |
| DuncanT1 | I'm still here, not sure if anybody else is | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Yeah, hoping things get recorded. | 16:09 |
| thingee | present | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Want to discuss driver removal? | 16:10 |
| DuncanT1 | Is Jungleboy providing wifi for freenode now too? | 16:10 |
| DuncanT1 | smcginnis: Sure. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Ouch. :) | 16:10 |
| xyang2 | :) | 16:10 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my fist at DuncanT1 | 16:10 | |
| diablo_rojo | present | 16:10 |
| DuncanT1 | So we've got / had a few driver removals this cycle | 16:10 |
| tbarron | aye aye | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT1 | I'm wondering if we should think about what our policy is for these | 16:10 |
| DuncanT1 | What about users who're relying on these drivers, etc | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: umm.... | 16:11 |
| DuncanT1 | I don't know any answers, but I'd like to know what other people think | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: we had that discussion at removal time IIRC | 16:11 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: I don't see it for the Scality one for example | 16:11 |
| wanghao | Feel something to be weird:( | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: The consensus was that they should pound on said vendor to get their things running again | 16:12 |
| egon | what's on the removal list? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | I think planned removal is one thing. If a vendor doesn't want to be included any more, that's on them. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: in other words it becomes a market decision | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: are you suggesting we revisit 3'rd party CI in general? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Removal due to no CI is another. That might not be planned, even though the vendor should know better. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah | 16:12 |
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| flip214 | DuncanT1: don't remove from git, but put in an extra package called -untested or so | 16:13 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: Ok, if that's what everybody wants, I don't necessarily mind, just wanted people to speak up / spell it out | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT1: I think it's a fair point. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: no, not necessarily saying that. | 16:13 |
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| Erlon_ | hi | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: we learn as we go right? | 16:13 |
| thingee | we don't need some other package. What's "verified" is what's in driver log today | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I think you were right. If the vendor doesn't follow the rules then it is up to them to deal with sad customers. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: so do we need to revisit some of our past decisions? Come up with a plan etc | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | If we remove a driver and that causes issues for a big user, that reflects poorly on OpenStack, even though it should really be on the vendor. | 16:14 |
| thingee | https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | BUt on the other hand... | 16:14 |
| thingee | that's it^ | 16:14 |
| * jgriffith is skirting the question of whether the concept is actually working or not | 16:14 | |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: I put this in the meeting to start that process I guess.... give people time to think and discuss it at the midcycle maybe? | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | We don't want to have to take over maintenance for a vendor that doesn't feel like being involved. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: seems reasonable | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Definitely worth a discussion. | 16:14 |
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| thingee | I don't think there is anything to discuss | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I agree 1000% | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | thingee: really? | 16:14 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: how about a big message in the gui saying "USING UNVERIFIED DRIVER"? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | thingee: interesting | 16:14 |
| thingee | smcginnis: if you remove the driver, the driver itself is reflecting poorly on openstack | 16:14 |
| thingee | remove it | 16:15 |
| bswartz | One problem with driver removals is that customers don't necessarily go to their storage vendor to complain -- sometime they go to their distro to complain | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, I agree with you on those points | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I'm saying the removal of it can reflect poorly on openstack. | 16:15 |
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| flip214 | that's why I wouldn't remove. | 16:15 |
| thingee | smcginnis: keeping the driver is relecting poorly | 16:15 |
| DuncanT1 | thingee: A perfectly working driver that a vendor no longer wishes to support is not reflecting badly on openstack.... | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | thingee: But keeping an unmaintained driver can reflect poorly too. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: but I have bigger questions regarding whether CI is a failed experiment or not... but that's an independent topic | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I'm not advocating changing our policy. I actually agree with it. | 16:15 |
| flip214 | a driver that's kept in-tree can at least get some copy/paste/search+replace maintenance. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: thingee there are two sides to it, both valid IMO | 16:16 |
| bswartz | if you're a distro vendor, then it might be annoying to have drivers disappearing upstream | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | thingee: But it doesn't hurt to have a discussion to see if there is any way to make things better. | 16:16 |
| thingee | again I'm not hearing what people want here. Remove the driver, it's bad either way, just rip the bandaid | 16:16 |
| thingee | smcginnis: a discussion on what exactly? | 16:16 |
| scottda | I don't want a driver in my distro that is not maintained | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I don't think anybody is proposing an action, but stating that it might be worth thinking about and discussing at meetup | 16:16 |
| thingee | vendor doesn't maintain driver or ci, remove it | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: smcginnis sound accurate? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yep | 16:17 |
| flip214 | thingee: basically yes, but it impacts users and distros and then openstack too | 16:17 |
| thingee | If further discussion is needed around my last sentence, I'm curious why we need to complicate things more. | 16:17 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: +1 | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:17 |
| thingee | flip214: a poor driver impacts users and distros | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | To be clear, I think an unmaintained driver definitely should be removed. But end users of that driver can get caught in the cross fire. If we can do anything to ease that pain for them, I think it's worth talking about. | 16:17 |
| flip214 | thingee: a removed driver too | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT1 | thingee: Because removing a working driver affects users too | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | thingee: because this isn't a dictatorship, and some feel that the current system isn't really working | 16:18 |
| thingee | DuncanT1: you don't know if it's working if you can't verify | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Agreed! | 16:18 |
| thingee | hence ci | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: a basement! | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: cinder-basement... where unmaintained drivers go to hibernate | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:18 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: what's wrong with the current system? | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | If there is crossfire they need a bunker. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | honestly I'm more in line with thingee on that subject | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | We may discuss and decide nothing needs to change. But talking doesn't hurt anything. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | So let's talk about it at the midcycle. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: do a query on success/fail rates of the CI's | 16:19 |
| thingee | smcginnis: we've had the discussion. again and again | 16:19 |
| DuncanT1 | thingee: Drivers are being removed (for reasons other than no CI) - anybody using those drivers is screwed. Not a great situation# | 16:19 |
| thingee | smcginnis: not sure what magic discussion people are hoping happens. | 16:19 |
| flip214 | thingee: on the side, I agree with your point, too! | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | And if someone doesn't want to waste there time talking, then feel free to not participate. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: oh... I wasn't aware of that (other than CI) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:20 |
| thingee | DuncanT1: they're screwed for us keeping the driver in | 16:20 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: A vmware one and a scality one this cycle so far | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: not familiar I'm afraid... details on why if it wasn't CI related? | 16:20 |
| DuncanT1 | thingee: Not until we do something that breaks it. Maybe a deprecation period is possible? | 16:20 |
| egon | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: They chose to remove them. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Oh | 16:21 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: The vendors asked to remove it in the scality case, dunno about VMWare | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Well that's their business AFAIC | 16:21 |
| wanghao | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | That's completely not my problem | 16:21 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: Vendors are lazy and we don't want them making cinder look bad IMO. Maybe ask for a deprecation cycle? | 16:21 |
| thingee | DuncanT1: If said deprecation, I would say place a warning on the driver on start of c-vol | 16:21 |
| DuncanT1 | thingee: +1 | 16:21 |
| flip214 | thingee: nobody will see that, apart from developers. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: ok... but are you going to maintain and test VMware and Scality drivers? | 16:22 |
| thingee | also not included in driver log for the release. | 16:22 |
| flip214 | DuncanT1: would only push the problem for 6 months. | 16:22 |
| thingee | https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ | 16:22 |
| scottda | But if the vendor wants a driver out, why should we block that? | 16:22 |
| scottda | Who will support it? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: No, but I might say that their other drivers are up foor removal too if they don't maintain it for the deprication cycle, maybe? | 16:22 |
| flip214 | scottda: if she asks for removal, it *will* be removed. period. | 16:22 |
| thingee | scottda: I say let them. even if they want to support it out of tree, they'll have trademark issues. | 16:23 |
| DuncanT1 | flip214: It gives people time to go shout at the vendor, or change, rather than leaving them cold | 16:23 |
| flip214 | thingee: what's needed to get on the marketplace list? | 16:23 |
| thingee | flip214: good question. hogepodge has been working on the defcore cinder stuff. I imagine that. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: smcginnis well, I certainly don't have any concerns if a vendor removes their driver. So I'll butt out on this one, just voice my vote that "I think that's fine" | 16:24 |
