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| dhellmann | o/ | 13:04 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 13:04:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:04 |
| ttx | Agenda @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management#Meeting | 13:04 |
| ttx | First item, two governance reviews requesting addition to release:managed | 13:05 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226933/ is for Octavia | 13:05 |
| ttx | a project under Neutron | 13:05 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227741/ for gnocchiclient | 13:06 |
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| dhellmann | the gnocchiclient one is easy, since I think that was just an oversight from when the server project was added | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | I've already RC+1 that | 13:06 |
| ttx | except the server is not release:managed | 13:07 |
| ttx | it's independent | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | oh, I thought it was? | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | I don't think we want to mix and match | 13:07 |
| ttx | so that would be a release:independent + release:managed client lib, which would make it quite unique | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah, those are suppose to be mutually exclusive | 13:07 |
| ttx | if gnocchi moves to release:cycle* then it surely makes sense | 13:08 |
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| ttx | for octavia... feels a bit weird to jump to release:cycle-with-milestones and release:managed in one go | 13:09 |
| ttx | I'd prefer they prove that they can follow a milestone model first before having us onto them | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | what did they do this cycle? | 13:09 |
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| ttx | independent | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | do we know if they did milestones? | 13:10 |
| ttx | they just did one tag 5 days ago | 13:10 |
| ttx | so it's pretty rawa | 13:10 |
| ttx | raw | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | ok, I agree, let's get them onto the milestone system before we agree to manage them | 13:10 |
| ttx | You going to comment on the reviews ? Or should I ? | 13:11 |
| dhellmann | I've left feedback on the gnocchiclient request, do you want to respond to the octavia request? | 13:11 |
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| ttx | I'll leave it to you | 13:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:11 |
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| ttx | I can +1 you if it gets tough | 13:11 |
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| ttx | #topic Liberty release coordination | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty release coordination (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:11 | |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-final-release | 13:12 |
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| ttx | We are at release week -2 | 13:12 |
| ttx | We caught up with the timeline over the last week | 13:12 |
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| ttx | This week is supposedly calm | 13:13 |
| ttx | We should create the requirements branch and end the freeze, maybe today ? | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | let me look at the open reviews... | 13:13 |
| ttx | We may or may not have to disable the cross-check job | 13:14 |
| ttx | We may start issuing early RC2s | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | it looks like we don't have any requirements changes that we need, so we could go ahead and branch | 13:14 |
| ttx | and we may have a Swift liberty release | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | yes, we expect that by the end of the week | 13:14 |
| ttx | I expect the bulk of RC2s to come next week when we can finalize the translations imports | 13:14 |
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| dhellmann | makes sense | 13:15 |
| ttx | let me have a quick look at the cross-check thing, see if we need to disable anything | 13:15 |
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| * dhellmann makes a note to document this release schedule in the project-team-guide | 13:15 | |
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| ttx | I feel like we need to at least revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217300/2/zuul/layout.yaml | 13:16 |
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| dhellmann | I think you're right, but see lifeless' comment in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-end-of-release-requirements-checklist | 13:17 |
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| ttx | yeah, that's what makes me pause | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | we added tests, and now it seems those would be testing the same thing twice, so I think we can remove them, but his comment makes me doubt my reasoning | 13:17 |
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| ttx | we have a branch override defined there, and we want it to use stable/liberty instead | 13:18 |
| ttx | Let's wait a bit | 13:18 |
| ttx | I'll ask clarkb and you can ask lifeless | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:19 |
| ttx | no need to rush it, not eaxactly that much pressure to add deps yet | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | we've had a few requests, but no one complained too loudly about having to wait | 13:19 |
| ttx | #action ttx to see with clarkb what (if anything) to do to disable the extra cross-check job | 13:20 |
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| ttx | #action dhellmann to check with lifeless what he meant re: disabling crosscheck | 13:20 |
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| ttx | #agreed wait until Tuesday morning to create teh requirements stable/liberty branch | 13:21 |
| ttx | Otherwise the only big thing that emerged last week release-wide is the Cinder / NetAPP lib licensing issue | 13:21 |
| ttx | I think it's under control now, but that may require a rush for a RC2 | 13:22 |
| ttx | since we don't want to keep that up for long | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that was a surprise | 13:22 |
| ttx | I'll be syncing with PTLs tomorrow re: RC2s | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | do you want me to assist with that? | 13:23 |
| ttx | see which need an urgent one and which can wait until the end of translations | 13:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: sure, we'll see who I didn't get to by the end of the day | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | k | 13:23 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: anything on your side ? | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | if you have some notes for the questions to make sure I ask, please drop them in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-final-release | 13:23 |
| ttx | sure. I'll probably formulate the questions as I go, but I'll note them down there | 13:24 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to spend some time this week pulling together my thoughts about moving off of the strictly synchronized milestone release model, so we can discuss it some before the summit | 13:25 |
| ttx | #topic Mitaka release schedule | 13:25 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 13:25 |
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| ttx | I'll communicate that today, unless you have a last-minute change for it | 13:25 |
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| dhellmann | I think I'm going to add a column with R-n countdown so we can document the general end-of-release week highlights in those terms, but that won't change the actual schedule | 13:26 |
| ttx | ack, good idea | 13:26 |
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| ttx | makes teh whole thing a bit less experimental | 13:26 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to communicate proposed Mitaka release schedule | 13:27 |
| ttx | #topic Release management session content brainstorming | 13:27 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, and having more of this written down is going to be more important, since I don't plan to do as much hand-holding next cycle :-) | 13:27 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-release-management | 13:27 |
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| ttx | I think the two themes are good. Worried we are packing a bit too much into that fishbowl, though | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we might be | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | how long are the sessions, 40 minutes? | 13:29 |
| ttx | FOr the last point you just added, I don't expect we'll have enough of them in the room to be able to discuss that | 13:29 |
| ttx | yeah, 40min | 13:29 |
| ttx | maybe move it to the work room so that we prepare docs work | 13:30 |
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| ttx | The goal of that workroom is to come up with a document like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-release-mgmt to outline the work we plan to do during the cycle | 13:31 |
| ttx | if we have time left we can start working on it, but it's more to come up with a clear Mitaka plan | 13:31 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 13:31 |
| ttx | I found that page very useful to try to organize and keep up with what we palnned to do, so I epxect you'll like it too :) | 13:31 |
| ttx | except we kind of built it along the way, and it's easier to capture while it's hot | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I did, too | 13:32 |
| ttx | so if we can go out of Tokyo with it already compiled, that would really help bootstrap the work afterwards | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | this is normally the sort of thing a project team would use blueprints for, but in our case the etherpad worked really well for keeping notes as we went | 13:32 |
| ttx | We can use the "contributors meetup" to do the heavy lifting on the tooling refactorig maybe | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | I like that | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | I have a bunch of the python rewrite started but not submitted for review | 13:33 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure those patches are in a good state for reviews, but I can take a look at them and clean them up before the summit | 13:34 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 13:35 |
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| ttx | OK, that is all I had for the meeting | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | while I'm thinking of it, I'm probably taking the day of wed for my birthday | 13:35 |
| ttx | great | 13:35 |
| ttx | We could discuss the talk sometimes in the next 2 hours ? | 13:36 |
| ttx | Like agree on the outline, split the work | 13:36 |
| ttx | whenever you can in the next 2 hours I mean | 13:36 |
| dhellmann | that's a good idea. I need a few minutes, but could do it more or less right after this meeting if you want | 13:37 |
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| ttx | ok, let's say in 23 min, I have a few pings I need to answer | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, sounds good | 13:37 |
| ttx | ok, let's close this | 13:38 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 13:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 13:38:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | bbiab | 13:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-28-13.04.html | 13:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-28-13.04.txt | 13:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-28-13.04.log.html | 13:38 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 14:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:00 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:00 |
| boris-42 | ping rvasilets_ ikhudoshyn e0ne | 14:00 |
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| boris-42 | ping redixin | 14:00 |
| rvasilets_ | \o | 14:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:00 |
| redixin | annyong haseyo | 14:00 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: hey hey | 14:01 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's start | 14:02 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [redixin] rally-ci updates | 14:03 |
