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| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting | 00:00 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 00:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
| ramineni | Hi | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Who is here today? | 00:01 |
| alexsyip | Hi | 00:01 |
| ekao | hi | 00:01 |
| pballand | hi | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | I've got 7 agenda items today. | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | Does anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 00:02 |
| alexsyip | I’m redoing the handson, but I’ll send an email with that. | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | That's on my list. | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | Okay, well if something comes up, let me know. | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | #topic Liberty | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | I did some more manual testing today and found some bugs. | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | Remember these are on the stable/liberty branch | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs/?field.tag=liberty-rc2 | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | One of them is especially bad. Seems the data doesn't get sent properly to the policy engine. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | I marked it critical. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | I tried to isolate the bugs at least. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | But didn't get around to solving any of them. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | See the comments. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | I assigned a couple of people to them as they seemed a good fit. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | But if anyone else can pick one up, assign the bug to yourself. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | Hmmm… but then how do you know if someone has already volunteered. | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | I'll remove the assignees right now. | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | Only sign up if no one else has. | 00:07 |
| su_zhang | hello | 00:07 |
| su_zhang | has congress discussion already started? | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: yep. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | We're discuss the new bugs I found: | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs/?field.tag=liberty-rc2 | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Questions about the bugs? | 00:08 |
| su_zhang | looking it now | 00:08 |
| ramineni | Thinrichs: when is the final freeze ?? | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: let me look | 00:09 |
| ramineni | By when we can file or resolve bugs for liberty | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | We definitely want the bugs fixed ASAP so we can continue testing. | 00:10 |
| ramineni | Sure ..ok | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | Final release is October 15. | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | We jumped the gun a little this cycle so that we could continue doing development on the new architecture. | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | So the stable/liberty branch will have more commits than we'd like. | 00:11 |
| ramineni | Ok :) | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | #topic kilo | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | Apparently there was a bug in kilo (the last release) in another project that forced everyone to change their requirements files. | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | Here's ours. It's failing tests. | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222698/ | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | I tried some simple fixes but still no luck. | 00:12 |
| ekao | I can take this one. https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1499025 | 00:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499025 in congress "Datasource action listings for cinder, glance, etc." [Medium,Triaged] | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225332/ | 00:13 |
| ekao | i’ll assign myself | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | ekao: great! | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | Can someone look into the kilo issues? | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: I just looked at your comment. Are you saying we should perhaps bundle those 2 changes together? | 00:15 |
| ramineni | Sorry , I couldn't open the bug , is it about Oslo. Lib | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | I don't think we want to open a bug against oslo. | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | We just want to figure out how to upgrade our code to work with the new requirements. | 00:17 |
| ramineni | Thinrichs : ok..I can have a look at kilo issues | 00:17 |
| ramineni | But not sure .. About resolution .. Will give it a try | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: Thanks! It may be enough to combine those 2 changes into 1 so the code and requirements are in sync. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | Let me know what you find and if you want help. | 00:18 |
| ramineni | Ok , sure .. Thanks | 00:19 |
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| thinrichs | #topic HOL for Tokyo | 00:19 |
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| thinrichs | alexsyip: have you gotten feedback? | 00:19 |
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| alexsyip | yeah, david from att tried it out. | 00:19 |
| alexsyip | but he ran into some problems. | 00:20 |
| alexsyip | So I’m creating a new VM that uses a desktop env. | 00:20 |
| alexsyip | He tried to run the demo without internet, which didn’t work. | 00:20 |
| alexsyip | And he couldn’t talk to horizon from his browser. | 00:20 |
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| alexsyip | Anyway, I’m created desktop env vm that does not require the network between browser and horizon. | 00:21 |
| alexsyip | But for some reason, devstack doesn’t run right without the Internet. | 00:21 |
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| alexsyip | I haven’t figured out why yet. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | Even once it's downloaded all the project repos? | 00:22 |
| alexsyip | yeah | 00:22 |
| ramineni | Alexsyip ..did u try with Offline true option | 00:22 |
| alexsyip | Yes I did. | 00:22 |
| ramineni | Oh | 00:22 |
| alexsyip | After I set OFFLINE=True, and I ran ./stack.sh again, congress still couldn’t talk to some services. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Could the other services talk to each other? | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | I'm wondering if its something in how we built the Congress drivers. | 00:24 |
| alexsyip | When I tried to use horizon, there were some error messages popping up also. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | But congress could talk to at least 1 of the services? | 00:25 |
| alexsyip | I’m not sure. | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | Here are the core devstack developers. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/50,members | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | I see gary kotton on there. He might be good to reach out to. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: let us know if you need help debugging or testing or both. | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs | We all want that lab to go well! | 00:29 |
| alexsyip | I think it’s also ok to expect an Internet connection when running the lab. | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs | +1 | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Next up is some new work from su_zhang on Nova | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | #topic Nova integration | 00:30 |
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| su_zhang | could we also include our implementation for the demo? | 00:30 |
| su_zhang | here is the review | 00:31 |
| su_zhang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224913/ | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: first explain to everyone what your code does | 00:31 |
| su_zhang | I've already addressed all of the comments | 00:31 |
| su_zhang | Basically, it is a proactive enforcement of resource usage quota at domain level | 00:32 |
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| su_zhang | currently nova does not have a quota policy at domain level | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | The new functionality that you've added is: before Nova does something it asks Congress if it's okay. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | Right? | 00:33 |
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| su_zhang | yes | 00:34 |
| su_zhang | exactly | 00:34 |
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| su_zhang | while booting up a new VM, we intercept the API call and verify if the remaining quota is sufficient for this boot attempt. If so we let it go, otherwise we will return it. | 00:35 |
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| thinrichs | You integrated Congress into the pipeline, using paste? | 00:35 |
| su_zhang | yes | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | How general-purpose is that? | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Does it only work for quota? | 00:35 |
| su_zhang | congress sits among the execution flow | 00:35 |
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| su_zhang | this flow can work more than just quota | 00:36 |
| su_zhang | we currently only checks quota | 00:36 |
| zhenzan | su: one question. If it's a normal user to execute the boot, I read from the code that you will use his token to query congress and nova, I'm not sure if it could all the required info | 00:36 |
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| su_zhang | we can easily broaden our scope for policy checking | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | su_zhang: did you see zhenzan's question? | 00:38 |
| su_zhang | yes, it will use the token for authentication | 00:38 |
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| su_zhang | but it does not need to be an admin token | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | zhenzan: good question here. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | If Nova uses the requester's token, it may be have sufficient rights within Congress. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | If Nova uses an admin token, it will have the correct Congress rights, but then it needs to get the token from somewhere. | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | I think there are service accounts that one service (like Heat) can use to talk to other services. | 00:40 |
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| thinrichs | The other thing to think about is how we can generalize the code that is there. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | In particular, we probably don't want to write different code for every one of Nova's API calls. | 00:41 |
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| su_zhang | makes sense | 00:42 |
| su_zhang | I can try to generalize the code | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | su_zhang: if you look into the simulate documentation you'll see something about actions. | 00:42 |
| zhenzan | My concern is that Congress is normally configured as admin account in datasource drivers. If Nova uses the requester's token which is not admin, and he can still call Congress execution APIs. Is it a security hole? | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | and how you can define the update-sequence as a single action, yet have Congress compute the changes in tables that the action will produce. | 00:43 |
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| zhenzan | or Congress can block it? | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | zhenzan: Heat has had to address this problem. | 00:43 |
| zhenzan | ok, thanks. I'll take a look | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | Whether it's a security hole or not is unclear. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | But I think we want to have end-users have their APIs gated on Congress policies, one way or the other. | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | zhenzan: if you look into Heat and service accounts, could you let us all know what you find? | 00:44 |
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| zhenzan | no problem | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Thanks. | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | Next topic. 15 min left. | 00:44 |
| alexsyip | In general simluation calls dont need to run actions right? | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: right; but they can if we want them to. | 00:45 |
| alexsyip | ok | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | #topic Python3 | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | We're supposed to be Python3 compliant in the near term | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | Probably was supposed to happen by Liberty. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | But we're not there yet. | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs | The rationale is that Python2 is officially not supported anymore by the Python community (or that happens soon). | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | veena put some time into that, and Victor Stinner has been helping out recently. | 00:46 |
| ramineni | I suppose only anrlr3 is pending , otherwise congress code is compliant right | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: I'm unsure. That would be great if it were the case. | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | It would be nice to know how close we are. | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | And to figure out if antlr3 is a problem, and if so what to do about it. | 00:47 |
| ramineni | Yes , I looked at the logs , only antlr3 is throwing errors afaik | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: great! I see the latest patches are only concerned with antlr. | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | I don't remember if we need antlr3 for its runtime, or just for compilation. | 00:49 |
| alexsyip | I think we only need it for compilation. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | If it's only necessary for compilation (of the grammar to the Python code that parses datalog) then we could remove it. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | And have some way of automatically fixing the code it generates to make it Python3 compat | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: that'd be nice. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | So if anyone wants to work that out, we could make the Python3 tests voting. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | #topic New architecture | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: how's the new DSE coming? | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210159/ | 00:51 |
| pballand | I’m made some progres, but have been a bit distracted | 00:52 |
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| pballand | currently trying to determine the best way to set up automated tests | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip put some together for the high availability work. | 00:53 |
| pballand | I’d love for the tests to work without a message bus, but seems like we’ll need to rely heavily on tempest | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs | I was about to say that it seemed awkward to do it within tempest. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | The Murano team just runs their own tests in the gate. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | So that would be something else to consider. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | If tempest makes things difficult. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | #topic Use cases | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | shivharis made some good progress on building a VM that includes our use cases. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | I got him a round of feedback. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | When he asks again, let's help him out. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | Running short on time. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | #topic Open discussion | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | ekao: you're new to the meeting. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | Mind introducing yourself and saying why you're interested in Congress? | 00:56 |
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| ekao | Cool. Yea my name is Eric Kao. New to Congress. Excited to contribute and help build it out. Looking forward to pushing the vision of declarative management. | 00:57 |
| ekao | Looking forward to learning a lot from all you guys. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | ekao: Glad to have you. | 00:58 |
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| su_zhang | welcome | 00:58 |
| zhenzan | welcome | 00:58 |
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| thinrichs | ekao attended the mid-cycle meet-up, so some of you may know him already. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | That's all the time for this week. | 00:59 |
| su_zhang | yep | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs | Sorry the agenda was jam-packed. | 00:59 |
| su_zhang | I am sure we talked during the mid-cycle meeting. | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs | I'll hang out in #congress for a few minutes, in case anyone has anything new. | 01:00 |
| ekao | yup, su_zhang | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Final thought: remember to be testing and helping out with the bugs and docs! | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 01:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-09-24-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-09-24-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-09-24-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
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| fifieldt | hello | 14:02 |
