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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 23 14:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello and roll call for the docs meeting | 14:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | howdy | 14:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello! | 14:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok well looks like it's just us | 14:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | scary | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | heh | 14:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | surprised there's no one else here | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah same here | 14:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | i usually hit the apac meeting | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright well we can go ahead and get started | 14:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sure | 14:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | annegentle was to remove the PDF of the Security Guide from lulu.com and that's been completed | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Liberty specs in review | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Third Party driver docs - please read, will be approved shortly) | 14:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, that one is still hanging around | 14:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219936/ (merged) | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions on those? | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | nope | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:08 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - Reviewing content. Any help appreciated. | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - Need help testing against Liberty as packages are released. | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the Big Patch merged | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221560/ | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats great | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | architecture now uses linuxbridge rather than ovs, and nova-net is gone | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | early packages are available for ubuntu and possibly fedora/rh | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | now that the big patch is merged, additional patches will probably involve incremental per-service config changes for liberty | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like we're on track | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | very nice | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm also writing some contributor guidelines | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | because we're having lots of bug triage and patch approval issues | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | that will be very helpful | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think it's necessary | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, its too easy to break the install guide | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | hey i do that one too | 14:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah you sure do | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | any updates on that? | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | edgar is working on a patch for QoS | 14:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | otherwise, its sort of waiting until liberty to get liberty updates to the scenarios | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | okay | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | we still need contributions to the 'intro' sections | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | the how-stuff-works material is sparse | 14:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok good to know, I will pass the word along to my team too | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - RST conversion complete, and live. | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide reorganization is underway. | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Prepping for RST conversion in Mitaka. | 14:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we are looking for contributors for the ops guide, if you are interested please hit Darren Chan or I up | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - See status update #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072557.html | 14:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - Contact Guavain #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Labs - Contact Pranav Salunke #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/openstack-labs | 14:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok thats all on the specialty teams, anything else to add before we move on? | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | not here | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to Liberty! | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to Liberty! (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:17 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #info 21 Days! #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20151015T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Liberty+Launch+Date&font=hand | 14:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Release notes: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty | 14:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Design Summit (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:18 | |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Mitaka PTL elections #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September_2015 | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info We have session allocations for docs now. Lana will be asking for suggestions | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wont be at the summit | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sam-I-Am was just going to ask you that | 14:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, things