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| thinrichs | Time for the congress meeting. | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 00:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi all! | 00:01 |
| masahito | Hi! | 00:01 |
| 43UAC07HU | hi | 00:01 |
| RuiChen | hi | 00:01 |
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| pballand | hi | 00:02 |
| ramineni | hi | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Here's my agenda today: several short items… | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | Liberty, Kilo, Stable maintenance team,… | 00:03 |
| shelleea007 | hi | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | Tokyo summit, master, devstack plugin, ... | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | status updates | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:04 |
| su_zhang | hi | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | Okay, then let's get started. | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | #topic Liberty | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | We officially released liberty today. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | Congratulations everyone! | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | Using the new semantic versioning, we're at 2.0.0 | 00:05 |
| RuiChen | awesome! | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | You can see a pretty graph of the series and milestones here: | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | #link https://launchpad.net/congress | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | This release we cut the stable branch from master earlier than was convenient … | 00:08 |
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| thinrichs | so that we could continue aggressively developing the distributed architecture. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | That means that we had to backport changes from master to the stable branch moreso than we would typically like. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | But it wasn't too bad. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Does anyone have any comments/suggestions about improving the release process, or about the liberty cycle in general? | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | Feel free to drop me emails or post to the mailing list if anything comes to mind. | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | #topic Kilo | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: did you get a chance to look into kilo (you had volunteered, correct?)? | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | Sorry—I dropped off there for a second. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: you there? | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | Maybe we'll come back to kilo. | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | #topic Tokyo | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | I posted a tentative schedule for Tokyo. | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | masahito: could you reach out to the OPNFV people to check if that schedule works? | 00:14 |
| masahito | thinrichs: sure | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | How does the schedule look to everyone? | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | masahito: thanks | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs | Ping me if you have suggestions for schedule changes then. | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | #topic Stable maintenance team | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | Just a reminder: it'd be good to have a couple of people belong to the stable maintenance team. | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | These people will be responsible for keeping the stable branches in shape. | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | I'd imagine it'll be low work for us. | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | masahito already volunteered. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | masahito: thanks! | 00:17 |
| masahito | thinrichs: no problem. | 00:17 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: i can also take it up | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: Great! | 00:18 |
| RuiChen | I would like to be a volunteer | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | RuiChen: Fantastic! | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | That's probably enough. I don't think there'll be a ton of work. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | Of course, anyone who is super-excited can help out as well. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | #topic master | 00:19 |
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| thinrichs | master was blocked for a couple of days. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | It was a group effort to get it unblocked: zhenzan, yingxin, and ekcs all worked on it | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | I think all the weird -1s from both python27 and devstack should be gone now. | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | So if you've got errors at this point, they're probably legit | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | #topic devstack plugin | 00:22 |
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| thinrichs | We have a plugin for devstack now in review. | 00:22 |
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| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233347/ | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | This is great! Remember that without it all our gating devstack tests will break at M1 | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | Let's all make sure to review the code and help venkatamahesh get it in place | 00:23 |
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| thinrichs | I think that's it for me. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | We finally have time to spend some time with status updates. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | #topic Status | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | Going down the list of people I see who have changes in review… | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: what have you been working on recently? | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | I’m investigating whether we can migrate to antlr4 | 00:25 |
| ekcs | comparing that with manually fixing antlr3 generated code for py3 compatibility. | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | antlr4 generates python3 code? | 00:26 |
| ekcs | yes. | 00:26 |
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| su_zhang | what's current topic/ | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Have you doubled-checked whether the generated code runs without the antlr3 infrastructure? | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: Status updates | 00:27 |
| su_zhang | cool | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: meaning: would it be safe to completely remove antlr3 from the repo and just check in the code it generates? | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | Still figuring that out. I think we’d then need to use antlr4 runtime in place of antlr3 runtime. the basic architecture hasn’t changed. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | generating some code that relies on antlr runtime. | 00:28 |
| RuiChen | ekcs: antlr4 is fully compatible with antlr3? | 00:29 |
| ekcs | no, but I think for the features we’re using it’ll work without major changes. still investigating. | 00:29 |
| ekcs | ie, take essentially the same grammar and let antlr4 generate parser and lexer from it. | 00:30 |
| su_zhang | nice. what's the advantage of adopting antlr4 for congress? | 00:30 |
| ramineni | su_zhang: its for python3 compatibility for now | 00:30 |
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| ekcs | 1. the generated code is py3. 2. antlr3 no longer supported. (may not matter to us) | 00:31 |
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| su_zhang | that's important | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | One problem: according to the docs antlr4 can generate py3 code OR py2 code. the not the same code. I’ll need to do some testing to figure out if we can get compatibility with both at the same time. | 00:31 |
| ekcs | if not, may need to do some conditional code based on version. | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: Thanks for the update. Let us know if you need anything from us. It'd be great to finish off the antlr3 compatibility. | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: I don't think OpenStack is going to be backwards compatible with python2 anyway. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | ok | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: want to give a status update? | 00:33 |
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| alexsyip | Working on policy and rule synchronization. | 00:33 |
| su_zhang | I am working on a datasource_driver of cmdb for congress | 00:34 |
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| thinrichs | alexsyip: I didn't manage to review your changes today. | 00:34 |
| su_zhang | this is the cmdb https://github.com/eBay/YiDB/wiki | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | I'll get to it tomorrow hopefully. | 00:34 |
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| alexsyip | Therey’re not ready yet. | 00:35 |
| su_zhang | can we make auth_url as an optional argument for congress datasource? | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: got it. | 00:35 |
| su_zhang | some of the drivers do not need it. | 00:35 |
| su_zhang | for example, the one I am working on | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: if you think about it, could you mark them as WIP (-1 on Workflow) so we don't review before they're ready? | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: all the config options can be changed by each datasource driver. | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: are you asking if auth_url can be made optional by default for all the drivers? | 00:37 |
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| su_zhang | okay, you mean by default it is required. but I can make it optional within my our driver, right? | 00:37 |
| alexsyip | thinrichs: done | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: yep | 00:37 |
| su_zhang | do you know where to make the change? I am still learning. | 00:37 |
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| su_zhang | I can use a faked url to get it around and it works fine | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: just override (or change) the get_datasource_info method for your driver. | 00:38 |
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| su_zhang | okay i will look into it | 00:38 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: anything else for your status update? | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: thanks! | 00:39 |
| su_zhang | I am working on setting up security group management in the demo VM | 00:39 |
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| su_zhang | but I am swamped recently | 00:39 |
| su_zhang | still in progress | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: great! I never heard what exactly happened with the demo VM. Do you know? | 00:40 |
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| su_zhang | it works fine for me. but I cannot launch horizon | 00:40 |
| su_zhang | http://paloaltan.net/Congress/Congress_Usecases_Sept_25_2015.ova | 00:41 |
| su_zhang | this is the url | 00:41 |
| su_zhang | given by Shiv | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | Thanks. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: want to do a status update? | 00:41 |
| ramineni | i had initial patch up for review for row_model | 00:42 |
| ramineni | thinrichs: just saw some comments , will have a look at them today | 00:42 |
| su_zhang | I am thinking of hooking up https://github.com/ikeydoherty/cve-check-tool with congress. any thoughts? sorry about the interruption | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: sounds good | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: I don't know anything about it. I'd say we want to only have drivers for actively maintained projects. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: That said, having a CVE datasource sounds really useful. | 00:44 |
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| su_zhang | okay, because the vulnerability/patch management has been mentioned in the several times in the usecase doc | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: How does it know what scans to make? | 00:44 |
| su_zhang | I think it worth sometime of getting that done | 00:44 |
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| su_zhang | it check specs against national vulnerability database to locate known vulnerabilities within the target machine | 00:45 |
| shelleea007 | i'd be interested in assisting with that type of thing | 00:45 |
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| su_zhang | based on the scan info, we can further decide to patch or not depending on its severity and patch cost. | 00:46 |
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| su_zhang | shelleea007: did you mean vulnerability scan? | 00:46 |
| shelleea007 | yes | 00:46 |
| su_zhang | I will let you guys know my progress | 00:46 |
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| shelleea007 | anything having to do with security is interesting to me | 00:47 |
| su_zhang | thinrichs: btw, you mentioned someone has already been looking into mistral. May I have his contact? | 00:47 |
| su_zhang | shelleea007: glad to hear that. it seems like we share same interest. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: no one I know of worked on hooking mistral up directly to Congress. | 00:48 |
| su_zhang | shelleea007: let me know whenever you have thoughts of applying security stuff with congress | 00:48 |
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| su_zhang | thinrichs: okay | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: but the HP team that integrated murano and congress hooked up mistral to murano as well, I believe.talked about hooking up murano | 00:48 |
| su_zhang | thinrichs: do you know who is the contact person? | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: ping me offline and I'll try to dig up the contact info | 00:49 |
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| shelleea007 | i will, right now I am trying to get a feel for it and see how it operates first as I am still somewhat new to Congress | 00:49 |
| su_zhang | thinrichs: okay | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | shelleea007: one thing you could do is try out the Use Case VM that we're working on. | 00:50 |
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| su_zhang | did you guys watch this? http://content.mirantis.com/Whats-New-In-OpenStack-Liberty-Thank-You-Page.html?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonvqnJZKXonjHpfsX77ewtXLHr08Yy0EZ5VunJEUWy2YEISdQ%2FcOedCQkZHblFnVgNS62nXrkNq60I | 00:50 |
| su_zhang | congress is highly recommended by mirantis | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | shelleea007: it might get you up and running quickly, and you could give us feedback about how to improve it. | 00:50 |
| shelleea007 | thinrichs: ok, where can I find that? | 00:50 |
| su_zhang | which is a great news! | 00:50 |
| shelleea007 | ok, definately | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: I hadn't seen that. Am now listening to it in the background :) | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | pballand: how's the DSE node work coming? | 00:51 |
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| su_zhang | shelleea007: if possible, let us know if you can lanuch horizon smoothly and how? | 00:51 |
| su_zhang | thinrichs: nice | 00:51 |
| pballand | still working on setting up testing/examples using the oslo.messaging ‘fake’ driver | 00:52 |
| pballand | seems there’s a bug in broadcast delivery inside the fake driver, but still narrowing it down | 00:52 |
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| shelleea007 | alright, I will take a look at that in the next few days and take some notes on what I see | 00:53 |
| su_zhang | thinrichs: you can start from 43:38 | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | pballand: sounds good | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: thanks | 00:53 |
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| pballand | once the test code works standalone (without setting up rabbit or another message service), I think we will be in pretty good shape for the summit | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | 7 minutes left.. | 00:53 |
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| su_zhang | one more thing | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: you mean we'll be able to merge your DSENode, and get everything working before actually turining out rabbit, etc.? | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | For example | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | P(a, b): - A(a, c), B(b, c). | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | How can I ensure 'a' and 'b' are different? | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | Does this policy already imply that they are different? | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | s/out/on | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | Or I need to explicitly indicate that they are different? If so, then how can I do that? | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | sry.. | 00:55 |
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| pballand | thinrichs: without turning on rabbit, we can only communicate within process, so it will only work for test cases | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: use 'not eq(a, b)' in the body | 00:55 |
| su_zhang | thinrichs: thanks | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | pballand: so we can get all the unit tests working. Cool! | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | 4 minutes left. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | Anyone else want to give a status update, or discuss anything else? | 00:57 |
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| RuiChen | thinrichs: su_zhang: I think it should be not equal(a,b) :-) | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | RuiChen: I always forget the actual builtin name. Thanks! | 00:58 |