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| shamail | Hi! | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | hi! | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | let me see if I can find the right startmeeting code | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt | #startmeeting ops_tags | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 14:03:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_tags)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_tags' | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | ok, with luck, the minutes will be sent to the right place, unlike last time | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | roll call | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | anyone here for the ops tags meeting? | 14:03 |
| shamail | Present. | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | wohoo | 14:03 |
| jproulx | distracted but nearby... | 14:03 |
| shamail | The one who said I can't make it, lol. | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | thanks jproulx | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | looks like we don't have a maish today, oh well | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | On the agenda is: | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | 1. Planning our summit session | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | 2. Review of open reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/ops-tags-team,n,z ) | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | 3. Tag Brainstorming | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | does anyone want to manipulate the agenda before we begin? | 14:04 |
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| fifieldt | going once ... | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | going twice ... | 14:05 |
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| fifieldt | going three times ... | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | and, it looks like we're sold on the agenda! | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | great | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | so | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | #topic Planning out summit session | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning out summit session (Meeting topic: ops_tags)" | 14:05 | |
| fifieldt | If we look at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=1480678842 | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | we have a 40 minute slot on Tuesday at 3:40 - 4:20 | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | what, do you think we should be doing there? | 14:06 |
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| shamail | Is the intention to be a working session or update session? | 14:06 |
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| fifieldt | working session, however, given the relative low profile of our group, it might be good to start it with an update | 14:07 |
| shamail | I assume working but wanted to confirm | 14:07 |
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| shamail | +1 | 14:07 |
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| fifieldt | I guess one of the aims I hope for is that we drag some passers by into doing things with the group on an ongoing basis | 14:07 |
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| shamail | Agreed | 14:08 |
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| shamail | Starting with an update and how this group is building tags that are different from TC would be good | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | yup | 14:08 |
| shamail | Followed by tags proposed so far | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 14:08 |
| shamail | Which tags are left open? I think rally tag is moving to TC right? | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | oh eys, the rally tag is progressing well thanks to the rally team | 14:09 |
| shamail | I'd like to discuss the scale tag (or an alternative form) at the summit | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | here's our list: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/ops-tags-team,n,z | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | sounds nice to me | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | we could kick start that here, too | 14:10 |
| shamail | Ok, I'll throw out an idea when we get to agenda item #3 | 14:11 |
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| fifieldt | I would like to talk in general about 'maturity', and the various ways we can proxy it | 14:11 |
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| fifieldt | ok, thanks | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | so yes, it seems at the summit | 14:11 |
| shamail | fifieldt: +1 | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | 1. intro 2. tags proposed 3. tag work/brainstorming | 14:11 |
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| fifieldt | that good for our summit session? | 14:11 |
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| fifieldt | with an aim on increasing participation? | 14:11 |
| jproulx | soounds like that would well fill 40min | 14:11 |
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| shamail | I think that's good too | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | shamail, you're moderating, is that OK with you? | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | great | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | then I think we can move on to our second agenda topic | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | #topic Review of open reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/ops-tags-team,n,z ) | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of open reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/ops-tags-team,n,z ) (Meeting topic: ops_tags)" | 14:13 | |
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| fifieldt | so, an easy one first | 14:13 |
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| fifieldt | I went back and did the production-use data for juno | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223461/ | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | that one's probably good to go, since it's just data | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | no new tag | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | ya? | 14:14 |
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| shamail | I'll go through and review this weekend too | 14:14 |
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| fifieldt | cool | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | well, how about a new tag then: | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225539/ | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | sdk-support | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | it's pretty basic, just go through the list of SDKs that aren't dead, work out which projects they support, and count it up | 14:15 |
| * shamail is reading | 14:15 | |
| shamail | So just a count of SDKs versus languages etc? | 14:16 |
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| fifieldt | SDKs vs projects, ya | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | potential uses - approximating maturity - more SDKs supporting a project means it gets more use developing apps, or something | 14:17 |
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| shamail | Got it. What would be the benefit to the user? | 14:17 |
| shamail | Hah, you read my mind | 14:17 |
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| shamail | Makes sense, do you think we could expand to show API version covered too? | 14:18 |
| shamail | Or would that be troublesome? | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | certainly possible to extend it in a number of ways :) I was just starting simple | 14:18 |
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| fifieldt | actually working out the API support is a bit more complex than the project support, in my experience :) | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | I guess this is only useful in aggregate for now | 14:19 |
| shamail | It would be a lot more complex. | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | aye | 14:20 |
| shamail | Good starting point though, as you said, can be expanded later. | 14:20 |
| jproulx | since we're doing structured data would a list of which SDK these were be usefull? | 14:20 |
| jproulx | for example so you could filter on projects that were supported by your SDK or choice, or is that too much fo rnow? | 14:20 |
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| fifieldt | that might be a good extension | 14:21 |
| jproulx | maybe for round 2 | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | do you think we should merge the simple version first, then extend? | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | in followup patches, that is | 14:21 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1 | 14:21 |
| shamail | Yep!! | 14:21 |
| jproulx | I guess question to fifieldt would it be trivial to add now or would it be significant work? if we have the list why not expose it | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | not so trivial - some typing and checking for me :) | 14:22 |
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| jproulx | lets leave it for future work tehn. | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | okay | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | ok, well, swiftly looking at another one | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | medberry did containerizable | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214801/ | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | description is done and ready for review | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | the data doesn't exist yet | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | but we don't necessarily need it to to get the tag in ... | 14:23 |
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| fifieldt | any thoughts>? | 14:24 |
| shamail | I like this one | 14:25 |
| jproulx | is there any reason a service wouldn't be containerizable though? | 14:25 |
| shamail | The Kolla team has built 90 images for 5 distributions | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | actually, yes jproulx - some folks found some | 14:25 |
| shamail | Being able to capture which services has images available would be good | 14:25 |
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| fifieldt | can you say more shamail? I'm not familiar with that :D | 14:26 |
| jproulx | OK then. | 14:26 |
| shamail | Sure. I don't have much more but I can certainly get more info. | 14:26 |
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| fifieldt | that might be interesting :) | 14:26 |
| coolsvap | Kolla has containerized most core services for centos and ububtu | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | well, don't want to put you on the spot | 14:27 |
| shamail | When asking the PTLs for a liberty update, the Kolla team said they have built about 400 containerized services for OpenStack | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | ooh | 14:27 |
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| coolsvap | with source and binary both | 14:27 |
| shamail | I assume this is meaning a service is decomposed into multiple containers | 14:27 |
| coolsvap | yes | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | did they find any issues do you know coolsvap? | 14:27 |
| shamail | Furthermore they have done wit with Ubuntu, CentOS and 3 more distributions | 14:27 |
| shamail | So 90 * 5 images | 14:27 |
| jproulx | so does this basicly mean Kolla-ised? else how do we know if some randome site is using it ocntainerized in production | 14:28 |
| coolsvap | shamail, yes | 14:28 |
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| fifieldt | I found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1226855 | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1226855 in lxc (Ubuntu) "Cannot use open-iscsi inside LXC container" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| coolsvap | currently most services can be build | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | no iscsi inside containers | 14:28 |
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| coolsvap | we are working on getting all services functional by liberty | 14:28 |
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| coolsvap | most services are already functional | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | if everything works flawlessly, then maybe this tag isn't needed | 14:28 |
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| coolsvap | and we can actually create openstack | 14:29 |
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| fifieldt | were there any major issues coolsvap? | 14:29 |
| coolsvap | deployment using containers | 14:29 |
| coolsvap | using kolla | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | like that iscsi one? | 14:29 |
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| coolsvap | neutron, cinder occassionally fail | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | but it seems fixable? | 14:29 |
| coolsvap | sometimes due to dependency updates and some issue are still sorted out | 14:29 |
| coolsvap | yes | 14:29 |
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| fifieldt | ok, cool | 14:29 |
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| shamail | coolsvap: Is it implied that the conatiners are running in privileged mode? Are we going to test in unpriv too (that might nake the # of services that can run containerized a bit less. | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | ah, that might be it, yeah | 14:30 |
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| fifieldt | medberry's patch has that as a flag | 14:30 |
| coolsvap | shamail, some containers need priv mode | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | approx 50%, 75% 25%? | 14:30 |
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| jproulx | 'privileged' is an optional attribute in the proposed tag BTW | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | aye | 14:31 |
| coolsvap | fifieldt, i can give you exact update in a while | 14:31 |
| shamail | Is that identified or would that be good data to add to tag? (Requires priv) | 14:31 |
| shamail | Awesome | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | that would be great coolsvap | 14:31 |
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| jproulx | privileged - optional flag indicating that the service only works within a privileged container | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | coolsvap, would you be able to just dump it either on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214801 or the ops mailing list - whatever works best for you? | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | that would be great information to have if you;'ve got it | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | since we can tell ops of the good work you' | 14:32 |
| shamail | I got some reading to do | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | ve | 14:32 |
| coolsvap | sure will do | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | being doing | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | thanks! | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | ok, we;'ve had a good discussion on this one | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | what else is on the list? | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | ops:ha https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200128/ | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | It looks like maish just needs to update that one based on the feedback | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | but please do add your own feedback if you have not seen it yet | 14:32 |
| shamail | Fifeldt: so i was thinking starting with Kolla images makes sense. Can discuss further at summit. | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | excellent | 14:33 |
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| fifieldt | ops:packaged (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186633/ ) still has one dissenting view, but no achievable proposal to fix it | 14:33 |
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| fifieldt | I'm just about ready to add the basics for liberty for ops:packaged | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | would be nice to get the tag description signed off before that :) | 14:34 |
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| shamail | How does this fit with the packaging discussion at the last ops summit? Is this alluding to packages created by community or ones that are available already? | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | basically just for available ones | 14:35 |
| shamail | I apologize again, I got reading to do. :) | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | just giving a general state for each project | 14:35 |
| shamail | That's a good starting point. I'll review it soon. | 14:35 |
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| fifieldt | ok, cheers | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | that rounds out our list | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | would anyone like to add anything on any of the open reviews before we move on? | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | going once ... | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | going twice ... | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | going three times ... | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | and .. | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | #topic Tag brainstorming | 14:37 |
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| fifieldt | shamail, you mentioned ideas! | 14:38 |
| fifieldt | ideas are excellent :) | 14:38 |
| shamail | Sure | 14:38 |
| shamail | So I was thinking about the discussion on scale | 14:38 |
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| shamail | I think on the ML (or review maybe) it was deemed hard to capture | 14:38 |
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| shamail | So I wanted to propose an alternate: top50deployed, top20deloyrd | 14:38 |
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| shamail | Using data from the user survey, tag services that over 50% of the respondents are using | 14:39 |
| shamail | Or 89% | 14:39 |
| shamail | 80%* | 14:39 |
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| shamail | This would give three tiers of adoption data and adds a dimension to giving hints about maturity | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | are we talking about scale here? | 14:40 |