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| e0ne | hi | 14:03 |
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| redixin | some updates was accumulated in rally-ci | 14:04 |
| redixin | now it supports cloud images | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin__ | hi all | 14:04 |
| temujin_ | hi | 14:04 |
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| redixin | also it support btrfs (previously was only zfs) | 14:04 |
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| redixin | also added lots of small changes like timeouts and triggering jobs by ref-updated | 14:05 |
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| redixin | current rally-ci configuration may be found here: https://github.com/redixin/rci-config/blob/master/config.yaml | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: so can you cut releases and make release notes | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | redixin: or somehow else peridoically wirte updates | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: just to keep process transparent for others? | 14:07 |
| redixin | it is not actually release. status of rally-ci may be seen here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally-ci | 14:07 |
| redixin | so there is some work to be done before first release | 14:07 |
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| redixin | here is the main repository: https://github.com/redixin/rally-ci/ | 14:08 |
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| redixin | so feel free to contact me if you want to contribute | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ok | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: thanks for update | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | any questions guys? | 14:10 |
| rvasilets_ | no | 14:10 |
| temujin_ | no | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Rally 0.1.0 updates | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | Okay so finally we get Rally 0.1.0 released | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | we did a great job guys =) | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | woot | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | so we have fixed almost all non scalable code in Rally | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | and finished rally task abort command | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | improved a lot framework | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | and here are release notes https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/release_notes/latest.html | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | I hope next release won't be delayed so much as this one=) | 14:13 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] About Rally 0.1.1 | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | So I believe this week we should cut new Release 0.1.1 | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | mostly because of serious bug in Rally reports | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | I would like to include murano benchmarks in this release | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | + patches releated to Tempest.conf generation | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | so it will be quite nice result for 1 week of development | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | -) | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | any questions? | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | any suggestions? | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: rvasilets_ redixin temujin_ ^ | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | should Task refactoring enter in 0.1.1 | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | ? | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: ^ | 14:16 |
| temujin_ | include fuel-nodes scenario too | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | temujin_: so I believe we can include fuel-nodes | 14:17 |
| rvasilets_ | if we talk only about fixing task reports then its ok to cut realese in a week | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: I believe it is not ready yet, hovewer I will start reviewing it | 14:17 |
| ikhudoshyn | gotit | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: why otherwise is not ok ? | 14:17 |
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| rvasilets_ | boris-42, murano benchmarks was already finished then they too ok cut in a week | 14:18 |
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| rvasilets_ | I think its possible to cut in a weeks | 14:18 |
| rvasilets_ | *week | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | so okay | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next topic | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Critical bugs in reports | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | so rvasilets_ did you finish patch that I started? | 14:20 |
| rvasilets_ | Now I just want to add several more tests to MainStatsTableTestCase other ok | 14:21 |
| rvasilets_ | it wiil take not a lot of time now | 14:21 |
| rvasilets_ | I have almost finished this patrt | 14:22 |
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| rvasilets_ | other is now on review | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: great thanks for helping on this | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | guys please review this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228403/ | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | it's qutei important | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: andreykurilin__ ikhudoshyn temujin_ ^ | 14:23 |
| ikhudoshyn_ | will do | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | okay moving to next topic | 14:23 |
| temujin_ | already there | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | #topic [ylobankov] Creating Tempest resources | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | ylobankov: hi | 14:23 |
| ylobankov | hi guys | 14:23 |
| ylobankov | currently i am working on `rally verify` command | 14:24 |
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| ylobankov | I have started work on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226652/ . Of course patch is in progress | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: so do you have any questions related to that patch? | 14:25 |
| ylobankov | I would like to discuss some issues. The first one is creating tempest resources | 14:25 |
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| ylobankov | any ideas how to do it. Context or something like that? | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | ylobankov: so why not just creating before run and delete after run? | 14:27 |
| redixin | ylobankov, which resources do you mean? | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: because we support cli which just generate config file, not launch verification | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin__ | redixin: I suppose tempest specific roles, images and etc | 14:29 |
| ylobankov | boris-42: we have `rally verify genconfig` command. What should we do when we execute this one? redixin: I mean keystone roles, flavors and images | 14:29 |
| redixin | ylobankov, resources created by rally before (and for) tempest? or resources left by tempest? | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin__ | Maybe, we can implement some context manager, which will check existence of resources from config file and create/remove them | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin__ | redixin: for tempest launch | 14:30 |
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| ylobankov | andreykurilin__: create/remove before each run `rally verify`? | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | ylobankov: yep | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin__ | ylobankov: yep | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: we can as well store in rally.db reference to created resources so we will be able to cleanup them at any moment | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin__ | or we can ask users "do you want to left tempest pre-created resources or not" | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: but it is not safe (because you can delete VM with rally for example) | 14:33 |
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| ylobankov | It looks like we cannot create resources before each run `rally verify start` because we have `rally verify genconfig` | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin__ | ylovankov: what about checking resources from config file before each run? | 14:36 |
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| ylobankov | andreykurilin__: sounds resonable | 14:36 |
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| ylobankov | it looks like at this point I don't have any questions. Any questions for me? | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | ylobankov: thanks for work on rally verify =) | 14:38 |
| ylobankov | boris-42: not at all :) | 14:39 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | #topic [rvasilets] A small refactor of Rally install script | 14:41 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey. A week ago I get a task to remove psycopg2 from requrements | 14:42 |
| rvasilets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190931/ | 14:42 |
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| rvasilets_ | But after delete from #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190931/4/requirements.txt requirenments | 14:43 |
| rvasilets_ | I found that there are also some packages that could be installed optionally too | 14:43 |
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| rvasilets_ | All of them here #link https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/install_rally.sh#L289 | 14:44 |
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| rvasilets_ | libpq-dev postgres-devel and postgressql93-devel | 14:45 |
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| rvasilets_ | And I decide that we need to add manually there instalation here #link https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/install_rally.sh#L400 | 14:45 |
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| rvasilets_ | But it takes a lot of lines more then 100 | 14:45 |
| rvasilets_ | so I suggest to refactor script and add such function as install_pkg_manually | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | The changes that helped me with this are here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190931/4/install_rally.sh | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ^ could you take as well on this patch | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | Please say you thoughts about this refactor | 14:47 |
| rvasilets_ | eom | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: okay my overall opinion is to try to find the ways to make that script shorter | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: not longer=) | 14:47 |
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| rvasilets_ | also there is exist paramater like easier | 14:48 |
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| rvasilets_ | and not always shorter is easier) | 14:49 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: ok | 14:50 |
| rvasilets_ | Also this question is not intended to raise a debate on the needed of the script | 14:50 |
| rvasilets_ | it is out of scope | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: I am not talking that we don't need script | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: I am talking about it's complexity | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | hovever I will re-review it | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | okay seems like we dicussed everything | 14:51 |
| rvasilets_ | I have heard how guys are talkiong) | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: ?) | 14:51 |
| rvasilets_ | this is more for them was said | 14:52 |
| rvasilets_ | andreykurilin__, redixin and some others don't like bash and want to rewrite it into python) | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets_ | that was told to me when I have raised the same question to them) | 14:53 |
