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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 08:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:01 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:01 |
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| lennyb | Hi | 08:01 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | how are you today? | 08:02 |
| lennyb | anteaya: how are you today? | 08:02 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 08:02 |
| lennyb | anteaya: I am fine, thanks. | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | oh good | 08:02 |
| anteaya | what shall we discuss today lennyb? | 08:03 |
| lennyb | all I have is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206513/ | 08:03 |
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| anteaya | great | 08:04 |
| anteaya | what would you like to say about the patch? | 08:04 |
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| lennyb | how can I make it merged? | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | well to be merged the patch needs another core reviewer to review and leave a +2 and hopefully a +1 workflow | 08:06 |
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| anteaya | so the most you can do is encourage a core reviewer to review | 08:06 |
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| anteaya | do you know how to find out who has core review permissions on a repo? | 08:07 |
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| lennyb | I will google it :) | 08:07 |
| anteaya | I would be interested if google knows | 08:08 |
| lennyb | Gogle knows everything :) | 08:08 |
| anteaya | does google know this? | 08:09 |
| anteaya | otherwise I will tell you | 08:09 |
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| lennyb | ok, thanks ( but I want to try first :) ) | 08:10 |
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| anteaya | yes, I am waiting | 08:12 |
| lennyb | I've found you and Elizabeth K. Joseph | 08:12 |
| anteaya | do report back | 08:12 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 08:12 |
| anteaya | but I don't have core on system-config | 08:12 |
| lennyb | maybe Yolanda | 08:12 |
| ljxiash | Hey, anteaya, would you mind telling us how to find it out? I am new and want to know it. | 08:12 |
| anteaya | lennyb: you are guessing | 08:13 |
| anteaya | ljxiash: sure | 08:14 |
| lennyb | I am googling :) | 08:14 |
| ljxiash | :) | 08:14 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/902,members | 08:14 |
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| lennyb | so I was right 2 out of 3 :) | 08:15 |
| anteaya | lennyb: that isn't the point | 08:15 |
| anteaya | the point is your method didn't tell you useful information | 08:15 |
| anteaya | as you were guessing | 08:16 |
| anteaya | sign into gerrit and go to people > list groups | 08:16 |
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| anteaya | then enter the name of the gerrit group in the text box as a filter | 08:16 |
| anteaya | that is how you find out who has permissions on a repo | 08:16 |
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| anteaya | can you see that? | 08:17 |
| lennyb | you are correct, the link is added to the favorites and I've noticed where it was located at https://review.openstack.org/ | 08:17 |
| anteaya | good I'm glad | 08:17 |
| lennyb | thanks | 08:17 |
| anteaya | welcome | 08:17 |
| anteaya | is there anything else we should discuss today? | 08:18 |
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| lennyb | me has nothing | 08:19 |
| anteaya | okay thank you | 08:19 |
| anteaya | any reason why I shouldn't close the meeting? | 08:19 |
| anteaya | thanks for your participation today lennyb and ljxiash | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | see you next week | 08:21 |
| lennyb | have a good day | 08:21 |
| anteaya | thanks lennyb, you too | 08:21 |
| ljxiash | thank you, anteaya | 08:21 |
| anteaya | ljxiash: welcome nice to see you | 08:21 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 08:21:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-13-08.01.html | 08:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-13-08.01.txt | 08:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-13-08.01.log.html | 08:21 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 12:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 12:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 12:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | hi | 12:00 |
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| alex_xu | hello everyone, long time no see~ | 12:00 |
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| gmann_ | yea :) | 12:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello | 12:01 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: hows was ur vacation ? | 12:01 |
| sdague | o/ ( though I'm going to be in and out dealing with this fix and baby getting up) | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: it's great thanks | 12:01 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: it's fine | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | so let's get start the meeting | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic actions from last meeting | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | action: alex_xu catch up stable-core review the api bug kilo back-port | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | that is done, the patches already merged | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/227135 | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/227176 | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | action: alex_xu check to see if all the issues fixed on the v2.1 api doc | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | Looks still have something didn't fix yet | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | so I will file bug for them, and decribe how we fix them | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | Few of them need update our api sample, like we said all the extension must enabled. But some api sample file only show part of attributes, not include the extended attrs. | 12:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, can we get nova folks working on those bug fixes, they seem really important | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | yea, appreciate people can help on it | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea, all extension thing we decided | 12:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, enabling all the extensions in the tests is a good one to start with | 12:04 |
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| alex_xu | after I file bug, I will link the bug back to the etherpad | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: johnthetubaguy : can we merge sample tests for all extension of should wait till we completely remove the extension things ? | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | or anyone interesting on each item you can file the bug also | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the tests, we could just create a blueprint to track the effort? | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | if thats easier | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: we needn't wait to remove extension I think | 12:05 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: johnthetubaguy ok | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: +1 | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | now it does change our test coverage | 12:06 |
| gmann_ | i will do it, just create BP and on etherpad people can join | 12:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but it concentrates in on the default configuration, so I feel happier with that | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: for fix the wadl doc, we just need change few api sample I think, so we can quick fix them | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | later we will run all the extension for all the api sample test | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 12:06 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: +1 | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking about us needing them for the swagger stuff I guess | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I am getting ahead of things | 12:07 |
| gmann_ | fixed one today - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234072/ | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | #action gmann_ will creae BP and etherpad to track the work merge api sample test and run all the extensions | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yes | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | we will talk that later | 12:07 |
| gmann_ | which is something i want to discuss, actually this is one where v2.1 and v2 differ | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: point me at the BP, and I can get it approved, etc | 12:08 |
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| alex_xu | anymore people sign up for fix wadl doc? | 12:08 |
| gmann_ | should we mention this diff on doc and have both response there? | 12:08 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: sure | 12:08 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I can help | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: cool, thanks! | 12:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome! | 12:08 |
| gmann_ | because this is the only case where response differ. | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | #action alex_xu file bug for wadl doc problem, and work with Kevin_Zheng on fix them | 12:09 |
| gmann_ | or how about adding some comments there about v2 return net-id also | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: for the ones that differ, I guess we added most of the stuff in a later microversion, or something like that? | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: emm...ok that need more thinking | 12:09 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: consider me also for wadl if needed | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 12:10 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea 2.12 has that attribute | 12:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: I think thats OK then, v2.11 and v2.0 can share, for that API call, maybe? | 12:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: if not, we will just need two separate tests, which is fine | 12:10 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea, test wise ok, i was thinking on doc - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234072/ | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: ah, gotcha | 12:11 |
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| alex_xu | I thnk we can discussion each work item later, we have a lot of items today | 12:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 12:12 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea sure. | 12:12 |
| eliqiao | +1 | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | action: nova-api team review and land outstanding doc patches for next week - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230186 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226253 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229546/ | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | only https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230186 didn't merged yet. | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | so hope all team member continue help on the review | 12:13 |
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| alex_xu | that looks like close | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | action: sdague to add concept guide progress to standing agenda | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | sdague: are you around? | 12:13 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't think I made the agenda changes | 12:13 |
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| alex_xu | ok, anyway I added that in the agenda... | 12:14 |
| alex_xu | action: sdague to propose API slot for summit | 12:14 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I did that one | 12:14 |
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| alex_xu | do we have list for what we will discussion on the summit? | 12:14 |
| alex_xu | or we should create one? | 12:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | its on an etherpad | 12:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, sorry, not for the API session yet | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the session was accepted, but not got the detail for that session locked down yet | 12:15 |
| sdague | I had a brief list in the session submission | 12:15 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool | 12:15 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: did that make it to the etherpad as well? | 12:15 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: where we should wrote down the detail? | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I haven't created the official etherpads yet | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | wanted to wait till we had the scheduled nailed down, got an outstanding issue right now | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so basically, we can decide where to put it, for now | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | how about we have temp one, then people can review the list and wrote down the item they want to discussion? | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | then we can discuss the list in next meeting | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can try create them all this afternoon, that should help stop us having two etherpads I guess | 12:17 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: cool | 12:17 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: so we just waiting for you? or create temp one? | 12:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I don't mind, I will create the official one this afternoon | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably worth just waiting | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, we just waiting | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to sort out etherpads for API session, and send link to alex_xu | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | #action nova api team review the api session list, and free to add item, and discuss that in next meeting | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | so let's move one | 12:19 |
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| alex_xu | s/one/on/... | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Documentation | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | API Concept Doc | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226253 | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | this one already merged, so we want to track the TODO? | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | emm...no response | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so ideally yes | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe a blueprint for those too? | 12:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | specless blueprint that is | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | yea, blueprint also good | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you can create it, I can get that approved | 12:22 |
| gmann_ | yea and track all TODO there who all working .. | 12:22 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let me create one and create an etherpad track that. | 12:23 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we have good commit messages, attached to a single gerrit topic, it should be OK | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | #action alex_xu create bp and etherpad to track the concept doc work | 12:23 |
| sdague | we could just use a tag instead | 12:23 |
| sdague | APIDoc | 12:23 |
| sdague | or something that's searchable | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | sdague: good idea | 12:24 |
| sdague | or, honestly, we can search by file | 12:24 |
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| alex_xu | how about APIConceptDoc? | 12:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just like the blueprint, because it raises the review priority automatically | 12:24 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+file:%255Edoc/source/v2.*,n,z | 12:24 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok | 12:24 |
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| alex_xu | cool, that mor eeasy | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | s/mor/more | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | ok, so let's move on | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | Swagger Doc Generate | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | I think there is probably two choice, one is generated from tempest which proposed by oomichi, another one is generated from nova code base. I worked out a PoC of generated swagger from nova code base. | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | I think this is good for us to compare which one better. | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like it has to be in nova | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/233446 | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know that means moving those json response files, but thats fine | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | yea, at least nova have more info | 12:27 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea, response file in Nova is really good | 12:27 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: can those be broken into more files? | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | currently those went in Tempest-lib along with other tempest service clients | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | sdague: I think it can, at least move the json-schema into more files | 12:28 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu :may be ref of request and response file in swager file ? | 12:29 |
| gmann_ | and keep schema in separate | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: yea, something like that | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | and the nova code base also need some change | 12:29 |
| sdague | because I think if we had units the size of - x-get-2.10-2.12 that would be good | 12:29 |
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| sdague | files this large get a little lost | 12:29 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | 1. The microversion should declare on the top of method. Which is used to iterate the supported version for an api, but current some microversions are coding deep into the code. | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | 2. We haven't repsonse json-schema, which are in the tempest | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | 3. 3. For no more extension, we need adjust our api samples test only run with all the extensions. | 12:30 |
| sdague | yeh, but it's only in tempest because it didn't exist in the project | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: just take the last one | 12:30 |
| sdague | if we bring that bit back it's fine | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 12:30 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:31 |
| gmann_ | so we will do response validation option in nova? | 12:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we can add some functional tests for that, if we want | 12:31 |
| gmann_ | because tempest would not be able to do till those are given by Nova through some API etc | 12:31 |
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| gmann_ | and remove validation from Tempest? and do in nova side only | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | maybe just change the api-sample test to validate response? | 12:32 |
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| sdague | gmann_: I think the point is that tempest could consume them from nova | 12:32 |
| sdague | instead of inventing them on it's own | 12:32 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea | 12:32 |
| sdague | so, one last thing, just because it's here | 12:32 |
| sdague | "paths": { | 12:33 |
| sdague | "/{project_id}/os-keypairs": { | 12:33 |
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| sdague | I started poking at what's required to actually get project_id out of our urls | 12:33 |
| sdague | because it's in a really weird place where it's only there due to service catalog, but sometimes it's hardcoded because of that convention | 12:33 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233079/ | 12:34 |
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| sdague | we actually explode because of novaclient version negotiation | 12:34 |
| sdague | but, the thing I wanted to bring up, is are folks on board with getting rid of project_id in urls? | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think its a good idea, certainly getting it out of the service catalog | 12:35 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 12:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it feels like is will need a microversion bump, etc | 12:35 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm trying to figure out all the code that we're going to need for this | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I also think about that | 12:36 |
| edleafe | yes, I think that only swift has a serious issue with that | 12:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but for that service catalog standardisation, it would be great to remove the tenant first | 12:36 |
| sdague | and, yes it will, but we kind of need to backport this as well | 12:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | a backport? | 12:36 |
| gmann_ | cannot we do on base? | 12:36 |
| sdague | the thing that I think needs backporting is project_id being optional in the url | 12:37 |
| gmann_ | and support both but ignore who all passing in url | 12:37 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233076/ | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, backporting to v2.0 you mean? | 12:37 |
| alex_xu | optional sounds ok | 12:37 |
| sdague | and liberty | 12:37 |
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| sdague | so that there will be a microversion where you are 100% sure you don't need it | 12:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not sure we can backport that to liberty... but thats a separate debate | 12:38 |
| sdague | yeh | 12:38 |
| sdague | anyway, we'll have to talk this through | 12:38 |
| sdague | the other thing we kind of need is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233779/ | 12:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I mean a project id of "key-pair" could be interesting | 12:38 |
| sdague | because the endpoint you get from keystone is /v2.1/$id | 12:39 |
| sdague | but if you GET that today it's a 404 | 12:39 |
| sdague | you have to know you have to strip the $id | 12:39 |
| sdague | which is super gorpy | 12:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ouch, thats terrible, yeah | 12:39 |
| sdague | that has odd implications for microversions | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 12:40 |
| sdague | maybe we can talk some of this through at summit, I'm trying to get enough code up to figure out all the rough edges | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | that would be a good thing to debate | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | once we have the options on the table | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | getting a sane service catalog seems like a good mitaka aim, alongside docs | 12:40 |
| sdague | yeh | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | so do we need bp and spec for generate swagger and remove project_id now? or after the summit discussion | 12:41 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I think after the summit | 12:41 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, cool | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am find with doing the swagger one now, if you want to get that advertised | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so going back a step | 12:42 |