| egon | and deprecations can be put into release notes, or onto project pages so people *can* see them. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I agree. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | I can give reasons if somebody wants it, but I don't want to waste air int he room | 16:24 |
| thingee | egon: FWIW, we do this today with liberity and kilo | 16:24 |
| DuncanT1 | jgriffith: Noted. I'm not sure of the best answer, wanted to get people's thoughts. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | I think it just raised the question of whether that's a clean way to do things with no deprecation. | 16:24 |
| flip214 | thingee: thanks for the pointer, derefencing ;) | 16:24 |
| egon | thingee: yes, it's helped with some other projects too | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT1: very fair, thanks! | 16:24 |
| hogepodge | flip214: for cinder drivers? To be a compatible product in the marketplace you need to be passing cinder ci | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Good to get folks thinking about it at least. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Anything else to say on the matter? | 16:25 |
| flip214 | hogepodge: -> #openstack-cinder | 16:25 |
| DuncanT1 | smcginnis: Nope, I think I'm done, thanks | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT1: Thanks! | 16:25 |
| thingee | I won't be present at the cinder midcycle sprint to discuss this, but I think the deprecation idea is fine as long as we're no longer promoting the driver | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | #topic FalconStor CI Approval | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT1 | thingee: +1 | 16:26 |
| thingee | and that's the point. for people who are in the "know" to still use the driver | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: No need for approval. Did you have a question about it? | 16:26 |
| sidbbt | hello there. hopefully i don't get disconnected due to the free node issues. so i can just flip the switch on my CI and start posting comments? | 16:26 |
| thingee | sidbbt: yes | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: Yes. If you are comfortable that it is stable then please do. | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | sidbbt: Is this driver for FreeStor? | 16:27 |
| sidbbt | should the CI be sending +1/-1 votes? at the moment, i've set it up to send 0 along with the comment | 16:27 |
| sidbbt | xyang2: yes it is | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: No voting for third party CI for now. | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | sidbbt: I actually have some concerns about it | 16:27 |
| sidbbt | xyang2: how so? | 16:27 |
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| xyang2 | I read something about FreeStor. It has a SDS controller | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | sidbbt: in the past, cinder community has rejected similar drivers | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Oh, is this another vipr one? | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | so if we are now open to accept this driver, then we are opening the door for other similar ones | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: yes | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Well, that will come out in the driver review. | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | I think so | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | As far as CI, no approval needed. | 16:29 |
| xyang2 | someone knows more can tell me I am wrong | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: But know that if it causes problems it will be disabled. | 16:29 |
| sidbbt | hmm. i might have to talk to the dev team about the SDS thing. but yeah, basically we're a storage virtualization appliance. | 16:29 |
| Erlon_ | xyang2: whats the problem with SDS controller storages? | 16:29 |
| thingee | sidbbt: so are we :) | 16:29 |
| xyang2 | sibddt: so it is hardware agnostic. this means you support many many storage platforms. that means you need CI for each one of them | 16:29 |
| thingee | sidbbt: you can see why this weird | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | xyang2: good point.. sidbbt in the past we've rejected abstraction layers within Cinder's abstraction layer | 16:29 |
| sidbbt | well, we virtualize the underlying commodity storage and present it as a freestor disk | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT1 | Erlon_: Historically we've asked what the point is.... storage virtualisation is kind of cinder's whole job | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Erlon_: SDS isn't a problem... it's abstractions that do the same thing as Cinder that have been a concern | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: Direct attached, or you abstract other storage systems? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Erlon_: so you have Cinder/Volume/Drivers/ABSTRACTION/Drivers/xxxxxxxxxxx | 16:30 |
| Erlon_ | jgriffith: hmm | 16:30 |
| sidbbt | from cinder's point of view, it's a freestor disk. the scsi inquiry on the disk would return a falconstor identifier. you wouldn't know the underlying physical storage. | 16:30 |
| thingee | sidbbt: well, we virtualize the underlying commodity storage and enterprise storage and present it as cinder volume | 16:30 |
| thingee | sidbbt: see what I did there? | 16:31 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: when we discussed about vipr driver in the past we were asked to provide CI for each storage backend we support | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | xyang2: :) | 16:31 |
| xyang2 | jgriffith: we need to be fair:) | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: Direct attached, or you abstract other storage systems? <- | 16:31 |
| sidbbt | regarding the CI: i noticed a note somewhere about asking to be added to the third party mail filter list | 16:31 |
| thingee | sidbbt: I actually don't remember now what the third party announce list gets used for. | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: I watched a video about FreeStor, it abstract storage underneath | 16:32 |
| sidbbt | smcginnis: i'm not clear on the terminology, but essentially we set in the data path. the storage is connected to our appliance. our appliance carves out virtual devices and presents them to the client using iscsi | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | "combines cutting-edge horizontal platform architecture with the ability to leverage new storage options" - well that clears it up. :) | 16:33 |
| thingee | sidbbt: sounds like cinder. we do that for things like lvm | 16:33 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: what came out of your session of allowing things like vipr? | 16:33 |
| sidbbt | hmm. so should we go ahead and submit our driver? or should i ask someone higher up on the development team to attend a meeting and discuss the architecture first? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | "allows enterprises to combine existing storage infrastructure with new technology" | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so the session was more about sticking with the concept of NOT doing that, and figuring out what cinder is/isn't lacking that would make anybody want to go that route | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | This does appear to be another vipr | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | sidbbt: In that case, I don't think this actually fits. | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: as of yet, I've yet to hear a single "customer" ask for something like this... it's always Vendor driven to push their product | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Weird | 16:35 |
| thingee | sidbbt, smcginnis: alright, there you go. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I've still yet to receive any feedback regarding an advantage for an end-user | 16:35 |
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| sidbbt | so the vipr driver wasn't accepted? | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Abstract your abstraction. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: No | 16:35 |
| xyang2 | sidbbt: correct | 16:35 |
| thingee | I don't want to drag this out sidbbt, but I don't think we'd accept the driver. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I think it should be available from vendors outside of tree personally | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I agree. | 16:35 |
| sidbbt | ah. so our alternative would be to distribute it though the marketplace? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, in this case I do back out of tree. :) | 16:36 |
| thingee | sidbbt: no the market place is for apporved drivers. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | sidbbt: no, not marketplace... but in your own github repo or whatever | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: hehe... I finally got one!!!! | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: ;) | 16:36 |
| thingee | jgriffith: :) | 16:36 |
| egon | so this would be a case where a vendor needs to integrate to distros | 16:36 |
| sidbbt | i see. i guess i'll discuss this with dev/product management. we'll hold off on the driver submission for the moment. this might require further discussion in a future meeting. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | sidbbt: Sounds good. | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | OK... | 16:37 |
| sidbbt | thank you everyone. | 16:37 |
| thingee | sidbbt: we've had this dicussion and in person meetings at the summit about this topic. I think the discussion has been exhausted unless as jgriffith mentioned there being a real use case for this | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully I can still control the meeting even though it somehow switched back to storyboard. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | #topic Bug Status | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | Just fyi... | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | #info Cinder bugs: 474 | 16:38 |
| openstack | bug 474 in Launchpad itself "Translate more than one language simultaneously" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/474 | 16:38 |
| thingee | heh | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | hah | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #info client bugs: 46 | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #info os-brick bugs: 17 | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | And as always, nova volume bugs can use some attention: | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: why do they all have to be "hard" bugs :) | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: No kidding. | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | Although, I do think a lot of them still have been fixed and just not closed. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: as much as I hated the "comment xyz misspelled" at least I could just laugh about them :) | 16:40 |
| thingee | wanted to note that the dev list digest is now separate from the newsletter | 16:40 |
| thingee | http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/11/openstack-developer-mailing-list-digest-november-20151121/ | 16:40 |
| thingee | read it, stay informed | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +2 | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Very useful! | 16:40 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:40 |
| flip214 | I encountered a bug in Nova recently that had already 5 patches on gerrit ... only to then be abandoned | 16:41 |
| flip214 | I guess because of the repeated whitespace and similar comments | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Wow... third party CI solution is DONE! | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, if anyone wants to be the Cinder cross project liason, I'm fine doing it but also fine handing it off. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | flip214: Death by 1000 paper cuts? :) | 16:42 |