| su_zhang | thanks | 00:59 |
| RuiChen | welcome | 00:59 |
| su_zhang | have you guys seen this? https://blogs.aws.amazon.com/security/post/Tx2XKTVE4JWD0F9/New-Security-Services-Launched-at-AWS-re-Invent-2015-Amazon-Inspector-AWS-WAF-an | 00:59 |
| su_zhang | with congress, we can have the same service | 00:59 |
| su_zhang | more importantly, it will be FREE!!!! | 01:00 |
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| shelleea007 | +1 | 01:00 |
| su_zhang | :) | 01:00 |
| RuiChen | no special thing from me in this week, do some review and discuss with su_zhang about security group use case. | 01:00 |
| RuiChen | update status | 01:00 |
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| su_zhang | RuiChen: thanks for reviewing my use case | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Notice that ConfigRules is like Congress but uses Lambda functions instead of Datalog. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | We're over time. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 01:01:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-10-15-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-10-15-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-10-15-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
| su_zhang | got u | 01:01 |
| RuiChen | su_zhang: thank you for sharing it :-) | 01:02 |
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| su_zhang | RuiChen: my pleasure | 01:04 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 09:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
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| oomichi | who's here for today's meeting | 09:01 |
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| gmann | o/ | 09:01 |
| jordanP | hey | 09:01 |
| shuquan | hi guys | 09:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 09:01 |
| oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_October_15th_2015_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:01 |
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| oomichi | ^^^ today agenda | 09:01 |
| oomichi | Ok, let's get started | 09:02 |
| oomichi | #topic Mitaka Summit Prep | 09:02 |
| dmellado | hi guys o/ | 09:02 |
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| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-summit-topics | 09:03 |
| oomichi | we have proposals for our design sessions | 09:03 |
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| oomichi | and we need to select sessions | 09:03 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish is choosing them now | 09:04 |
| gmann | yea | 09:04 |
| jordanP | oomichi, do we need to select or we can have them all ? | 09:04 |
| oomichi | Fishbowls are full now | 09:04 |
| oomichi | jordanP: maybe we can select sessions for Work Rooms | 09:05 |
| dmellado | oomichi: in the etherpad , how about the 1st fishbowl? is that a typo? | 09:05 |
| dmellado | or it'll be filled by another topic | 09:05 |
| oomichi | dmellado: oops, yeah I am not sure that :( | 09:05 |
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| andreaf | oomichi, dmellado: think there are 4 fishbows, so one is not assigned | 09:06 |
| oomichi | andreaf: ah, maybe that is right | 09:07 |
| shuquan | Is Fishbowl name of room?? | 09:07 |
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| gmann | I think if any session did not get room then we have last day full | 09:07 |
| oomichi | we can select them by writting name on "interested" | 09:07 |
| andreaf | oomichi, dmellado: more people attends the fishbowls, so I guess mtreinish needs to select the topic suitable for that | 09:07 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 09:07 |
| andreaf | shuquan: it's the type of session | 09:07 |
| dmellado | andreaf: ty for the explanation | 09:08 |
| andreaf | shuquan: in fishbowl sessions there is a presenter in a ~larger room | 09:08 |
| shuquan | oh, i see | 09:08 |
| shuquan | andreaf: thanks. | 09:08 |
| oomichi | yeah, fishblowl is like https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=fishbowl+room&safe=off&hl=ja&biw=1276&bih=520&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIr5O6opDEyAIVQp6mCh0tLgpW | 09:08 |
| andreaf | the work sessions are moderated by one person still, but usually everyone sits at the same table | 09:08 |
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| oomichi | most sessions which are proposed are available on summit | 09:10 |
| oomichi | by numbers of room and proposal | 09:10 |
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| oomichi | ok does anyone have anything to discuss on this topic? | 09:11 |
| dmellado | andreaf: quick question, for the existing resources session would you address also the account creation? aka accounts.yaml | 09:11 |
| dmellado | ? | 09:11 |
| dmellado | that'd be also nice | 09:11 |
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| andreaf | dmellado: in what sense? | 09:12 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: I was thinking into something for addressing the mapping between accounts and resources | 09:13 |
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| dmellado | just an idea, anyway | 09:13 |
| andreaf | dmellado: yes I was thinking we could have a common interface in the tests to access global, access wide and tenant wide resources | 09:13 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: ack, that'd be great | 09:14 |
| andreaf | dmellado: but at this stage it's just a vague idea, I only added a sentence about it in the spec | 09:14 |
| dmellado | I'll take a look and add comments ;) | 09:14 |
| andreaf | dmellado: thanks - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ | 09:14 |
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| oomichi | ok, let's move on | 09:15 |
| oomichi | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:15 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:15 |
| jordanP | about "Restructure Scenarios" | 09:16 |
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| jordanP | so I was suppose to respin this spec | 09:16 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, please go ahead | 09:16 |
| jordanP | but I have no optimal idea on what to do yet so my plan is | 09:16 |
| dmellado | jordanP: yep, I thought we might want to discuss that | 09:16 |
| jordanP | to cleanup scenarios gradually | 09:16 |
| jordanP | mriedem and I started to remove uneeded class variable | 09:17 |
| andreaf | jordanP: I saw you started a series of patches to decouple scenario method | 09:17 |
| jordanP | to use local vars instead | 09:17 |
| jordanP | andreaf, yes | 09:17 |
| jordanP | I'll continue on that and then | 09:17 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yes that's useful if we want to create a library of helper methods for scenario tests or so | 09:17 |
| jordanP | I want to remove code duplication | 09:17 |
| jordanP | like there's 6 "boot_server" method | 09:17 |
| gmann | jordanP: yea, that will be nice | 09:18 |
| oomichi | jordanP: + | 09:18 |
| dmellado | having a common lib for all scenario tests | 09:18 |
| jordanP | everything should be in manager.py and it should have only one method | 09:18 |
| dmellado | will be great | 09:18 |
| dmellado | because there are quite some code embedded in the tests themselves | 09:18 |
| dmellado | jordanP: +1 | 09:18 |
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| jordanP | then maybe make some methods static | 09:18 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yes we already create one which is meant to be common to API and scenario tests, but it's not applied to scenario tests yet | 09:18 |
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| jordanP | so my general plan is to improve all this gradually :) | 09:18 |
| jordanP | no spec then :) | 09:19 |
| jordanP | most of this is general good practise | 09:19 |
| oomichi | jordanP: so that mean necessary spec | 09:19 |
| gmann | jordanP: do you link those together for review? | 09:19 |
| andreaf | jordanP: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/common/compute.py#n30 | 09:19 |
| gmann | jordanP: with common topic etc | 09:19 |
| dmellado | jordanP: I guess we should write a spec, or maybe modify that | 09:19 |
| dmellado | in order to have those 'common sense' rules applied xD | 09:19 |
| oomichi | that seems cleanup thing, and it is fine to go forward without spec | 09:19 |
| jordanP | yeah, it's mostly cleaning and it should not be controversial | 09:20 |
| dmellado | but oomichi jordanP how about the common methods? | 09:20 |
| jordanP | common methods for now, should be in manager.py | 09:20 |
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| jordanP | as a first small step | 09:20 |
| dmellado | jordanP: so basically you suggest some cleanup from the code at least at first | 09:21 |
| jordanP | if we remove instance variable and side effects, reasoning about that manager.py should be way easier | 09:21 |
| jordanP | ad then maybe use tempest/common. but latter | 09:21 |
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| dmellado | +1 on that | 09:21 |
| oomichi | yeah, +1 | 09:21 |
| dmellado | do you want to add any action for that for now? | 09:22 |
| jordanP | gmann, no common topic. i forgot about that. i will | 09:22 |
| gmann | jordanP: Thanks, it will quick to review those | 09:22 |
| jordanP | I am going to continue my effort on "remove instance variables" | 09:22 |
| jordanP | then I'll start a "remove methods duplication" work | 09:22 |
| jordanP | and then we will see what we have and what should be the next move | 09:23 |
| dmellado | jordanP: I'll take a look at that too, so let's sync later after the meeting ;) | 09:23 |
| gmann | +1 | 09:23 |
| jordanP | great | 09:24 |
| oomichi | cool | 09:24 |
| oomichi | does anyone have anything to discuss on this topic? | 09:24 |
| oomichi | about qa-spec | 09:24 |
| andreaf | oomichi: I have a couple of specs | 09:24 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: please :) | 09:24 |
| andreaf | oomichi: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/ | 09:24 |
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| andreaf | this is the test resources once - I revamped and added some more ideas, so it would be great to get some feedback on it | 09:25 |
| andreaf | it's going to be discussed at the summit so the more idea / comments the better | 09:26 |
| oomichi | yeah, nice to get more ideas before the summit for productivity | 09:26 |
| dmellado | I'll take a look at it | 09:26 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: I didn't read this yeat, can you introduce small overview? | 09:27 |
| andreaf | the main ideas are: cleanup tempest.conf of any configuration which requires a running cloud (e..g image_id), have a resources.yaml file to specify test resources and their properties, and allow test to run against multiple resources (i.e. testscenarios) | 09:27 |
| jordanP | aren't we replacing a big tempest.conf by a big resources.yaml ? | 09:28 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: what I was thinking also was about to use the accounts.yaml to track who belongs the resources (maybe using the tag) so we'd be able to feed that to the cleanup script. I'll give it a thought into how to combine the efforts | 09:28 |
| andreaf | jordanP: tempest.conf will keep the list of services active / non-active, available extensions, timeouts, log paths etc | 09:28 |
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| jordanP | this work is huge, basically we could have to add 1 or 2 tags to each test and rewrite some tests also,no ? | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: "run against multiple resources" you means running multiple instance of tempest with separate resource file ? | 09:29 |
| jordanP | gmann, like running this specific test with a Cirros image and an Ubuntu image | 09:29 |
| andreaf | gmann: I mean a test could run multiple time against a matrix of input configurations, e.g. all the images and flavours | 09:29 |
| gmann | yea | 09:30 |
| dmellado | mmm that'd be quite useful | 09:30 |
| andreaf | gmann: I use that a lot for instance to test guest images in public clouds and distributions | 09:30 |
| gmann | ohhk | 09:30 |
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| andreaf | one problem with that though is the test uuid - we would have one uuid for what could be considered as multiple tests | 09:31 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: these combinations are selected randomly during test operation? | 09:31 |
| gmann | andreaf: for that how about adding resource info as metadata with tests | 09:31 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: the idea is to have filters on resources, so the combinations are of all parameters passing the filters | 09:32 |
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| andreaf | so all images matching "ssh-able" with all flavours matching "smaller than X in disk size" for instance | 09:32 |
| oomichi | andreaf: cool idea :) | 09:32 |
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| dmellado | 979558 | 09:32 |
| dmellado | 790613 | 09:33 |
| dmellado | sorry guys | 09:33 |
| andreaf | dmellado: credit card details? :D | 09:33 |
| dmellado | 825111 | 09:33 |
| dmellado | nope | 09:33 |
| jordanP | :D | 09:33 |
| dmellado | luckily xD | 09:33 |
| gmann | heh | 09:33 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: if there's nothing else on this spec, I have another one | 09:34 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: thanks for explanation, I'd like to see it deeply later | 09:34 |
| oomichi | andreaf: please | 09:34 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: for openstack-health #link https://review.openstack.org/233187 | 09:34 |
| andreaf | the idea is to formalise a bit the work which is already being done on openstack-health | 09:35 |
| dmellado | is there any kind of roadmap to go with openstack-health? | 09:35 |
| andreaf | but it would be nice to get everyone involved and also other folks opinion | 09:35 |
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| andreaf | dmellado: well only as far as the spec goes | 09:35 |
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| andreaf | I added a new openstack-health folder in the qa-specs repo | 09:36 |
| andreaf | the idea is that people should be able to propose next pages / features for the dashboard in there via spec | 09:36 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, that is nice to add new folder | 09:36 |
| dmellado | ty andreaf I'll have a look (althought I'm not quite savy on that, it took me even a while to get it installed xD) | 09:36 |
| oomichi | andreaf: can we see openstack-health dashboard now? | 09:37 |
| jordanP | I am not really involved in openstack-health now but it looks great and super powerful. Great potential | 09:37 |
| jordanP | I keep saying that week after week, i know ! | 09:37 |
| dmellado | jordanP: lol | 09:37 |
| oomichi | andreaf: I cannot catch this topic. it is nice to get overview before seeing the spec | 09:38 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: ok | 09:39 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: well the idea is to build a dashboard that will help us visualise and debug issues in the various CI pipelines | 09:39 |
| jordanP | andreaf, I am going to read that spec carefully | 09:39 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: we are starting with gate because we already have the test result data for that pipeline | 09:40 |
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| andreaf | oomichi: but the plan is to extend to periodic - to finally get some visibility and trackability on periodic tests | 09:40 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: already available site of the dashboard? like http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ | 09:40 |
| andreaf | oomichi: not yet, but it will be linked in there | 09:41 |
| gmann | andreaf: that includes periodic jobs only or all | 09:41 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: ah, thanks. I got it | 09:41 |
| andreaf | oomichi: there's WIP to write a pupper module for it and to deploy it in infra - it shouldn't be long | 09:41 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: +1 | 09:41 |
| andreaf | gmann: I guess it's to be defined, based on the data we have an what we see useful | 09:41 |
| oomichi | looking forward to seeing it | 09:42 |
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| andreaf | there's a link in the spec with an etherpad of the work in progress patches | 09:42 |
| andreaf | and things to be done | 09:42 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok | 09:42 |
| andreaf | if anyone wants to contribute | 09:42 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-health-tracking | 09:42 |
| gmann | cool | 09:43 |
| oomichi | that seems last stage(page) | 09:43 |
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| dmellado | oops js xD | 09:43 |
| oomichi | nice progress :) | 09:43 |
| shuquan | is there a demo about openstack-health?? | 09:44 |
| dmellado | shuquan: you can download it and run it to check it | 09:44 |
| dmellado | it'll go with mock data | 09:44 |
| andreaf | there is a link for that, I'm trying to find it | 09:44 |
| dmellado | (at least last time I checked) | 09:44 |
| oomichi | oops, time is comming | 09:44 |
| dmellado | oomichi: should we move forward? | 09:44 |
| oomichi | can we move to the next topic? | 09:45 |
| oomichi | sorry for my time management | 09:45 |
| dmellado | oomichi: sure, np! ;) | 09:45 |
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| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 09:45 |
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| oomichi | I'd like to introduce current situation | 09:46 |
| oomichi | compute service client dev is nice progress | 09:46 |
| oomichi | almost done on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-lib-service-client-migration | 09:46 |
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| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-lib-service-client-migration | 09:46 |
| oomichi | glad if reviewing the remaining ;) | 09:46 |
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| oomichi | one different topic is "Generate API doc from temepst.log" | 09:47 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235092/ | 09:47 |
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| oomichi | ^^^ is a prototype | 09:47 |