just didnt work out | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | Ok | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | Well I know you will be in Austin :) | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | most likely | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | we have a smaller group heading to Tokyo as well | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | if there's anything i need to be involved in, feel free to let me know and i can be awake for irc or video conf | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | absolutely will do, thank you | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs: | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:21 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1284301 Document Neutron SSL-VPN for cloudadmin | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1284301 in openstack-manuals "Document Neutron SSL-VPN for cloudadmin" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1288044 Add user defined extra capabilities | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1288044 in openstack-manuals " Add user defined extra capabilities" [Low,Triaged] | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1292327 Make cors work better | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1292327 in openstack-api-site " Make cors work better." [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:22 | |
| ShillaSaebi | alright anything else we should discuss? | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing from me | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | I am thinking I will start sending reminders again a day before to see if that will increase attendance for this meeting | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah we need to do that | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus the wiki wasnt updated | 14:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | usually e-mail + mention in the docs channel helps | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok good, will do that next time and strive for better attendance | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | well thanks for joining and have a great day | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 23 14:24:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-23-14.01.html | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-23-14.01.txt | 14:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-23-14.01.log.html | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, back to work | 14:24 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for the StoryBoard meeting? | 15:00 |
| Zara | here! | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 23 15:01:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:02 | |
| SotK | We merged a bunch of patches recently! | 15:02 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:02 |
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| Zara | finally got some +1s | 15:02 |
| SotK | Amongst other things, StoryBoard now supports paginated lists in the webclient! | 15:02 |
| Zara | thanks, sam | 15:02 |
| Zara | yes, makes it easier for us to see the other webclient bugs to fix, haha | 15:04 |
| SotK | I don't think there are any other things to announce | 15:04 |
| SotK | I also don't know of any urgent items, so... | 15:04 |
| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In-Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:04 | |
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| SotK | #info SotK is still looking at worklists and boards. | 15:04 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202989/ Spec | 15:04 |
| SotK | API patches need some more fixes I discovered when finishing the UI. | 15:04 |
| SotK | UI stuff is pretty much ready to send patches for too, just need to add validation when adding a card to a board. | 15:04 |
| Zara | hehe, I'm happy to try to break everything when ready | 15:05 |
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| SotK | Once I think its ready to send patches for I'll update the old public test StoryBoard I have so that the whole world can try to break it :D | 15:05 |
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| Zara | yay! subscriptions patch has had unnecessary stuff removed. things still need to be separated out, and it doesn't work for details pages yet. I could get it working today but I'd end up moving that code anyway, so I plan to do that bit in the same step as moving the other stuff into a service. | 15:06 |
| SotK | makes sense :) | 15:06 |
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| Zara | so currently learning more about angular services and things but it's well on the way. :) | 15:07 |
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| SotK | excellent! | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #info Zara is still working on subscriptions speedups, well on the way to being done! | 15:07 |
| Zara | other current work is just continuing to review things as they come, I guess. | 15:07 |
| SotK | pretty much, yeah | 15:08 |
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| Zara | nothing else springs to mind | 15:08 |
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| Zara | well done on the worklists work so far :) | 15:09 |
| Zara | (and boardS) | 15:09 |
| Zara | erm, boards | 15:09 |
| SotK | heh, thanks :) | 15:09 |
| SotK | There are no discussion topics on the agenda, so on to open discussion | 15:09 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:09 |
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| Zara | we always need contributors and reviewers, so feel free to have a look around! | 15:10 |
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| SotK | indeed! | 15:11 |
| Zara | and also feel free to review everything just saying | 15:11 |
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| Zara | similarly, if there are features you'd like to see in storyboard, or bugs you'd like fixed | 15:12 |
| Zara | we can actually page through them now ;) | 15:12 |