| shamail | That's was the idea | 14:40 |
| j_king | definition of scale? | 14:40 |
| shamail | Not really scale, more about deployment adoption | 14:40 |
| j_king | better, ty. | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | ok, so it's the user survey adoption data, unioned with like # of nodes or something | 14:40 |
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| fifieldt | ? | 14:40 |
| shamail | Starting point being adoption data | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | we have the adoption data as a tag already | 14:40 |
| shamail | We could then discuss enhancements to add scale dimension with nodes etx | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | let me link | 14:40 |
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| fifieldt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189168/ | 14:41 |
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| fifieldt | if you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189168/3/kilo/ops-production-use.json | 14:41 |
| jproulx | perhaps is we define 'big site' we could get % of big sites using a project? | 14:41 |
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| fifieldt | aye | 14:41 |
| shamail | Makes sense. | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | but what is big site :) | 14:41 |
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| jproulx | exactly, talk to large doploymnets wg? | 14:41 |
| shamail | We could use large deployment teams definitions | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | is it # of nodes, # of TB, # of datacentres, # of users? | 14:41 |
| shamail | They use # nodes | 14:42 |
| j_king | amount of network traffic, latency, etc | 14:42 |
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| j_king | storage volume, throughput | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | so, two ways we can do this, I guess | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | we can either come up with some thresholds based on the metrics we just listed | 14:43 |
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| fifieldt | or we can choose some deployments by name that "everyone" agrees are large scale | 14:43 |
| jproulx | I think nodes is a reasonable proxy for most of this in the interest of simplification | 14:43 |
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| fifieldt | jproulx, but I have 256 core nodes :( | 14:43 |
| shamail | I think Large Deploy starts at 1000 nodes today | 14:44 |
| j_king | "nodes" is too abstract. :) | 14:44 |
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| fifieldt | (joking - just pointing out the challenge) | 14:44 |
| shamail | j_king: agree | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | ok, so what I'm seeing is we ask LDT for help with this ? | 14:44 |
| shamail | fifieldt: +1 | 14:44 |
| fifieldt | cool | 14:45 |
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| fifieldt | seems like a way forward on that one? | 14:45 |
| jproulx | well I do think we should refer to 'large deployment team' for consistency if at all possible | 14:45 |
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| shamail | On the adoption topic, I skimmed the existing tag... I guess what I was proposing would be an enhancement | 14:45 |
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| shamail | Instead of just capturing adoption %, we should build tiers 50, 80% so it is simpler to see a collection of services that meet a threshold. | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | enhancements also good :) | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | I think that we can do that in the presentation layer | 14:46 |
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| shamail | It's possible to build grouping with actual values but I don't know if exact values provide any additional value | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | but keep the data as a continuum | 14:46 |
| shamail | fifieldt: +1 | 14:46 |
| shamail | Wanted to keep it simple at presentation late yet | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | it kinda leads to my pet topic for today | 14:46 |
| shamail | Layer* | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | which is if we want to make something at a higher layer, collating a bunch of things, to invent a term "maturity" | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | what would we collate? | 14:47 |
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| fifieldt | we have *production usage, * # SDKs, * packaged, * install guide | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | what else goes in that bucket of bits we can sum to some magic maturity level? | 14:47 |
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| shamail | Has diverse affiliation tag | 14:47 |
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| shamail | I assume maturity could use both ops and TC tags | 14:48 |
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| fifieldt | yup | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | open floor here to include anything :) but we're the guys making the ops tags, so that's where I put more of my focus :) | 14:48 |
| shamail | Are there metrics on bug triage or close average times? | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | they exist | 14:49 |
| shamail | How long issues are outstanding | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | I am not sure how useful they are to be honest :( | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | some projects leave bugs open for a looonnnggg time :) | 14:49 |
| jproulx | to me 'mature' also implies a lower change velocity and something about live upgradability...not sure we capture either (upgrades especially important not so sure about change rate) | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | worth investigating though | 14:49 |
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| fifieldt | upgradabilkity is an interesting one | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | I put a call on the ML to see about that recently | 14:51 |
| shamail | jproulx: rolling upgrade support could be tracked by whether projects have adopted things like versioned objects and RPC messaging | 14:51 |
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| fifieldt | medberry signed up, but I think he might need prodding | 14:51 |
| jproulx | shamail +1 | 14:51 |
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| fifieldt | this is true | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | but what about "my database took 30 hours to run the migrations" | 14:51 |
| j_king | 'mature' also means, to me, that if you put "scalable" on the tin then there are numbers to go along with it. | 14:52 |
| j_king | do any operators share their telemetry or metrics? | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | so like rax has 100-600 hosts per cell in nova | 14:52 |
| jproulx | fifieldt is my database usable for the 30hr it's migrating? if it's because it's doing lazy updates I don't care if it's off line I care very much | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | exactly | 14:53 |
| j_king | we've been finding interesting behaviours of certain services we can only find "at scale" | 14:53 |
| shamail | j_king: none that I am aware of.. It would be interesting to have a data set to build a predictive model. | 14:53 |
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| j_king | race conditions and such | 14:53 |
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| shamail | jproulx: +1 and this is where being able to leverage an older scheme comes handy for services. | 14:53 |
| shamail | Schema* | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | I agree it would be nice to have but, we spend about an hour talking about a scalability tag last ops meetup and came to the conclusion to have a tag that sums it up | 14:54 |
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| fifieldt | "The end conclusion was that whether a service scales or not is extremely complex information and has an associated decision making process that means it isn't possible to condense into a tag or even a few tags. The only real way to do this is to provide information about example deployments (eg rax, cern) " | 14:54 |
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| fifieldt | so we can't talk about scalability directly as a single tag | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | we can only infer it from some other things | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | upgradability on the other hand is simpler to do | 14:54 |
| shamail | yep and factors into the maturity umbrella | 14:55 |
| j_king | fifieldt: agreed. it'd be nice to have some ballpark figures for various services. | 14:55 |
| j_king | given their wide range of configurations it's impossible of course. :) | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | aye :) | 14:55 |
| shamail | I think building as much information into maturity is a good starting point. If/when we solve the scalability tag challenge, it would be a nice addition to maturity. | 14:55 |
| jproulx | I think large deployment utilization is best proxy we can get for scales at this time | 14:55 |
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| fifieldt | anyway, aside from scale and upgradability | 14:56 |
| shamail | Sounds like an action item before the summit. :) | 14:56 |
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| fifieldt | anything else you can think of that is maturity? | 14:56 |
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| shamail | Someone needs to talk to LDT | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | aye | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | anyone want to sign up for that? | 14:57 |
| j_king | anyone notice that the maintenance ML almost always reports build failures for stable packages? | 14:57 |
| * fifieldt does :| | 14:57 | |
| fifieldt | we have 3 minutes left in this meeting | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | closing ideas? takeaway actions? | 14:57 |
| shamail | diverse-affiliation, branching | 14:57 |
| j_king | No build failures in X days! | 14:57 |
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| shamail | I'll think about additional ops tags for maturity | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | cheers | 14:58 |
| shamail | I'll take the action item | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | #action shamail to think | 14:58 |
| shamail | Talk to LDT | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | #action shamail to talk to LDT | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:59 |
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| fifieldt | well, thank you all very much | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | I guess we'll see you on the mailing list | 14:59 |
| j_king | thank you. :) | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | post lots before the summit | 14:59 |
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| fifieldt | tell your friends about us :) | 14:59 |
| shamail | 😬 Fifeldt. Thanks for the reminder, sometimes I forget to think and go into streaming mode. | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | and keep cool! | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 14:59:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ops_tags.2015-09-24-14.03.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ops_tags.2015-09-24-14.03.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ops_tags.2015-09-24-14.03.log.html | 14:59 |
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| shamail | Take care all! | 15:00 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 15:01:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
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| nadya | \o/ | 15:02 |
| r-mibu | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | let's start | 15:02 |
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| gordc | #topic liberty rc1 final countdown | 15:03 |
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| gordc | last few minutes of rc1. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | here's what we've commited for rc1 https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | if anyone has any issues they've noticed in last few hours, please let me know now. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | if not, a huge thanks to everyone for testing. | 15:04 |
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| gordc | i'll tag rc1 after meeting | 15:04 |
| ildikov | \o/ :) | 15:04 |
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| gordc | llu-laptop: the only real item i've tracked is that the integration tests are spewing notimplemetederrors because of gnocchi | 15:05 |
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| gordc | i don't know if you have a fix for this... i'm worried notimplementederrors are hiding real errors... | 15:06 |
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| sileht | gordc, I proposed to just hide it, this is the only driver that doesn't use events | 15:07 |
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| llu-laptop | gordc: do you mean the separate sample/event in the dipatcher? | 15:07 |
| gordc | sileht: yeah. i think that might be the easier fix. | 15:07 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: right | 15:07 |
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| llu-laptop | currently I don't have one. But i can try to cook one tommorrow if needed | 15:08 |
| gordc | sileht: maybe let's do a quick patch to just pass events for now... and we can develop a proper solutoin in Mitaka | 15:08 |
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| sileht | I have restored my fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219155/ | 15:08 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: no rush. we can think about it bit more... we really don't have a complete story on how to work gnocchi with events right now | 15:08 |
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| gordc | sileht: cool cool. last item in. | 15:09 |
| gordc | thanks folks. | 15:10 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:10 |
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| gordc | anything important? we just had a single bug fix... i assume it's not super important | 15:11 |
| gordc | i take silence as i'm right. | 15:11 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:11 |
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| gordc | sileht: jd__? anything interesting? | 15:12 |
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| sileht | I think gnocchiclient is ready for a first release | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | yup | 15:12 |
| jd__ | will probably do that tomorrow | 15:12 |
| gordc | sileht: nice. can't wait to remove temp code from ceilometer :) | 15:13 |
| jd__ | other than that, nothing exciting I'm still waiting for someone to review my async metric deletion patch | 15:13 |
| gordc | jd__: ack | 15:13 |
| gordc | the next topic is slightly related. | 15:13 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer mentoring | 15:14 |
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| gordc | so we have a person who's interested in contributing to Ceilometer via OPW. | 15:14 |
| gordc | they're interest appears to be in Gnocchi. | 15:14 |
| jd__ | really? | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | I talked with vkmc yesterday and I had the impression it was not the case yet :) | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | but good news if that's the case | 15:15 |
| gordc | jd__: i didn't ask exactly what part but someone (i assume as OPW candidate) asked about gnocchi specifically. | 15:15 |
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| gordc | if anyone has interest in volunteering please step up. | 15:15 |
| jd__ | if it's about Gnocchi I'll be | 15:16 |
| vkmc | hi all, we are carrying a list of applicants/mentors here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/outreachy | 15:16 |
| gordc | jd__: cool! i'll be happy to help out as well if it requires too much of your time | 15:16 |
| gordc | vkmc: thanks! we'll probably aim to fill it out next week? | 15:17 |
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| nadya | jd__: ask her about Influx :) maybe we may apply new blood there | 15:17 |
| jd__ | nadya: :) | 15:17 |
| vkmc | gordc, thanks, sounds good | 15:17 |
| ildikov | hmm, we have quite a few names with Ceilometer :) | 15:17 |
| gordc | ildikov: nice. | 15:18 |
| gordc | i guess we can brainstorm about potential work items and add it to etherpad when ready | 15:18 |
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| gordc | nadya: want to create an etherpad to brainstorm on? | 15:18 |
| ildikov | vkmc: is it one person per project? | 15:19 |
| nadya | gordc: yep! now? :) | 15:19 |
| gordc | nadya: as you like | 15:19 |
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| nadya | we will put some ideas here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/opw-gnocchi-related-items | 15:20 |
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| gordc | nadya: thanks! | 15:21 |
| gordc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/opw-gnocchi-related-items | 15:21 |
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| gordc | let's move on i guess. | 15:22 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer operators survey | 15:22 |
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| nijaba_ | #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mYPFtvAYPtjhTQcLY27dAOpLX1ccsU5mGg9AuQ_X_zw/viewform | 15:23 |
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| nijaba_ | people can test out the survey there | 15:23 |
| gordc | nijaba_: beat me to it | 15:23 |
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| nijaba_ | comments are very welcome | 15:23 |
| nijaba_ | but other than future comment, I think we are ready | 15:23 |
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| jd__ | cool! | 15:24 |
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| gordc | nijaba_: i'm ok with how it is | 15:24 |
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| gordc | nijaba_: will you be passing it on to anyone(group) in particular? | 15:24 |
| ildikov | nice one! | 15:24 |
| gordc | right now i'm intending to pass it to product wg and jasonamyers | 15:25 |
| nijaba_ | gordc: I think the operator group is our first target | 15:25 |
