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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 08:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
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| anteaya | if you are present for the third party meeting do raise your hand | 08:01 |
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| vhejral | hi, raising | 08:01 |
| anteaya | vhejral: hello | 08:02 |
| anteaya | vhejral: you were here last week, welcome back | 08:03 |
| vhejral | thanks | 08:03 |
| anteaya | did you have anything you wanted to discuss today? | 08:03 |
| lennyb | hi | 08:03 |
| vhejral | anteaya: no | 08:04 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb | 08:04 |
| anteaya | vhejral: okay thanks | 08:04 |
| lennyb | I have nothing to discuss | 08:04 |
| anteaya | lennyb: okay thanks for letting me know | 08:04 |
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| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075532.html | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | take a look at that email post to the -dev mailing list | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | it is the beginning of an initiative by the openstack foundation | 08:05 |
| anteaya | hogepodge is the driver | 08:05 |
| anteaya | he is calling for participation so now is a good time to get involved with him | 08:06 |
| anteaya | you can contact him directly | 08:06 |
| anteaya | nothing with change as far as what is required from infra and from the projects | 08:06 |
| anteaya | this is what the openstack foundation will want to see regarding the use of trademarks | 08:07 |
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| anteaya | does that make sense? | 08:07 |
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| lennyb | absolutely. We will check what do we need | 08:08 |
| vhejral | we'll check | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | great thank you | 08:09 |
| anteaya | how are your systems working? | 08:10 |
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| vhejral | CIs are fine so far | 08:12 |
| anteaya | vhejral: okay great, thank you | 08:13 |
| anteaya | can you take a look at this spec | 08:14 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194437/ | 08:14 |
| anteaya | and consider offering a review | 08:14 |
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| vhejral | i'll do | 08:16 |
| anteaya | thank you vhejral | 08:17 |
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| anteaya | can we think of any reason for me to keep the meeting open? | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | okay I will close it | 08:22 |
| anteaya | thank you for your kind attendance and participation | 08:23 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:23 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 08:23:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-29-08.00.html | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-29-08.00.txt | 08:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-29-08.00.log.html | 08:23 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 12:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 12:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 12:00 |
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| sdague | o/ | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | hello | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | ok, let's run the meeting | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic actions from last meeting | 12:01 |
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| alex_xu | alex_xu eliqiao check max length of hostname on linux and windows again | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | we did that and patch merged | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224438/ | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | alex_xu catch gmann about backport patch or work on it if have enough time | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | Thanks to gmann work out the backport patch | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/227135 | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | i also work out another one | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/228774 | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | hope everyone can review them, or I will catch up some stable branch core | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so all the stable patches will get a -2, until RC2 opens next tuesday | 12:03 |
| sdague | I just +2ed from stable perspective | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I like us getting those lined up ASAP | 12:03 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: this is kilo | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, my bad | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: those are kilo | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | is kilo out of its freeze? | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should really pay more attention, and stop using my not on stable-core as an excuse | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: there is freeze for kilo? | 12:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was a stable freeze at some point, while they cut a new release, or some such, its probably happened already | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | ok, I can catch some stable-core to review them | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | #action alex_xu catch up stable-core review the api bug kilo back-port | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy contact the doc team to see what we can help on missing stuff in the doc | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, so I failed to do that | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but, they do have the last patch up for that bug | 12:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I plan on taking a look at that, and see what more needs doing | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227672/ | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | part of me wants to remove v2, v2 extensions and v2.1 and just have a single doc for "compute API" that describes the details | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets talk about that later in the agenda | 12:07 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: so they are updating wadl manually? | 12:07 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: me too | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: yes, basically | 12:07 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: do you want another action? | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Concept Doc | 12:08 |
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| * alex_xu jump the topic directly | 12:09 | |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/226253 | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thats fine, yeah, lets talk about it here | 12:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks for the update there | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | after we merged that patch, we can add more doc on it | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: np | 12:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, feel free to hand patches off that change, I guess | 12:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should talk about those API reference docs | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do people think about just going to a single doc about the compute API, with a quick description about the extensions | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | and versions | 12:11 |
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| alex_xu | looks like, anyway v2.1 and v2 is equal except few things | 12:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking each bit could get required/related extensions: X, Y, Z and min_version: 2.6 or something like that? | 12:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the problem is v2 is split into two, which kinda gives the wrong message, I feel | 12:12 |
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| edleafe | I think any docs moving forward should be about the current API. Then add a comment somewhere about legacy stuff | 12:12 |
| sdague | honestly, I like the idea of a unified document | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: what means v2 split into two? | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I think we need the version history as it evolves | 12:13 |
| edleafe | Those docs should be separate so they can be removed when v2 goes away | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: so I was super unclear, I really mean v2 vs v2 extensions, but I also mean those two and v2.1 | 12:13 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: microversion as separate or embedded in same doc | 12:13 |
| sdague | edleafe: right, except v2.1 and v2 are basically the same thing | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: v2 will never go away through really, thats the bit I like | 12:13 |
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| sdague | it was kind of the point :) | 12:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, thats a better way of putting it | 12:14 |
| edleafe | well, true, except for extensions | 12:14 |
| sdague | sure | 12:14 |
| sdague | but those bits can be called out | 12:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: I prefer embedded my self, but I think honestly the tooling will end up deciding that, I am really focusing about getting v2.1 base version accurate first | 12:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 12:15 |
| gmann_ | ok | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was thinking we treat extensions and versions in a similar way | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | for this to be there in v2, you need to see extension XYZ, for v2.1 this needs version 2.6, or whatever it is | 12:15 |
| gmann_ | but extension we can just remove as those are anyways deprecated.. | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | for v1.1 its the same as v2, etc | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: well its still in the API, technically, it just becomes less important | 12:16 |
| edleafe | I think we should always refer to v2 in the docs as 'legacy v2' | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: so there are two things here | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | endpoint /v2.0 and the legacy v2 code base | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | the docs for the API should not ever mention the code | 12:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, I don't really mean that, but hopefully that makes sense in some world | 12:17 |
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| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I was referring to the v2 API design, with extensions, etc. | 12:18 |
| edleafe | not the code base behind it | 12:18 |
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| edleafe | but in the same way we marked the code as legacy for devs, we refer to the API as legacy for consumers | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so I call that v2.0 because thats not v2.1 so its spearate from the legacy v2 implementation, but maybe thats dumb | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | well its not really legacy | 12:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its just an endpoint that is unlikely to ever die and will get no new features, hmm, so maybe it is | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I would rather they not have names as such | 12:19 |
| edleafe | to-may-to, to-mah-to :) | 12:19 |
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| sdague | so, I think this is consistent if we have 1 document, then with resources that were in the extension set in v2 we just comment it with "this used to be an extension in the API, not all cloud providers may have it enabled." | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can reference the URLs more, so I hope thats clerer in the docs | 12:20 |
| sdague | or something | 12:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 12:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats what I am attempting to say, badly | 12:20 |
| sdague | but, honestly, we should start with a holistic view and comment where it deviates | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I like us focusing on the base v2.1 version to start with | 12:20 |
| sdague | and, also probably comment where things are defcore required elements | 12:20 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 12:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: so the service catalog and it pointing to a version, do we have a transition plan sorted yet? | 12:21 |
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| alex_xu | we are talking about the current wadl doc, or the future swagger generated doc? | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | extension or core api, in some column like option/positional req param | 12:21 |
| sdague | no, I'm chatting with stevemar in a couple of hours about some of the service catalog stuff going forward | 12:21 |
| sdague | and have the summit as my deadline for proposals on all of this | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I like the idea of making a new endpoint, called os-compute (don't think any folks use that today) point at / so users know about the versions from the version list | 12:22 |
| sdague | I've got some ideas about how it would work | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: cool, lets leave that alone for now then | 12:22 |
| sdague | I feel like os- is overkill given that it's the openstack service catalog | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: gmann_: I am really thinking about the current one, with a nod to swagger | 12:23 |
| sdague | but, I do get that we have a problem with existing values there | 12:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: understood, I was just thinking about how to describe it in the API docs really | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so for swagger | 12:24 |
| sdague | yeh, that's fair, I think it's just going to be a bit undefined for a bit | 12:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, true | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I just was thing, if that doc generated from swagger, how to describe the little different between v2 and v2.1 | 12:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | swagger I think is likely to generate a new doc tree for each version | 12:24 |
| sdague | there must be some way to provide comments right? | 12:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we can create a v2.0 and v2.1 v2.2, etc | 12:24 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yea, right | 12:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, I think we just add the extension stuff as a comment in the v2.0 one | 12:25 |
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| alex_xu | ok, that may not a problem | 12:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it all seems OK-ish | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | v1.1 can just redirect to v2.0, etc | 12:25 |
| sdague | yeh, do we have some test bits out there to play with the swagger parts | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | ok, so basically we are ok with unifed doc for v1.1, v2 and v2.1, right? | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the current version of the doc, yes | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | cool | 12:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | for swagger, I think they end up being the same page with multiple links, then we add changes in future ones for v2.2, etc | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | #info we hope to have unifed api ref doc for v1.1, v2 and v2.1 | 12:27 |
| edleafe | Is v1.1 still used anywhere? | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: its in our default install | 12:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it is just an alias for v2.0 | 12:27 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: ugh | 12:27 |
| gmann_ | also may be some dropdown thing for version etc. | 12:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | v2.0 is the first version of our API, oddly | 12:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (well assuming you don't count the ec2 compat one) | 12:27 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: Oh, I remember the history | 12:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just making sure we all agree really | 12:28 |
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| gmann_ | yup | 12:28 |
| * bauzas waves again super late and lurks | 12:29 | |
| alex_xu | yea | 12:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, seems like we have a bit of a docs plan forming there | 12:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: did you check to see if all the issues on your etherpad are fixed now | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: not yet | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: it looks like the api-site repo has been updated to fix all those | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: is it OK to give you that action? | 12:30 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, it is ok for me | 12:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I can take the action to attempt some doc unification, and see what folks think in the docs side of the house | 12:30 |
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| alex_xu | #action alex_xu ceck to see if all the issues fixed on the v2.1 api doc | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | #action johnthetubaguy take a look at more about doc unification | 12:31 |
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| alex_xu | any more actions? | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | ok, so let's move on | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | that seems good, thank you | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | #topic Mitaka planning | 12:32 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-api-mitaka | 12:32 |
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| alex_xu | I fill few items | 12:32 |
| sdague | what bits of v3 are still out there? | 12:33 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: Thanks | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | please feel free add more and more detail for each item | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have an idea of a possible focus area... | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | sdague: we just deprecated, like APIRouterV3 still in the code, just left some cleanup work | 12:33 |
| sdague | ah, gotcha | 12:34 |
| gmann_ | sdague: may be some v3 APIrouter and config options which we deprecated.. | 12:34 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah, thats good to do | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so my idea for focus is actually feature classification | 12:34 |
| gmann_ | remove extension? are we planning to do in M? | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have some notes on the idea here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215664/ | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: I guess that need dicussion in summit | 12:35 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: ok | 12:35 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sure, it feels like we should have a good docs story first | 12:35 |
| sdague | but that seems like part of the doc story | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically feature classification would help us make sure we document and test everything we need | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, its about joining up our CI tests, with tempest tests, and docs, so we know what features are "finished" for some definition of "finished" | 12:36 |
| * alex_xu will take a look at that patch to get what is that | 12:36 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we say this API is tested, and its documented here | 12:36 |
| gmann_ | it looks interesting. i ll also look in detail tomorow | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | the other side of this, is that we take a user focused look at the API | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | (through the testing and docs work) | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | and that will help us work out what needs urgent attention so we are more interoperable, etc | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | and have a more usable API | 12:37 |
| alex_xu | probably get, finish the coding, doc and test, then we can call it finished | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | the task work looks like it might be getting attention, and could eventually impact the API usability | 12:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thats pretty much it, along with "complete enough to be useful", should be in that doc | 12:38 |
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| sdague | right, up until this point the api doc and testing has been playing catch up to the code | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok | 12:39 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: how about adding use case of API in doc. we will have those in spec | 12:39 |
| sdague | and now we'd like to invert that a bit | 12:39 |
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| edleafe | sdague: +1 | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, at least, understanding the gaps, so people know what to work on | 12:39 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea | 12:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: totally needs the usecase in the docs, I am thinking about migrate vs evacuate, as an example | 12:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: probably in the concept docs, and linked, but thats fine, all part of the story | 12:40 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, there is another idea that follow on from this... | 12:41 |
| gmann_ | and also link to spec too.. | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | marking an API as experimental, until its fully tested and documenting, so its possible it would be removed, until that is complete | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I know that has problems | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | sounds like we want to introduce 'experimental' back again | 12:42 |
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| sdague | honestly, I don't think experimental works | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, thats a separate conversation, but I think it would help make sure we get docs added, it would be nice to avoid that though | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: so now we have depends on, maybe we just don't need that | 12:43 |
| sdague | but we do need a way to mark up which bits are tested and documented | 12:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, anyways, something to think about | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the need to remove something if its never tested that worries me really, never been able to do that in the API | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I think a docs focus is needed, as we didn't manage it this cycle | 12:44 |
| sdague | right | 12:45 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | feature classification I think would help organise that effort somewhat (and leave us with handy docs for our users) | 12:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (PS it needs a better name!) | 12:45 |
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| bauzas | feature classification ? | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets not go there right now | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | ok | 12:46 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: okay, let's discuss that off-topic | 12:46 |
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| alex_xu | so I think we needn't discussion each item in the etherpad today? when people think about more and fill more detail, then we can dicussion each item more in next few meetings, is that ok? | 12:47 |
| sdague | if we set the goal as a solid API guide for mitaka release day, I think we'll all be really happy | 12:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 12:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, everything else is optional | 12:47 |
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| alex_xu | heh yea | 12:47 |
| gmann_ | yea +1 :) | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | really, I would love us to do no more API work until we have the docs done (mins the odd features folks push in) | 12:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think JSON home is great, its just docs are more important right now (we might end up needing that for the docs, but thats a different thing) | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | what do people think? | 12:49 |
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| sdague | +1 | 12:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I know its not very exciting, but our users need this to happen | 12:49 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea, we can add providing the req response scheme there | 12:49 |
| sdague | yeh, it should be possible to write an application to Nova without reading the nova source code | 12:50 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: +1 for doc. but I love still json-home | 12:50 |
| sdague | today I don't think that's possible | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: very well put | 12:50 |
| edleafe | yeah, docs are the biggest need by far | 12:50 |
| alex_xu | ok, looks like we all agree on the doc is important | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | that means we don't do json home till its done, which hurts, but I think its the right call | 12:51 |
| oomichi_ | I hope the doc is auto-generated without human's hands as possible | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | oomichi_: yea | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi_: we need real concept docs first | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | the hard stuff | 12:52 |
| oomichi_ | johnthetubaguy: +1 for the concept fist | 12:52 |
| oomichi_ | s/fist/first/ | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideally we make sure swagger can do the right thing for us too | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi_: you still going to get that prototype ready for the summit? | 12:53 |
| oomichi_ | yeah, I am trying now. | 12:53 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: from json-home user can know the available features supported by cloud | 12:53 |
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| sdague | gmann_: sure, but unless they understand what those features mean, it's not super useful | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | I'm also taking look at also | 12:53 |
| gmann_ | which will be runtime dicovery | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: there are a whole heap of issues making that real, sadly (policy mostly), and yes, docs are more important right now | 12:53 |
| sdague | I do get that's part of the discovery story | 12:53 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: ye, totally agree after doc, we can do that stuff | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: so docs will take all of us all cycle, I suspect | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | they are hard | 12:54 |
| oomichi_ | I tolk about it with mtreinish at qa-meetup, and it is fine to include it in tempest | 12:54 |
| sdague | and, as johnthetubaguy said, there is this whole story around policy that needs sorted | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, the auto generation stuff | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | request validation stuff gives us the requests I guess? | 12:54 |
| gmann_ | hummm, yea. +1 after doc fix. | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have the API sample generation semi-auto stuff, does that get us all the responses already? | 12:55 |
| sdague | they are in slightly incompatible formats | 12:55 |
| sdague | some way to unify all that would be good | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so my head is thinking... auto generate from code the docs, use those docs to test the API | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi_: are you things going that way? | 12:57 |
| * alex_xu warn the time is close | 12:57 | |
| oomichi_ | we will be able to generate api doc from json-schema for response/request | 12:57 |
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| oomichi_ | if migrating json-schema of response from tempest into nova | 12:57 |
| alex_xu | 2 mins left | 12:58 |
| oomichi_ | I will explain it later on openstack-nova | 12:58 |
| gmann_ | yea, that's the final plan to have response one also in nova tree | 12:58 |
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| gmann_ | as discussed in last summit.. | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | one more thing | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | I will begin public vacation from tomorrow, will back until next Thursday. Appreciate if anyone can running the meeting next week. | 12:59 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I can run it | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks a lot | 12:59 |
| sdague | enjoy your vacation | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | so let's move the discussion to openstack-nova | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | let's close the meeting, thanks all! | 12:59 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 12:59 |
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| gmann_ | Thanks all | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 12:59:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-09-29-12.00.html | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-09-29-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| oomichi_ | alex_xu: thanks for leading | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-09-29-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi_: np | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: have a good break, you have worked crazy hard recently! | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks :) | 13:00 |