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| andreykurilin__ | the main problem of this script: rally team doesn't have a lot of bash-gurus | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: imho rewriting it to python will be bad idea | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: chris knows it well=) | 14:54 |
| rvasilets_ | This is a good reason to became a guru) | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: python imho is not a good language to install packages | 14:54 |
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| rvasilets_ | Alexander said that he has 5000 line script experience on Bash) | 14:55 |
| rvasilets_ | *had | 14:55 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: after looking at our install script, I think that bash is not a good language to install packages too. | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | so okay andreykurilin__ lol | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | okay so we have to finish our meeting | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | we can continue disucssion in rally chat | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok | 14:57 |
| rvasilets_ | ) | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | see you guys | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 14:57:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-09-28-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-09-28-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-09-28-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 15:00:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
| asselin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| rhedlind | hi | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | hi | 15:01 |
| aysyd | hi | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss today? | 15:02 |
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| wznoinsk | hi all | 15:02 |
| asselin | I have some common-ci patches I'd like people to try out | 15:02 |
| anteaya | do share the links/ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | ? | 15:03 |
| anteaya | I was just thinking about your docs patch you offered up the end of last week | 15:03 |
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| asselin | #link third-party ci documentation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/ | 15:03 |
| asselin | #link single-node third-party ci proposed solution: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/ | 15:04 |
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| asselin | #link example project-config-example: https://github.com/rasselin/project-config-example | 15:05 |
| asselin | #link project-config-example nodepool dependency: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/ | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | is there anyway you can have all your patches in gerrit? | 15:05 |
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| asselin | anteaya, that's a good question. the only one that's not is the project-config-example | 15:06 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:06 |
| anteaya | can it be in gerrit? | 15:06 |
| asselin | I would like it to be, but want to discuss that first | 15:07 |
| anteaya | for instance since the puppet-openstackci module makes mention of it, would it make sense to have the sample in that module | 15:07 |
| anteaya | okay, let's discuss | 15:07 |
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| asselin | anteaya, yes, origianlly I was going to put it in puppet-openstackci modules | 15:07 |
| anteaya | if I am supporting openstack devs to review patches I want to guide them to gerrit | 15:07 |
| asselin | however, that's makes it more complicated to review and use as an example | 15:08 |
| asselin | so I'd like to propose it to be it's own project | 15:08 |
| anteaya | can you expand on that point? | 15:08 |
| anteaya | it is a sample file | 15:08 |
| anteaya | to be used in a puppet module | 15:08 |
| asselin | anteaya, it's convenient to have a git url that can just be used to get started | 15:08 |
| anteaya | I'm foggy on the use case why it needs to be its own project | 15:09 |
| asselin | and can be forked from there | 15:09 |
| anteaya | I'm not following you | 15:09 |
| anteaya | you want to provide users a way to fork the file | 15:09 |
| asselin | fork the repo | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | and feel that users can't figure out how to fork a file unless it is in its own repo? | 15:09 |
| asselin | anteaya, it's not a file, it's a collection of files | 15:10 |
| anteaya | project-config-sample is a file? | 15:10 |
| asselin | no it's is not a file | 15:10 |
| asselin | please take a look and we can discuss the best place to put it: https://github.com/rasselin/project-config-example | 15:11 |
| anteaya | I'm not a fan of it being its own project | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | to my way of thinking it belongs in the puppet-openstackci module | 15:11 |
| anteaya | in its own directory | 15:11 |
| asselin | why's that? | 15:12 |
| anteaya | because that is the module that consumes it | 15:12 |
| anteaya | the sample is only used by puppet-openstackci | 15:12 |
| anteaya | and the point it for folks to have one place to get what they need | 15:12 |
| asselin | it can be used by any module that takes a project-config git url | 15:13 |
| anteaya | all contained in one place | 15:13 |
| anteaya | did you create it for puppet-openstackci? | 15:13 |
| anteaya | that was my belief of your intent | 15:13 |
| asselin | I created it to help 3rd party ci operators have a starting point that's simpler than openstack-infra/project-config | 15:14 |
| anteaya | for puppet-openstackci? | 15:14 |
| asselin | puppet-openstackci documentation can take advantage of it | 15:14 |
| asselin | to provide simpler instructions | 15:14 |
| anteaya | can puppet-openstackci run without it? | 15:15 |
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| asselin | without the example, absolutely yes | 15:15 |
| anteaya | great | 15:15 |
| anteaya | let's focus on puppet-openstackci and patches in gerrit | 15:16 |
| anteaya | that fits wtih the things I am willing to support | 15:16 |
| anteaya | thanks for your patches | 15:16 |
| asselin | so then there are 2 options: get it into gerrit as it's own project, or own folder of an existing project | 15:16 |
| anteaya | so if folks are able to take some time and review asselin's gerrit patches linked above that would be great | 15:17 |
| asselin | that's what I'd like to discuss today | 15:17 |
| anteaya | asselin: well you are the driver here | 15:17 |
| anteaya | okay thank you asselin | 15:17 |
| anteaya | let's see if anyone else has anything they would like to discuss | 15:17 |
| anteaya | so we can also work them into the schedule | 15:17 |
| anteaya | does anyone else have items they would like to discuss today so we can fit you in? | 15:18 |
| anteaya | I have an item but it can wait until the end | 15:18 |
| anteaya | okay well it looks like just asselin has a topic right now | 15:18 |
| anteaya | go ahead asselin | 15:18 |
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| asselin | ok, so we all agree patches should be in gerrit, the question is, which is the best approach for 3rd party ci operators to migrate to the common 3rd party ci solution | 15:19 |
| anteaya | so if we all agree -- well that is the openstack workflow | 15:20 |
| anteaya | and the workflow infra supports for openstack developers | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | so you agreed to follow that workflow as did all the others when you started contributing to openstack | 15:20 |
| anteaya | it isn't a topic that is open for discussion | 15:20 |
| asselin | so I would like to request existing operators to review the patches and follow the documentation and see which approach would be best long-term | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | it is a very important part of the foundation of what makes openstack openstack | 15:21 |
| anteaya | a foundation that is being quickly eroded | 15:21 |
| asselin | anteaya, please, let me state my request | 15:21 |
| anteaya | by folks who forget what they agreed to | 15:21 |
| anteaya | let's start with acknkowledging the foundation | 15:21 |
| anteaya | of what makes openstack openstack | 15:21 |
| asselin | anteaya, go ahead | 15:22 |
| anteaya | the openstack workflow and using the tools to develop components is what makes openstack openstack | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | if we take that for granted we are party to what causes a loss of values | 15:22 |
| anteaya | I'm surprised that folks would want to work around what is at the heart of what so many people consider something having value | 15:23 |
| anteaya | rather than making efforts to improve that systems and assist others to understand why it exists and why it is important | 15:23 |
| anteaya | if we forget that than we do disservice to each other | 15:24 |
| anteaya | as well as all my infra team mates working so hard to ensure that folks have access to tools for development | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | is there anyone in the meeting willing to acknowledge the openstack workflow has value to them | 15:25 |
| anteaya | and that they recongnize they have a role to play in that workflow | 15:25 |
| anteaya | noone? | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | I had thought that was what I was doing | 15:25 |
| * asselin agrees | 15:26 | |
| patrickeast | :o hang on, hang on, i agree with what you are saying | 15:26 |
| anteaya | helping folks to may have a shaky start understanding that value to come to recognize it | 15:26 |
| * patrickeast is catching up | 15:26 | |
| anteaya | asselin: thank you | 15:26 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: thank you | 15:26 |
| patrickeast | so this is for the config repo? | 15:26 |
| patrickeast | asselin: ^ | 15:26 |
| asselin | patrickeast, anteaya and I are on different topics | 15:26 |
| anteaya | this is for starting from a common understanding of what is important and why we are here | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | we seem to be taking a lot of things for granted and I don't think we can do so any longer | 15:27 |
| anteaya | if we just assume we have the same values without acting like we have the same values we run at cross purposes to each other | 15:27 |
| anteaya | and waste each other's time | 15:27 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: agree with you in general | 15:28 |
| patrickeast | ok, yea i'm with you there | 15:28 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: thankyou | 15:28 |
| asselin | patrickeast, yes, I'm trying to create an example | 15:28 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you, do you mean you disagree with me in practice? | 15:28 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: :) I mean I am relatively new to say 100% agree, I am sure I am missing something somewhere | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: okay fine, I can accept that, thank you | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | so I think it behouves us as openstack developers to find ways to work within the openstack workflow and find ways to improve the workflow if you feel improvement is called for | 15:30 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: I need to learn how to use the tooling foundation provides to do a less frictionless development. So far my experience was it takes more time once it is in OpenStack harness | 15:30 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: okay that is great | 15:31 |
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| mmedvede | so sometimes it makes sense to prototype locally first. But I am sure there is effective way to do it | 15:31 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: let's work on that | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: do you use gerrit and submit patches to gerrit and then pull them down to work on them? | 15:31 |
| asselin | anteaya, if this ^^ is regarind me using github, then here's the doucmentation that state's its part of the openstack workflow: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#add-the-project-to-the-master-projects-list | 15:32 |
| anteaya | many developers don't keep anything locally, they keep it all in gerrit | 15:32 |