| sdague | yeh, swagger is fine | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you have a link to the tempest based one | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | from oomichi | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: no, we haven't, oomichi didn't have chance wrote one yet | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so maybe thats a good thing | 12:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets focus on moving stuff into Nova, so it can live in nova | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | so let me continue update the poc making it show more thing, and I need talk with doc team, see how to match the ui with microversion extend | 12:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fwiw I think this is part of our transition away from assuming magic people will create all our docs for us | 12:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: yeah, annegentle and someone I can't remember has the swagger prototypes we can link into I believe | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | with all the themes applied | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | so microversion wise, I think its a whole swagger tree for each version | 12:45 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, they have ui, and need nail down with them about how to extend swagger to support microversion | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought that was kinda decided in some ways? | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have a different doc for v2.1 and v2.2... v2.12 etc | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: already decided? actually in that poc I put all the version in the same file | 12:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, so I think we need to generate a doc for each version | 12:46 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: hey I'm here | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: but I remember we said we can have drop list two select version for each api | 12:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and it references where it changed in the past, or something like that | 12:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: yeah, thats what I am remembering too | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: hey, something you have interesting https://review.openstack.org/233446 | 12:47 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: and I think I need your help later | 12:47 |
| gmann_ | yea but in that case too we need separate doc which gets replaced like something on drop down list | 12:47 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: yeah, drop list, something like this: https://libgit2.github.com/libgit2/#HEAD we talked about in Vancouver | 12:47 |
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| annegentle | alex_xu: oh, exciting | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | ok, change the version, then change the whole doc to another version? | 12:48 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: johnthetubaguy: russellsim can make a UI as we want | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: :) | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I quite liked the highlighting here: https://libgit2.github.com/libgit2/#v0.15.0 | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | that seems to work | 12:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://libgit2.github.com/libgit2/#v0.15.0/group/indexer/git_indexer_free | 12:49 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems to link to all the versions | 12:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so yeah, lets do whatever makes that happen :) | 12:49 |
| gmann_ | in our case we can highlight the API got changed between versions | 12:49 |
| annegentle | excellent | 12:49 |
| gmann_ | which gives very clear view | 12:49 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: so you've decorated keypairs, do you imagine it'll take the release to decorate all calls? | 12:50 |
| alex_xu | ok, if we generate swagger for each version, then probably needn't any extend for swagger spec | 12:50 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: I think the only vendor extension we need is for POST actions | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | does anyone know what orange means here: https://libgit2.github.com/libgit2/#v0.21.3/group/commit/git_commit_create | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | green means add I guess | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | is orange change? | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: oops, sorry, I didn't get your mean | 12:51 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: looks like | 12:51 |
| sdague | it's a param add in at least one case | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: you mean we need doc all the calls? the code should work with the api without decorator first, then later we fill all the doc for all the api | 12:51 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: ok | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | looks like we will run out of time | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, I saw the id change, | 12:52 |
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| alex_xu | 10 mins left | 12:52 |
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| alex_xu | how about we talk that offline, let move on first | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, this is important, super happy to see progress on this | 12:52 |
| annegentle | alex_xu: nice work | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | annegentle: thanks | 12:53 |
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| alex_xu | so move on | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - specs | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - specs | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | I have question, what kind of rule for which spec should bring up at here? | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | sdague: do you have any suggestion ^? | 12:54 |
| sdague | I think APIImpact tag is good to search on | 12:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 12:54 |
| alex_xu | so we want to go through all the spec at here? | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | more its a raise awareness | 12:55 |
| alex_xu | currently we probably have 23 specs until yesterday | 12:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | and cover sticking points | 12:55 |
| alex_xu | ok | 12:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least thats what I was thinking | 12:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we should all go away and review those specs, ideally, and bring back any issues to next weeks meeting? | 12:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now thats probably two weeks work | 12:55 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | ok, actually i prepare some, but we didn't have time | 12:56 |
| sdague | yeh, it's tough with summit on the horizon | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have tried to catagorise specs here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 12:56 |
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| alex_xu | just bring up this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180469/ | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | do we need microversion for it? | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | This one change the overquota from 400 to 403, so I think it need Microversion right? | 12:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should only do the new thing for folks requesting the new microversion, I guess, thats the question | 12:57 |
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| sdague | right | 12:57 |
| sdague | that's the issue | 12:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean the user will have always expected both responses as possible | 12:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the problem is how does the user deal with the error code | 12:57 |
| alex_xu | yea | 12:58 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I think it should be a microversion. I still think 403 is the wrong call here. But apparently I lost that one with cdent | 12:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't like policy and quota having the same response myself, either | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 12:58 |
| sdague | but, honestly, I'd rather not adjust this one until we get the error spec out of API wg | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the alternatives seem to have been dissmissed | 12:58 |
| sdague | because I think distinguishing it is important | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, that also sounds a plan | 12:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 I see this as dependent on the API WG | 12:59 |
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| alex_xu | ok 1 mins left | 12:59 |
| jichen | ok, I will mark this as WIP | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | jichen: thanks :) | 12:59 |
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| jichen | alex_xu: thanks for bring this out :) | 12:59 |
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| alex_xu | jichen: np | 12:59 |
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| alex_xu | so nothing more | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | it's time to close | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thank you! | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 13:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| gmann_ | thanks all | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-10-13-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-10-13-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-10-13-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: np | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 13:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu | hello | 13:01 |
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| haiwei | hi | 13:01 |
| lixinhui | hi | 13:01 |
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| lixinhui | Where is Qiming | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | since Qiming is in another call conference, I will hold this meeting :) | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hope he can join us later | 13:01 |
| lixinhui | Okay :) | 13:01 |
| haiwei | fine | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | please feel free to add items to the agenda | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | #topic deletion policy handling CLUSTER_DEL_NODES | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | so the first thing we may want to talk about is the patch about deletion policy proposed by haiwei | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | hi, haiwei, could you please give us some summary about it? | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | although I guess you're still working on it | 13:04 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:04 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn :) | 13:04 |
| haiwei | deletion policy's TARGET contains CLUSTER_DEL_NODES action | 13:04 |
| haiwei | but cluster_del_nodes action will delete specific nodes | 13:04 |
| haiwei | so I thought deletion policy should not take effect when this action happens | 13:05 |
| haiwei | maybe some of you will think the same | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | hmm, actually we don't need deletion policy to choose candidates for CLUSTER_DEL_NODE action | 13:05 |
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| haiwei | but Qiming noticed me there are other rules like grace_period and destroy_after_delete in deletion policy which will work for cluster_del_nodes action | 13:06 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, we just made a discussion about these two properties today | 13:06 |
| haiwei | right, yanyanhu | 13:06 |
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| haiwei | these two rules are not working currently , I will try it fix it | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | actually we thought that maybe we should let end user to decide whether they want to destroy a node completely after it is deleted from a cluster | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | and also the grace period setting | 13:07 |
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| haiwei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232953/ this is the patch | 13:08 |
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| haiwei | yes, end user can define it in both deletion policy file and the command line | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | so the basic rule is if users specify the exact nodes they want to delete from cluster, they need to take responsibility to decide these two settings | 13:09 |
| haiwei | and we will add a destroy_after_delete option for it | 13:09 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:09 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | and about the comment I left before, I think I was wrong | 13:09 |
| haiwei | welcome to review the patch after I pushed it | 13:09 |
| haiwei | we can discuss it yanyanhu, if you have any questions | 13:10 |
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| yanyanhu | once user decided the deletion candidates, the deletion policy should not deny it | 13:10 |
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| haiwei | I also made mistakes at first | 13:10 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:11 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, lets make further discussion about this patch later | 13:11 |
| haiwei | the point is grace_period and destroy_after_delete rules | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:11 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:11 |
| haiwei | we can move on | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | #topic two placement policies or just one | 13:12 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, lixinhui, I saw you and liuwei are also working on this workitem recently | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming just proposed a patch of placement policy for cross-region yesterday | 13:13 |
| lixinhui | yes | 13:13 |
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| lixinhui | I saw it | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | it is from the one for cross-az I think | 13:13 |
| lixinhui | I will find more time to review taht | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | so we haven't decided whether we should combine these two placement policies since their logic of building placement plan are the same | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, thanks :) | 13:14 |
| lixinhui | but not sure what does that mean by the topic | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | we hope to user the same placement policy to support cross-az and cross-region | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | if there is no much conflict | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | s/user/use | 13:15 |
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| lixinhui | okay | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | but it seems a little difficult | 13:16 |
| haiwei | yanyanhu, currently which two patches are almost the same, I saw three patches about placement policy, Qiming, lixinhui and liuwei | 13:16 |
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| lixinhui | but I think more complex for across region | 13:16 |
| jruano | yes they both seem to be addressing placement | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | I think liuwei and qiming's | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | jruano, yes | 13:17 |
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| jruano | makes sense to try to use one | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, right, we found some problems here | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | since region is usually carried in context and is supported by most openstack services | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | but az is different | 13:17 |
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| yanyanhu | only limited services support it (only nova and cinder now I guess)? | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | yes | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | yanyanhu | 13:18 |
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| elynn | Is there any benefit to use one instead of two? | 13:18 |
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| lixinhui | good question, elynn | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | from my point of view | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, reduce the complication of policy type managing I guess :) | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | I think there should be more region specfic logic there instead of current code | 13:19 |
| haiwei | I think one is better | 13:19 |
| lixinhui | I balancing | 13:19 |
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| yanyanhu | hmm, actually I also discussed this with Qiming this afternoon and we also haven't got conclusion... | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | by design, liuwei's policy can work together with mine | 13:20 |
| haiwei | people will get confused by two placement policies if they are actually doing the same job | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, yes | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | I think so | 13:20 |
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| yanyanhu | haiwei, but putting them together could make the implementation of placement policy very complicated | 13:21 |
| haiwei | lixinhui, that means the patches are doing different jobs? | 13:21 |
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| lixinhui | yes, yanyanhu | 13:21 |
| lixinhui | but region is different | 13:21 |
| elynn | agree with yanyanhu | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | I guess maybe we can split common functiona out | 13:22 |
| lixinhui | despite now, the logic may looks similar but there should be more difference in future | 13:22 |
| haiwei | I am not familiar with placement policy, what about making one multi-region placement policy, the other multi-az placement policy?? | 13:22 |
| lixinhui | :) | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei, yes, maybe we should follow this way | 13:22 |
| elynn | extract common function would be a good idea. | 13:23 |
| lixinhui | I am not sure if this is a right moment to work on trgion | 13:23 |
| elynn | But keep them two policy | 13:23 |
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| lixinhui | what scenarios to drive region work? | 13:23 |
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| yanyanhu | lixinhui, you mean the use case of cross-region node placement? | 13:24 |
| lixinhui | yes | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | I think hybrid cloud is one of them | 13:24 |
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| lixinhui | oh, okay | 13:24 |
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| elynn | lixinhui: And site disaster recovery | 13:25 |
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| lixinhui | okay | 13:25 |
| lixinhui | useful but complex | 13:25 |
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| lixinhui | does current logic of across region well serve the two cases? | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | e.g. you have a small region which undertake your workload in most time. But one day, you find the capacity of this region is insufficient for your workload, you may want to scale into another larger region:) | 13:26 |
| elynn | yes, it might be complicate to handle multi region placement. | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn, lixinhui, yes, we need to think it through | 13:27 |
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| lixinhui | okay, I will read the patch then catch you all for more discussio | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, I think we need more discussion about this topic. Maybe we can first look through these three patches and then make more talk about it :) | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui, thanks:) | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets move on | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | #topic big tent proposal review | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | I saw Qiming just propose a draft about application for bigtent | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234162/ | 13:29 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:29 |
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| yanyanhu | this is a hard work :) | 13:29 |
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| yanyanhu | hope you guys can help to review and any comments will be very helpful | 13:30 |
| elynn | What is big tent for? | 13:30 |
| elynn | Changing namespace from stackforge to openstack? | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, I think it's about the principle for accepting new projects who want to join openstack family | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn, nope I think. That should be the retirement of stackforge | 13:32 |
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| haiwei | elynn, the big tent means all the openstack project | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | let me try to find the patch | 13:32 |
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| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/192016 | 13:32 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, this is the patch and discussion about the retirement of stackforge | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | so I guess also stackforge projects will be migrate to openstack namespace after 17th Oct. | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | if they will | 13:33 |
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| elynn | OK, got it. | 13:34 |
| jruano | big tent carries atc as well | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | but if a project wants to get the approval of TC, it needs to propose the application and accept review | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | jruano, yes | 13:34 |
| elynn | If a project in big tent , that means it's an official and mature project? | 13:34 |
| jruano | yes | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, I guess so | 13:34 |
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| elynn | Cool | 13:34 |
| jruano | blessed by the tc | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | we usually call them 'TC-approved' projects | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:35 |
| haiwei | maybe not mature, but official project | 13:35 |
| lixinhui | :) | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | so we really should try :) | 13:35 |
| jruano | definitely | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | hope more people can join us to make the project better :) | 13:35 |
| haiwei | so help review the patch | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | stronger, more mature | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, appreciated for any suggestion :) | 13:36 |
| elynn | Will review the patch after meeting ;) | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | thanks :) | 13:37 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, let move to next topic | 13:37 |
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| yanyanhu | #topic PTL election | 13:37 |
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| yanyanhu | umm... | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming put this item in the agenda | 13:38 |
| haiwei | it's strange that senlin doesn't have a PTL yet :) | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | we need to make the election now? | 13:38 |
| haiwei | I thought he was the PTL | 13:38 |
| elynn | I thought Qiming was the PTL | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | at least we have a candidates now:) | 13:38 |
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| haiwei | I think since we will elect it, we should do it formally | 13:39 |
| haiwei | like other projects | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so let me start a vote | 13:39 |
| haiwei | use the vote tool | 13:39 |
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| haiwei | cool, yanyanhu | 13:39 |
| elynn | He is the only candidate, still need to vote? | 13:39 |
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| yanyanhu | actually we dont I think :) | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | anyone else want to join the competition? | 13:40 |
| lawrancejing | hmm | 13:40 |
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| yanyanhu | :) | 13:40 |
| elynn | Haha | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | welcome | 13:40 |
| lawrancejing | hahaha | 13:40 |
| haiwei | it is not bad to vote | 13:41 |
| jruano | probably needs to be formal for move to big tent | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | actually after getting familiar with the project, everyone can have a try I think | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | jruano, yes, I guess so | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, so since only one candidate now, I think we can make the decision | 13:42 |