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| Qiming_ | #startmeeting senlin | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 13:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | hello | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | I thought you were still in another meeting :) | 13:01 |
| Qiming | yep, was talking to TOSCA guys | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | nice | 13:02 |
| haiwei | hi | 13:02 |
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| haiwei | what is nice? | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | time for adding things to the agenda | 13:02 |
| Qiming | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Weekly_Senlin_.28Clustering.29_meeting | 13:03 |
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| jruano | hello | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei, about meeting with tosca team :) | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hello, jruano | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, jruano | 13:03 |
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| haiwei | oh, nice | 13:04 |
| jruano | i have a design session setup for tomorrow morning. can meet in irc, and i will share the call info | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks, jruano | 13:04 |
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| jruano | one hour before this time tomorrow so i think 1200 UTC | 13:04 |
| jruano | we will do an overview on tosca and the vision we see for collaboration with senlin | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | jruano, there is a call in number? | 13:05 |
| jruano | there is, one sec | 13:06 |
| jruano | https://www.teleconference.att.com/servlet/glbAccess?process=1&accessCode=81307605&accessNumber=2158616239#C2 | 13:07 |
| jruano | passcode: 81307605 | 13:07 |
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| jruano | ill be on irc if anyone has any issues getting in | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | great | 13:08 |
| Qiming | #topic container cluster | 13:08 |
| Qiming | we have got some updates from the SUR team: https://github.com/eshijia/Open-SUR | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | the team has been documenting their progresses here | 13:09 |
| Qiming | I've suggested them to move it to etherpad, will share with you the link when we have something new | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | network very unstable these days, and Notes is not responding | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | jruano, do you still have bandwidth to work on this topic? | 13:12 |
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| jruano | i do. we've been talking on the side with ton, and he invited me to the meeting this week. i've been working on standing up a coreos cluster | 13:12 |
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| jruano | i will show up for the meetings and start working on items | 13:13 |
| Qiming | okay, will get you into the circle then | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | hope we can get something up running in coming days | 13:13 |
| Qiming | #topic trigger implementation | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | Our trigger type implementation, the ceilometer alarm one, has to be based on the new alarming service -- aodh | 13:14 |
| Qiming | I have proposed a change to openstacksdk here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226689/ | 13:15 |
| Qiming | hope it will be accepted soon, the recent progress at the sdk side is really slow | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | cool, and I saw gordon's comment | 13:16 |
| Qiming | however, we can still use the existing telemetry service (as an experiement) | 13:17 |
| Qiming | I will proceed at senlin side at the same time, so that we won't be blocked by this change | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | yes, at least for now before the alarm related code is removed from ceilometer completely | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:18 |
| Qiming | there are some redirection logic in ceilometerclient and ceilometer server | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | I think the patch in ceilometer for alarm spliting is now blocked temporarily? | 13:18 |
| Qiming | guess what, aodh will have its own client, according to gordon | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | ok... | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | when will it be available? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | don't know | 13:19 |
| jruano | man i thought this service was supposed to be transparent | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | but we as REST api users don't care that much about the aodhclient thing | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | jruano, it will be not I guess... | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes | 13:20 |
| Qiming | since ethan is on vacation | 13:20 |
| Qiming | we have to skip the heat resource type support topic | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | actually IMO, letting alarm become an individual service in openstack might be a good idea | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:21 |
| Qiming | we resume the discussion with him when he is back | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | #topic big tent proposal | 13:21 |
| Qiming | since the Mitaka development has started | 13:22 |
| Qiming | I'm thinking maybe it's time for us to propose senlin into the big tent | 13:22 |
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| yanyanhu | agree with this | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | I've been browsing through the previous reviews about getting projects accepted into big tent | 13:23 |
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| haiwei | +1 | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | we need to start drafting something for the TC to review | 13:23 |
| Qiming | and get prepared for questions | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | yes, lots of homework need to be done I think | 13:24 |
| Qiming | first things first, we still need to make the service stable and usable | 13:24 |
| Qiming | or else, it means nothing to wear a new hat | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:24 |
| jruano | agreed | 13:24 |
| Qiming | I do believe we are almost there, so let's have a try | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | I'll start working on this in the coming days, and send out a draft for everyone to review | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | \o/ | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:25 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:26 |
| Qiming | as a first step, we have had senlinclient released | 13:26 |
| Qiming | so that senlin-dashboard doesn't have to pull things from git directly | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | it works well I think | 13:26 |
| Qiming | now we are proposing senlinclient into the global requirements | 13:27 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227158/ | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | the big red cross there is because the requirements is frozen for Liberty release | 13:27 |
| Qiming | not a big deal | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | yep :) | 13:28 |
| Qiming | the global namespace switching is scheduled on Oct 17th, IIRC | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | so, for us, it's time to start planning for Mitaka | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | maybe we should clean those opened patches before that? | 13:30 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | please spend some time review our mitaka work items | 13:31 |
| Qiming | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:31 |
| Qiming | see if something is missing | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:32 |
| Qiming | add comments if you think something is more important than others | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | anything you want to discuss? | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | about joining the summit | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | right | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | so Qiming I think we two have decieded to join | 13:34 |
| Qiming | jruano, are you coming? | 13:34 |
| Qiming | or matt? | 13:34 |
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| jruano | i will be there | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | cool! | 13:34 |
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| haiwei | i should be there, not 100% though | 13:35 |
| Qiming | okay, Sandy told me that he will send 4 or more people there for a meeting | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | you're so close to the meeting site ... | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | we may need to schedule a meetup | 13:35 |
| haiwei | yes : ) | 13:35 |
| jruano | none of my proposals got accepted, so ill be there mostly for learning and participating in design sessions | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | absolutely | 13:35 |
| jruano | yes we should | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | we will share with people our vision, plan | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | and we will be all ears to all kinds of suggestions/comments | 13:37 |
| Qiming | I'll ask around how to book a place there | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | nope from me | 13:38 |
| Qiming | just got one thing, haiwei | 13:38 |
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| haiwei | yes? | 13:39 |
| Qiming | I checked your patch on deletion-policy, for resize operation | 13:39 |
| Qiming | the logic is incorrect, IMO | 13:39 |
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| haiwei | I also saw yanyan's comment | 13:39 |
| Qiming | we don't reference to any specific policy from within an action | 13:39 |
| haiwei | I tried to do it like other actions | 13:39 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, if you have any question about how it works, we can have a discussion about it | 13:40 |
| Qiming | okay, cool, ping us when you got things to discuss | 13:40 |
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| haiwei | in fact i just submit it to get suggestions from you | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | ... | 13:41 |
| haiwei | I will think about it again from yanyan's comment | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:41 |
| Qiming | then you may want to label it a WIP next time, :) | 13:41 |
| Qiming | thanks | 13:41 |
| Qiming | nothing else from my side | 13:41 |
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| haiwei | I just not sure about it :) | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | me neither | 13:42 |
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| haiwei | none from me | 13:42 |
| Qiming | okay, thanks for joining | 13:42 |
| Qiming | till next week, guys | 13:42 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:42 |
| haiwei | se e u | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming I think you need to reset you nickname to end the meeting | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | to Qiming_ | 13:43 |
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| Qiming_ | #endmeeting | 13:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 13:43:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-09-29-13.01.html | 13:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-09-29-13.01.txt | 13:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-09-29-13.01.log.html | 13:43 |
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| Qiming_ | thanks, learned something new, :) | 13:43 |
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| yanyanhu | :) | 13:44 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: drivers meeting here in 7 mins? | 14:53 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: I have a conflict | 14:55 |
| armax | if mestery wants to run it this time round that’d be great, otherwise I must apologize and cancel it | 14:55 |
| kevinbenton | armax: resolve the conflict and then use "git add" to mark it as such. then you can use "git rebase --continue" | 14:55 |
| * mestery is here | 14:55 | |
| armax | I haven’t yet reviewed my calendar t | 14:55 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Good idea | 14:56 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Shall we have a quick meeting? | 14:56 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: sure, i don't know who is around and don't have anything too useful to discuss yet | 14:56 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Aye aye, lets just wing it if armax is ok with us doing this. | 14:56 |
| dougwig | O/ | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: PING | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | preempted me | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 14:57 |
| armax | mestery: please go ahead, I’ll catch up on the meeting notes | 14:57 |
| mestery | #startmeeting neutron-drivers | 14:57 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 14:57:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:57 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:57 |
| armax | thanks for stepping in | 14:57 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers#Agenda Agenda | 14:57 |
| mestery | armax: Anytime :) | 14:57 |
| mestery | #info I'm running this meeting at the behest of our fearless leader armax :) | 14:58 |
| armax | I’ll clear my calendar from next week onward | 14:58 |
| mestery | armax: ACk | 14:58 |
| armax | mestery: ruthless is more appropriate | 14:58 |
| mestery | #topic Spec review | 14:58 |
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| mestery | #undo | 14:58 |
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| mestery | #topic RFE Bug Review | 14:58 |
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| mestery | dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202797/ | 14:58 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202797/ | 14:58 |
| mestery | dougwig: That needs a re-spin. | 14:59 |
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| dougwig | you guys started early! | 14:59 |
| mestery | #link https://goo.gl/xtBJkU Open RFE bugs | 14:59 |
| mestery | dougwig: I know, right? :) | 14:59 |
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| dougwig | computer is still waking up/loading. | 15:00 |
| mestery | dougwig: Ack | 15:00 |
| * mestery waits and hands kevinbenton some coffee | 15:00 | |
| kevinbenton | mestery: major fopaux | 15:00 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: it's 5 pm where i'm at, no coffee needed | 15:00 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: I forget, you're in the land of salv-orlando's! | 15:00 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: give mine to dougwig | 15:00 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: He likes red bull, not coffee. | 15:00 |
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| dougwig | i assume we did the pre-topic of making sure armax still wants a drivers team? :) | 15:01 |
| mestery | dougwig: I did that offline :) | 15:01 |
| salv-orlando | he might be but this does not mean I'm supposed to be working now | 15:01 |
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| mestery | But yeah, I think he's ok with it. | 15:01 |
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| kevinbenton | the drivers team is at risk? quick, make a bunch of rash decisions that cannot be reversed | 15:01 |
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| dougwig | mestery: ack, will respin rfe and infra devrefs | 15:01 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Isn't it happy hour where you are? | 15:01 |
| mestery | dougwig: Coolio! | 15:01 |
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| mestery | OK | 15:02 |
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| mestery | Lets look at the link here: https://goo.gl/xtBJkU | 15:02 |
| mestery | 23 bugs in that list | 15:02 |
| mestery | However | 15:02 |
| mestery | Lets take a pause | 15:02 |
| mestery | I think we need to do a post mortem on this RFE process | 15:02 |
| dougwig | yikes | 15:02 |
| mestery | What do others think? | 15:02 |
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| dougwig | it's fine, if we review regularly. i liked -specs better, just because the tooling is better around queueing my workflow, but... eh. | 15:03 |
| mestery | dougwig: Ack on all of that | 15:03 |
| kevinbenton | i liked the lightweightness of the rfe | 15:03 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: ++ | 15:04 |
| kevinbenton | just having it in launchpad made it easy to forget about | 15:04 |
| mestery | yup | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:04 |
| dougwig | +1 | 15:04 |
| mestery | OK, lets discuss with armax to get his viewpoints later as well. Lets move forward with RFE review! | 15:04 |
| mestery | I'll link them here | 15:04 |
| mestery | And we can discuss one at a time. Sound good? | 15:04 |
| kevinbenton | sgtm | 15:04 |
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| mestery | First up | 15:05 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1475792 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475792 in neutron "Change Neutron so that it can auto-allocate networks" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:05 |
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| mestery | "Get Me a Network" now | 15:05 |
| dougwig | i thought the first was the get me a network api. either auto-select or auto-allocate, if it's unambiguous. | 15:05 |
| mestery | I'm going to mark it triaged so work can begin. | 15:05 |
| mestery | Anyone disagree? | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | agree | 15:06 |
| kevinbenton | i'm +1 for this one, that port scheduler thing i suggested would be a big component of this | 15:06 |
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| kevinbenton | might be worth collapsing it into this | 15:06 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Ack, for now, Triaged, lets collapse at a future date. | 15:06 |
| mestery | Up next | 15:06 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1370033 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1370033 in neutron "Admin should be able to manually select the active instance of a HA router" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 15:07 |
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| dougwig | that's a useful sanity mechanism in a prod environment. | 15:08 |
| mestery | Looks like this one needs API changes | 15:08 |
| mestery | But useful for sure, agree with dougwig | 15:08 |
| kevinbenton | i'm okay with this one. next step is spec filing then? | 15:08 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Yes, since it requires an API change | 15:08 |
| mestery | We'll need a spec. | 15:08 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: only if we need a spec. is it an obvious enough change? | 15:08 |
| mestery | dougwig: API changes require specs, right? | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | A spec with a small API section filled out should do it. The API change won’t be big. | 15:09 |
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| mestery | Done | 15:09 |
| mestery | Next | 15:09 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1475717 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475717 in neutron "RFE: Security Rules should support VRRP protocol" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Li Ma (nick-ma-z) | 15:10 |
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| mestery | Seems simple enough | 15:10 |
| dougwig | mestery: i thought we didn't need specs if it was obvious, like adding a boolean field. rfe + code is pretty explanatory in a case like that. spec is always fine, though. | 15:10 |
| mestery | dougwig: For this one? | 15:11 |
| kevinbenton | i'm confused about the comments on that bug | 15:11 |
| dougwig | mestery: no, i was one back. | 15:11 |
| kevinbenton | it sounds like they found a way to do it without it? | 15:11 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Right, but for API changes, I think we want it so it gets more review? Maybe I'm wrong. | 15:11 |
| dougwig | on the vrrp/sg one, my only question is should we be adding protocols piecemeal, or allow them all? | 15:11 |
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| amotoki | hi | 15:11 |
| dougwig | mestery: just my personal opinion, specs on trivial things are a waste of time, so i'd say no. | 15:11 |
| mestery | dougwig: Comment in bug, fine by me, I agree, KISS | 15:12 |
| mestery | So | 15:12 |
| mestery | For this VRRP one | 15:12 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: It does work, it's just more user friendly to include the canonical VRRP name in the dropdown | 15:12 |
| mestery | To me, I'd be fine approving this one | 15:12 |
| mestery | It's simple and makes things user friendly | 15:12 |
| dougwig | do we want to do just vrrp? what about gre, ipsec, ....? | 15:12 |
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| kevinbenton | would this even be a change on the server side or just to allow the client to accept the simple names? | 15:13 |
| mestery | dougwig: Agreed | 15:13 |
| dougwig | or let 'all' pass more than tcp/udp. | 15:13 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203173/ | 15:13 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: i see. i'm thinking we should probably just populate them all in one fell swoop then | 15:14 |
| amotoki | at now I don't know it affects ip_protocol or protocol number (perhaps ip proto), but I agree we support more values. | 15:14 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Comment in the bug then? | 15:14 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: it's not that much extra work | 15:14 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: sure | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | can I point out that since this is expanding the security feature, we need to consider that some bakcends which are not the ref impl might not support that | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | or need to implement support for that | 15:14 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: ! | 15:14 |
| salv-orlando | and that should be dealt with by the mgmt layer | 15:14 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: We consider other backends? Since when? ;) | 15:15 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: but they would have this issue now | 15:15 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: just by using the proto number instead of name, right? | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: since we have OVN. Before that we did mot give a damm ;) | 15:15 |
| mestery | rofl | 15:15 |
| mestery | It would seem this isn't as cut and dried as we'd like it to be then | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | This work is just assigning names to numbers, right? | 15:15 |
| salv-orlando | the backend would yes. It's a matter of expectations on the user side. I don't care about backends either. | 15:16 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Correct | 15:16 |
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| salv-orlando | If you tell users that VRRP is a valid protocol and then the server returns a nice 500 when you try to specify it, that's not nice | 15:16 |
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| dougwig | i care about them, but i'm not going to let it stop us from expanding the interface. | 15:16 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: do these show up in an API listing somewhere? | 15:16 |
| amotoki | dilemma between consistent supported values and backend support.... | 15:16 |
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| salv-orlando | I think it's ok to approve the RFE anyway | 15:17 |
| amotoki | If users can know supported values via API, it sounds good. | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | the blueprint is about symbolic names at the end of the day no need to start a bikeshedding session | 15:17 |
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| kevinbenton | where do these show up? I thought it was just a translation thing | 15:17 |
| salv-orlando | we can look at how to deal with unsupported protocols separately. It should be trivial anywya. | 15:18 |
| salv-orlando | we can move on I guess. I've already wasted too much of your time. | 15:18 |
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| salv-orlando | My comment was out of place and I regret having made it. | 15:19 |
| mestery | OK | 15:19 |
| mestery | Lets move on | 15:19 |
| mestery | We've got other sheds to paint this morning/evening | 15:19 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Shame on you ;) | 15:19 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1457034 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457034 in neutron "BGPVPN extension" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:19 |
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| salv-orlando | I'm completely dressed in shame. It's the only thing that makes me feel comfortable when I wear it | 15:19 |
| mestery | It looks pretty good on you too ;) | 15:20 |
| dougwig | no, it wasn't. it delves into the question of if plugins should have an interface to report what they support, so the user gets a sane experience. | 15:20 |
| salv-orlando | yeah but it has no bearing on the RFE being discussed | 15:20 |
| mestery | That issue has come up before | 15:20 |
| dougwig | disagree, but we seem to be arguing the others position. :) | 15:20 |
| vikram__ | carl_baldwin: can you please confirm if doesn't collide with the ongoing BGP work | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram__: We’ve discussed this quite a bit. I don’t think it collides. | 15:21 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: i think the point is that backends will have unsupported protocols with or without nice names for them | 15:21 |
| vikram__ | carl_baldwin: ok.. So we don't want to extend the existing BGP work for advertising VPN routes? | 15:21 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: is this bringing in the external project? | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I did think they were going to do this work externally. | 15:22 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: I think this bug may be outdated because they HAVE the external project already | 15:22 |
| mestery | I think we can mark it invalid | 15:22 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: right | 15:22 |
| mestery | And let them tell us otherwise | 15:22 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: too the bit bucket! | 15:22 |
| kevinbenton | to* | 15:22 |
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| mestery | next up | 15:22 |
| vikram__ | carl_baldwin, mestery: thanks.. i felt it's for neutron | 15:22 |
| mestery | :) | 15:23 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464361 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464361 in neutron "Support for multiple gateways in Neutron subnets" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 15:23 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Your eyes here would be good :) | 15:23 |
| kevinbenton | this gives me the heebie jeebies | 15:23 |
| kevinbenton | it feels like implementation details are being leaked | 15:24 |
| kevinbenton | and it's going to be a ton of work | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: +1 | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | Part of me wants to say let’s focus on routed networks. | 15:24 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Well, indeed | 15:24 |
| kevinbenton | i think we need a lot more demand from users before pushing this one further | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | I think this can also be solved with better infrastructure. | 15:25 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Please mark it as "Won't Fix" with that info | 15:25 |
| mestery | I think we can agree on that one it appears | 15:25 |
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| kevinbenton | right, let's revisit after we get routed networks all modeled up | 15:25 |
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| mestery | ++ | 15:25 |
| dougwig | err. | 15:25 |
| amotoki | agree | 15:26 |
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| dougwig | i think it fits pretty well with provider networks, which we're pushing hard, but it can wait, i suppose. | 15:26 |
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| haleyb | and with DVR a second gateway doesn't get you much, without it it might help, or with provider as doug said | 15:27 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Once it starts talking about load balancing between back planes, that seems like implementation detail leakage to me | 15:27 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: how so? i don't see this in datacenter network designs much | 15:27 |
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| dougwig | if you use dhcp to pass a gateway that's closer to the vm, you can spread the gateway load out pretty simply (e.g. leaf and spine.) | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: just to get same broadcast domain but then have completely different paths out of the network? | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: yeah, that is le suck | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 15:28 |
| dougwig | i'm not saying it's how i'd set it up, but if i ended up with a huge ass copper subnet for some reason, i could see using it. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I’d like to see more demand for this still. | 15:29 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: right. i would rather we build on the primitive of same IP is implemented in multiple locations like DVR | 15:29 |
| dougwig | (as he types this into a browser that's attached to an asymmetric routed subnet, for reasons i don't even want to begin to get into.) | 15:29 |
| mestery | lol | 15:29 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: this isnt' about what makes sense to a greenfield. this is about how to work with existing network infrastructures, in my mind. | 15:29 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: right, but how would you even know which gateway IP to pick until the VM is scheduled (which is not port creation time) | 15:30 |
| kevinbenton | (at least not all of the time) | 15:30 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: i'd run my own dhcp server on the provider net. | 15:30 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: well if you're going to do that, what do you need this feature for? | 15:31 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: because i have a giant copper subnet with multiple gateways that i like? | 15:31 |