| flip214 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1414802, in case anyone's interested. | 16:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1414802 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "volume-attach "already attached" and "already detached" are not mutually exclusive" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Vincent Hou (houshengbo) | 16:42 |
| flip214 | smcginnis: yeah, looks that way | 16:42 |
| flip214 | Change abandoned by Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com) on branch: master | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I was kind-of doing that but it fell off my radar. Meeting is at a bad time due to family commitments. | 16:43 |
| thingee | smcginnis: thanks for reminding me. I'll start hounding projects about electing a cross-project spec liaison | 16:43 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080869.html | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: No worries. Yeah, not the best time. | 16:43 |
| thingee | smcginnis: technically I could just do it for cinder ;) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | thingee: :) | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I do need to spend more time on those specs myself. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? Or end early? | 16:44 |
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| flip214 | thingee: so, the DRBD transport | 16:45 |
| thingee | smcginnis: it's difficult when also managing your own project. I know we want ptls informed in cross-project, but I think you need someone to bring in a ptl when necessary | 16:45 |
| flip214 | that should be in Nova and Cinder would have to have a spec in the cross-projects repo? | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 16:45:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-02-15.59.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-02-15.59.txt | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-12-02-15.59.log.html | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Good point. | 16:45 |
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| thingee | flip214: lets continue in #openstack-cinder | 16:45 |
| flip214 | right | 16:45 |
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| wanghao | smcginnis: really need more reviews on our specs :) | 16:48 |
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| KCalman | o/ | 16:59 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic-qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 17:01:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic-qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:01 |
| jroll | ohai | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | anyone here for ironic qa meeting? | 17:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 17:01 |
| sambetts | o/ yup | 17:01 |
| sinval | \o | 17:01 |
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| [1]cdearborn | \o/ | 17:02 |
| liliars | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | /o\ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | ah, ok, whew :) | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | I am running the meeting this week, I am assuming jlvillal is still in class | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | here is the agenda, which is very light | 17:03 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | so this may be a short one | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | anyone have anything to add to grenade or functional status? | 17:04 |
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| sinval | about functional, I started a simple change (WIP) for publishing driver interfaces functional tests | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, great, link? | 17:05 |
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| jroll | sinval: yeah, looking at those, any reason not to make them part of tempest runs? AIUI functional tests aren't meant to deal with hardware and such | 17:06 |
| sinval | there you go: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249515/ | 17:06 |
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| jroll | (I feel like we talked about this once already though) | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249515/ | 17:06 |
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| sinval | jroll, I have some thoughts about this, would be nice to have you suggestions on the patch, I'll update it, since I'm more aware how the functional tests thing is working in Ironic and python-ironicclient, so, yes | 17:07 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:07 |
| jroll | sinval: sure thing | 17:07 |
| * krtaylor looks | 17:07 | |
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| rajinir_ | o/ | 17:08 |
| sinval | the code is still not finished, it is just a sketch for ideas and discussion... | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | #topic Grenade and Functional testing | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | forgot to do that... | 17:09 |
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| krtaylor | ok, anything else on this topic? | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | sinval, I'll review that also | 17:11 |
| sinval | krtaylor, thanks | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well, onward then | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | #topic third party CI | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | so, the spec got a bunch of great reviews | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241294/ | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | I had assumed that we were going to merge and deal with the specifics in the docs | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | but, I can address these in the spec and push a new version if needed | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | comments? | 17:13 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, can you push a new one and we can land it? | 17:13 |
| jroll | I'm sad that isn't merged yet :( | 17:14 |
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| thingee | seems like there is enough consensus without showstoppers | 17:14 |
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| thingee | also would like to note communication went out last monday to the list as well to driver maintainers I've identified via git http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080867.html | 17:15 |
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| krtaylor | yes, that was on my list to thingee | 17:15 |
| jroll | thingee: \o/ thank you for that | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | thanks for that | 17:15 |
| liliars | yeah, I saw that, thxx thingee | 17:15 |
| thingee | krtaylor: sorry for jumping ahead :) | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | also thingee did this -> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Testing#Third_Party_CI | 17:15 |
| thingee | thanks all for the help in getting this out. | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | since we are at it, thanks for that too! | 17:16 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, I'll be happy to address the comments and push a new version of the spec, and to seek approval quickly | 17:17 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, I'll be around for a bit tomorrow morning, otherwise can review monday if you just ping me | 17:18 |
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| jroll | (ping me when it's up, that is) | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | will do | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | thingee, any questions or comments off the maillist, I haven't seen any traffic on it | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | re: the driver communication email | 17:20 |
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| thingee | nope | 17:21 |
| thingee | they will come though | 17:21 |
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| thingee | unfortunately as we near the deadline | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | without doubt :) | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | ok, well, anything else on this? | 17:21 |
| liliars | I'm happy to say our team managed to overcome network issues and our CI is finally able to test a deploy workflow \o/ just finishing some automatizing scripts for that and we'll put it up | 17:22 |
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| liliars | if anyone has got issues and want some tips, feel free to ping me and (I guess hah) sinval :) | 17:22 |
| sambetts | \o/ | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | liliars, amazing how close we are, my team has just done the same | 17:22 |
| sinval | We also saw new statements on CI spec regarding the tests that every CI should run (dsvm-pxe_ipa), we need to work on this | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | maurosr, mjturek1 ^^ | 17:23 |
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| liliars | krtaylor, cool!! | 17:23 |
| mjturek1 | yep, hoping to be commenting soon :) | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | we are expecting to start soon | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | yes :) | 17:23 |
| sambetts | my progress has been slowed re: the cisco ci because of a lack of space for equipment, more progress should be happening in the new year :( | 17:24 |
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| krtaylor | excellent, any other systems coming online soon? | 17:24 |
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| * krtaylor is interested in comparing notes for how the CI systems were set up | 17:25 | |
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| krtaylor | ok, anything else? | 17:26 |
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| krtaylor | next then | 17:26 |
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| krtaylor | #topic General QA and Open Discussion | 17:26 |
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| sambetts | do we need to reiterate Anita's message? | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | which one? | 17:26 |
| jroll | sambetts: do iiiiit | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | not to announce on -dev? | 17:27 |
| sambetts | yeah and to use the third party wiki | 17:27 |
| mjturek1 | sorry, might be out of the loop. Not announce what exactly? | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | yeah, the history there is that when we started seeing a lot of systems come up, there was a lot of noise, so we started the wiki | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | mjturek1, there was an ironic CI system announce they were reporting | 17:28 |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080808.html | 17:28 |
| jroll | ^ that | 17:28 |
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| mjturek1 | ahhhhh got it, thanks jroll and krtaylor | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | I tried for some time to get active status displayed on theta wiki page, but it is difficult because of the wiki formatting | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | that wiki page is meant to list all active CI systems and their status | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | there are instructions there that show hoe to update the status working around some of the wiki strangeness | 17:30 |
| sambetts | we've also got this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI for CI development updates | 17:30 |
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| krtaylor | yes, and cinder and other projects also have sub-driver testing pages, we can as well | 17:31 |
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| sambetts | How does this get updated? http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog?project_id=openstack%2Fironic | 17:31 |
| sinval | krtaylor, +1 | 17:32 |
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| jroll | sambetts: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog#How_To:_Add_a_new_driver_to_DriverLog | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, there is a patch to add your system | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | yes that ^^^ | 17:32 |