| nadya | nijaba_: is there any limit about configuration? | 15:25 |
| gordc | nijaba_: sure. would you like me to send the email? | 15:25 |
| nijaba_ | but I will make sure this is relayed as widely as possible | 15:25 |
| gordc | to operators ML | 15:25 |
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| nadya | nijaba_: I mean, may we add more questions | 15:25 |
| nijaba_ | gordc: I'll prepare an email for you if you want | 15:26 |
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| nijaba_ | nadya: sure, we can add more quetions | 15:26 |
| nijaba_ | but we need to not make the survey too long | 15:26 |
| gordc | nijaba_: as you like. just wondering how we'd divide so we dont' send to same places. | 15:26 |
| nadya | nijaba_: I would add something about events | 15:26 |
| nijaba_ | gordc: you are more legitimate than me for cross group disucssion, so I can prep an email that you will shoot | 15:27 |
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| gordc | nijaba_: will do. | 15:27 |
| nijaba_ | nadya: sounds great. Feel like adding your proposed question to the etherpad? | 15:27 |
| gordc | nadya: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-operator-questions | 15:27 |
| nadya | nijaba_: and alarms... Maybe "what additional features do you use: 1. events 2. alarms" | 15:27 |
| nijaba_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-operator-questions | 15:27 |
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| nadya | awesome, thank you, folks! | 15:28 |
| gordc | did you need time to think about it more? we can target next week to announce if you need time. | 15:28 |
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| nijaba_ | ok, so once nadya as added her question, I'll send an email that gordon can spread within openstack | 15:28 |
| nijaba_ | and we all can tweet and whatever from this | 15:28 |
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| gordc | nijaba_: sounds like a plan. thanks for the help. | 15:29 |
| nijaba_ | my pleasure | 15:29 |
| gordc | nadya: just let us know when you're ready with questions. | 15:29 |
| nadya | gordc: yep, start doing now... | 15:30 |
| gordc | nadya: kk | 15:30 |
| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:30 |
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| gordc | final countdown. | 15:32 |
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| gordc | cool. short meeting. thanks again everyone for the testing/fixing. | 15:32 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 15:33:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-09-24-15.01.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-09-24-15.01.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-09-24-15.01.log.html | 15:33 |
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| janonymous | clarissa_ : are you using some type of api like amazon.. | 15:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | o/ | 16:00 |
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| sripriya | o/ | 16:01 |
| tbh | o/ | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram | good morning tackers! | 16:01 |
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| bobh | o/ | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram | lets start... | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 16:02:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair bobh | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bobh sridhar_ram | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:02 |
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| vishwanathj | present | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | please enter your name | 16:03 |
| bobh | present | 16:03 |
| sripriya | sripriya | 16:03 |
| vishwanathj | vishwanathj | 16:03 |
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| bobh | bobh | 16:03 |
| * sridhar_ram trying something new like other meeting :) | 16:03 | |
| tbh | tbh | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks! | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcement | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Mitaka OpenStack Summit - just a month away | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | Started this etherpad to plan for our summit events ... | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tacker-design-summit | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tacker-design-summit | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | Please enter your name if you are planning to be there in Tokyo | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | We can work on topics of interest to discuss in next few weeks to prepare for a productive tacker design summit | 16:06 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: did we get a slot in design summit? | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: no, only governance projects gets official slots | 16:08 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ok | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | we got plan something adhoc among ourselves .. I'll start a doodle poll to pick a timeslot to chose and meet | 16:09 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sounds good | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | meanwhile, as mentioned in the etherpad, we *might* also get a BoF session on Tuesday 12:05 | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | any other general news / heads up related to tacker ? | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | btw, here is the Agenda :) #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Sep_24.2C_2015 | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | .. for today's meeting | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Liberty Release Status | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: tbh: do you want to give a quick update on health-monitoring ? | 16:12 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I pushed the framework last night - it works as a complete replacement of the existing ping mechanism and also will translate existing templates that use ping into the new driver format | 16:13 |
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| * sridhar_ram likes the rhyming irc handles for this tacker health-monitor subteam :) | 16:13 | |
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| bobh | also fixed the problem with monitoring hanging after a respawn - the thread was waiting on a lock it already had | 16:13 |
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| bobh | Please review and provide feedback - I'm sure there are optimizations that need to be made | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: cool, I was suspecting a run-away lock as well | 16:14 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: and deploying a new VNF while the monitor was locked would lock up the whole server | 16:14 |
| bobh | #link https://review.openstack.org/224384 | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I see, that's nasty | 16:15 |
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| bobh | looking forward to all comments - I'm sure I have a lot to learn :-) | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: I'm sure we will have a productive review cycle...! | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | team - please help out | 16:16 |
| tbh | I am updating docs | 16:16 |
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| tbh | And will modify http ping driver to test | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: http-ping is important - as it will validate the new loadable health-mon framework | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | in fact I was thinking if we need to leave a sample_health_mon driver that would .. say send event back to main tacker server and have it react to it | 16:18 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram: yeah I am syncing with ping driver | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | btw, I realized currently the only valid action we have is "respawn" | 16:19 |
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| tbh | Yeah | 16:19 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: There is also a "log_and_kill" | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | how easy it is to add a "log" action ? | 16:19 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Though if it's already dead not sure why we need to kill it... | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: that's cool, why kill ? | 16:20 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: It was there already - I just left it in place :-) | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I see :) | 16:20 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: Would be nice to add a heat stack action-check / stack-update | 16:21 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: that adds some additional complexity and relies on Kilo heat | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm thinking bit generic where a health-mon driver captures a non-catastrophic event | 16:21 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: That's easy to add | 16:21 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'll consider that the first comment | 16:22 |
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| s3wong | hello | 16:22 |
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| s3wong | for some reason, my xchat client on mac couldn't connect to freenode | 16:22 |
| s3wong | so I am now on webclient... | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: there you go.. you got the first comment already .. without looking at the code :) | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi there | 16:22 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: pretty impressive | 16:23 |
| * sridhar_ram in the clouds .. | 16:23 | |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: bobh: are you planning some unit testcase as well ? | 16:24 |
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| s3wong | seems like freenode is having some problem (just dropped a bunch of people apparently) | 16:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yep | 16:25 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I'd like to add at least a few - I'll take a look at the test unit framework | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: sure, look at the MANO api for guidance.. | 16:25 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: will do | 16:25 |
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| sripriya | bobh: o/ i can help | 16:26 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Thanks! | 16:26 |
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| bobh | sripriya: sorry - thanks! | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on... | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Liberty Deadlines | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | just a quick assessment of the where we are ... | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | we were shooting for 9/25 as the date to shoot for as the target.. | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | I think we have most of things in .. atleast in the review queue. so I'm happy | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | obviously we need some more time to finish the reviews before we can merge | 16:29 |
| sripriya | +1 | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | Lets shoot for next Friday to land most of the items ... | 16:30 |
| bobh | +1 | 16:30 |
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| sripriya | +1 again | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | we also need a solid bug fix cycle / spring before we can pull a stable/liberty branch | 16:32 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 16:32 |
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| bobh | +1 | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | s/spring/sprint/ | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | we can plan a 2-week Oct 4 - 16 bug sprint and pull the stable/liberty at the end of it... | 16:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | too late ? just enough ? | 16:34 |
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| bobh | sounds good to me | 16:34 |
| vishwanathj | agree with bobh | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | ack back .. lets go w/ that then | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | I don't see prashantD here | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | he is still working thru' the auto-scaling spec and related investigations.. | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | it is unlikely that would land in Liberty .. we need to move to mitaka | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'll work w/ prashantD to re-propose the auto-scaling spec for Mitaka and continue the efforts in the master post stable/liberty | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | meanwhile I'm looking for s3wong to finish the MANO api review ... | 16:38 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yes, should happen around tomorrow | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to land that first / early so that bobh can absorb the changes early enough | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: thanks! | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | any other questions on general upcoming deadlines / milestones ? | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Bug Sprint | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | I would request an all-hands on deck bug sprint over next 2 - 3 weeks... | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | here is the list of unassigned bugs.. | 16:40 |
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| * sridhar_ram quickly creating a bitly as the url is huge | 16:40 | |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://bit.ly/1G4Z9Rq | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm planning to join the bug sprint as well and squash as many of them as possible :) | 16:41 |
| shrinathsuresh | Hello Sridhar | 16:42 |
| bobh | sripriya: there might be some overlap in the "create fails" bugs | 16:42 |
| shrinathsuresh | am working on #1489189 | 16:42 |
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| shrinathsuresh | almost in completion stage.. | 16:42 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: does this include RFE bugs? | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | shrinathsuresh: hi, sounds good... keep the fixed coming! | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: agree, the root cause might be the same | 16:43 |
| sripriya | bobh: let me take a look at them | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: no, we should focus mostly on real functional bugs instance of enhancements | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | *instead | 16:44 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ok | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | btw - should we announce a Bug Squasher MVP award .. to be given in the summit ? :) | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move on.. while the team thinks abt it | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Documentation | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | I think we will have some decent devrefs at the end of this release ... | 16:46 |
| vishwanathj | I will add some devrefs | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | a bit more official doc.openstack.org level docs is something we can shoot for the next release | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: sounds good.. | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | meanwhile any ideas how can we bring the features like health-mon and parameterization .. to our user community | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | should we have some stop gap wiki pages - based on devrefs ? | 16:47 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: agree, i had already thought about that | 16:48 |
| bobh | sripriya: Probably some example templates that show different options and configurations would help | 16:48 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: Now I've made the same mistake both ways | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: perhaps there is a .rst to html converter ? | 16:48 |
| vishwanathj | per sripriya and santosh suggestion, I plan to add some example vnfd templates and param value files to devstack/samples directory for the parametirazation feature | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: cool, that would help | 16:49 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i need to dig in a bit on that, i can get back to you | 16:49 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: agree, we haven't focused on documenting the tacker.conf much | 16:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: thanks! | 16:50 |
| bobh | vishwanathj: exactly what I was thinking | 16:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | I can take up documenting tacker.conf | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | #action sridhar_ram to document tacker.conf in tacker wiki | 16:51 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: Should we look at removing servicevm references from tacker.conf? | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | #action vishwanathj to add example vnfd templates and param value files to devstack/samples directory for the parametirazation feature | 16:51 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: as part of bug squashing sprint, we can take up some more cleaning up of tacker ? | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sure, that's fair to take it up.. | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh_: btw, if your health-mon tasks are done .. please join the bug sprint! | 16:52 |
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| * sridhar_ram notes 8 mins left | 16:53 | |
| * sridhar_ram .. 7 mins | 16:53 | |
| sridhar_ram | also anyone joining tacker .. this is a nice away to start! | 16:53 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i will take up some tacker housekeeping tasks | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: thanks! | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Gate Testing | 16:54 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I have a backlog of bugs that I'll clean up | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: much appreciate your efforts! | 16:54 |
| * sripriya looking at bobh for the bug squash award :-) | 16:55 | |