| dougwig | *loop detected* | 15:31 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: no, i mean what good does having the gateway IPs appear in the API do? | 15:32 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: if you have an external DHCP system that understands how the assignment of IP to gateway will work | 15:32 |
| dougwig | oh, true, true. | 15:32 |
| dougwig | so this must want neutron to manage that. | 15:32 |
| kevinbenton | right | 15:33 |
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| dougwig | which would need some kind of scheduler affinity that can inform dhcp. hmm. | 15:33 |
| kevinbenton | in which case something needs to understand topology | 15:33 |
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| kevinbenton | an ML2 driver could conceivably do this | 15:33 |
| mestery | Topology, it's always topology at the end of the day | 15:33 |
| mestery | There is a topology project proposed out there, or there was. | 15:33 |
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| kevinbenton | but yeah, for now lets leave as won't fix until some more requirements come in | 15:33 |
| mestery | ++ | 15:33 |
| dougwig | i think going the route of understanding topology is much harder than saying, 'yo, go write a scheduler class.' | 15:34 |
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| dougwig | i'm fine with won't fix for now, that's a can of worms that needs more demand, as carl_baldwin said. | 15:34 |
| kevinbenton | some topology knowledge is going to be required for some of the routed networks stuff... | 15:34 |
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| kevinbenton | mapping of networks to hosts | 15:34 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the next shed | 15:34 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464465 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464465 in neutron "binding_type improvements to simplify Nova interactions" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:34 |
| mestery | An "oldie but a goodie" for sure | 15:34 |
| mestery | And I'm not even sure how valid this is anymore given Jay's move to get the VIF code out of nova into a library | 15:35 |
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| mestery | Also, Ian's nova spec wasn't approved | 15:35 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: having to understand topology is going to be a never-ending pile of suck, as we attempt to grok *every* twisted topology in existence over time. still seems like a scheduling concept to me, of which topology is just one case. | 15:35 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: yeah, it's a scheduling restriction thing | 15:36 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: this seems reasonable pending the nova changes | 15:36 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: it would be nice to just tell nova which bridges it needs to plug into for example rather than hoping the configs are right on both sides | 15:37 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: ++ | 15:37 |
| amotoki | kevinbenton: ++ | 15:38 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Comment as such and we'll move on | 15:38 |
| mestery | Up next | 15:38 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1464793 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1464793 in neutron "Add a driver for isc-dhcpd" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 15:38 |
| mestery | isc-dhcpd driver | 15:39 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Are we ready for this yet? :) | 15:39 |
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| * carl_baldwin reading... | 15:39 | |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t know if we’re ready yet. | 15:40 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Can you comment as such in the bug and we'll move on? | 15:40 |
| jaypipes | mestery: the os_vif stuff is being revived this week. I have folks in my teams that will be working on it in Mitaka. | 15:40 |
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| mestery | jaypipes: ++, awesome and thanks! | 15:40 |
| kevinbenton | i'm not particularly interested in maintaining another dhcp driver in tree | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: I’ll take it. | 15:41 |
| kevinbenton | because it will be untested | 15:41 |
| kevinbenton | in the gate | 15:41 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Well, it could be in it's own repo then | 15:41 |
| mestery | Once we make DHCP pluggable | 15:41 |
| mestery | So I agree | 15:41 |
| mestery | Next up | 15:41 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1467471 | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1467471 in neutron "RFE - Support Distributed SNAT with DVR" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Takanori Miyagishi (miyagishi-t) | 15:41 |
| kevinbenton | right, isn't it pluggable already? | 15:41 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: so which one is the one we should support? | 15:42 |
| mestery | dougwig: I'd be hard pressed to move to isc-dhcpd anywhere before Nxxx | 15:42 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: probably the one we already are until we see that the isc-dhcpd driver is that much better | 15:42 |
| dougwig | mestery: that wasn't the question that i asked. | 15:42 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Then my answer is dnsmasq | 15:43 |
| mestery | I think we'd have to reevaluate once isc-dhcpd exists | 15:43 |
| mestery | It's kind of like saying we're going to back OVN at this point over the reference implementation. | 15:43 |
| mestery | Too early | 15:43 |
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| dougwig | fair enough. | 15:43 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: it | 15:43 |
| salv-orl_ | is a bit different actually | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | On the DVR SNAT thing. They don’t propose how they plan to distribute SNAT. | 15:44 |
| salv-orl_ | isc-dhcpd is part of the data plane which is still manipulated by the reference control plane | 15:44 |
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| salv-orl_ | but still this too is not relevant to the discussion | 15:44 |
| kevinbenton | while we're visiting the replacement of DHCP, what about a thing taylored to our use case? we don't use a lease database at all... | 15:45 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton has a good point that he does not feel his team has the ability to take the mainteinance burden for this driver | 15:45 |
| dougwig | 15 minute warning | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | If no one objects, I’m going to put a comment on the DVR one to elaborate on it and mark it incomplete. | 15:45 |
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| amotoki | re DVR SNAT thing, I would suggest the author to propose more detail for dsicussion to move it forward. | 15:45 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: why don't we get rid of DHCP altogether ;) | 15:45 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: ++ | 15:45 |
| kevinbenton | a script written in OHascala | 15:45 |
| mestery | config drive #ftw? | 15:45 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: ++ getting southbound traffic to the different nodes requires some coordination with the upstream router | 15:46 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: SLAAC and v6 only. | 15:46 |
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| dougwig | mestery: eww, config drive requires per guest support. dhcp is everywhere. | 15:46 |
| mestery | nice :) | 15:46 |
| mestery | dougwig: I was joking :) | 15:46 |
| dougwig | mestery: it wasn't funny. :) | 15:47 |
| mestery | :) | 15:47 |
| kevinbenton | *shots fired* | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Right. Or buring more IPs. Or sharing IPs between tenants. Each of the proposed solutions have some group that objects to it. | 15:47 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: yeah, shake down the submitter for more info | 15:48 |
| mestery | Moving right along (12 minutes left) | 15:48 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468236 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468236 in neutron "enable neutron support distributed DHCP agents" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:48 |
| mestery | Huzzah! | 15:48 |
| mestery | We're on a hot streak of DHCP here | 15:48 |
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| russellb | in OVN, plan is to drop DHCP server requirement by adding basic DHCP responder with flows, which will be distributed of course :) | 15:48 |
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| russellb | i'm really good about talking about all the awesome stuff we don't have yet | 15:49 |
| mestery | :) | 15:49 |
| mestery | lol | 15:49 |
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| mestery | This one has a spec even: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205429/ | 15:49 |
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| kevinbenton | russellb: yeah, i wish we could do that in our l2 agent, but stupid rootwrap ... :'( | 15:50 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: why can't you do it? just ovs-ofctl too slow? | 15:50 |
| russellb | didn't the native openflow driver go in? | 15:50 |
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| mestery | russellb: It did, but regXboi found perf issues with it | 15:50 |
| mestery | I think you and he discussed yesterday | 15:51 |
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| russellb | mestery: that was about the native ovsdb driver | 15:51 |
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| russellb | ovs-vsctl vs ovs-ofctl | 15:51 |
| russellb | heh | 15:51 |
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| mestery | heh :) | 15:51 |
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| mestery | Anyways, since this one has a spec, I guess w'ell continue reviewing on that | 15:51 |
| mestery | And lets move on here | 15:51 |
| kevinbenton | russellb: no, not openflow based. have the l2 agent just attach to the network with a tap interface and respond with dhcp packets | 15:51 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: right, i need to read this spec more | 15:51 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: oh ok | 15:51 |
| dougwig | 8 minute warning. | 15:52 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468366 | 15:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468366 in neutron "RFE - Logging API for security group and firewall rules" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 15:52 |
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| kevinbenton | russellb: want something that works for linuxbridge as well | 15:52 |
| mestery | This one was pretty contentious during Liberty | 15:52 |
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| kevinbenton | defer to next week :) | 15:53 |
| mestery | Yes | 15:53 |
| mestery | Speaking of defering ... | 15:53 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468803 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468803 in neutron "Modular L2 Agent" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:53 |
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| russellb | contentions because of the API? or the concept? | 15:53 |
| russellb | or both? | 15:53 |
| kevinbenton | let's do it! | 15:53 |
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| kevinbenton | russellb: API i think | 15:54 |
| mestery | russellb: Both I think | 15:54 |
| kevinbenton | russellb: then there were also grumblings about the log destinations IIRC | 15:54 |
| mestery | I mean, the concept could mean a lot of things and people kept exploding it a bit. But I won't paint that shed today :) | 15:54 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Right | 15:54 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: ah, yes | 15:54 |
| russellb | re: modular L2 agent ... sounds great to me in theory :) | 15:55 |
| dougwig | we should go full modular and just make the "modular agent agent" | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | there are two things here | 15:56 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Seems like you and amotoki agreed, shall we move this to Triaged to let it move forward? | 15:56 |
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| mestery | dougwig: MOAR MODULAR! | 15:56 |
| salv-orl_ | dougwig: that's being metadoular | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | one is elimating duplication between linux bridge and OVS | 15:56 |
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| salv-orl_ | metamodular | 15:56 |
| russellb | moduler layers modular agent | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | which i'm all for | 15:56 |
| armax | kevinbenton: modular l2 agent is -=2 | 15:56 |
| armax | -2 | 15:56 |
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| armax | at least the way we have ml2 plugin | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | but i don't want a huge multiple drivers framework | 15:56 |
| salv-orl_ | you cannot but love a PTL whose only words are "-2" | 15:56 |
| armax | moduler yes | 15:56 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: +1 | 15:56 |
| mestery | welcome to the last 4 minutes of the meeting Mr. PTL :) | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | armax: right, that's what i was getting at before you interrupted | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 15:57 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: very nice practical way to put it | 15:57 |
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| armax | modular l2 the way we know it, not so much | 15:57 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: ++ on no multiple drivers | 15:57 |
| mestery | icky | 15:57 |
| amotoki | the concept is good, but the concept of agent extnesion is introeduced in the qos work. the approach needs to be revisted. | 15:57 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I wasn’t interrupting…I was only providing my scarred perspective | 15:57 |
| armax | :) | 15:57 |
| kevinbenton | but the LB agent and OVS agent are stupid close | 15:57 |
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| russellb | kevinbenton: sounds like refactoring those 2 would be a good focused baby step | 15:58 |
| kevinbenton | russellb: yes | 15:58 |
| russellb | and it very well may lead to a nice place to plug in some other widget ... | 15:58 |
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| kevinbenton | AbstractAgentFactoryInterfaceBuilder! | 15:58 |
| russellb | lol | 15:58 |
| jaypipes | kevinbenton: that's called Zope. | 15:59 |
| russellb | can it support loading Java plugins please | 15:59 |
| jaypipes | heh | 15:59 |
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| mestery | OK | 15:59 |
| kevinbenton | any more? | 15:59 |
| mestery | I think we're done. | 15:59 |
| mestery | Untiul next week! | 15:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: Nope, times' up | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 15:59:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-09-29-14.57.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-09-29-14.57.txt | 16:00 |
| mestery | But yes, there were more | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-09-29-14.57.log.html | 16:00 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: ack, next week! | 16:00 |
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| kevinbenton | if armax doesn't disband us in a violent political purge of the cruft that built up during your regime :) | 16:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 16:01 |
| kevinbenton | \o | 16:01 |
| dougwig | flush it away | 16:01 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: why do people keep associating me to Stalin? | 16:01 |
| * armax wonders | 16:01 | |
| kevinbenton | armax: you are the only person that said stalin | 16:01 |
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| armax | sigh :) | 16:02 |
| skyler | Howdy | 16:02 |
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| salv-orl_ | armax: indeed nobody said Stalin. | 16:04 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: do you want to be armax's Trotsky? | 16:04 |
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| armax | salv-orl_, kevinbenton: ok so I am overreacting, good :) | 16:05 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: didn't we have a discussion about my history education? :) | 16:05 |
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| salv-orl_ | armax: yes, perhaps. Are you still keen on renaming the mid-cycle "neutron developmer re-education camp"? | 16:07 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: but that's recenty history! and American! | 16:07 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: no, if it involved another country, that's "diluted history", which isn't covered :) | 16:10 |
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| armax | salv-orl_: was that a proposal? | 16:16 |
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| asselin | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 17:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
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| asselin | Hi who's here for 3rd party ops working meeting? | 17:00 |
| sweston | \o | 17:00 |
| asselin | hey sweston! | 17:01 |
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| asselin | patrickeast, skylerberg mmedvede krtaylor rfolco | 17:01 |
| skylerberg | \o | 17:01 |
| sweston | hi asselin ! just got back from vacation, so haven't been able to answer your ping yet. | 17:01 |
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| patrickeast | hey | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 17:01 |
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| asselin | #link agenda for today is: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_Working_Group_meeting | 17:02 |
| asselin | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| asselin | #link Nodepool image-upload issue: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075368.html | 17:02 |
| asselin | in case you missed the mailing list post, there's a known issue with nodepool uploading images | 17:02 |
| asselin | anyone else have announcements to make? | 17:03 |
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| asselin | #topic Comparison of CI Dashboards | 17:03 |
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| rfolco | o/ (late) | 17:03 |
| asselin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-dashboard-comp | 17:04 |
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| asselin | so last time we only had a few people, but hopefully today we can go into more detail | 17:04 |
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| asselin | sweston, radar's I suppose is not up yet? | 17:06 |
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| sweston | asselin: it is up, and should be showing the list of CI systems | 17:06 |
| asselin | link? | 17:06 |
| sweston | asselin: been trying to get to the gerrit queries, but have been buried. | 17:06 |
| sweston | https://dashboard.triniplex.com | 17:07 |
| asselin | sweston, works for me w/o the https, just htp | 17:07 |
| asselin | http* | 17:07 |
| asselin | last time we met, there was general concensus to use the ci-watch solution | 17:08 |
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| sweston | right, no https | 17:08 |
| asselin | anyone have a different opinion? | 17:09 |
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| rfolco | +1 on starting with ci-watch and implementing other features gradually | 17:09 |
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| krtaylor | no strong opinion here, except that if we are decided, to get infra to approve it | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | they feel like we can't make a decision | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | when it has been so close to merging many times | 17:11 |
| mmedvede | krtaylor: it is on today's agenda | 17:11 |
| mmedvede | for infra meeting | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | not holding my breath | 17:11 |
| asselin | yes, on today's agenda | 17:11 |
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| patrickeast | heh yea, i'm game for any of the options but we do need to move forward with the infra stuff | 17:12 |
| asselin | but we couldn't make a solid decision b/c we lacked many stakeholders | 17:12 |
| patrickeast | once we have the repo's, servers, puppet, etc we can do whatever we want with it | 17:12 |
| asselin | in particular, no dashboard developers were present | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | decision has been made before :) | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | if this is the decision let's stick with it | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | next dashboard that pops up, we have to stand on this one and get it merged | 17:13 |
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| asselin | #agreed we use ci-watch | 17:14 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:14 |
| skylerberg | +1 | 17:14 |
| rfolco | +1 | 17:14 |
| ja2 | +1 | 17:14 |
| sweston | +1 | 17:15 |
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| asselin | #topic ci-watch features (<skylerberg>) | 17:15 |
| patrickeast | so, now that we've got our starting point picked | 17:15 |
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| patrickeast | do we have a plan as far as future requirements on it? | 17:16 |
| rfolco | perhaps create bugs for each feature missing in ci-watch that other solutions have? | 17:16 |
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| skylerberg | The first thing we should do is make a project for CI Watch | 17:16 |
| skylerberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216840/ | 17:16 |
| patrickeast | or maybe rephrased, do we will plan to 'finish' the other dashboard spec? | 17:16 |
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| mmedvede | I myself would like to concentrate on features invisible on ui first, i.e. make the ciwatch adhere to some openstack service common-sense standards | 17:16 |
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| asselin | patrickeast, the spec will go today to infra meeting to vote as-is. | 17:17 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: Agreed | 17:17 |
| rfolco | mmedvede, +1 on backend first | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, well said | 17:17 |
| asselin | mmedvede, +1 | 17:17 |
| mmedvede | the current spec is about hosting ciwatch, it brushes over requirements, but does not define them exactly | 17:17 |
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| asselin | ok, so let's get it into its own project and iterate it from there | 17:18 |
| mmedvede | # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216840/ | 17:18 |
| asselin | #link review ci-watch project spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216840/ | 17:18 |
| mmedvede | this needs updating? ^ | 17:18 |
| asselin | skylerberg, please take it out of WIP | 17:18 |
| skylerberg | rfolco: Once we merge the project-config patch we can start loading up a ci-watch bug tracker with everything we would like. | 17:18 |
| asselin | skylerberg, good point. Should we use launchpad or storybaord? | 17:19 |
| skylerberg | asselin: done | 17:19 |
| asselin | most of openstack is on launchpad, most of infra is on storyboard | 17:19 |
| skylerberg | I was anticipating using launchpad and have not actually seen storyboard. I have not strong opinion, not having used both. | 17:20 |
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| skylerberg | Does anyone have reasons to pick one over the other or have a strong opinion either way? | 17:20 |
| rfolco | No strong opinion, would go for launchpad unless infra has objections | 17:21 |
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| skylerberg | rfolco: That sounds sensible. | 17:21 |
| asselin | Using storyboard sets up automatically, but not a full-featured as launchpad. | 17:21 |
| ja2 | if we think new bodies would come from other openstack projects mostly (vs mostly from infra), we should favor what most coming in will already know. | 17:21 |
| asselin | launchpad requires some manual setup, but it's documented | 17:22 |
| skylerberg | asselin: it was a while ago, but I may have actually completed that setup before submitting the review. | 17:22 |
| skylerberg | I was following the project creation guide, so I think it is all set up at this point. | 17:23 |
| mmedvede | no strong opinion. Other than storyboard is going away | 17:23 |
| asselin | skylerberg, ok then we'll use that | 17:23 |
| asselin | skylerberg, do you have the link? | 17:23 |
| skylerberg | #link https://launchpad.net/~ciwatch-drivers | 17:23 |
| skylerberg | #link https://launchpad.net/~ciwatch-bugs | 17:23 |
| asselin | #link https://launchpad.net/ciwatch | 17:24 |
| asselin | #agreed use launchpad for ciwatch | 17:24 |
| asselin | anything else on this topic? | 17:24 |
| mmedvede | skylerberg: might be good idea to update topic for 216840 to ci-dashboard, so we can track all ci-dashboard things easier with | 17:24 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ci-dashboard,n,z | 17:25 |
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| mmedvede | skylerberg: so you think we would not have to rename ciwatch? | 17:25 |
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| mmedvede | my only concern at that point | 17:25 |
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| skylerberg | mmedvede: I do not think we will need to change it. | 17:26 |
| skylerberg | mmedvede: topic has now been changed. | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | mmedvede, why would we need to change it? | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, what is your concern? | 17:27 |
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| mmedvede | because of this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192253/, but it has not been updated in a while | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | oops we lost asselin | 17:27 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: you here? | 17:28 |
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| asselin | sorry....lost network for a bit.... | 17:28 |
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| skylerberg | I will see if I can get ahold of sdague, but since it hasn't been updated in a while and the latest comments were asking for sdague to change the name, I don't think we will have a problem. | 17:28 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, as I commented in that patch, it has nothing to do with CI, it is for periodic testing | 17:29 |
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| asselin | I think we should stick to the name. If infra approves the spec, then we keep it. | 17:29 |
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| mmedvede | agreed | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | but the url is what is in question, or is that the name you are referring to, the project can be named anything | 17:29 |
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| asselin | krtaylor, which url are you referring to? | 17:30 |
| mmedvede | krtaylor: the ciwatch project itself was my concern | 17:31 |
| asselin | I think the name is going to be openstack-infra/ciwatch | 17:31 |
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| krtaylor | perfect | 17:31 |
| mmedvede | the service is proposed to be hosted as ci-dashboard.o.o | 17:31 |
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| asselin | actually patch has openstack/ciwatch | 17:31 |
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| krtaylor | works for me | 17:31 |
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| asselin | #action review the patch to create ci-watch project https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216840/1 | 17:33 |
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| asselin | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:33 |
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| asselin | I made a lot of progess with the common-ci work | 17:33 |
| asselin | #link Documentation / Instructions: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/ | 17:34 |
| asselin | #link Single-node ci puppet class: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/ | 17:34 |
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| asselin | #link project-config-example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228540/ | 17:34 |
| asselin | The last link is to create a project-config example project | 17:35 |
| asselin | it wasn't part of the original common-ci spec, but I think it's useful to setup a working test system that runs all the tempest tests | 17:36 |
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| asselin | and a good starting point to add your own configurations | 17:36 |
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| ja2 | +1 on example being useful | 17:37 |
| mmedvede | asselin: +1, but I have already reviewed :) | 17:37 |
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| asselin | any comments or questions? | 17:38 |
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| asselin | #topic Open Discussion | 17:38 |
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| asselin | any other topics? | 17:39 |
| asselin | anyone new that would like to introduce themselves? | 17:39 |
| ja2 | I had a question worth running past this group, although I'm guessing I'll need to go to nova with it in the end. | 17:40 |
| asselin | ja2, go ahead | 17:40 |
| ja2 | We're getting our CI system for z/VM actually running, slowly but surely. tempest full runs a bunch of stuff we don't need, so we're config'ing our way through that. | 17:41 |
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| ja2 | nova's hypervisor support matrix lists tens of functions - is there a named tempest subset for each? | 17:42 |
| ja2 | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html | 17:42 |
| ja2 | there's nothing like a tempest subset name on the details for each row in that table (further down, same page) | 17:43 |
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| rfolco | having tempest tests mapped to each row would be most excellent | 17:44 |
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| ja2 | "would be" sounds like an implicit "...but there is no such mapping today" | 17:44 |
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| rfolco | the problem is that its too complex, scenario tests for example... they require multiple features in the same test | 17:45 |