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| oomichi | we will be able to get API doc from tempest.log for applying the same way for all projects | 09:47 |
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| oomichi | I will prepare a qa-spec for that | 09:48 |
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| oomichi | and glad to discuss it on the summit | 09:48 |
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| gmann | +1 | 09:48 |
| dmellado | oomichi: +1, let me know if you need help on that | 09:48 |
| oomichi | dmellado: thanks :) | 09:48 |
| oomichi | we will have a lot of tasks for fixing docstring of service clients | 09:49 |
| oomichi | so any helps will be very helpful | 09:49 |
| oomichi | that is all from me | 09:49 |
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| oomichi | does anyone have anything to discuss on this topic? | 09:49 |
| oomichi | about tempest? | 09:49 |
| oomichi | let's move on | 09:50 |
| dmellado | I wanted to know the current situation from the cleanup script with the accounts.yaml, but I'll review andreaf's about resources first | 09:50 |
| dmellado | ;) | 09:50 |
| dmellado | so let's move on | 09:51 |
| oomichi | dmellado: cool ;) | 09:51 |
| oomichi | #topic OpenStack Health | 09:51 |
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| oomichi | maybe this is done by the previous discussion | 09:51 |
| andreaf | oomichi: yep | 09:51 |
| oomichi | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:51 |
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| oomichi | anyone has critical reviews now? | 09:51 |
| oomichi | I have https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest-lib+branch:master+topic:bp/migrate-service-clients-to-tempest-lib,n,z | 09:52 |
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| jordanP | oomichi, will review. That's an easy one :) | 09:53 |
| oomichi | jordanP: thanks so much! | 09:53 |
| dmellado | +1 | 09:53 |
| oomichi | dmellado: thanks:) | 09:53 |
| andreaf | oomichi: cool, I'll have a look | 09:53 |
| gmann | also https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:use_lib_service_client,n,z | 09:53 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: thank you also ;) | 09:53 |
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| oomichi | gmann: yeah, that also is easy one ;) | 09:54 |
| gmann | and these from previous list - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234563/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234568/ | 09:54 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:use_lib_service_client,n,z | 09:54 |
| gmann | these 2 actually holding other approved one :) | 09:54 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest-lib+branch:master+topic:bp/migrate-service-clients-to-tempest-lib,n,z | 09:54 |
| gmann | oomichi: Thanks | 09:54 |
| oomichi | more other reviews? | 09:55 |
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| oomichi | ok, let's move on | 09:55 |
| oomichi | #topic open discussion | 09:55 |
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| oomichi | I have a plan to make a qa party Sunday before the summit | 09:56 |
| oomichi | or Monday | 09:56 |
| shuquan | cool | 09:56 |
| andreaf | oomichi: nice idea | 09:56 |
| jordanP | :D | 09:56 |
| dmellado | awesome! | 09:56 |
| gmann | :) | 09:56 |
| oomichi | thanks, I will ping you guys later ;) | 09:56 |
| oomichi | one idea is https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=fishbowl+room&safe=off&hl=ja&biw=1276&bih=520&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIr5O6opDEyAIVQp6mCh0tLgpW#safe=off&hl=ja&tbm=isch&q=%E9%87%A3%E3%82%8A%E5%A0%80%E3%80%80%E5%B1%85%E9%85%92%E5%B1%8B | 09:57 |
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| oomichi | we can do fishing on restraunt | 09:57 |
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| oomichi | just one idea, and I'd like to get opinions about that later ;-) | 09:58 |
| dmellado | that sounds fun! xD | 09:58 |
| jordanP | I never fished in my life :) | 09:58 |
| jordanP | I hope I'll still eat something | 09:58 |
| andreaf | :D | 09:59 |
| gmann | jordanP: same here :) | 09:59 |
| dmellado | jordanP: won't you pity the fish if you catch it? xD | 09:59 |
| jordanP | probably | 09:59 |
| oomichi | yeah, we need to consider it | 09:59 |
| gmann | it will great fun, Japanese style party :) | 09:59 |
| oomichi | anyway, I'd like to get ideas later | 10:00 |
| dmellado | ;) | 10:00 |
| oomichi | sorry, the time comes | 10:00 |
| oomichi | thanks all | 10:00 |
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| oomichi | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| gmann | Thanks | 10:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 10:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| shuquan | thanks | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-10-15-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-10-15-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-10-15-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
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| dmellado | thanks! | 10:01 |
| jordanP | thanks | 10:01 |
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| Daisy | We will start I18n meeting here | 13:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 13:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
| AJaeger | \o/ | 13:00 |
| Daisy | who is around ? | 13:00 |
| eumel8 | hello | 13:00 |
| * loquacities is here | 13:00 | |
| Daisy | I see many i18n team IDs here. | 13:00 |
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| doug-fish | \o | 13:00 |
| katomo | hello | 13:00 |
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| Daisy | Then let's start. | 13:01 |
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| Daisy | We have 5 topics to go through in this meeting. | 13:01 |
| Daisy | #topic Discussion: document translation plan | 13:01 |
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| Daisy | We have successfully finished Liberty translations, with 13 languages translated for Horizon. | 13:02 |
| Daisy | So I'd like to make our next translation plan. | 13:02 |
| AJaeger | congrats! | 13:02 |
| katomo | yay! | 13:02 |
| loquacities | well done :) | 13:02 |
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| Daisy | If you go to Zanata, https://translate.openstack.org/, I will put our plans/priorities here. | 13:03 |
| AJaeger | having that at the front page is really cool, thanks! | 13:03 |
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| Daisy | AJaeger and katomo: I need your suggestions for document translation plan. Which documents are ready and which should be in high priorities ? | 13:03 |
| Daisy | I don't know if Lana is here. :) | 13:04 |
| katomo | install guides | 13:04 |
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| AJaeger | From your communities, what kind of audience needs translated documents best? | 13:04 |
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| loquacities | Daisy: i'm here :) | 13:04 |
| * loquacities is Lana | 13:04 | |
| AJaeger | 1) People running guests in a setup cloud, 2) admins setting up the cloud or 3) developers interacting with a cloud ? | 13:04 |
| Daisy | Oh, I didn't recognise your ID, loquacities | 13:04 |
| loquacities | no trouble :) | 13:04 |
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| loquacities | so, yes, katomo is correct: install guides are the main ones | 13:05 |
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| AJaeger | taht would be part of the 2) admins | 13:05 |
| Daisy | I think 1 and 2 are high priorities, for me. | 13:05 |
| Daisy | What is 1, AJaeger ? | 13:05 |
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| Daisy | So end users ? | 13:05 |
| AJaeger | 1 would be Image Guide or the End User guide | 13:05 |
| AJaeger | yes, end users | 13:06 |
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| AJaeger | Daisy: people using HOrizon and python clients ;) | 13:06 |
| katomo | yeah, and "admin user guide" | 13:06 |
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| loquacities | +1 | 13:06 |
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| loquacities | image guide is high on website hits | 13:07 |
| katomo | hmmm | 13:07 |
| Daisy | I know Chinese translators like to translate end user guide at first. | 13:07 |
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| loquacities | yes, i think end user guide is a good option | 13:07 |
| Daisy | They have translated image guide, as far as I know. | 13:07 |
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| katomo | great | 13:08 |
| AJaeger | Note that Install Guide is branched for Liberty, End User Guide and Admin User Guide are published always from trunk. | 13:08 |
| Daisy | ujuc: are you there ? | 13:08 |
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| katomo | Japanese team have, too :) | 13:08 |
| AJaeger | WE can handle translations on Liberty branch as well now thanks to Zanata (later topic AFAIR) | 13:08 |
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| ujuc | hi | 13:08 |
| ujuc | sorry.;;; | 13:09 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: do we want to push Image Guide first to RST before we put translation focus on it? | 13:09 |
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| loquacities | AJaeger: yes, that's probably a good idea | 13:09 |
| loquacities | i don't think any speciality team has plans to do that at this stage, though | 13:09 |
| loquacities | the next one to be converted is ops guide | 13:09 |
| Ianychoi0 | h | 13:10 |
| loquacities | but i can ask at summit if people want to convert the image guide | 13:10 |
| Daisy | You mean, Image Guide are still in DocBook format ? | 13:10 |
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| loquacities | probably could use some love ... | 13:10 |
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| Ianychoi0 | sorry i am in outdisde | 13:10 |
| AJaeger | Daisy, correct. Therefore let's not put focus on it for now... | 13:10 |
| loquacities | +1 | 13:10 |
| loquacities | i think install guide + user guides is the best option | 13:10 |
| Daisy | Ianychoi0 and ujuc: I want to understand which one is high priority for Korean team: 1) People running guests in a setup cloud, 2) admins setting up the cloud ? | 13:10 |
| * AJaeger agree with loquacities | 13:10 | |
| katomo | +1 | 13:10 |
| ujuc | I think 2 | 13:11 |
| Daisy | 1 is for end users, and 2 is for admins. | 13:11 |
| AJaeger | Install Guide also changes heavily with every release, so you're always behind ... | 13:11 |
| Ianychoi0 | i totally agree with ujuc | 13:12 |
| ujuc | AJaeger +1 too hard | 13:12 |
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| Daisy | I think the admin to install Openstack will be behind | 13:12 |
| Daisy | too. | 13:12 |
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| loquacities | translations will *always* be behind | 13:12 |
| amotoki | hi | 13:12 |
| Daisy | So guys, do you want us to put installation guide as high priority ? | 13:12 |
| loquacities | it's a question of how far behind ... | 13:12 |
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| Daisy | If we want to translate installation guide, I hope we could finish it in 3 month. | 13:13 |
| loquacities | installation guide is the most popular book we have | 13:13 |
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| Daisy | after Liberty officially release, till the first stable release made, I guess there will be some monthes. | 13:14 |
| amotoki | As FYI, you can add your translated docs draft to http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html | 13:14 |
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| amotoki | it would be helpful if translation progress reaches to some level. | 13:15 |
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| Daisy | ujuc and katomo: let's vote | 13:16 |
| Daisy | installation guide as the high priority ? | 13:16 |
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| Daisy | agree or not ? | 13:16 |
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| ujuc | aggre! | 13:16 |
| Daisy | :) | 13:16 |
| Daisy | I think katomo will support too. | 13:17 |
| katomo | +1 high | 13:17 |
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| Daisy | So I will add installation guide as high priority in the homepage of Zanata. | 13:17 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 13:17 |
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| katomo | yay | 13:17 |
| Daisy | So we are done with the first topic | 13:17 |
| amotoki | yay | 13:17 |
| ujuc | yap | 13:18 |
| Daisy | #topic Stackalytics (translation activity metrics) : Go Austin! | 13:18 |
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| Daisy | I have to say, I spent some time on the code dev, but don't have good progress. | 13:18 |
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| katomo | ohhh ... | 13:18 |
| Daisy | I mean, the translation metric in Stackalytics | 13:18 |
| Daisy | There is a issue with the current Zanata API. | 13:19 |
| Daisy | The copied translations will not be included in translator's credit. | 13:19 |
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| katomo | hmmm | 13:20 |
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| katomo | not count? | 13:20 |
| amotoki | what does "copied" mean? | 13:20 |
| katomo | I think credit itself is not a matter. | 13:20 |
| Daisy | During Liberty translations, do you remember we fixed Russian plural issue ? I created a empty version, and upload new Russian po files with the corrent plural setting, and copied the stable-liberty to the new version. | 13:20 |
| amotoki | can we get statistics per version? | 13:21 |
| Daisy | All copied translations from stable-liberty to the new version are not included in your translation credit. | 13:21 |
| doug-fish | katomo: keeping accurate credit is important to me | 13:21 |
| doug-fish | we work with other companies to complete translations | 13:21 |
| amotoki | generally speaking, the current behavior sounds reasonable. | 13:22 |
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| Daisy | Yes, Zanata provide API per version, but we could accumulate them by program. | 13:22 |
| doug-fish | having the work of a translator we are working with would be very disruptive | 13:22 |
| doug-fish | that is.. having teh work of a translator we are working with not credited properly would be very disruptive | 13:22 |
| Daisy | so the translator contribution numbers are not correct in Horizon now. But other projects are fine. | 13:23 |
| katomo | hmmm | 13:23 |
| Daisy | I have tested REST API, and ask katomo help to verify. | 13:23 |
| amotoki | hmm... | 13:23 |
| Daisy | The data for Horizon is not correct, but other projects are fine. | 13:23 |
| Daisy | That is because I made a copy during Liberty translation. | 13:23 |
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| katomo | Unfortunately, we have already lost many many credits AFAIK. | 13:24 |
| amotoki | most/half of horizon translations have been done in transifex and some of them are made in master version before branching. | 13:24 |
| Daisy | Yes, katomo. Horizon is the most important project in Liberty translation. | 13:24 |
| amotoki | can we collect trans stats for both master and stable-liberty? | 13:25 |
| Daisy | I have asked Zanata team to provide more features to their statistic API , to return more data. | 13:25 |
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| Daisy | https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-725 | 13:25 |
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| amotoki | If we can gather stats for a specific period, i think it works. | 13:25 |
| Daisy | Then we could calculate the correct data by program. | 13:25 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: You get it. Yes, I think I will calculate both master and stable, and add them together. | 13:26 |
| doug-fish | Are the number of reviews/rejects already provided through the Zanata REST API? | 13:26 |
| -amotoki- time keeping: 2 mins left for this topic | 13:26 | |
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| Daisy | Reviews and rejects are provided by Zanata API. | 13:27 |
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| Daisy | Approved number and rejected number are provided by Zanata REST API. | 13:27 |
| doug-fish | oh super - I didn't know that! | 13:28 |
| katomo | good news :) | 13:28 |
| -amotoki- time to summarize. what's the next action items? | 13:28 | |
| amotoki | Daisy and katomo and volunteers continue the discussion? | 13:29 |
| Daisy | So I think the plan is to have stackalyatics feature in next release. and we need developers. | 13:29 |
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| Daisy | I need developers who know Python. | 13:29 |
| Daisy | who could help ? | 13:29 |
| Daisy | help to work on stackalyatics feature. | 13:29 |
| katomo | yes. | 13:29 |
| amotoki | i can help but no for near term (this month) | 13:30 |
| katomo | how about continue at Tokyo Summit. | 13:30 |
| Daisy | continue at Tokyo Summit ? | 13:30 |
| Daisy | continue the discussion ? | 13:30 |
| Daisy | Nice suggestion. | 13:30 |
| Daisy | So let's close it for now. | 13:31 |
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| Daisy | #topic Translation check site (dashboard) | 13:31 |
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| Daisy | katomo: what do you want to talk here ? | 13:31 |
| amotoki | btw, today's agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Next_meetings (it seems not announced at the beginning) | 13:32 |
| katomo | I have completely lost the status | 13:32 |
| katomo | someone know? | 13:32 |
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| Daisy | katomo: what I know is the spec is approved and infra people could start the real work. | 13:32 |
| katomo | If no one, I will comfirm to infra team as action item. | 13:32 |
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| Daisy | katomo: please help. | 13:33 |
| amotoki | katomo: +1 | 13:33 |
| katomo | ohhh. good job! | 13:33 |
| katomo | Daisy: sure | 13:33 |
| Daisy | katomo: Thank you. | 13:33 |
| Daisy | #action katomo to follow up with the lastest status of translation check website. | 13:33 |
| doug-fish | pleia2: clarkb any chance either of you are around and know of the translation check site progress? | 13:34 |
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| Daisy | While we are waiting for their response, let's go to next topic. | 13:34 |
| doug-fish | sure | 13:34 |
| Daisy | #topic Get rid of Openstack projects in transfix.com | 13:34 |