| jruano | i vote qi ming :) | 13:42 |
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| haiwei | +1 | 13:42 |
| elynn | Qiming +1 | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | +1 from me | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, we have decided it | 13:43 |
| lawrancejing | Qiming +1 | 13:43 |
| jruano | hopefully he accepts | 13:43 |
| haiwei | what about senlin-dashboard's PTL? | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | jruano, ;p | 13:43 |
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| haiwei | the same? | 13:44 |
| jruano | lol | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei, nope I think | 13:44 |
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| yanyanhu | they need their own PTL I guess | 13:44 |
| haiwei | need a PTL also? | 13:44 |
| haiwei | not decided here | 13:44 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | not very sure about it, but I guess so | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | I will talk with Qiming and zhengguo about it | 13:44 |
| lawrancejing | senlin-dashboard could have the same PTL -> Qiming | 13:45 |
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| haiwei | maybe zhengguo will run for it | 13:45 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, so I guess a discussion is needed :) | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | since both them are not here, maybe we can talk about it later | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | #topic open discussions | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | so now is the open discussion | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | anyone of you guys have decided to join the summit? | 13:47 |
| haiwei | about the big tent application patch , when is the deadline of review locally? | 13:48 |
| haiwei | I should be there | 13:48 |
| lawrancejing | i will go to the summit | 13:48 |
| elynn | Don't get the ticket from IBM T_T | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei, I'm not sure about it. But I guess there is no deadline for this kind of application | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, sigh... | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, jruano, will you be there | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | and also lixinhui ? | 13:48 |
| jruano | yes i am going | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | cool | 13:49 |
| haiwei | I mean we will push another patch for TC to review after we review it locally | 13:49 |
| jruano | will you be there yanyan | 13:49 |
| elynn | I think you can discuss this patch at summit | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | oh, haiwei, I think after we get feedback from all guys, we can propose the applicatoin formally | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | jruano, yes :) | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | I will go to tokyo with Qiming together | 13:49 |
| jruano | great. we should do a meetup | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, sure | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | definitely | 13:50 |
| haiwei | yes, so I think we need a deadline for the formal proposal, yanyanhu | 13:50 |
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| yanyanhu | haiwei, yes, I guess we will make the proposal before summit | 13:50 |
| haiwei | we should try to be accepted before the summit | 13:51 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | just try our best:) | 13:51 |
| haiwei | is there any information about the meeting room for senlin team? | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei, no yet ;( | 13:51 |
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| haiwei | it seems very limited | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | I guess the meeting room is very limited | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | hope we can get one | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | in worst case, we can have a meal or coffee :) | 13:52 |
| haiwei | there is no big enough place to hold so many people in Tokyo | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | and make our discussion | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | ok, is there any other topics you guys want to discuss? | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | we still have 5 mins left | 13:54 |
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| haiwei | no from me | 13:54 |
| jruano | im good | 13:55 |
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| elynn | not for me | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, lawrancejing, lixinhui, anything else? | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so lets end the meeting | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | thank you so much for joining :) | 13:56 |
| haiwei | by the way, good job for charging the meeting | 13:56 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks :) | 13:56 |
| haiwei | yanyanhu | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | lets move back to senlin channel and release the meeting channel | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 13:56:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-10-13-13.00.html | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-10-13-13.00.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-10-13-13.00.log.html | 13:56 |
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| * carl_baldwin wondering if he missed a notice cancelling the Neutron drivers meeting. | 15:03 | |
| kevinbenton | We're all deadlocked waiting for someone else to start :) | 15:03 |
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| armax | hi guys | 15:05 |
| armax | sorry I am late | 15:05 |
| armax | do we have quorum? | 15:06 |
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| kevinbenton | amotoki: ping | 15:07 |
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| amotoki | hi | 15:07 |
| armax | dougwig: ping | 15:07 |
| armax | mestery: ping | 15:07 |
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| mestery | armax: Howdy! I will be here for about 30 minutes or so :) | 15:08 |
| kevinbenton | So Doug might be the only one missing | 15:08 |
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| armax | I am figuring out whether we need an RC3 | 15:09 |
| mestery | I don't think we do, do we armax ? | 15:09 |
| armax | we had too many breakages this week | 15:09 |
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| mestery | Yeah | 15:10 |
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| armax | ok, let’s cancel this one..I am sorry but there’s too much fire fighting to do | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: ack and thanks | 15:11 |
| kevinbenton | Ok | 15:11 |
| mestery | thanks armax | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Let me know if I need to join the firefight. | 15:11 |
| armax | my apologises for not giving you notice | 15:11 |
| amotoki | ack and thanks | 15:11 |
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| armax | just one update | 15:12 |
| armax | I did clean up the RFE bug list according to last week’s decision of using an rfe-approved bug | 15:12 |
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| asselin__ | #startmeeting third-party | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 17:02:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:02 |
| asselin__ | hi, who's here from 3rd party working meeting? | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | hey asselin__ :) | 17:02 |
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| skylerberg | Here | 17:03 |
| sweston | \o | 17:03 |
| asselin__ | Hi, sorry I'm late, dealing with some internal issues | 17:03 |
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| asselin__ | #topic announcements | 17:04 |
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| asselin__ | anyone have any announcements? | 17:04 |
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| mmedvede | just a reminder on stackforge deprecation | 17:05 |
| skylerberg | The governance patch merged this morning for CI Watch. | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | \o/ | 17:05 |
| asselin__ | congrats :) | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | I wonder what would be the next step for to add ciwatch cores | 17:05 |
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| asselin__ | good question, fungi was going to nominate, we should ask again in -infra or in the meeting today. | 17:06 |
| fungi | nominate for...? | 17:06 |
| fungi | oh | 17:06 |
| asselin__ | ci-watch core | 17:06 |
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| fungi | i'll add them, just let me know who should be reviewing/approving | 17:07 |
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| asselin__ | I'll nominate skylerberg and mmedvede for your nomination :) | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | asselin__ is already core there, I believe | 17:07 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: I accept the nomination :) | 17:08 |
| asselin__ | really? I thought I was there for 2 minutes only. :) | 17:08 |
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| mmedvede | oh, maybe | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | I did not check again | 17:08 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah need to run our script to fix up those groups first. doing that now | 17:08 |
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| asselin__ | thanks fungi | 17:10 |
| mmedvede | thank you fungi | 17:10 |
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| asselin__ | another announcement: single-node ci puppet class landed last week https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/ | 17:10 |
| fungi | skylerberg: what's your gerrit name/id/something? | 17:10 |
| skylerberg | fungi: sberg | 17:11 |
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| fungi | mmedvede: and yours? | 17:11 |
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| mmedvede | fungi: should be msmedved | 17:12 |
| mmedvede | or mmedvede, email mmedvede@us.ibm.com | 17:12 |
| fungi | asselin__: skylerberg: mmedvede: welcome to ciwatch-core | 17:12 |
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| skylerberg | fungi: thanks :) | 17:12 |
| asselin__ | thanks :) | 17:12 |
| mmedvede | fungi: \o/ | 17:12 |
| asselin__ | let me fun begin | 17:13 |
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| mmedvede | yay, can do some merging there, finally | 17:13 |
| fungi | thank you all! | 17:13 |
| asselin__ | what a great annoucement :) | 17:13 |
| asselin__ | #topic open discussion | 17:14 |
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| mmedvede | ok, so I did more work on puppet-ciwatch module | 17:14 |
| asselin__ | so there's no agenda today (my bad) | 17:14 |
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| asselin__ | #topic puppet-ciwatch | 17:14 |
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| mmedvede | and deployed ciwatch internally | 17:14 |
| mmedvede | #link WIP puppet-ciwatch https://review.openstack.org/226089 | 17:14 |
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| mmedvede | plus there are two patches to get official home for puppet module | 17:15 |
| mmedvede | #link project config patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231699/ | 17:15 |
| mmedvede | #link governance https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231698/ | 17:16 |
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| mmedvede | the module does deploy with mysql | 17:16 |
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| mmedvede | I wondered if we should use postgres instead, skylerberg mentioned that is what was used for http://ci-watch.tintri.com | 17:17 |
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| asselin__ | cool! | 17:17 |
| mmedvede | I need to run is longer. E.g. today for no apparent reason mysqld stopped on my server | 17:17 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: I think mysql should be fine. | 17:18 |
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| mmedvede | skylerberg: would you have time to do any work on ciwatch? I was thinking to maybe to transition to cookiecutter -generated project structure | 17:20 |
| mmedvede | #link https://github.com/openstack-dev/cookiecutter | 17:20 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: Yes, I will have some time, but it will be limited and unpredictable. | 17:20 |
| mmedvede | basically, it creates all we need to enable infra tests, and more | 17:20 |
| asselin_ | Hi sorry dropped | 17:20 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: Sounds like a good idea. | 17:21 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I was suggesting to use openstack-dev/cookiecutter template on ciwatch | 17:21 |
| asselin_ | +1 | 17:21 |
| skylerberg | Let's use https://launchpad.net/ciwatch to start tracking changes we want to make. | 17:21 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: good point | 17:22 |
| mmedvede | should we also use bugs to track features we want to implement? | 17:22 |
| skylerberg | Then I can assign tasks to myself when I do have time. | 17:22 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: That is what I was thinking. | 17:22 |
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| skylerberg | I am open to other suggestions though. | 17:23 |
| asselin_ | skylerberg, I think you can add myself and mmedvede to the maintainers | 17:23 |
| asselin_ | https://launchpad.net/~ciwatch-drivers/+members | 17:23 |
| mmedvede | works for me to use launchpad for task tracking/ division | 17:23 |
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| skylerberg | asselin_, mmedvede: What are your launchpad ids? | 17:24 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: https://launchpad.net/~msmedved | 17:24 |
| asselin_ | ramy-asselin | 17:24 |
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| skylerberg | done | 17:25 |
| asselin_ | thanks | 17:26 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, let us know when we should start reviewing the patches | 17:26 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: I think it is safe to merge the ciwatch patches that are just history transfer from third-party-ci-tools | 17:27 |
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| asselin_ | +1, I meant the puppet-ciwatch ones, or should we wait until they're proposed to the new puppet-ciwatch project | 17:28 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: as I would work on puppet-ciwatch, I'll find more things to fix in ciwatch itself | 17:28 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: oh, that one we should not merge | 17:28 |
| mmedvede | :) | 17:28 |
| asselin_ | ok, so let's merge the historical changes, apply cookiecutter on ciwatch, and review the puppet-ciwatch project-config patch so we can get that started. | 17:30 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: +1, that would get us moving. puppet-ciwatch can also start using the new ciwatch source | 17:31 |
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| asselin_ | +1 | 17:31 |
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| asselin_ | and start to use launchpad to track issues/features | 17:31 |
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| asselin_ | anything else? | 17:32 |
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| mmedvede | on ciwatch, I had question to skylerberg | 17:33 |
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| mmedvede | but can talk later, if we have something else to discuss now | 17:33 |
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| asselin_ | I wanted to discuss summit planning a bit. mmedvede will you be there? | 17:34 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: Go ahead | 17:34 |
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| mmedvede | skylerberg: is there any reason that gerrit events are first stored into test log, and then can be loaded to db separately. | 17:35 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: no, unfortunately would not make it to summit. Next one definitely | 17:35 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: That is mostly for testing during development. I wanted to be able to quickly populate the database with real data after making changes to the database schema. | 17:36 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: ok. I figured it was for historical reason. Was not apparent that it is not necessary to manually run db populate | 17:37 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: Correct. It was useful during development because I could load in a log from the event stream even if I didn't have ciwatch running. | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: it is a good thing to have. Just need to update the doc later | 17:38 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I have nothing else, please proceed | 17:39 |
| asselin_ | I also think it's useful | 17:39 |
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| asselin_ | for development & testing | 17:39 |
| mmedvede | on a tangent, I was thinking it might be possible to seed the db from zuul logs | 17:40 |
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| asselin_ | that's true, the debug logs capture the gerrit event stream | 17:40 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: That could be nice. It would be great to have a data source that sticks around. Right now if there is a networking problem, data is missed and can't be found. | 17:40 |
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| mmedvede | also, it seems like it does not add duplicates, so you can seed it from different sources, if I am correct, and fill the gaps | 17:41 |
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| asselin_ | this is one of the disadvantages of reading the event stream. perhaps it would be good to also be able to queury the gerrit database | 17:41 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: That is correct. However, the new sources should be more current than old source or entries could be changed to not reflect a recheck. | 17:42 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: real-time stream is nice, because it is real-time. But could add a check to validate if any events are missing, and use gerrit api to fill it | 17:42 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: +1 | 17:43 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, +1 | 17:43 |
| mmedvede | I would not worry about it now though, there are more important things to be done first :) | 17:43 |
| asselin_ | +1 | 17:43 |
| skylerberg | +1 | 17:43 |
| mmedvede | thank you :) | 17:43 |
| asselin_ | yeah that can be added after the initial version is deployed | 17:43 |
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| asselin_ | another issue I've noticed but didn't get a chance to confirm is that rechecks don't populate in ci-watch | 17:44 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: did you see any problems with db getting big after awhile? | 17:44 |
| skylerberg | asselin_: I should test it more, but they should update it. | 17:44 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: yes, we also do not have general -1 (e.g. -1 that are not from failed job, but from failed merge) | 17:44 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: I didn't see that, but I didn't haveit running that long and it was growing slowly. | 17:45 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: We could ask apoorvad to check how large the db is now. | 17:45 |
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| skylerberg | We should periodically purge old entries from the db. | 17:46 |
| apoorvad | skylerberg: I will let you know in a few | 17:47 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: maybe purge largest items sooner? e.g. comments | 17:47 |
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| skylerberg | apoorvad: Thanks! | 17:47 |
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| mmedvede | the older data is useful to have locally, e.g. simple fail/success should not take much space, but should allow to do stats | 17:48 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: Yes, that would work. | 17:48 |
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| asselin_ | Yeah I don't think comments are needed at all, right? | 17:48 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: we got into feature discussion, sorry, we can get it done later, and open launchpad bugs for it | 17:48 |
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| asselin_ | mmedvede, no problem, I don't think there are any other topics, and its' just the 3 of us | 17:49 |
| asselin_ | and this is an important topic ;) | 17:49 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: you wanted to talk about summit planning | 17:49 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: yes, I like talking about features :) | 17:50 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, well seems to be just me here going :) | 17:50 |
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| asselin_ | we don't have any official slots, but we can setup some unofficial talks. I'll reach out to the mailing list | 17:51 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: advertise the working group there, more people here is better | 17:52 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, +1 | 17:52 |
| mmedvede | more third-party CIs | 17:52 |
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| asselin_ | yeah, we can try to recruit people to work on ciwatch as well | 17:52 |
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| mmedvede | +1 | 17:52 |
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| skylerberg | +1 :) | 17:53 |
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| asselin_ | anything else you'd like to see happen? | 17:53 |
| mmedvede | on ciwatch? | 17:53 |
| asselin_ | in general for 3rd party ci | 17:54 |
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| mmedvede | during the summit? | 17:54 |
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| asselin_ | for the next 6 months | 17:54 |
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| mmedvede | well, need to continue downstream-puppet effort | 17:54 |
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| mmedvede | it helps a lot | 17:55 |
| asselin_ | ci-watch, migrate people over to common-ci/downstream-puppet | 17:55 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: you did a lot of good work there already | 17:55 |
| apoorvad | http://paste.openstack.org/show/476170/ | 17:55 |
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| asselin_ | trying to see what's the next big thing needed, but perhaps just getting those two solid would be great | 17:56 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: yes | 17:57 |
| mmedvede | apoorvad: so it is 140 MB? | 17:57 |
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| mmedvede | 140 Kb does not seem sane | 17:58 |
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| skylerberg | apoorvad: the database should be postgres. I am not sure why mariadb would be on that system. | 17:58 |
| apoorvad | Hmmm. That seems too small to me | 17:58 |
| apoorvad | too | 17:58 |
| asselin_ | ok, if there's nothing else I'd like to end the meeting. we can continue on openstack-third-party-ci | 17:58 |
| asselin_ | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| mmedvede | apoorvad: thank you for looking it up | 17:58 |
| asselin__ | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 17:59:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-13-17.02.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-13-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-13-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
| stevemar_ | o/ | 17:59 |
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| stevemar_ | ping for ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rharwood, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub | 17:59 |
| marekd | o\ | 17:59 |
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| tsymanczyk | \o | 17:59 |
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| ericksonsantos | \o | 17:59 |
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| raildo | o/ | 17:59 |
| browne | o/ | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | stevemar_ o/ | 17:59 |
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| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| ayoung | hello | 18:00 |
| stevemar_ | howdy | 18:00 |
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| stevemar_ | lets roll | 18:00 |
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| stevemar_ | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 18:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| breton | o/ | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:00 |