| sridhar_ram | on gate testing .. we now have a experimental gate job for Tacker | 16:55 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: sripriya: Award is a trip to Tokya Disneyland :-) | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: :) | 16:55 |
| tbh_ | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: let me think abt sponsoring it ! | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | back to gate-testing .. the tests run 'tox -e functional' | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | do don't be surprised if you see me adding 'check experimental' in your patchsets.. | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | there are still some kinks .. I'm working w/ the infra team.. | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | they are quite helpful | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | any questions on that ? | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else ? | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | alright .. lets wrap! | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks all! | 16:58 |
| bobh | bye all | 16:59 |
| sripriya | thanks everyone, bye! | 16:59 |
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| shrinathsuresh | bye | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 16:59:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-09-24-16.02.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-09-24-16.02.txt | 16:59 |
| Rajkumar_ | bye | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-09-24-16.02.log.html | 16:59 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 17:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:00 |
| jordanP | o/ | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_September_24th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:01 |
| ylobankov | hi | 17:01 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf, sdague, dtroyer, mkoderer, dkranz: around? | 17:02 |
| dkranz | o/ | 17:02 |
| timello | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ok, lets get started | 17:02 |
| rfolco | o/ | 17:02 |
| ddeva | o/ | 17:03 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit Prep | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit Prep (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:03 | |
| mtreinish | so with the tokyo summit coming up pretty soon I created the etherpad to brainstorm ideas: | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-summit-topics | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | if you've got an idea for a session topic just add it onto the etherpad | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | we'll probably take a meeting in a couple of weeks to discuss which sessions we'll have | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | that was all I really had on this one :) | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss on this topic? | 17:05 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I see I already have a session :D | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | yes, you do :) | 17:05 |
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| jordanP | :D | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: it could be worse, oomichi_ already has 2... | 17:05 |
| andreaf | heh | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there isn't anything else lets move on | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an open spec review to discuss? | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | there haven't been any changes there in a couple weeks so I doubt there are any | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Tempest | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:09 | |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have anything to discuss on tempest this week? | 17:09 |
| jordanP | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226375/ :) | 17:09 |
| jordanP | Py 2.6 | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: sigh... | 17:09 |
| jordanP | :D | 17:09 |
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| jordanP | my point is, we should have been more conservative when dropping 2.6 | 17:10 |
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| jordanP | Juno is compatible with 2.6, Juno is still supported, so Tempest should be 2.6 compatible | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: we dropped it over a cycle ago | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | and juno is eol in like a month | 17:11 |
| jordanP | this is the cost of being branchless, we must be conservative even in master branch | 17:11 |
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| jordanP | sure, but so far the only 2.7 feature we leverage is dict comprehension... | 17:11 |
| dkranz | jordanP: branchless tempest means we run against older clouds I thought | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: right, it's only compat for running against older clouds, no co-installable with older clouds | 17:12 |
| jordanP | yes. I agree this argument was a bit invalid | 17:12 |
| dkranz | jordanP: So why can't you run tempest on a 2.7 node even if cloud is 2.6? | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | you cant install tempest master on an all in one juno box the python reqs are incompatible | 17:12 |
| jordanP | no. It works | 17:13 |
| SamD | +1 dkranz | 17:13 |
| jordanP | dkranz, because I want to install everything on the same box | 17:13 |
| jordanP | using devstack | 17:13 |
| jordanP | for my 3rd party ci | 17:14 |
| dkranz | jordanP: run tempest in a container :) | 17:14 |
| jordanP | lol | 17:14 |
| dwalleck | I've started running Tempest in docker just to avoid Python version and similar issues | 17:14 |
| dkranz | I was only half joking | 17:14 |
| jordanP | but all it takes is a 8 line change to not use dict comprehension | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well my suggestion was leverage the openstack cloud under test to spin up a vm and run tempest from that | 17:14 |
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| jordanP | I don"t want to learn kubernetes and what no :) | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: I thought there were more issues on py26 back when we dropped the support | 17:15 |
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| jordanP | well, with this small patch, testr --list-tests works (I didn"t run a full tempest run) | 17:16 |
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| jordanP | ok, this is taking too much time on this meeting. let's move on | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: that's part of it too we don't run any tests on py26 anywhere so we can never really know if it really works | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: ok :) | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else to discuss on tempest this week? | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then lets move on | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer, sdague: anything new from the land of devstack this week? | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone else have anything to discuss on devstack this week? | 17:20 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I've got a devstack review :) it's not critical but it would be nice to have - it's for devstack with the v3 policy file: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222038/1 | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222038/1 | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | ok cool, that's probably a good thing to start doing | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: do we have a patch up that uses the v3 policy file anywhere? | 17:22 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: good question | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | because I've seen a bunch of fixes lately for that, but it would be good to test with it somewhere | 17:24 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: probably yes but I need to look for it | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | ok cool | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | we can dig into that after the meeting | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on devstack? | 17:24 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I know the keystone folks are also working on it, but I'll make sure we have one | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets move on | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss about grenade? | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | heh, I guess not :) | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | then let's move on | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | #topic OpenStack Health | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: you put this on the agenda, so I'll let you run with it :) | 17:28 |
| * andreaf welcomes the new entry :) | 17:28 | |
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| jtrovo | cool topic :) | 17:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: heh I thought we could use this space to discuss about current status and important reviews | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | there is wip on the puppet module to deploy openstack-health | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226545/ | 17:29 |
| jtrovo | we've been working on getting openstack-health deployed this week and also on some parts of the rest api | 17:29 |
| andreaf | that's to get the repo in | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | also, for people who haven't seen the new repo openstack-health is the project to try and get an overview dashboard of the state of test runs in the gate (and periodic too) | 17:29 |
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| jordanP | mtreinish, is there a demo somewhere ? | 17:30 |
| jordanP | it's new to me | 17:30 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: not yet a running demo I believe | 17:30 |
| ccarrara_ | we've also had some progress on puppet-openstack-health, just waiting the repo creation to commit it. | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: not yet, the most right now is some mock pages up in the docs dir: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-health | 17:31 |
| andreaf | jordanP: it started during the QA sprint | 17:31 |
| jordanP | is it linked to stackviz ? | 17:31 |
| jordanP | or is it the same thing ? | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | jordanP: there are some wip patches up that let you do things locally, but it needs doc updates to explain how to do that | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: right now they're 2 separate things | 17:32 |
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| dwalleck | Sounds interesting | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | jordanP: although at some point we might integrate stackviz as a view for a single run | 17:32 |
| andreaf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PuDfHylBgI | 17:32 |
| andreaf | jordanP, dwalleck: ^^^ that's a good starting point | 17:33 |
| jordanP | indeed. interesting | 17:33 |
| andreaf | jordanP, dwalleck: and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192253/ | 17:33 |
| andreaf | jordanP, dwalleck: you're very welcome to contribute! | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | so just to come back to the status | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | I've got subunit2sql patches up for review to add db apis needed for the rest side | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | and wip patches up to openstack-health to use those | 17:34 |
| dwalleck | thanks, I'll have a look | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | it sounds like timothyb89 and others (I can't remember all the other irc nicks) are working on getting the js frontend to properly talk to the rest api | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | and the puppet repo to deploy is still waiting on project-config approval | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | oh and jhesketh has patches to work on getting a zuul mysql reporter added so we can leverage that as an additional data source | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | did I miss anything? | 17:36 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: one thing I wanted to ask - but perhaps it's more an openstack-infra question - is where are we going to run it | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: so when I discussed it with jhesketh before we'll likely have to get another server added to infra for the rest api piece | 17:37 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: do we need an extra VM somewhere and what's the process to provision it | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | which will come with the system-config patch | 17:37 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok - I'll add that as a todo on the etherpad | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: it's pretty simple, but you need someone with infra-root to do the server deploy | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | that'll happen right before the system-config patch is merged because they'll need to add the server info into hiera | 17:38 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on this topic? | 17:39 |
| ccarrara_ | mtreinish: are you thinking to deploy openstack-health api and frontend separately? | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | ccarrara_: I hadn't really thought about it too much, but probably not | 17:39 |
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| ccarrara_ | ok, thanks. | 17:39 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: will it be running within the status.openstack.org name? | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | I was just saying because of the expected amount of traffic for the rest api that'll need it's own server | 17:40 |
| jtrovo | mtreinish probably it would be great to have the patches of subunit2sql that openstack-health depends on listed somewhere so we can keep a tracking of it | 17:40 |
| SamD | I would think that you would want logical seperation of the API and the UI code base/logic but where deployed shouldn't matter aside from load right?? | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | whether we host the frontend from there or not doesn't really matter | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yes probably | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | jtrovo: all of them are in: | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/subunit2sql+branch:master+topic:add-db-api-tests,n,z | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | I had to make it a giant branch for rebase concerns | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | SamD: right | 17:41 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: one last thing on this topic, is about extending the scope to the periodic tests | 17:42 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: is this a good conversation to have in the openstack-infra meeting? I wanted to move forward on that and not wait for the summit | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: sure I think we can bring it up during the infra meeting | 17:43 |
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| mtreinish | there is a larger discussion there because there is a seperation of concerns on the DB | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | right now it has value not just for a dashboard but also from a test analysis side | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | and if we start adding things from outside the gate that potentially gets diluted | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | ok, anywat I think we should move on | 17:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: that's all I had I think | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have any reviews that they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:46 |
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| dwalleck | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212691/ - I want my tests to run on Irix! :D | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | dwalleck: heh, I can't blame you for that. I miss my indigo cube sometimes | 17:47 |
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| SamD | and my TRS-80 | 17:47 |
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| jordanP | dwalleck, thanks for this patch. i remember when you opened this bug in launchpad | 17:48 |
| jordanP | it's good you made it | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212691/ | 17:48 |
| dwalleck | Thanks! | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | ok, are there any other patches this week? | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/216873 | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | that's a migration from tempest -> tempest-lib of the idempotent_id decorator stuff | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there aren't any other reviews to bring up today lets open the floor | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any topics they'd like to discuss which weren't on the agenda? | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there isn't anything else I guess we'll end here today | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 17:52:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-09-24-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-09-24-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-09-24-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
| dwalleck | thanks! | 17:52 |
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| daneyon | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 18:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: container-networking)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:00 |
| daneyon | Agenda | 18:00 |
| daneyon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda | 18:00 |
| daneyon | I'll give everyone a minute to review the agenda. | 18:00 |
| daneyon | #topic roll call | 18:00 |
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| daneyon | o/ | 18:01 |
| hongbin_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| eghobo | o/ | 18:01 |
| s3wong | o/ | 18:01 |
| gangil1 | o/ | 18:01 |
| Tango | o/ | 18:01 |
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| daneyon | Thank you hongbin s3wong gangil1 Tango for attending. | 18:02 |
| daneyon | #topic Discuss discovery changes required for implementing Flannel in Swarm | 18:02 |
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| daneyon | This topic was discussed over irc yesterday and over the ML last week. | 18:02 |