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| doug-fish | (I'm not sure they will response, I think this is an awkward time for them) | 13:34 |
| Daisy | Do we want to git rid of OpenStack projects in transfix.com now? | 13:35 |
| AJaeger | spec is here for the translation site http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_check_site.html | 13:35 |
| AJaeger | So, somebody needs to start doing it | 13:35 |
| AJaeger | Assignee is "Łukasz Jernaś <deejay1@srem.org>" | 13:35 |
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| Daisy | There are tens of requests to join the team. | 13:35 |
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| Daisy | AJaeger: I cannot image deejay1 is the assignee. | 13:36 |
| AJaeger | Daisy: That's what is written in the approved spec that he wrote... | 13:36 |
| amotoki | do we need a new volunteer? | 13:36 |
| AJaeger | If that'S wrong, we need to change it. | 13:36 |
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| Daisy | I think it's wrong, deejay1 should be the requestor. | 13:37 |
| amotoki | "assignee" in the spec means who actually work on it. If he is not available, we need a volunteer to step up. | 13:37 |
| Daisy | do we need a guy from infrastructure team ? or somebody from i18n team ? | 13:38 |
| AJaeger | Daisy: best to discuss in Tokyo with infra team face to face! | 13:38 |
| Daisy | Nice suggestion, AJaeger. | 13:38 |
| katomo | +1 | 13:38 |
| AJaeger | Daisy: anybody can do that, if it'S somebody from i18n team, infra team will help. | 13:38 |
| amotoki | sounds good. | 13:38 |
| Daisy | ok. | 13:38 |
| ujuc | +1 | 13:38 |
| ujuc | :) | 13:38 |
| Daisy | we have set "not accept translations" for some active project in Transifex. | 13:39 |
| amotoki | Daisy: could you send #undo? we are discussing the previous topic. | 13:39 |
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| Daisy | There are still tens of requests to join team in transifex. | 13:39 |
| mariantb | Daisy there're many requests to join the Spanish team coming from Transifex, I always send the person a message telling him/her to go to Zanata. Not always works though... | 13:39 |
| * AJaeger rejects 1 or 2 requests for new languages every week with a friendly message to the requestor to join us on zanata | 13:40 | |
| Daisy | #undo katomo to follow up with the lastest status of | 13:40 |
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| AJaeger | mariantb: thanks! | 13:40 |
| Daisy | do you agree we remove projects from Transifex ? | 13:41 |
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| Daisy | vote +1 or -1 ? | 13:41 |
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| katomo | -1 ... | 13:41 |
| Daisy | :) | 13:41 |
| AJaeger | could you explain -1 votes, please? | 13:41 |
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| katomo | we lost translator credits... | 13:41 |
| amotoki | -1 for at least Horizon, both ok for others. | 13:41 |
| katomo | and history | 13:41 |
| amotoki | history too. | 13:41 |
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| ujuc | -1...... | 13:42 |
| Daisy | Here is my plan for the pending requests: asking coordinators to send friendly emails to those requester. | 13:42 |
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| amotoki | at least I would like to have the previous release (kilo) for horizon. | 13:42 |
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| katomo | Daisy: okay. friendly :) | 13:43 |
| amotoki | if your lang team and your local community has a ML or similar way, it is better to accounce. | 13:43 |
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| amotoki | *to announce Zanata migration to it. | 13:44 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: maybe we could add the information some place in transifex project. | 13:44 |
| Daisy | I will figure out where to add the information. | 13:44 |
| AJaeger | tahnks, Daisy | 13:44 |
| amotoki | what I am not sure is how new translators got information. | 13:44 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to handle Transfiex affairs. | 13:45 |
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| Daisy | we have to stop this topic here. | 13:45 |
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| Daisy | Let's move to next topic | 13:46 |
| Daisy | #topic Versioning of installation guide | 13:46 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: it's your turn. | 13:46 |
| amotoki | this topic is from katomo and me. | 13:46 |
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| amotoki | The installation guide has a branch in the upstream. | 13:46 |
| amotoki | Do we have Zanata version for liberty for the installation guide? | 13:47 |
| amotoki | s/Do/Can/ | 13:47 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: please help to answer. | 13:47 |
| AJaeger | amotoki: not yet, since we haven't branched in git. | 13:47 |
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| AJaeger | amotoki: but we can do this - like we did for Horizon. | 13:47 |
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| amotoki | AJaeger: yes. We have branches for stable releases. | 13:47 |
| AJaeger | happy to set this up. | 13:48 |
| amotoki | liberty does not exist yet. | 13:48 |
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| Daisy | +1 for version management for installation guide. | 13:48 |
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| AJaeger | amotoki: Doc team will create a liberty branch in a few weeks. | 13:48 |
| AJaeger | And then we add it in Zanta. | 13:48 |
| Daisy | I believe we should have the same versioning management in documents, just as what we did with codes. | 13:48 |
| amotoki | AJaeger: sounds perfect. | 13:49 |
| AJaeger | Daisy: YES. But we branch *6 weeks* later than other projects ;) | 13:49 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: but most documentations are not branched. | 13:49 |
| ujuc | :) | 13:49 |
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| katomo | great | 13:49 |
| loquacities | yes, we take our time ;) | 13:49 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: one question, installation guide is in openstack-manuals project | 13:49 |
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| AJaeger | We only branch install guides and config reference - and I advise not to translate the later | 13:49 |
| AJaeger | Daisy: Yes, it is | 13:49 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 13:50 |
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| AJaeger | So, let's write down as action: Create a liberty branch in Zanata once the docs team created one and translate Install Guide only there. | 13:50 |
| Daisy | action to you, AJaeger? | 13:51 |
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| * AJaeger takes it | 13:51 | |
| loquacities | +1 | 13:51 |
| katomo | thanks!! | 13:51 |
| amotoki | Agree. thanks AJaeger. | 13:51 |
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| AJaeger | So, for now continue translation Install Guide in *master* - it is still Liberty! | 13:51 |
| Daisy | Create a liberty branch in Zanata once the docs team created one | 13:51 |
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| Daisy | #action AJaeger to create a liberty branch in Zanata once the docs team created one | 13:52 |
| amotoki | Should we make the master version read-only when liberty branch is created? | 13:52 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: I'll add this to our releases wiki as reminder ;) | 13:52 |
| Daisy | good question. | 13:52 |
| loquacities | thank you AJaeger, good idea :) | 13:52 |
| AJaeger | amotoki: we cannot - since other guides like User Guide are only on master | 13:53 |
| Daisy | amotoki: what's your idea ? do you want to make master read-only ? | 13:53 |
| amotoki | AJaeger: I am talkng about Zanata branch (version). | 13:53 |
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| Daisy | I think, AJaeger means the master version in Zanata has other manuals. | 13:54 |
| Daisy | not only intallation guide. | 13:54 |
| AJaeger | Correct, Daisy . | 13:54 |
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| amotoki | ah... i see. | 13:54 |
| Daisy | will it be an issue to you, amotoki ? | 13:54 |
| amotoki | From my experience on Zanata in Liberty, if you focus on transaltions of liberty version of the installation guide, it is better to mark Zanata master version of the install guide read-only | 13:55 |
| amotoki | until one or two months before mitaka release. | 13:55 |
| amotoki | I am not sure we can do that. | 13:55 |
| Daisy | We are not able to set read-only to a single document. | 13:55 |
| amotoki | Daisy: got it. | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | If so, what we can do is to do the best to announce it! | 13:56 |
| Daisy | AJaeger: I see there are a lot of cookbook- repos in git now. Are you going to separate manuals into different repo ? | 13:56 |
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| Daisy | split openstack-manuals into different repo ? | 13:56 |
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| AJaeger | Daisy: cookbook are chef repos, nothing to do with manuals. | 13:56 |
| Daisy | ok. got it. | 13:56 |
| AJaeger | And no , there are no plans to split up openstack-manuals currently... | 13:57 |
| Daisy | I think it's good to split them... | 13:57 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 13:57 |
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| Daisy | we have 3 minutes now. | 13:57 |
| amotoki | The summary of this topic are: (1) create a version for liberty (mainly for installatuion guide translation) | 13:57 |
| AJaeger | WE share a lot of files between manuals, if we split up we need to keep them in sync, this will soon become a mess. | 13:57 |
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| amotoki | and (2) we cannot mark the master version read-only because it is a per-project setting. | 13:58 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: I will ask Zanata team if it's able to set Readonly to a single document. | 13:58 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: thanks. we seem a heavy user of zanata now. | 13:59 |
| katomo | :) | 13:59 |
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| Daisy | one of the two big users of Zanata. | 13:59 |
| Daisy | the other one is fedora, I remember. | 13:59 |
| amotoki | exactly | 13:59 |
| katomo | yes | 13:59 |
| Daisy | I have to close the meeting now. Time is up. | 13:59 |
| Daisy | Thank you for attending. We had a good discussion in the last one hour. | 14:00 |
| amotoki | if necessary let's continue in -i18n list or #-i18n channel. | 14:00 |
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| katomo | thanks all | 14:00 |
| Daisy | Thank you, loquacities, for keeping awake in your late night. | 14:00 |
| loquacities | thank you Daisy, everyone :) | 14:00 |
| loquacities | no trouble | 14:00 |
| mariantb | thanks Daisy and the rest | 14:00 |
| ujuc | :) | 14:00 |
| loquacities | iit's always nice to join you :) | 14:00 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 14:00:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| AJaeger | Enjoy liberty, it's launch DAy! | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-10-15-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-10-15-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-10-15-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| amotoki | thanks all! | 14:00 |
| katomo | thanks loquacities, good night | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 14:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| ctrath | o/ | 14:01 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:01 |
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| andrearosa | hello | 14:01 |
| scottda | hi | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 14:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Liberty Status | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| jichen | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so liberty is out the door now | 14:02 |
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| jroll | \o | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076012.html | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem made a good call to action on the ML about the release notes | 14:02 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | please double check those if you added a commit that needs something in the release nodes UpgradeImpact some DocImpact ones, etc | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks for all the hard work pushing through the last moment issues, and all the testing folks did | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the end of that agenda item in this meeting | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Mitaka Status | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | well on to the next release... | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/type/Nova | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have uploaded our draft schedule | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there are a few question marks around the scheduler session, from memory, and I am keeping my eye out for specs, or collections of specs that might need a session | 14:04 |
| bauzas | we should somehow find some time to ack/nack that session | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help let johnthetubaguy know if you have a summit clash ASAP | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: agreed I am going to try meet with all moderators before the summit, been focusing on specs today though | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | there is a thing i'd like discussed at the summit but it was mostly alaski_out and i hashing out the details, so would be kind of hard for people to discuss in the friday meetup unless they read up first | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | so there is one conflict AFAICT | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so alaski_out is not there either right, which makes it tricky in person | 14:07 |
| bauzas | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/b2812a85cbca739432fe0b3d26f5fe69#.Vh-zFbzDia4 | 14:07 |
| mriedem | well, meh, i'd need to flesh out the idea a bit more clearly first probably | 14:07 |
| mriedem | yeah, ignore | 14:07 |
| * jaypipes here... | 14:07 | |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, I need to reach out to armex about that | 14:07 |
| bauzas | ack | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | or armax :) | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, yeah, either of them | 14:08 |
| * dims here | 14:08 | |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: I need to catch up with you about the content of the scheduler summit session, given we also have those two on resource modling | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | three sessions on the scheduler feels like too much, but anyways, lets do that in the channel after we finish up here | 14:09 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so grouping specs | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea of the above link is to try and group the specs, so its easier to have a bit more focus around the reviews | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the hope we get more completed, more quickly | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so help adding your spec in there, into a nice group, would be awesome | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sounds good. | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks to those who already did all that | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: cools | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so specless blueprints | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | any ones folks want to discuss | 14:11 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: how do you want to handle service catalog overall work that is going to need to end up in nova from the specs process? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | is that cross project? | 14:11 |
| sdague | mriedem: it is | 14:12 |
| mriedem | so openstack-specs? | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we can maybe do a spec-less blueprint that points to the openstack-spec | 14:12 |
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| sdague | right, there is an openstack-spec for this, which should be finalized shortly after summit | 14:12 |
| mriedem | ah, ok | 14:12 |
| sdague | just wanted to make sure we kept people engaged, and did what ever artifact tracking made sense | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there much specific to nova we need to get agreement? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | then yeah let's not re-review the nova parts | 14:12 |
| markus_z | johnthetubaguy: wrt specless blueprint, just to double-check if I get it, I have to bring the blueprint up in one of our meetings, is that right? | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: ideally just add it into here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:13 |
| mriedem | there is a section in ^ | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info for a specless blueprint, please add them into here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking and we will review objections in the next nova meeting | 14:13 |
| markus_z | ah, there it is. The whiteboard gets then updated or how will I be notified? | 14:13 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I'll make sure to write up the nova impacts in the spec after the summit, I think they are straight forward, probably not controversial, but it will be a heads up for what's coming | 14:13 |
| sdague | mostly the optional project_id and how we reference other projects | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: normally I add a comment in the whiteboard, and/or approve the spec once we have decided, that or just ping me | 14:14 |
| markus_z | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks, got it | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, that seems cool, a short spec might be handy just to set the context when folks look back at the details | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so moving on for now | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Regular Reminders | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have re-added the subteam area in that code review list | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | for subteam specs, just create a list inside the spec etherpad: | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info subteams please add back your focus lists for code reviews and spec reviews | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:17 |