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| stevemar_ | #topic design summit | 18:00 |
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| stevemar_ | the schedule is out | 18:01 |
| stevemar_ | well, the keystone one anyway | 18:01 |
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| stevemar_ | #link https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/Keystone#.VhQoFBNVhBc | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | stevemar_: nice work | 18:01 |
| stevemar_ | i've created etherpads for all the sessions, and pre-populated them with content from our brain dump | 18:01 |
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| samueldmq | oi :) | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | we can take tuesday off | 18:01 |
| dolphm | cross-project day | 18:02 |
| morgan | bknudson: I heard we also get to take monday off | 18:02 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson: there are a few cross project sessions you should consider going to | 18:02 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson-bot does not take days off | 18:02 |
| gyee | like what, service catalog? :) | 18:02 |
| morgan | gyee: yes | 18:02 |
| marekd | stevemar_: is the scedule for x-project ? | 18:02 |
| morgan | but other general x-project | 18:02 |
| topol | 0/ | 18:02 |
| marekd | is there a schedule out for x-project? | 18:02 |
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| morgan | marekd: there was a ML topic just sent out for feedback on it | 18:02 |
| morgan | maybe an hour ago? | 18:03 |
| stevemar_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning | 18:03 |
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| stevemar_ | that's the current plan for x-project session | 18:03 |
| stevemar_ | there are A LOT | 18:03 |
| stevemar_ | theres even one for federation | 18:03 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:03 |
| marekd | stevemar_: can't be! | 18:03 |
| stevemar_ | at line 605ish, | 18:03 |
| topol | what day is cross project/ | 18:03 |
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| marekd | tuesday | 18:03 |
| ayoung | there was some discussion from sdague and dhelman about the policu X=project | 18:03 |
| topol | cool | 18:03 |
| stevemar_ | topol: it spans many days i think | 18:03 |
| stevemar_ | ayoung: there is one for policy too! | 18:03 |
| ayoung | I think the focus will be on Bug 968696 issue | 18:04 |
| openstack | bug 968696 in Keystone ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 - Assigned to Adam Young (ayoung) | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | all the summit topics should be cross-project | 18:04 |
| bknudson | we have a meetup for intra-project | 18:04 |
| gyee | ayoung, yay, congress | 18:04 |
| gyee | I mean policy | 18:04 |
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| stevemar_ | so if folks want to add more context to the federation and policy x-project session that would be cool :) | 18:05 |
| stevemar_ | marekd: i think they want actionable items, even if it's just a call to action for more projects to be aware of it | 18:06 |
| htruta | stevemar_: the HMT one is very raw too | 18:06 |
| marekd | stevemar_: so this voting on the etherpad was for everybody or some super heroes? | 18:06 |
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| stevemar_ | marekd: lol i think it's just for TC | 18:06 |
| htruta | for what I've been seeing in liberty, we may have some other things to discuss there | 18:06 |
| stevemar_ | they are kinda like a justice league... | 18:06 |
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| marekd | stevemar_: that's what i meant | 18:07 |
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| stevemar_ | any other questions about the design sessions :) | 18:07 |
| stevemar_ | requests / comments / don't throw tomatoes at me | 18:07 |
| marekd | just kudos | 18:07 |
| stevemar_ | if the area is something you're interested in, please try to populate the etherpad, it's in the sched link | 18:08 |
| gyee | stevemar_, so Friday meetups are going to be like last time at Vancouver? | 18:08 |
| gyee | do whatever | 18:08 |
| stevemar_ | gyee: yep | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | stevemar_: I think the sched looks good, nicely done :) | 18:08 |
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| stevemar_ | i think bknudson wants us to all do code-reviews that day :) | 18:08 |
| gyee | sure, that'll work | 18:08 |
| raildo | stevemar_: can we create a hangout air in the design session for who are not attending the summit? :) | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | just curious, but are we going to plan on leveraging monday for anything? | 18:09 |
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| marekd | lbragstad: there is no summit on monday | 18:09 |
| stevemar_ | raildo: hmm, i will try. at the minimum we'll be updating the etherpad as we go | 18:09 |
| bknudson | I assume you're all doing code reviews all the time. | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:09 |
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| raildo | stevemar_: ok :) | 18:09 |
| htruta | bknudson: we are :D | 18:09 |
| stevemar_ | lbragstad: monday is for touring tokyo | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | i imagine that would be the "get into town and get acclimated" day | 18:09 |
| dolphm | Mobile* code reviews | 18:09 |
| stevemar_ | yep | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | ok, works for me | 18:10 |
| stevemar_ | alrighty, neeeeext | 18:10 |
| gyee | I plan on hanging out with the ninjas | 18:10 |
| stevemar_ | jamielennox: you around? | 18:10 |
| jamielennox | yea | 18:10 |
| bknudson | if you can find the ninjas they're not very good ones. | 18:10 |
| stevemar_ | #topic auth plugins | 18:10 |
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| stevemar_ | this was something that bknudson brought up in this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177227/ | 18:11 |
| stevemar_ | basically, should we be leveraging "extras" instead of creating new repos | 18:11 |
| bknudson | we've got too many repos | 18:11 |
| gyee | oh the package dependency thingy | 18:11 |
| stevemar_ | the justification for keystoneauth-saml2 was because we didn't want to force folks to carry lxml | 18:12 |
| marekd | yes | 18:12 |
| stevemar_ | but with setuptools 'extras' we can specify it in setup.cfg | 18:12 |
| jamielennox | similarly kerberos | 18:12 |
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| stevemar_ | and it's not there by default | 18:12 |
| stevemar_ | jamielennox: yep | 18:12 |
| bknudson | I think reviews will go faster if we have fewer repos | 18:12 |
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| stevemar_ | so, is this something we want to set a precedent for? | 18:12 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson: agreed | 18:12 |
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| jamielennox | if we can squeeze them back into the repo then that would be easier | 18:13 |
| bknudson | only trick might be that we have to do optional imports or something. | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: yep | 18:13 |
| stevemar_ | thats only 1 issue, packaging and consumability are others | 18:13 |
| marekd | bknudson: how does that work? | 18:13 |
| bknudson | try: import lxml except ImportError: lxml = None | 18:13 |
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| marekd | bknudson: oh lol | 18:13 |
| marekd | this way | 18:13 |
| bknudson | I think we have that in a few places already | 18:13 |
| marekd | bknudson: yes | 18:13 |
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| marekd | i thought there was smarter way | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | i'm still not sure how packaging is going to handle this - but i guess that's not a problem for here | 18:14 |
| bknudson | there's probably something fancy with optional imports. | 18:14 |
| gyee | silent failure is not good for supportability | 18:14 |
| marekd | bknudson: a decorator or generator | 18:14 |
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| dstanek | stevemar_: yes, not sure how distro packaging would work unless they just included the kitchen sink | 18:14 |
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| stevemar_ | dstanek: well that's an issue for keystone right now isn't it? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | similar to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystoneclient/tree/keystoneclient/__init__.py | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | gyee: it's not silent - they just don't raise the error until you actually try to use them | 18:15 |
| marekd | bknudson: jamielennox bknudson: so how is it going to work...i pip install keystoneauth and need to install lxml by hand? | 18:15 |
| stevemar_ | we do this technique with ldap now | 18:15 |
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| bknudson | pip install keystonauth[saml] | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | marekd: pip install keystoneauth[saml2] | 18:15 |
| stevemar_ | i think there's a specific keystone-ldap package | 18:15 |
| stevemar_ | jamielennox: bknudson not using pip though | 18:15 |
| dstanek | stevemar_: yep, i hear the complaints. that's why i say that :-) | 18:15 |
| bknudson | packagers can handle it however they want to. | 18:15 |
| bknudson | if I was a packager I'd just put it all in keystoneauth | 18:16 |
| marekd | jamielennox: bknudson: ok, any code that already does that so i can start working on squeezing saml2 coe into ksa ? | 18:16 |
| gyee | jamielennox, ok, that's fine then | 18:16 |
| ayoung | I hate SAML | 18:16 |
| marekd | ayoung: me too | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | lxml is an easy dep to carry really, kerberos not so much | 18:16 |
| stevemar_ | zigo: you around? | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | if i was packaging this i'd just rely on lxml | 18:17 |
| ayoung | Kerberos really should be an optional dependency on the session, not on the auth plugin anyway | 18:17 |
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| gyee | ayoung, so is x.509 | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | marekd: if you can take a look at it and propose the change and it looks good I think we should go with it. | 18:17 |
| ayoung | gyee, X509 is part of the HTTP code base, though | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: x509 is both, kerberos not so much | 18:17 |
| stevemar_ | #action get input from packagers for handling optional libs | 18:18 |
| bknudson | we never released keystoneauth-saml2? | 18:18 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson: correct | 18:18 |
| edmondsw | I would certainly hope distros DON'T include everything as prereqs just because one extra does... leave it up to the operator/ansible/etc. to determine what they need and don't need for optional dependencies | 18:18 |
| bknudson | we'll lose the git history unless we do something drastic | 18:18 |
| edmondsw | they can do that easily enough by looking at the setup.cfg | 18:18 |
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| dstanek | edmondsw: do you see the setup.cfg when you install the package? | 18:19 |
| edmondsw | no, but you see it in git :) | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | edmondsw: who would be looking at setup.cfg though? | 18:19 |
| stevemar_ | meh, i'll poke around and ask zigo, i'll report my findings to the ML | 18:19 |
| edmondsw | guys writing ansible/etc. | 18:20 |
| marekd | bknudson: i can propose something, but i am not sure how i should structure the code so there is any distinction between pip install keystoneauth and pip install[saml2] | 18:20 |
| edmondsw | and let's face it... operators who aren't using something like that already have to go to git | 18:20 |
| marekd | pip install keystoneauth[saml2] | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | stevemar_: i think it's one you should take to the list, lifeless will have an opinion and i'm sure the packagers will as well | 18:20 |
| stevemar_ | marekd: just gotta create entry points | 18:20 |
| marekd | stevemar_: aha | 18:20 |
| marekd | ok | 18:20 |
| stevemar_ | jamielennox: cool | 18:20 |
| bknudson | marekd: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/setup.cfg#n25 | 18:20 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: that's part of the complaining i hear | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | marekd: have a look, keystone itself does it | 18:20 |
| edmondsw | dstanek, what is? | 18:20 |
| stevemar_ | we already do this in keystone proper with our ldap support | 18:20 |
| marekd | jamielennox: ok | 18:21 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: stevemar_: context? | 18:21 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: what's going to happen with packaging if we put lots of pip optional dependencies | 18:21 |
| marekd | stevemar_: ok, so i am good | 18:21 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: having to go to git to figure it out | 18:21 |
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| stevemar_ | lifeless: impact to packagers when setuptools has 'extra' dependcies | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: keystoneauth[saml2] | 18:21 |
| edmondsw | dstanek, that's unsolvable | 18:21 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: and setup.cfg doesn't actually tell you what you need for a feature. | 18:21 |
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| edmondsw | dstanek, oh, but it does... | 18:21 |
| lifeless | ah right - so they translate to recommended dependencies in the distro world typically | 18:21 |
| edmondsw | that's exactly what the extras do | 18:21 |
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| lifeless | they can in principle be translated to helper packages that only express tings in the dependency graph | 18:22 |
| stevemar_ | lifeless: sounds like everything is packaged in | 18:22 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: nope, between ubuntu and fedora they have different package names | 18:22 |
| bknudson | lifeless: have you heard any complaints from distros about use of extras? | 18:22 |
| lifeless | e.g. in Debian it might be python-keystoneauth-saml2 which is empty but has dependencies on the saml2 deps | 18:22 |
| lifeless | bknudson: I have not | 18:22 |
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| lifeless | bknudson: but that is likely low use measurement bias | 18:22 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: and then there have been times in the past where a python lib packaged for a dist also have a dep that you have to install | 18:23 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: sometimes it's pretty hard | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: so i only know rpm and the recommended doesn't exist there, but do we need to structure this to ensure they are seperatable? | 18:23 |
| stevemar_ | lifeless: so in keystone you can do pip install keystone[ldap], does that mean there's a keystone-ldap package? | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | lifeless: like obviously having things that might be split be in an __all__ is going to cause problems there | 18:23 |
| lifeless | stevemar_: there's a couple different ways it could be translated; thats one of them yes | 18:23 |
| edmondsw | dstanek, setup.cfg will tell you what you need in python terms... yes, the distro might name their rpm/deb a little differently, but it shouldn't be hard to find | 18:24 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: so stuff in __all__ has to be defined always (but could be None) | 18:24 |
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| lifeless | and we can certainly make recommendations in pbr's docs for redistributors | 18:24 |
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| lifeless | so I think yeah, a list thread is a good idea | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | stevemar_: i think keystone itself is less of a concern because it really doesn't matter if you have some extra packages there, keystoneauth on the other hand will be installed everywhere | 18:24 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: marekd: it can't be imported by default, so check out the lazy importer we use in ksc -- http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystoneclient/tree/keystoneclient/__init__.py#n52 | 18:24 |
| lifeless | I don't see any reason why it should make packagers grumpy (other than it being churn vs the status quo) | 18:25 |
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| lifeless | It should be trivially handlable in deb/rpm/arch etc | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: that got us around a very specific problem, i don't think we should intend to use that always | 18:25 |
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| lifeless | (since the minimum mechanical transform is an empty dep-only package) | 18:25 |
| lifeless | and every system can do tht | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: oh, not actually split the code out into new packages, just the deps | 18:26 |
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| jamielennox | lifeless: makes more sense, not sure what i was thinking | 18:26 |
| lifeless | jamielennox: yeah, extras do not imply code split out at all | 18:27 |
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| jamielennox | i guess because we have/can do a clean split between deps | 18:27 |
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| stevemar_ | (gonna switch topics in 3 minutes to make sure we have enough time) | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | stevemar_: do it, resolve to get packager input on list | 18:27 |
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| bknudson | would it be better to split out the code? if so let's keep separate repos. it's not that big of a deal | 18:27 |
| stevemar_ | jamielennox: rgr | 18:27 |
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| lifeless | bknudson: that can have high friction costs | 18:27 |
| stevemar_ | to the mailing list! | 18:27 |
| stevemar_ | #topic functional tests in keystone | 18:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "functional tests in keystone (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:28 | |
| lifeless | bknudson: I really think its worth keeping dev easy and low-friction if the externalities are tolerable | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: lets see what packagers say, if it's a problem we keep the repos beause we have them anyway | 18:28 |
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| stevemar_ | marekd dstanek the floor is yours | 18:28 |
| ayoung | So...looking in to getting IPA up and working for Functional testing...does it have to be Ubuntu 14.04? | 18:28 |
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| edmondsw | keystone is carrying several optional dependencies in requirements.txt that should really be extras in setup.cfg... passlib, oauthlib, pysaml2 | 18:28 |
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| stevemar_ | mtreinish: fyi ^ | 18:28 |
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| stevemar_ | edmondsw: file a bug :P | 18:29 |
| edmondsw | yeah :) | 18:29 |
| lifeless | ayoung: we have centos slaves | 18:29 |
| marekd | dstanek: here? | 18:29 |
| lifeless | ayoung: I'm not sure if there are fedora slaves offhand | 18:29 |
| bknudson | centos for python 2.6? | 18:29 |
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| dstanek | stevemar_: i think marekd was just worried about the path we are taking | 18:29 |
| ayoung | lifeless, centos? Ubuntu Later than 14.04? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | Centos 7? | 18:29 |
| dstanek | and if it jives with everyone else | 18:29 |
| marekd | so we basically had a discussion about functional tests and whether things like that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203258/ is fine | 18:30 |
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| bknudson | before we go adding a bunch of functional tests there should be a gate job that at least verifies it works. | 18:30 |
| stevemar_ | marekd: dstanek i think it's good to make sure everyone else knows whats up | 18:30 |
| bknudson | or we need to come up with some way to verify | 18:30 |
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| marekd | i remember last week there was a concern that functional tests should validate backend (mysql, postgres) not just API responses | 18:30 |
| dstanek | the new question is where do the tests go? in keystone or in tempest | 18:30 |
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| stevemar_ | dstanek: i'd definitely say keystone | 18:31 |
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| marekd | ^^ yes, then the convo earlier on evolved into something like that :-) | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | i'm guessing it depends what you want the tests for | 18:31 |
| stevemar_ | we can review the tests ourselves | 18:31 |
| marekd | jamielennox: i personally want to be automatize real workflows | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | if you want them as part of the gate then keystone, if you want them as part of like a validation suite then tempest | 18:31 |
| bknudson | we can review changes to tempest, too | 18:31 |
| marekd | real interaction between keystone and idp | 18:31 |
| bknudson | and maybe they're faster at doing reviews than we are | 18:32 |
| marekd | real interaction between ksa/ksc and some server (when testing clients) | 18:32 |
| marekd | without any mocks | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | marekd: that sounds like testing, so i'd say keystone/ksa | 18:32 |
| mordred | ayoung: we have centos7, fedora22 and ubuntu-trusty available | 18:32 |
| marekd | jamielennox: yes | 18:32 |
| ayoung | mordred, OK, Centos7 is trivial, as is F22 | 18:32 |
| marekd | jamielennox: you know, every change we do with federation i have to build my own env, setup, and run some code to make sure it works... | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: are they faster? | 18:33 |
| mordred | marekd: fwiw, we have functional tests in the shade repo that consume ksa and ksc to do things | 18:33 |
| marekd | mordred: great, we now need to have something for both federations for instance :-) | 18:33 |
| mordred | marekd: I know that does not solve your immediate concern - but just to let you know there are some consume non-mocked tests running currently | 18:33 |
| mordred | marekd: I have nothing configured to test any auth plugins other than v2password and v3password :) | 18:34 |
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| jamielennox | marekd: completely agree | 18:34 |
| dstanek | bknudson: my concern is i don't have any clarity for what they will accept and what they won't | 18:34 |
| marekd | mordred: clients was just a part of the 'problem' i think and my understanding federation (as it needs 3rd party peer) is in the greaest need | 18:34 |
| bknudson | there's some review stats on http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/keystone-openreviews.html vs http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tempest-openreviews.html | 18:34 |
| lifeless | mordred: why is nodepool openstck config in system-config? or perhaps I just don't understand the split | 18:34 |
| mordred | marekd: ah! gotcha | 18:34 |
| marekd | mordred: we first need to be able to automatically build federation setup and be able to test server, than we can proceed to clients. | 18:35 |
| bknudson | dstanek: I don't know if they have specs or blueprints? probably. | 18:35 |
| mordred | lifeless: because it's templated via puppet because there are things we need to put into via config - project-config is all static files | 18:35 |
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| mordred | marekd: this makes sense to me. I will be looking forward to copying and abusing your work once it's done... | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | marekd: do we care about multi-machine setups here? | 18:36 |
| bknudson | dstanek: we do have a qa liaison... | 18:36 |
| lifeless | mordred: ah, I thought project-config was 'things for openstack' vs system-config of 'things for folk to reuse' | 18:36 |
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| stevemar_ | bknudson: dstanek let's keep the functional tests in house for now | 18:36 |
| mordred | as I want to test that federation works from my side too, but I have no idea how to set it up | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | mordred, I can help | 18:36 |
| marekd | jamielennox: we will need two keystones for k2k, but i think we agreed that we will try with single machine at the moment. | 18:36 |
| bknudson | can we get a gate job that runs the functional tests? | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | marekd: is it enough to run the IDP on the keystone box and assume we didn't fake anything or do you want to do proper multiple machines | 18:36 |