| Zara | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/457 and https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/456 | 15:13 |
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| Zara | SotK has a markdown patch in review, if anyone's interested in that | 15:13 |
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| Zara | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222709/ | 15:14 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222709/ Markdown support in descriptions/comments | 15:14 |
| SotK | Anything else to discuss? | 15:15 |
| Zara | I don't think so; things are going smoothly again so thanks for your help the other week (and the patch comments were also useful). | 15:15 |
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| SotK | no problem, happy to be of assistance :) | 15:16 |
| SotK | in that case... | 15:17 |
| SotK | .. | 15:17 |
| SotK | . | 15:17 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 23 15:17:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-09-23-15.01.html | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-09-23-15.01.txt | 15:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-09-23-15.01.log.html | 15:17 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 23 16:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| thingee | hey all! | 16:00 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:00 |
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| hemna | mep | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| ShamailT | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Good morning. | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| kmartin | o/ | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | Today is my last time in this cushy chair in the meeting! | 16:00 |
| thingee | it has been a fun ride | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:00 |
| geguileo | :'-( | 16:01 |
| hemna | :( | 16:01 |
| scottda | sniffles | 16:01 |
| thingee | maybe I'll fell in for the next PTL sometimes, who knows! | 16:01 |
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| thingee | fill* | 16:01 |
| thingee | all is good though :) | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks for the last year! | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | thingee: if you think you're going to ride off into the sunset you're mistaken :) | 16:01 |
| thingee | diversity is good in leaders | 16:02 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:02 |
| hemna | :) | 16:02 |
| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| thingee | So I don't really have any... | 16:02 |
| thingee | oh! | 16:02 |
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| thingee | RC1 should be cut today | 16:03 |
| thingee | #info Cinder RC1 should be cut today | 16:03 |
| dulek | Isn't master opened for Mitaka? | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226850/1 | 16:03 |
| thingee | dulek: yes that would mean mitaka would be open after that patch lands and ttx does the cut | 16:03 |
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| dulek | :) | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: so there won't be an rc2 then correct? | 16:04 |
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| hemna | thingee, are we pushing os-brick 0.4.1 for L ? | 16:04 |
| e0ne | we need to not forget remove -2 after master unfreeze | 16:04 |
| thingee | diablo_rojo: there could be, if users, ops, other tests notice issues with rc 1 | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | hemna: 5.0 I believe now. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | thingee: That would be off of stable/liberty though, right? | 16:04 |
| thingee | hemna: os-brick 0.5.0 will be available | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | hemna: it should be os-brick 0.5.0 | 16:05 |
| hemna | thingee, ok coolio. I didn't see the patch up for it | 16:05 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: the upper constraints was set, but not requirements.txt for os-brick 0.5.0 | 16:05 |
| e0ne | hemna: Doug Hellmann anounced it yesterday in openstack-dev ML | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Ah | 16:05 |
| thingee | just keep that in mind | 16:05 |
| hemna | e0ne, sweet. | 16:05 |
| mriedem | nova has an rc2 for translations, not sure if cinder is in that same boat | 16:05 |
| thingee | mriedem: not...yea :D | 16:06 |
| ttx | mriedem: probably | 16:06 |
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| thingee | /yea/yet/ | 16:06 |
| ttx | (depends how much work the translators will actually put in the coming days :) | 16:06 |
| thingee | any other announcements before we move on? | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | < crickets > | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:07 |
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| thingee | I did want to give a quick plug while I have everyone's attention... | 16:07 |
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| thingee | so I know you all look forward to the openstack newsletter weekly! | 16:07 |
| thingee | and there is a new section to help with a common problem people give.. | 16:08 |
| thingee | http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/09/openstack-community-weekly-newsletter-sept-12-18/ | 16:08 |
| thingee | "What you need to know from the developer’s list" | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:08 |
| hemna | nice | 16:08 |
| thingee | summary of the dev list... quick important points to keep you updated without having to read the entire thread | 16:08 |
| xyang | thingee: that's a great addition | 16:08 |
| markus_z | +1 | 16:08 |
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| geguileo | Sounds great! | 16:09 |
| thingee | give me feedback please! :) | 16:09 |
| thingee | ok lets gets started! | 16:09 |
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| thingee | agenda for today! | 16:09 |
| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:09 |
| thingee | short | 16:09 |
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| thingee | maybe with design summit topics | 16:10 |