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| markus_z | #help: Triaging: Top 3 subteams with most "New" bugs: volumes: 10, libvirt: 9, vmware: 5 | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: mriedem: what do you folks want to cover today? | 14:17 |
| markus_z | #info: Trivial bug fix: 9 reviews at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | markus_z thats a good call out, thank you | 14:17 |
| mriedem | the libvirt firewall driver bugs are still probably the most annoying in the gate | 14:17 |
| bauzas | +++ | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: are those nova-net specific? | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | yeah | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | wondering if we deprecate that, if no one fixes it... | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats probably a dumb idea | 14:18 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1501558 https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1501366 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501558 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-net: libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface: Unable to update the kernel" [High,Confirmed] | 14:18 |
| mriedem | libvirt? | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501366 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface" [High,Confirmed] | 14:18 |
| mriedem | :P | 14:18 |
| bauzas | that's a kernel problem, right? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | from what i can tell it's not a code regression in nova | 14:19 |
| mriedem | bauzas: that's what i think | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: and I agree with you | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, interesting | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help need help with gate bugs 1501558 and 1501366 | 14:20 |
| openstack | bug 1501558 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-net: libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface: Unable to update the kernel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501558 | 14:20 |
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| openstack | bug 1501366 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501366 | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so looking at third pary CI tests | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I see Hyper-V is unhappy right now | 14:20 |
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| sdague | mriedem: at one point I considered adding iptables logging into devstack, that might be appropriate here | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: do we know any more about the Hyper-V CI? | 14:21 |
| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: there aren't any problems that I'm aware of | 14:21 |
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| claudiub | johnthetubaguy: there used to be a problem until yesterday | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | claudiub: I am looking at here: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:21 |
| mriedem | sdague: some retries in nova might just resolve the issue | 14:21 |
| sdague | mriedem: sure, it might just be good to figure out what's going on before we just fix it the max powers way | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | yeah, i know | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | apparently there is a thing we can use in libvirt super future version, | 14:22 |
| mriedem | but we're nowhere near that on ubuntu | 14:22 |
| mriedem | 1.2.11 i think? | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | sdague: ++ to iptables logging in devstack. | 14:23 |
| claudiub | well, last 2 days there was a problem with nova.virt.images, as it was importing something that did not exist in windows, but that has been fixed since then | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I just wanted to make sure about third party CIs, we should agree to not +W-ing any patch that needs a third party test, but it hasn't yet voted positively on that patchset? | 14:24 |
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| ociuhandu | johnthetubaguy: until yesterday we have had a blocking bug, now we have seen some fails in a few tempest tests, we are looking into the possible causes | 14:24 |
| mriedem | btw http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ociuhandu: OK, thanks | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | looks like hyper-v is the only bad one there and that's a known issue with the resource import | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk1: do you have news on the VMware CI for Nova, I am seeing lots of non-votes at the moment in the graphs: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=24+hours | 14:25 |
| mriedem | and that was reverted as claudiub said | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, anyways, just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking no approve until the third party CI has voted on a patch | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I know we kinda said that before, but not sure we are always enforcing that | 14:25 |
| garyk1 | johnthetubaguy: at the moment we have a few problems with the CI | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i forget the name of the openvz guys, but we should get virtuozzo compute ci in there | 14:26 |
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| garyk1 | i think it is related to what broke the gate w few days ago. we are investigating | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk1: OK, thanks, good to know you are digging | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: there is a patch up to start working on an LXC CI | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: lxc ci? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226565 | 14:27 |
| mriedem | umm | 14:27 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219448/ | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are some folks working out what tests need to pass, and with what config, or some such | 14:27 |
| mriedem | unless that guy has some magic | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | lxc + tempest + dsvm is a turd in the toilet | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i'll comment on the project-config change | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, they did say about that, not sure if they got around some of those | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | whoa they are running cells? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | geez, good lukc | 14:28 |
| mriedem | *luck | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, thats prehaps a bit optimistic... | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets move on | 14:29 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: anyway, it should be in experimental queue first so it's not burning nodes | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:29 |
| sdague | added that review comment | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thanks | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, there were no objections to the third party CI rule | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info reminder, please do not approve changes in a virt driver until the appropriate third party CI has voted positively on that patchset | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help if anyone fancies automating the above, please make that happen | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open discussion | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so a quick think from me... | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | the nova midcycle | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am looking for venues | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | we offerred bristol | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | the offers I have are in the UK and europe | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:31 |
| bauzas | is UK not in Europe ? ;) | 14:32 |
| andrearosa | lol | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we are having a vote on that :) | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | no its mainland | 14:32 |
| jlvillal | Depends who you ask in the UK ;) | 14:32 |
| bauzas | lol | 14:32 |
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| markus_z | jlvillal: +1 :D | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | jlvillal: yup | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so anyways, I wanted to open up to use offers, if we have them | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | US based offers, if there are any | 14:33 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: RAX has previously offered san antonio, right? | 14:33 |
| dansmith | is that off the table now? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | as, honestly, worried we will not get enough folks to a europe offer | 14:33 |
| sdague | we should also probably straw poll the core team about what venues people could get to | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | sdague: +1 | 14:34 |
| dansmith | yeah, I'm worried about travel to europe for a midcycle | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: its not, just thinking San Antionio just before the austin summit is a bit odd | 14:34 |
| dansmith | and I know other cores even said the same | 14:34 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, may be able to do an hp site in us if pushed - need to check | 14:34 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I don't think it matters, personally | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | HP in colorado has hosted a few midcycles for liberty | 14:34 |
| mriedem | qa and cinder at least | 14:34 |
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| dansmith | yeah, colorado would be good for a lot of people | 14:35 |
| jlvillal | Ironic once tried two mid-cycles one in US and other in Europe. | 14:35 |
| raildo | can we do a hangouts air(or something like that), for those that can't travel for midcycle? :) | 14:35 |
| mriedem | not that i'm volunteering HP | 14:35 |
| jlvillal | About a week apart | 14:35 |
| edleafe | colorado in january can be very snowy | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to do poll about mid-cycle location and date | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | I proposed an international midcycle for Cinder but doesn't look like key folks could pull it off. | 14:35 |
| markus_z | johnthetubaguy: A hangout thing would be nice | 14:35 |
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| dansmith | can we make intel do it in portland again? that worked out real nice :) | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | markus_z: there was one last midcycle | 14:35 |
| markus_z | bauzas: How did it work out from your side? | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | portnad was a pain for us | 14:36 |
| dansmith | PaulMurray: you hush | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | I know, my wife prefers bristol too | 14:36 |
| bauzas | markus_z: pretty doable | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I will do my action, I mean I will probably just send that out on the ML, but I would ask folks take budget into consideration, not just preference | 14:37 |
| sdague | whatever the option, it definitely needs someone on the ground organizing it. | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is the OSIC thing in San Antonio, so it might be good for young folks | 14:37 |
| mriedem | young folks? | 14:37 |
| sdague | osic? | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: like you | 14:38 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: any idea about when it would happen ? | 14:38 |
| bauzas | end of Jan I guess ? | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | its like an intel + rackspace thing, I think they have some new folks there | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | so timing wise, I was thinking end of jan | 14:38 |
| mriedem | oh the new hire collaboration station | 14:38 |
| markus_z | OSIC = Office of the Scottish Information Commissioner | 14:38 |
| markus_z | ... | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 14:38 |
| jlvillal | OpenStack Innovation Center | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | So we could do it just after Mikta-2 | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | jlvillal: thats the one | 14:39 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:39 |
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| sdague | R-10 week seems like about right | 14:39 |
| bauzas | (for after M2) | 14:39 |
| sdague | it aligns the final push | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://blog.rackspace.com/rackspace-and-intel-form-the-openstack-innovation-center/ | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so lets aim for week 10 and after | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a band contest booked in just before that week, so that works well for me personally | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I think we have flogged that one now | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more topics for today? | 14:40 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: what would be the actual date then? | 14:40 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:40 |
| bauzas | nova meeting next week ? | 14:40 |
| sdague | dansmith: R-10 is Jan 25-29 | 14:40 |
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| dansmith | oh, I missed that R-10 I see | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: good point, aim for Tuesday 26th till Thurs 28th | 14:40 |
| dansmith | that's almost definitely going to screw me | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: week after better? | 14:41 |
| sdague | dansmith: isn't that almost always the case? | 14:41 |
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| gsilvis | I've got a topic | 14:41 |
| dansmith | actually, no, that's fine now that I look | 14:41 |
| dansmith | dog race is a week earlier this year I think | 14:41 |
| dansmith | so I'm good | 14:41 |
| dansmith | I'll even be showered | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | dog race? | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: are you good checking on your end for that date, I will do checks on my end | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | yep | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: thanks | 14:42 |
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| markus_z | johnthetubaguy: I've seen the "host-maintenance-mode" more often recently. Do we have a direction already? Like, deprecating it? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | +20 | 14:42 |
| markus_z | Right now it is a XEN only thing | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: I think we should deprecate it to stop the confusion its calling | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | casuing | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | meh, silly spellings | 14:43 |
| mriedem | was it hyperv that had a spec for that? | 14:43 |
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| dansmith | markus_z: it's actually not completely xen-only, only because some drivers have copied it without knowing it was not the right thing to do | 14:43 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, I think so | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think there was, and we have code up for a libvirt thingy | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, I don't think it even did anything, if I remember correctly | 14:43 |
| markus_z | mriedem: yes, hyperv wants to implement it | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | it changed an icon in the XenServer dashboard, I remember that much | 14:43 |
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| edleafe | gsilvis: you had something to ask? | 14:44 |
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| markus_z | dansmith: Really? It's already a few weeks since I looked at it... | 14:44 |
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| gsilvis | edleafe: indeed... I was waiting for a pause in the previous topic, but I'll just ask | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help can someone please deprecate host maintenance mode to stop the confusion | 14:45 |
| gsilvis | I'm from the Massachusetts Open Cloud. Last summit, we talked to some of you about an idea for inter-Openstack-deployment resource federation, and some of you told us to come up with a proof-of-concept for it | 14:45 |
| dansmith | markus_z: yeah, pretty sure, but we can take it offline.. +1 for deprecation for sure | 14:45 |
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| gsilvis | we have one now, and we're wondering how to get some time to show it to people at the Tokyo summit | 14:45 |
| markus_z | dansmith: ack | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: so we have closed for new summit submissions, so its tricky at this point | 14:46 |
| markus_z | gsilvis: Do you have a pointer? ML thread or something like that? | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: yeah, I think describing the idea on the ML is a good starting point | 14:46 |
| raildo | gsilvis: Are you using Keystone Federation on this feature, in some way? | 14:46 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: we could block a chunk of time on the friday | 14:46 |
| gsilvis | raildo: yes, extensively | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, we have some unconference slots as well | 14:47 |
| gsilvis | johnthetubaguy: We announced that we were going to do it about 5 months ago... let me pull up that email | 14:47 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: it's probably worth some of the meetup time to see what they did, and be able to fire more questions back and forth | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: true, I was thinking unconference slot would also work for that, admit it probably need more time | 14:48 |
| gsilvis | at that point we weren't sure which projects this would affect, so it was on openstack-dev: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066445.html | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: it would be good to reply to that original email on the ML, and say how it went | 14:48 |