| daneyon | I just want to make sure everyone understands the issue with discovery for swarm. | 18:03 |
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| daneyon | Would you like me to provide a quick overview of the issue or does everyone understand it? | 18:03 |
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| gangil1 | daneyon: I haven't read about it, so would go through it first and then ping you if I have any doubts. | 18:04 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 18:04 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto thanks for joining. | 18:04 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto we are at topic: Discuss discovery changes required for implementing Flannel in Swarm | 18:05 |
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| daneyon | I wanted to take this time to make sure everyone understands the discovery issue and agree on the solution. | 18:05 |
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| daneyon | as part of this patch, swarm public discovery is removed. | 18:06 |
| daneyon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/ | 18:06 |
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| daneyon | instead swarm will use etcd for bootstrapping a swarm cluster. | 18:07 |
| Tango | If later we find that we need other method of discovery for something else, would we run into the same situation? | 18:08 |
| daneyon | keep in mind that flannel required etcd. flannel uses etcd for shared config amount flannel daemon's that run across nodes | 18:08 |
| daneyon | Tango that is a good point | 18:08 |
| daneyon | It seems like consul and etcd are the discovery kings | 18:09 |
| daneyon | I filed a bp to address discovery from a bigger picture | 18:09 |
| daneyon | make discovery more pluggable, configurable, etc.. | 18:09 |
| Tango | that would be good. | 18:09 |
| daneyon | that is outside of my current focus of implementing the container network model across all bay types | 18:10 |
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| Tango | I think it's reasonable for now | 18:10 |
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| adrian_otto | agreed | 18:11 |
| daneyon | hongbin_ eghobo or adrian_otto do you have any questions or concerns regarding discovery? | 18:11 |
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| hongbin_ | no | 18:12 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto thx | 18:12 |
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| daneyon | i'll wait 1 minute before moving to our next topic. | 18:12 |
| daneyon | hongbin_ thanks for the feedback. | 18:12 |
| eghobo | I will comment at review, I am still thinking | 18:12 |
| daneyon | eghobo that makes sense. thanks. | 18:13 |
| daneyon | #topic Review Swarm patch | 18:13 |
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| daneyon | I'll take a few minutes to cover the main points of the patch. | 18:13 |
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| daneyon | 1. Implements flannel for swarm bay types. We can now have containers run across multiple nodes and they can communicate with one another using flannel's overlay (UDP or VXLAN) network. | 18:14 |
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| daneyon | I have tested this multiple times using native tools | 18:14 |
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| daneyon | Does anyone have time to test the patch? | 18:15 |
| daneyon | Back to the patch review | 18:15 |
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| hongbin_ | I will if I find some time | 18:16 |
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| eghobo | daneyon: but user still can run without flanel? | 18:16 |
| daneyon | I removed swarm public discovery. Instead swarm uses etcd to bootstrap the swarm cluster. | 18:16 |
| Tango | Can you post the link? | 18:16 |
| daneyon | I implemented etcd for swarm. | 18:16 |
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| daneyon | eghobo no, flannel is the default network-driver if one is not specified at the baymodel creation. | 18:17 |
| eghobo | hmm, not sure I am agree with it | 18:17 |
| daneyon | w/o flannel docker does not have the ability to communicate across hosts until libnetwork is implemented and you use the native overlay driver or a libnetwork remote driver | 18:18 |
| eghobo | many people run Swarm and Mesos without special network | 18:18 |
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| daneyon | We will eventually add libnetwork as a magnum network-driver, but libnetwork is only supported in docker experimental. | 18:18 |
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| eghobo | only Kub is very strict at network side | 18:18 |
| daneyon | swarm patch | 18:18 |
| daneyon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/ | 18:19 |
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| Tango | Thanks | 18:20 |
| eghobo | daneyon: if my nodes can communicate docker/swarm will communicate | 18:20 |
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| eghobo | of course without any isolation | 18:20 |
| daneyon | eghobo before this patch, container within a swarm bay type could not communicate across nodes unless you expose the container port to the host. this is because the swarm bay type was using docker legacy networking (docker bridge). | 18:21 |
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| Tango | So we are really enhancing current docker networking? | 18:22 |
| eghobo | aha, got what you mean now, thx | 18:22 |
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| daneyon | eghobo swarm containers can not directly communicate with one another unless you do either 1. expose the container port to the host or 2. Use libnetwork overlay or remote driver that supports multi-host. | 18:22 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon, I had inline comments with questions. None were answered. | 18:23 |
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| adrian_otto | I was particularly interested ina ll the repeated code | 18:23 |
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| daneyon | supporting native (i.e. not exposing ports to hosts) container-to-container communication is part of the Magnum Container Network Model. This is also where Docker Swarm is heading. | 18:24 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto I submitted my latest patch just before this meeting. I plan to go back and address everyone's review comments. | 18:25 |
| adrian_otto | also why did you take out ExecStartPost? | 18:25 |
| eghobo | daneyon: flannel is value add no question, my concerns that Docker folks show Swarm without networking everywhere and user will get different experience with Magnum | 18:25 |
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| Tango | +1 | 18:25 |
| hongbin_ | We could set different default network_driver per bay type | 18:25 |
| hongbin_ | k8s default to flannel, swarm default to something else | 18:26 |
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| eghobo | hongbin_: =1 | 18:26 |
| Tango | If user develops something on Magnum Swarm cluster and uses the networking capability here, when they bring their containers elsewhere, they may not work | 18:27 |
| daneyon | eghobo libnetwork will be the preferred networking method for Docker Swarm. When it gets out of experimental, we will go through the process of adding the driver. Swarm will be the first bay type. UNless their is issue with the community, libnetwork will be the default net driver for swarm bay types | 18:27 |
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| adrian_otto | you should be able to specify —network-driver=none | 18:27 |
| daneyon | hongbin_ beat me to the punch ;-) | 18:27 |
| adrian_otto | and get the current setup with no networking for swarm if that's what you want | 18:27 |
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| Tango | Fair enough. We should write this up in a user guide so it's clear. | 18:28 |
| hongbin_ | yes, --network-driver=none make sense I think | 18:29 |
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| eghobo | daneyon: I agree about libnetwork but it's experimental too long from my point of view ;) | 18:29 |
| eghobo | we have user who want service now ;) | 18:29 |
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| daneyon | Tango after the cnm gets delivered to all 3 bay types, I will work on the docs | 18:29 |
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| daneyon | eghobo then it comes down to what do we do with magnum? DO we want magnum to be stable or on the bleeding edge? It's my understanding that production ready was a top goal set by adrian_otto | 18:30 |
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| adrian_otto | I repeated my questions on patch set 4 and voted on the patch again. | 18:30 |
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| adrian_otto | production ready is key | 18:30 |
| daneyon | If that's not the case, then let's use docker experimental instead and we can add libnetwork. | 18:30 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto thx. I'll def address your comments. | 18:31 |
| adrian_otto | we can offer optional features that use newer things, but we need to have the basics covered first. | 18:31 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto each bay type requires a network driver. each bay type has a default network driver of flannel. This can and will change over time. | 18:32 |
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| daneyon | I am +1 for using stable relases of docker and other tools instead of experimental. | 18:33 |
| eghobo | daneyon: does it mean you against --network-driver=none idea? | 18:33 |
| daneyon | users want to start deploying containerized apps in OS | 18:33 |
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| daneyon | if we provide a low quality service, then users will write off the magnum project. | 18:33 |
| daneyon | eghobo what does network-driver none do? | 18:34 |
| eghobo | nothing | 18:34 |
| daneyon | if we provide network-driver none to a k8s bay type, the result is a broken bay. | 18:35 |
| eghobo | and Mesos/Swarm users confortable with this model | 18:35 |
| daneyon | k8s will not work using legacy docker bridging. | 18:35 |
| eghobo | it's just for Mesos and Swarm, we must have driver for Kub | 18:35 |
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| daneyon | eghobo if we default to flannel as the net-driver, users can still expose host ports, etc.. | 18:36 |
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| eghobo | correct and I think it's good option for advance user | 18:37 |
| daneyon | swarm is headed in the direction of multi-host networking, so I think we are getting in front of this. I foresee all coe's using multi-host networking. | 18:38 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon, why do you think that swarm bays are broken without flannel? | 18:38 |
| daneyon | If the community prefers to have an option for none, then it can be implemented. | 18:38 |
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| hongbin_ | adrian_otto: I guess daneyon means k8s bay are broken without flannel | 18:39 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto swarm bays work w/o flannel. Container-to-container communication with our current swarm requires either 1. Expose the container port to the host. or 2. Support a seperate network provider such as flannel, libnetwork, etc.. | 18:40 |
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| adrian_otto | right. you can use docker with -v to expose the container port to the host | 18:41 |
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| daneyon | hongbin_ yes. k8s requires flannel. Future does not currently require a multi-host network provider, but signs indicate that one will be required in the future | 18:41 |
| adrian_otto | the DEFAULT network driver per bay should be one that does not violate the principle of least surprise | 18:41 |
| daneyon | i can;t comment on mesos b/c i don;t know enough about that bay type yet. | 18:41 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto correct | 18:42 |
| adrian_otto | so for now the default for swarm could actually be "none", and the user could enable networking by changing it to "flannel" | 18:42 |
| adrian_otto | the default on k8s bays, should be "flannel" | 18:42 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto ok | 18:42 |
| adrian_otto | and if you think you know what you are doing you could set it to "none" and do something more exotic perhaps | 18:42 |
| hongbin_ | I guess the default for mesos is none as well | 18:42 |
| adrian_otto | it mightbe away to simplify using k8s built-in features | 18:43 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin_: yes | 18:43 |
| adrian_otto | my apologies, but I have to depart here in a minute so I can not stay for the end. | 18:43 |
| daneyon | I'll refactor the patch so flannel is not the swarm default | 18:44 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: kub doesn't have built-in features, we need flannel | 18:44 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: that is true today, but that's likely to change | 18:44 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm not arguing for disabling flannel for k8s bays. that's not the important point | 18:45 |
| eghobo | ok, it looks like you know than us ;) | 18:45 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm more interested in providing a close-to-native experience for each COE | 18:45 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto that makes sense | 18:45 |
| daneyon | I'll update the patch | 18:45 |
| adrian_otto | and as each COE evolves, we can follow the prevailing direction each heads | 18:46 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto agreed | 18:46 |
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| adrian_otto | catch you next time | 18:46 |
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| daneyon | so then do we even need to implement flannel for swarm and mesos. I thought the original charter was to provide a native multi-host container networking solution for all bay types. | 18:47 |
| Tango | I think it's a good option to have | 18:48 |
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| hongbin_ | I think it is good to have, just not set it as default | 18:48 |
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| eghobo | +1, it's value add | 18:48 |
| Tango | especially if libnetwork is heading that way | 18:48 |
| daneyon | #action danehans to look into changing the default network-driver for swarm to none. | 18:49 |
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| daneyon | ok, then I think we agree on supporting flannel in swarm, but not using it for the default net driver | 18:49 |
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| daneyon | unless their are questions, lets move on. | 18:50 |
| daneyon | and thanks for the good discussion. | 18:50 |
| daneyon | #topic Review Action Items | 18:50 |
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| daneyon | ACTION: everyone who votes on the kuryr design spec to continue tracking the spec to completion by voting. | 18:50 |
| daneyon | I see everyone voted. | 18:50 |
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| daneyon | thanks again for taking the time to review the kuryr spec and cast your vote. | 18:50 |
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| daneyon | ACTION: danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session. | 18:51 |
| daneyon | I have not discussed this with gsagie | 18:51 |
| daneyon | I will move this one forward. | 18:51 |
| daneyon | #action danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session. | 18:51 |
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| daneyon | #topic Open Discussion | 18:51 |
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| daneyon | anyone have a topic to discuss? | 18:51 |
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| daneyon | ok | 18:52 |
| daneyon | then I will close out our meeting. | 18:52 |
| daneyon | thanks again for the great discussion | 18:52 |
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| daneyon | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 18:52:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-09-24-18.00.html | 18:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-09-24-18.00.txt | 18:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-09-24-18.00.log.html | 18:53 |
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| terrylhowe | cli meeting today? | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | yes | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | meeting overlap | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 19:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:02 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:02 |
| stevemar | i/ | 19:03 |
| stevemar | o/ | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:03 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | I did put together an agenda this morning... | 19:03 |
| stevemar | i'm on a call, so i apologize in advance if i don't pay 100% attention | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#24_Sep_2015 | 19:03 |
| stevemar | dstanek: ^ maybe you wanted to join this time? | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | so lets get started | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:04 |
| dstanek | howdy | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | #topic Image v2 | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | We got a chunk of Image v2 work in 1.7.0, there's more in the pipeline now, | 19:05 |
| stevemar | popular topic these days | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | do we have an idea of what is still missing? | 19:05 |
| stevemar | mordred: ^ | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I recommend not doing much with image create until after the summit when we can see what the glance team is going to do there | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | ok, thats actually mostly done for direct upload, the alternate methods are not there yet. | 19:06 |
| mordred | yah. it has PUT | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | so that makes sense to wait | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:06 |
| mordred | does not have tasks | 19:06 |