| thingee | oh and nova volume bug by mriedem | 16:10 |
| thingee | got it | 16:10 |
| thingee | #topic Cinder API races bugs | 16:10 |
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| thingee | geguileo: hi | 16:10 |
| geguileo | Hey | 16:10 |
| geguileo | Sorry, forgot to remote that | 16:10 |
| thingee | too late | 16:10 |
| thingee | geguileo: :) | 16:10 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:10 |
| geguileo | We agreed in cinder channel to not include it | 16:10 |
| thingee | #info first patch | 16:10 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218012 | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | So nothing to discuss really | 16:11 |
| thingee | #info This follows dependency chain | 16:11 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221442 | 16:11 |
| thingee | oh | 16:11 |
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| thingee | #info nothing to discuss | 16:11 |
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| thingee | :) | 16:11 |
| geguileo | Sorry | 16:11 |
| thingee | no prob | 16:11 |
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| thingee | #agreed in the cinder channel it was agreed this would not be in L | 16:12 |
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| thingee | #topic Nova volume bugs | 16:12 |
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| thingee | mriedem: hi | 16:12 |
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| mriedem | hey, so just a quick note about nova volume bugs | 16:12 |
| thingee | #info there are lots of nova/cinder bugs | 16:12 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=volumes | 16:12 |
| thingee | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=volumes | 16:12 |
| mriedem | yeah | 16:12 |
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| mriedem | i was poking through those last friday | 16:12 |
| mriedem | it's at 102 | 16:12 |
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| mriedem | i suspect some are closed now | 16:13 |
| mriedem | some could be issues in os-brick | 16:13 |
| thingee | mriedem: I actually went through a bit of nova bugs to triage originally to that tag. | 16:13 |
| thingee | :) | 16:13 |
| hemna | mriedem, thanks for raising this one. I'm starting to go through that list. I think some of them might already be fixed using os-brick | 16:13 |
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| mriedem | i was also noting how many multipath bugs there were | 16:13 |
| mriedem | which i'm assuming is in no way CI tested | 16:13 |
| hemna | mriedem, some of the cinder 3rd party CI tests use mpath | 16:14 |
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| hemna | some don't | 16:14 |
| patrickeast | my ci tests multipath FC and iSCSI... not sure if anyone else is though | 16:14 |
| thingee | #info some might actually already be fixed. Maybe also since os-brick. | 16:14 |
| mriedem | ah, that's good to know | 16:14 |
| hemna | but I don't think any of the multipath tests actually look at the state of the host after the detach is done | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | b/c there was a bug i think that actually said fc attach with multipath failed | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | the problem i have with looking at some of these is i don't have an environment to recreate | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | so was hoping to lean more on the cinder people that had these environments | 16:14 |
| hemna | mriedem, I'm working on some os-brick patches that will allow us to test before detach and after detach to make sure the volumes are gone. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199764/ | 16:14 |
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| thingee | #info mriedem noticed many multi-path bugs. patrickeast has Pure CI testing multi-path with FC and iSCSI | 16:15 |
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| hemna | mriedem, I'd like some feedback on the spec if possible. that would help cover one of the missing pieces. | 16:15 |
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| hemna | we can test iSCSI and FC multipath here | 16:16 |
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| xyang | we also test iSCSI and FC multipath | 16:16 |
| mriedem | ok | 16:16 |
| mriedem | i don't have anything else really | 16:16 |
| mriedem | was just raising awareness | 16:16 |
| hemna | since scottda is the nova liason, he and I can start looking through those bugs as well. | 16:17 |
| scottda | yup | 16:17 |
| * hemna volunteers scottda for more work :) | 16:17 | |
| scottda | thanks | 16:17 |
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| thingee | scottda: might be good to start prioritizing what we want to focus on for Mitaka. I know some of these already come from your initial list of bugs. | 16:18 |
| hemna | scottda, no problem, I was pretty sure you were getting bored anyway :) | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj_ | hemna: I also noted that we could get some of my team helping out on those as well. | 16:18 |
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| thingee | scottda: prioritize and a group...we might not be able to do all 100 bugs... but some managable goal for Mitaka I think would be good | 16:18 |
| scottda | Yes, We'll gather bugs , prioritize and publish . I'll get something going by next week's meeting. | 16:18 |
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| thingee | #action scottda to priortize and set some expectation for Mitaka | 16:19 |
| thingee | mriedem: anything else? | 16:19 |
| markus_z | scottda: Would you keep me in the loop? I'm the nova bug czar since 2 months or so. | 16:19 |
| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka_Priorites_for_Nova_Volume_bugs | 16:19 |
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| thingee | #info markus_z would like to stay in the loop, being the nova bug czar | 16:19 |
| scottda | sure markus_z | 16:19 |
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| markus_z | scottda: thanks | 16:20 |