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| asselin | upstream: git://github.com/awesumsauce/<projectname>.git | 15:32 |
| asselin | Step #3 | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | asselin: I still am foggy on why it needs to be its own repo | 15:33 |
| asselin | anteaya, sure I'm willing to discuss that, as long as we agree my workflow is correct | 15:33 |
| anteaya | and if you wanted eyes on the repo in gerrit the way to link them in a meeting is via a new project project-config patch | 15:33 |
| anteaya | so taht people can review the gerrit patch | 15:33 |
| anteaya | if they have comments on the repo itself | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | I prefer links to meetings to be to gerrit patches | 15:34 |
| anteaya | so that I can support asking people to review the gerrit patches | 15:34 |
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| asselin | sure, so I'll create those patches first | 15:35 |
| anteaya | and so they have a place to leave reviews and comments | 15:35 |
| asselin | ok nothing else from me | 15:35 |
| mmedvede | asselin's example project-config is in starting phase, there is no project for it yet, so hard to have links to gerrit, much easier to github | 15:35 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: so you are going to get project-config example embedded into openstackci module? | 15:36 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: that is contraty to the tooling I am willing to support | 15:36 |
| asselin | mmedvede, I will create a project-config patch that links to the github repo | 15:36 |
| anteaya | if you read what I have been stating | 15:36 |
| asselin | mmedvede, seems that's where I fell off the cliff | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | anyone have any further comments or questions on this topic? | 15:37 |
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| patrickeast | i guess i'm not sure i see what the problem is... but i think having it as a separate repo makes the most sense anyway, so adding it in with a project-config seems like the next step to me | 15:37 |
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| mmedvede | personally, I think a new project would be better to contain the example | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | well if we get a patch to gerrit you have a place to say so | 15:38 |
| asselin | patrickeast, mmedvede thanks, glad we agree on that. I will take that approach. | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | anything else? | 15:38 |
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| patrickeast | as a consumer of it, having a repo to fork is 100x easier than trying to figure out what i need to copy paste into my own | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | patrickeast: you read my mind? :) | 15:39 |
| patrickeast | lol | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | anything more on this topic? | 15:40 |
| asselin | I got my answers, thanks | 15:41 |
| anteaya | asselin: great, thank you | 15:41 |
| anteaya | so for the next topic | 15:41 |
| anteaya | I have an item | 15:41 |
| anteaya | you may or may not have seen this posted to the -dev list late friday | 15:41 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075532.html | 15:41 |
| anteaya | so this is an effort of the foundation | 15:41 |
| anteaya | not of infra | 15:41 |
| anteaya | I fully support this effort but am not in charge of it | 15:42 |
| asselin | anteaya, is that the first time you heard of it? | 15:42 |
| anteaya | if you wish to become involved in the effort be sure to contact hogepodge directly | 15:42 |
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| anteaya | no, hogepodge came to the -qa sprint | 15:42 |
| anteaya | and brought the topic up at that time since there were 4 neutron devs at the table | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | and it was discussed | 15:43 |
| patrickeast | any idea if that means we need to change what we are doing already if we have a CI in place? | 15:43 |
| anteaya | so infra will support this effort but is not driving it | 15:43 |
| anteaya | right | 15:43 |
| patrickeast | or is there a wiki page somewhere i can go read? | 15:43 |
| anteaya | that is the question I knew you would have | 15:43 |
| anteaya | and the answer is no | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | I don't no | 15:44 |
| anteaya | it is my expectation it will look a lot like defcore | 15:44 |
| anteaya | so devs use tempest in development | 15:44 |
| anteaya | and continue to do so | 15:44 |
| anteaya | and for the foundation's purposes they have requirements, built on development requirements but different | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | and hogepodge is asking for participation to create the structure | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | so by all means contact him and participate | 15:45 |
| anteaya | I just want to ensure folks know that all current infra requirements for gerrit ci accounts remain in place | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | and I know you will have questions | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | and the only answers I can give at present are, infra requirements and project requirements remain in place | 15:46 |
| anteaya | and I support the effort | 15:46 |
| anteaya | anything more on this topic? | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | oh also for reference hogepodge brought up the topic at a neutron team meeting I think 2 weeks ago | 15:48 |
| anteaya | feel free to read the neutron meeting logs | 15:48 |
| anteaya | anything more on this topic/ | 15:48 |
| anteaya | ? | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have an update on where we are with agreeing to a single third party dashboard? | 15:49 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: we are going to discuss it a bit more in tomorro's working group meeting | 15:51 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: any update for today? | 15:51 |
| anteaya | are we close? | 15:51 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I did spend some time getting poc puppet module to deploy CI Watch, but it requires more work | 15:51 |
| patrickeast | last i saw from the spec review ci-watch was what was going to be the choice... looked about as close as anything else thats been tried | 15:51 |
| mmedvede | it did not go as smooth | 15:52 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: I don't think that will stand in the way of getting a spec approved | 15:52 |
| anteaya | yeah so getting the spec approved is the first step | 15:52 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: correct. It is more about are we sure with CI Watch | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | you don't have to have a working puppet implementation before the spec is approved | 15:52 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: well what is the option if we aren't sure about ci watch | 15:53 |
| mmedvede | patrickeast: yes, we did small vote last week, but you were not there, so we wanted to discuss tomorrow to see if you agree | 15:53 |
| anteaya | I felt there was agreement on this last week and am kind of suprised we have moved to uncertainty this week | 15:53 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: not uncertainty | 15:53 |
| patrickeast | ah yea, i'm cool with whatever | 15:53 |
| anteaya | how would you characterize it then | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | that sounds like agreement to me | 15:54 |
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| patrickeast | imo none of the solutions are 100% perfect, but we need one in there so we can start iterating on them and get them better | 15:54 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: wanted to make sure everybody involved, such as patrickeast, also supports it | 15:54 |
| anteaya | sounds like we are there | 15:54 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: yup | 15:54 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: agreed, thank you | 15:54 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: wonderful so do we need a new patchset on the spec then? | 15:55 |
| anteaya | or can we have a link to it for the meeting logs? | 15:55 |
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| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/194437 | 15:55 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:55 |
| mmedvede | it is ready to go | 15:55 |
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| anteaya | great, good work folks | 15:56 |
| anteaya | please review | 15:56 |
| anteaya | I would like to have this added to tomorrow's infra meeting for voting | 15:56 |
| anteaya | who would like to represent the spec at the meeting? | 15:56 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I am the assignee | 15:57 |
| mmedvede | so can do that | 15:57 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: wonderful please add it to the infra meeting agenda under specs for approval | 15:58 |
| anteaya | and attend tomorrow's meeting | 15:58 |
| mmedvede | ok | 15:58 |
| asselin | fyi I'll be available in the 2nd half of the meeting, but I already voted on the patch so don't need to be tehre | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | prepare a short sentence or two on the spec so that infra meeting attendees have context for what it is even if they have never read the spec before | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | asselin: it would be helpful if you were there to reply to any questions taht come up about it | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | having it on the agenda is often the first time some people have seen the spec | 15:59 |
| anteaya | so context is very important | 15:59 |
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| anteaya | asselin: so it is great if you are there but no worries if you aren't | 15:59 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:59 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 15:59:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-28-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-28-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-28-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| cbader | asselin, issue with zuul this morning debug look right but no jobs kicking off? | 16:20 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 17:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | hey all | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | roll call | 17:01 |
| mgrohar | hey | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hey mgrohar | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 17:02 |
| matjazp | same as last week | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | #topic Action items review | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | only one action item from last week | 17:05 |
| matjazp | matjazp asks about moving stuff from Upstream's wiki to the repo on Doc ML | 17:05 |
| matjazp | mail was sent, but there is yet no comment on it | 17:05 |
| matjazp | so I just started to submit patches | 17:06 |
| matjazp | but we can review that in the next topic | 17:06 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training progress | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | I submitted a patch for publishing on docs/upstream-training | 17:07 |
| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228488/ | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | when this is merged, we can also merge update to the index.html on the main docs page | 17:08 |
| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228530/ | 17:09 |
| mgrohar | reviewed your patch. +1 | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | this is marked as WIP | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | but you can see how the page will look like at http://docs-draft.openstack.org/30/228530/1/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/3800f3f//publish-docs/www/index.html | 17:09 |
| matjazp | I used university icon, another candidate was slideshare or smth like that | 17:10 |
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| mgrohar | university was appropriate choice | 17:11 |
| mgrohar | looks good | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | ok, so we just wait for a few more reviews on the publishing patch, and then this one and we're good to go | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | no reply about migration from wiki to this new landing page | 17:12 |