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| ja2 | let's say I'm skeptical of the "too complex" assertion, but if there's not existant mapping then that's what I need to proceed anyway. | 17:46 |
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| asselin | I know that tempest has ways of tagging certain tests | 17:46 |
| ja2 | (if one cannot reliably map those functions to tests, effectively it's impossible to audit the assertions in the matrix) | 17:47 |
| asselin | or only running those when a config is enabled | 17:47 |
| rfolco | ja2, I am also interested in that mapping | 17:47 |
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| ja2 | there are some coarser-grained nova.conf "feature" booleans that _probably_ are the 80-20 easy part of the solution | 17:48 |
| asselin | ja2 +1 | 17:48 |
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| asselin | ja2 might be worth discussing with the qa team as well | 17:48 |
| ja2 | "the qa team" meaning the -qa channel? | 17:49 |
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| asselin | ja2, yes | 17:49 |
| ja2 | ok thx | 17:49 |
| asselin | mtreinish is the ptl | 17:49 |
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| asselin | what do you all think about removing the old agendas from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 17:50 |
| ja2 | "removing" meaning deletion, or archival somewhere? | 17:51 |
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| asselin | either way...wiki has the history but may be cumbersome to use | 17:51 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: the old agendas do not really bother me. What do other meeting's wikis do? | 17:53 |
| asselin | infra only has the latest agenda | 17:53 |
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| asselin | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 17:53 |
| mmedvede | asselin: works for me then | 17:54 |
| ja2 | deletion implies most users will have no way they know of to find it, regardless of effort (I'm assuing that sites like Internet Time Machine will have them anyway), so the stakes are higher than if they're archived with a pointer to the archives. | 17:54 |
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| mmedvede | ja2: the meetings logs remain | 17:55 |
| ja2 | mmedvede | 17:55 |
| ja2 | mmedvede, true enough. so yes, fine to nuke agendas. | 17:56 |
| asselin | ok I'll see if there's an easy way to archive them first. | 17:57 |
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| asselin | if there's nothign else I'll end the meeting | 17:58 |
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| SotK | Hi folks, I was wondering which channel would be useful for a StoryBoard developer to chat to the project team? | 17:58 |
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| asselin | SotK, #openstack-infra | 17:58 |
| SotK | asselin: thanks :) | 17:58 |
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| asselin | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 17:59:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-29-17.00.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-29-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-29-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rharwood, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | stevemar: o/ | 17:59 |
| marekd | \o/ | 17:59 |
| raildo | \o/ | 17:59 |
| gyee | \o | 17:59 |
| stevemar | hola amigos | 18:00 |
| jamielennox | here | 18:00 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | do we change the name to stevestone now? | 18:00 |
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| browne | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | was expecting more o/'s | 18:01 |
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| edmondsw | o/ | 18:01 |
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| roxanaghe_ | \o | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | good enough, folks can join when they get here | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 18:02:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| gyee | traffice is bad today | 18:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| stevemar | gyee: for sure | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:02 |
| stevemar | agenda has been updated | 18:02 |
| stevemar | i tossed a few items up | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | morgan: around? | 18:02 |
| marekd | stevemar: me too (3 mins ago) | 18:03 |
| stevemar | yup, i see that | 18:03 |
| gyee | hail to stevemar! | 18:03 |
| * dstanek is here. better late than never | 18:03 | |
| gyee | first agenda | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #topic ptl change | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | well this is awkward :P | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | there's a new sheriff in town | 18:03 |
| dstanek | stevemar: congrats! | 18:03 |
| marekd | ++ | 18:03 |
| stevemar | morgan did an awesome job, let's all thank him first | 18:03 |
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| amakarov | +1 | 18:03 |
| morgan | O/ and btw it said not me | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | thanks to everyone who ran. it was a tough choice | 18:04 |
| stevemar | bknudson: ++ | 18:04 |
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| gyee | stevemar, you prefer cash or check? | 18:04 |
| dstanek | gyee: reviews | 18:04 |
| stevemar | gyee: jewels | 18:04 |
| stevemar | reviews too | 18:04 |
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| gyee | yes | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | beer? | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | hope i don't disappoint :) but i feel like i have the world's largest safety net with such an awesome team | 18:05 |
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| * morgan welcomes the new stevemar keystone overlord :P | 18:05 | |
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| marekd | stevemar: you won't, just keep rockin' :-) | 18:05 |
| dstanek | you'll do great, just like our previous leaders | 18:05 |
| shaleh | stevemar: we can always stage a coup if we have to :-) | 18:05 |
| tsymanczyk | \o | 18:05 |
| stevemar | shaleh: i like your style | 18:06 |
| * morgan pours a drink and sits back. | 18:06 | |
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| stevemar | not much else to say here, let's go on to a few lighter topics before we get into the weeds | 18:06 |
| bknudson | start our own keystone project | 18:06 |
| stevemar | #topic meeting time | 18:06 |
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| amakarov | shaleh, for the complete democracy we need an opposition! )) | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | we've had this time for a while, and it works, but i feel like we need to bring it up every release, just in case | 18:07 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: amakarov marekd, looking at you guys | 18:07 |
| gyee | no issue with meeting time here | 18:07 |
| bknudson | if this time didn't work for someone they're probably not here. | 18:07 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:07 |
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| jamielennox | it really can't go any earlier for me | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | as is i'm about 50/50 | 18:07 |
| amakarov | I'm fine with current meeting time | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | but i'm ok with the current | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | i'm good with the current time | 18:08 |
| morgan | stevemar: we need to make the meeting at least 7hours later /s | 18:08 |
| stevemar | morgan: just to really get jamielennox | 18:08 |
| marekd | morgan: deep night for me :( | 18:08 |
| amakarov | it will be 4am for me and breton | 18:08 |
| morgan | Note the "/s" ;) | 18:08 |
| stevemar | marekd: you're good with current? | 18:08 |
| marekd | stevemar: yeah | 18:08 |
| stevemar | alright | 18:09 |
| stevemar | as usual, no need to alternate meetings or have a second time, thats nice to hear | 18:09 |
| marekd | stevemar: i said a meeting 7hrs later would be a deep night for me | 18:09 |
| raildo | this time is great for us here in Brazil :) | 18:09 |
| stevemar | and saves me from creating a ML post | 18:09 |
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| stevemar | neeeext topic | 18:09 |
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| marekd | given geodistribution of team members i think that's the only reasonable team | 18:09 |
| stevemar | #topic liberty-rc2 do we need one? | 18:10 |
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| morgan | Yes | 18:10 |
| bknudson | I assume one is needed for translations | 18:10 |
| morgan | For translations | 18:10 |
| stevemar | alright, for translations | 18:10 |
| bknudson | how do we know when translation work is complete? | 18:10 |
| morgan | stevemar: you just talked to dhellmann an hour ago about this... | 18:11 |
| morgan | :P | 18:11 |
| stevemar | morgan: well yes, i wanted to use this time to see if there's anything else | 18:11 |
| stevemar | i think this one is handy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215870/ | 18:11 |
| stevemar | if an admin creates endpoints using v3, then v2's endpoint-list doesn't bring them up, that's my understanding anyway | 18:12 |
| marekd | stevemar: when would be liberty-rc2 cut? | 18:12 |
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| morgan | marekd: next week iirc | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | marekd: soon, we still have a bit of time, maybe a week | 18:13 |
| marekd | morgan: ok. | 18:13 |
| bknudson | we can backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215870/ if it doesn't make the rc | 18:13 |
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| dstanek | i was pretty close last time i looked | 18:14 |
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| marekd | i would also take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206561/ | 18:14 |
| dstanek | i just wanted to verify the json coming back still looks correct and then i'd be happy with it | 18:14 |
| stevemar | dstanek: agreed, i pulled it down and tried it out, i'd be happy to vouch for it | 18:14 |
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| dstanek | i can do that today and throw up a new vote | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: cool | 18:14 |
| marekd | nevertheless we will need to backport it to kilo. | 18:14 |
| gyee | so we need to map 1 endpoint ID to multiple? | 18:14 |
| gyee | sorry I mean multiple to 1 | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | i'd agree with having the feature, code seems strange to me - but i don't think the brain has really kicked in yet | 18:15 |
| stevemar | marekd: hold up a sec, we can get into the other one in a minute | 18:15 |
| dstanek | gyee: yes | 18:15 |
| morgan | jamielennox: drink moar coffee | 18:15 |
| gyee | would that be problematic as we need to maintain multiple IDs? | 18:16 |
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| marekd | stevemar: yes sir! | 18:16 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: it's mostly strange because of how we changed v2 and v3 endpoints | 18:16 |
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| dstanek | gyee: we don't in v2 | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | morgan: so umm, how's this work, hypothetically if 215870 is merged, and we want it in rc2, we need to merge it to master - then cherry-pick it to liberty? and cut rc2 from stable/liberty? | 18:16 |
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| jamielennox | yea, just looking as to why we build a v3_endpoints dict and iter that again, but ok | 18:16 |
| morgan | Yep | 18:16 |
| stevemar | morgan: i am learnding | 18:16 |
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| morgan | Back port to stable/Liberty which is where rc2 will be tagged from | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | \o/ | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | we used to have a -proposed branch | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | i like this way more, it's easier | 18:17 |
| edmondsw | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217373/ should be backported to liberty and kilo | 18:17 |
| stevemar | edmondsw: that's would be re-releasing a minor version of keystonemiddleware | 18:18 |
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| edmondsw | yes | 18:18 |
| stevemar | oh it's approved, doh | 18:18 |
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| gyee | dstanek, ahh, its using the public endpoint ID as the legacy endpoint ID? | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | but what about the backport? that will require a new release of something, right? | 18:19 |
| bknudson | I don't think we can do a minor version change in stable/liberty, it'll be the patch #. | 18:19 |
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| stevemar | morgan: for edmondsw's question, does the same logic still hold for keystonemiddleware? or do we just tag a new release from master? | 18:19 |
| bknudson | http://semver.org/ | 18:19 |
| morgan | We can only do patch level .Z changes | 18:19 |
| morgan | For stable branches | 18:19 |
| dstanek | do we do release of kilo for kmw? or is it just a normal new release from master? | 18:20 |
| stevemar | dstanek: they have stable branches | 18:20 |
| morgan | Middleware has stable branches | 18:20 |
| morgan | If this is a real bug fix, it is a .z patch level | 18:20 |
| morgan | If it is a .y patch level it isn't a bug fix | 18:20 |
| bknudson | the change should be released in master before it's released in stable releases. | 18:21 |
| stevemar | the only hitch is updating the requirements in the stable branch too right? | 18:21 |
| morgan | It is a feature/behavior change | 18:21 |
| edmondsw | it's a real bug fix | 18:21 |
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| morgan | stevemar: adding new requirements to stable is a no-go in most cases | 18:21 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, yeah...that is a bug fix | 18:21 |
| morgan | So work around requirements changes. | 18:21 |
| morgan | If you do a .z release requirements won't change | 18:22 |
| morgan | In stable | 18:22 |
| stevemar | #todo stevemar to bug dhellmann about ksm refresh and pulling in edmondsw's change | 18:22 |
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| morgan | Upper bounds will (perhaps) | 18:22 |
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| stevemar | i'll dig into this | 18:22 |
| morgan | It will be a back port for that change. Simple | 18:23 |
| stevemar | morgan: is there an rc2 in lp? | 18:23 |
| morgan | stevemar: for keystone or middleware? Middleware doesn't do rc | 18:23 |
| morgan | My | 18:23 |
| stevemar | keystone proper | 18:23 |
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| morgan | For keystone that is pending rel management to add the milestone | 18:23 |
| morgan | Talk to dhellmann and/or ttx | 18:24 |
| stevemar | morgan: so then hows it work for targeting bugs? | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | how's rc2 work? We release right away, or on some schedule? | 18:24 |
| bknudson | is there an rc2-potential for bugs? | 18:24 |
| stevemar | ayoung: right away | 18:24 |
| morgan | Mark the bug as rc-potential and get the milestone added | 18:24 |
| morgan | Target the bug | 18:24 |
| stevemar | bknudson: that would be a good idea | 18:24 |
| morgan | Merge the fix | 18:24 |
| stevemar | cool | 18:24 |
| stevemar | alrighty | 18:24 |
| morgan | Tag rc2 when needed | 18:24 |
| stevemar | i think i already tagged it | 18:24 |
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| morgan | :) | 18:25 |
| stevemar | okay, marekd your go, you wanted to talk about another potential rc2 bug? | 18:25 |
| marekd | stevemar: yeah | 18:26 |
| marekd | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206561/ this may actually blow up db_sync keystone | 18:26 |
| marekd | including kilo | 18:26 |
| marekd | i can work on it tomorrow and address the comments. | 18:26 |
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| marekd | actually bug desc is better to read: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1478961 | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478961 in Keystone "db sync on federation failed if there is existing data" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marek Denis (marek-denis) | 18:27 |
| dstanek | marekd: merging that change would blow up db_sync? or things will blow up without it? | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | so that won't require a backport migration will it? | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i think it's just a liberty fix lbragstad | 18:27 |
| morgan | lbragstad: if a migration is back ported it has to be idempotent. | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | stevemar: cool, so no backport | 18:27 |
| marekd | dstanek: without that change things *might* blow up db_sync in some cases | 18:28 |
| marekd | stevemar: lbragstad this actually should be backported to kilo too. | 18:28 |
| morgan | This is another case where we need to collapse the separate migrate repos into the main one | 18:28 |
| dstanek | marekd: is it possible to get a test to generate data to get into that situation? | 18:28 |
| morgan | marekd: that is likely un backportable to kill | 18:28 |
| morgan | Kilo | 18:28 |
| marekd | morgan: why? | 18:28 |
| morgan | If 006 doesn't exist in kilo you can't back port it | 18:29 |
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| morgan | You can't have gaps and you can't reuse numbers | 18:29 |
| morgan | If it | 18:29 |
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| bknudson | for M we need to consider if we want the placeholder migrations | 18:30 |
| marekd | morgan: uh, let me check | 18:30 |
| dstanek | no placeholders for the federation migrations? | 18:30 |
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| morgan | dstanek: no placeholders for any non-main repo | 18:30 |
| stevemar | dstanek: no placeholders for any extensions unfortunately | 18:30 |
| dstanek | morgan: didn't know that and i've never bothered to look | 18:30 |
| morgan | We need to collapse all of these into the main repo | 18:30 |
| morgan | As part of mitaka to fix this silly | 18:30 |
| morgan | State | 18:31 |
| marekd | morgan: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/tree/stable/kilo/keystone/contrib/federation/migrate_repo/versions correct me if i am wrong but we do have 006 in kilo ? | 18:31 |
| morgan | The split repos was (in hindsight) a bad idea | 18:31 |
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| morgan | Ok... Hm.. Maybe you can backport it | 18:32 |
| ayoung | halfway through | 18:32 |
| morgan | Be wary. Back porting migrations is scary | 18:32 |
| ayoung | and I really want to talk roles... | 18:32 |
| bknudson | 006 is already doing something else. | 18:32 |
| marekd | morgan: the only reason would be gaps in migrations numbering or something more 'political' ? | 18:32 |
| morgan | Anyway.. Just be warned there be dragons here | 18:32 |
| ayoung | morgan, the split repos was not a bad idea. Merging all of the migrations into one repo is the bad idea, but lets let it go.... | 18:32 |
| marekd | morgan: ok | 18:32 |
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| marekd | i will work on the fix and get back to you. | 18:33 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yeah, we're still good for time, its just this and a heads up about release notes, then we're on to roles | 18:33 |
| dstanek | marekd: and a test? | 18:33 |
| morgan | ayoung: the split repos was a terrible idea. It sounded good at the time | 18:33 |
| marekd | dstanek: and a test. | 18:33 |
| bknudson | this is changing an existing migration to clean it up. should be fine. | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | marekd: thx! | 18:33 |
| morgan | bknudson: ++ | 18:33 |
| marekd | morgan: stevemar dstanek : i think jose revealed this bug while doing test upgrade to kilo on his dev env.... | 18:33 |
| bknudson | the migration would have failed before so don't have to worry about it breaking anything. | 18:33 |
| * morgan was for split repos at the time. Anyway | 18:33 | |
| stevemar | bknudson: lol | 18:33 |
| ayoung | If we are pulling info from an extension in, have the migration check for the table before making any changes | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: for the test i'm more worried about ensuring we are fixing something | 18:34 |
| ayoung | it won't be reverseable, but we've droppped that requirement anyway | 18:34 |
| stevemar | marekd: let's proceed with fixing it | 18:34 |
| morgan | Anyway I'll take a bug to collapse the extra repos this cycle. | 18:34 |
| marekd | stevemar: OK, i will address the commments. | 18:35 |
| morgan | Let's backport that and get a test added | 18:35 |
| stevemar | we can potentially backport it, i can't imagine too many ppl have stuff in their federation tables, you guys were the early adopters | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morgan, we going to do all of the extensions at once? | 18:35 |
| morgan | Just be super careful backporting | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | and as bknudson said, it can't get worse | 18:35 |
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| morgan | ayoung: I'll collapse each as an idempotent migration | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morgan, ++ | 18:35 |
| stevemar | yup | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:35 |
| marekd | stevemar: i think lots of people are on very old releases, so they might get to the point we (cern) are today - let's then save them from the troubles. | 18:36 |
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| marekd | esp the fix is in the end not super hard. | 18:36 |
| marekd | :-) | 18:36 |
| stevemar | #todo stevemar to look into getting those 2 bugs backported and a possible ksm refresh | 18:36 |
| ayoung | stevemar, #action for those | 18:36 |
| stevemar | marekd: yup | 18:36 |
| marekd | stevemar: thanks! | 18:36 |
| stevemar | next! | 18:36 |
| stevemar | #topic release notes | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | we do that on etherpad first? | 18:37 |
| bknudson | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-liberty-release-notes | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | i think we already have on started | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | ^^ | 18:37 |
| bknudson | the proposed release notes are at the bottom | 18:37 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-liberty-release-notes | 18:38 |
| stevemar | we have an etherpad | 18:38 |
| stevemar | the link to the wiki is there | 18:38 |
| stevemar | and now here! | 18:38 |
| stevemar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29 | 18:38 |
| stevemar | please review and add as you see fit, i trust you all | 18:38 |
| ayoung | We are claiming Fernet token as a hardened feature. We willing to take it out of experimental? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | line 62 | 18:38 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yes, but it looks like it was in a good enough state to motivate someone to move it over (dolphm?) | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | it's hardened but I don't think it's moved out of experimental | 18:38 |
| stevemar | maybe lbragstad knows | 18:38 |
| bknudson | we never advertised fernet as experimental as far as I know | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: had a patch up to document that it's experimental | 18:39 |
| ayoung | lets be explicit one way ot the other with it, please | 18:39 |
| bknudson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224888/ | 18:39 |
| gyee | so we have 3 levels now, experimental, harden, and stable? | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | gyee: no, i think the point was to just say that it was hardened | 18:40 |
| stevemar | gyee: no, hardened isn't a thing, just yeah - what lbragstad says ^ | 18:40 |
| marekd | ^^ which of the state is equivalent to "may be used in prod" ? | 18:40 |
| stevemar | stable and experimental | 18:40 |
| stevemar | marekd: stable | 18:40 |
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| stevemar | experimental means we are subject to change things | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | yes | 18:41 |
| stevemar | break API contracts / endpoints / blah | 18:41 |
| ayoung | OK...review the rest...roels? | 18:41 |
| gyee | but would that be confusing to the operators? | 18:41 |
| gyee | its harden, but still experimental | 18:41 |
| bknudson | I don't think we're planning to break the fernet API contract | 18:41 |
| marekd | stevemar: AFAIR fernet format doesn't have any 'contract' | 18:41 |
| ayoung | 20 minutes left... and no henrynash | 18:41 |
| bknudson | fernet isn't working with tempest currently | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: yes, | 18:42 |
| stevemar | gyee: i'll clean up the wording :) | 18:42 |
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| marekd | bknudson has some patches for fernet & federation i also have some patches and not actually sure what to do with them... | 18:42 |
| gyee | stevemar, k, thanks, I was having my operator hat on | 18:42 |
| ayoung | I haven't looked, but I'll bet it still needs an external token format identifier, too. | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: once we have it passing all the tempest tests (which we're close) I feel comfortable marking it as stable | 18:42 |
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| bknudson | y, we should change one of the gates to use it. | 18:42 |
| stevemar | marekd: patches for what? | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | but, that will require some work around the subsecond problem that dolphm and i have been working on | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | which will require an API change | 18:43 |
| bknudson | also, we need to change the gate that uses eventlet to stop doing that | 18:43 |
| morgan | If fernet can't pass tempest we can't mark it stable | 18:43 |
| marekd | stevemar: fernet + federation | 18:43 |
| morgan | FYI. | 18:43 |
| bknudson | all the token formats should use the same resolution for timestamps | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ++ | 18:43 |
| morgan | Oooh ooooooh stevemar I'm gonna kill eventlet today for mitaka!! | 18:43 |
| bknudson | deployers already think fernet is stable. | 18:43 |
| marekd | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213742/ | 18:43 |
| stevemar | marekd: link me later | 18:43 |
| amakarov | morgan, ++ | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | yes, and correcting that will be an api change | 18:43 |
| stevemar | morgan: i just got feedback from someone saying to *not* kill it | 18:44 |
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| stevemar | but, later | 18:44 |
| morgan | stevemar: why? | 18:44 |
| morgan | stevemar: in -keystone post meeting | 18:44 |
| stevemar | morgan: meh, later, let's give ayoung time to chat about d20s | 18:44 |
| stevemar | #topic roles | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | Rolllllllllles | 18:44 |
| stevemar | ayoung: ^ | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | OK...so wish henry was here | 18:44 |
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| stevemar | oh right, henry can't make it today, my bad, was supposed to say that earlier :) | 18:44 |
| ayoung | As you might have learned, right now is the most valuable time for ghetting newe features definied; we have rc out, and people can start thinking about the next release | 18:45 |
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| * morgan roles 2d8: 4 and 7 | 18:45 | |
| ayoung | we've got a few things that might finally make some progress | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | first.. bug 968696 issue | 18:45 |
| openstack | bug 968696 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 | 18:45 |
| gyee | morgan, rolls? | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | there was an issue if a user deleted a project but the resources were not deleted, there was no way to clean them up | 18:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, suggested that it should be a service specific task; | 18:46 |
| ayoung | nova should clean vms, neutron networks and so on | 18:46 |
| ayoung | so... | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | first spec for that is | 18:46 |
| stevemar | ayoung: create an event and nova listens for it? | 18:46 |
| gyee | mistrial? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | stevemar, not if it missed it in the past | 18:46 |
| bknudson | we already have an event, that's why we closed the bug. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228477/ | 18:47 |
| gyee | taskflow? | 18:47 |
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| marekd | RAFT :P | 18:47 |
| ayoung | or not | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | it means we need to catch every exceptional case up front, with not way to fix things if they are broken | 18:47 |
| ayoung | operators need more support than that | 18:47 |
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| raildo | bknudson, ++ the only problem is that the services doesn't consume this event | 18:48 |
| ayoung | keystone sends the notifcation to cielometer only today...the distribution of events is not something that is well handled | 18:48 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ :( | 18:48 |
| ayoung | and if there is additional workflow? | 18:48 |
| marekd | and i think it's not default for ceilometer to consume and store those events | 18:48 |
| ayoung | so...lets state explicitly what this is: scope admin to an endpoint | 18:49 |
| ayoung | instead of trying to shoehord this into the HMT approach, we make a new value for "scope" in a token...."endpoint"....we could do all of the catalog items, but I think that makes policy too hard to write correctly | 18:49 |
| gyee | customer can create their own queue right? I am talking Rabbit | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | gyee, its trickier than that...it should be a different listener on the same topic | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | and if a service goes down, we don't have guaranteed delivery etc | 18:50 |
| ayoung | lets not count on events yet | 18:50 |
| stevemar | ayoung: if i have a role on an endpoint, what can i do? any action on that endpoint? | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, still depends on the role, just that the assignment is scoped to the endpoint | 18:51 |