| marekd | jamielennox: idp like pysaml2 - agreed | 18:36 |
| bknudson | (the functional tests that we have now) | 18:36 |
| mordred | bknudson: that would be awesome | 18:36 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yes, i'll work on getting one up | 18:36 |
| stevemar_ | dstanek: bknudson: that would be great | 18:37 |
| bknudson | stevemar_: only great? | 18:37 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i'll add you to the review so i can get your +1 :-) | 18:37 |
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| stevemar_ | bknudson: fantabulous? | 18:37 |
| bknudson | that's better | 18:37 |
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| stevemar_ | dstanek: make it non-voting initially | 18:37 |
| stevemar_ | or do an experimental job | 18:38 |
| dstanek | i agree with Tony the Tiger - it's greeeeeaaaat | 18:38 |
| marekd | anyway, guys, please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203258/ and up | 18:38 |
| stevemar_ | #action review marek's functional test patches and staneks new gate job | 18:38 |
| stevemar_ | #action review all the things | 18:38 |
| stevemar_ | #undo | 18:38 |
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| marekd | i will be adding more and proceed to something more fancy - authentication. | 18:38 |
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| bknudson | JFDI | 18:39 |
| stevemar_ | alright | 18:39 |
| marekd | stevemar_: he he | 18:39 |
| mordred | jamielennox: fwiw, we do have mulit-node testing available should you decide you need it | 18:39 |
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| marekd | mordred: oh, great | 18:39 |
| marekd | we might need one | 18:39 |
| marekd | at some point for k2k | 18:39 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson: you have the right attitide there | 18:39 |
| dstanek | mordred: decided. we need ot | 18:39 |
| dstanek | errr. it | 18:39 |
| mordred | cool. we use it to test live migrations currently | 18:39 |
| marekd | uness we can run two keystones on one VM | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | mordred: sweet, they managed to get that going | 18:39 |
| mordred | oh yah | 18:39 |
| bknudson | just use docker. | 18:40 |
| mordred | clarkb is your man who actually fully understands it | 18:40 |
| marekd | noted | 18:40 |
| mordred | bknudson: let's not just use docker - we have absolutely no pre-caching infrastructure for docker in the gate | 18:40 |
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| clarkb | you could just run two keystones | 18:40 |
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| clarkb | without extra containers or dockers | 18:40 |
| mordred | which isn't to say we shouldn't grow some - but I believe you'll find getting that solid to be more work than not using it in this particular case | 18:40 |
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| jamielennox | right, we should always be able to run this on different ports or set it up to work | 18:41 |
| bknudson | we'll need multiple dbs | 18:41 |
| dstanek | yes, backends are the issue | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | right - devstack is not going to handle this | 18:42 |
| marekd | bknudson: yeah, that's the concern | 18:42 |
| bknudson | all it takes is to pass a different db name. | 18:42 |
| stevemar_ | we still need a bunch of devstack plugins, like the ones dstanek was making | 18:42 |
| marekd | stanek was proposing devstack booting a VM with a keystone configured there :D | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | what about a different table? | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | it's just multiple config files | 18:42 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, nope | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | nvm | 18:42 |
| gyee | can we also have multiple instances of shibd on a same node? | 18:42 |
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| marekd | gyee: which part? | 18:43 |
| stevemar_ | lbragstad: one day | 18:43 |
| ayoung | Can a Keystone K2K with itself? | 18:43 |
| gyee | marekd, for k2k we need shibd | 18:43 |
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| marekd | ayoung: it should | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: lol, umm.... i don't know | 18:43 |
| gyee | ayoung, it can | 18:43 |
| ayoung | Make that work | 18:43 |
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| marekd | ayoung: such config is so ridiculous i've never tried that but.... | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | i'm not sure we should consider that a successful functional test | 18:43 |
| marekd | jamielennox: exactly | 18:44 |
| stevemar_ | meh, this is all getting a bit off topic, there are other functional configurations, not just k2k | 18:44 |
| gyee | marekd, we tried it and it works fine | 18:44 |
| * marekd k2k is still far away in the functioal tests island | 18:44 | |
| stevemar_ | ++ | 18:44 |
| stevemar_ | lets give ayoung some time to chat about admin-ness | 18:44 |
| marekd | gyee: aha, good to know stuff i helped to make works :-) | 18:44 |
| ayoung | Yay | 18:44 |
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| stevemar_ | #topic Supressing admin role for non-admin projects | 18:45 |
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| stevemar_ | ayoung: ^ | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | so, the fix is to only allow the admin role on the admin proejct | 18:45 |
| ayoung | why? | 18:45 |
| stevemar_ | ayoung: please tell us | 18:46 |
| ayoung | becasue so mnuch is hard coded to only check the admin role. THis, essentially, communicates which project is "admin" | 18:46 |
| ayoung | Ok,. lets start with Henrynashs suggestion | 18:46 |
| bknudson | you don't want admin project to be able to boot instances and stuff, right? | 18:46 |
| gyee | admin should be by choice no accident :) | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, don't care if the ydo, not what it is there for though | 18:46 |
| ayoung | "make people update policy" | 18:47 |
| ayoung | we can't./..most people don't touch policy | 18:47 |
| ayoung | and, even if we were, we would have no way to clear;y communicate "this is the admin project" | 18:47 |
| ayoung | we'd have to templatize all of the policy files in glance neutron nova etc | 18:47 |
| ayoung | and fill in the project id | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | we don't because "this is the admin project" is never something we've tried to communicate | 18:48 |
| ayoung | and, we don't control the distribution mechanism | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: also, can we have a chained-k2K ? that means a keystone as SP, that needs another keystone SP to provide auth :p nvm | 18:48 |
| haneef__ | stevemar: what is non-admin project? project name is just a name. How do you define it? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | haneef__, there are certain operations not scoped to a proejct | 18:48 |
| ayoung | if we don't restrict where the "admin" role comes from, it means that anyone that can assign a role can assign the admin role, and thus compromise security | 18:49 |
| ayoung | so, effectively, we have said "only sysadmins can assign roles" | 18:49 |
| david8hu | ayoung, we needs to make people update policy or provide a way to make policy changes less painful. | 18:49 |
| bknudson | put that in the commit message | 18:49 |
| ayoung | which , of course, does not scale too well | 18:49 |
| ayoung | david8hu, I tried that route | 18:50 |
| gyee | what's the point of assigning a role if you can only get it under some conditions? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | gyee, all the other roles... | 18:50 |
| stevemar_ | aren't policies updated every upgrade? | 18:50 |
| ayoung | most important, you can add someone to your own project, or remove them | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | stevemar_, that is outside the scope of what openstack upstream can control | 18:50 |
| ayoung | is it puppte, ansible, chef, or bash? | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | Dynamic policy was, effectivly, an internalized config management tool to solve this. But, its not going to hap[p[en quickly | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | so, lets lay off on dynamic policy and just fix the problem first | 18:51 |
| amakarov | ayoung, if keystone can store policies for entire openstack, it can modify it too, no? All we have to do is to convince others to use stored policies instead of local files | 18:51 |
| ayoung | amakarov, tried. failed | 18:52 |
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| stevemar_ | amakarov: same argument | 18:52 |
| ayoung | and, we still have the tokenizeation problem | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | Keystone not only needs to store, it would need to modify | 18:52 |
| amakarov | ayoung, what kan be done if we negotiate Horizon team to make a convenient tool to edit them :) | 18:52 |
| ayoung | so...lets change what we can control: what goes in the token | 18:52 |
| stevemar_ | ayoung: so i think it's worth asking, how much of a hole are we going to dig ourselves into? | 18:52 |
| david8hu | ayoung, Operator still need a way to modify and validate policy even with the dynamic policy route. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | stevemar_, none | 18:52 |
| stevemar_ | if we assume admin roles and admin projects are always there | 18:52 |
| ayoung | we are already in the hole | 18:52 |
| ayoung | were just fuinally deciding to make iourselves dcomfortable | 18:53 |
| stevemar_ | i guess if they don't want this, they just don't set the config option? | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | right | 18:53 |
| ayoung | config option is off by defualt, too | 18:53 |
| ayoung | to avoid breaking people | 18:53 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson: dolphm mordred thoughts? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | we'll activate it in devstack | 18:53 |
| stevemar_ | err morgan: not mordred | 18:53 |
| amakarov | stevemar_, the bottom of a bowl usually contains the sweetest pieces! | 18:53 |
| bknudson | put more info in the commit message so it can be documented properly | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | so my problem is that if you know enough to set the config option, then you presumably know enough to not spray admin around | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | and as I mentioned before there are service users that need admin | 18:54 |
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| samueldmq | I have thought about a tool to support customizing policies + something to validate the policy changes, something like: my admin does this and that, and then the tool would run against a live cloud and test it | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | gyee: cc ^ | 18:54 |
| bknudson | and they're scoped to service not admin | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | gyee: I think I have told you about that idea | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: service users need admin because of bad policies in other services | 18:54 |
| edmondsw | if you trust someone to assign roles, you should trust them to assign roles... someone can setup a role specifically for the purpose of being able to assign roles, if they want to really lock that down | 18:54 |
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| edmondsw | (and should) | 18:54 |
| gyee | smueldmq, tool or API? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | so service users indicate we probalby needto make it a list and not a single project | 18:54 |
| ayoung | I'm working on updating the patch for that | 18:55 |
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| jamielennox | i know it doesn't exist, but i'd love to see a list of places where services treat "admin" as not scoped to the project in the token - cause they're just bugs | 18:55 |
| lhcheng | amakarov: I think Timur(tsufiev) have started looking at the policy editor in horizon, but holding that off for now. | 18:55 |
| amakarov | samueldmq, I have Horizon guys who wolunteered to code the editor if we provide the data format | 18:55 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, admin role is just different from other roles | 18:55 |
| edmondsw | ayoung, in which sense do you mean? | 18:55 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, it is hard coded everywhere, and with no scope check | 18:55 |
| david8hu | Let's get x509 going for service users, so we don't need to worry about it no more ;) | 18:56 |
| edmondsw | yeah... it's a mess we need to fix | 18:56 |
| ayoung | this is just acceptance of the state of things | 18:56 |
| ayoung | david8hu, orthogonal | 18:56 |
| edmondsw | I should be able to say joe is an admin on project A, bob is an admin on project B, etc. | 18:56 |
| ayoung | david8hu, don't confuse authentication with authorization | 18:56 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, we'll call it soemthig other than admin | 18:56 |
| ayoung | call it manager | 18:56 |
| edmondsw | and I'm an admin on project C, which is a parent to both of those, so I'm effectively an admin on A and B as well | 18:56 |
| edmondsw | make it heirarchical | 18:56 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, nothing checks "admin on project" | 18:56 |
| edmondsw | IT SHOULD, though | 18:57 |
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| edmondsw | we need to fix that | 18:57 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, things check "on proejct" or "admin" | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | edmondsw, forget should... | 18:57 |
| edmondsw | that's the problem | 18:57 |
| ayoung | so much of this should have been done diffeerntly | 18:57 |
| ayoung | we are in a world of legacy | 18:57 |
| edmondsw | so we punt? | 18:57 |
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| samueldmq | gyee: well, some CLI that uses the oepnstack APIs to validate what users can do what | 18:57 |
| ayoung | on admin, sure...but | 18:57 |
| amakarov | edmondsw, I think "admin" term should dissolve when we enable better role assignment management | 18:57 |
| david8hu | ayoung, let's help move it out of legacy | 18:57 |
| ayoung | here is the best part: | 18:57 |
| ayoung | it lets us focus on splitting policuy into two parts | 18:58 |
| ayoung | let the proejct keep what they have: effectivly checking the scope of hte porject | 18:58 |
| ayoung | match the tokn e | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | we can then do dynamic policy in middleware | 18:58 |
| gyee | so we have a distinction betwee project admin and admin project admin? | 18:58 |
| stevemar_ | ayoung: i think you've got something here | 18:58 |
| stevemar_ | it just needs to be baked a bit longer, add some docs and such like bknudson asked | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | see, checking to see what the scope of the resource \requires a database lookup for most things | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | we don;t want that in dyanmic poluicy | 18:59 |
| bknudson | it can't break anything if it's optional | 18:59 |
| ayoung | changing it breaks things | 18:59 |
| ayoung | we only want to do the role check | 18:59 |
| stevemar_ | bknudson: yep | 18:59 |
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| stevemar_ | alright, lets' not creep onto infra time | 18:59 |
| ayoung | so...this lets us plan on doing that in the future | 18:59 |
| stevemar_ | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 18:59:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-10-13-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-10-13-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-10-13-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| stevemar_ | move to -keystone | 18:59 |
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| jeblair | move from -infra | 18:59 |
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| fungi | infra team: assemble!infra team: assemble! | 19:00 |
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| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | yes, fungi | 19:00 |
| fungi | double-paste, paste twice! | 19:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:00 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| nibalizer | o/ (sorta) | 19:00 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | nibalizer: me too! | 19:00 |
| taron | o/ | 19:00 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: are you conferencing? | 19:00 |
| nibalizer | yes | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | ah | 19:00 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 19:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements: Stackforge namespace retirement | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements: Stackforge namespace retirement (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| ruagair | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #info Stackforge namespace retirement maintenance will commence this Saturday, October 17, at 18:00 UTC | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Stackforge_Namespace_Retirement | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-10-06-19.01.html | 19:01 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | jeblair send followup reminder to lagging stackforge projects about namespace retirement | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | done! | 19:02 |
| fungi | i believe i saw that happen? | 19:02 |
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| fungi | excellent | 19:02 |
| fungi | fungi start maintenance plan etherpad for stackforge retirement | 19:02 |
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| fungi | i didn't do that, but will get going on it today now that i've been sufficiently shamed | 19:02 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 19:02 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | (looks like a few changes have happened to the wiki since i sent the email) | 19:03 |
| anteaya | yes, yay | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | looks like 6 | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:04 |
| rfolco | o/ | 19:04 |
| jeblair | still get to retire 72 | 19:04 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:04 |
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| anteaya | wooooo | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: StoryBoard Worklists and Boards (SotK) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | looks like we have no council votes on the spec | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/202989 | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i think it just got a new PS to fix a merge conflict | 19:05 |
| fungi | seems it got updated, yep | 19:05 |
| SotK | indeed | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i'll approve it now since i said i'd approve it after thursday, but i may be the only council vote on it | 19:05 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | unless anyone else wants to scramble and vote in the next few seconds | 19:06 |
| anteaya | it is after thursday, so you are holding true to what you said | 19:06 |
| fungi | #info approved "StoryBoard Worklists and Boards" spec | 19:06 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:07 |
| Zara | I scrambled, just because. | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #topic Summit planning | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-mitaka-summit-planning | 19:07 |
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| fungi | the topic list is much more plentiful than last week | 19:08 |
| fungi | i'll need to present thingee with our choices in the next few days | 19:08 |
| anteaya | why does thingee have a role here? | 19:08 |
| * anteaya is clearly missing part of our workflow | 19:09 | |
| fungi | because he's doing the coordination this time | 19:09 |
| fungi | for the conference | 19:09 |
| anteaya | ah wonderful | 19:09 |
| anteaya | oh my | 19:09 |
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| * anteaya notes to buy thingee a drink | 19:09 | |
| fungi | well, for the design summit | 19:09 |
| fungi | since ttx is travelling | 19:09 |
| jeblair | nicely done, ttx :) | 19:09 |
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| anteaya | ah | 19:09 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:09 |
| zaro | anteaya: will update the Gerrit development/upgrade to drop the 'upgrade' portion because it's no longer blocking. | 19:10 |
| fungi | so anyway, what's the best way to get some consensus on 2-4 workroom topics and 3 fishbowl topics? we can leave the sprint topics to an unconference style like we've done in the past since that's worked well | 19:10 |
| anteaya | zaro: sure, and is it in the right place | 19:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: we could vote in the etherpad or setup a condorcet poll or just do it in this meeting | 19:10 |
| anteaya | zaro: I thought last week you moved it (or said you were going to move it) to workroom from fishbowl | 19:10 |
| fungi | should we add a "would attend" line to each topic and get people to vote by putting their nicks on those? | 19:10 |
| clarkb | fungi: that sounds reasonable to me | 19:11 |
| jeblair | wfm | 19:11 |
| cody-somerville | \o_ | 19:11 |
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| fungi | i can tally up the nicks, sort them and see if there's any tweaks/overlap before narrowing for the final selection | 19:11 |
| zaro | anteaya: i thought it was in work room last week but now it apparently is in fishbowl. it should be in workroom | 19:12 |
| zaro | i didn't move it | 19:12 |
| fungi | cody-somerville: your humanoid man emoji seems to be drowning | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | zaro: can you switch it back to workroom? | 19:12 |
| anteaya | zaro: I agree that is the best place | 19:12 |
| fungi | er, waving humanoid emoji | 19:12 |
| cody-somerville | fungi: frequently feels that way. :) | 19:12 |
| fungi | got it | 19:12 |
| zaro | anteaya: done | 19:12 |
| clarkb | fungi: do proposers need an explicit would attend? | 19:12 |
| clarkb | :) | 19:13 |
| anteaya | zaro: thank you | 19:13 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I am putting my name down for my sessions | 19:13 |
| fungi | clarkb: can't hurt? ;) | 19:13 |
| anteaya | cross me out if I shouldn't be doing that | 19:13 |
| Zara | it looks like the fishbowl ttx proposed is very similar in theme to my storyboard workroom; might be worth combining them? | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i mean, i would attend all of them, so i guess i'm interpreting this slightly differently :) | 19:13 |
| fungi | proposers aren't necessary leading or possibly even advocating for their proposal after all | 19:13 |
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| anteaya | fungi: can you put how many fishbowl and how many workroom we have on the etherpad? | 19:14 |
| Zara | (mine's listed as 'task tracker status' but I know more about the storyboard side of things, haha) | 19:14 |
| fungi | anteaya: it's at the top | 19:14 |
| anteaya | ah thanks, so it is | 19:15 |
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| fungi | anteaya: it's 2-4 workrooms depending on if we decide to combine any slots there for a double-length session | 19:15 |
| anteaya | ack | 19:15 |
| fungi | in case my comment on that line is unclear | 19:15 |
| anteaya | I am clear | 19:15 |
| jeblair | who is the person in green i'm arguing with on the containers/baremetal thing? | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: me | 19:16 |
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| yolanda | clarkb? | 19:16 |
| asselin__ | o/ | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I don't recall the v3 spec saying "reimplement drivers for virsh/docker/containers/" | 19:16 |
| clarkb | but maybe I am mistaken | 19:16 |
| clarkb | (reimplement because nova does those things already) | 19:16 |
| yolanda | jeblair, yes, i also didn't understand in that way | 19:16 |
| anteaya | we have 4 proposals for workrooms, can we just accept all 4? | 19:16 |
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| anteaya | fungi: can i make that motion? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I guess I read that as mediate via ironic/openstack | 19:17 |
| fungi | anteaya: we can unless there's so little interest for one that we want to give another more time | 19:17 |
| anteaya | fungi: I move we accept all four workroom proposals | 19:17 |
| clarkb | jeblair: rather than write our own pxe implementation | 19:17 |
| anteaya | ah fair enough | 19:17 |
| yolanda | if the intention of zuul v3 is to construct nodepool in that way that is quite flexible and we can extend, i think our concerns are covered | 19:17 |