| matjazp | mgrohar: you can also reply to the ML with your view on this, but if there's no other suggestions or blockers, we'll migrate all hat stuff | 17:13 |
| matjazp | hat=that | 17:13 |
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| mgrohar | I agree with the migration, so I will support your suggestion on ML | 17:14 |
| matjazp | cool | 17:14 |
| matjazp | we still need to ping Tim and other Tokyo trainers | 17:15 |
| mgrohar | you should probably ping them via email? | 17:15 |
| matjazp | timfreund you around? | 17:15 |
| matjazp | mgrohar: yes, I'll do that | 17:15 |
| matjazp | #action matjazp pings Tim and other Tokyo trainers about wiki to rst migration | 17:16 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | hey janonymous_ | 17:16 |
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| janonymous_ | matjazp: Hi | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | we were discussing addition of the Training guides section on the main Docs landing page, see http://docs-draft.openstack.org/30/228530/1/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/3800f3f//publish-docs/www/index.html | 17:18 |
| matjazp | anything else on Upstream training? | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | ok moving on | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | #topic training slides | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | no reviews yet for this, but than again, Upstream has a priority over Training slides | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme and bgmccollum are not here so I don't know if they managed to build slides locally | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | anything else about Training slides? | 17:23 |
| mgrohar | nop | 17:23 |
| matjazp | ok, moving on | 17:24 |
| matjazp | #topic AOB | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | so, anything else? | 17:24 |
| mgrohar | not from me | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | ok, I guess that's it for this week... | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | ok if that's it, let's just wrap this up | 17:29 |
| matjazp | bye mgrohar janonymous_ | 17:29 |
| matjazp | see you all next week | 17:29 |
| mgrohar | bye | 17:29 |
| matjazp | please do respond on discussion about migration from wiki to the rst on docs ML | 17:29 |
| janonymous_ | matjazp: bye | 17:30 |
| matjazp | janonymous_bye | 17:30 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 17:30:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-09-28-17.01.html | 17:30 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting akanda | 18:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 18:10:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | #info this weeks meeting is canceled while the akanda teams for a F2F sprint in Portland | 18:11 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-09-28-18.10.html | 18:11 |
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| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 20:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 20:01 |
| KrishR | o/ | 20:01 |
| barrett1 | Hi Krish | 20:01 |
| philipw | o/ | 20:01 |
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| barrett1 | Who else is here for the product working group meeting? | 20:01 |
| cloudrancher | Jay is on | 20:01 |
| shamail | hi | 20:02 |
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| stephenwalli | I’m here | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 20:03 |
| Leong | leong here | 20:03 |
| Leong | o/ | 20:03 |
| DericHorn-HP | Here | 20:03 |
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| barrett1 | agenda is located here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 20:04 |
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| barrett1 | #topic User Story team updates | 20:04 |
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| barrett1 | who wants lead off? | 20:04 |
| barrett1 | Thanks Jay! | 20:04 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 20:04 |
| kencjohnston | here - IRC only for the moment, my previous call is running long. | 20:04 |
| barrett1 | The onboarding legacy apps team met with the Enterprise WG Cattle & Pets team. Good discussion, gathered more input | 20:05 |
| barrett1 | Developing a blueprint | 20:05 |
| barrett1 | OK - Kencjohnston | 20:05 |
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| barrett1 | Expect to circulate the BP with this team the week of October 12th | 20:06 |
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| barrett1 | any questions or comments from anyone else? | 20:07 |
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| barrett1 | Kencjohnston - can you give us an update on your user story? | 20:08 |
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| kencjohnston | I don't have an update from last week | 20:08 |
| kencjohnston | I'll be attending the Rolling Upgrades meeting tomorrow | 20:08 |
| kencjohnston | and working to incorporate the Rolling Upgrades work into the existing user story | 20:08 |
| shamail | awesome. | 20:08 |
| barrett1 | Thanks | 20:09 |
| kencjohnston | I'm not sure if Keith is on with anything to add | 20:09 |
| barrett1 | Haven't seen him yet | 20:09 |
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| barrett1 | Anyone have questions or comments on this? | 20:09 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello team | 20:09 |
| barrett1 | Ok, let's go to the next user story | 20:09 |
| barrett1 | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky! | 20:10 |
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| barrett1 | Good timing - any update on the Life cycle managemetn user story? | 20:10 |
| shamail | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky! | 20:10 |
| barrett1 | Sean Cohen - Are you around? | 20:10 |
| gpruessmann | Hi all! | 20:11 |
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| barrett1 | Hi gpruessmann | 20:11 |
| barrett1 | If nothing to update on, let's swith to Capacity/Quote User Story | 20:11 |
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| Leong | Capacity/Quota management meeting was scheduled last week but was cancelled. | 20:11 |
| barrett1 | Is Steve Gordon or Jesse Cook around? | 20:11 |
| shamail | ping sgordon | 20:11 |
| barrett1 | Geoff Arnold, are you here? | 20:12 |
| sgordon | im on irc yes | 20:12 |
| sgordon | i have attempted to schedule this meeting several times now | 20:12 |
| shamail | Hi sgordon, can you provide an update on capacity management? | 20:12 |
| sgordon | limited availability on the part of all participants | 20:12 |
| shamail | Leong just mentioned that on the call too | 20:12 |
| sgordon | only have a positive response from deepak for friday | 20:12 |
| sgordon | and a negative from carol | 20:12 |
| sgordon | so skeptical i will get quorum | 20:13 |
| sgordon | i noted that the draft stuff that exists was merged into the git repo | 20:13 |
| sgordon | so creating a new review for discussion will need a lucky volunteer to propose extensions | 20:13 |
| shamail | sgordon: I just mentioned the potential call on Friday | 20:13 |
| sgordon | suspect that will end up being me | 20:13 |
| shamail | Leong said he can join too possibly but he hasnt seen the invite | 20:13 |
| sgordon | the invite was sent to people who responded to the whenisgood | 20:14 |
| shamail | would yourself, Deepak, and Leong be enough quorum to hold an initial meeting? | 20:14 |
| sgordon | which i sent to the list | 20:14 |
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| shamail | Got it. What time was proposed on Friday? | 20:14 |
| shamail | Leong got disconnected from IRC so I am relaying on the phone | 20:15 |
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| shamail | Carol sent him the invite | 20:15 |
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| barrett1 | The meeting is set for Noon pacific on Friday. | 20:15 |
| Leong_ | back here.. thanks! | 20:15 |
| shamail | sgordon: It wold be great if you can proceed with at least the three of you | 20:15 |
| shamail | would* | 20:15 |
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| shamail | sgordon: does that work? Leong said that time would work for him too | 20:16 |
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| Leong_ | just accepted :-) | 20:16 |
| shamail | Awesome! | 20:16 |
| shamail | Thanks sgordon and Leong_ | 20:16 |
| barrett1 | I've got an 11:55 flight that day, if the meeting were earlier then I could make it (like 8 or 9 AM Pacific). | 20:16 |
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| barrett1 | Ok that wraps-up the user story updates | 20:17 |
| barrett1 | # topic Mitaka Roadmap status | 20:17 |
| barrett1 | #topic Mitaka Roadmap status | 20:17 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: any updates on heat or designate? | 20:17 |
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| Leong_ | Trove PTL will get back this or next week. | 20:18 |
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| barrett1 | Next team call is Thursday and focus is to review key themes/messages for the releases | 20:19 |
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| barrett1 | Targeting draft of content behind Marketing launch next week (Shamail developing); Targeting 10/12 to develop/review the content for Tokyo | 20:21 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/MultiRelease_Roadmap | 20:22 |
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| MeganR | Thank you Shamail! | 20:23 |
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| barrett1 | Any comments or questions for Shamail? | 20:23 |
| barrett1 | That all sounds great! | 20:23 |
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| barrett1 | #topic Tokyo Summit Coverage | 20:23 |
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| barrett1 | Are there sessions that folks know need coverage? | 20:24 |
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| shamail | #link cross project sessions at summit: http://odsreg.openstack.org/ | 20:25 |
| shamail | *proposed | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | For suggested Cross-Project sessions at either of these locations: http://odsreg.openstack.org/ and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cross-project-session-planning Moderator names need to be present for the suggestion to be accepted | 20:26 |
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| Rockyg | For sessions that prod_wg are interested in, we need owners so the session gets accepted | 20:28 |
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| barrett1 | sgordon - are you interested in moderating the Quota session? | 20:29 |
| sgordon | do i get to wear body armor? | 20:29 |
| shamail | sgordon: lol! | 20:30 |
| barrett1 | lol | 20:30 |
| barrett1 | if we provide that are you in? We could find you a partner... | 20:30 |
| sgordon | i actually think we would be potentially better off identifying someone from the dev community, e.g. nova | 20:30 |
| sgordon | at least as a partner | 20:30 |
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| sgordon | (i mention nova because they feel the pain of their existing quota implementation ;)) | 20:30 |
| shamail | that was the thought, partner with someone from the dev community... either dhellmann or John G. (Nova PTL) would make sense | 20:31 |
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| barrett1 | Doug Hellmann's name is associated with this topic too. Reach out to Doug and see if he can partner? | 20:31 |
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| barrett1 | sgordon - will you reach out or do you want me to send an email about this? | 20:32 |
| sgordon | can you please reach out to john? | 20:33 |
| sgordon | or doug for that matter | 20:33 |
| sgordon | assuming scheduling works out i am happy to co-pilot | 20:33 |
| barrett1 | sgordon - OK, i'll send the note and include you. Not sure what the day/time details on the sessions are. | 20:34 |
| barrett1 | I'll also send an email to Sean Dague about partnering with Kenny, Keith and myself on the upgrade session | 20:34 |
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| shamail | #link http://odsreg.openstack.org/cfp/details/11 (Troubleshooting cross-project collaboration) is one that I am willing to participate in with ttx | 20:35 |