| ayoung | it would mean that to perform an admin operation, instead of admin on any project (what we have today) or some admin project (suggested) they would have it on the endpoint... | 18:51 |
| gyee | with endpoint filtering, assignment is restrict to endpoint | 18:52 |
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| bknudson | how do you assign a role for a user on an endpoint? | 18:52 |
| ayoung | and we do an HMT style assignment for the normal case: assign the user the role on the whole catalog, requies a token scoped to the endpoint | 18:52 |
| gyee | bknudson, you assign a role to a user for a project and given set of endpoints | 18:52 |
| ayoung | bknudson, it becomes a new value for assignmnet_type in the assignemnt table | 18:52 |
| ayoung | gyee, not filtering... | 18:53 |
| ayoung | this is scope of the assignment itself, not endpoints filtered by project | 18:53 |
| bknudson | ok, a new assignment type | 18:53 |
| ayoung | there would be no project in the token | 18:53 |
| stevemar | the dots still aren't connecting for me | 18:53 |
| gyee | assigning role to a endpoint makes no sense | 18:53 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes | 18:53 |
| bknudson | and scope | 18:53 |
| marekd | does it have anytging to do with dynamic policies or it's a completely separated topic? | 18:53 |
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| stevemar | marekd: separate-ish | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | gyee, assigning a role to a user on an endpoint; essentially, the role name only means something if the role is scoped to endpoint, not a project on the endpoint | 18:54 |
| marekd | stevemar: how are they connected, then? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | marekd, similar, but separate from dynamic policy | 18:54 |
| gyee | unless we support endpoint scoping | 18:54 |
| gyee | which still doesn't make much sense without the project | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | gyee, to peform an admin action, instead of requesting a proejct scoped token, user requests and endpoint scoped token | 18:54 |
| marekd | ayoung: filling same bug, but in a different way, ok | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | marekd, yep | 18:55 |
| gyee | ayoung, yes, for admin action, it make a lot of sense | 18:55 |
| ayoung | dolphm, does this pass your sanity checker? | 18:55 |
| ayoung | OK...so that is the first item... | 18:55 |
| stevemar | dolphm might be afk | 18:55 |
| bknudson | what's the service catalog look like? | 18:55 |
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| lbragstad | ~5 minutes left | 18:55 |
| ayoung | bknudson, probably just the one endpoint | 18:55 |
| bknudson | keystone won't be able to fill in the %(tenant_id)s | 18:55 |
| ayoung | ok...so, we can cont that later | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | on to... | 18:56 |
| gyee | sounds like a good topic for Tokyo | 18:56 |
| ayoung | bknudson, true, but anne gentle is trying to kill that anyway... | 18:56 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i suggest you and henry really hash this out before tokyo | 18:56 |
| ayoung | gyee, agreed, but want to have consensus before Tokyo or we will miss 'M' | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, want everyone to know what we are talking about. | 18:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yes, service catalog: this topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/13/specs/service-catalog.rst | 18:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung: understood | 18:57 |
| ayoung | Henrynash's proposal is really three things | 18:57 |
| gyee | ayoung, I am all for endpoint-scoping | 18:57 |
| ayoung | 1. namespacing of roles. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | 2. Role inference | 18:57 |
| bknudson | don't wait for the meeting to talk about it. put together a workgroup or something. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | 3. virtual roles | 18:57 |
| ayoung | I was just targetting the 2 | 18:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung: those mean nothing to us right now :) | 18:57 |
| ayoung | I have working code for that. | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, right...which is why I am typing as fast as I can | 18:58 |
| ayoung | role infrecne.... | 18:58 |
| stevemar | s'all good | 18:58 |
| ayoung | an implied role means if I get "admin" I also get "member" | 18:58 |
| ayoung | so policy rule can be simplified | 18:58 |
| stevemar | put it up on a wiki and try to timeline it out and we can chat about it in -keystone | 18:58 |
| stevemar | we're not gonna get it in 90 seconds | 18:58 |
| ayoung | instead of saying "you need to have either admin or memeber" you can just say " you need to have member" | 18:58 |
| stevemar | s/wiki/etherpad/g | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, I put it up in a spec and I am working on example code... | 18:59 |
| stevemar | everyone - please please read: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/13/specs/service-catalog.rst | 18:59 |
| ayoung | the thing Henry and I need to hash out is where his and mine aline | 18:59 |
| ayoung | align | 18:59 |
| stevemar | for sure | 18:59 |
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| stevemar | lets not interfere with infras time | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 19:00:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | thanks everyone | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-09-29-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-09-29-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-09-29-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| stevemar | thx guys | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team: assemble! | 19:00 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:00 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| waynr | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| skylerberg | o/ | 19:00 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:00 |
| asselin | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| dougwig | O/ | 19:00 |
| stevemar | what about justice leagers? | 19:01 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 19:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements: reminder of Stackforge migration on October 17 | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-August/003119.html | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | ohai | 19:01 |
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| fungi | just a friendly reminder, this big rename is happening on october 17 | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | also any non-emergency rename work is postponed for now | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:02 |
| olaph | o\ | 19:02 |
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| anteaya | Clint has patches, stackforge-rename is the gerrit topic I think | 19:02 |
| fungi | we didn't have any pending renames listed on the agenda after i cleared out the ones we already took care of | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements: Mitaka Summit Planning Etherpad | 19:02 |
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| pleia2 | let the games begin | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-September/003237.html | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-mitaka-summit-planning | 19:02 |
| anteaya | mass-stackforge-renames | 19:03 |
| fungi | thanks pleia2 for putting that together! | 19:03 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:03 |
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| fungi | let's collectively brainstorm on summit topics for our allotted timeslots/rooms and then discuss them in an upcoming meeting | 19:03 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:03 |
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| anteaya | brainstorm in the etherpad you mean? | 19:04 |
| fungi | yep | 19:04 |
| anteaya | aye | 19:04 |
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| fungi | if we have lots of ideas in there by next tuesday i'll try to set aside a good chunk of the meeting to work through prioritizing them as a group | 19:04 |
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| fungi | if not, i'll shame you into adding more ;) | 19:04 |
| jeblair | note: we have some shared meetup space with qa and ironic; hopefully we'll have some cross pollination with our big projects | 19:04 |
| ruagair | O/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | yes, i'd love for us to have one focus be infra cloud, since we can ab^H^Huse the opportunity with ironic folk to flatter them and work through challenges we might have | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i'll bring barricades | 19:05 |
| crinkle | fungi: ++ | 19:05 |
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| fungi | and as always, qa are our brethren, so plenty of things we can work with them on | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements: jenkins-job-builder RFH and core reviewer list adjustments | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-September/003238.html | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/194,members | 19:06 |
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| fungi | thanks to zxiiro for stepping up and helping as a core reviewer on jjb! | 19:07 |
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| waynr | zxiiro++ | 19:07 |
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| fungi | also i've pruned some long-inactive core reviewers on jjb | 19:08 |
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| anteaya | thanks for past service | 19:08 |
| fungi | absolutely | 19:08 |
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| fungi | and as always, i know the current reviewers appreciate any additional reviewing help you can spare | 19:08 |
| anteaya | congratulations zxiiro | 19:08 |
| waynr | I'll forward that mail to my team, might get someone else to start reviewing | 19:08 |
| fungi | thanks waynr! | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-09-22-19.02.html | 19:09 |
| fungi | nibalizer propose change adding nibalizer to infra-root | 19:09 |
| fungi | yolanda propose change adding yolanda to infra-root | 19:09 |
| fungi | where did those end up? i'd like to go ahead and approve them | 19:09 |
| yolanda | pending from review | 19:09 |
| fungi | i meant to before the meeting, but ENOTIME | 19:09 |
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| yolanda | several +2, pending from more and approval | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/226526 | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/226643 | 19:10 |
| fungi | thanks, was just hunting those up | 19:10 |
| AJaeger | sorry, for joining late... | 19:10 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: glad you are here | 19:10 |
| fungi | there's already a majority of root admins with +2 on that so i'll approve right after the meeting. any remaining +2 feel free to add yourselves before then | 19:11 |
| yolanda | fungi, thx | 19:11 |
| fungi | jeblair automate some sort of mass contact attempt for stackforge move | 19:11 |
| jeblair | i did that! | 19:11 |
| fungi | i saw positive evidence that did indeed happen | 19:11 |
| fungi | we're getting lots of replies too | 19:11 |
| jeblair | seems to have helped | 19:12 |
| fungi | things are indeed looking a little better with the wiki now | 19:12 |
| clarkb | yup people are aware and talking | 19:12 |
| anteaya | the wikipage had many edits in the history | 19:12 |
| jeblair | in the email, i said we'd put unresponsive projects on the retire list by the end of the week | 19:12 |
| anteaya | yay deadlines | 19:12 |
| fungi | most awesome. to reiterate, i agree | 19:12 |
| clarkb | is it worth sending a second wave? | 19:12 |
| jeblair | so maybe next week, we send out another email to those and say "hey, we did this; better change the wiki page if you disagree"? | 19:12 |
| fungi | that's not a terrible idea | 19:13 |
| fungi | especially since you already have the script! | 19:13 |
| jeblair | yep, marginal cost is low | 19:13 |
| anteaya | and I like the wording of that | 19:13 |
| fungi | Clint write script to prepare project-config change for migration | 19:13 |
| Clint | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228002/ | 19:13 |
| anteaya | timing | 19:13 |
| fungi | he had it all typed up there, i bet ;) | 19:13 |
| Clint | he did | 19:13 |
| anteaya | comedy duo | 19:14 |
| fungi | please to reviewing | 19:14 |
| fungi | it has some parent changes which also look important | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | Clint: 228002 is just for the channels, we need similar script for zuul/layout.yaml as well | 19:14 |
| Clint | AJaeger: oops | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | Or at least some sed magic to replace everything - we can leave them in the "Stackforge" section | 19:15 |
| AJaeger | Yeah, that could work... | 19:15 |
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| AJaeger | We also need gerrit/projects.yaml to get updated | 19:15 |
| Clint | it does gerrit/projects.yaml | 19:15 |
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| Clint | and i'm not sure what needs renaming in zuul/layout.yaml | 19:15 |
| Clint | oh, i see | 19:16 |
| fungi | Clint: namespaces on the repos | 19:16 |
| AJaeger | Clint: we use "stackforge/repo" - but have it in sections. | 19:16 |
| Clint | got it | 19:16 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm less concerned about the section ordering/grouping there and more about making the rename happen | 19:16 |
| AJaeger | fungi: yeah... | 19:16 |
| AJaeger | sed should be enough... | 19:16 |
| fungi | Clint: so you want to work on the layout.yaml stuff too since you already have the projects.yaml and channels stuff worked out? | 19:17 |
| Clint | sure | 19:17 |
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| fungi | #action Clint write script to prepare layout.yaml change for migration | 19:17 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 19:17 |
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| fungi | everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214207/ | 19:17 |
| fungi | that seems to have happened and it's now merged | 19:17 |
| fungi | jhesketh: are the indices working as expected? | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | was that the change that jhesketh mentioned wanting to rewrite completely? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: its easy to test let me get a link | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/51/226751/14/check/nodepool-coverage/ doesn't seem to work properly | 19:19 |
| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/51/226751/14/check/nodepool-coverage/d06565b/ is the path to files in swift | 19:19 |
| clarkb | so we should get an index page with a listing of job uuid prefixes | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | but get a 404 instead | 19:20 |
| anteaya | :( | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | anyways somethign to go digging in apache logs to debug | 19:20 |
| fungi | similarly http://logs.openstack.org/43/226643/8/check/gate-system-config-pep8/ has no index even though it should include http://logs.openstack.org/43/226643/8/check/gate-system-config-pep8/886b686/ | 19:20 |
| fungi | #action jhesketh look into why the swift upload indices are still not appearing | 19:21 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: Translation check site spec (pleia2) | 19:21 |
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| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_check_site.html | 19:21 |
| fungi | that got approved last week | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | thanks everyone | 19:21 |
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| fungi | looking forward to an exciting implementation | 19:22 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:22 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: JJB 2.0 API (waynr) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/182542 | 19:22 |
| * waynr beeps | 19:22 | |
| fungi | this spec has been submitted for council vote | 19:22 |
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| yolanda | i'd like to resume work on #link https://review.openstack.org/155305 , can i get some more eyes? | 19:22 |
| fungi | right now it has only one rollcall vote, so it should probably collect a few more | 19:23 |
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| waynr | fungi: okay, is there a list of folks I should ping to get eyeson? | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | fungi: would you like to set a voting timeframe? | 19:23 |
| fungi | waynr: they're here | 19:24 |
| waynr | cool | 19:24 |
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| zaro | i just re-reviewed | 19:25 |
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| fungi | #info voting open on Jenkins Job Builder 2.0.0 API Changes/Rewrite spec until 2015-10-01 19:00 UTC | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval: Host third-party CI monitoring dashboard (mmedvede) | 19:26 |
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| mmedvede | thanks fungi, the spec proposes deploying CI Watch, can be seen running at | 19:26 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/194437 | 19:26 |
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| mmedvede | #link Example deployment: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova | 19:26 |
| mmedvede | as one of infrastructure's services at ci-dashboard.openstack.org | 19:27 |
| anteaya | the third party group has been working toward agreement on what tool infra should host for some time | 19:27 |
| fungi | looks like it has a couple rollcall votes but still needs a few more | 19:27 |
| anteaya | congratulations to everyone involved for getting this far | 19:28 |
| fungi | #info voting open on initial CI monitoring dashboard service spec until 2015-10-01 19:00 UTC | 19:28 |
| asselin | third party folks are supporting this solution | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | maybe a question for another time, but how are we keeping track of this vs. openstack health? | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | I could see confusion happening | 19:28 |
| anteaya | pleia2: it is a good question | 19:28 |
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| pleia2 | should probably select naming very carefully at this stage | 19:28 |
| fungi | right, one is for upstream ci tracking failure rates for specific jobs if i recall correctlt | 19:28 |
| fungi | correctly | 19:29 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes that is openstack health | 19:29 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:29 | |
| fungi | so potential for confusion does exist | 19:29 |
| yolanda | do we have spec for openstack health? | 19:29 |
| anteaya | and the spec for it is sdague's and was called ci-watch | 19:29 |
| fungi | qa might | 19:29 |
| fungi | oh, the hosting spec for it, yes | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I also don't see how its supposed to provide additional info over what is already in gerrit. Are we looking for trends? maybe it should interpret the data then? | 19:29 |
| anteaya | I thought it was in infra | 19:29 |
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| anteaya | yes the hosting spec | 19:29 |
| anteaya | clarkb: it is a visualization tool | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: openstack-health shows subunit data | 19:30 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yes but its not showing me any new information | 19:30 |
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| mmedvede | #link openstack health sample deploy: http://15.126.244.104:8001/#/ | 19:30 |
| skylerberg | clarkb: For CI operators this shows a lot more data at once. | 19:30 |
| anteaya | and really helps projects see what they need to see to track their jobs | 19:30 |
| clarkb | anteaya: lifeless specifically talking about the third party ci thing | 19:30 |
| asselin | clarkb, we're just looking for a quick an easy tool | 19:30 |
| anteaya | clarkb: oh the third party tool | 19:30 |
| anteaya | clarkb: projects want it and developers want it | 19:30 |
| clarkb | skylerberg: right and because of that its unreadable | 19:30 |
| skylerberg | It can be tedious to figure out when your CI started failing and to see if others are also failing from a similar problem. | 19:30 |
| clarkb | skylerberg: anyways we can iterate on what is actually useful later | 19:30 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'm fine with this being an experiment. its success or failure does not need to be predetermined | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | FWIW: grafana could also be used for health checks | 19:31 |
| anteaya | clarkb: nova is using the third party ci dashboard in their meetings | 19:31 |
| mmedvede | Openstack health looks like it is more for overall status. third-parties are interested in how their CI perfroms, and that is what CI Watch does | 19:31 |
| anteaya | clarkb: to track their nova drivers | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | mmedvede: right I think openstack health is more in line with what I would expect the third part ci dashboard to do. Interpret the vast quantity of data for me so I don't have to scroll horizontally multiple browser widths. But again we can hash those details out later | 19:32 |
| fungi | okay, further feedback to the review. if there are new concerns we can defer approving it but get your comments in by thursday | 19:32 |
| anteaya | #link sdague's ci watch spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192253/ | 19:32 |
| mmedvede | fungi: thanks | 19:32 |
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| nibalizer | o/ (sorry for late) | 19:33 |
| fungi | worst case we can always adjust the spec after it merges too | 19:33 |
| anteaya | I would like to see if we can approve the spec as is and figure out the naming afterwards | 19:33 |
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| anteaya | it has taken over a year for the third party folks to get this far | 19:33 |
| fungi | not like specs are written in stone, just good to get them as close as possible in the beginning if we can | 19:33 |
| anteaya | it would be nice if we can figure out a way to approve the spec | 19:33 |
| skylerberg | clarkb: Don't worry we are on the same page and have discussed adding pagination and summarizing results. The scrolling forever thing is a known issue :) | 19:33 |
| asselin | I think the spec is great as is | 19:33 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: Spec for nodepool image update retries (yolanda) | 19:33 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/155305 | 19:34 |
| fungi | (last-minute addition) | 19:34 |
| yolanda | it has been stopped for long, i'd like to resume it these days | 19:34 |
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| yolanda | so it needs some more eyes, it's a quite simple addition | 19:34 |
| clarkb | yolanda: does DIB make that not necessary? | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | in my experience dib builds are quite reliable due to the caching dib performs | 19:35 |
| jeblair | it does seem like it should make it less necessary at least | 19:35 |
| yolanda | clarkb, when i was using DIB, it was failing to me as well | 19:35 |
| fungi | since it's not been on the agenda before today's meeting i'll defer opening voting until next week, but this can serve as a reminder that it's ready | 19:35 |
| yolanda | although i'm not a dib user for a long time | 19:35 |
| clarkb | yolanda: my preference would be to not complicate image builds more right now because we are trying to switch to shade, have recently found many bugs in image building and need many more tests, and in theory DIB fixes many of the reliability problems present with snapshot builds | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | there's also an assumption here that it's important for image builds to succeed daily | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | Also uploads and such retry with shade | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | or they can and should | 19:36 |
| yolanda | yes, not ready for voting, but needs more reviews | 19:36 |
| yolanda | i'll add for next week agenda | 19:36 |
| yolanda | clarkb, also, do we want to deprecate snapshots method at some point or we will let it coexist? | 19:36 |
| jeblair | we should deprecate snapshots | 19:37 |
| clarkb | +1 | 19:37 |
| fungi | right, we've so far (upstream) operated on the assumption that it's nice to have daily image refreshes but jobs should be resillient to working from stale images when needed | 19:37 |
| fungi | i could get onboard with snapshot deprecation, though obviously that implies a major version bump in nodepool when we eventually do remove them | 19:37 |
| jeblair | i think i'd be in favor of postponing this until we're on fully-dib and shade, so we see what our actual need is then | 19:37 |
| clarkb | jeblair: wfm | 19:38 |
| yolanda | ok | 19:38 |
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| yolanda | for downstream usage at least, is important to have images regenerated daily | 19:38 |
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| yolanda | really a need now, if we have some failure, we are enforced to regenerate manually | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: that's unfortunate; i'm happy to talk with you about ways to avoid that | 19:39 |
| yolanda | jeblair, yes, i'd like to have help on that | 19:39 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:39 |
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| fungi | (also our upstream jobs serve as a model for how we work around them) | 19:40 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:40 |
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| fungi | any urgent updates on the priority efforts front? if not, i propose we skip ahead to discussion topics since we're at 20 minutes remaining and have several on the agenda | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | #vote skip | 19:40 |
| fungi | mostly just looking for blockers which need some attention | 19:41 |
| fungi | going once... | 19:41 |
| fungi | twice... | 19:41 |
| yolanda | i just want to say thanks to TW guys for the huge efforts on puppet module testing | 19:41 |
| fungi | #topic Policy around bash-isms vs. POSIX compliance in infra (pleia2) | 19:41 |
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| pleia2 | this is actually broader than this specific thing, with more cores and the team growing in general, I don't think we have any kind of style guide or such to judge things like this | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | maybe we should? | 19:41 |
| anteaya | pleia2: was there a usuage you questioned that motivated the topic? | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | defining things like posix vs bash, preferred puppet methods, etc | 19:42 |
| clarkb | we have never been posix and explicitly bash everywhere | 19:42 |
| fungi | so far i think our policy has been "don't use bashisms unless you declare #!/bin/bash in your entry-point scripts" | 19:42 |
| ianw | i think it's bash everywhere | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: negative review and "fixes" switching to posix rather than bash | 19:42 |
| anteaya | pleia2: link? | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | so it was clear to me that not everyone knows we decided on bash | 19:42 |
| jeblair | we were entertaining adopting bash8 at some point... | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: in the meeting agenda, I'll copy... | 19:42 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/212663 | 19:42 |
| dougwig | I usually stick to posix if it's trivial, just for easier porting. This is just a question of reviewer calibration. I've added nits to ask if posix, but I don't think I've ever -1'ed. | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 19:42 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224326/1/jenkins/scripts/common_translation_update.sh | 19:42 |
| AJaeger | fungi: I had a patch that I abondoned where I did try to put in some consistency | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | dougwig: thank you for handling it that way :) | 19:42 |
| clarkb | dougwig: so I disagree on that actually because sh isn't ever bourne shell anymore | 19:43 |
| clarkb | bash is way more portable | 19:43 |
| AJaeger | So, if [a = b] ; instead of [a == b] | 19:43 |
| ianw | i would say maintain consistency with surrounding code | 19:43 |
| clarkb | so if we want portability we should be explicit that its bash and not argue :) | 19:43 |
| greghaynes | you mean [[ ]] which would be bash vs posix | 19:43 |
| clarkb | er not argue over the code (if it works in bash great) | 19:43 |
| nibalizer | I agree with clark | 19:43 |
| AJaeger | greghaynes: == is also bash, = is posix | 19:43 |
| dougwig | maybe it's just this old dog being stuck on '='. no worries, not arguing. :) | 19:44 |
| nibalizer | /bin/sh can be any number of incompatible things at this point | 19:44 |
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| * jeblair is just happy if his shell scripts run and don't delete filesystems | 19:44 | |
| fungi | as long as the shebang is an accurate reflection of the script's interpreter requirements, i see "portability" changes as unnecessary rewrite noise for the most part | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: ha ha ha | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: this is a stance i could agree with (i could also agree with clarkb) | 19:45 |
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| fungi | it's easy to run checkbashisms against a script and propose "fixes" based on that, but since we don't have consensus that we should avoid using bash in our scripts (what's the portability/efficiency benefit there?) it's a waste of reviewer and developer effort | 19:45 |
| anteaya | yeah I'm not sure what problem we are solving here | 19:46 |
| clarkb | right I think we should just be explicit and be fine with them. I am guilty of abusing bashisms to make the code simpler and more readable fwiw so I definitely have a bias here | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | ++ to posix changes being not a useful way to spend time for everyone involved | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | for us | 19:46 |
| clarkb | But I think that in general saying "bash is ok" is good as a result | 19:46 |
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| pleia2 | wfm | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | yep | 19:46 |
| ianw | fungi: yep, changes just to modify unnecessary. i'd also not reject things that are "posix-ism" (maybe bash has a better/different way) if consistent with existing code | 19:46 |