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| anteaya | mordred: oh, making my motion void | 19:18 |
| jeblair | clarkb: goodness no. it has a thing about supporting static inventory. | 19:18 |
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| anteaya | mordred: ttx has that proposed in fishbowl | 19:18 |
| clarkb | jeblair: right but thats very different htan what yolanda is proposing | 19:18 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yolanda is proposing drivers/plugins do talk to virsh/pxe/docker/etc | 19:18 |
| yolanda | yep | 19:18 |
| anteaya | mordred: Title: Launchpad / Maniphest / StoryBoard: the Mitaka edition currently line 80 | 19:18 |
| anteaya | or was as of me typing so | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | anyways we can have a session to hash it out :) | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | yolanda, clarkb: i think that makes sense, but i think it should be done as part of zuulv3. | 19:19 |
| jeblair | i do not think we should do that with the current nodepool | 19:19 |
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| yolanda | jeblair i see that as a good addition yes | 19:20 |
| clarkb | sure, personally I would say nodepool talks to openstack | 19:20 |
| jeblair | we need to land the 2 big things that are outstanding on nodepool and zuul, and then get started on v3. | 19:20 |
| clarkb | which means make shade talk ironic/nova/magnum | 19:20 |
| clarkb | and don't reinvent those wheels because they exist already | 19:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, that makes sense. | 19:20 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:20 |
| yolanda | jeblair, clarkb, but then it limits you to the providers supporting that | 19:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb, yolanda: i agree that we could have a session to hash out details, as long as we're on the same page about building on zuulv3. | 19:20 |
| yolanda | and this is not a reality right now | 19:20 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup zuulv3 | 19:21 |
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| anteaya | fungi: see any patterns yet? | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | I just wanted to point out that I don't believe we need any summit time to discuss infra-cloud. | 19:22 |
| anteaya | fungi: or do you need more input? | 19:22 |
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| SpamapS | We're low on resources, but not on planning. We know what to do.. just aren't spending much time on it. | 19:22 |
| fungi | SpamapS: awesome | 19:22 |
| fungi | SpamapS: instead we can start every session with a public service announcement: "infra cloud needs you!" | 19:22 |
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| fungi | (to get some work done) | 19:23 |
| crinkle | I am spending time on it... | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | I would like to sit with greghaynes and crinkle and see if we can get a little high bandwidth progress made, but that's like, a 2 hour back-of-the-room thing during a work session. | 19:23 |
| anteaya | crinkle: yay you | 19:23 |
| * mordred hands crinkle a cookie | 19:23 | |
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| SpamapS | crinkle: you can make us a cloud, and then we will bake you a cake. | 19:23 |
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| Clint | i think i've seen that movie | 19:24 |
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| fungi | i'll tally up the nicks tomorrow and do a follow-up thread on the infra ml with the probable lineup, to give people some time to finish hashing out their debates on some of the proposed topics | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | yolanda: I think it would be possible for you to deploy a magnum/ironic/nova if you have those types of resources available to you then point nodepool to it | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | yolanda: anyways don't need to derail meeting anymore can chat after if you like | 19:24 |
| yolanda | clarkb, sure, not the time for that now | 19:25 |
| fungi | though we can continue to use some dedicated time in this meeting for discussion of summit session proposals as well | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | SpamapS: add me to the list of helpers. Just point me in the direction | 19:25 |
| yolanda | i can also write some lines on an etherpad | 19:25 |
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| SpamapS | pabelanger: at the bottom of the etherpad, there's a sprint session proposed with me, greghaynes, and crinkle | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: join us! :) | 19:25 |
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| anteaya | he won't be at the summit | 19:26 |
| fungi | i am also heartened that almost nobody feels the need to discuss infra council progress and pain points. means we're liking it well enough we don't need to waste summit time refining | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | awwww | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | ya, only remote this time | 19:26 |
| anteaya | neigher will ianw | 19:26 |
| anteaya | neither | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: well actually | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | ACK | 19:26 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes, well actually I'm not sure what the solution is | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: I do have to say for myself having dropped off the face of the earth right around when all that happened I hav eno idea what is actually expected of me in relation to that | 19:26 |
| fungi | heh | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | fungi: but I don't think that needs a session, I just need to sit with people and figure it out | 19:27 |
| jeblair | clarkb: conveniently documented here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/project.html#teams | 19:27 |
| anteaya | I think folks are picking things that have a possible fun outcome and are not interested in the hard bits | 19:27 |
| anteaya | funny that | 19:27 |
| fungi | clarkb: gets easier to grok after a few beers | 19:27 |
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| fungi | Zara: i do tend to agree that your workroom session and ttx's fishbowl session might be good to combine | 19:28 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I actually think mordred's workroom and ttx's fishbowl is a clearer combination | 19:28 |
| clarkb | jeblair: fungi I think the specific thing that breaks in my head is the state before council vote and whether or not we should ACK/NACK on details or whether or not the idea itself is good | 19:28 |
| fungi | i'll consider votes for either of them together and possibly just roll them into one fishbowl if they seem sufficiently popular (unless you object) | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I haven't been able to pick up on the social cues there I think | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | but again thats not really needing a session I don't think | 19:29 |
| anteaya | clarkb: I don't think we have social cues | 19:29 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sounds like it'd make a good one, actually :) | 19:29 |
| Zara | fungi: I thought mine was better suited to a fishbowl in the first place, just picked a workroom becuase there were lots free and no fishbowls at the time:) | 19:29 |
| anteaya | clarkb: as more than 70 people in a new group is hard to create those | 19:29 |
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| fungi | anteaya: oh, perhaps Zara's and mordred's workroom sessions present two sides to ttx's fishbowl debate | 19:30 |
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| anteaya | fungi: that is a perspective that has a argument | 19:30 |
| jeblair | clarkb: do you still want your multinode session? it's in cross-project | 19:30 |
| anteaya | I can stand behind that perhaps | 19:30 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: it is for sure? | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: nope it can be cross project | 19:30 |
| anteaya | cross project is better I think | 19:30 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:30 |
| anteaya | clarkb: do you want to remove it? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I struck it out | 19:31 |
| jeblair | anteaya: as sure as is currently possibl; if it isn't after this TC meeting, i'll be sure to let you and clarkb know. | 19:31 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:31 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: ah thank you | 19:31 |
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| Zara | I'm happy to roll the three sessions into one if that suits other people. As long as I know what's going on with the migration, I'm happy. :) | 19:32 |
| fungi | the proposal from fbo and tristanC might work well as a broader discussion including planning for puppet-openstackci and the downstream-puppet effort | 19:33 |
| jeblair | pleia2: it looks like the zanata session is in i18n track, yeah? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | hrm should I strike out ya that | 19:33 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ^ | 19:33 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:33 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ++ | 19:33 |
| anteaya | fungi: I agree with that assesment | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: may want to consider | 19:33 |
| jeblair | Tuesday, October 27 • 4:40pm - 5:20pm | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: that for conflicts ^ (i18n tooling session) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | jeblair: thanks for the heads up. i'll try to gravitate topics away from likely overlap with other teams' conflicts | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | fungi: if we can get maniphest as a workroom that should give us containers, repo creation and infra council as fishbowls | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | that sounds sane. if the result of the maniphest workroom is "give up", we can regroup during the sprint time. (hopefully it will, instead, be a list of items with people assigned to them) | 19:39 |
| * anteaya also hopes for a list of items with assignees | 19:39 | |
| fungi | i think i like containers if it's containers in a zuul v3 world | 19:39 |
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| fungi | still not convinced the infra council session is critical, but it might make a good lure for people from other teams to see what we're doing governance-wise | 19:40 |
| fungi | which was the main reason i proposed it | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | I think we should have the space | 19:40 |
| anteaya | we do need to at least discuss the process | 19:41 |
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| anteaya | anyway I am interested in the other items on the agenda | 19:42 |
| fungi | okay, if there's no other burning session discussion, i'd like to give some time to a few gerrit-related topics | 19:42 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:42 |
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| zaro | ahh thought we might run out of time. | 19:43 |
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| mordred | anybody know if rugair is coming ot the summit? | 19:43 |
| fungi | #topic Upstream Gerrit Issue Fixed (zaro and anteaya) | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | ruagair: ^? | 19:43 |
| lifeless | mordred: I believe he is | 19:43 |
| mordred | lifeless: awesome | 19:43 |
| fungi | #link https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/71380/2 | 19:43 |
| zaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/I0eV4IgkZS | 19:43 |
| zaro | it's fixed! | 19:43 |
| mordred | woot! | 19:43 |
| anteaya | yay! | 19:43 |
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| fungi | it sounds like we're clear to move forward preparing to upgrade soon post-summit | 19:44 |
| zaro | so now i think we can decide on next gerrit version | 19:44 |
| anteaya | yay! | 19:44 |
| mordred | zaro: what choices do we have? | 19:44 |
| zaro | i have 2.11 on review-dev.o.o | 19:44 |
| fungi | zaro: you were going to upgrade review-dev to latest release, yeag? looks like that's done | 19:44 |
| tchaypo | Ruagair is definitely coming | 19:44 |
| anteaya | c'mon close connection | 19:44 |
| fungi | #link https://review-dev.openstack.org/ | 19:44 |
| zaro | my vote is to move to 2.11 | 19:44 |
| clarkb | so we should solicit feedback from our users on the new change screen? | 19:45 |
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| fungi | so we mostly just need to figure out if we (as a community) can stomach 2.11 or need to stick with an already obsoleted 2.10 because of the old change screen going away | 19:45 |
| anteaya | ah 2.11 has new screen only? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yes | 19:45 |
| zaro | because i don't want to see bugs for old change screen and new change screen | 19:45 |
| anteaya | old view has disappeared | 19:45 |
| * anteaya pauses | 19:45 | |
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| zaro | and upstream's not gonna fix any old CS bugs anyways | 19:45 |
| anteaya | jeblair: how is gertty adoption? | 19:46 |
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| fungi | zaro: do you want to draft an e-mail to the -dev ml about this and see what sort of reception we get? | 19:46 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i can check review.o.o logs | 19:46 |
| zaro | fungi: sure, i can. | 19:46 |
| jeblair | (it has a user-agent) | 19:46 |
| anteaya | jeblair: awesome, thanks | 19:46 |
| anteaya | jeblair: cool | 19:46 |
| anteaya | yeah, I think we need input from devs | 19:47 |
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| anteaya | at the very least so that losing old screen isnt' a surprise | 19:47 |
| fungi | #action zaro send a discussion starter to the openstacl-dev mailing list for feedback on Gerrit 2.11 | 19:47 |
| zaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/test-gerrit-2.11 | 19:47 |
| mordred | we should also make sure that people konw that at _Some_ point the new screen seems inevitable | 19:47 |
| fungi | #action zaro send a discussion starter to the openstack-dev mailing list for feedback on Gerrit 2.11 | 19:47 |
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| mordred | so rather than "do you like it" perhaps feedback on blocker issues | 19:48 |
| fungi | #action zaro send a discussion starter to the openstack-dev mailing list for feedback on Gerrit 2.11 | 19:48 |
| zaro | so far 2.11 looks pretty good with overall systems from review-dev.o.o prespective | 19:48 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/test-gerrit-2.11 | 19:48 |
| clarkb | zaro: https://review-dev.openstack.org/#/c/5331/2/driver.py,unified fails fwiw | 19:48 |
| anteaya | zaro: nice checklist | 19:48 |
| fungi | (sorry about the noise for a typo) | 19:48 |
| anteaya | fungi: np | 19:48 |
| anteaya | mordred: good point | 19:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, honestly, i think when we decided to track upstream, we decided to go with what they give us | 19:48 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yup | 19:48 |
| jeblair | mordred, zaro: so i think we should be looking for serious blocker issues, not 'nice to have' things. | 19:49 |
| mordred | main feedback I'd be interested in is "zomg I cannot do X can we fix that" | 19:49 |
| mordred | yah | 19:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: right like unified diffs not working | 19:49 |
| jeblair | (if you want something that's nice to have, send a patch to upstream gerrit) | 19:49 |
| clarkb | see link about for example :) | 19:49 |
| Clint | s/about/above/ | 19:49 |
| fungi | agreed. it seems like we're not going to convince them to build an old change screen equivalent, so barring people suddenly getting really excited about doing something like that with vinz we're back to forking or taking what's there and improving where possible | 19:49 |
| zaro | yeah, /me is looking. | 19:49 |
| mordred | clarkb: define fail? that link works for me | 19:49 |
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| Clint | i get internal server error | 19:50 |
| clarkb | mordred: I get internal server error | 19:50 |
| asselin__ | doesn't work for me either | 19:50 |
| mordred | I get a unified diff | 19:50 |
| jeblair | java.lang.ClassCastException: com.google.gerrit.server.AnonymousUser cannot be cast to com.google.gerrit.server.IdentifiedUser | 19:50 |
| mordred | WEIRD | 19:50 |
| clarkb | mordred: huh are you using firefox or other? | 19:50 |
| mordred | ah | 19:50 |
| mordred | I'm logged in | 19:50 |
| zaro | contributions to that Gerrit 2.11 etherpad would be helpful. if you've got areas you think you might like to verify put them on there and i'll take a look. | 19:50 |
| jeblair | probably only happens to anonymous | 19:50 |
| jeblair | zaro: ^ | 19:50 |
| clarkb | oh super weird | 19:50 |
| mordred | zaro: ya. that's probably a bug :) | 19:50 |
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| Clint | yup, works when logged in | 19:51 |
| jeblair | noted in ep. | 19:51 |
| zaro | i think known issue there it's got something to do with not having an email address or having same emails assigned to multiple accounts. | 19:52 |
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| anteaya | zaro: thank you | 19:52 |
| anteaya | zaro: wonderful | 19:52 |
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| fungi | jhenner: ruagair: i'm going to skip your gerrit load troubleshooting topic. i think we may want to limp it along, upgrade as soon as possible, and see if it's fixed before we spend too much time digging deeper | 19:52 |
| fungi | sorry jhenner! jhesketh ^ | 19:53 |
| ruagair | noted. | 19:53 |
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| zaro | I think we are in agreement to target Gerrit 2.11, correct? | 19:53 |
| fungi | if we're set for next steps with the upgrade, then i'd like to take a couple minutes to check for concerns in preparation for saturday's maintenance | 19:53 |
| jhenner | fungi: np | 19:54 |
| fungi | zaro: sounds like it | 19:54 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I would like project config frozen at 13:00 utc friday | 19:54 |
| fungi | #agreed Infra is planning to upgrade to Gerrit 2.11 soon after the Mitaka summit, barring serious blocker bugs | 19:54 |
| anteaya | unless there are objections, in which case could you offer a better time? | 19:54 |
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| fungi | #topic Stackforge namespace retirement maintenance planning | 19:55 |
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| Clint | when is the move/retire list frozen? | 19:55 |
| anteaya | Clint: last monday | 19:55 |
| jeblair | anteaya: (313 unique ip addresses used gertty to access review.o.o since sept 20. that's almost certainly well more than the number of users, especially if mordred used it) | 19:55 |
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| fungi | anteaya: 13:00 utc friday sounds fine to me. i can lock that wiki article | 19:55 |
| anteaya | jeblair: ha ha ha | 19:55 |
| mordred | jeblair: :) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 19:55 |
| clarkb | ya 1300 lockdown wfm | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: it will be interesting to track that number after the new view is in place | 19:56 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i don't think it's frozen yet? | 19:56 |
| anteaya | jeblair: the deadline has past | 19:56 |
| anteaya | but yes wikipage not frozen yet | 19:56 |
| jeblair | anteaya: it's a wiki page, and i don't think we set a deadline after which people could not edit it. | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | i think it makes sense to just consider 1300 utc the deadline | 19:57 |
| anteaya | oh | 19:57 |
| fungi | when do we anticipate running the script to generate our changes? | 19:57 |
| jeblair | freeze wiki, freeze project-config, run script to generate change | 19:57 |
| anteaya | I was hoping to clear the list prior | 19:57 |
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| fungi | if it's 13:00 utc, then i can lock the page at that time | 19:57 |
| jeblair | clear the list? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | well I would like to practice with the list starting tomorrow | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | clear the list, practice, get used to the expected list without new changes | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | that's fine, but considering this is automated, why not run it with updated inputs? | 19:58 |
| anteaya | on practice patchsets | 19:58 |
| anteaya | that is fine | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | if we are agreed on friday 1300 for freeze | 19:58 |
| fungi | yeah, it seems unnecessary to lock the page down to perform test runs (or to wait for teh page to be locked to do those test runs) | 19:58 |
| jeblair | in practice, i doubt there will be very many changes | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | fungi: okay | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: well that is true, there were 6 since your last email | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | doubt we will have more than 2 late additions at this point | 19:59 |
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| anteaya | okey dokey | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #info the Stackforge_Namespace_Retirement wiki article will be locked and non-maintenance-related project-config changes frozen at 13:00 UTC this Friday, October 16 | 20:00 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: timrc: i'll talk to you in a bit about the grafyaml thing | 20:00 |
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| fungi | need to hand the channel over to the tc | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| anteaya | thank you | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 20:01:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-10-13-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-10-13-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-10-13-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:01 |
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| russellb | mestery: welcome! | 20:01 |
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| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
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| mestery | thanks russellb :) | 20:01 |
| annegentle | here! | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| * shamail lurking too | 20:01 | |
| * jeblair thinks we could make a neat design if we lined up before the meeting start | 20:01 | |
| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | lifeless, flaper87, markmcclain, jaypipes: around ? | 20:02 |
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| lifeless | ttx: very | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:02 |
| markmcclain | ttx: still here :) | 20:02 |
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| lifeless | ttx: diet has been bad | 20:02 |
| anteaya | jeblair: ha ha ha | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 20:02:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
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| ruagair | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Welcome Mitaka membership | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome Mitaka membership (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| ttx | Congrats to mestery on his election and the others on their reelection | 20:02 |
| ttx | So we have a number of things to cover for the first meeting of a new membership | 20:02 |
| mestery | thanks :) | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | w0000h00000! Welcome everyone | 20:02 |
| annegentle | welcome mestery! | 20:03 |
| markmcclain | welcome | 20:03 |
| ttx | First is to approve the the new membership | 20:03 |
| * mestery ^5s flaper87 | 20:03 | |
| * mordred hands mestery a somewhat uneaten jar of pickles | 20:03 | |
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| annegentle | thanks flaper87! | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233543/ | 20:03 |
| * mestery weeps | 20:03 | |
| sdague | "somewhat"? | 20:03 |
| ttx | was +1ed by election officials, so will approve now unless there is an objection | 20:03 |
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| * sdague thinks there must be better snacks in this place | 20:03 | |
| sdague | ttx: do it | 20:03 |
| annegentle | thank you jgriffith! | 20:03 |
| lifeless | velkomm velkomm | 20:03 |
| jgriffith | annegentle: It was na honor | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | an even | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | :) | 20:04 |
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| mordred | thanks jgriffith ! | 20:04 |