| barrett1 | Thanks shamail | 20:36 |
| barrett1 | Any other sessions that we want to touch base on? | 20:36 |
| barrett1 | What about the Ops Summit sessions? | 20:36 |
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| sgordon | <barrett1> sgordon - OK, i'll send the note and include you. Not sure what the day/time details on the sessions are. <-- the scheduling situation is a moving target | 20:38 |
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| sgordon | schedule for these, ops sessions, and other design summit sessions still being worked out | 20:38 |
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| barrett1 | Would be good to know when the agenda times will firm up. | 20:40 |
| shamail | #action shamail to find out when draft TYO ops-track schedule will be published | 20:41 |
| barrett1 | sgordon: Thanks. | 20:41 |
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| barrett1 | Anything else on Tokyo sessions we want to cover? | 20:41 |
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| barrett1 | I'm thinking that a couple of weeks ahead of the summit, it would good to create a google doc with sessions of interest and circulate it to this group and others | 20:43 |
| barrett1 | Sounds like the design summit schedule will get finalized ~2 weeks ahead of the summut | 20:43 |
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| barrett1 | #topic Opens | 20:44 |
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| barrett1 | Anyone have something they want to share with the team? | 20:44 |
| barrett1 | Updates? | 20:44 |
| shamail | Updated wiki will be published for our WG later tonight. I send out an email after the update has been published. | 20:45 |
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| shamail | The new wiki will contain sections for user stories, info on roadmap refresh, overall WG deliverables, and workflows. | 20:45 |
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| barrett1 | shamail: +1 | 20:47 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | suggest we identify a coupel of people from member companies who will have priority to review these quickly | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Get involved with bug fixing process. Encourage at least monthly bug review days. | 20:49 |
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| Rockyg | Help with prioritization of bug fixes. | 20:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | then we cna propose to PTL to see of we do that he or some core revier can merges these aftre their review? | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | How can we provide resources to help speed back porting? | 20:49 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | We will need soem email key word so reviewers can be alerted to it | 20:49 |
| shamail | very ncie | 20:50 |
| barrett1 | Who owns action on this? | 20:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | can generate proposal on it and send to the group for review | 20:51 |
| barrett1 | Write a proposal, circulate on Dev ML and review in the cross-project team meeting? | 20:51 |
| barrett1 | #action Write a proposal, circulate on Dev ML and review in the cross-project team meeting | 20:51 |
| barrett1 | #action Arkady Write a proposal | 20:52 |
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| barrett1 | #action Arkady and RockyG circulate proposal on Dev ML and review in the cross-project team meeting | 20:52 |
| barrett1 | That was a good open - any others? | 20:52 |
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| barrett1 | If there's nothing else for today we can wrap this up. | 20:53 |
| barrett1 | Thanks | 20:53 |
| shamail | take care | 20:53 |
| MeganR | Have a good evening. | 20:53 |
| stephenwalli | ciao | 20:53 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
| philipw | night folks | 20:53 |
| Leong_ | thanks | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 20:53:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-09-28-20.01.html | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-09-28-20.01.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-09-28-20.01.log.html | 20:53 |
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| * regXboi wanders in | 20:56 | |
| * mestery relaxes :) | 20:56 | |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:56 |
| * russellb pours drinks | 20:56 | |
| * regXboi and finds a seat in the back of the room so he can prop his head on the chalkboard | 20:56 | |
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| * regXboi and fall.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 20:56 | |
| * mestery hopes russellb brought enough to share | 20:56 | |
| russellb | for everyone! | 20:56 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 20:56 |
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| mestery | russellb: Yay! :) | 20:57 |
| kevinbenton | \o | 20:57 |
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| kevinbenton | \o/ | 20:57 |
| * mestery waits for armax :P | 20:57 | |
| mestery | hahahahaha :) | 20:57 |
| armax | 3 mins still | 20:57 |
| mestery | lol | 20:57 |
| armax | :) | 20:57 |
| mestery | No pressure armax ;) | 20:57 |
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| dougwig | he's waiting for the trumpets to begin announcing him. | 20:57 |
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| regXboi | trumpets or kazoos? | 20:58 |
| johnsom | dougwig lol | 20:58 |
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| mestery | lol | 20:58 |
| mestery | Likely kazoos | 20:58 |
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| mestery | armax: http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html | 20:58 |
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| mestery | armax: I got you covered my friend ;) | 20:58 |
| armax | my hands are sweating | 20:59 |
| mestery | hahahhaha | 20:59 |
| armax | :) | 20:59 |
| HenryG | o/ | 20:59 |
| armax | can’t type | 20:59 |
| armax | sorry I am gonna have to bail | 20:59 |
| armax | stagefright | 20:59 |
| russellb | cool, early out! | 20:59 |
| * regXboi suggests armax chair mestery as "ptl emeritus" :P | 20:59 | |
| mestery | lol | 20:59 |
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| armax | that was easy | 20:59 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:59 |
| salv-orlando | I think this meeting should be cancelled | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 28 21:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| dougwig | armax: no pressure. we're all silently judging you. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| mestery | I was doing something wrong all the time it appears | 21:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| armax | salv-orlando: too late | 21:00 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha anyway | 21:00 |
| armax | #chair mestery | 21:00 |
| regXboi | all welcome the new vict.... I mean ptl :) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: armax mestery | 21:00 |
| * mestery behaves | 21:00 | |
| armax | I am making mestery the honorary chair | 21:00 |
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| * mestery feels honored | 21:00 | |
| pc_m | hi | 21:01 |
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| russellb | release isn't out, kind of an overlap period :) | 21:01 |
| mestery | yup | 21:01 |
| mestery | :) | 21:01 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin, kevinbenton ping | 21:01 |
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| armax | markmcclain: | 21:01 |
| armax | ping | 21:01 |
| dougwig | congrats to armax, a hearty thank you to regXboi and rossella_s for running! | 21:01 |
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| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 21:01 |
| carl_baldwin | present | 21:01 |
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| xgerman | dougwig +1000 | 21:01 |
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| Sukhdev | dougwig++ | 21:02 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 21:02 |
| hichihara | ++ | 21:02 |
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| * mestery ^5s carl_baldwin :P | 21:02 | |
| armax | thanks all for the vote of confidence, I hope I won’t disappoint and make sure to continue the golden era that mestery started | 21:02 |
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| regXboi | there's kevinbenton | 21:02 |
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| armax | today’s agenda | 21:02 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:03 |
| Sukhdev | mestery set the bar too high for you armax - so, you will have to work hard :-) | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton___ | o/ | 21:03 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: so high I am able to ride | 21:03 |
| armax | *not | 21:03 |
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| armax | so we are in the latest weeks of Liberty | 21:04 |
| armax | RC1 was cut last week | 21:04 |
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| armax | so Mitaka IS OPEN | 21:04 |
| russellb | \o/ | 21:04 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 21:04 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Liberty_Release_Notes | 21:04 |
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| armax | please have a look at the realease notes, if we missed something | 21:05 |
| armax | please either reach out to me or mestery or make edits yourselves | 21:05 |
| regXboi | well - I'd kindly suggest if one does make edits to still reach out for confirmation | 21:06 |
| armax | since liberty is still mestery’s mess…ahem realm…I am gonna have take the lead until it finishes off | 21:06 |
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| mestery | hey now! | 21:06 |
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| dougwig | armax: edits were made for octavia as ref, btw. | 21:06 |
| armax | dougwig: cool | 21:06 |
| mestery | nice work dougwig | 21:06 |
| xgerman | but I guess we need some link for people to download it | 21:06 |
| dougwig | octavia folks, not me. :) | 21:06 |
| armax | mestery has kindly offered to help with the transition, true Leader mestery | 21:06 |
| dougwig | xgerman: that'd be from pip. | 21:07 |
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| mestery | armax: I've got your back my friend | 21:07 |
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| armax | so he and I will be working together to have Liberty be a great release | 21:07 |
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| armax | as for Mitaka, I will still work with him and the rest of the team to get the plan going, but it’ll take me a couple of days to ramp up | 21:08 |
| armax | especially in relation to the design summit planning | 21:08 |
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| armax | I would be reaching out to the drivers, LT’s, cores to make sure we’ll be ready for another exciting cycle | 21:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: You’ve got us to lean on… | 21:10 |
| amuller | Indeed | 21:11 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: yup, this can only be a collaborative effort to be successful | 21:11 |
| armax | no-one can | 21:11 |
| armax | do it all | 21:11 |
| armax | anyhoo | 21:11 |
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| salv-orlando | unless it's Iron Man | 21:12 |
| armax | I realized I should have set the Announcements topic, oh well…I told you my fingers are sweating | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | but then even Iron Man has Jarvis | 21:12 |
| armax | let’s dive in in the rest of the agenda | 21:13 |
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| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:13 |
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| armax | we got a few on the agenda | 21:13 |
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| armax | we were talking about | 21:13 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1499033 | 21:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499033 in neutron "Add Liberty release milestone" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:13 |
| armax | in the channel a bit earlier | 21:13 |
| mestery | We need that one in Liberty for sure | 21:13 |
| mestery | Thus, meaning we many need an RC2 | 21:14 |