| AJaeger | wfm as well.... | 19:46 |
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| pleia2 | so is it valuable to record decisions like this somewhere for reviewers? | 19:46 |
| fungi | i sometimes wonder whether people are looking for easy ways to provide benefit, so the answer is likely finding them other more productive ways to contribute | 19:46 |
| dougwig | i don't think there's an argument here, i'm guessing you can move on. :) | 19:47 |
| ianw | plenty of spelling errors in devstack :) | 19:47 |
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| Clint | pleia2: i think so | 19:47 |
| yolanda | pleia2, a guide for proper reviews sounds like a good idea | 19:47 |
| clarkb | thats what the first line of the script is for | 19:47 |
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| fungi | #agree Project Infrastructure scripts don't seek to eliminate use of bash, and unsolicited POSIX-compliance changes are not a review priority | 19:47 |
| clarkb | "this is bash" done | 19:47 |
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| Clint | clarkb: that doesn't help if someone thinks "oh, wouldn't it be better if this weren't in bash" | 19:49 |
| fungi | oh, i think the keyword is "agreed" not "agree"? | 19:49 |
| * Clint nods. | 19:49 | |
| anteaya | fungi: agreed | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | Clint: let's chat later to see about other institutional knowledge and come up with a proposal for such a thing if we get critical mass :) | 19:49 |
| fungi | so anyway, anyone strongly disagree before i correct my agree? | 19:49 |
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| Clint | pleia2: sure | 19:49 |
| fungi | #agreed Project Infrastructure scripts don't seek to eliminate use of bash, and unsolicited POSIX-compliance changes are not a review priority | 19:49 |
| fungi | #topic Fedora 22 nodes (ianw) | 19:50 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/186619 | 19:50 |
| ianw | oh this was last week, but if we have 2 minutes | 19:50 |
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| ianw | i have fedora-minimal changes out, they're stuck int he dib queue | 19:50 |
| fungi | ahh, yep i see the sept 22 on these | 19:50 |
| ianw | i wouldn't mind if we merged this while that goes through | 19:50 |
| ianw | then i'll convert | 19:51 |
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| ianw | the issue was that we want the minimal images to boot on rax | 19:51 |
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| fungi | oh, right, i kept these topics in because they didn't get hit last week | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | right, the original fedora22 images would only boot on hpcloud | 19:52 |
| clarkb | ianw: so you would like to start with that then convert to minimal and add rax after dib updates go in? | 19:52 |
| greghaynes | ianw: tomorrow im back to being able to work real hours | 19:52 |
| ianw | yep, but i'd rather us start building the images, and i can debug everything that goes wrong that !rax | 19:52 |
| clarkb | I am fine with that | 19:52 |
| greghaynes | so ill try and review those | 19:52 |
| ianw | clarkb: exactly, there's so much other stuff, puppet etc | 19:52 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya | 19:52 |
| ianw | let's get that shaken out | 19:53 |
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| ianw | greghaynes: np, thanks. the fedora-minimal images are bigger than the non-minimal images :) still looking into that | 19:53 |
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| fungi | ianw: also you had a topic up for docker use in a project's job configuration. looks like that merged. still urgent? if not i'll jump to gerrit upgrade discussion | 19:53 |
| greghaynes | hah | 19:53 |
| ianw | well, on docker, i mean i guess we don't care so much if jobs go ahead and install their own docker debs, etc | 19:54 |
| ianw | i just pointed out to the owner of the job that it's very possible we'll do something to the underlying platform that totally breaks it though | 19:54 |
| greghaynes | ideally they do and we cache the packages in images | 19:54 |
| ianw | and it's going to be a super-fragile job with network, imo | 19:54 |
| jeblair | i think we care more as they start to need to use dockerhub (mayb we need a mirror) or are part of official openstack projects | 19:54 |
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| ianw | so yeah, just a heads up that i think this has started in the wild, and it may come back to us to do a more centralised thing (mirrors, caching, etc) in the future | 19:55 |
| fungi | thanks ianw! | 19:55 |
| fungi | #topic Gerrit upgrade (zaro, anteaya) | 19:55 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/I0eV4IgkZS | 19:55 |
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| fungi | just a quick check-in on current gerrit upgrade status | 19:55 |
| anteaya | so zaro has been working hard on the gerrit upgrade | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | and as we tried to outline on the etherpad he is currently blocked | 19:56 |
| zaro | so i think the questions is are there any ideas on how we can move this forward? | 19:56 |
| anteaya | so we thought sharing that info would be a good start to figureing out next steps | 19:56 |
| anteaya | bascially we are a unique snowflake | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | and unless we fix the upstream thing ourselves zaro feels it won't get fixed | 19:57 |
| fungi | so the summary is that most gerrit users just up the timeout and hope they don't still hit the issue, jgit devs are disinclined to view it as a bug? | 19:57 |
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| clarkb | zaro: gerrit and android and cyanogenmod are all hosted publicly as well | 19:57 |
| clarkb | zaro: do they not care about this bug? | 19:58 |
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| zaro | well, it's definately a bug. the issue is whether it's a gerrit bug or a jgit bug | 19:58 |
| clarkb | also jgit itself is publicly hosted too | 19:58 |
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| fungi | gerrit and android use a database-backed rather than file-backed repo solution though right? or was that disinformation? | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | that is correct | 19:58 |
| fungi | (and yes, i know filesystems are technically databases) | 19:58 |
| zaro | good points. so maybe i'm way off. but just seems like nobody wants to touch it. | 19:59 |
| clarkb | BUT my understanding of the bug is its thread contention of the same object in gerrit/jgit | 19:59 |
| clarkb | so would be surprised if that fixes it for them | 19:59 |
| anteaya | if we look to 2.11 is it fixed there? | 19:59 |
| anteaya | or is this issue just going to follow future releases? | 19:59 |
| fungi | well, we're down to the last few seconds for the meeting, but maybe try to put our heads together in #openstack-infra and regroup | 19:59 |
| anteaya | thanks for the time | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks for bringing it up! | 19:59 |
| zaro | it's a bug in 2.11 | 19:59 |
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| zaro | it's a bug in master | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks for attending, everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 20:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-09-29-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-09-29-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-09-29-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | We're on! | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| lifeless | o/ | 20:00 |
| cpallares | o/ | 20:00 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:00 |
| fungi | i'm just here for the free food | 20:00 |
| lifeless | in mind at least | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 20:00 |
| Piet | yep | 20:00 |
| * dougwig lurks. | 20:00 | |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| waynr | free food forever! | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | food? | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| Piet | putting on some music | 20:00 |
| * edleafe lurks | 20:00 | |
| sheeprine | o/ | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | dtroyer: twice a year, at the summits ... | 20:01 |
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| ttx | jgriffith, annegentle, mordred, flaper87, jaypipes, dhellmann: around ? | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | lifeless: ah, right | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | allo | 20:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 20:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our (busy) agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| * ruagair lurks | 20:02 | |
| ttx | I reorganized it a bit so that easier topics can be cleared fast | 20:02 |
| ttx | and because the Kosmos decision might affect other decisions | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Adds OpenStack UX core reviewers to extra-atcs | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/224923 | 20:02 |
| ttx | 4 names proposed, all Foundation members. | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Piet, Eric and Ju Lim are actually already ATCs for their contribution to other projects | 20:02 |
| ttx | still missing a few votes | 20:03 |
| ttx | objections? | 20:03 |
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| anteaya | ttx I put them in the patch because I couldn't confirm that when I wrote it | 20:03 |
| Piet | This is really about Michael Hinnant who doesn't have ATC status. However, he has been very active providing reviews. | 20:03 |
| sdague | none that I see, I think we should just let votes accumulate and move on | 20:03 |
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| ttx | ok, will approve when it reaches 7 | 20:03 |
| russellb | ttx: has 7 now | 20:03 |
| anteaya | can they still be added to the tc election roll? | 20:03 |
| ttx | alright then, approved | 20:03 |
| Piet | Sweet! | 20:04 |
| ttx | anteaya: no, we tagged it | 20:04 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 20:04 |
| ttx | #topic Formal vulnerability:managed application criteria | 20:04 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/226869 | 20:04 |
| ttx | The previous version of this was basically saying "whatever the VMT is comfortable with" | 20:04 |
| ttx | This version is just them actually detailing what they are comfortable with, so ++ | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 20:04 |
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| * dhellmann likes that we are writing things down | 20:04 | |
| ttx | objections ? Otherwise will approve when it reaches 7 votes | 20:05 |
| annegentle | me too | 20:05 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:05 |
| sdague | yep, this seems pretty concrete | 20:05 |
| russellb | has 5 so far.. | 20:05 |
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| ttx | lets move on, will approve async | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Add new project Kosmos | 20:05 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/223674 | 20:06 |
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| ttx | Last week we deferred the decision on this one | 20:06 |
| ttx | since it may affect the decision on latter topics I moved it up | 20:06 |
| * russellb is fine with it, but would rather be approving with clear consensus | 20:06 | |
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| ttx | The project and the project teams are sane, the question is more whether we should generally require "some" work to be done before approving project teams | 20:06 |
| ttx | We generally require that of completely-new project teams (see for example kiloeyes) | 20:06 |
| sdague | personally I'm fine with this, however I don't think we should force it if people are against it | 20:06 |
| russellb | and there doesn't seem to be clear consensus, so i'm also happy saying "go do your thing for a bit first" | 20:06 |
| ttx | We didn't require it for the packaging initiatives (packaging-deb, packaging-rpm...), though | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | I'm on the fence, but leaning to the side of waiting to see what's actually produced so we don't set a bad precedent | 20:06 |
| dtroyer | I think we should no matter the team makeup | 20:06 |
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| ttx | I'm generally leaning towards requiring "some" work to be present -- it makes judging "are you one of us" a lot straightforward | 20:06 |
| dtroyer | the project also needs to prove itself | 20:07 |
| ttx | but then should we kick out packaging-deb which do not even have their repositories set up yet ? | 20:07 |
| mordred | I do not think we need to require "Some" work myself | 20:07 |
| lifeless | so we've set objective criteria up | 20:07 |
| ttx | what about packaging-rpm, with its grand total of 4 commits ? | 20:07 |
| russellb | ttx: that was probably premature, then | 20:07 |
| mordred | but I do not feel so strongly about it to argue vehemently | 20:07 |
| dtroyer | me either, but you know, consistency | 20:07 |
| lifeless | but we've pushed back on some projects because of lack of evidence of meeting the criteria - it just feels really weird to me that we'd not be consistent about that | 20:07 |
| * mordred does not care about consistency or a set of rules we published | 20:07 | |
| russellb | if we go the "needs some work done first", that's fine, i can take the action to propose a guidelines update to make that more clear | 20:07 |
| sdague | at this point it's only expensive to add things if it's expensive to delete them | 20:07 |
| * mordred cares about our judgement as humans | 20:07 | |
| jeblair | if packaging-* doesn't have anything to show in a cycle or two, we can remove them :) | 20:07 |
| ttx | I think one difference now is that theer is no issue in proving yourself in openstack/* repositories without being official just yet | 20:07 |
| markmcclain | I like the project and contribs, but seems there should be some kind of digital trail | 20:08 |
| * mordred considers our guidelines to be guidelines and that we are humans and can decide to accept or not accept a set of humans should we choose | 20:08 | |
| fungi | note that at last check, the deb packaging repos don't even exist yet | 20:08 |
| ttx | so there is no cost in starting the project out of the governance | 20:08 |
| lifeless | mordred: I care about our judgement as humans - but I also care about what we're communicating to the other humans involved | 20:08 |
| annegentle | mordred: but unfortunately that line of thinking means that we are a clique and the cool kids have to do nothing to get in | 20:08 |
| mordred | lifeless: I agree - but I think we can massage our guidelines - I want to make sure we do not become a slave to them | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | mordred: I would like for us to make sure we're not establishing a clique culture, where we accept any project from "people we know" and put newcomers through some sort of acceptance test -- it's a low enough bar to say, "run for a couple of months and let's see" | 20:08 |
| ttx | Looks like most people are fine waiting, and some people object to approviung. We should therefore delay | 20:08 |
| jeblair | annegentle: i consistently vote to add new projects with no history :) | 20:08 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. concerned we've never expressed the standard | 20:09 |
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| jgriffith | annegentle: +1 | 20:09 |
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| sdague | annegentle: is it that? or is it that proven members of the community have some trust which should be portable? | 20:09 |
| dtroyer | mordred: we're not a slave, we still have the judgement call of 'how much' needs to be there.. I think it is >0 | 20:09 |
| mordred | annegentle, dhellmann: I think the only thing left that defines us as people is that the people are part of our set of people | 20:09 |
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| lifeless | mordred: sure. So - the first thing is that http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html doesn't talk about guidelines | 20:09 |
| annegentle | sdague: as a minority in this community I have to state what it looks like to me | 20:09 |
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| annegentle | sdague: I like trust, I also like earned trust | 20:09 |
| ttx | Anyone strongly objecting to delaying until there is something set up ? | 20:09 |
| jgriffith | I'm +1 on it, my only thought is going forward keep in mind the criteria used here and in other places | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | mordred: sure, but this is as much about appearances as anything. I can't imagine we'll come back in a month and say no to this team. | 20:09 |
| mordred | which is to say - I my vote is to be permissive in this case, but I understand and respect the alternate opinion | 20:10 |
| ttx | there seems to be more people objecting to approving it, than people objecting to delay it | 20:10 |
| lifeless | I'd be happy to appprove if we go back to the folk we pushed back on and approve them, as they were no less conformant | 20:10 |
| sdague | for the record, I do not object to a delay | 20:10 |
| jeblair | my vote is to include but that's because i _want_ to establish a culture where people start new projects and do them right and fully integrated from the start. | 20:10 |
| sdague | but I'd be fine moving forward | 20:10 |
| anteaya | annegentle: well said | 20:10 |
| annegentle | I think you can definitely approve it even with my no vote, right? Just voicing what I needed to say. | 20:10 |
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| sdague | jeblair: ++ | 20:10 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: fair point | 20:10 |
| mordred | jeblair: that is what I was trying and failing to say | 20:11 |
| lifeless | jeblair: can they not do that without our blessing? | 20:11 |
| edleafe | jeblair: yes~ | 20:11 |
| lifeless | jeblair: like, what is held back from not-yet-in-governance projects these days? | 20:11 |
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| fungi | now that applying to governance later doesn't imply a git repo rename, it's possible the interest in starting teh project first and then applying will increase | 20:11 |
| mordred | lifeless: voting | 20:12 |
| jeblair | lifeless: services on openstack.org like docs hosting, and some amount of attention and care from other cross-project teams. | 20:12 |
| ttx | sigh, feels like it's when people don't have strong optionions that it's the most difficult to come to a conclusion | 20:12 |
| mordred | lifeless: and that | 20:12 |
| ttx | opinions* | 20:12 |
| dougwig | ttx: lol | 20:12 |
| russellb | heh | 20:12 |
| sdague | so, while we have a voting mechanism, we also aim to be concensus based | 20:12 |
| ttx | quick check -- who strongly objects to delaying ? | 20:12 |
| sdague | no concensus means we should delay | 20:12 |
| ttx | and who strongly objects to approving ? | 20:12 |
| jeblair | lifeless: like if you want to run ruby on java in your docker, i'm not going to care for a stackforge project, but i'm going to hold openstack projects to a higher standard in terms of ci construction | 20:13 |
| ttx | I don't really care either way. Slight preference for delaying. | 20:13 |
| russellb | sdague: +1 ... ideally with a guidelines followup that clarifies "do at least some work first", which i don't mind adding | 20:13 |
| sdague | it would be good if one or more of the folks that are pro delaying write those guidelines | 20:13 |
| sdague | or russellb :) | 20:13 |
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| markmcclain | russellb: +1 | 20:13 |
| lifeless | russellb: please do | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | I'm happy to work on the guidelines | 20:14 |
| russellb | it'll just be a sentence or 2 to http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | A counter argument to "do at least some work first" is that it's possible corporate sponsors may want a project team to receive TC blessing before starting on a large endeavor. | 20:14 |
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| ttx | So the ONE reason why I prefer to delay is: we'd accept the cool kids and delay the people we don't know and ask them to prove themselves first. | 20:14 |
| sdague | anyway, it seems like folks that are pro delay probably can best describe what makes them uncomfortable with moving this forward as is | 20:14 |
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| annegentle | my thinking is we have no evidence of "basic interop" or contributions | 20:14 |
| ttx | I think it's simpler to require everyone shows something | 20:14 |
| dougwig | SpamapS: fyi, not an issue in this case. | 20:14 |
| annegentle | nothing measurable yet | 20:14 |
| annegentle | right, just show us something | 20:14 |
| russellb | i actually don't care much, but i'm happy doing the guidelines if that helps get us to better consensus | 20:14 |
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| sdague | russellb: thanks | 20:15 |
| russellb | but is it just going to have 5 -1s "we shouldn't have to wait" ? | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | I feel strongly that governance should not impact interest/desire to work on the project, I also feel strongly that we should embrace our concept of inclusion | 20:15 |
| annegentle | thanks russellb | 20:15 |
| russellb | if so, that doesn't really get us anywhere | 20:15 |
| ttx | OK, let's delay and have a general rule from now on that the project is started before applying | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | In other words, what's the point of wating? | 20:15 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: with big tent, if we're doing that, we've gotten the engagement model very wonky | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | It succeeds or it doesn't | 20:15 |
| annegentle | russellb: so how do I know that the last three bullets are met with Kosmos? | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | It has little impact on the TC either way after we get through the process of approving no? | 20:15 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: so why did we ask monasca to wait? | 20:15 |
| sdague | russellb: well, I'd give it a shot | 20:15 |
| russellb | ok, will do | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I agree 100% with your statement. | 20:16 |
| dtroyer | I don' tthink requiring even a small history doesn't embrace inclusion, as annegentle said, without it the only history we have is personal history and that doesn't reflect what _that_ proiject might do in the future | 20:16 |
| ttx | annegentle: we annegentle ssume they will based on what we know of the team members, which very much feels like a bias | 20:16 |
| ttx | weird tab completion there | 20:16 |
| jeblair | ttx: don't we need someone with a +1 to revoke it in order for the motion to fail? | 20:16 |
| annegentle | ttx: right | 20:16 |
| annegentle | ha | 20:16 |
| markmcclain | dtroyer: right.. we've had other proposed projects that wandered off in teh wrong direction after organizing | 20:16 |
| ttx | jeblair: formally yes, which is why I'd like people to agree on the direction | 20:16 |
| sdague | jeblair: procedurally can't ttx just table it | 20:17 |
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| edleafe | lifeless: well, they had a definite not-one-of-us history | 20:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: that sounds awfully like a veto | 20:17 |
| ttx | I can table it like swe did others | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | Feels weird to say there's no history available. There's a team somewhere that came up with the idea, and some other team that agrees with the idea. And that sounds like a short history of collaboration between orgs? | 20:17 |
| sdague | yeh, I do think monasca was actually the inverse here | 20:17 |
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| sdague | lots of commit history, very little community history | 20:17 |
| ttx | jeblair: the resolution is still valid, just the timing is bad ? | 20:17 |
| ttx | rather than rejecting those we have been generally tabling them | 20:17 |
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| lifeless | edleafe: collaboration with what, 3 different contributing organisations | 20:18 |
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| dtroyer | ttx: I think that is the right approach. | 20:18 |
| markmcclain | SpamapS: group based policy is an example that started the same with known people/team, but ended up in a place that would be hard for inclusion at this point | 20:18 |
| lifeless | edleafe: resulted from community discussions at summits... | 20:19 |
| edleafe | lifeless: I meant the closed meetings, java codebase, etc | 20:19 |
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| ttx | If we were to call for a final vote now it would pass, based on current votes | 20:19 |
| dtroyer | frankly I liked seeing the application right off, it shows intent and makes the history a shorter peocess in my mind anyway | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer: ++ | 20:19 |
| sdague | anyway, I think we agreed on a path forward right | 20:19 |
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| sdague | 1) delay | 20:19 |
| sdague | 2) write up new guidelines on what is expected | 20:19 |
| ttx | sdague: jeblair objects and calls for a final vote | 20:19 |
| annegentle | I've registered my concerns with the perception and I feel heard. That's how voting works, I think. | 20:19 |
| edleafe | I think the hesitation is because removing is not so easy if they don't meet expectations | 20:20 |
| sdague | jeblair: is that what's happening? | 20:20 |
| ttx | If he does I'm hapopy to call for final vote now | 20:20 |
| jeblair | i didn't think that was what i was doing -- i just thought we voted on things. :) | 20:20 |
| ttx | or happy even | 20:20 |
| russellb | if it goes in, can we still update guidelines to say "we encourage early application" ? | 20:20 |
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| dtroyer | russellb: yes please | 20:21 |
| russellb | let's update guidelines either way, basically :) | 20:21 |
| sdague | ok, I guess I'm just confused. How about we #vote on plan listed above | 20:21 |
| dtroyer | with whatever history expectations we wind up with | 20:21 |
| sdague | delay 1 month and have new guidelines | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | I don't understand the issue, we table things for more discussion all the time | 20:21 |
| ttx | #startvote Should we delay the vote until the project is set up ? yes, no, abstain | 20:21 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we delay the vote until the project is set up ? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:21 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:21 |
| russellb | i'd say we should expect a few months of project history (roughly), or we accept this and say we encourage early application like this | 20:21 |
| sdague | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| ttx | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| jeblair | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| dtroyer | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| ttx | jeblair: feels less like a veto that way I guess | 20:22 |
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| markmcclain | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| jeblair | ttx: yes :) | 20:22 |
| ttx | sdague: thx :) | 20:22 |
| annegentle | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| ttx | closing in 10 seconds | 20:22 |
| mordred | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | #vote no | 20:22 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we delay the vote until the project is set up ?" Results are | 20:22 |
| openstack | yes (9): ttx, annegentle, jeblair, russellb, sdague, mordred, dhellmann, dtroyer, markmcclain | 20:22 |
| ttx | dammit john | 20:23 |
| russellb | jgriffith: just missed it. | 20:23 |
| annegentle | aw | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | Oh well | 20:23 |
| sdague | it will be in the minutes | 20:23 |
| russellb | :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | #agreed delay the vote until the project is set up | 20:23 |
| sdague | and it doesn't impact the actual vote | 20:23 |
| ttx | sdague: agreed | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | Obviously doesn't matter anyway | 20:23 |
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| lifeless | #vote yes | 20:23 |
| ttx | let's move on | 20:23 |
| lifeless | blink and you mis it | 20:23 |
| ttx | #topic Add Juju Charms for Ubuntu to OpenStack | 20:23 |
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| ttx | So the decision on Kosmos kind of sets a precedent here | 20:24 |
| russellb | same situation? | 20:24 |
| dougwig | the wording of that is odd, since it is setup/created/cookiecutter/irc/etc, so please clarify what it means. i'll assume "show me some code". sdague, 1 month is likely too short in this case, due to it being summit month. | 20:24 |
| ttx | This is imho comparable to other packaging efforts we have in the big tent | 20:24 |
| ttx | There are no existing repositories though, so we could kosmos this one | 20:24 |
| russellb | dougwig: i was thinking "a few months" | 20:24 |
| sdague | is it the same situation? I thought they had a ton of code | 20:24 |
| annegentle | ttx: verbed a noun | 20:24 |
| russellb | sdague: doing it in openstack though? | 20:24 |
| dougwig | russellb: agree | 20:24 |
| ttx | annegentle: is that dirty ? | 20:24 |
| annegentle | nah just funny to me | 20:24 |
| annegentle | :) | 20:24 |
| sdague | russellb: ok, so is it a delay until there is a project-config import? | 20:24 |
| russellb | dougwig: but we'll have a review following up on this agreeing on some rough guideline | 20:24 |
| lifeless | thre's a weird thing | 20:24 |
| lifeless | the commit message makes me think its not open | 20:25 |
| ttx | The only original thing is the integration testing being done on Canonical infrastructure | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | I noticed the GPL mentioned here, does that present any issues since this isn't part of the actual applications? | 20:25 |
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| lifeless | " the core reviewers on | 20:25 |
| lifeless | each repository may be derived from the company developing the charm." | 20:25 |
| lifeless | maybe I'm reading that wonky | 20:25 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that also struck me as odd | 20:25 |
| lifeless | but it sounds like a company-lock-on-the-repo | 20:25 |
| lifeless | jamespage: ^ ? | 20:25 |