| jroll | that's pretty out of date, does anyone want to take an action to update that (besides CI updates)? | 17:33 |
| sambetts | haha I was about to say should we update it with all the drivers we know about now | 17:33 |
| krtaylor | the list or the instructions? | 17:33 |
| sambetts | It should be updated with all the drivers listed https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:34 |
| sambetts | and then we should have instructions to tell those implementing CI to update their status on there | 17:34 |
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| krtaylor | the "official" list is the wiki at: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | I would think that stackalytics would mine that...somehow | 17:36 |
| jroll | well, that's the official CI list, not driver list, yeah? | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | but, alas, multiple places to keep the info synced | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | jroll, good point, but there are few systems that have more than one driver | 17:37 |
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| sambetts | driverlog looks like a nice way to store the info because its a repo full of data, and anything could use that data | 17:38 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: but there are many drivers without CI systems :P | 17:38 |
| krtaylor | hehheh how true | 17:38 |
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| krtaylor | for us, let's start with our etherpad/wiki and see what we need to add to stackalytics | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | as far as I know, stackalytics isn't used for any official purpose for infra or anything | 17:39 |
| sambetts | ok :) | 17:40 |
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| jroll | sure | 17:41 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, re: pxe_ipa tests | 17:41 |
| krtaylor | we were not planning on having ipa testing initially | 17:42 |
| sinval | krtaylor, ok thanks | 17:42 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, so what should be our required base set of tests | 17:45 |
| krtaylor | feel free to add that as a comment in the spec | 17:45 |
| krtaylor | but the requirement is for N remember :) | 17:45 |
| jroll | whoa whoa wait | 17:45 |
| jroll | "we were not planning on having ipa testing initially" ??? | 17:46 |
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| jroll | the bash ramdisk is deprecated, and the recommended deploy ramdisk is IPA | 17:46 |
| jroll | there's no reason not to use that for testing | 17:46 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, we (as in PowerKVM), we don't (yet) support IPA | 17:46 |
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| jroll | the *agent driver* is different, but dsvm-pxe_ipa is basically our baseline tempest job right now | 17:46 |
| jroll | oh. | 17:47 |
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| krtaylor | I guess what I was poking at was - is that a problem for any other system to have that by N | 17:47 |
| sinval | krtaylor: ok, will do, I thought that we were going to discuss about that during the docs development, but talk during the spec sounds reasonable | 17:47 |
| krtaylor | sinval, looks like we have another round of comments on the spec :) | 17:48 |
| jroll | krtaylor: it's the only supported deployment mechanism by the end of N, so... | 17:48 |
| jroll | there shouldn't be any reason why a system doesn't support it, curious why powerkvm can't | 17:48 |
| jroll | or why a driver couldn't support it | 17:49 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, it is probably close for us (powerkvm), we have been focused on IPMI initially to get our test system set up | 17:49 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: dsvm-pxe_ipa is just pxe_ipmitool with an IPA ramdisk | 17:50 |
| krtaylor | yes, we haven't got around to trying that yet | 17:51 |
| jroll | which is kind of the "default" or "recommended" deployment right now; which is why we chose it as the baseline test for CI | 17:51 |
| jroll | ok | 17:51 |
| jroll | it's just linux :D | 17:51 |
| krtaylor | yes, but different platform :) | 17:51 |
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| jroll | indeed | 17:52 |
| jroll | :P | 17:52 |
| krtaylor | I'll roll up/answer the latest comments on the CI spec, any other actions? | 17:52 |
| jroll | +1, thanks for doing that | 17:53 |
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| krtaylor | it seems we are winding down, anything else? | 17:53 |
| sinval | 5 minutes | 17:53 |
| sambetts | nothing from me | 17:53 |
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| krtaylor | thanks everyone, it was another good meeting | 17:54 |
| liliars | thanks krtaylor! bye everyone | 17:54 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:54 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 17:54:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-02-17.01.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-02-17.01.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-12-02-17.01.log.html | 17:54 |
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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting Heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 20:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:00 | |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 20:00 |
| ryansb | hey folks | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| dgonzalez | o/ | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb | 20:00 |
| jdandrea | p/ | 20:00 |
| jdandrea | o/ | 20:01 |
| prazumovsky | hi | 20:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | ok. cool. we have a really great Agenda | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to Agenda | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to Agenda (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:01 | |
| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-12-02_2000_UTC.29 | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | I suggest to skip this topic due to high load for agenda :) | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | crikey | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I hope, that 3 item may be squashed, but it looks clear now ) | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | if we have time I'd like to cover liberty branch and convergence ci | 20:03 |
| zaneb | I was going to ask what reno is, but I see that's on there already | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sure | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | will add | 20:03 |
| pas-ha | reno==RElease NOtes | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | anyway we may continue in #heat | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | in worst case :) | 20:04 |
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| jdandrea | We need more agenda items. ;) | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | lets crack on | 20:05 |
| jdob | jdandrea: ironically, thats the first agenda item | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | jdandrea: no please ... | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Review priorities | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review priorities (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:06 | |
| skraynev_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | Honestly I have not check this list from previous meeting :( | 20:06 |
| jdob | can someone give me a quick 15 second overview on how this etherpad works? can anyone add to it or do the priorities come from somewhere else? | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | re-authentification is merged. | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | jdob: I think we're adding to it now | 20:07 |
| jdob | i have a spec i'd like to get eyes on and two reviews that have been floating around for a while now | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | shardy: do you think it would be appropriate to backport reauthentication to liberty? | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | jdob: you can add it yourself. :) | 20:07 |
| jdob | awesome | 20:07 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: it's disabled by default so should be ok | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: I suppose, that it also may be enabled in liberty? | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | shardy: because it would be a huge help to tripleo | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | IMO we have not really big changes in this part between current code and liberty | 20:08 |
| shardy | stevebaker, skraynev_: Yep, I think provided others agree a backport would be appropriate and low-risk | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | jdob: btw. I wanted to ping you before move BP to M2, but did not meet in my work time :) | 20:09 |
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| jdob | crud, I meant to do that too | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | jdob: I hope, that this change is ok for you. | 20:10 |
| pas-ha | +1 on re-auth backport | 20:10 |
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| jdob | ya, no problem on the change | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | shardy, stevebaker: btw it's already uploaded on review to stable | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | oh, cool | 20:10 |
| shardy | skraynev_: yup, thanks | 20:10 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252313/ | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252313/ | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | anything else ? I think, that I will take on etherpad only after M1 will be finished :) | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Milestone mitaka1 | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | I have moved all unfinished BPs to M2 | 20:13 |
| skraynev_ | There are 4 bugs in progress state | 20:13 |
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| shardy | wow 62 bugs | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | looks good, when is m1 due? | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | just uploaded fix for mine today, though in fact it will not fix the heat-templates gate as I hoped, so proirity might be lowered | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: today, isn't it? | 20:14 |
| jdob | i thought it was yesterday | 20:15 |
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| jdandrea | stevebaker: Does the oslo.log bug factor in to this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1516128 | 20:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516128 in heat "No handler found if logging occurs before logging is ready" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Joe D'Andrea (joedandrea) | 20:15 |
| pas-ha | Dec 1-3 | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker, zaneb: yeah. it's the reason why I have a special request to you guys :)))) | 20:15 |
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| skraynev_ | tomorrow is the last chance ;) | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | jdandrea: yeah | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | my fault, I did not thought, that it will be so fast :) | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: those 4 bugs could always be kicked | 20:16 |
| skraynev_ | so first question... | 20:16 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: Ok. I think I need to do something to add the heat bug (that's a duplicate) to this, perhaps. | 20:16 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: they always arrive sooner that you expect :D | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | s/that/than/ | 20:16 |
| * jdandrea will take it offline in #heat | 20:16 | |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker :you are answered on my question | 20:16 |
| skraynev_ | you read my thoughts :) | 20:16 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: zaneb: updated | 20:17 |