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| mestery | *may | 21:14 |
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| HenryG | Nope, I suggest we abandon it | 21:14 |
| mestery | HenryG: Ah, nice! | 21:14 |
| mestery | New information :) | 21:14 |
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| armax | mestery: and yes, we gotta figure out a way not to have these fall off through the cracks next time | 21:14 |
| mestery | I'm already out of date! | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: odds on that were like 100/99 | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | sorry 1/100 | 21:14 |
| armax | HenryG: what’s the other course of action? | 21:14 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: To be fair, I took the long one there, I've likely lost again | 21:14 |
| HenryG | armax: do nothing | 21:15 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: three people in the world - those who like math and those who don't? | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | regXboi: unfortunately I was never good at that. | 21:15 |
| HenryG | armax: I don't know what use it is | 21:15 |
| armax | HenryG: meaning that users won’t have the shortcut to run neutron-db-manage upgrade to Liberty? | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, this bug is not trivial at all | 21:15 |
| HenryG | armax: no one did that anyway | 21:15 |
| HenryG | armax: everyone does "upgrade heads" | 21:16 |
| armax | HenryG: meaning they always upgreaded to head? | 21:16 |
| armax | HenryG: right | 21:16 |
| armax | so the loss here would be lack of convenience? | 21:16 |
| mestery | HenryG: The bug is invalid then? | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | right, but the symbolic at least made it easy to determine where you were | 21:17 |
| HenryG | If you're on master branch and you "upgeade kilo" your code won't work | 21:17 |
| amuller | some installers used the symbolic names I'm sure | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: how do we know what everybody does? | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | can we add it for only one of the paths? | 21:17 |
| amuller | so not having the liberty symbolic name might break fuel or RDO installers or whatever | 21:17 |
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| amuller | so this will need to be communicated | 21:17 |
| armax | HenryG: did you sync up with ihar on this one? | 21:17 |
| HenryG | I have not seen Ihar today | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | amuller: that should at least be release-noted | 21:17 |
| armax | amuller: right, that’s why I was thinking of ihar | 21:17 |
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| HenryG | The patch I have out would provide this "feature" | 21:18 |
| armax | HenryG: but abandoning this bug means we’ll be regressing on the way the tool worked | 21:18 |
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| armax | HenryG: and your patch does the job doesn’t it? | 21:18 |
| HenryG | armax: yep | 21:18 |
| mestery | I'm beginning to think we want this merged actually. | 21:18 |
| armax | and works across multiple repos | 21:19 |
| mestery | markmcclain seems to be agreeing with me. HenryG, why not proceed? | 21:19 |
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| armax | HenryG: correct? | 21:19 |
| HenryG | armax: yes, all repos (once they tag themselves) | 21:19 |
| armax | HenryG: right | 21:19 |
| armax | so why would you want to abandon it? | 21:19 |
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| HenryG | armax: because I am not a package owner or an installer so I did not think that far | 21:20 |
| armax | HenryG: that’s fine, let’s circle back with either and get this to conclusion | 21:20 |
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| armax | at least let’s get ihar’s input | 21:20 |
| HenryG | thanks amuller for alerting to use cases | 21:21 |
| amuller | No one remembers the poor installers :( | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: as long as you preserve the user behaviour I think that's fine | 21:21 |
| armax | amuller: I do (when I expressily ignore them ;) | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | as for the internals, we can iterate | 21:21 |
| armax | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:21 |
| HenryG | OK, the patches are ready then | 21:21 |
| armax | #info bug 1499033 will need to merge/backport once we get an agreement that it’s the way to go | 21:22 |
| openstack | bug 1499033 in neutron "Add Liberty release milestone" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499033 - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:22 |
| armax | mestery: so this means we’ll have to cut RC2 then? | 21:22 |
| mestery | Ack | 21:22 |
| mestery | armax: Indeed | 21:22 |
| armax | assumed that ihar gives us the thumb up | 21:22 |
| mestery | #info We'll need an RC2 due to this | 21:22 |
| HenryG | That's no different from last milestone, BTW | 21:22 |
| mestery | #action mestery to alert the release team to be ready for Neutron Liberty RC2 | 21:22 |
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| armax | mestery: this means we’ll probably get some breathing space to pick some other stuff | 21:23 |
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| armax | but let’s not get too excited | 21:23 |
| mestery | armax: Yes | 21:23 |
| mestery | In fact | 21:23 |
| HenryG | In kilo we made RC2 for the milestone revisions | 21:23 |
| mestery | I'd encourage folks to tag potential backports for RC2 with "liberty-rc-potential" in LP | 21:23 |
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| salv-orlando | you'd better do that otherwise we'll likely need a RC3 too | 21:23 |
| mestery | HenryG: It's a pattern with us | 21:23 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Have we ever had an RC3? | 21:24 |
| armax | #info tag "liberty-rc-potential” on a bug you care about | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I think it's been in RC2 for a good while now | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: yes ask ptl emeritus markmcclain | 21:24 |
| mestery | salv-orlando markmcclain: :P | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | we've def hit rc3 | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | usually because of some bug I introduced | 21:24 |
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| armax | yeah, it woudl be a shame have all those FF weeks go to waste | 21:25 |
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| armax | another bug seems tricky: bug 1484148 | 21:25 |
| openstack | bug 1484148 in python-neutronclient "neutronclient gate broken following VPNaaS infra changes" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484148 - Assigned to Paul Michali (pcm) | 21:25 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1484148 | 21:25 |
| armax | pc_m: what do you reckon on this one? | 21:25 |
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| armax | a fix was partial | 21:26 |
| armax | pc_m: udere? | 21:26 |
| pc_m | it has workaround. | 21:26 |
| pc_m | Also, final fix is in check queue. | 21:27 |
| pc_m | job running as check queue. | 21:27 |
| armax | pc_m: link? | 21:27 |
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| pc_m | Once it is tested, it can vote. | 21:27 |
| pc_m | #link https://review.openstack.org/227232 | 21:27 |
| pc_m | So, non-problem as tests are skipped. These jobs, once voting will rstore VPN tests. | 21:28 |
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| pc_m | restore | 21:28 |
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| armax | pc_m: ok, so nothing needs to be merged in the neutron trees? | 21:28 |
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| pc_m | Just needs some run time to make sure everything is cool. | 21:28 |
| pc_m | armax: correct. | 21:28 |
| armax | pc_m: ok | 21:28 |
| armax | HenryG: this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1477192 | 21:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:29 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1477192 | 21:29 |
| pc_m | armax: Will be a job change from non-voting to voting. | 21:29 |
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| armax | has no code targeted | 21:29 |
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| HenryG | I have not pursued that recently | 21:29 |
| armax | pc_m: thanks, I’ll update the bug report unless you beat me to it | 21:29 |
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| armax | HenryG: ok, but it’s not hurting th release, is it? | 21:30 |
| pc_m | armax: I'd do it. | 21:30 |
| armax | pc_m: thanks | 21:30 |
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| HenryG | I think it's a tempest issue | 21:30 |
| HenryG | Assumptions or bugs in the test cases | 21:30 |
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| armax | HenryG: ok, being a gate failure let’s tag it as such | 21:31 |
| armax | HenryG: I’ll look into it being the Infra Lt :) | 21:31 |
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| armax | #action armax to look into bug #1477192 | 21:31 |
| openstack | bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477192 - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:31 |
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| armax | dougwig: what about bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439696 | 21:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:32 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439696 | 21:32 |
| armax | no code posted | 21:32 |
| HenryG | armax: Yeah, sync up with me and I'll show you a suspect I have | 21:32 |
| armax | HenryG: will do | 21:32 |
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| dougwig | armax: no progress. | 21:32 |
| dougwig | armax: let me kick that over now. | 21:33 |
| armax | dougwig: is it still something you’d want to look into or shall we pass it on? | 21:33 |
| dougwig | it's lbaasv1, so i'm not in a hurry. | 21:33 |
| armax | dougwig: ok seems fair | 21:33 |
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| armax | dougwig: this one is also assigned to you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1163569 | 21:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in neutron "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:34 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1163569 | 21:34 |
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| armax | this bug is ancient | 21:34 |
| mestery | Mark it as invalid? | 21:35 |
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| armax | I wonder if dougwig had managed to triage it | 21:35 |
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| dougwig | this bug is indeed ancient. | 21:36 |
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| dougwig | is it behavior that we want? | 21:36 |
| armax | to be honest this isn’t clear to me from the description | 21:37 |
| mestery | dougwig: Does it affect LBaaS V2 as well as V1? | 21:37 |
| dougwig | mestery: both | 21:37 |
| mestery | dougwig: So yeah, then maybe an email to the operators list asking the question of users and what they want? | 21:37 |
| armax | I have been thinking that we need to come up with a better way for reporting bugs | 21:38 |
| * mestery waves hands around | 21:38 | |
| mestery | armax: +1000.5 | 21:38 |
| armax | so that they don’t sit in LP for so long | 21:38 |
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| armax | sometimes the back and forth for gathering information is painful to watch | 21:38 |
| armax | mestery: thanks for the .5 | 21:38 |
| mestery | armax: It's the little extra that counts the most ;) | 21:39 |
| armax | mestery: indeed | 21:39 |
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| mestery | armax: But I agree, having a clearer template makes a lot of sense | 21:39 |
| armax | ok, let’s close in on the others | 21:39 |
| armax | ajo: ping | 21:39 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1491131 | 21:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491131 in neutron "Ipset race condition" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 21:39 |
| armax | this doesn’t seem to affect Liberty | 21:40 |
| armax | but from what I can see the fix is in both juno and kilo | 21:40 |
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| armax | ok ajo might not be around I’ll reach out to him | 21:41 |
| armax | lastly | 21:41 |