| sdague | oh, hey, I guess I missed that bit | 20:25 |
| russellb | "Charms are currently licensed under GPL v3." | 20:26 |
| fungi | perhaps the "may be derived from" is not definitive and merely a starting point | 20:26 |
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| ttx | How about we table it since there is nothing yet -- and ask for clarification in the mean time ? | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | russellb: yeah, that's what I meant -- is that a problem since the charm code isn't part of the applications we deliver that have to be apache 2? | 20:26 |
| lifeless | the GPL v3 is ok per our governance doc requirements - though its definitely unusual | 20:26 |
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| russellb | dhellmann: our guidelines just say we prefer apache 2 | 20:26 |
| russellb | dhellmann: just require "an open source license" | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | russellb: the bylaws are more specific, aren't they? | 20:27 |
| russellb | i'd certainly *prefer* apache 2 ... | 20:27 |
| sdague | right, so that seems fine | 20:27 |
| russellb | dhellmann: good question | 20:27 |
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| dhellmann | though those only apply to trademarked code, iiuc, which is why I pointed out this is not application code | 20:27 |
| sdague | I thought the bylaws changed on that fron | 20:27 |
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| ttx | How about we table it since there is nothing yet -- and ask for clarification in the mean time ? | 20:27 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:27 |
| lifeless | +1 on tabling, I'll raise my questions on the review | 20:27 |
| lifeless | fungi: you're likely right, but if so why mention it at all? | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | article VII in https://www.openstack.org/legal/bylaws-of-the-openstack-foundation/ | 20:27 |
| ttx | The bit on ntegration testing being done on Canonical infrastructure is also making my openness radar buzz | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | sdague: did they? | 20:28 |
| jeblair | lifeless, fungi: agreed -- likely overspecification but good to double check | 20:28 |
| lifeless | fungi: just say 'initial core reviewers will be the folk that create each charm' or something | 20:28 |
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| fungi | yep | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | 7.1.b seems to only apply to the tc-approved-release, so I think we're ok, I just wanted to get confirmation | 20:28 |
| jeblair | ttx: i wonder if there is a technical reason they can't do it upstream? | 20:28 |
| lifeless | fungi: *company* is a very odd thing here :) | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | fwiw, we asked fuel to collaborate with os-infra, we probably might want to do the same with charms. | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: third-party ci? | 20:28 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: its all part of OIL | 20:29 |
| ttx | jeblair, dhellmann: sure, I just want to make sure that's a technical reason | 20:29 |
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| jeblair | ttx: also, it is worth noting that despite being one of the earliest third-party ci operators, they've never been good about reporting upstream... | 20:29 |
| lifeless | jeblair: their proprietary 'openstack interoperability lab' that they sell testing-on-and-via to companies | 20:29 |
| jeblair | dhellmann, ttx: so i would not even assume that text means "we will report our local testing upstream" | 20:29 |
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| russellb | https://www.openstack.org/legal/bylaws-of-the-openstack-foundation/ "INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY POLICY" mentions Apache 2 quite specifically | 20:29 |
| sdague | I guess that's a good point for clarification | 20:30 |
| russellb | but i need a bit more time to parse it in pedantic mode | 20:30 |
| jeblair | lifeless: yeah, concerning. | 20:30 |
| ttx | ok, I think we have a path forward here | 20:30 |
| lifeless | jeblair: its very much bare metal based, and upstream infra have no baremetal facilities today AIUI - including baremetal routers etc | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: fair | 20:30 |
| mordred | lifeless: that may be true - but I thnk a good faith effort to come up wiht a workable infra soluiton would be nice | 20:30 |
| lifeless | jeblair: so AIUI, at least some of the charms aren't able to be exercised in a virtual environment | 20:30 |
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| ttx | #agreed Juju charms application delayed until there is something substantial in the repositories (they can be set up without being "official" now). We'll clarify other specific points in the mean time | 20:30 |
| annegentle | I was still parsing the OIL acronym | 20:30 |
| annegentle | :) | 20:30 |
| russellb | it says we distributed the "approved release" under the apache license. it also says we accept contributions with an agreemen that lets us redistribute under the apache license. | 20:31 |
| EmilienM | the least we can ask is a third party CI where all logs and access are open | 20:31 |
| lifeless | mordred: / jeblair: / fungi: has Canonical discussed that with infra? | 20:31 |
| fungi | lifeless: not to my knowledge | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | annegentle: what did you get? :-) | 20:31 |
| mordred | lifeless: no. there has never been any attempt at ocooperation | 20:31 |
| ttx | Moving on... | 20:31 |
| annegentle | OIL=OpenStack Interop Lab | 20:31 |
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| ttx | #topic CloudKitty application for Big Tent | 20:31 |
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| dhellmann | annegentle: thanks | 20:32 |
| fungi | russellb: yes, the cla may not be sane for gpl projects? | 20:32 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: I expanded it on my next line :) | 20:32 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/225201 | 20:32 |
| jeblair | annegentle: of course we have the Wide Area Testing and Experimental Reporting project | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: ah, missed that | 20:32 |
| ttx | OK, so CloudKitty. This feels rather straightforward big-tent to me | 20:32 |
| annegentle | jeblair: may they ever mix | 20:32 |
| ttx | the project has been around for a while in the OpenStack community and is even used in production somewhere | 20:32 |
| russellb | ttx: ++ | 20:32 |
| annegentle | ttx: yep agreed | 20:33 |
| ttx | objections, questions ? | 20:33 |
| ttx | I think we have the PTL around | 20:33 |
| russellb | fungi: yeah ... and it may just mean that this could never be part of the "TC approved release", which is probably fine | 20:33 |
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| sheeprine | Yes, I'm here. | 20:33 |
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| ttx | sheeprine: o/ welcome | 20:33 |
| jeblair | how could you say no to something called CloudKitty? | 20:34 |
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| ttx | one more approval and it's in | 20:34 |
| jeblair | with big eyes like that? | 20:34 |
| russellb | sheeprine: i request a cute kitten logo | 20:34 |
| ttx | jeblair: the name fails annegentle guidelines with capitalization :) | 20:34 |
| lifeless | +1 fro me on the spec | 20:34 |
| annegentle | ttx: lol oh so true | 20:34 |
| jeblair | annegentle kicks kittens! | 20:34 |
| maishsk | :) | 20:34 |
| ttx | ok, we have a winner, approving now | 20:34 |
| markmcclain | ttx: we're at 9 | 20:34 |
| russellb | welcome, cloudkitty! | 20:35 |
| russellb | meow. | 20:35 |
| annegentle | cloudkitty! | 20:35 |
| ttx | kitty kitty | 20:35 |
| annegentle | now go change the capitalization | 20:35 |
| sheeprine | thanks | 20:35 |
| * dhellmann wants a mascot sticker at the summit | 20:35 | |
| sheeprine | I'll work on the capitalization. | 20:35 |
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| russellb | after you make stickers | 20:35 |
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| ttx | #topic Remove MagnetoDB from OpenStack | 20:35 |
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| sheeprine | We've got stickers and more for the summit ;) | 20:35 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/224743 | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | sheeprine: \o/ | 20:35 |
| ttx | We discussed this one last week | 20:36 |
| ttx | There is general agreement that we should remove MagnetoDB, we just disagreed on how to encode that in the governance repository | 20:36 |
| ttx | Not much progress or proposals on the review this week | 20:36 |
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| ttx | Should we just have a retired-teams.yaml and move the entries there, with some timestamp to account for expiration of entries after the ATC delay ? | 20:36 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 20:36 |
| russellb | it'd be good book keeping, i think | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | ++ it fits with the rest of our dont-delete-history | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | I'll propose that if folks want | 20:36 |
| sdague | retired-teams.yaml sounds good to me | 20:36 |
| russellb | dhellmann: thanks! | 20:36 |
| ttx | +1 | 20:37 |
| ttx | if you do it while we continue the meeting we could even approve it :) | 20:37 |
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| sdague | or projects-emeritus.yaml :) | 20:37 |
| jeblair | i mean, i'd love it if git were the history, but i'm okay with retired-teams until our schema stabilizes | 20:37 |
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| annegentle | attic? /me stops naming things | 20:37 |
| ttx | jeblair: yeah, that was my original thinking, but people got worried | 20:38 |
| jeblair | (to bikeshed, it really ought to have a name relation to projects.yaml though) | 20:38 |
| annegentle | I mean, do we still move code to the attic if a team retires? | 20:38 |
| russellb | the worry was about tooling around calculating ATC status wasn't it? | 20:38 |
| russellb | not sure it's a real problem in this case | 20:38 |
| ttx | ok, let's move on while dhellmann types, and come back to it in a few | 20:38 |
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| russellb | but could be eventually *shrug* | 20:38 |
| jeblair | russellb: yep | 20:38 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project track at Mitaka design summit: status update | 20:38 |
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| ttx | Flavio set October 9th for the deadline to propose things at http://odsreg.openstack.org/ | 20:38 |
| sdague | right, in this case it potentially impacted 1 atc, but I could imagine there being more | 20:38 |
| ttx | We have 17 proposals there, not sure if all the etherpad was copied or not | 20:39 |
| ttx | Ideally the cross-project workgroup volunteers would do the heavy lifting between the 9th and the 13th, so that we have somethign to discuss and approve at the Oct 13th TC meeting | 20:39 |
| ttx | And move to scheduling quickly afterwards | 20:39 |
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| ttx | Does that sound like a plan ? Probably means a quick meeting on the Monday | 20:39 |
| ttx | of the cross-project track volunteers | 20:39 |
| sdague | damn you flaper87 for closing it on a friday instead of a thursday | 20:40 |
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| ttx | sdague: I know, right | 20:40 |
| anteaya | dates are important | 20:40 |
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| sdague | I think more importantly, are there topics we feel need to be addressed that aren't getting proposed | 20:40 |
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| lifeless | I can do monday | 20:41 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: updated | 20:41 |
| lifeless | sdague: ITYM wednesday, since a meeting on your friday is my saturday :) | 20:41 |
| sdague | :) | 20:41 |
| ttx | everyone: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224743/ | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | I'm happy to bikeshed the "retired-on" field in a separate patch | 20:42 |
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| ttx | we'll go back to topic brainstorming at the end of the meeting in Open Discussion. We can also interpret the bylaws on GPLv3 then | 20:42 |
| ttx | one more... | 20:43 |
| sdague | it seems like a good time for every TC member to put their nickle down on a cross project issue they feel is getting neglected | 20:43 |
| ttx | sdague: I filed one but I'll definitely give it another thought session | 20:43 |
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| ttx | ok, 7 votes, I can approve the MagnetoDB removal | 20:44 |
| ttx | last call | 20:44 |
| lifeless | sec | 20:44 |
| lifeless | there | 20:44 |
| fungi | i'll go ahead and force-merge the related retirement change in project-config | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi: that was the patch to delete all the code? | 20:45 |
| fungi | yep. and i'll also abandon open changes | 20:45 |
| fungi | we have some infra documentation (maybe already merged?) on returing repos now | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | ok. I was a little surprised by that, but I guess it makes sense | 20:45 |
| fungi | retiring too | 20:45 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: we have had users not realize that they are using abandoned projects, so we are striving to make it more clear | 20:46 |
| ttx | ok done | 20:46 |
| annegentle | fungi: thanks for that | 20:46 |
| ttx | #topic Communications workgroup report | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair: this is certainly one way to do that :-) | 20:46 |
| ttx | annegentle: anything to report ? | 20:46 |
| annegentle | blog post done last week, have to admit I had missed 2 from the prior 2 weeks ago so it was chockful of info :) | 20:46 |
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| annegentle | do you think we should do one flaper87 to get cross-project summit proposals by 10/9? | 20:47 |
| jeblair | annegentle: that sounds like a good idea | 20:47 |
| ttx | that wouldn't hurt. But could wait next week meeting maybe | 20:47 |
| sdague | it seems like getting one out this week to beat that drum would be good | 20:47 |
| annegentle | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/09/technical-committee-highlights-september-25-2015/ | 20:47 |
| sdague | given that this friday is the 2nd | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:48 |
| annegentle | let's see the 9th is next Friday... hm | 20:48 |
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| annegentle | We did mention it at the end of that post ^^ | 20:48 |
| annegentle | so we're probably covered | 20:48 |
| ttx | ok, then maybe wait and do a last reminder one next week ? | 20:48 |
| ttx | with things approved today and next week ? | 20:48 |
| annegentle | or tweet tweet? | 20:49 |
| annegentle | where's my partner in crime flaper87? :) | 20:49 |
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| annegentle | I can see blogging by next Wed. | 20:50 |
| ttx | we might raise a thread on the ML around TC candidates too | 20:50 |
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| ttx | ok, moving to open discussion since we are talkign about everything at the same time now | 20:50 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:50 |
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| ttx | Everyone: Tomorrow is the last day to submit your TC candidacy if you're interested in joining us | 20:50 |
| ttx | Also there will be a joint TC/Board meeting in Tokyo on the Monday, starting at 2:30pm | 20:50 |
| ttx | At 4:30pm we'll be joining the "Women of OpenStack networking event" (4:30pm - 7:30pm) | 20:50 |
| ttx | mark your calendars if you're a member of running for election | 20:51 |
| Piet | At some point, we need to chat about how surveys are distributed in the community. Not sure if this is the forum. | 20:51 |
| ttx | Piet: probably not. We don't do surveys. | 20:51 |
| Piet | ttx: k | 20:51 |
| lifeless | ttx: I was going to do one on the devs | 20:51 |
| lifeless | ttx: but I ran out of steam - there was lots of interest in it though | 20:52 |
| ttx | lifeless: about terminal width ? | 20:52 |
| lifeless | ttx: hah, no. I'll dig up a thread pointer for you | 20:52 |
| lifeless | ttx: but - I was thinking that the foundation which already runs e.g. the user survey might be a good body to coordinate such things | 20:52 |
| lifeless | ttx: do you know anyone there to chat with about that? | 20:52 |
| annegentle | Piet: cross-project meeting though sounds right | 20:52 |
| russellb | let's ask about editor preferences too | 20:52 |
| lifeless | russellb: so actually that was one of the questions I was going to ask | 20:53 |
| ttx | lifeless: I can relay the concerns to staff if we voice them | 20:53 |
| lifeless | russellb: to put the .gitignore questions to bed | 20:53 |
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| russellb | but only have "vim" as a choice | 20:53 |
| lifeless | ttx: so - the question is, is there someone at the foundation with the time to run a developer survey, if we put the questions together ? | 20:53 |
| markmcclain | russellb: vim and "other" I like it | 20:53 |
| ttx | in Piet's case maybe the "openstack-foundation" ML is the right forum | 20:53 |
| Piet | annegentle: sounds good. I want to make sure that we are able to be responsive to the project teams. Adding a few questions to a bi-annual survey may not get us there. | 20:53 |
| ttx | since most surveys are coming from the Foundation surveymonkey account | 20:54 |
| annegentle | Piet: ttx is also right, surveys through Foundation | 20:54 |
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| anteaya | well part of it is that Piet doesn't have access to the fondation survey data | 20:54 |
| anteaya | and would like to have some data | 20:54 |
| Piet | annegentle: I'm pushing back on that assumption | 20:54 |
| anteaya | if I understand correctly Piet | 20:54 |
| * ttx looks at Foundation bylaws and GPLv3 | 20:54 | |
| lifeless | for clarity, Piet and I are talking totally different things :) | 20:55 |
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| sdague | yeh, so I swore there was something in Atlanta about it just needing to be open source | 20:55 |
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| sdague | however, I can't find it anywhere now | 20:55 |
| Piet | We generally try to focus on small samples, but occasionally need to do surveys | 20:55 |
| russellb | ttx: Article 7.1 in particular | 20:55 |
| annegentle | Piet: lifeless: yes still sounds like surveys are cross-project and Foundation areas | 20:55 |
| sdague | so maybe GPLv3 is a blocker | 20:55 |
| Piet | And the foundation has not provided raw data | 20:56 |
| annegentle | not something the TC mediates | 20:56 |
| ttx | looks like a question for foundation legal | 20:56 |
| russellb | 7.1 (b) sayd "TC approved release", so it would at a minimum mean something non-apache2 could never be in TC approved release | 20:56 |
| lifeless | annegentle: so openstack-foundation is the place to ask ? | 20:56 |
| russellb | 7.1 (a) is much less clear though | 20:56 |
| russellb | ttx: ++ | 20:56 |
| sdague | right, in the TC approved release, that seems fine | 20:56 |
| ttx | russellb: yeah, b is clear, a is lawyerese | 20:56 |
| annegentle | lifeless: for your Q I would log a ticket in their system or ask directly on the openstack-foundation list | 20:57 |
| sdague | but aren't there things in openstack-infra that are not apache2? | 20:57 |
| ttx | "may adopt additional contributor license agreements as may be appropriate for certain organizations or contributions to secure a license on terms which will permit distribution under the Apache License 2.0" seriously | 20:57 |
| russellb | yeahhhh | 20:57 |
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| russellb | "we use a cla, and whatever else want to ensure we can distribute under apache 2" | 20:57 |
| russellb | i think.. | 20:57 |
| clarkb | sdague: I don't think so | 20:57 |
| sdague | right, which is the whole CLA trump the world thing | 20:57 |
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| jeblair | sdague, russellb: i believe we have heard from the foundation's lawyer that things outside the release are gpl-okay | 20:57 |
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| sdague | speaking of which, have we heard recently about board / tc meeting agenda | 20:58 |
| sdague | and the CLA vs. DCO thing | 20:58 |
| russellb | this needs to be added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ | 20:58 |
| ttx | sdague: I'm taking up suggestions for the BoD/TC meeting agenda :) | 20:58 |
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| lifeless | annegentle: 'their system' ? | 20:58 |
| sdague | because I believe the last email statement around that was it would be voted on in Tokyo | 20:58 |
| jeblair | ttx: it should be a standing agenda item :( | 20:58 |
| sdague | ttx: ok, that's my first suggestion | 20:58 |
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| dhellmann | jeblair: ++ | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ++ | 20:59 |
| annegentle | lifeless: they have a ticketing system for support requests, sorry I can't recall the email address. I use it for logo@openstack for example | 20:59 |
| jeblair | sdague: agreed, that is my expectation | 20:59 |
| ttx | I have no idea what the agenda of the Board part of the meeting is. Maybe mordred or russellb know | 20:59 |
| annegentle | lifeless: might be info@openstack? | 20:59 |
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| russellb | no updates re: DCO | 20:59 |
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| sdague | o_O | 20:59 |
| russellb | no updates available to me anyway | 20:59 |
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| sdague | russellb / mordred could you push on that? | 20:59 |
| russellb | legal affairs committee kind of blocked it | 20:59 |
| russellb | and insisted they needed a private lawyer only meeting to move forward | 20:59 |
| cpallares | ttx: o/ | 20:59 |
| jeblair | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/26Oct2015BoardMeeting | 21:00 |
| russellb | in between last meeting and next one (tokyo) | 21:00 |
| ttx | cpallares: o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | but i don't know if that has happened ... | 21:00 |
| jeblair | no agenda listed yet | 21:00 |
| jeblair | or, very little of one | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | russellb: really? disappointing | 21:00 |
| ttx | ok, we are running out of time | 21:00 |
| sdague | because, I'll be honest, if this isn't getting a floor vote in Tokyo, I'm not really sure why the TC is going to the board meeting | 21:00 |
| cpallares | ttx: Can we discuss CoC next week? | 21:00 |
| ttx | russellb, mordred: could you get an updated status on that ? | 21:00 |
| russellb | sdague: i'm going into it expecting a vote | 21:00 |
| cpallares | ttx: Should I come back for the next open discussion? | 21:00 |
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| mordred | ttx: can try | 21:00 |
| sdague | as we've been asking about this for 3 cycles now | 21:00 |
| ttx | cpallares: yes please | 21:00 |
| russellb | that's what we left the last meeting with ... | 21:01 |
| sdague | russellb: ok | 21:01 |
| * mordred agrees with russellb | 21:01 | |
| russellb | "let people get any last questions answered now, and we vote in tokyo" | 21:01 |
| ttx | ok time is up | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 21:01:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-29-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-29-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-09-29-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| anteaya | russellb: the last foundation meeting? | 21:01 |
| russellb | anteaya: yes | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 29 21:01:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| anteaya | russellb: thankyou | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:01 |
| ttx | sdague: agree that it's not the board top priority. | 21:01 |
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| jokke_ | courtesy ping for david-lyle flaper87 dims dtroyer johnthetubaguy rakhmerov | 21:01 |
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| jokke_ | courtesy ping for smelikyan morganfainberg adrian_otto bswartz slagle | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | courtesy ping for adrian_otto mestery kiall jeblair thinrichs j^2 stevebaker | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | courtesy ping for mtreinish Daisy Piet notmyname ttx isviridov gordc SlickNik | 21:01 |
| jokke_ | courtesy ping for cloudnull loquacities thingee hyakuhei redrobot dirk TravT | 21:01 |
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| jokke_ | courtesy ping for vipul lifeless annegentle SergeyLukjanov devananda boris-42 nikhil_k | 21:02 |
| notmyname | here | 21:02 |
| j^2 | o/ | 21:02 |
| morgan | stevemar, ^ | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:02 |
| jroll | \o | 21:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 21:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 21:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:02 |
| * morgan has delegated PTL things to stevemar where at all possible. but is lurking | 21:02 | |
| * fungi wants a discourteous ping | 21:02 | |
| gordc | o/ | 21:02 |
| devananda | ping for jroll too | 21:02 |
| jokke_ | Good evening Ladies and Gentleman ... This is cross Project Weekly Meeting and I will be your host tonight ;) | 21:02 |
| jeblair | jokke_: should probably go ahead and s/jeblair/fungi/ in the pingy thingy | 21:02 |
| devananda | also, my battery may die any minute :( | 21:02 |
| docaedo | o/ | 21:02 |
| fungi | pingy thingy! | 21:02 |
| xarses | \o | 21:02 |
| morgan | fungi OMG PING SHEESH (better?) | 21:02 |
| jroll | devananda: double \o then! | 21:02 |
| morgan | fungi ;) | 21:02 |
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| fungi | morgan: much | 21:02 |
| elmiko | o/ | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | also s/stevebaker/skraynev/ | 21:02 |
| jroll | fungi: I prefer "annoying loud ping for..." | 21:02 |
| jokke_ | #topic Review of past action items | 21:02 |
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| fungi | hah | 21:02 |
| lifeless | o/ | 21:03 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 21:03 |
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| jokke_ | ttx: only action item was for you last week around the deprecation communications | 21:03 |
| skraynev_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| ttx | I did communicate | 21:03 |
| * ttx picks up link | 21:03 | |
| jokke_ | ttx: you have anything else around that or do we just move on? | 21:04 |
| * Rockyg slaps a lurking creep | 21:04 | |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075608.html | 21:04 |
| bknudson | is there a quick summary of the deprecation policy we should follow? | 21:04 |
| ttx | jokke_: nope I'm done | 21:04 |
| edleafe | ouch! | 21:04 |
| ttx | bknudson: you don't have to follow it | 21:04 |
| jokke_ | ttx: thanks | 21:04 |
| ttx | bknudson: you can opt to declare that you will follow it. | 21:05 |
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| ttx | and by you I mean a project team | 21:05 |
| bknudson | I follow it | 21:05 |
| bknudson | oh | 21:05 |
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| ttx | it's about setting expectations downstream | 21:05 |
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| ttx | anyway, moving on, feel free to hiut me with questions about it | 21:06 |
| ttx | hit* | 21:06 |
| jokke_ | ttx: has that been communicated towards downstream some other ways that the e-mail thread you posted? | 21:06 |
| * loquacities is here, running late sorry | 21:06 | |
| jokke_ | #topic Team announcements (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) | 21:06 |
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| stevemar | diagonal eh | 21:07 |
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| ttx | jokke_: it will be once enough projects asserted it | 21:07 |
| ttx | On the release management front, we have only *2 weeks* before the end of the liberty dev cycle | 21:07 |
| jokke_ | ttx: want to continue right away and give us latest from release? | 21:07 |
| jokke_ | ttx: thnx | 21:07 |
| ttx | We have release candidates for all projects except Swift (ETA end of week) | 21:07 |
| ttx | We'll have a number of RC respins to include updated translations next week | 21:07 |
| ttx | We just branched the requirements stable/liberty branch, so we are no longer freezing requirements master branch. | 21:08 |
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| ttx | so all is progressing nicely so far | 21:08 |
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| ttx | we haven't broken anything yet | 21:08 |
| stevemar | ttx: we will probably have rc2 for keystone | 21:08 |
| jokke_ | gr8 | 21:08 |
| bknudson | are we capping reqs in stable/liberty | 21:08 |
| stevemar | sometime next week | 21:08 |
| ttx | As usual, if you have a red flag, come bring it in #openstack-relmgr-office. We collect them | 21:08 |
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| clarkb | bknudson: no, the constraints file should handle that instead | 21:08 |
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| bknudson | nice. | 21:09 |
| skraynev_ | ttx: when will be window for rc2 ? | 21:09 |
| ttx | stevemar: we can sync it with the translations last import | 21:09 |
| stevemar | yup | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | ttx: dims and mtreinish suggested branching grenade and devstack before making any more requirements changes | 21:09 |
| ttx | skraynev_: depends on the case. The RC respins for translations will be all done by Thursday next week | 21:09 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:09 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: well I should rephrase, we should do that except for where I proposed the reqs changes | 21:10 |
| ttx | It's geenrally a good thing to have nothing on the last week | 21:10 |
| mtreinish | because I'm impatient | 21:10 |
| skraynev_ | ttx: got it. thx | 21:10 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish: some patches are more equal than others? :-) | 21:10 |
| ttx | frees up time to handle crisis things | 21:10 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: we also need to add in the new grenade branch stuff and apply liberty jobs to the branchless repos (like tempest) | 21:10 |