| ttx | alright approved | 20:04 |
| ttx | Then we have to pick the committee chair | 20:04 |
| jeblair | jgriffith: thank you! | 20:04 |
| ttx | I'll be happy to serve again, I actually dropped the release management PTL seat to be able to spend even more time on the TC side | 20:04 |
| sdague | yeh, thanks for all the fish jgriffith | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Anyone else interested ? | 20:04 |
| * sdague not it | 20:04 | |
| jgriffith | ha... I love that I get that reference :) | 20:04 |
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| * mestery also not it | 20:04 | |
| ttx | If you'll have me, please approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234409/ | 20:05 |
| * lifeless touches dhellmann's nose | 20:05 | |
| * mordred is only aware of one crazy frenchman in the room, and is pretty sure that's a pre-req | 20:05 | |
| markmcclain | ttx: go for it | 20:05 |
| annegentle | ttx: thank you thank you | 20:05 |
| * dhellmann smacks lifeless' hand | 20:05 | |
| ttx | I'll need 7 votes on that one for formal vote | 20:05 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: thats not how it works? | 20:05 |
| lifeless | :) | 20:05 |
| * flaper87 interested in voting for ttx to be chair | 20:05 | |
| russellb | +1 | 20:05 |
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| ttx | ok, other administrativia | 20:06 |
| ttx | Remember we are all invited to a joint BoD/TC meeting on Monday Oct 26, 2:30pm. I sent an email with details to the list | 20:06 |
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| * flaper87 will be there | 20:06 | |
| annegentle | ttx: on it | 20:06 |
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| sdague | ttx: and you are sure you aren't off by 30 minutes like last time :) | 20:06 |
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| ttx | thanks everyone for still wanting me for another round. Although I wonder if that's not an elaborate trick | 20:06 |
| ttx | I'd like to spend a few minutes collecting topics that you want to discuss at that joint meeting | 20:07 |
| ttx | AlanClark told me he has DCO and diversity work group update on the agenda already | 20:07 |
| ttx | Anything else you'd like to cover there? | 20:07 |
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| lifeless | it might be nice to ask the board if they have anything they want from us | 20:07 |
| mestery | lifeless: +1 | 20:07 |
| russellb | i asked for DCO to be discussed earlier (as well) | 20:07 |
| ttx | sdague: it was an optimization based on past data! | 20:07 |
| russellb | so that we can actually vote on it | 20:07 |
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| russellb | i posted to the foundation list about that, but no response on it ... | 20:08 |
| sdague | russellb: thanks for posting that | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | russellb: so no response at all? | 20:08 |
| jeblair | russellb: yeah, we were expecting a vote in july, so we're _really_ expecting a vote in october. | 20:08 |
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| russellb | dhellmann: none | 20:08 |
| ttx | russellb: Alan told me he has the DCO on the list of topics requested by the board | 20:08 |
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| ttx | maybe that's a yes ? | 20:08 |
| * flaper87 shrugs | 20:08 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: but if that's for the joint session, they won't be voting | 20:08 |
| russellb | ttx: if it's in the joint meeting, the board can't vote on it | 20:08 |
| ttx | oh, good point | 20:09 |
| russellb | since that's after the official close of board meeting | 20:09 |
| jeblair | and last i checked, it was not explicitly listed on the board agenda | 20:09 |
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| ttx | hmm, maybe it's just to tell us that the board adopted it in the morning ? /me is an optimistic person | 20:09 |
| russellb | hope so | 20:09 |
| fungi | sort of wondering if the legal affairs ctte call tomorrow is going to cover dco. might make sense for some of you to lurk? | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | I'd really like to see the DCO thing resolved this time\ | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yeah | 20:09 |
| jeblair | oh | 20:09 |
| jeblair | (10:40) Legal: ICLA/DCO - Eileen, Mark, Nissa | 20:09 |
| russellb | fungi: yes, the timing was interesting, usually that's not public | 20:09 |
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| jeblair | that has appeared now | 20:10 |
| shamail | I heard DCO is on the list too (board, not joint session) | 20:10 |
| russellb | jeblair: oh great! | 20:10 |
| sdague | jeblair: cool | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | nice | 20:10 |
| ttx | jeblair: the "Legal" part doesn't seem to point to a vote but yet another exposé | 20:10 |
| russellb | so then i think it's fair to expect a vote based on what i know | 20:10 |
| ttx | but we can hope | 20:10 |
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| mordred | I agree with russellb | 20:10 |
| mordred | I believe the intent is for a vote to happen | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 20:10 |
| jeblair | maybe it's "legal committee has come back with this thing to vote on" | 20:10 |
| ttx | jeblair: maybe. | 20:11 |
| * jeblair speculated | 20:11 | |
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| ttx | ok anyway, what else would you like to cover ? | 20:11 |
| * jeblair is also optimistic | 20:11 | |
| sdague | so with a vote, will us outsiders get to know who voted for what (roll call vote), or just outcome? | 20:11 |
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| russellb | sdague: you'll get to know, it's in the minutes | 20:11 |
| sdague | russellb: cool | 20:11 |
| russellb | though the minutes are usually approved in the *next* board meeting | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | I like lifeless' topic proposal | 20:11 |
| fungi | sdague: also if you're around, totally show up and join the peanut gallery. i will | 20:11 |
| ttx | mordred: if you want us to work on redefining / precising the openstack mission, it's likely to be something the board wants to know about | 20:11 |
| russellb | fungi: indeed | 20:12 |
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| mordred | ttx: that's an excellent point | 20:12 |
| clarkb | fungi: will there be room? | 20:12 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, good point | 20:12 |
| * mestery likes peanuts and will be there | 20:12 | |
| mordred | ttx: that would be a great topic to add to the joint meeting | 20:12 |
| fungi | clarkb: i intend to make room, tokyo or no | 20:12 |
| ttx | what is lifeless topic proposal ? | 20:12 |
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| clarkb | fungi: :) sounds like a plan | 20:12 |
| ttx | #info proposed topic: expanding the openstack mission | 20:12 |
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| jeblair | mordred: have background on that? | 20:13 |
| ttx | jeblair: mordred wants it to mention users | 20:13 |
| mordred | jeblair: the tl;dr is that our mission currently says nothing about users or making clouds that work similarly | 20:13 |
| * jeblair assumes he missed a -dev email | 20:13 | |
| ttx | jeblair: not really | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: the candidacy :D | 20:13 |
| sdague | there was a bit of it in his TC candidacy | 20:13 |
| mordred | it very much reads as a mission to make a toolkit that cloud providers can use to make clouds | 20:13 |
| ttx | yep | 20:13 |
| lifeless | ttx: 09:07 < lifeless> it might be nice to ask the board if they have anything they want from us | 20:13 |
| lifeless | 09:07 < mestery> lifeless: +1 | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | sorry, I'm here... | 20:13 |
| jeblair | ah, i recall that now. | 20:14 |
| ttx | #info topic proposal: ask the board if they have anything they want from us | 20:14 |
| sdague | so I think we should action mordred to have some writing words before the meeting | 20:14 |
| russellb | sdague: +1 | 20:14 |
| mordred | I will make some writing words | 20:14 |
| ttx | action mordred | 20:14 |
| annegentle | mordred: yeah I was thinking how aged that seems now 5 years later | 20:14 |
| anteaya | mordred is just an action | 20:14 |
| sdague | in the past the "ask the board what they want from us" didn't turn into much | 20:14 |
| * mordred is an action | 20:14 | |
| ttx | OK. Well if you have other ideas you can push them to the -tc list today. i'll send that to Alan tomorrow | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | sdague: oh, good to know | 20:15 |
| sdague | I would actually think a bit of that should be the board putting things on the joint agenda | 20:15 |
| jeblair | it was last time, iirc | 20:15 |
| ttx | Last item on this topic is the TC dinner, or absence thereof | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: we added a couple too | 20:15 |
| jeblair | maybe they don't have much to talk about either :) | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred said (rightly so) that the TC hasn't changed much and we know each other already, so there isn't so much need for a formal dinner as there was before | 20:15 |
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| ttx | I'm fine with getting an evening back for more informal arrangements, but I'm fine with a TC dinner too. | 20:15 |
| annegentle | ttx: mordred good point | 20:15 |
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| * russellb fine either way on dinner ... | 20:15 | |
| ttx | so maybe something less formal ? | 20:16 |
| mordred | yah - and I feel like I don't actually do anything with the regular folks because I'm booked so solid all the time | 20:16 |
| annegentle | less formal | 20:16 |
| jeblair | oh, i din't think the point was to be introduced to people :) | 20:16 |
| ttx | I'll definitely have dinner after the WoW event | 20:16 |
| mordred | which I imagine is the same for many of you | 20:16 |
| ttx | WoO I mean | 20:16 |
| lifeless | mordred: I thought you were organising w/HP one ? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | WOO :) | 20:16 |
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| mordred | yeah - dinner after WoW sounds like fun | 20:16 |
| lifeless | anyhow, I'm fine any which way | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: lol | 20:16 |
| annegentle | lifeless: well there's also that mordred doesn't work at HP any more | 20:16 |
| mordred | lifeless: I was, but then we were waiting on the election, and then got to talking, etc etc | 20:16 |
| sdague | yeh, post woo dinner sounds reasonable | 20:16 |
| annegentle | We could play WoW, whatevs : | 20:17 |
| annegentle | :) | 20:17 |
| markmcclain | the dinner is one of the few times all 13 of us are in one place that isn't a formal meeting | 20:17 |
| ttx | ok, let's skip the formal dinner, and have a post-woo thing for whoever wants | 20:17 |
| markmcclain | I still an informal event would be a good idea | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 20:17 |
| mestery | ttx: ++ | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:17 |
| jeblair | for the record, i would love a formal dinner, but i'm happy to have an informal one. | 20:17 |
| ttx | markmcclain: we'll be at the woo event. We'll likely be at the core reviewer party event too | 20:17 |
| annegentle | I think so too markmcclain -- setting aside the time, mainly | 20:17 |
| anteaya | woo posts? | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:17 |
| jeblair | i think us gathering together is a really thing. | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | woo is supposed to have enough food that it's likely post drinks rather than dinner | 20:18 |
| jeblair | a really good thing. | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: ++ too | 20:18 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: ++ | 20:18 |
| ttx | Rockyg: good to know. | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | jeblair, markmcclain : ++ | 20:18 |
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| ttx | OK, so I'm not sure we came to a conclusion here | 20:19 |
| lifeless | fwiw I've very much enjoyed, and thought we got lots of important discussions done ina low-stress environment, the formal dinners | 20:19 |
| lifeless | but I'm equally happy with adhocing | 20:19 |
| ttx | I'm fine either way. But we need an organizer and a sponsor | 20:19 |
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| sdague | yeh, honestly the vancouver venue was nice | 20:19 |
| sdague | more bar like and able to talk with more folks | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah, having a space ready for 13 means more opportunity to talk than we might get ad hoc | 20:19 |
| ttx | and a day | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | and move around, etc | 20:20 |
| sdague | so post woo drinks where we can move around is goodness | 20:20 |
| annegentle | sdague: ++ | 20:20 |
| mordred | sdague, ttx: I can work on finding a space | 20:20 |
| sdague | and invite jgriffith to join, per tradition of emeritus | 20:20 |
| ttx | How about we do something after the WOO event. Dinner if necessary, drinks most likely | 20:20 |
| mestery | ttx: ++ | 20:20 |
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| mestery | Informal, drinks, movement. What's not to like? | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | ttx: sounds good | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:20 |
| russellb | karaoke bar? | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | russellb: WOW! | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | love the idea | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:21 |
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| ttx | flaper87 is already reheasring all week | 20:21 |
| sdague | not so good for the talking part | 20:21 |
| annegentle | mestery had it, russellb escalated! :) | 20:21 |
| mestery | Karoke bar! | 20:21 |
| lifeless | nooo | 20:21 |
| mestery | Yay! | 20:21 |
| * flaper87 starts warming up | 20:21 | |
| lifeless | not for chatting | 20:21 |
| jeblair | sdague: some topics are best sung? | 20:21 |
| annegentle | lol | 20:21 |
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| annegentle | "Don't Stop Believing" | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project track at Design Summit | 20:21 |
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| ttx | sorry to be back on track | 20:21 |
| ttx | The cross-project workgroup met yesterday to curate the track contents | 20:21 |
| lifeless | ttx: one sec | 20:21 |
| jeblair | ttx: we all are | 20:21 |
| lifeless | I need to know if this is something we're going to get sponsored | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | or if it will be paid individually | 20:22 |
| ttx | I'm fine with paying my share | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | fine with != plan of record | 20:22 |
| russellb | same | 20:22 |
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| russellb | nobody has said "i'm paying", so I think that means pay your own. | 20:23 |
| mordred | lifeless: the post-gathering? we have agreements from humans to fund a TC gathering | 20:23 |
| lifeless | simply because if I"m going to chase down whoever mordred was extracting moo from, to do the same, I need warning :) | 20:23 |
| mordred | lifeless: specifically, HP has indicated that they are happy to continue paying | 20:23 |
| russellb | ah, nice. | 20:23 |
| lifeless | mordred: ok, can you loop me in, since I'm going to be the amex-on-the-ground | 20:23 |
| ttx | thanks HP | 20:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: so the proposal is mordred finds a place and lifeless organizes payment? | 20:23 |
| mordred | lifeless: excellent | 20:23 |
| mordred | yup | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | thanks HP! | 20:23 |
| mordred | or we might make cody-somerville go over and put a card down, but yeah | 20:23 |
| lifeless | mordred: and I suspect i need to dig up a P card for it | 20:23 |
| ttx | ok so | 20:23 |
| ttx | The result is at the bottom of: | 20:23 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning | 20:23 |
| sdague | cross project track | 20:24 |
| lifeless | mordred: drop me a mail @hpe.com ? | 20:24 |
| ttx | I have two suggestions: | 20:24 |
| ttx | If we swap 3 and 26, mtreinish can attend 26 (and dhellmann can attend both 3 and 11) | 20:24 |
| sdague | ttx: annegentle also spoke up about a conflict | 20:24 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 20:24 |
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| ttx | ah I may have missed that | 20:24 |
| annegentle | yah, 2:50 my only talk | 20:24 |
| sdague | ttx: it was on the ML | 20:24 |
| sdague | so trying to move 10 out of the 2:50 block | 20:24 |
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| ttx | sdague: I was distracted today for some reason | 20:24 |
| sdague | heh | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | I'm good with swapping but I think sdague had a conflict with 26 IIRC | 20:24 |
| annegentle | yah my kids started fighting and it was all downhill from there yesterday afternoon :) | 20:24 |
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| sdague | flaper87: I think the 3 / 26 flip is fine with me | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | sdague: cool | 20:25 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I'll swap them unless someone objects | 20:25 |
| ttx | swap 10 and 14 then ? but taht prevents anne from doing design summit 101 | 20:25 |
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| ttx | flaper87: wait | 20:26 |
| sdague | or move 10 to 2pm | 20:26 |
| sdague | we have the empty slot | 20:26 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: damnit | 20:26 |
| * flaper87 rollsback | 20:26 | |
| ttx | moving 10 to 2pm works... | 20:26 |
| sdague | annegentle: that work for you? | 20:26 |
| ttx | kills my second suggestion but meh | 20:26 |
| annegentle | how big is the place for walking time? | 20:26 |
| sdague | ttx: what was your second suggestion? | 20:27 |
| ttx | sdague: if we should not save one of the NACKs and schedule it on the empty slot at 2pm | 20:27 |
| lifeless | having dlm and dynamic reconfig conflict is a poor idea | 20:27 |
| ttx | For example one from rockyG on logging, combining 13 and 15 | 20:27 |
| sdague | ttx: we could put it at 2:50 | 20:27 |
| lifeless | since both are about dynamically handling changing environments | 20:27 |
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| ttx | sdague: yeah | 20:27 |
| ttx | flaper87: ok go | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | so, summary: | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | swap 3 and 26 | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | and ? | 20:27 |
| lifeless | isn't 14 and 19 a dhellmann conflict? | 20:27 |
| ttx | not sure anyone gets *that* movie reference | 20:27 |
| sdague | lifeless: the constraints on there make it a pretty hard flip around at this point | 20:27 |
| * flaper87 got lost | 20:27 | |
| annegentle | 10 to morning? | 20:28 |
| lifeless | moderating one... oslo ptl hat for other | 20:28 |
| sdague | lifeless: he's not oslo ptl | 20:28 |
| lifeless | oh | 20:28 |
| lifeless | release ptl | 20:28 |
| lifeless | meh :) | 20:28 |
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| ttx | swap 26 /3 move 10 to 2pm | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | roger | 20:28 |
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| Rockyg | Another one that might be more important is Refstack and Tempest ... how to make the testing work... | 20:28 |
| lifeless | sdague: yeah, I get thats a typical scheduling problem | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: thanks for pointing that out | 20:28 |
| ttx | and maybe make a single logging session for RockyG at 2:50pm | 20:28 |
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| jeblair | 3 26 swap 10 <empty> swap | 20:29 |
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| flaper87 | jeblair: that's readable! Executed :D | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | ttx: done | 20:29 |
| jeblair | <empty stack> | 20:29 |
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| Rockyg | Thanks! | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: <snack> | 20:29 |
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| ttx | RPN I see | 20:29 |
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| * Rockyg empty snack? | 20:30 | |
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| jeblair | Rockyg: :( | 20:30 |
| ttx | So what about putting 13+15 in the empty slot at 2:50pm ? | 20:30 |
| ttx | I don't think we need to preserve an empty slot at that hour | 20:30 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: could we move 14 there and add 13+15 at 11:15? | 20:30 |
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| Rockyg | ttx: if we can get treinish, I'd prefer working out how to go forward with tempest fw for refstack... | 20:30 |
| sdague | yeh, I was going to just suggest what dhellmann said | 20:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that works | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: did you get that or should I swap? | 20:31 |
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| flaper87 | sounds good to me | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | on it | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: ty | 20:31 |
| ttx | Rockyg: I think it's less of a cross-project thing though | 20:31 |
| jeblair | there will be a partial conflict with DLMs [lifeless] | 20:31 |
| sdague | Rockyg: so we've got "Supporting DefCore and Interop testing" already at 12:05 | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | ttx Ah, thanks. Need to make time with QA session... | 20:32 |
| ttx | if not covered there there are refstack slots and QA slots where that might fit | 20:32 |
| ttx | Alright, looks like we have a winner | 20:32 |
| ttx | Who volunteers to push that one to Cheddar ? I can add them as admin for the track | 20:32 |
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| Rockyg | Not covered yet and really important - QA and Refstack... | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 20:32 |
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| flaper87 | I can do it | 20:33 |
| sdague | ttx: I can do it if no other volunteer | 20:33 |
| lifeless | Rockyg: sorry, there are no slots from what I can see | 20:33 |
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| sdague | ok, there is another volunteer, so flaper87 wins | 20:33 |
| ttx | flaper87: I'll add you asap | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | ttx: thanks | 20:33 |
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| ttx | like during the next topic | 20:33 |
| ttx | #topic Kick off N naming | 20:33 |
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| ttx | sdague: care to drive this one ? | 20:33 |
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| sdague | sure | 20:33 |
| sdague | we're making plans now for things in M, N, and even sometimes O | 20:34 |
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| sdague | we should get some names out there instead of people inventing things, which get confusing later | 20:34 |
| ttx | flaper87: you reached Level 4 Warrior class. | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | yay! | 20:34 |
| * markmcclain thinks there was neutron discussion about completing a feature in X | 20:34 | |
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| sdague | N naming should just go by the current rules, and there is a sub point to change the rules to make O go | 20:35 |
| * dhellmann thinks x is closer than markmcclain thinks | 20:35 | |
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| * flaper87 is honored and ready for the battle | 20:35 | |
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| sdague | so, who's got the batton to drive the naming? | 20:35 |
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| markmcclain | dhellmann: it was halfway serious... since some deprecation timelines stretch to P | 20:35 |
| sdague | for N cycle | 20:35 |
| russellb | sdague does! | 20:35 |
| lifeless | +1 | 20:35 |
| lifeless | sdague: thank you for volunteering? | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | sdague: thanks! | 20:36 |
| jeblair | sdague: thanks! | 20:36 |
| sdague | russellb: no, I don't think so. I think after the rules changes last time mordred and jeblair signed up for such things | 20:36 |
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| sdague | we can probably find minutes even | 20:36 |
| mordred | I can do it again if people would like | 20:36 |
| annegentle | I think sdague's memory serves him | 20:36 |
| annegentle | well, even | 20:36 |
| mordred | but is also happy to share the love if other people want it | 20:36 |
| ttx | mordred: nice try :) | 20:36 |
| * russellb happy for whoever is up for it to do it | 20:37 | |