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| skraynev_ | anything else on launchpad ? | 20:17 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker, zaneb: I don't know should I do anything else on launchpad for M1 :) | 20:19 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic: finishing Reno work | 20:19 |
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| skraynev_ | but I know, that we have such mail from release team: | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: I think you just need to ensure bugs are commited and bps are implemented, either by closing or kicking | 20:19 |
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| skraynev_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080692.html | 20:19 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: for BPs it was done | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | has reno landed in heat yet> | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | ? | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | good question | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250105/4 | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | we still have this patch on review | 20:21 |
| zaneb | just approved it | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | don't we need it in master too for m1> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249744/ | 20:22 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250105/4 this is base implementation | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | I have a doubt about release notes | 20:23 |
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| skraynev_ | for m1 | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | because | 20:23 |
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| skraynev_ | glance, i.e. has not such notes | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: oh, ok | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | https://github.com/openstack/glance/tree/master/releasenotes/notes | 20:23 |
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| skraynev_ | but nova has | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/releasenotes/notes | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | so I am confused :) | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | dhellmann: ping | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | dhellmann: are you about? we have a query on whether m1 should be using reno | 20:24 |
| jdob | why wouldn't we want them for m1? seems like it'd make life easier at the end | 20:24 |
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| pas-ha | because we do not have any notes yet :) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: he just sent an email to the list today asking us to merge it today so it would be ready for m1 | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: so we still need some additional notes | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | nova has an unreleased.rst, we can always add that after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249744 lands | 20:25 |
| skraynev_ | not only base implementation for Reno | 20:25 |
| pas-ha | we'd have to back-track on important changes and fill out some notes | 20:25 |
| zaneb | ah, ok | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | pas-ha: but we have only tomorrow for it ;) | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | well, life is hard :( | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | so If we really need it, I'd request zaneb or stevebaker help with that | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | otherwise It will be really fun day for me tomorrow ;) | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | sure thing | 20:27 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic milestone tag 1 | 20:27 |
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| skraynev_ | so according the mail: I have prepared two patches: | 20:28 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252581/ | 20:28 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252579/1 | 20:28 |
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| skraynev_ | so, if you feel power - just update them, when release notes be ready | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:30 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb, stevebaker: I'd request you to ping or left message me tomorrow (my morning) about what I also need to do (in case if you do not do it yourself :) ) | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | ok | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | sure, I'll do a handover on your morning | 20:31 |
| * zaneb will be asleep, so off the hook ;) | 20:31 | |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: awesome. Big thanks | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | no problem | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: just write me a message ;) if it's ok for you ;) | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | ok. go to the next item | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | #topic replace tempest job with API services launched under Apache | 20:32 |
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| skraynev_ | ochuprykov: ping | 20:33 |
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| skraynev_ | looks like He is absent ... | 20:34 |
| skraynev_ | ok. I will give short intro | 20:34 |
| skraynev_ | 1. new tempest job with API launched under Apache was added | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | as experimental job | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | it works now | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | Oleksii check it on several patches | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | 2. there is a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252399/ | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252399/ | 20:36 |
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| skraynev_ | which replace existing tempest job by this new job with Apache | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | I remember, that we were agreement to do it. so please review | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | also you may run check experimental and make sure, that it works | 20:37 |
| therve | Why can't we keep both? Resources? | 20:37 |
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| skraynev_ | therve: yeap + timem which again depends on resources | 20:38 |
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| skraynev_ | s/timem/time | 20:38 |
| therve | Mokay. I hope we won't break the non-apache deployment. | 20:38 |
| skraynev_ | more job -> more resources -> more time | 20:38 |
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| skraynev_ | I suppose, that integration tests should be enough | 20:39 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: ^ what do you think about it? | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | +1 from me | 20:40 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: zaneb: pas-ha | 20:41 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | or silent == +1 ? :) | 20:41 |
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| ryansb | +1 | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | so... yes :) | 20:41 |
| zaneb | I have no strong feelings about it ;) | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | ok. | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | go to the next | 20:42 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic get_reality naming poll: get_synced_state, observe_on_update for the check_reality config flag | 20:42 |
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| prazumovsky | oh | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | short voting about naming | 20:42 |
| prazumovsky | next suggestions | 20:42 |
| prazumovsky | get_reality rename to: | 20:42 |
| shardy | me neither tbh provided it doesn't affect our functional tests | 20:42 |
| prazumovsky | 1. get_synched_state | 20:42 |
| prazumovsky | 2. get_entity_state | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | observe_for_update | 20:43 |
| prazumovsky | (number of prefered name) | 20:43 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: yes. it's just for tempest | 20:43 |
| prazumovsky | observe_for_update for config option | 20:43 |
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| prazumovsky | your opinions? | 20:43 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I had a question: why on "update" ? I thought, that we may execute get_reality for each state | 20:44 |
| skraynev_ | not only for update | 20:44 |
| ryansb | I like (2) better (also doesn't have the ambiguity of synced/synched/sync'd) | 20:44 |
| prazumovsky | 2 for me, bth | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | i guess technically everything is an update for convergence | 20:44 |
| prazumovsky | *btw | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | this is the name of the Resource plugin API call? | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | 2 is fine | 20:45 |
| skraynev_ | observe_for_update: this is about config option | 20:45 |
| shardy | why "entity" instead of just "resource" ? | 20:45 |
| skraynev_ | get_entity_state - as I understand for API | 20:45 |
| zaneb | shardy: yeah, that's what I was wondering | 20:45 |
| pas-ha | shardy, because "resource" is Heat's thing | 20:45 |
| shardy | get_resource_state, check_resource_state, observe_resource_state | 20:45 |
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| pas-ha | entity is what heat has created | 20:46 |
| shardy | pas-ha: well there's a good reason we call it that | 20:46 |
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| shardy | because we're creating an openstack resource | 20:46 |
| prazumovsky | pas-ha +1' | 20:46 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: we have also stacks... which state we also check, I suppose | 20:46 |
| pas-ha | resource state is alread CREATE_COMPLET | 20:46 |
| pas-ha | for example | 20:46 |
| shardy | I don't see why we need to reinvent another term tbh | 20:46 |
| therve | +1 for get_resource_state | 20:47 |
| zaneb | I'm still not clear on what we are trying to name here, but I think shardy is right | 20:47 |
| shardy | pas-ha: in the resource plugins, we refer to the actual thing as physical_resource generally don't we? | 20:47 |
| pas-ha | my be sync_resource_state | 20:47 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: but we check status for whole stacks... | 20:47 |
| shardy | get_physical_resource_state? | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | get_live_properties? | 20:47 |
| prazumovsky | live is same as reality | 20:47 |
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| pas-ha | but shorter ;) | 20:48 |
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| prazumovsky | pas-ha +1 for name | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | prazumovsky: and simpler ;) | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | obviously :) | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | get_live_properties - I am ok with it | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | therve: | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | ^ | 20:49 |
| jdob | only hiccup there is we already use properties, parameters, and attributes | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | what if the resource is missing or in an error state? that is not really properties related | 20:49 |
| therve | Erm | 20:49 |
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| shardy | but we're not getting properties though, those are inputs to the resource, we're getting the resource attributes, and comparing them against the stored resource state, aren't we? | 20:49 |
| skraynev_ | prazumovsky: ^ | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | get_live_state? | 20:50 |
| jdob | get_current_state? | 20:50 |
| zaneb | shardy: I have no idea, because I still don't know what API we're talking about ;) | 20:50 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 | 20:50 |
| therve | Let's move on | 20:50 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: lol | 20:50 |
| shardy | zaneb: Heh, I'm assuming its the observer call to poll actual resource state, vs our stored "complete" | 20:50 |