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| sdague | yeh, this feels like it needs a little more unbounding on time | 14:48 |
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| gsilvis | johnthetubaguy: okay, that makes sense | 14:48 |
| markus_z | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066445.html | 14:48 |
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| raildo | gsilvis: if you want some help with this keystone federation side, me and other guys onmy team can help you :) | 14:49 |
| raildo | gsilvis: we are working with this since kilo | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: so I think if you can tag it with [nova] in the subject on the ML, and add other projects in there, that will help us jump on that thread | 14:50 |
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| gsilvis | raildo: we worked with several people on the Keystone team in designing and trouble shooting it, actually---so big thanks there :) | 14:50 |
| raildo | gsilvis: great :) | 14:50 |
| bauzas | so, asking again, do we have a meeting next week, given that we would be close to the summit time with some people already away? | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: I am a bit worried if we talk about it in the Nova room, we will not have all the correct folks in the room, so we might want to find a slot where we can get a good collection of people all together, ML is a good way to push on some of that | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: oh good question | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the meeting is crazy late for me, so I am unlikely to be there | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | does anyone really want a meeting this time next week? | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | not me :) | 14:51 |
| gsilvis | johnthetubaguy: yeah... at the very least we'll need a couple of people who understand cinder and keystone too | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | i'll be at epcot or something equally crappy | 14:51 |
| bauzas | it's planned 2100UTC IIRC | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: yeah, +1 | 14:52 |
| gsilvis | johnthetubaguy: I was hoping to get a talk, but I got waitlisted | 14:52 |
| scottda | gsilvis: Keep me in the loop and I'll connect some Cinder people | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: honestly, getting a spot in the design summit is probably better for this | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | scottda: thanks | 14:52 |
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| gsilvis | scottda: thanks, will do | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gsilvis: I would add [keystone] [cinder] [nova] on your email | 14:52 |
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| raildo | ++ | 14:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:53 |
| gsilvis | johnthetubaguy: okay | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets cancel next weeks meeting | 14:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we used all the time this week, so give it back next week | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info no meeting for the next two weeks due to the summit and summit travel | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, thanks all | 14:53 |
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| edleafe | thanks johnthetubaguy | 14:54 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:54 |
| gsilvis | thanks! | 14:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 14:54:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-10-15-14.01.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-10-15-14.01.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-10-15-14.01.log.html | 14:54 |
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| nijaba | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | hmm.. i guess cinder forgot to end meeting | 15:01 |
| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 15:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
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| liusheng | o/ | 15:01 |
| nadya | o/ | 15:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | #topic design summit | 15:02 |
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| gordc | ok. so i put up the schedule for design summit. | 15:02 |
| gordc | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/ceilometer | 15:02 |
| KrishR | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | please let me know if you have any conflicts and i'll try to address them. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | you can also find the list of etherpads for each session here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads | 15:03 |
| gordc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads | 15:03 |
| gordc | i think one item to point out (something llu-laptop reminded me of) | 15:04 |
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| gordc | as i previously mentioned, we have oppportunity to test ceilometer on 1000 node environment | 15:04 |
| gordc | i was thinking it'd be good to have some ideas how/what to deploy on this environment to test. | 15:05 |
| gordc | we can use the contributor's meetup to discuss that | 15:05 |
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| gordc | or do we want a dedicated session? | 15:05 |
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| ildikov | gordc: Ceilo with the old back ends or Gnocchi? | 15:05 |
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| gordc | ildikov: nadya(mirantis) are currently testing mongodb i believe | 15:06 |
| gordc | but they aren't sharding. | 15:06 |
| nadya | gordc: 1000 node without installed OpenStack ? | 15:06 |
| KrishR | gordc: we can use the contributors meetup; i assume this is for the OSIC cluster (intel-Rackspace) | 15:06 |
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| ildikov | gordc: ok | 15:06 |
| gordc | KrishR: correct. | 15:06 |
| gordc | nadya: not sure what you just asked | 15:07 |
| llu-laptop | KrishR: yes | 15:07 |
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| gordc | ildikov: but yeah, i think the idea is to come up with what we want to test. | 15:07 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I asked Gnocchi as we plan to move to that API soon I guess, etc. so it would be nice to see what it can handle | 15:08 |
| gordc | just bringing it up now so you have a few days/weeks to think about it. | 15:08 |
| ildikov | gordc: +1 | 15:08 |
| nadya | gordc: you have hardware or OpenStack env? you asked 'how deply on this env', what we need to deploy? | 15:08 |
| gordc | ildikov: yep. or we can do multiple storage as well. just difference scenarios. | 15:09 |
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| ildikov | gordc: if that's an option that would be even better | 15:09 |
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| gordc | nadya: intel-rax have a openstack env they are building | 15:09 |
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| KrishR | nadya: we can set up the OSIC cluster with whatever versions of ceilometer/gnocchi you want | 15:09 |
| gordc | we just need to decide how to implement the ceilometer/aodh/gnocchi parts | 15:10 |
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| nadya | gordc, KrishR: ok, I see | 15:10 |
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| gordc | that's all i had on design summit. | 15:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, I was thinking about that too, I mean having all three components in a setup, etc. | 15:11 |
| gordc | ildikov: yeah, that's a good idea. | 15:11 |
| gordc | just a reminder, the etherpads are live, so if you are leading/participating in one of the sessions. feel free to edit the etherpads | 15:12 |
| gordc | i currently just copy/pasted stuff in. i'm going to use "i'm sick" excuse to justify laziness | 15:12 |
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| * cdent gives gordc a cookie | 15:13 | |
| gordc | cookie cures nothing. but i'll take it. | 15:13 |
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| gordc | anyone else have items to add? | 15:13 |
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| gordc | #topic RDO needs/wants this fix (on liberty) to mongodb replica set handling: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234254 | 15:14 |
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| cdent | yeah that was me | 15:15 |
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| cdent | apparently there was no test coverage on that chunk and when rdo test day tried to use ?replicaset for ha in a ceilo deploy it didn't work | 15:15 |
| cdent | they can workaround by going back to the deprecated method of using a conf setting | 15:15 |
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| cdent | but that's not got any shelf life | 15:15 |
| gordc | cdent: did you want a rc3? | 15:15 |
| cdent | so yeah the question is: what are the chances of an rc3 | 15:16 |
| gordc | because i think ttx just released stable/liberty this morning | 15:16 |
| gordc | i'll need to check with ttx/dhellmann post meeting. | 15:16 |
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| gordc | but i don't think we can spin up another release candidate | 15:16 |
| cdent | note that it is not a backport, which sort of weirds it up | 15:16 |
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| cdent | I guess from rdo's standpoint it doesn't really matter if it gets in a release, just that it will be release eventually, and they can manage the patch until then | 15:17 |
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| gordc | cdent: is this related to sileht's patch? i vaguely remember it being changed | 15:17 |
| cdent | so having it merge asap, even if not released, would be nice | 15:17 |
| gordc | cdent: kk. | 15:17 |
| cdent | his patch for o.messaging? | 15:17 |
| cdent | no | 15:18 |
| gordc | no. i think he touched replicaset stuff but i could just be saying sileht because he touches everything | 15:18 |
| cdent | the messaging thing is another topic we probably ought to work out: does that cause release crazy? | 15:18 |
| cdent | it's true he does | 15:18 |
| cdent | I think he is an aggregate | 15:18 |
| gordc | :) | 15:19 |
| ildikov | cdent: lol :) | 15:19 |
| ttx | obviously too late for a rc3 | 15:19 |
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| ttx | since the release is out | 15:19 |
| gordc | ttx: thanks for confirmation. | 15:19 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah so i guess we'll get it in next stable/liberty | 15:20 |
| ttx | yesterday was the last day for respins. Today is final tagging day. FYI it takes 7 hours to go through everything | 15:20 |
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| ttx | gordc: you can issue a point release early next week if necessary | 15:20 |
| cdent | gordc: not a problem, do we happen to know when we'll be able to merge that so it is present on the branch? | 15:20 |
| gordc | ttx: i got 200emails from you this morning. that's why i knew it was done | 15:20 |
| gordc | ttx: sounds good. i'll sync up with you folks when we want next point release. | 15:21 |
| gordc | cdent: i think once ttx tags everything we can merge it in. | 15:22 |
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| cdent | roger | 15:22 |
| gordc | i don't really have a problem with it not being in master (since it's not needed) | 15:22 |
| ildikov | I'm sure it's not the first cacse it happens | 15:22 |
| cdent | good | 15:22 |
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| gordc | cdent: you're required to provide an envelope when you add stuff to stable that aren't backports. | 15:23 |
| gordc | you decide what is in the envelope. | 15:23 |
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| cdent | for you, I say tissues | 15:24 |
| ildikov | gordc: I guess cookies :) | 15:24 |
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| gordc | both are good options given current state. | 15:24 |
| gordc | #topic meeting next week? | 15:25 |
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| cdent | no | 15:25 |
| gordc | hahaha | 15:25 |
| ildikov | cdent: that was fast :) | 15:25 |
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| gordc | i won't be available either as i'll be travelling | 15:25 |
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| ildikov | gordc: if we sorted out everything for the design summit, which seems to be the case, I'm fine if we cancel next week | 15:26 |
| nadya | have a great rip, folks! | 15:26 |
| nadya | *trip | 15:26 |
| gordc | do we want to tentatively schedule one but cancel if nothing comes up next few days? | 15:26 |
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| gordc | nadya: thanks! | 15:26 |
| ildikov | nadya: thanks! | 15:26 |
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| gordc | ildikov: do you want to lead it next week if we do have one? | 15:27 |
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| gordc | i think if nothing gets raised in mailing list by next tuesday, we can cancel. | 15:27 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I'm available, so I can do that if needed | 15:27 |
| gordc | ildikov: great. | 15:27 |
| liusheng | should need a mail thread to inform this cancelation ? | 15:27 |
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| gordc | i'm pretty sure it'll be cancelled since i know quite a few people will be away | 15:28 |
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| ildikov | gordc: yeap, I think it's ok if we wait until Tuesday as you said and then send a mail | 15:28 |
| gordc | liusheng: i can send an email if/when we officially cancel. | 15:28 |
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| llu-laptop | about the meeting, forgive me if I missed the email, any conclusion about the alternative meeting time? | 15:29 |
| cdent | I think it didn't reach a conclusion | 15:29 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: that was just an internal query i had. | 15:29 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: is there a specific time that works better for APAC? | 15:30 |
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| llu-laptop | i'm getting used to this time, but I can't speak on behalf of others | 15:31 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: ack | 15:31 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: i'll add a thread regarding this | 15:31 |
| gordc | i think ultimately we still want to make the ML play a more important role | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: agreed | 15:32 |
| liusheng | +1 | 15:32 |
| gordc | #action gordc send email regarding modes of communication. | 15:33 |
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| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:33 |
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| cdent | do we need to talk about dealing with o.messaging or is that under control? | 15:34 |
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| cdent | (especially the liberty parts) | 15:34 |
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| gordc | cdent: i got the requirements patch to block 2.6.1 approved | 15:34 |
| gordc | i take it it needs to be backported to liberty as well | 15:34 |
| cdent | presumably | 15:34 |
| gordc | cdent: kk. i'll get that looked at as well. | 15:35 |
| liusheng | it will need may "recheck" latter :) | 15:35 |
| liusheng | s/may/many/ | 15:35 |
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| gordc | liusheng: yeah, definitely | 15:35 |
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| gordc | is there a backport for liberty already? | 15:36 |
| cdent | I don't know. | 15:36 |
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| cdent | liusheng, you know? | 15:36 |
| liusheng | cdent: no | 15:37 |
| gordc | ok. i'll be offline for a meeting next hour or so. if there's no backport when i get back, i'll do it and raise it | 15:37 |
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| gordc | we'll need to wait for all the tags to be finished/merged though. | 15:38 |
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| gordc | all's good? final countdown. | 15:39 |
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| gordc | thanks folks. | 15:40 |
| gordc | see you in Tokyo. | 15:40 |
| ildikov | thanks | 15:40 |
| * cdent waves | 15:40 | |
| ildikov | see you in Tokyo! | 15:40 |
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| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 15:41:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-10-15-15.01.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-10-15-15.01.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-10-15-15.01.log.html | 15:41 |
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| vishwanathj | Hello | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | cinder folks - done w/ the mtg ? tacker team mtg is up next | 16:02 |
| bobh | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 16:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker ? | 16:03 |
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| bobh | o/ | 16:03 |
| sripriya_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:03 |
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| tbh_ | o/ | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | howdy all! lets start .. | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Agenda at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Oct_15.2C_2015 | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | stackforge/ to openstack/ name conversion is this Sat Oct 17th | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/073071.html | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | infra team will take care of most of the things .. including migrating existing gerrit reviews to /openstack | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to be prepared for some hopefully minor loose ends | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | so.. bye bye Stackforge! | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | .. and on to the big tent :) | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | Last, another happy note.. I'm nominating Bob to the core team.. | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077131.html | 16:08 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Thanks! I'm honored! | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks for all your efforts, looking forward you joining the core-team! | 16:08 |