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| jokke_ | jungleboyj: did you have something around the release or announcement to make? | 21:10 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: is that something that QA wants to hanlde or should infra just go through and do it (note it should be almost identical to last cycles changes) | 21:11 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: yeah, that goes hand in hand with doing all the branching stuff | 21:11 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: either or, we'll be working on it together anyway | 21:11 |
| clarkb | ok just let me know what I can help and we go from there | 21:11 |
| fungi | i would be thrilled if qa tackles the job config changes for it, but am happy to assist | 21:11 |
| mtreinish | there are changes on both sides that needs to happen | 21:11 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I think I did them for liberty | 21:11 |
| mtreinish | the tempest ones at least | 21:12 |
| fungi | okay, great | 21:12 |
| jungleboyj | jokke_: No, just running late. Sorry. | 21:12 |
| jokke_ | jungleboyj: ah, welcome | 21:12 |
| mtreinish | err s/libery/kilo it's all the same anyway | 21:12 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets move on | 21:12 |
| jokke_ | #topic Service Catalog Standardization | 21:13 |
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| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/181393 | 21:13 |
| stevemar | ohhh nice | 21:13 |
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| jokke_ | annegentle: stage is yours | 21:14 |
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| morgan | stevemar (this is why you needed to be here) | 21:14 |
| stevemar | sdague and i had a nice chat about this topic in the morning ^ | 21:14 |
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| jokke_ | sdague: you wanna take this instead? | 21:15 |
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| stevemar | jokke_: we wrote some ideas here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-service-catalog | 21:15 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-service-catalog | 21:16 |
| jokke_ | stevemar: thnx for that | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | that looks like two highlighter markers got into a fight | 21:16 |
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| stevemar | basically we want to fix up for service catalog, theres a lot of weirdness in it | 21:16 |
| morgan | dhellmann: hehehe | 21:16 |
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| bknudson | we have a spec and an etherpad? Are these the same thing? | 21:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson: there is a spec | 21:17 |
| stevemar | it's 1 link up | 21:17 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/ you've reviewed it | 21:17 |
| bknudson | is the etherpad going to wind up in the spec? | 21:17 |
| morgan | bknudson: etherpad is more general brainstorm on what needs to happen, spec is moving towards finalized "plan" | 21:17 |
| bknudson | they look different | 21:17 |
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| morgan | bknudson: afaik | 21:17 |
| stevemar | bknudson: probably, we're just writing out ideas | 21:17 |
| stevemar | morgan: ++ | 21:18 |
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| jokke_ | stevemar: yes that was the question, so are these two competing, completing each other or why two different mediums? | 21:18 |
| stevemar | jokke_: no, etherpad was just a brain storm, sorry if it's causing confusion | 21:18 |
| jokke_ | ok thnx | 21:18 |
| bknudson | ok... not sure why I was reviewing the spec then. | 21:19 |
| bknudson | seems like we haven't decided what we're going to do so maybe the spec needs to start over again. | 21:19 |
| stevemar | i think the pain point of the spec is that its really hard for application developers to trust what's in the service catalog | 21:19 |
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| jokke_ | so the spec had 2x +2 there already today, seems that we got new version of this since | 21:20 |
| lifeless | Am I looking in the wrong place for the agenda? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting#Proposed_agenda doesn't mention the service catalog | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: there was an email | 21:20 |
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| lifeless | [I mean, its good to talk about it, but ECONFUSED] | 21:20 |
| jroll | lifeless: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075731.html | 21:20 |
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| jokke_ | lifeless: that's my mistake ... I did send the agenda out and forgot to save the wiki change I did for these :( | 21:21 |
| lifeless | jokke_: ah, that makes more sense. No worries. | 21:21 |
| jokke_ | all: sorry for that | 21:21 |
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| stevemar | lifeless: not like there is much on the agenda :) | 21:21 |
| lifeless | stevemar: yes, but more than the wiki said :) | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: note your spec is up next :-) | 21:22 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: indeed; I was looking to see if it was ... | 21:22 |
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| lifeless | back to the catalog - sorry for the distraction | 21:22 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: is this spec ready for final approval, or does it need more work? | 21:23 |
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| xarses | what about returning multiple endpoints so client's don't require a LB? | 21:23 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: that was actually my question as well ... this morning there was 2x +2 but it seems that we have new version | 21:24 |
| jokke_ | and there is still full brainstorming going on | 21:24 |
| xarses | also token containing the catalog causes alot of size problems in production | 21:24 |
| stevemar | xarses: yup! | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | xarses: see line 14 of the etherpad | 21:24 |
| * ttx reapplies +2 | 21:24 | |
| jokke_ | and apparently the e-mail did not reach either annegentle nor sdague :( | 21:24 |
| bknudson | keystone supports ?nocatalog | 21:24 |
| bknudson | when getting the token | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: ETOOMANYMEETINGS | 21:24 |
| stevemar | bknudson: we need a way to get the catalog without authenticating | 21:24 |
| xarses | dhellmann: ya, I see 14, but that doesn't resolve getting it out of the token | 21:25 |
| bknudson | with endpoint filtering you need the scope so that requires authenticating | 21:25 |
| jokke_ | so should we leave this for now and move to the next one? | 21:25 |
| stevemar | bknudson: we only *need* to authenticate because there are silly tenant IDs in some URLs in the catalog | 21:25 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: +++ | 21:25 |
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| ttx | jokke_: yeah, bad timing | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | ok, moving on | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | #topic Backwards compatibility for clients and libraries | 21:26 |
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| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/226157 | 21:26 |
| jokke_ | lifeless: you're up! | 21:26 |
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| lifeless | oh hai | 21:28 |
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| lifeless | so there's a couple of intertwined things here | 21:28 |
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| lifeless | one is raising the bar slightly on our backwards compat story for both api clients and libraries | 21:28 |
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| lifeless | for clients we already promise it but we don't test it | 21:28 |
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| lifeless | for libraries we haven't really made a promise | 21:29 |
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| lifeless | (and I think we need to) | 21:29 |
| lifeless | the second thing is that we have branches of all these things | 21:29 |
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| lifeless | and it makes consuming them harder - and if we're properly testing our backwards compat story, we may well not need them | 21:29 |
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| lifeless | its possible that they could be two specs, but I spent a bit of time poking at making them separate proposals and it didn't really work for me | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | we started making branches because the backwards compatibility testing was hindering our forward progress as we rolled forward with dependencies and new features | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | at least, that was part of it | 21:30 |
| bknudson | we're planning to do a keystoneclient 2.0 that removes deprecated stuff | 21:31 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: so we have to do multi-step dances on all changes anyway | 21:31 |
| lifeless | bknudson: sure, thats fine - my proposal specifically permits tht | 21:31 |
| jokke_ | dhellmann: correct me if I'm wrong but that started just around release of kilo anyways | 21:31 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: lifeless right we were testing this stuff until everyone revolted and said making the tests work was too hard | 21:31 |
| jokke_ | Is there something fundamentally broken around that approach? | 21:31 |
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| annegentle | jokke_: I'm sorry, I didn't see the email re: service catalog and multi-tasking meetings today | 21:32 |
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| lifeless | clarkb: It was my understanding we kept having gates break because we had cross-version asymmetry in play | 21:32 |
| jroll | clarkb: yeah, it seems like this spec sets out to fix the 'too hard' part of this, it mostly deals with how to test things and handle dependencies | 21:32 |
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| jroll | (imho) | 21:32 |
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| clarkb | jroll: lifeless I fully expect that the first time kilo fails a change to novaclient that is required to make M do something there will be another revolt | 21:33 |
| jroll | heh | 21:33 |
| fungi | a huge trigger for the branch-everywhere change was as an upshot of pinning all requirements in stable branches | 21:33 |
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| clarkb | the underlying reason why things fail isn't important, devs generally don't care about the old version and get cranky | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: it's even more likely to happen with an oslo library | 21:33 |
| lifeless | clarkb: so this can only apply from liberty up | 21:33 |
| clarkb | lifeless: sure but you are ignoring the mindset at play here | 21:34 |
| clarkb | lifeless: yes we ran into problems with deps | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: that just punts the revolt down the calendar to mitaka | 21:34 |
| clarkb | But any fails will have the same problems | 21:34 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: sure - but thats why this needs discussion | 21:34 |
| lifeless | I don't want it to be '5 folk agreed, lets do it' | 21:34 |
| fungi | if we _aren't_ pinning requirements any longer and can somehow keep the supported versions compatible between branches then we can potentially stop branching within those libraries | 21:34 |
| lifeless | I want -buy- in | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: sure. I'm discussing why I think this is something we don't want to do. :-) | 21:34 |
| jokke_ | this is actually quite relevant topic for us in Glance as we just had a huge "fight" around our glanceclient 1.0.0 release and if we should make the client mimic v1 API functionality on top of v2 API as much as we can | 21:34 |
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| bknudson | we actually used to have tests in keystone that cloned old tags of keystoneclient and ran tests with it. | 21:34 |
| lifeless | bknudson: right, so this is a generalised form of that | 21:35 |
| lifeless | bknudson: did they add value ? | 21:35 |
| bknudson | I will say the tests found problems. | 21:35 |
| clarkb | bknudson: keystoneclient also had tests that ran against the ld devstack clouds | 21:35 |
| * edleafe has to run - catch up with the logs later | 21:35 | |
| morgan | lifeless: they did add some value, they caused a lot of issues | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | what's the impact for the test matrix on a project like oslo.config, which is used in so many places? | 21:35 |
| clarkb | IIRC jogo added those in around icehouse? | 21:35 |
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| ttx | There was also a *lot* of pressure to get security fixes backports from distros, so they liked having stable branches there | 21:35 |
| morgan | lifeless: but it did help limit regressions in keystoneclient/server | 21:35 |
| bknudson | the git clone when doing tox caused issues. | 21:35 |
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| lifeless | bknudson: right, this wont' have that issue because its zuul-integrated | 21:36 |
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| fungi | though in fairness to the distros' desires to add stable branches for libraries, that wasn't actually the main reason we ended up doing it. they'll just be disappointed if we take it back away from them | 21:36 |
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| bknudson | lifeless: I think this will be useful then and will likely find issues where we're not backwards compatible. | 21:36 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: 'Changes to clients/libraries should run:' in the spec: - we'd run changes to oslo.config against each server branch | 21:36 |
| ttx | fungi: right, that was my point in the review | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: right, how many new jobs is that? | 21:36 |
| ttx | fungi: I'm fine screwing the distros up, but it needs to be spelled out as a consequence of the change | 21:37 |
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| jokke_ | dhellmann, lifeless: and od we have resources to run those jobs? | 21:37 |
| ttx | they should see it coming so that we can properly assess the cost/benefit model of that spec | 21:37 |
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| dhellmann | jokke_: that's a good point, too | 21:37 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: we currently support 2 server branches; if the stable release team keep that constant - 2x the dvsm jobs of oslo.config + 2x again [if we do the *full* matrix] | 21:38 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: one 2x is the 'upper-constraints + modification' | 21:38 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: and one 2x is the 'upgrade only oslo.config' case | 21:38 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: the 2x is because master + -1 + -2 == 3 | 21:38 |
| jokke_ | lifeless: so would oslo.config be the only special cupcake to get this? | 21:39 |
| bknudson | the keystone test would test with ksc 1.0 and ksc 1.x and ksc diable and latest, something like that. It was strange. | 21:39 |
| bknudson | diablo | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | ok, it looks like we might have more issues with libraries that run more gate jobs then, and oslo.config only runs one dsvm job today | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | tooz and oslo.messaging are probably better examples of where we would add lots of new test jobs | 21:39 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: one per branch is probably sufficient | 21:39 |
| ttx | (don't get me wrong, I think the single release channel is a lot saner for developers than the stable branch model, but I wonder about our users) | 21:39 |
| clarkb | since using postgres or mysql isn;t going to make a difference for oslo.config | 21:39 |
| clarkb | (but oslo.db would want both) | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: oslo.messaging runs 6 dsvm jobs now | 21:40 |
| lifeless | clarkb: two per branch - one for just-the-change and one for all-the-latest-including-the-change | 21:40 |
| ttx | (distros being a user) | 21:40 |
| clarkb | lifeless: all the latest what? | 21:40 |
| lifeless | clarkb: though we can discuss whether both of those are truely needed or not | 21:40 |
| lifeless | clarkb: see lines 218 and 223 of the spec | 21:40 |
| clarkb | it would be jobs today + jobs today against liberty instead | 21:40 |
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| dhellmann | I'll just state for the record that I'm opposed to this in principle, because I think it is going to make development of libraries even more difficult than it is now, and discourage contributions in areas where we should be encouraging them. | 21:40 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: are you also opposed to backwards compatibility? | 21:41 |
| jokke_ | ttx: I might be the exception to make the rule, but I was really happy to see the libs moving to stable branching as well ... yes it brings overhead, but it made the developer life so much easier with the hope that every changed thing would not break downstream | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: I would not be opposed to individual projects deciding to take this on. I am opposed to making it a blanket thing. | 21:41 |
| lifeless | jokke_: how does it make developer life easier ? A break is a break, whether it happens on the next release or in 6 months... | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: and I don't think backwards compatibility is as important for most of our libs -- clients may be the exception | 21:42 |
| bknudson | the problem distros have with picking up newer releases of the libs is when the dependencies change | 21:42 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: is oslo a single project or many, for this? | 21:42 |
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| bknudson | now you have to upgrade a bunch of other packages along with keystoneclient (for example) | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: I would look at it case by case | 21:42 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: so I drill down a bit into the problems - right now the distros can't take our releases incrementally | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | lib by lib | 21:42 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: at all | 21:42 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: the whole lot wedges into a big morass, and the disaggrating of servers won't be picked up in any meaningful way until we fix this | 21:43 |
| jroll | I think maybe we need to take this in baby steps - we don't even test client master vs stable servers, let alone every library in openstack | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | jroll: true | 21:43 |
| lifeless | bknudson: right - so the thrust of this proposal is to make that cascade safe (not to remove it) | 21:44 |
| lifeless | jroll: I'd like to do that but you have to start at the edge of the matrix | 21:44 |
| lifeless | jroll: our clients use libraries | 21:44 |
| lifeless | jroll: if those libraries are branched, then the clients are tied to those branches | 21:44 |
| jroll | lifeless: ignoring the all-in-one server thing that makes a mess of dependencies | 21:44 |
| jokke_ | lifeless: I way rather see the backwards incompatible changes coming in future and have time to deal with them than being stuck with past bad decisions ... this is really more towards the libs than clients, but just more ... also no-one pays attention of the versioning and if it brings backwards incompatible changes or not as seen with glanceclient | 21:44 |
| jroll | lifeless: thinking of a user running the latest novaclient against nova juno, for instance | 21:44 |
| bknudson | this seems to also require upping the major release number when the deps change | 21:45 |
| ttx | For the record, I'll starte that I'm not opposed to this in principle. I just think it's a major change that we need to analyze well before starting it, and look at all the hidden costs (upstream & downstream cost) before making a decision | 21:45 |
| lifeless | bknudson: I don't think so | 21:45 |
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| lifeless | jroll: so yes, and python-novaclient depends on python-keystoneclient | 21:45 |
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| lifeless | jroll: and oslo.i18n, serualization, utils | 21:46 |
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| jokke_ | lifeless: and the branching makes possible to backport critical/security fixes way more flexible manner than just version locks does for our stable servers | 21:46 |
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| lifeless | jroll: so for distros to consume a newer python-novaclient, they need to know that those dependency changes won't break servers that install the same packages | 21:46 |
| jroll | lifeless: that's not what I'm talking about at all | 21:46 |
| lifeless | jroll: ok | 21:46 |
| lifeless | jroll: help me understand ? | 21:46 |
| jroll | lifeless: I'm talking about taking a brand new machine, pip install novaclient, nova boot (against some older nova server) | 21:47 |
| jroll | we don't even test that | 21:47 |
| jroll | let alone the implications of doing this on a machine with all of openstack installed | 21:47 |
| lifeless | jroll: ok - so yes, and I mention that in the spec | 21:47 |
| jokke_ | jroll: add to your earlier we do not even test lib masters agains our service master, that would be nice before we even talk about testing them against service stables | 21:47 |
| ttx | i.e. not serverside libs but clientside libs | 21:47 |
| lifeless | jroll: we would get that testing with this spec | 21:47 |
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| ttx | even if we currently use python*client libs for both. | 21:47 |
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| lifeless | jroll: assuming there are such tests, but as jokke_ mentions, our client testing is actually very sparse right now | 21:48 |
| lifeless | jroll: most if it happens defacto via the servers using the libs to talk to each other | 21:48 |
| jroll | lifeless: ok, I need to read deeper. I just think that this is way down the road from where we are now, and we should go one step at a time | 21:48 |
| fungi | yeah, the limited amount of client testing we used to get with tempest backwards-compat jobs was nearly nonexistent (other than testing coinstallability). the hope was that as clients began adding their own functional test suites they could run them against varying devstack branches | 21:49 |
| jokke_ | lifeless: with the clients, do you mean that our client needs to be backwards compatible with old servers or that our client api/cli needs to be backwards comaptible with previous versions or both? | 21:49 |
| lifeless | jroll: If we agree that its a place to head to, then I'm delighted and happy to work on making a first step thing | 21:49 |
| jroll | nod | 21:49 |
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| lifeless | jroll: I've not figured out anything sane so far | 21:49 |
| jroll | lifeless: I'm good with the general idea, with the caveat that it might take a year or two to get there, and there's lots more to think about :) | 21:49 |
| lifeless | jokke_: so on security backports - we need to backport things because distros can't consume newer releases. | 21:50 |
| lifeless | jokke_: its a self-created problem in a lot of ways | 21:50 |
| * jroll realizes this is a super hard problem | 21:50 | |
| lifeless | jokke_: (again, look at firefox and chromium - no stable branches, just roll forward) | 21:50 |
| ttx | lifeless: can't, or don't want to ? | 21:50 |
| lifeless | ttx: today - can't | 21:51 |
| lifeless | ttx: because we're not committed to backwards compat through the stack | 21:51 |
| lifeless | ttx: upgrading python-novaclient to get a security fix means upgrading multiple oslo libraries | 21:52 |
| lifeless | ttx: and keystoneclinet | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | ttx: and the oslo libraries may have backwards incompatible changes | 21:52 |
| jokke_ | lifeless: but the problem starts with most of the 3rd party libs our libs and clients consume are not that either | 21:52 |
| ttx | lifeless: firefox is teh exception rather than the rule though, it had to apply for a SRU exception | 21:52 |
| lifeless | ttx: which forces an upgrade of the servers | 21:52 |
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| jokke_ | and that has been breaking us all the time | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | ttx: so if Ubuntu *wanted* to take latest novaclient, it can't because the servers are a Big Deal to upgrade | 21:52 |
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| ttx | I don't think if we had aweosme backward compatibility that they would roll forward using featureful SRUs | 21:53 |
| lifeless | jokke_: constraints has locked that down so we're not subject to those whims anymore | 21:53 |
| ttx | those are quite a pain to test | 21:53 |
| jokke_ | lifeless: ref firefox and chromium, which way we should be backwards compatible ... towards the consumer or towards our services? | 21:53 |
| lifeless | ttx: it would be 'won't' rather than 'can't' at that point | 21:53 |
| jroll | imho, if we can actually do this, it's a huge win in the end, for both devs and deployers. it's just a super-not-fun path to get there, and we need to think about what that path is. | 21:53 |
| lifeless | ttx: right now its can't :) | 21:53 |
| ttx | lifeless: right | 21:53 |
| jokke_ | because I see firefox for example changing the user interface all the time and that's deifnitely not backwards comaptible | 21:54 |
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| lifeless | ttx: and there's no point trying to have a dialogue with any distro about doing it while we haven't enabled it | 21:54 |
| lifeless | jroll: what things are in your mind when you say super not fun ? | 21:54 |
| ttx | jokke_: in the forefox ccase they accept to break their user expectations of painless upgrades against making their lives a lot easier | 21:54 |
| Piet | Are we planning to have open discussion? | 21:55 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets continue this topic on the spec nad leave the last minutes for open discussion | 21:55 |
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| ttx | jokke_: it's just so much work (and risk) to backport security fixes in Firefox that they said "let's stop doing that and risk breaking users with featureful upgrades instead" | 21:55 |
| jroll | lifeless: lots of dependency hell, gate breakage, etc. for someone like me that isn't as informed as you on those things, it's hard to wrap my head around :) | 21:55 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open discussion | 21:56 |
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| jroll | lifeless: I may be completely wrong, it might be easy | 21:56 |
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| Piet | OK - a couple of things | 21:56 |
| Piet | First, we are running a persona working session next weak in Austin. We already have a group of tentative roles, but want to flesh-out a handful into actual personas. | 21:56 |
| ttx | jokke_: if Firefox continued to provide them with stable branches they would happily continue to use them. | 21:56 |
| lifeless | jroll: so I think no gate breaking | 21:56 |
| lifeless | jroll: it might be hard to get some patches in | 21:56 |
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| lifeless | jroll: but the point of this is to be protective of compat and the various systems | 21:56 |
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| jokke_ | ttx: somewhat makes sense, but indeed sounds like really special case | 21:56 |
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| jroll | lifeless: yeah, I suspect if we spent an hour over beers this would be much more clear to me :) | 21:57 |
| jokke_ | Piet: mind to open "Persona" up a bit in the context | 21:57 |
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| ttx | jokke_: basically I'm not sure that distros would roll forward if we did that perfect backward compatibility. They would likely curse us and do their own stable branches instead. | 21:57 |
| lifeless | I've put a slot for this up for the cross-project track in mitaka | 21:58 |
| jokke_ | ttx: yes, I agree | 21:58 |
| Piet | Sure, the product working group needs a set of personas to help them focus their stories a bit | 21:58 |
| Piet | Architects, operators, developers, etc | 21:58 |
| ttx | jokke_: so in the end I'm not convinced of the value of the change for the user/distro | 21:58 |
| lifeless | ttx: and you know, that would be ok. Because all the folk doing CD - every devstack user for instance - would be that much happier | 21:59 |
| lifeless | anyone installing from pip | 21:59 |
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| ttx | lifeless: yeah, at least we would allow them to make the smart choice. They would likely not make it, but meh | 21:59 |
| jokke_ | last minute! | 21:59 |
| jokke_ | Piet: was that just announcement or did you actually seek some feedback from this group | 21:59 |
| jokke_ | ? | 22:00 |
| Piet | We're looking for feedback from the PTLs on which roles should be the focus of the working session. I have a quick two minute survey for the PTLs to vote on which roles are important to their projects. | 22:00 |
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| Piet | Need to understand which roles the PTLs actualy care about | 22:00 |
| Piet | https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/H6WS2HS | 22:00 |
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| jokke_ | Piet: ok, thanks ... mind to send e-mail to the dev mailing list with [ptl] in the topic | 22:00 |
| Piet | Will take you less than two minutes and add a ton of value | 22:00 |
| jokke_ | as we're out of time | 22:00 |
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| Piet | sure | 22:00 |
| jokke_ | #link https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/H6WS2HS | 22:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 22:01:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-09-29-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| ttx | jokke_: thx for chairing! | 22:01 |
| jokke_ | Thanks everyone! | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-09-29-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-09-29-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| jroll | thanks for running, jokke_ ! | 22:01 |
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| elmiko | thanks jokke_ | 22:02 |
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