| therve | That was a horrible waste of meeting time, sorry for putting that :) | 20:50 |
| zaneb | shardy: but the inputs we have are properties, so in order to compare outputs, we're going to have to turn the outputs into the properties format | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | therve: lets bikeshed for the rest of the meeting :D | 20:51 |
| zaneb | I would have thought | 20:51 |
| prazumovsky | shardy, yes, we are | 20:51 |
| zaneb | therve: lol | 20:51 |
| therve | stevebaker, I don't see why not! :) | 20:51 |
| prazumovsky | sorry for dealy | 20:51 |
| prazumovsky | *delay | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | prazumovsky: you have a bunch of ideas now and most of them weren't terrible. just pick one | 20:52 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: continue in #heat looks so obvious ... | 20:52 |
| zaneb | then we can bikeshed again on the review ;) | 20:52 |
| * zaneb ducks | 20:52 | |
| stevebaker | 4 topics, 8 minuts left | 20:53 |
| prazumovsky | get_live_state as for me is fine | 20:53 |
| shardy | zaneb: I can't really parse the outputs->properties comment but, meh, it's getting late ;) | 20:53 |
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| prazumovsky | and i suggest to go on | 20:53 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: as pas-ha said life is hard ... | 20:53 |
| skraynev_ | ok. | 20:53 |
| zaneb | shardy: yeah, that was a horrible explanation | 20:53 |
| skraynev_ | #topic get_reality implementation problems with default properties specified in configs | 20:53 |
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| pas-ha | mine are not super important, can skip them | 20:53 |
| prazumovsky | yes, this is the main problem now | 20:54 |
| prazumovsky | for get_reality, i mean | 20:54 |
| pas-ha | or postpone to the next, relase mgmt took lots of time :( | 20:54 |
| skraynev_ | #agreement to continue bikeshed about API on review | 20:54 |
| shardy | lol | 20:54 |
| prazumovsky | we have non-updatable properties, which is optional, but if we don't specify it | 20:54 |
| prazumovsky | it specified with default value | 20:55 |
| prazumovsky | which defined in config file | 20:55 |
| pas-ha | prazumovsky, you mean those "immutable" | 20:55 |
| pas-ha | ? | 20:55 |
| prazumovsky | of other project | 20:55 |
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| pas-ha | or update_allowed=False? | 20:55 |
| prazumovsky | i mean required=False, update_allowed=False | 20:55 |
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| zaneb | prazumovsky: this sounds like a mailing-list type of question | 20:55 |
| prazumovsky | like AZ in Nova::Server | 20:55 |
| pas-ha | ok | 20:55 |
| prazumovsky | zaneb, ok | 20:55 |
| skraynev_ | prazumovsky: agree with zaneb. please describe issue in mail | 20:56 |
| prazumovsky | I can write a mail with this problem | 20:56 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Liberty branch and convergence CI | 20:56 |
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| prazumovsky | ok. | 20:56 |
| skraynev_ | I choose this one due to importance | 20:56 |
| skraynev_ | ;) | 20:56 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: ^ | 20:56 |
| skraynev_ | convergence is now voting | 20:56 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:57 |
| zaneb | is this two different topics? | 20:57 |
| skraynev_ | with three skipped tests | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | convergence CI is passing and voting \o/ | 20:57 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: I suggest In #heat after meeting | 20:57 |
| zaneb | \o/ | 20:57 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: I apologize for the jumping | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | the original plan was to backport fixes to liberty so that its convergence CI is also passing. Should we still aim to do that? | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | (discuss) | 20:58 |
| zaneb | meh | 20:58 |
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| skraynev_ | 2 min | 20:58 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I don't think, that it's possible... honestly | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | changes too high risk? too many? | 20:58 |
| skraynev_ | looks like porting tens patches.... | 20:58 |
| pas-ha | don't really see anyone enabling convergence in liberty stable release | 20:58 |
| shardy | skraynev_: so, we're saying convergence doesn't work in liberty? | 20:59 |
| zaneb | agree with pas-ha | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | I suppose second + need more code changes due to dependencies from other parts.. | 20:59 |
| zaneb | if anyone wants to experiment they should be doing it on master | 20:59 |
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| stevebaker | In that case we should probably delete the liberty ci job | 20:59 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: we are saying : it's experimental part | 20:59 |
| shardy | time's up -> #heat | 21:00 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 21:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-02-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-02-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-12-02-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 2 21:02:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:03 |
| notmyname | meetbot? | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | ah, lag on my end or somewhere | 21:03 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:03 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 21:03 |
| jrichli | yo | 21:03 |
| peluse | yo | 21:03 |
| wbhuber | o/ | 21:03 |
| cutforth | o/ Happy Humpday! | 21:03 |
| eranrom | o/ | 21:03 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:03 |
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| ho | o/ | 21:03 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:03 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:03 |
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| pdardeau | o/ | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | cutforth: but its thursday :P | 21:03 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:04 |
| cutforth | mattoliverau: sorry for you | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:04 |
| acoles | hello | 21:04 |
| notmyname | agenda ^ | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | several things to go over this week | 21:04 |
| peluse | mattoliverau: you guys are so wrong down there | 21:04 |
| notmyname | going a little out of order... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | peluse: just stand on your head. makes it easier ;-) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | #topic tracking TODO things | 21:05 |
| * peluse totally gets it now | 21:05 | |
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| mattoliverau | peluse, notmyname: lol | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | I'm just from the future | 21:05 |
| notmyname | there's always been stuff to do that's not exactly been bugs, but also not really been "oh you should make a spec about that" | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | and we've struggled to track it and give people a place to find it | 21:06 |
| blmartin | hi | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I've used https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas in the past. and it's been ok. but not great | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | so new plan! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | (as you'll see on that wiki page) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | track todo items as bugs in launchpad, but mark them with the "wishlist" status | 21:07 |
| notmyname | that way there's one place to find them | 21:07 |
| notmyname | there's an opportunity to have a discussion on them | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | and you (should be) looking at the LP bugs anyway ;-) | 21:07 |
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| jrichli | nice | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so I think it could help unify a workflow (ie remove a wiki page) and give some benefits around discoverability of "what should I work on" | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I can't claim credit for this (IMO very good) idea. it was clayg's idea :-) | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: take the credit | 21:08 |
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| eranrom | +1 I was actually worried you are going to suggest yet another wiki page | 21:09 |
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| clayg | MOAR WIKI! | 21:09 |
| eranrom | I am still collecting them... | 21:09 |
| clayg | nom nom nom | 21:09 |
| notmyname | the last point I'd make about wishlist items: they don't have to be complete or even be a good idea | 21:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: well what *do* we do with the bad ideas tho? | 21:09 |
| peluse | I have some! | 21:09 |
| notmyname | ie just because something has a wishlist bug, doesn't mean (a) you must work on it (b) it's awesome as it's written down | 21:09 |
| clayg | like "swift should deploy it's own rings" - no it shouldn't - that was on purpose | 21:10 |
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| gmmaha | notmyname: clayg: thanks for the idea.. really like making more use of LP | 21:10 |
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| * torgomatic is here but late | 21:10 | |
| notmyname | if there's a bad idea, then that should be mentioned in the comments on that specific item | 21:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: that part makes sense | 21:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: can we *confirm* wishlist items? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | then we can drop it as a "won't fix" or something like that | 21:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: like yup - good one | 21:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh ok - yeah won't fix would be the hammer - i like it | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | nice thinking | 21:11 |
| notmyname | no. bugs aren't confirmed, really. at least there's not "accepted" status like blueprints | 21:11 |
| clayg | sweet - answer is "always file it as a wishlist" - it's simple | 21:11 |
| clayg | no? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:11 |
| clayg | i mean it has a status... | 21:11 |
| notmyname | so maybe as it get's prioritized as "low, mid, high" if someone is working on it? I'm not sure | 21:11 |
| clayg | priority is different from status | 21:12 |
| notmyname | oh right | 21:12 |
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| clayg | I think we can totally use wishlist/new and wishlist/confirmed - and then there's wishlist/won'tfix | 21:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: this is a good plan you had | 21:12 |
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| clayg | dfg: !!! | 21:12 |
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| dfg | hey | 21:12 |
| notmyname | wishlist is a priority too | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | yeah, wishlist/new and wishlist/confirmed is a good idea | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: wishlist is *not* a status - it's *only* a priority | 21:13 |
| notmyname | right | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok - let's give it a shot | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: thanks for pushing up the first batch | 21:13 |
| notmyname | sound reasonable to everyone? any questions or concerns to raise right now on it? | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: is there some useful lauchpad filter links on *the* wiki page? | 21:13 |
| acoles | what does wishlist/confirmed mean? wouldn't we just change from wishlist to low or medium? | 21:13 |
| clayg | acoles: wishlist is lower than lower | 21:14 |
| notmyname | clayg: not that I could find. no short links that would actually not error in LP | 21:14 |
| clayg | lower than low | 21:14 |
| blmartin | do the ideas auto expire after about 5 months of inactivity or something? | 21:14 |