| sripriya_ | bobh: way to go! | 16:09 |
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| tbh_ | bobh: congrats | 16:09 |
| vishwanathj | bobh: way to go...congrats | 16:09 |
| bobh | sripriya_: tbh: thanks! | 16:09 |
| bobh | vishwanathj: thanks! | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Liberty Status | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | I believe major pieces we had in sight like mano-api & health-mon has landed... | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | now we just some loose ends to be tied and high priority bugs squashed | 16:11 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: cool! great effort by monitoring sub-team to land it in time for liberty! | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: yes, kudos to bobh and tbh ...! | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll pull a stable/liberty branch by coming Tuesday .. after that only the fixes that make sense for Liberty should go there | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | master will march onto Mitaka | 16:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | any questions ? | 16:14 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: have we prioritized what are the critical bugs or must fix bugs that needs to go to liberty? | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | oh, btw .. there is bunch of release stuff like applying a tag & pushing to pypi..this is something I won't be able to do before the Summit. | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: yes, I created a tag "liberty-critical" to make the candidates | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-critical&orderby=status&start=0 | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | we still have 6 open... | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm looking for team's help to (a) add any bugs that's deemed critical for liberty (b) suggest remove any issues that could wait.. | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | any other question on stable/liberty ? | 16:18 |
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| tbh_ | sridhar_ram: I think configuring openwrt bug must go to libert, what do you say?/ | 16:19 |
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| vishwanathj | tbh_ +1 | 16:19 |
| santoshkumark | sridhar_ram: will the further addition of featues continue on stable/liberty..?? | 16:19 |
| tbh_ | sridhar_ram: because that is the mgmt_driver we are providinf as an example for the user | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh_: agree, the set of bugs that you, vishwanathj & sripriya_ in this area cleans this whole create->mgmt_driver flow | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh_: can you mark them w/ 'liberty-critical' ? | 16:20 |
| tbh_ | tbh_: sure | 16:20 |
| tbh_ | *sridhar_ram sure | 16:20 |
| vishwanathj | Find the link tacker-horizon bug that I think should be liberty-critical as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1493558 | 16:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1493558 in tacker "tacker-horizon code does not allow for passing a config file during VNF creation" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj) | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | santoshkumark: I believe we are in state where we will allow selective feature to still come into stable/liberty | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | santoshkumark: specifically tacker-sfc.. but they will be mostly exceptions | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: yeah, that bug make sense .. please make it w/ the liberty-critical tag | 16:23 |
| * sridhar_ram realizes we are already discussing bugs... | 16:23 | |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Bugs | 16:23 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: how about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1504687 ? | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504687 in tacker "network interfaces on the vnf instance does not come up in the same sequence as specified in the vnfd template" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sripriya (sseetha) | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: another criteria, IMO, is the code complexity a bug fix will bring.. | 16:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: is this a smallish fix ? | 16:25 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: yes, a one liner but then the impact is more | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: okay, make it for liberty and we can take it up in the gerrit review | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | *mark it | 16:26 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: will do | 16:26 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: can we discuss about the vnf-create --config-file bug status? | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: sure | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh_: sripriya_: where do we stand in this whole vnf-create --config-file track ? | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | I see many smallish fixes all over ... in tacker-horizon, tackerclient and in the backend | 16:29 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: tbh: based on our IRC discussions we discussed about having retry logic for config update during vnf-create | 16:29 |
| tbh_ | sridhar_ram: we made a boot_wait option available in plugin.py and same is passed to monitor | 16:29 |
| tbh_ | sridhar_ram: and removed monitor.py based boot_wait | 16:30 |
| sripriya_ | tbh: i see a bug on openwrt not getting updated with config, can you share the bug link? | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh_: that make sense to me... boot wait shd be per VDU.. | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: what do you think? boot_wait is moving from monitor.boot_wait to something generic | 16:31 |
| tbh_ | sripriya_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1506111 | 16:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506111 in tacker "Unable to configure VDU using openwrt mgmt driver" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to bharaththiruveedula (bharath-ves) | 16:31 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I think it should be configurable per vdu, and possible different for monitoring and mgmt | 16:31 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I can see where you want to wait X seconds before configuring and Y seconds before monitoring | 16:32 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: as monitoring may not make sense until after configuration has happened | 16:32 |
| sripriya_ | tbh_: i would like to request if you could expand the description a bit more, it would help me understand the exact root cause of the bug... thanks | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I think we nicely covered for monitoring w/ the monitoring_delay: attr | 16:32 |
| tbh_ | sripriya_: sure | 16:32 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: agree | 16:32 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: tbh: bobh: what about the default 30 seconds as timeout? | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: that's a good pt, monitoring shd happen after the services within the VDU settles down... | 16:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: seems reasonable to me .. and anyway it is configurable in tacker.conf | 16:34 |
| bobh | sripriya_: I think 30 is a good default, can a VDU change it? | 16:34 |
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| sripriya_ | bobh: no | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: we don't have VNFD template attr for this .. we shd add it to our backlog to introduce one | 16:36 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: definitely | 16:36 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: tbh: regarding the retry mechanism, where should we plan to introduce it...? | 16:36 |
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| sripriya_ | should it be specific in openwrt? where it attempts for ssh connection few times and then giving up. | 16:37 |
| tbh_ | sripriya_: you mean retry to configure to update, for that it must be at mgmt_driver level | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: IMO this is something the mgmt_driver shd take care of it.. I don't see it make sense for tacker-framework to make a generic call on how many times to retry | 16:37 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 16:38 |
| sripriya_ | tbh_: yes | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: I think we shd leave that to the VNF vendor / mgmt_driver developerr | 16:38 |
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| sripriya_ | tbh_: do you plan to add that in the current patchsets? | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | cool.. I guess we are in agreement .. | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on vnf-create / mgmt-driver track ? | 16:39 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i understand you will be taking care of the cleanup on heat config-update? | 16:40 |
| tbh_ | sripriya_: will that go under the same patchset? | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: sure, I can pitch in ... | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | I've another issue to raise here related to health-monitoring.. | 16:41 |
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| vishwanathj | sridhar_ram, would https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1481974 this fall under vnf-create track? | 16:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481974 in tacker "vnfd: availability_zone to specific host fails vnf instantiation" [Medium,New] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj) | 16:41 |
| sripriya_ | tbh_: can it be combined with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234741/ and change the title? | 16:41 |
| * sridhar_ram will hang back on health-mon | 16:41 | |
| tbh_ | sripriya_: okay | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: no, that doesn't .. it is more a placement thingy | 16:42 |
| vishwanathj | ok | 16:42 |
| sripriya_ | tbh_: sridhar_ram: thanks! | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: this is something we could take up in a bit way for Mitaka if Intel folks join us here ! | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | *big way | 16:42 |
| vishwanathj | its marked liberty-critical.... | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: if we can fix it by liberty .. will be great. | 16:44 |
| vishwanathj | and if I understood your rignt, you had mentioned that you were working on a fix (I could be wrong) but it is assigned to me now.... | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: I'll assign this bug to me .. | 16:44 |
| vishwanathj | sridhar_ram, ok | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | *myself.. | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | back to health-mon... | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | there is an intermittent gate issue ... | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link http://logs.openstack.org/43/234543/1/check/gate-tacker-dsvm-functional/48d6cea/console.html | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: santoshkumark: I need your help to analyze why vnf-create fails sometimes ... | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | it seems to fail w/ mgmt_port : resource busy | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | another symptom I've seen is .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1505468 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505468 in tacker "Error status after creating a vnf - TypeError: <type 'NoneType'> can't be decoded" [Undecided,New] | 16:46 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'll take a look at the logs | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks ! | 16:46 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: i'm following up on the nonetype bug | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: cool, thanks! | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. happy bug squashing everyone! | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Documentation | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm doing my part using #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235062/ | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | the resulting html files (after you run tox) looks pretty nice! | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | once this merges .. I'll work w/ project-infra to hook it up to jenkins | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: tbh_: any updates from you side on docs ? | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | *your | 16:50 |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: regarding the deployment guide, i will start it this week, but will be interested to get thoughts from tackers as to what all we include as part of it, given that we have seperate .rst files for each of the new features | 16:50 |
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| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: and should the guide be included in wiki.openstack.org? | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: ideally we shd be writing the docs to openstack-manuals.. | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya_: the 2nd best options it to shoot for docs.openstack.org/developer/tacker ... | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | 3rd / least option is wiki.openstack.org | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | unfortunately I don't know the effort estimate on the openstack-manuals track.. | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | I know something abt option (2) | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | My suggestion is - for near term - to go for (2) | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | try pulling my docs patchset and run tox -e docs | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | and see the html file it generates to get an idea | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | it looks pretty good | 16:55 |
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| * sridhar_ram 5 min mark | 16:55 | |
| sripriya_ | sridhar_ram: ok, probably we can take it on #tacker after the meeting | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | okay.. anything else on docs ? | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. | 16:56 |
| sripriya_ | on the deployment guide, i'm assuming we cover all supported features and various commands anything else? | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion / Mitaka plans | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | there are multiple events that would touch Tacker .. I'll add a wiki section w/ pointers to all of them | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: please add any tacker related events from ALU to that section... | 16:58 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: will do - I think it's still an alternate at this point | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I see.. | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | folks - we still need to decide a timeslot for developer meetup... | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | two top candidates are Weds AM and Friday AM | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm open to both .. lets just make a call | 16:59 |
| s3wong | I may not be able to make it anymore on Friday AM | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | shall we quickly finalize in #tacker channel? | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | times up.. | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | bye everyone | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| sripriya_ | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 17:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-10-15-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-10-15-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-10-15-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| stevemar_ | o/ | 18:59 |
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| dtroyer | \o/ | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 19:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | who is here? | 19:01 |
| stevemar_ | \o/ | 19:01 |
| stevemar_ | gotta send out the courtesy ping | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | courtesy ping: briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24, dstanek | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | I can only c-n-p so fast... | 19:01 |
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| stevemar_ | oh dstanek too now | 19:02 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:02 |
| Megan_ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | Megan_: if you want to be added to that ping list, add yourself to the list on the meeting page at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient | 19:02 |
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| Megan_ | thank you, I will | 19:02 |
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| stevemar_ | whats on the agenda dtroyer? | 19:03 |
| stevemar_ | or we just winging it as usual :) | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | Megan_: also, if no one else shows up it'll be up to you to break up the fights between stevemar_ and I over the ALCS that starts tomorrow night… | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | stevemar_: winging it… you always try to slip in those references | 19:04 |
| stevemar_ | ha | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | basically today, it's summit and release | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | let's start with... | 19:04 |
| stevemar_ | wasn't even trying to do so | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | #topic summit schedule | 19:05 |
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| stevemar_ | #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/openstackclient#.Vh_4-hNVhBc | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | The OSC track is at https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/openstackclient, still just the defaults that I'll fill in after the meeting | 19:05 |
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| stevemar_ | :) | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | working backwards, Friday's meetup is probably going to be filed with whatever comes up earlier in the week. | 19:06 |