| mordred | but I agree on waiting on that | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | mordred: do you know if that list of v2 deployments also supports v1 at all? | 19:06 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: I don't have a full catalog of v1 support - but I believe many of them did | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | I'm thinking we might want to make falling back simpler for that specific case | 19:07 |
| mordred | dtroyer: would it be helpful to know that? | 19:07 |
| mordred | nod | 19:07 |
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| mordred | that's what glanceclient is doing in general these days | 19:08 |
| mordred | so I agree | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | this is one reason I never finished v2 create in the first place… we might just use v1 create for now | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | ok, yes | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | otherwise, we have a bunch of changes to set in review | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | #link https://review.openstack.org/226843 | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | #link https://review.openstack.org/226749 | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | #link https://review.openstack.org/227397 | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | I think bunting is going to add unset to https://review.openstack.org/226843 | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | I know find_resource() is broken for v2 also, what else? | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | nothing? | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer | ok, so that's a shorter list than I thought. | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | I had a question about the 'extra' options in v2 set (—architecture, —os-distro, etc) and think I may have been the one to put those there | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | but disagree with my former self if so and want to remove them. objections? | 19:13 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure what that means? | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | there are options new in v2 set (and my version of create) that weren't in v1, I'd like to remove them as they are really just wrappers around --property | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | actually, there were in v1, and were added for compat | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | duh, I need to read more before I speak | 19:16 |
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| dhellmann | so we would just want folks to use --property instead of the more specific options? | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | long-term, yes. These were for CLI compatibility | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | and I think I re-convinced myself to keep them | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | I wish I could blame pain killers for that... | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | anything else about Image to talk about? | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | #topic SDK integration | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe has been working with this on and off for a while now, and has a chain of reviews starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138745/ to add Netowrk support using the SDK | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | The recent image fun has re-motivated me to look at getting off glanceclient so I've been looking at that too | 19:21 |
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| terrylhowe | it is kind of big. I’d like to get the keystoneauth stuff merged to the sdk before doing a real sdk integration. I think that work is very close in the sdk | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | agreed, but we can start laying the foundation for it and exploring the command-level changes required | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | I’ve just been stuck on the special project team and had no extra time in the last 2 weeks | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | I generalize the basic include-sdk-as-dependency bits from terrylhowe's work in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227037/ | 19:23 |
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| terrylhowe | I think if the sdk supported ksa, we could treat the ksc session just as if itwas a ksa one | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | good to hear | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | but, here's what I really want to talk about… | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | we've said for a while that adding SDK would be 2.0 | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | and that we don't want to do a 'big switch' to do that | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | but I'm a little concerned about needing to make changes that would also require a major version bump and that we'd land at 5.0 sooner than later | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | (maybe this is misplaced concern?) | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | and the recent ML thread about semver and dependencies made me think about it more. | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | thanks dhellmann ;) | 19:25 |
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| dhellmann | I wouldn't worry too much about that | 19:25 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not actually certain that adding the sdk or replacing the client libs with the sdk represents an API change in OSC that requires a major bump | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | ok. user expectations for a 2.0 release that has no user-visible changes (other than installing openstacksdk) seems odd | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | that's one of what I was thinking about since the thread | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | right, as long as the supported API of OSC is not changing it should be fine | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | the only time I expect to be able to install something without updating dependencies is for a patch release | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | and I think from an OSC user perspective that is also the case | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | I think earlier we were concerned about possible behavioural changes with the changing of the API client implementation | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | good testing should handle that | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | but our testing is spotty | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I know you have opinions here, speak up when you've caught up | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: i know i said recently that including the sdk should be a bump to 2.0, but i guess i don't see an issue with releasing 1.8.0 with sdk included | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I think we're on the same page now | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | the next question though, is the SDK team ready to have us include it as a production dependency? | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | I've told them before that we wanted to wait until they release 1.0 to do that | 19:34 |
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| stevemar | they 1.0.0'ed right? | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | but I think we can do this incrementally and work in the ksa bits as they release them | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | I'm getting 0.6.2 from pypi right now | 19:35 |
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| stevemar | 0.5.2 ? | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | but the stuff terrylhowe did works fine with where it is now | 19:35 |
| stevemar | not released since july 30th | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | look for openstacksdk | 19:35 |
| stevemar | thats a lot of missing | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | they appear to have dropped python- | 19:35 |
| stevemar | ah okay | 19:36 |
| stevemar | smart move ;) | 19:36 |
| stevemar | unlike these other chumps we know | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | which we're still going to do at 2.0, whenever that happens | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | there won’t be a 1.0 until ksa is done | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | it changes the way the user uses the sdk and makes it a lot easier to integrate | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer | are you guys OK with OSC starting to require sdk before then? | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer | I'm not worried about our internal change required there | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | the python-openstacksdk project depends on openstacksdk, but it shouldn’t be used | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | and maybe that's our trigger to go to 2.0 | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: i'm okay with that | 19:38 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: how many commands do you expect will leverage the sdk? | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, I think that is fine dtroyer as long as it isn’t used in something key | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | eventually all of them? | 19:38 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: obvssss | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks terrylhowe | 19:38 |
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| dtroyer | I think though our start will be with Network, Image and Object-Store goven their general state overall now | 19:39 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: so i;m looking at this gap, how much exposure will we have between now and when sdk is 1.0? | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | exposure to what? | 19:39 |
| stevemar | from a requirements POV it's easy, sdk only requires stuff we already use | 19:40 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: if we release 1.8.0 with sdk, what commands will use it, only object store? only image? both? | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | right. and I don't expect for the functionality to change with 1.0, just the SDK API | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | right | 19:41 |
| stevemar | which could be churn for us | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | whatever is ready when we get there? terrylhowe has started Network, I've started Image | 19:41 |
| stevemar | but won't break anyone | 19:41 |
| stevemar | i say lets do it | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | I don’t think anyone uses network much, so that is pretty safe | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | my hidden agenda is to remove the glanceclient and neutronclient dependencies | 19:41 |
| stevemar | FILGTM! | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | and their deps | 19:41 |
| stevemar | oh my yes | 19:42 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: does the sdk have support for all the image commands we do now? | 19:42 |
| stevemar | we dont do any network commands :( | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | I don't know, was learning as I went. | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | we do network * commands now, terrylhowe already has re-implemented them in SDK | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | wokring forward from there gets easier | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | I’m not sure on coverage in the sdk image world stevemar Evertt Toews did most of the recent work there | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | does it do both v1 and v2? | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | that's what I need to figure out next, how to switch it... | 19:45 |
| stevemar | looks like its missing stuff https://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk/tree/master/openstack/image | 19:45 |
| terrylhowe | yes dtroyer and image create and basic stuff I know work, just don’t know all the details on properties etc. | 19:45 |
| terrylhowe | but it has v1 and v2 | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | cool | 19:45 |
| stevemar | fairly limited functionality there | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | so we should be able to do a v2 image show with a name ;) | 19:46 |
| stevemar | but we can do object and network first | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | and fwiw, I'm planning to jump in and fill in holes as needed | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | ok, 15 min left…movie on? | 19:47 |
| terrylhowe | sdk network and object store will do everything the osc needs | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | cool | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews and bugs | 19:47 |
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| dtroyer | I've mentioned a couple of reviews already, are there any others that need attention? | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/214264 looks simple and ready | 19:48 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: oh coolness here: saharaclient is creating an osc plugin | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | ah, that reminds me of another topic for open discussion | 19:48 |
| stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/python-saharaclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L35-L46 | 19:49 |
| stevemar | that was unexpected and nice to see | 19:49 |
| stevemar | looks like designate and ironic are lined up too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133676/ | 19:50 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171672/ | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | zaqar is working on one, was talking about command formats with them | 19:51 |
| stevemar | barbican was +2'ed but it was bit-rotted: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198732/ | 19:51 |
| stevemar | oh, i spoke with thingee and hemnalunch today over at -cinder | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | and so since stevemar took us down this road, do we list the known plugins anywhere in the docs? | 19:51 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: duh http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/plugins.html | 19:52 |
| stevemar | though it needs an update | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | nice stevemar on sahara | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | i a word there | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | known plugins objects | 19:52 |
| terrylhowe | designate merged for v2 | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | for collision avoidance purposes… | 19:52 |
| stevemar | ahhh, the command objects? | 19:52 |
| stevemar | no we do not | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | that could be done... | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | I'm thinking we might want to do that, or link to the objects in the plugin docs to make it easier to see what is in general use | 19:53 |
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| stevemar | i'll think of a way to try and represent that | 19:53 |
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| stevemar | instead of Command List we can have Plugin Command List ? | 19:54 |
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| stevemar | and list the known ones there... hopefully autogenerate them | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | that may be a lot? if generated, sure | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | the issue was in knowing what object names are already in use in other plugins | 19:55 |
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| stevemar | right | 19:55 |
| stevemar | let me think about it | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | any other reviews to mention? | 19:55 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: back to cinder talk - spoke with thingee and hemnalunch - you can read the -cinder scroll back | 19:55 |
| stevemar | they are entertaining the idea of deprecating the CLI for cinder | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | cool… I don't have -cinder in znc, was that today? | 19:56 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: yes, today | 19:57 |
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| stevemar | a few hours ago | 19:57 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I'll find it | 19:58 |
| stevemar | we can chat with them at the summit, but i think they are ready to take the plunge :) | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | awesome | 19:58 |
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| stevemar | their only concern is microversions | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | if they did it similar to nove (i think they did) that's about 2/3 worked out | 19:58 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: they haven't even done it yet, i think | 19:59 |
| stevemar | just something on the horizon | 19:59 |
| stevemar | we are at le end | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | ok, even better then, we might be able to streamline them a bit. once we implement a geneeralized discovery/negotiation we'll know what nova and ironic did wrong ;) | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | yup. thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 20:00:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-09-24-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-09-24-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-09-24-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| mriedem | who's running this? | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | alright | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 24 21:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| ctrath | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
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| bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | i'm not pinging lazy people that don't have calendar reminders | 21:01 |
| tonyb | man you're alte by 2mins and mriedem is runnign the thing ;P | 21:01 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| dansmith | tonyb: two minutes times the number of people waiting is a lot of minutes | 21:01 |
| bauzas | tonyb: sssht, you could unfortunately become a chair | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release status | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| mriedem | rc1 is out | 21:02 |