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| armax | amuller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=functional-tests | 21:41 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=functional-tests | 21:41 |
| ZZelle_ | armax, according to logstash, it affects juno and kilo only | 21:41 |
| armax | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1312016 | 21:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1312016 in neutron "nova libvirtError: Unable to add bridge brqxxx-xx port tapxxx-xx: Device or resource busy" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 21:41 |
| armax | sc68cal: ^^ | 21:41 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1312016 | 21:41 |
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| armax | amuller: functional job failure rate is a bit better | 21:41 |
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| armax | do you need eyes on some of the remaining fixes? | 21:42 |
| amuller | armax: aye, last 3 days are back to the normal 12.5% | 21:42 |
| amuller | I'm happy (For some definition of happy) with that failure rate | 21:42 |
| armax | I wish the new normal would be something closer to being single digit | 21:42 |
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| armax | but ok | 21:42 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: is offline right now | 21:42 |
| armax | anteaya: ok | 21:43 |
| armax | I’ll reach out to him later | 21:43 |
| anteaya | k | 21:43 |
| armax | thanks | 21:43 |
| anteaya | welcome | 21:43 |
| armax | ok, as for bugs I think we’re done with those listed on the agenda | 21:43 |
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| armax | if something starts screaming please reach out to me or mestery | 21:44 |
| mestery | ++ | 21:44 |
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| armax | and we’ll dispatch/figure out/reach out/pray/plead etc | 21:44 |
| armax | accordingly | 21:44 |
| regXboi | I like that last one | 21:44 |
| armax | emagana is not here | 21:45 |
| armax | so we’ll skip the doc section, unless someone has an update for the team | 21:45 |
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| armax | 1... | 21:45 |
| armax | 2... | 21:45 |
| armax | 3... | 21:45 |
| armax | #topic Open Agenda | 21:45 |
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| armax | #undo | 21:45 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9b66cd0> | 21:45 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:46 |
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| dougwig | the open agenda would be more fun. | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | +1000 | 21:46 |
| salv-orl_ | the pedantry is strong with this PTL | 21:46 |
| armax | dougwig: lol | 21:46 |
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| dougwig | #topic impeach armax! | 21:46 |
| armax | salv-orl_: I have you to thank | 21:46 |
| russellb | trololo | 21:46 |
| regXboi | heck no | 21:46 |
| mestery | lol | 21:46 |
| armax | salv-orl_: you’re my mentor | 21:46 |
| salv-orl_ | I have an announcement to make | 21:46 |
| regXboi | are we done? | 21:46 |
| russellb | salv-orl_: uh oh | 21:46 |
| regXboi | oops - guess not :) | 21:46 |
| salv-orl_ | today it's the PTL's birthday ;) | 21:46 |
| russellb | !!!!!!!! | 21:47 |
| mestery | lol | 21:47 |
| openstack | russellb: Error: "!!!!!!!" is not a valid command. | 21:47 |
| armax | salv-orl_: oh come on! | 21:47 |
| mestery | HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARMAX! | 21:47 |
| mestery | :) | 21:47 |
| Swami | armax: happy birthday | 21:47 |
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| armax | thanks folks | 21:47 |
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| * xgerman sings happy birthday | 21:47 | |
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| russellb | armax: HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!! | 21:47 |
| armax | I am 10 years too old that I’d like to remember | 21:47 |
| mlavalle | armax: 28? | 21:47 |
| * mestery bakes a cake for armax | 21:47 | |
| dougwig | everyone sing! | 21:47 |
| armax | I wish | 21:47 |
| hichihara | armax: Happy Birthday! | 21:47 |
| ZZelle_ | Happy birthday! | 21:47 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: I think you owe armax a beer now :) | 21:47 |
| mlavalle | armax: happy birthday | 21:47 |
| russellb | have some pie: [} | 21:47 |
| regXboi | so does that mean salv-orl buys the first round in Tokyo? | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | armax: Happy B'day | 21:47 |
| armax | thanks fellas | 21:48 |
| HenryG | armax: Happy Birthday to you, you belong in this zoo! | 21:48 |
| armax | I feel a little younger now | 21:48 |
| xgerman | regXboi that’s what I heard | 21:48 |
| mlavalle | regXboi: i was counting on that anyways | 21:48 |
| mestery | New rule that salv-orl_ always buys the first round? | 21:48 |
| armax | definitely younger compared to when Mitaka closes | 21:48 |
| hoangcx | HenryG: lol | 21:48 |
| mlavalle | mestery: ++ | 21:48 |
| * markmcclain sends armax some birthday/ptl liquor | 21:48 | |
| russellb | armax: +1 | 21:48 |
| armax | markmcclain: look forward to it | 21:48 |
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| armax | ok, to bring us back to less glamorous topics | 21:49 |
| armax | the design summit session brainstorm is taking shape here: | 21:49 |
| armax | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-designsummit | 21:49 |
| armax | keep adding ideas…I’ll be working with the team to come up with a coherent set of sessions | 21:49 |
| Sukhdev | armax: When the cut-off date for selections of idea? | 21:50 |
| armax | Liberty’s tail is long btw | 21:50 |
| armax | so expect some of the Liberty’s topic to reappear again | 21:50 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I am not aware of any specific date, but sooner the better | 21:50 |
| armax | mestery: ? | 21:51 |
| mestery | armax: ++, backlog stuff likely to surface | 21:51 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: In previous cycles, I would try to get this nailed down 2 weeks out from the summit | 21:51 |
| kevinbenton | nova-net NFV migration | 21:51 |
| armax | mestery: for the stuff that needs face-face screaming and shouting mind you | 21:51 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Is it flavor based? | 21:51 |
| russellb | oh dear | 21:51 |
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| mestery | lol | 21:51 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: it's statement like these that make me think you're the next PTL | 21:51 |
| armax | kevinbenton: with this comment you’ve been banned | 21:51 |
| armax | kevinbenton: out | 21:51 |
| mestery | hahahhahahahahaha | 21:51 |
| * armax is going to erase kevinbenton’s digital footprint | 21:52 | |
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| salv-orl_ | mestery: see that's just because armax wants to keep its position with an iron fist and ban all opponents! | 21:52 |
| regXboi | kevinbeton: you should have gone for the full quad! | 21:52 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: He's a dictator! We've elected a dictator! | 21:53 |
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| russellb | good thing we're logging all this open discussion banter, heh | 21:53 |
| * Sukhdev 7 min. left | 21:53 | |
| mestery | russellb: lol :) | 21:53 |
| regXboi | mestery: that is usually how it works | 21:53 |
| armax | there’s quite a lot on the on-demand section that we could possibly cover in 7 mins | 21:53 |
| mestery | armax: It may be stale | 21:53 |
| * Sukhdev waiting to open discussion to ask a question | 21:53 | |
| mestery | armax: I'd encourage you to skip it all this week | 21:53 |
| armax | is there anything in particular guys would want to talk about? | 21:53 |
| mestery | And we'll clean it up for next week | 21:53 |
| russellb | Sukhdev: this is open discussion time | 21:53 |
| armax | I have obviosuly dragged this meeting too long | 21:53 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Go ahead! | 21:53 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: device_owner in the neturon port_create() is usually set to "compute:none" | 21:54 |
| Sukhdev | with ironic, we are thinking about introducing "baremetal:xxx" | 21:54 |
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| Sukhdev | what do neutron cores think about it? | 21:55 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Just to be different? ;) | 21:55 |
| Sukhdev | or "compute:baremetal" | 21:55 |
| armax | Sukhdev: that’s set to compute:none for regular ports | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: does it have meaning to neutron or another system? | 21:55 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: yes | 21:55 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I thought we talked about this | 21:55 |
| salv-orl_ | it's supposed to be compute:<az> | 21:55 |
| armax | salv-orl_: +1 | 21:55 |
| russellb | Sukhdev: non-cores don't get an opinion? :-p | 21:55 |
| salv-orl_ | that's where the None comes form | 21:55 |
| armax | Sukhdev: it’s compute:<cell> actually | 21:55 |
| armax | salv-orl_: ^ | 21:55 |
| russellb | oh, nice | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | device_owner with meaning is almost an anti-pattern | 21:56 |
| salv-orl_ | I missed the bit where Neutorn became cell-aware | 21:56 |
| armax | markmcclain: +! | 21:56 |
| armax | salv-orl_: well Neutron isn't | 21:56 |
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| Sukhdev | salv-orl_: correct - but, I was told this morning that nova and Ironic may use different owners - hence, wanted to ask if neutron specifically differentiates? | 21:56 |
| armax | but that’s how nova pass it along | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: should be opaque to neutron | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | it would be nice to see at a glance based on the device_owner bare metal vs VMs | 21:57 |
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| armax | markmcclain: +!1 | 21:57 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: bottom line, we care about the network:XXX ones | 21:57 |
| salv-orl_ | Sukhdev: as markmcclain is hinting devicE_owner is an attribute that has been abused by Neutron | 21:57 |
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| armax | Sukhdev: today we use it to discern neutron ports from vm’s ports | 21:57 |
| salv-orl_ | it was always meant to be a read-only info for clients | 21:57 |
| armax | I suppose nothing can stop using baremetal:xx | 21:58 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like Ironic folks are asking to use "baremetal:zone" | 21:58 |
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| armax | but compute:baremetal | 21:58 |
| armax | seems wrong | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | barecompute:metal | 21:58 |
| Sukhdev | I wanted to check in this form - before proceeding | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | I | 21:59 |
| russellb | bear metal | 21:59 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: +0.5 | 21:59 |
| armax | I think that’s a discussion that needs to happen between nova and ironic first | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | russellb: +1 | 21:59 |
| armax | imo | 21:59 |
| mestery | 1 minute left armax :) | 21:59 |
| armax | I am losing my shoe | 21:59 |
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| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic#Pixie_Boots.2C_the_Ironic_drummer_bear | 21:59 |
| armax | ok folks | 22:00 |
| armax | thanks for joining | 22:00 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 22:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-09-28-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-09-28-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| regXboi | russellb: is that anything like the drop bear? | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-09-28-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | http://i.imgur.com/dpoDdY4.png | 22:00 |
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| armax | we’ll continue the discussion in channel | 22:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 22:00 |
| ZZelle_ | Bye! | 22:00 |
| hichihara | bye | 22:00 |
| mestery | thanks armax ! | 22:00 |
| blogan | adios | 22:00 |
| russellb | bye! | 22:00 |
| salv-orl_ | adieuuuu | 22:00 |
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