| clayg | notmyname: stupid launchpad | 21:14 |
| clayg | blmartin: what's an "idea" - wishlist bugs won't expire | 21:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: small real bugs would be low. idea to do something would be wishlist. IMO | 21:14 |
| notmyname | blmartin: I'd hope not | 21:14 |
| blmartin | ah sorry, misunderstanding on my part | 21:15 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, but when a wish becomes agreed as a good idea is it confirmed or moved to hi/lo/medium | 21:15 |
| notmyname | acoles: for now, I'd say just move to confirmed and keep as wishlist | 21:15 |
| clayg | acoles: I think wishlist dicussions might eventually be like a precursor to a spec - like one way to close a wishlist is to write a spec? Another way would be to write a patch. | 21:15 |
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| clayg | notmyname: +1 wishlist/confirmed | 21:16 |
| notmyname | blmartin: good question, though. might need to address it if there's some LP janitor that expires stuff. however, seeing as there are bugs listed from 2013, I'm not too worried ;-) | 21:16 |
| clayg | acoles: I mean unless the wishlist item is acctually a low priority bug? | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | I'll write up a short email to the ML about this | 21:16 |
| clayg | then the pritorty gets changed - but's that just because it was misfiled to begin with or we learned something | 21:17 |
| acoles | ignore me, i'm just confused | 21:17 |
| notmyname | next topic! | 21:17 |
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| pdardeau | notmyname: may be helpful to have examples of what would be items for wishlist? | 21:17 |
| clayg | acoles: for me this started when intel started having people write unittests for swift and I remember how janky some of our old test code is | 21:17 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: check to see what's there now :-) | 21:17 |
| clayg | acoles: I wanted to write down "module abc should work like xyz" and then never do anything about it | 21:17 |
| clayg | it's not a bug | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #opic patches -- ring change | 21:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: did I already kudos the inital population?! | 21:18 |
| clayg | kudos | 21:18 |
| notmyname | patch 241571 | 21:18 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241571/ - Put part-replicas where they go | 21:18 |
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| clayg | cschwede: thanks for the update | 21:18 |
| acoles | clayg: right. | 21:18 |
| clayg | hurricanerix: dfg: what's the word? | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: you typo-ed topic | 21:19 |
| hurricanerix | clayg still playing with it, was off most of last week, and, you know, ring code... =) | 21:19 |
| cschwede | clayg: yw! hope to add my +2 soon | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #topic patches -- ring change | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patches -- ring change (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:19 | |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: acoles has a bloke doing some testing that *may* have an issue with zero-weight devices not being agressive enough at sheading parts - it's not entirely clear tho - and it may not be so critical - it depends on how many parts are being left behind and why - removing the device always reassigns | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yeah, I saw that. lorcan | 21:19 |
| clayg | cschwede: even if you +2 I might say leave off the +A | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so I'm hoping you'll get his ring and find what it is | 21:20 |
| clayg | cschwede: it'd be nice to have feedback from hurricanerix and maybe this lorcan fellow - or kota_ mattoliverau whoever | 21:20 |
| clayg | more eyes the better on something like this I'd say! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yeah. if you add a +2, ;et's hear from rax and hp before +A | 21:20 |
| cschwede | clayg: that was my idea as well, to get a broader view on this | 21:20 |
| clayg | but... it's a terrible bug - we should totally close it - we've got working code | 21:20 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 | 21:20 |
| clayg | well... "working" - at least some people think it's not terrible - it WOMM | 21:20 |
| notmyname | clayg: I think we should have a goal of having it landed by the next meeting | 21:20 |
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| clayg | glange: !!! | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | RAX has been looking (or said they're looking! ;-) for a few weeks now. looks like we'll see lorcan's (HP) status soon | 21:21 |
| clayg | ok great that was fun | 21:21 |
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| clayg | love to have it shutdown by next week - maybe put the merge hammer down if we make it to next Wednesday? Anyone need more time than that? I'm sure we'd love to close it ASAP | 21:22 |
| notmyname | and it's demonstrably better than master today. so let's get it landed soon unless something unexpected shows up | 21:22 |
| dfg | clayg: we've run some normal operations on our rings through it and they've looked fine. i'm going to try to get one of our ops guys to check it out. | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | dfg: nice! | 21:22 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname sorry, i am slow, and i have never messed with the rings before. so i am kinda taking my time to make sure i do it right. =) | 21:22 |
| clayg | ... but i'm not sure exactly what the hard requirement is - other than I really need to get started on packaging and get it shipped | 21:22 |
| dfg | but ya- you should prob just set a deadline. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | dfg: could you add a short comment in gerrit saying that? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok. deadline is next tuesday! | 21:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's in irc logs now - we can copy paste it | 21:22 |
| dfg | you know know what waiting on us is like :p | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #agreed (by fiat) merge this by next tuesday | 21:23 |
| clayg | hurricanerix: dfg: np, thanks for the help | 21:23 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic testr change | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | patch 214206 | 21:24 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214206/ - Modify functional tests to use testr | 21:24 |
| hurricanerix | yay... | 21:24 |
| clayg | hurricanerix: yay! | 21:24 |
| notmyname | another "why hasn't this landed yet?" ;-) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | last Iheard, the concurrency stuff has causing an issue | 21:24 |
| notmyname | gmmaha: uploaded a new patch set | 21:24 |
| peluse | hmmm, it WFM now | 21:25 |
| notmyname | oh, mattoliverau did the last one :-) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | currently failing in the gate, though. mattoliverau or gmmaha any info on that? | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | so the concurrency fix is letting it pass func tests on an SAIO | 21:25 |
| gmmaha | +1 on mattoliverau comments | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | but when in-prcoess, it hangs at the end of the account func tests | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | that's whats failing in the gate. | 21:26 |
| gmmaha | havent checked the Ci failure.. can do that now | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | I started debuggung it yes arvo, but still haven't figured out why. | 21:26 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks for looking | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | I even had a quick look at what the ironic guy said about os-testr, same issue. so debugging tests now. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: anything you need from anyone else? | 21:27 |
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| mattoliverau | I'll poke people if I totally fail today :) | 21:27 |
| acoles | are we still in doubt why concurrency needs to be 1 - there's a TBD in a comment on that? | 21:27 |
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| acoles | seemed to me that it was to do with state being setup by tests | 21:28 |
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| clayg | acoles: seems like merging the infra changes and making it run faster should be orthogonal | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: I don't know how testr splits things, we might be reusing account names or something | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | step 1, lets get it to work | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yes! | 21:29 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: we do reuse accounts, thats the point | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok, mattoliverau will save us on this one. and gmmaha is looking too? | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | lol, we'll I'll continue where I left off yest.. anyone else is welcome to look too :) | 21:29 |
| gmmaha | notmyname: yes, i will assist mattoliverau in anyway i can | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | gmmaha: thanks man | 21:30 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: which is why i think concurrency must be 1 | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok, good | 21:30 |
| notmyname | thanks for looking at it | 21:30 |
| gmmaha | mattoliverau: my pleasure | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | ok, last small patch topic (I think) before the 2 bigger ones | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | #topic pyeclib updates | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | tsg not here | 21:31 |
| notmyname | but i think I jsut saw somethign land | 21:31 |
| notmyname | in -infra | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | so progress is being made there | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | mostly I wanted to check if there was any blocker from our end | 21:31 |
| tsg | o/ | 21:31 |
| notmyname | tsg: yo | 21:31 |
| clayg | tsg: !!! | 21:31 |
| notmyname | current status? any blockers on our end for pyeclib updates? | 21:32 |
| tsg | hey guys | 21:32 |
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| tsg | so after a long huddle with -infra folks, we were able to get liberasurecode-dev installed by default on the CI slaves | 21:33 |
| tsg | the changes merged just an hour ago | 21:33 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:33 |
| wbhuber | tsg: whoo! | 21:33 |
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| peluse | rock n roll! | 21:33 |
| notmyname | this means the >=1.0.7 patch can land? | 21:33 |
| tsg | yep | 21:33 |
| notmyname | nice | 21:33 |
| notmyname | then we've got to land a >=1.1.1 one, right? | 21:34 |
| tsg | it unblocks us to get pyeclib 1.2 upstream with no liberasurecode integrated | 21:34 |
| notmyname | oh. 1.2 now :-) | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | so we'll jump from 1.0.7 to 1.2? | 21:34 |
| peluse | its a mad mad mad world | 21:34 |
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| tsg | yes, next step is to land >=1.0.7, then update GR with >=1.2, and update swift req to that rev | 21:34 |
| notmyname | good | 21:34 |
| tsg | we can make it 1.1.2 :-) | 21:34 |
| timburke | will this fix the ImportError in the py34 gate? http://logs.openstack.org/12/232712/3/check/gate-swift-python34/d401741/console.html#_2015-11-30_09_55_39_874 | 21:35 |
| tsg | but removing liberasurecode integration is a change! | 21:35 |
| notmyname | IMo make it whatever the lates is | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | timburke: yes, it unblocks some py3 stuff too | 21:35 |
| tsg | yep | 21:35 |
| timburke | sweet | 21:35 |
| tsg | this will move things for the work haypo has been pushing for | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok, then when we get the version updated in swift, we can do the thigns necessary to move pyeclib to the openstack namespace, which willlet more people help tsg out with getting releases done | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | so progress! | 21:36 |