| mriedem | thingee: nope | 16:20 |
| thingee | thanks | 16:20 |
| thingee | #topic Design summit topics | 16:20 |
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| markus_z | Regarding bugs, I have this one in the pipeline: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209847/ | 16:20 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mitaka-summit-topics | 16:20 |
| markus_z | whops, too late :( | 16:20 |
| thingee | so we got some agreements from last week | 16:21 |
| thingee | let me just skim action items from last meeting in this area... | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | markus_z: I like that proposal BTW | 16:22 |
| thingee | patrickeast: you have an action for making an etherpad on experimental API research? | 16:22 |
| markus_z | jgriffith: thanks, I'm currently figuring out how to make that an project wide blueprint. | 16:22 |
| thingee | patrickeast: didn't see a link for it though on the topic etherpad | 16:22 |
| thingee | cricket | 16:23 |
| thingee | ok, we'll circle back | 16:23 |
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| thingee | dulek: you have an action for an etherpad for nova AZ issues | 16:24 |
| patrickeast | thingee: ah, sry, stepped away for a minute.... I do still intend to do that, have been side tracked with some other bugs | 16:24 |
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| thingee | patrickeast: ok, I'll make a note for the next meeting organizer | 16:24 |
| thingee | #action patrickeast to make etherpad on expermental API research | 16:24 |
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| thingee | wake up everyone :) | 16:25 |
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| dulek | thingee: Yeah, that haven't happened, I was waiting for DuncanT to post his findings and discussion. | 16:25 |
| thingee | DuncanT: how's that coming along? | 16:25 |
| dulek | thingee: Added it to TODO for tomorrow morning, DuncanT will add there I think. Sorry about that! | 16:25 |
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| thingee | dulek: no problem, just making sure we're ready for the summit! :) | 16:26 |
| bswartz | patrickeast: ping me when you do that | 16:26 |
| scottda | patrickeast: me too | 16:26 |
| thingee | #action dulk to post an etherpad link under the topic proposal availability zone issues. | 16:26 |
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| patrickeast | bswartz: scottda: will do | 16:26 |
| thingee | #action DuncanT to post his findings and discuss with dulek | 16:27 |
| * bswartz is already waist-deep in experimental APIs and their issues | 16:27 | |
| thingee | rhedlind and eharney how is the driver api doc coming along? | 16:27 |
| eharney | thingee: not really moving yet, but i'll be getting things going more this week | 16:27 |
| thingee | ok, next meeting we'll circle back | 16:28 |
| thingee | #action rhedlind and eharney to collaborate on a driver api doc for cinder dev docs | 16:28 |
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| thingee | hemna: renewing spec return VolumeIsBusy for ing states | 16:28 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149894/ | 16:28 |
| hemna | I started updating that guy yesterday | 16:28 |
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| thingee | very nice! | 16:28 |
| hemna | working on some feedback from dulek and will push up a new version today. | 16:29 |
| thingee | #info spec renewed for VolumeIsBusy with ing states | 16:29 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149894/ | 16:29 |
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| hemna | more reviewers would be good | 16:29 |
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| thingee | scottda: you're still set to present that spec to Nova in their next meeting :P | 16:29 |
| scottda | We need a Nova spec for that as well | 16:29 |
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| dulek | hemna: I'll be around, but may reply with delay. Anyway - ask what you need. :) | 16:30 |
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| scottda | Yes, but I'd like to have a Nova spec ready for Nova meeting. | 16:30 |
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| hemna | scottda, ok I can put that together. | 16:30 |
| scottda | cool, thx. Perhaps mriedem has input or can help with the NOva spec? | 16:30 |
| thingee | #action hemna to put together a nova spec for scottda to present VolumeIsBusy being returned for ing states at next nova meeting | 16:30 |
| thingee | whew | 16:30 |
| thingee | thanks | 16:31 |
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| hemna | scottda, yah I was hoping to get some feedback/help from mriedem on that as well | 16:31 |
| mriedem | i remember -1ing a cinder spec at one point | 16:31 |
| thingee | jgriffith: POC's for ABC class proposals | 16:31 |
| hemna | mriedem, heh yah, that url ^^ | 16:31 |
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| scottda | mriedem: We will have cinder-api-microversions for this. YOur -1 was because of API changes | 16:31 |
| scottda | IIRC | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: nothing this week | 16:32 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think we wanted this ready for your topic at the summit | 16:32 |
| * jgriffith still has a month :) | 16:32 | |
| thingee | jgriffith: just checking in | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | roger | 16:32 |
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| thingee | ok, I won't circle back :D | 16:32 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I'm assuming you had discussions with eharney on that and your other topic of should cinder be the next vipr? | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: not really... will need to try and link up with him next week | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I think we're both a bit busy this week | 16:34 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok just reminding :) | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:34 |
| eharney | will do | 16:34 |