| * dhellmann wonders if N will be the "not it" release | 20:37 | |
| ttx | N is in Texas, might end up being even more dangerous than the Japanese one | 20:37 |
| russellb | heh | 20:37 |
| mestery | mordred and jeblair do such a nice job, it woudl be shame to not let them do it again :) | 20:37 |
| sdague | nixon texas is a town | 20:37 |
| sdague | just saying | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | oh boy | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I'll just go on record now as saying that I find that offensive ;-) | 20:37 |
| sdague | dhellmann: hey, just saying | 20:38 |
| ttx | sdague: alright, do you want to mention the rules change ? | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | ok, so, are we doing this? | 20:38 |
| sdague | sure so mordred has the action to run with N naming asap? | 20:38 |
| sdague | lets make it a thing | 20:38 |
| lifeless | +1 | 20:38 |
| ttx | yes, it's action mordred day | 20:38 |
| ttx | #agreed mordred to handle N naming process asap | 20:38 |
| russellb | thanks, mordred ! | 20:38 |
| sdague | ok, so sub bullet | 20:39 |
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| mordred | well, so, actually | 20:39 |
| mordred | I believe me handling it is a patch to that file | 20:39 |
| jeblair | yep, first step is to propose a governance change | 20:39 |
| sdague | mordred: and collect | 20:39 |
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| mordred | so it's great that we've agreed, but let me make a patch and submit it first | 20:39 |
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| sdague | ok so - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232489/ | 20:39 |
| sdague | sub bullet | 20:39 |
| sdague | lets not put an artificle restriction on when we can start naming | 20:40 |
| sdague | we have a place for O | 20:40 |
| sdague | and we're already hit code change discussions for O min libvirt release | 20:40 |
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| sdague | so I'd like us to name it | 20:40 |
| ttx | so on this one I think we need to know the name of the next two releases at any time | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | IIUC, it was intended to ensure that the folks participating in the release had a chance to name it, so it wasn't about folks leaving but about folks joining, and it wasn't artificial it was intentional | 20:40 |
| ttx | "as soon as we know the location" is a bit open-ended | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | that said, I agree it's useful to drop it | 20:40 |
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| ttx | I have been scouting locations for 2018 | 20:41 |
| sdague | dhellmann: right, I do see that, but I also think we're planning more than one cycle out | 20:41 |
| ttx | I'm fine with "next 2 which means we need to pick O as soon as Liberty is out | 20:41 |
| anteaya | ttx: you progressive thinker you | 20:41 |
| ttx | as long as we know where the summit is | 20:41 |
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| sdague | and the shifting term for the N+1 release is confusing to new folks | 20:41 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: yep, I agree, I just wanted the framing to be accurate in the minutes | 20:41 |
| annegentle | yeah and we're heading towards an N release anyway | 20:41 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: do you think the locatoins will be announced with so much time in advance? | 20:42 |
| sdague | because we want to land code on O libvirt requirements nowish in official repos, so the distros have a year to get ready for us | 20:42 |
| annegentle | I'd like to propose decoupling from the summit, but will do so in a follow-up. Would that be amenable to our end-goals to have some fun, engage those working on releases? | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | we normally know the locations for the next 2 | 20:42 |
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| flaper87 | I'm good with limiting it to just 2 but it may not be necessary | 20:42 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232489 currently has 11 +1s | 20:42 |
| ttx | flaper87: more and more we'll know the locations in advance. We have known about next 3 (Tokyo; Austin; Barcelona) back in YVR | 20:42 |
| anteaya | annegentle: decoupling from summit, meaning not tying names to geography? | 20:42 |
| annegentle | decouple from location entirely even, or choose a location related to a contributor | 20:42 |
| ttx | annegentle: wait until we reach Z maybe | 20:43 |
| ttx | sdague: ok, let me approve | 20:43 |
| annegentle | ttx: heh, go through 26 first, sure. that's only 8 years away | 20:43 |
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| ttx | sdague: approved | 20:43 |
| ttx | (I abstained, I hope it still works) | 20:44 |
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| ttx | sdague: anything else on that topic ? | 20:44 |
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| sdague | nope | 20:44 |
| ttx | #topic Workgroup reports and new members | 20:45 |
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| ttx | We have two established workgroups: comms and next-tags | 20:45 |
| ttx | Anyone interested in joining/leaving those groups ? | 20:45 |
| ttx | Also I've been toying with the idea of assigning mentor TC members to projects which application has been deferred to mitaka | 20:45 |
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| ttx | That is Compass, Fuel, kiloeyes, Monasca, Kosmos and Juju charms | 20:45 |
| ttx | We deferred all of them waiting for more activity or more alignment with the OpenStack way | 20:45 |
| ttx | I think it would help them (and us) if there were some designated person(s) keeping track of their progress | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:46 |
| ttx | and reporting to the TC when they feel they are ready, for example | 20:46 |
| angdraug | +1 | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | I'd be all for that. I proposed this back when marconi was rejected but those were different times, I guess | 20:46 |
| annegentle | ttx: tracking as in going to their meetings? Or some other scope? | 20:46 |
| ttx | rather than us randomly putting it back on the approval slate after a period of time | 20:46 |
| mestery | +1 to that idea on mentoring ttx | 20:46 |
| ttx | annegentle: keeping track of their progress, be a mentor | 20:46 |
| ttx | answer their questions, reporting to the rest of teh TC about progress | 20:47 |
| annegentle | ttx: ok, yeah makes sense, I imagine being available for Qs would be a big helper | 20:47 |
| jeblair | it doesn't sound particularly scalable; and things like the project team guide were meant to help scalability... | 20:47 |
| ttx | I don't expect we'll have a large backlog | 20:47 |
| jeblair | fair | 20:47 |
| ttx | or at least, not a growing one | 20:47 |
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| flaper87 | I really hope we don't, otherwise we'd be failing to communicate the requirements | 20:47 |
| ttx | we probably reached a peak, partly due to fine-tuning our expectations | 20:48 |
| sdague | maybe, it seems like there are new bits coming to the fold quite often in the project-config repo | 20:48 |
| angdraug | I think part of a mentor's responsibility would be to identify gaps in documentation based on questions they receive | 20:48 |
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| annegentle | angdraug: could be, but it's much more than that | 20:48 |
| ttx | jeblair: also like for other workgroups I'm not opposed if someone outside the TC would take the job | 20:48 |
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| angdraug | just trying to address the backlog concern | 20:49 |
| lifeless | angdraug: we can do that without a mentor | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I can work with you on that idea (mentor) | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Coaching on outreach to community, or facilitating cross project design meetings... | 20:49 |
| lifeless | the backlog is really just the period of time that projects will exist for before they are ready to join, as a minimum | 20:49 |
| lifeless | like - we can't expect that to disappear | 20:49 |
| ttx | well, it will only work if we have volunteers anyway | 20:49 |
| annegentle | I see it as outreach and facilitation, onboarding | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | lets write down some plan and expectations | 20:50 |
| ttx | so no point in saying we'll do it before we have people signed up to actually do it | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | then we can ask for volunteers and see how it goes | 20:50 |
| ttx | flaper87: sounds good | 20:50 |
| lifeless | I'd be happy to mentor a project | 20:50 |
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| markmcclain | I can help out with 1 | 20:50 |
| ttx | flaper87: the base idea being, if we defer a project application, we should assign someone to follow that project | 20:50 |
| ttx | not just leave them out in the cold | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yup | 20:51 |
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| ttx | If we think a project will never make it we should *reject* the application, not defer it | 20:51 |
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| mestery | ttx: Those are sane ideas, I like it. | 20:52 |
| mestery | flaper87 ttx: I can help out here too if you need more people | 20:52 |
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| ttx | ack | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | mestery: awesome, thanks | 20:52 |
| ttx | alright, 8 min left | 20:52 |
| ttx | I had two other things proposed on the agenda | 20:52 |
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| ttx | JavaScript to Common Testing Interface is being actively reviewed, not sure there is a point in discussing it in the remaining time | 20:53 |
| annegentle | I'm happy for the active docs discussion early on | 20:53 |
| ttx | Go comment on https://review.openstack.org/232756 and we'll look into it a future time | 20:53 |
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| ttx | #topic Add team:non-diverse-affiliation tag | 20:53 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/218725 | 20:53 |
| jeblair | annegentle: among good problems to have: "where to put these docs people really want to write" | 20:53 |
| ttx | that one is a bit stuck with two parties disagreeing | 20:54 |
| annegentle | jeblair: srsly! | 20:54 |
| ttx | we could call for a final vote on it | 20:54 |
| * dhellmann finds both arguments persuasive | 20:54 | |
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| ttx | or we can let it mature a bit more and have people change their opinions over sake | 20:54 |
| ttx | I'm for sake at this stage | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | I meant to comment on that one on Friday and forgot | 20:54 |
| ttx | but then I can't oppose a request for final voting | 20:54 |
| dtroyer | Agreed. with the opportunity for in-person discussion close we should take advantage of that | 20:55 |
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| sdague | honestly, I'd say lets do it post summit / sake | 20:55 |
| sdague | but we should resolve it after we get back one way or another | 20:55 |
| ttx | (as a reminder, final voting triggers the charter voting rules, meaning the chaneg is accepted if it has more YES than NOes) | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: kanpai! | 20:55 |
| flaper87 | there's no rush in doing it now | 20:55 |
| annegentle | I think we'll be getting lots of input at the summit about what's important to people, so deferring makes sense. | 20:55 |
| ttx | right | 20:55 |
| ttx | No rush | 20:55 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:56 |
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| jeblair | this sounds like a plan. | 20:56 |
| ttx | I won't be around next week -- we can either skip or have someone else chair. | 20:56 |
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| ttx | I don't expect we'll build a backlog by then | 20:56 |
| annegentle | anything pressing? I doubt it | 20:56 |
| annegentle | I think it's ok to skip | 20:56 |
| jeblair | i won't be around either | 20:56 |
| sdague | I guess one last thing on naming, should now that we can do O naming, should we run it concurrent with N, or post N ? | 20:56 |
| ttx | and it will be too early to reconsider the deferred-to-mitaka projects | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | I don't think I'll be here | 20:56 |
| sdague | naming that is | 20:56 |
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| flaper87 | I'd appreciate not waking up at 5am next week :) | 20:56 |
| ttx | sdague: I'd say post-N | 20:56 |
| ttx | to reduce confusion | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | yeah, right after | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | but I'll happily do it if there's a meeting | 20:57 |
| markmcclain | yeah... serially | 20:57 |
| sdague | ttx: can we do it after polls close, but it's still in trademark search? | 20:57 |
| edleafe | +1 for post-N | 20:57 |
| angdraug | what's the current state of the discussion of alternatives to LP? dormant? | 20:57 |
| sdague | because I'd like to not wait too long | 20:57 |
| annegentle | flaper87: where are you, new zealand? Australia? Japan? | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: Japan | 20:57 |
| sdague | we are going to commit things to repos that so Osomething | 20:57 |
| annegentle | flaper87: cool | 20:57 |
| anteaya | angdraug: see the infra meeting log prior to this meeting | 20:57 |
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| ttx | sdague: I guess so. That would still trigger the confusion... like picking the O candidates while we don't know what N will be | 20:57 |
| annegentle | angdraug: ooo I'm going to look also | 20:58 |
| sdague | yeh, it will require communication | 20:58 |
| sdague | that's why running concurrently honestly seemed like maybe a better deal | 20:58 |
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| ttx | sdague: I don't think we need to rush it, but I'm fine with whatever | 20:58 |
| sdague | maybe I'll poke mordred and volunteer to help | 20:59 |
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| ttx | so.. skipping next week and see you all at summit ? | 20:59 |
| sdague | sounds good | 20:59 |
| jeblair | ++ | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | yes | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | sounds good | 20:59 |
| ttx | alright | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 20:59 |
| annegentle | good | 20:59 |
| ttx | thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | w00h00 | 20:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 20:59:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-10-13-20.02.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-10-13-20.02.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-10-13-20.02.log.html | 20:59 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 13 21:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | courtesy ping for david-lyle flaper87 dims dtroyer johnthetubaguy rakhmerov | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | courtesy ping for smelikyan morganfainberg adrian_otto bswartz slagle | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:00 | |
| EmilienM | courtesy ping for adrian_otto mestery kiall jeblair thinrichs j^2 stevebaker | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | courtesy ping for mtreinish Daisy Piet notmyname ttx isviridov gordc SlickNik | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | courtesy ping for cloudnull loquacities thingee hyakuhei redrobot dirk TravT | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | courtesy ping for vipul annegentle SergeyLukjanov devananda boris-42 nikhil_k and lifeless | 21:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | #link Meeting URL https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
| Piet | Here | 21:00 |
| nikhil | o/ | 21:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 21:00 |
| annegentle | here | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:00 |
| docaedo | o/ | 21:00 |
| shamail | here | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | here | 21:00 |
| lifeless | o/ | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ (ish) | 21:00 |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| docaedo | (where's my courtesy ping??) | 21:00 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jroll | \o | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:00 |
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| angdraug | o/ | 21:00 |
| * mestery thinks the courtesy ping copy paste needs updating | 21:01 | |
| devananda | o/ | 21:01 |
| EmilienM | probably | 21:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | lol | 21:01 |
| mestery | :) | 21:01 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Review past action items | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review past action items (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:01 | |
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| skraynev_ | here | 21:01 |
| EmilienM | notmyname to investigate how proposed service catalog change impacts swift further | 21:01 |
| epende | o/ | 21:01 |
| armax | mestery: here | 21:01 |
| jroll | mestery: it's a script based on governance repo, I thought that was updated >.> | 21:01 |
| * jroll digs | 21:01 | |
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| notmyname | EmilienM: I did, and left some comments on the spec | 21:01 |
| EmilienM | notmyname: great, can you remind us the link please ? | 21:02 |
| notmyname | let me find it :-) | 21:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/ | 21:02 |
| annegentle | thanks notmyname | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | but it seems there might be some assumed info that isn't in the spec either | 21:03 |
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| EmilienM | I guess that's something that will be discussed during the summit (?) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | my biggest concern with the spec as written is the implication of client changes | 21:03 |
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| EmilienM | notmyname: do you want to talk about it now? or go ahead in the agenda? | 21:04 |
| annegentle | notmyname: we don't want to break clients but do want them to evolve as our service catalog gets nicer | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | annegentle: of course! and I think many parts of that spec are great! | 21:05 |
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| annegentle | EmilienM: we can continue in the spec, no prob | 21:05 |
| EmilienM | annegentle: ok | 21:05 |
| EmilienM | #topic Horizontal Team Announcements | 21:05 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:06 |
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| ttx | On the Design Summit front, we want to have all tracks published by the end of the week | 21:06 |
| ttx | So if you haven't pushed your schedule to Cheddar yet, please do so ASAP | 21:06 |
| ttx | or thingee will track you down wherever you hide | 21:06 |
| ttx | On the release management front, we are 2 days before the end of the liberty dev cycle | 21:06 |
| EmilienM | #action PTLs to update Design Schedule by the end of the week | 21:07 |
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| ttx | We're respinning a few due to the webob sutuation | 21:07 |
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| ttx | hopefully will be done son (though Glance might take until tomorrow) | 21:07 |
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| ttx | soon* | 21:07 |
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| ttx | It's also more than time to complete your release notes at: | 21:07 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty | 21:07 |
| ttx | That is all from me... questions ? | 21:08 |
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| EmilienM | sounds like no, thanks ttx for your informations | 21:09 |
| EmilienM | #topic New API Guidelines ready for cross project review | 21:09 |
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| EmilienM | This topic is only added for CPL visibility. Comments should go into the review linked to below. | 21:09 |
| EmilienM | #link Adds an API documentation guideline document https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214817/ | 21:09 |
| EmilienM | #link Add http400 for nonexistent resource https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221163/ | 21:09 |
| EmilienM | annegentle: did you want to discuss about ^ ? | 21:10 |
| annegentle | EmilienM: I think that we're just making sure everyone knows we're freezing those for the API WG | 21:10 |
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| annegentle | EmilienM: so people can comment on the review | 21:11 |
| EmilienM | great | 21:12 |
| EmilienM | #action PTLs to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214817/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221163/ | 21:12 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Skip meeting on next two weeks ? | 21:12 |
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| EmilienM | the summit's week, I guess that's for sure | 21:12 |
| EmilienM | but next week? | 21:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Skip meeting on next two weeks ? (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:12 | |
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| ttx | If we don't skip we'll need a volunteer chair. i'm not around | 21:12 |
| EmilienM | ttx: that's not an issue, I volunteer. | 21:12 |
| ttx | dude you are on a roll | 21:13 |
| EmilienM | I'll wait to see if we have an agenda | 21:13 |
| EmilienM | if there is no topic, I'll cancel it and use ML to let you know | 21:13 |
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| jroll | I can be here if we have it | 21:13 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 21:13 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to be the next meeting chair | 21:14 |
| EmilienM | #topic Open discussion | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:14 | |
| fungi | stackforge namespace retirement maintenance will commence this saturday, october 17, at 18:00 utc | 21:14 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Stackforge_Namespace_Retirement | 21:14 |
| fungi | the Stackforge_Namespace_Retirement wiki article will be locked and non-maintenance-related project-config changes frozen at 13:00 utc this friday, october 16 | 21:14 |
| EmilienM | #info stackforge namespace retirement maintenance will commence this saturday, october 17, at 18:00 utc | 21:14 |
| fungi | (/me missed hitting enter before the horizontal announcements topic ended) | 21:15 |
| annegentle | it's here already! :) | 21:15 |
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| annegentle | Good deal. | 21:15 |
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| EmilienM | fungi: thank you for the information! | 21:16 |
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| EmilienM | anything else to talk about for today? | 21:16 |
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| shamail | Does it make sense to link cross project sessions in this meeting too? | 21:16 |
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| EmilienM | shamail: link how? | 21:17 |
| Rockyg | shamail, +1 | 21:17 |
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| annegentle | oh yes | 21:17 |
| shamail | The selected cross-project sessions for the upcoming summit are listed at the bottom of this etherpad. | 21:18 |
| Rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning | 21:18 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning | 21:18 |
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| EmilienM | shamail: thanks | 21:18 |
| shamail | yw | 21:18 |
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| EmilienM | anything else? I close the meeting in 30s otherwise | 21:19 |
| shamail | Thanks for chairing EmilienM | 21:19 |
| EmilienM | that's it for today, thanks everyone and don't forget to brush your teeth! | 21:19 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 21:19 |
| edleafe | yes, thanks! | 21:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 13 21:19:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-10-13-21.00.html | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-10-13-21.00.txt | 21:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-10-13-21.00.log.html | 21:19 |
| fungi | thanks EmilienM! | 21:20 |
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| Rockyg | Thanks! | 21:20 |
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| jroll | wow, so fast | 21:20 |
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| EmilienM | lol | 21:20 |
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