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| tsg | yep, progress for sure! | 21:36 |
| clayg | every release is a little better than the next | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok, that's great | 21:36 |
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| tsg | and thanks to lifeless, clarkb etc on -infra for putting up with my persistent pestering ;) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: it's because the numbers keep going up. you know that 1.2 is better than 1.1 because it's one bigger | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's not what I said - but ok | 21:36 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | tsg: thanks for beign dogged about it. and thanks to -infra for helping getting it done :-) | 21:37 |
| tsg | notmyname, clayg: 1.1.x will continue to work if that matters at all | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | ok, I think that's good on status update patches. now a couple that are kinda significant IMO | 21:38 |
| tsg | notmyname: I will get Kevin on the next meeting so we can discuss the openstack namespace migration | 21:38 |
| notmyname | great | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #topic quoted etag patch | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | patch 250145 | 21:38 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250145/ - Unquote etag value in getting SLO/DLO | 21:38 |
| notmyname | normal object don't quote etag values | 21:38 |
| notmyname | the spec says to quote them | 21:38 |
| notmyname | we don't because at one point long ago it broke clients | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | but *LOs quote etags | 21:39 |
| clayg | stupid etags | 21:39 |
| notmyname | so we're inconsistent with ourself | 21:39 |
| torgomatic | therefore the broken clients don't use large objects | 21:39 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: or maybe learned to handle it | 21:39 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I wouldn't count on it | 21:39 |
| notmyname | this patch proposes a change to resolve the internal inconsistency | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: nope nope nope | 21:39 |
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| clayg | if you have one thing that follows spec you don't break backwards compat to be ... was this just a "call in the -2's" | 21:40 |
| clayg | ... or am I misunderstanding | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | well, actually, I'm curious if we can resolve it by adding quotes to normal objects at this point | 21:41 |
| notmyname | I'd generally be against it because we've seen this sort of thing break clients. but I have no recent data | 21:41 |
| mattoliverau | but does that break our api? well existing clients out there anyway? | 21:41 |
| mattoliverau | how long have we been quoting *LOs? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: always | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | right | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: well then there you go! | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | ok | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: I don't think we can quote etags | 21:42 |
| notmyname | we've changed one or two things in the past to make them more conformant with the http spec | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: not in v1 api anyway | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: ... and had to revert them? | 21:42 |
| dfg | we can't add the quote- it would break a bunch of our customers | 21:42 |
| notmyname | but there's also been a few places we haven't because it broke stuff | 21:42 |
| notmyname | dfg: yeah, IIRC it was cloud files users/clients that broke | 21:43 |
| dfg | ya | 21:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: I only remember the ones where we didn't because it broke stuff | 21:43 |
| torgomatic | maybe we can make a couple public cloud providers turn on etag quoting and see who squawks /s | 21:43 |
| notmyname | eg we also havne't "fixed" timestamp timezones, ETag vs Etag | 21:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: tbf cloud files *noticed* it (and also were the ones that changed it) | 21:43 |
| clayg | we all learned our lesson together | 21:43 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:43 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname wasn't there a draft for a /v2 that had all this stuff on it? | 21:43 |
| torgomatic | to be pedantic, timestamp timezones are something we do wrong; ETag/Etag is something clients do wrong | 21:43 |
| clayg | hurricanerix: fuck yeah! api /v1.1 is the only hope! | 21:43 |
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| peluse | hey now, isn't this a "family project"? :) | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | I just wish I had better info on who or what actually breaks when we start following the http spec closer | 21:44 |
| timburke | side note: if we really want to adhere to the spec (and probably break some clients), i suppose the etag for DLOs that have more segments than fit in a container listing really ought to be W/"d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e" | 21:45 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname people who wrote custom code that expects things to look exactly like they do. =) | 21:45 |
| dfg | notmyname: we have the saem big client we used to that are still runnign the same they were 5 years ago :) | 21:45 |
| dfg | big clients | 21:45 |
| cschwede | notmyname: unfortunately we will know about all users only afterwards :/ | 21:46 |
| notmyname | dfg: I held out some small hope that the introduction of *LOs might make them learn how to etag properly ;-) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yeah. fun. | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ok. done | 21:46 |
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| dfg | notmyname: thats a pretty small hope :p | 21:46 |
| notmyname | dfg: I'm idealistic ;-) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | I can go -2 that patch if one of you doesn't do it first | 21:46 |
| dfg | more of a hop | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | ok, next topic | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #topic entrypoints patch | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | patch 206105 | 21:47 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206105/ - Use entrypoints for storage policy implementation ... | 21:47 |
| clayg | dfg: hop? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | basically this loads object controller, diskfile, and policy classes from entry points | 21:48 |
| notmyname | it's interesting, I think | 21:48 |
| clayg | notmyname: i like this one in theory - i don't understand people that think entrypoints will bring doom and destruction - it's just a better way to load shit than monkey patching! | 21:48 |
| notmyname | yeah, I like it in theory too | 21:48 |
| * clayg hasn't looked at the implementation at all - i may have tons of tactical grief - but I like it in theory | 21:48 | |
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| notmyname | in part because it makes known use cases in the existing ecosystem easier | 21:48 |
| notmyname | however, torgomatic has a *really* good point that this gets us a lot closer to actually having to more formally support this internal API | 21:49 |
| notmyname | (and that the current abstractions, especially diskfile, aren't the right things to make plugable) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | so i think this one needs some review from a varied audience and more than jsut 2 +2s | 21:50 |
| notmyname | so this is a call for reviews on it | 21:50 |
| notmyname | unless there is a specific thing to bring up here and now on it | 21:51 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ? | 21:51 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's fair - but torgomatic and I disagree - a) we can change whatever we want - let 'em belly ache b) the only problem in computer science that *can't* be solved by another level of abstraction is too-many-abstractions and three is not too many - when we have 18 and more docs than base-classes we can bitch about how it's hard to get started with the plugins and have a whiteboard session to make it simpler, bum | 21:52 |
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| clayg | notmyname: ok, so if we have time we should look at entrypoints and it should take more +2's than normal - so it's not going anywhere anytime soon | 21:53 |
| notmyname | yeah, I think there will be valid disagreements and arguments on both sides. this is more of a "strategy" change in the patch than the actual technical changes, and I want to make sure we the community are ok with it | 21:53 |
| notmyname | right | 21:53 |
| clayg | notmyname: I just want to make sure the actual technical changes are good - anything is better than monkey patching | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | ok, last topic (looking at the time) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | #topic next swiftclient release | 21:54 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I've had to write code that interfaces with swift - we all want entrypoints - for sure | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | just this morning patch 252308 landed | 21:54 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252308/ - Remove py26 support from swiftclient (MERGED) | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | so there is no more py26 testing | 21:54 |
| clayg | whoa | 21:54 |
| notmyname | (meta comment, it sure is nice than -infra patches take about 8 minutes to land instead of hours/days for ours!) | 21:54 |
| clayg | {'cool': True for v in python_versions if v >= 2.7} | 21:55 |
| notmyname | so I propose that we tag what's HEAD of master now and release it as swiftclient 2.6.1 | 21:55 |
| notmyname | if there is any other patch that has not landed, it must be very very special and it must have a "I've personally run this on py26 and it works" from a core reviewer | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: so we *just* dropped 2.6 support - so push that out to everyone? when was the last release that supported 2.6 then? | 21:56 |
| clayg | oh oh wait | 21:56 |
| notmyname | clayg: currently, all releases of swiftclient support py26 | 21:56 |
| notmyname | I'd say this would be the last one | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: so that will be the last to support it | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | so makes sense to me | 21:56 |
| notmyname | I'd say draw the line in the sand right where we are and call py26 done | 21:56 |
| notmyname | and going forward we are py27,py3 only | 21:57 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:57 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok perfect | 21:57 |
| torgomatic | works for me | 21:57 |
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| kota_ | +1 | 21:58 |
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| timburke | no objections here | 21:58 |
| notmyname | kk. thanks | 21:58 |
| acoles | did timburke or joel have anything pressing to merge first? other wise I am +1 | 21:58 |
| notmyname | I'll work on that over the next 24 hours | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | I think we're out of time | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | only other this was to say I'll look for swift patches for a release there, but we've got a few big ones still outstanding we all want, i think (like rings) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming today | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for your work on swift. you make the code and the community awesome | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 22:00:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-02-21.02.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-02-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-12-02-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
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