| thingee | summit will be here before you know it | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | thingee: good thing, because I will certainly forget again :) | 16:34 |
| thingee | ok lets look at new topics | 16:34 |
| hemna | thingee, so do we only have 2 fishbowls planned (according to the etherpad ?) | 16:34 |
| thingee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mitaka-summit-topics | 16:34 |
| thingee | hemna: yes! | 16:34 |
| thingee | so we have four fish bowl slots... we only have two proposed which I agree are fine..just need to have etherpads ready ;) | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: If I can find the time I would be interested in helping with the ABC/zope/etc POCs | 16:35 |
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| thingee | dulek: dulek patrickeast ^ ;) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: excellent | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | Wondering if "Future of Cinder, and getting back to our roots" should move to a fishbowl? | 16:35 |
| thingee | lets take a look at working sessions | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: I will be glad to discuss next VIPR too | 16:35 |
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| thingee | So Milestone deadline ... not sure who put that up... could be a sprint | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: noted | 16:36 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: my bo cinder-without-nova could be related | 16:36 |
| thingee | anyone have thoughts? | 16:36 |
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| hemna | e0ne, a session on attaching cinder volumes w/o nova could be good | 16:36 |
| eharney | i think jgriffith had a different one about deadlines below | 16:36 |
| e0ne | thingee: we could discuss it in a cinder weekly meeting, imo | 16:36 |
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| thingee | #info working session proposal: milestone deadlines | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | eharney: yes, I did | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I agree. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | hemna: will you add a proposal? | 16:37 |
| thingee | I have two agreements | 16:37 |
| thingee | going... | 16:37 |
| thingee | going... | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | I don't know where that one came from either... but not sure it needs a working session slot | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj_ | thingee: I think that is a good place for that discussion. | 16:37 |
| bswartz | milestone deadlines is not my proposal but do have a proposal related to milestone deadlines -- I'll make a ML post | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj_: That being weekly meeting? | 16:37 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: I was also wondering what he was agreeing to :) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj_ | smcginnis: or sprint, don't need a whole session on it. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj_ | thingee: smcginnis Sorry, too many things going on at once. | 16:38 |
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| thingee | #agreed moving milestone deadlines to sprint | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj_ | thingee: ++ | 16:38 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj_, a sprint session would be good for it. I'd like to see any/all deadlines decided upon asap and published. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj_ | hemna: ++ | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: The sooner that starts getting communicated, the better. | 16:39 |
| thingee | #info working session proposal cinder-api microversions | 16:39 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +A | 16:39 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: agree | 16:39 |
| xyang | are we going to add any new minimum feature requirement | 16:39 |
| thingee | scottda: hi | 16:39 |
| scottda | hi | 16:39 |
| scottda | I've already put up spec and code | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Any you think should become minimum? | 16:39 |
| thingee | so we already have the fishbowl session which is experimental api and micro versions | 16:40 |
| thingee | patrickeast: ^ | 16:40 |
| scottda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223803/ #spec | 16:40 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: migration, retype, manage | 16:40 |
| thingee | #info spec for microversions | 16:40 |
| scottda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224910/ #code | 16:40 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223803/ | 16:40 |
| scottda | I thought we might need a session to iron out details | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj_ | xyang: What would we add to the minimum? | 16:40 |
| thingee | #info code for microversions | 16:40 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224910/ | 16:40 |
| xyang | jungleboyj_: let me just add a note to the etherpad | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Seems reasonable. | 16:41 |
| thingee | scottda: this is true. the fish bowl will be more user facing... working session can be more of a technical deep dive | 16:41 |
| patrickeast | i kind of like the idea of having another more deep dive in how the microversions will be implemented | 16:41 |
| thingee | patrickeast: does that make sense? ^ | 16:41 |
| hemna | also, FWIW, we seem to have a bunch of things that are looking like dependencies on the microversioning stuff landing early in M | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj_ | xyang: Ok. | 16:41 |
| thingee | patrickeast: yay! | 16:41 |
| patrickeast | thingee: yep :D | 16:41 |
| thingee | #agreed Cinder-api microversion working session deep dive seems good! | 16:42 |
| thingee | scottda: thanks | 16:42 |
| hemna | so the more folks looking at scottda's spec and code the better. | 16:42 |
| thingee | scottda: and thank for already being ready with spec/code | 16:42 |
| scottda | sure. As hemna said, it's a dependency for a few things | 16:42 |