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| stevemar_ | makes sense | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | The work session immediately follows the fishbowl session, but in a really small room IIRC | 19:06 |
| stevemar_ | is there anything that we really want to accomplish by working as a group? | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | I imagine that may be session followup stuffs | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | in YVR we did get some useful work out of sitting around and hashing out things like the argument precedence, etc. | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | I think the command namespacing may be one of those this time? or others? | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | could just do a bug bash or something | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: Hi! that's also a great idea | 19:08 |
| stevemar_ | terrylhowe: for the work session? | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | I started through the list today and…there are a bunch that would be easiest to talk about in a room i think | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | maybe thats meetup stuff? | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | I think it also depends on schedule. stevemar_ do you have big conflicts? | 19:09 |
| stevemar_ | yeah, i think so, lets tackle bigger things during the work session | 19:09 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: pfft, probably | 19:10 |
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| stevemar_ | keystone and osc meetups are conflicting :( | 19:10 |
| stevemar_ | i might jump in and out of rooms | 19:10 |
| stevemar_ | but i might be required to be in keystone | 19:11 |
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| stevemar_ | osc work session conflicts with a talk i'm giving | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | stevemar_ goes and wins an election just to get out of osc meetings | 19:11 |
| stevemar_ | and fishbowl conflicts with keystone fishbowl (policy) | 19:11 |
| stevemar_ | pretty much | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I saw there were session overlaps, didn't know what topics yet | 19:12 |
| stevemar_ | i might have to bow out and meet up with you before or after this stuff, i don't think i can get out of these easily | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | ok | 19:12 |
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| * stevemar_ grumbles mightily | 19:13 | |
| dtroyer | so how about the topic list… I'll put what we've talked about into this etherpad now: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-osc-session | 19:14 |
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| stevemar_ | thanks for the topic list, i'm adding now | 19:15 |
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| stevemar_ | are the goals of ksa adoption == untangling the mess that is osc-occ-ksa | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | so that's more than 45 minutes worth | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I don't think so | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I think ksa adoption can stand alone | 19:17 |
| stevemar_ | hmm okay | 19:17 |
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| stevemar_ | i regret not asking for a x-project session about osc | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | since occ insists on loading ksa plugins, we need to just bite it and do that too | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | I want to push more of the arg handling down because of that | 19:18 |
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| stevemar_ | whatcha mean? | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | but staying backward-compatible is going to continue to be a problem since both ksa/ksc and occ have some bits that aren't for us | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | I've contended that occ shouldn't be loading plugins or anything like that. it should have been just a config file layer | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | but I've lost that layering battle so let's make it the arg handling layer as much as possible | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | the duplication is killing us because the oder is all wrong | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | order* | 19:20 |
| stevemar_ | if we're going to be backwards compatible maybe it's finally time for a rename :D | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | yeah, 2.0 is our chance to fix that | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | I added https://review.openstack.org/233268 as the first step to doing things in the order we need | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | to occ | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | I'm guessing there will be more | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, this also gets us headed down the rabbit hole of actually using ksa for auth everywhere (correctly), which isn't as simple as I thought | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | so by then I should have the list of what needs to be done yet | 19:23 |
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| stevemar_ | lemme see when the sdk guys have their sessions | 19:23 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: are you going to be in those? | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | if I can | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | I didn't think that was official yet, did they get space? | 19:24 |
| stevemar_ | they appear to not have sessions | 19:24 |
| stevemar_ | ^' | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | and my talk on Tuesday was going to cover both osc and sdk, but the sdk bits will be much smaller than I had hoped | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | we can't introduce it without a 1.0 | 19:25 |
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| stevemar_ | dtroyer: boourna | 19:25 |
| stevemar_ | boourns | 19:25 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: sdk integration seems so far away | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | yeah, unfortunately | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | so for #1, is there design/impleemntation questions or is it just a SMOP | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | (small matter of programming) | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | there was no space for sdk sessions, so we were going to wing it | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | piggy back on osc sessions if possible | 19:27 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: it's not "small", but there aren't any contentious issues there | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | I didn' tthink so | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: Friday morning is probably the best time for doubling up | 19:28 |
| stevemar_ | write a token to cache, local disk, blah | 19:28 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: jamie had some code in ksc for handling stuff there | 19:28 |
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| terrylhowe | cool | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | #2 and #5 are related | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | #3 and #4 are project relations more than technical IMO | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | #9 is the one that's gotten a lot of noice in the last month or two | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | yay plugins! | 19:29 |
| stevemar_ | #3 and #4 can be done by asking the PTLs | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | right | 19:31 |
| stevemar_ | why does neutron depend on sdk integration? | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | that's how we're going to get it. I _REALLY_ don't want more neutronclient stuffs so we can remove the dependency | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | that's also why replacing glacneclient is second on my list | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe seems to have the network bits fleshed out in the SDK | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | that's the first pain point of delaying adoption | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | anything else about the summit? | 19:34 |
| stevemar_ | sec... | 19:34 |
| terrylhowe | I’d be a lot further along right now, but I got pulled off on an internal project, hence I’ve been afk for the couple weeks kind of | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: I know how that feels… | 19:34 |
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| stevemar_ | you guys and your internal projects | 19:35 |
| stevemar_ | should be carry some neutron sdk/api stuff in OSC, like we do with swift? | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | remember, this was an evenings-only project for me for 2 years. I feel fricking free now… | 19:35 |
| stevemar_ | enough to perform some basic operations | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | stevemar_: maybe | 19:35 |
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| stevemar_ | i think it's worth it | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | part of the KSA work I started is working up that api.* chain updating the sessions so that should be ready | 19:36 |
| stevemar_ | the reaction that OSC has barely any network support isn't good :( | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | unfortunately thatls not a one-item list either | 19:37 |
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| stevemar_ | understood | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | if the api.* stuff stays, we need to consider it to be an interface that can be used by plugins | 19:38 |
| stevemar_ | but i would think, like most things, most folks want a few basic network commands, not the whole shebang | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | right. we maybe should start with the typical user commands | 19:39 |
| stevemar_ | enough so that they can use osc as their main cli, and not swap all the time | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | thinking users, not admin/ops | 19:39 |
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| terrylhowe | unfortunately there is a fairly large set of commands needed to stand up a network | 19:39 |
| stevemar_ | 10% of the stuff is run 90% of the time :P | 19:40 |
| terrylhowe | but maybe we could minize it by only providing list adn create to start | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | for aproject though, that's usualy only done once? or by a small number of people? | 19:40 |
| terrylhowe | at best stevemar_ | 19:40 |
| stevemar_ | i think carrying that support, until the sdk is baked is fair | 19:41 |
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| stevemar_ | anywho | 19:42 |
| stevemar_ | release talk time? | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | hows about we move on to… | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | #topic next release | 19:42 |
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| dtroyer | anticipating a 1.8.0 release on Monday, is there anything outstanding you think we should wait on yet? | 19:42 |
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| dtroyer | there are a few that I'd like to hold off until after 1.8.0 is cut | 19:43 |
| stevemar_ | what's your list? | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | the first KSA review: https://review.openstack.org/233344 | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | compute service delete: https://review.openstack.org/231812 | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | that's it | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | maybe identity v3 default? that just makes me nervous…timing wise at least | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | is it better to break during hte summit or after? ;) | 19:45 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: meh, either way is fine | 19:45 |
| stevemar_ | we're just starting M, so the really bad part is over | 19:45 |
| stevemar_ | during the summit, not too many patches going through :) | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | actually it's seemed sometimes things happen/get fixed faster when we're together | 19:46 |
| stevemar_ | compute service delete can go in | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | I want that to work like compute set service before it goes into a release | 19:47 |
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| dtroyer | one uses service/host, the other uses ID only | 19:47 |
| stevemar_ | ah | 19:47 |
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| stevemar_ | this maybe: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211839/ | 19:47 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: up to you if you want the first ksa review in there, it adds a requirement but doesn't do anything | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | I'm not sure I ever looked at it, first because August, then the Jenkins -1 | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | I don't want to add the requirement just yet, that's why the wait in ksa | 19:48 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: i fixed it up, guess i forgot to pep8 it | 19:48 |
| stevemar_ | yeah, wait on ksa then | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | I'll look at the volume list filter after the meeting, it'll probably be ok to go in | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | so my plan is to do the 1.8.0 release notes tomorrow and merge them, but waituntil Monday to cut the relase, because weekend | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | that will let us resume merging the other stuffs | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | I don't think that breaks any testing paths | 19:50 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: fixed up the volume one | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | cool, thanks | 19:51 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: cool with me | 19:51 |
| stevemar_ | let me know if you need a review or two | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | will do. | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | I think I have launchpad cleaned to now too. | 19:52 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: saw that | 19:52 |
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| stevemar_ | nice job | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | have the release team been making the milestones and targeting bugs or did you do that stevemar_? | 19:52 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: release team | 19:52 |
| stevemar_ | i just propose a new change to openstack/releases | 19:52 |
| stevemar_ | and magic happens | 19:52 |
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| dtroyer | hmmm…ok, I'll check with dhellmann then if I did it right. so far I've medded up both releases I've tried under the new process | 19:53 |
| stevemar_ | i think it scans bugs in LP that are fix committed and sets them to release | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | I wanted a place to target the committed bugs to extract them for the release notes | 19:53 |
| stevemar_ | dtroyer: i think doing less might be better in this case | 19:53 |
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| stevemar_ | just find the fix-committed bugs and make your release notes from that, don't change the state though | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | except that it pulls based on milestone | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | I did kinda like the ability to track via the milestones. | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | especially now that we'll have stable release bugs mixed in | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | will ask the gurus for guidance | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | anything else on reviews/bugs for release? | 19:55 |
| stevemar_ | nope | 19:56 |
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| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:56 |
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| stevemar_ | go jays go! | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | we've got 5 minutes left, what's on y'alls minds? | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | go Royals go! | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | Cueto proved he can still pitch at least one good game a year | 19:57 |
| stevemar_ | we need briancurtin in here for a `go cubs go` | 19:57 |
| stevemar_ | hopefully ventura doesn't bean 3 of our players again | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | ah, good, I was afraid he might be a TX baseball fan drowning sorros now | 19:58 |
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| stevemar_ | TX has baseball fans? | 19:58 |
| stevemar_ | :P | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | Early season grips never go away ;) | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | they have 2 | 19:58 |
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| dtroyer | one for each team | 19:59 |
| stevemar_ | 2 fans | 19:59 |
| stevemar_ | hehe | 19:59 |
| diazjf | stevemar_ Astros "had" a good season | 19:59 |
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| stevemar_ | diazjf: until last night :( | 19:59 |
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| stevemar_ | i was hoping they would win, royals make me nervous | 19:59 |
| stevemar_ | anywho | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | as well they should | 19:59 |
| stevemar_ | good use of open discussion :) | 19:59 |
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| dtroyer | ok, let's call it a meeting then | 20:00 |
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| * dtroyer testing the 'open' in open discussion | 20:00 | |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| stevemar_ | :) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 20:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-10-15-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-10-15-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-10-15-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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