| tonyb | dansmith: I know I was having technical difficulties | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | there will be an rc2 for translations and anything critical that missed rc1 | 21:02 |
| jaypipes | afternoon all | 21:02 |
| dansmith | tonyb: :) | 21:02 |
| mriedem | for anything that should be considered for rc2, add the liberty-rc-potential tag | 21:02 |
| mriedem | and scrub these https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-rc-potential | 21:02 |
| mriedem | oh snap. 2/3 are fix committed | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | so let's remove the potential tag someone plesae on those | 21:03 |
| tonyb | mriedem: what's the process for remving that tag? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | tonyb: if it's fixed, remove the potential tag | 21:03 |
| mriedem | that's what i've been doing anyway | 21:03 |
| tonyb | mriedem: what if it's just not rc2 material? | 21:03 |
| bauzas | mriedem: bug 1493680 is merged in Mitaka, we need to backport it to RC2 | 21:03 |
| openstack | bug 1493680 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "HostState.metrics is no longer a dict" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1493680 - Assigned to Sylvain Bauza (sylvain-bauza) | 21:03 |
| mriedem | tonyb: then liberty-backport-potential | 21:03 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: hence the fix committed stuff | 21:04 |
| tonyb | mriedem: okay thanks. | 21:04 |
| mriedem | bauzas: we can't backport to a tag | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | and i don't see a stable/liberty branch yet | 21:04 |
| tonyb | mriedem: just don't want to irritate people that thought it was rc'ish :/ | 21:04 |
| mriedem | hmm | 21:04 |
| tonyb | mriedem: it was there last night | 21:04 |
| mriedem | well, i thought we'd have a stable/liberty branch for backports | 21:04 |
| mriedem | oh | 21:04 |
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| rlrossit | mriedem: there is a stable/libery | 21:05 |
| mriedem | not seeing it in github | 21:05 |
| rlrossit | s/libery/liberty | 21:05 |
| bauzas | mriedem: well I think it was done by the release team | 21:05 |
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| rlrossit | https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/stable/liberty | 21:05 |
| bauzas | mriedem: given ttx's email | 21:05 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/stable/liberty/nova | 21:05 |
| mriedem | yeah, ok | 21:05 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: so yeah, I was about to propose 1493680 for stable/liberty (to be clear) | 21:05 |
| mriedem | so liberty-rc-potential for rc2 should be backported to stable/liberty, i believe | 21:05 |
| mriedem | do it | 21:05 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah release team created it based after that open Mitaka commit | 21:06 |
| mriedem | oh well look who it is | 21:06 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | How'd you | 21:06 |
| mriedem | #action liberty-rc-potential tagged bugs fixed on master should be backported to stable/liberty | 21:06 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Doh autocorrect | 21:06 |
| bauzas | mriedem: okay, the question is still there, how can we tag bugs for being backported to stable/liberty as RC2 candidates ? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i think liberty-rc-potential | 21:07 |
| bauzas | mriedem: okay thanks, you answered that question :) | 21:07 |
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| tonyb | bauzas: set the milestone? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | until merged in stable/liberty | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i don't see an rc2 milestone | 21:07 |
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| bauzas | tonyb: there are no lib milestones | 21:07 |
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| bauzas | heh, jinxed again by mriedem | 21:07 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | We could target to rc2 milestone I guess, yeah I can get that created | 21:08 |
| bauzas | that would be awesome | 21:08 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | Give me an action for the morning | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #action Johnthetubaguy to create an rc2 milestone | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | moving on? | 21:09 |
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| bauzas | +1 | 21:09 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Sure | 21:09 |
| mriedem | usual reminder for sub-teams to put their bugs on the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:09 |
| mriedem | also, we need to start updating the liberty release notes https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Compute_.28Nova.29 | 21:09 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Oops, I should create a new etherpad now | 21:10 |
| mriedem | which includes anything tagged as UpgradeImpact during liberty | 21:10 |
| mriedem | there are also quite a few things probably tagged with DocImpact that are really meant for release note updates | 21:10 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah | 21:10 |
| mriedem | we can query gerrit for that stuff though, i could do that tomorrow | 21:10 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to get the list of docimpact/upgradeimpact commits for release notes | 21:10 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | That would be awesome, thank you | 21:11 |
| mriedem | we should get better about just doing those once the changes land | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | so we don't have to remind ourselves of the last 6 months | 21:11 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | +1 | 21:11 |
| mriedem | # mitaka release process and specs | 21:11 |
| mriedem | oops | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #topic mitaka release process and specs | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | i guess there is an etherpad started here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:12 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Oh, quick thing, need Liberty blueprint summary, I may so that | 21:12 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, idea is to spot important stuff | 21:12 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | And get that soon | 21:12 |
| mriedem | you mean for this mitaka etherpad? | 21:13 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | And stop stuff that needs summit, etc | 21:13 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Oops, find stuff | 21:13 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, sorry, for that etherpad | 21:13 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:13 |
| mriedem | so i haven't really started reviewing specs | 21:13 |
| mriedem | but yeah people can get started on those | 21:13 |
| mriedem | and remember to do the previously-approved thing | 21:14 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Basically submit specs now, let's try merge before the summit where we can | 21:14 |
| dansmith | I've done a bunch today | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i thought i noticed a bunch of -1... | 21:14 |
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| dansmith | heh | 21:14 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Cool, I hit a few yesterday | 21:15 |
| mriedem | also, ping cores to remove -2 once the bits are place for mitaka, e.g. bp's and specs are approved | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | moving on? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | We need spec less bp process, but yeah, later for that | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i think the gate status is okish? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i haven't really paid attention in the last couple of days, but no news is good news | 21:15 |
| tonyb | mriedem: do you want to talk about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1415087? | 21:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1415087 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "[OSSA 2015-011] Format-guessing and file disclosure in image convert (CVE-2015-1850, CVE-2015-1851)" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Tony Breeds (o-tony) | 21:16 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | We broke ironic earlera did we merge that? | 21:16 |
| bauzas | Johnthetubaguy-w: yup | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | ok, so tonyb has this security bug | 21:16 |
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| bauzas | Johnthetubaguy-w: bug 1499271 is fix committed | 21:16 |
| openstack | bug 1499271 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "MetricsWeigher can return a NoneType exception" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499271 - Assigned to Sylvain Bauza (sylvain-bauza) | 21:16 |
| mriedem | sounds like tonyb and kashyap have identified the problems in nova for the bug | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: you're working a patch? | 21:17 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah verifying that it fixes anythign other than a theoretical issues is the hard part | 21:17 |
| mriedem | yeah... | 21:17 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah, I'll punt on the Juno stuff until I have something out | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | oh you mean your stable juno crusade? | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | yeah i'd consider that low priority :) | 21:18 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah that thing. the tangled-web-of-onions | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | as for stable branches, kilo is going into a freeze for the next stable kilo release | 21:18 |
| mriedem | stable/juno is, ...probably doesn't matter | 21:19 |
| mriedem | maybe busted, maybe not | 21:19 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | freeze, is that for strings? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | Johnthetubaguy-w: no | 21:19 |
| tonyb | Johnthetubaguy-w: all commits I think | 21:19 |
| mriedem | right | 21:19 |
| mriedem | stable isn't translated | 21:19 |
| mriedem | the stable release lead just -2s everything | 21:19 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, I think they were talking about starting, but gotcha | 21:19 |
| mriedem | until there is the tagged release and then drops the -2 | 21:20 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | Ah, ok | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ok, anything else on bugs? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | #topic design summit sessions | 21:20 |
| tonyb | can I add new strings? | 21:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit sessions (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:20 | |
| mriedem | tonyb: on master you can b/c it's mitaka | 21:20 |
| tonyb | mriedem: okay. | 21:21 |
| mriedem | people frequently backport changes to stable that have i18n changes | 21:21 |
| mriedem | which is why string freeze is kind of funny imo | 21:21 |
| mriedem | but let's not get into it | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | design summit sessions should be proposed here http://goo.gl/forms/D2Qk8XGhZ6 | 21:21 |
| mriedem | or by emailing tonyb if your govt blocks google | 21:21 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, techincally hard freeze right now | 21:21 |
| mriedem | tonyb's home address is in the ML i think | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah and there's an etherpad | 21:22 |
| * Johnthetubaguy-w giggles | 21:22 | |
| mriedem | tonyb: link to the etherpad? | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: so at least the process is clear :) | 21:22 |
| mriedem | it's in the ML i guess | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: tryign to find it | 21:22 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, it's on that thread | 21:22 |
| mriedem | ok, moving on | 21:23 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | i have one in here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173204/ | 21:23 |
| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-summit-suggestions | 21:23 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173204/ proposes to not set the 'default' security group for neutron by default | 21:23 |
| mriedem | because it breaks certain configs of neutron | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | if port_security_enabled=False on the network provider | 21:23 |
| mriedem | i put it on the stuck list since it's technically a nova api kind of change | 21:24 |
| mriedem | but i feel like there are reasons to justify it, inline in that reivew | 21:24 |
| mriedem | anyway, could use other opinions on that one | 21:24 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, it's a tricky one, but it feels correct | 21:24 |
| mriedem | i have'nt looked in a week but i think we basically were making the wrong assumptions from the beginning, | 21:24 |
| mriedem | which is why we could justify we shouldn't do it | 21:24 |
| mriedem | and because neutron adds the default secgroup if port_security_enabled=True | 21:25 |
| mriedem | so nova doesn't/shouldn't need to | 21:25 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | yeah, sounds like they have done that for a few years | 21:25 |
| mriedem | and ops people just hack around it | 21:25 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Which is handy | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | other stuck reviews? | 21:26 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: ooh, kudos for digging up a bug that refers to Quantum. | 21:26 |
| mriedem | you're welcome | 21:26 |
| mriedem | not hearing more stuck reviews | 21:26 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:26 |
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| mrkz | I have 2 questions regarding blueprints + specs for mitaka, to my understanding this blueprint needs a spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/boot-from-uefi so I would like to push a draft so subscribers /devs can early comment in that one | 21:26 |
| mrkz | so 1st question: template says to stop in "proposed change" section (http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova-specs/tree/specs/mitaka-template.rst#n111) , but do I need to wipe-out all missing text below that or just leave it like that? (my current answ is just edit needed bit and leave everything as is) | 21:27 |
| mrkz | and 2nd question: would the review be pushed under the same folder all other mitaka specs are (specs/mitaka/approved)? | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | yes to 2nd | 21:27 |
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| mrkz | s/bit/bits/ | 21:27 |
| mriedem | on 1st question i'd probably wipe out the rest below that, but it doesn't really matter probably | 21:28 |
| mriedem | as long as it's clear that the rest is template stuff | 21:28 |
| mriedem | other open discussion? | 21:28 |
| mrkz | mriedem: gotcha, thanks a lot! :) | 21:28 |
| mriedem | cinder people have anything? | 21:28 |
| vilobhmm11 | I have open spec which needs some diccussion | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i saw some sneek in | 21:28 |
| vilobhmm11 | sent an email on ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075267.html | 21:29 |
| mriedem | s/sneek/sneak/ | 21:29 |
| bauzas | mriedem: sssshhhht | 21:29 |
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| vilobhmm11 | spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222423/ detailed options : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/servicegroup-refactoring ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075267.html | 21:29 |
| vilobhmm11 | please not this spec was accepted for Liberty and there are few concerns raised on the same when proposed again for Mitaka | 21:30 |
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| vilobhmm11 | jaypipes, Johnthetubaguy-w : ^^ | 21:30 |
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| mriedem | vilobhmm11: for someone that doesn't have the background on all of that in his head, what can we do in the nova meeting, or are you just raising awareness? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | i'm pretty sure dansmith wanted to keep talking about it... :P | 21:30 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Yeah, I think it's an easier starting point, the new direction sounds good | 21:30 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Let's just review the updated spec I guess | 21:31 |
| bauzas | well, we can discuss that on the spec | 21:31 |
| dansmith | vilobhmm11: you didn't update the spec did you? | 21:31 |
| dansmith | I thought you wanted agreement before updating the spec | 21:31 |
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| Johnthetubaguy-w | Ah, good question | 21:31 |
| dansmith | my feeling is: update the spec and lets discuss | 21:31 |
| vilobhmm11 | dansmith : as we dicsussed the other day on IRC haev created an etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/servicegroup-refactoring with all possible options | 21:31 |
| vilobhmm11 | thought its easier to colaborate on etherpad with multiple people involved | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | vilobhmm11: right, but everyone in that discussion was in favor of a change | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | and like I said, | 21:32 |
| dansmith | the spec is where we need to document consensus | 21:32 |
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| bauzas | +1 to dansmith | 21:32 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | +1 | 21:32 |
| vilobhmm11 | ok will submit one | 21:32 |
| dansmith | thanks | 21:32 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Cool | 21:33 |
| jaypipes | vilobhmm11: will try to review those tomorrow on my flight back home. | 21:33 |
| mriedem | more open discussion? | 21:33 |
| mriedem | or leave early so i can piss off more ops poeple? | 21:33 |
| mriedem | *people even | 21:33 |
| dansmith | +1 | 21:34 |
| mriedem | ok, that's it | 21:34 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:34 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 24 21:34:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-09-24-21.01.html | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-09-24-21.01.txt | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-09-24-21.01.log.html | 21:34 |
| Johnthetubaguy-w | Thanks all | 21:34 |
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