| thingee | #info working session proposal: Remove volume manager locks | 16:42 |
| thingee | hemna: hi | 16:42 |
| hemna | so, I don't think we need a fishbowl for this one as it's more of a deep dive | 16:43 |
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| thingee | hemna: I agree. | 16:43 |
| hemna | this one has some dependencies that need to happen prior to this. | 16:43 |
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| hemna | the microversion stuff that scottda is working on | 16:43 |
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| hemna | as well as gorka's compare/swap changes | 16:43 |
| thingee | hemna: users shouldn't really know or care about this... just that stuff works | 16:43 |
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| hemna | thingee, yah. | 16:43 |
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| hemna | I'm still working on the review for the spec, so any eyes on it at this point would be good. | 16:44 |
| hemna | I'd like to get started on the code soon, but want to iron it out first in spec if possible. | 16:44 |
| thingee | hemna: my question though is what are we going to do differently here? I think last summit we had this similar topic, but it didn't really go anywhere. | 16:44 |
| hemna | thingee, I think there are a few small differences | 16:44 |
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| hemna | mostly the above mentioned dependencies | 16:45 |
| dulek | Maybe a sprint session then? | 16:45 |
| hemna | and the addition of the new 'reading' states that gorka has mentioned as well | 16:45 |
| hemna | those might already be in place now thought, unsure. | 16:45 |
| hemna | the other related topic | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: hemna IMO removal of locks shouldn't need a session at all, just some code | 16:45 |
| hemna | is how to deal with the microversioning stuffs. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | no spec either really | 16:45 |
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| hemna | what to do when the version doesn't match the new code. how to deal with the existing volume manager locks, etc. | 16:46 |
| * jgriffith is no completely confused | 16:46 | |
| hemna | that part I'm unclear on still. | 16:46 |
| hemna | anyway, we can take it offline in #cinder channel | 16:47 |
| scottda | hemna: We can talk. I *think* I've got a picture about how it will work | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | s/is no/is now/ | 16:47 |
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| thingee | ok, just going to leave a note for the next meeting organizer to check back | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | seems to be multiple conversations taking place, none having anything to do with current topic? | 16:47 |
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| hemna | scottda, coolio. microversioning API only changes seems straight forward, but stuff that bleeds into the volume manager is a bit more involved. | 16:47 |
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| thingee | #action scottda will talk to hemna on volume manager locks to see if we need a topic in working session | 16:48 |
| hemna | jgriffith, it's all related. | 16:48 |
| thingee | ok 11 mins for sprints | 16:49 |
| thingee | there's a lot | 16:49 |
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| thingee | one I want to focus on first are the potential to other session types | 16:49 |
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| thingee | #info sprint proposal: Future of Cinder and getting back to our roots | 16:49 |
| thingee | jgriffith: hi! | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hola | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | That might be a good fishbowl as you mentioned (or somebody mentioned) | 16:50 |
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| thingee | so my initial question is the difference here with your working session cinder should/could be the next vipr | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Seems like it might have wide interest. Or impact. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj_ | jgriffith: That makes sense to me. Seems like we want that to be open to a wider audience. | 16:50 |
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| thingee | I know one session is user wide, the other is cinder dev wide | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ahh... yeah, so they're different in my mind | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: one is stressing Cinder/OpenStack is NOT VMware and we are crazy with vendor features | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: the other is, how to make Cinder something more consumable outside of OpenStack | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: and what features to all these "new" abstractions have that we're missing and do they really matter? Or is it just marketing | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | features is not a good choice of words maybe... | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | but more along design | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | are there things we need to look at in our design to offer more flexibility for plugins that does not impact core API | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | that sort of thing... does that clarify at all? | 16:53 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ok, so the future of cinder is more focused on reference implementation | 16:53 |
| thingee | but a catchy title, as you would want... for a fish bowl :) | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: and what do we do with these things like multi-attach, CG's, replication etc etc etc | 16:54 |
| thingee | got it | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | thingee: as in... "don't do them" | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | or "do" | 16:54 |
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| thingee | well, users might be like "I want all the features" | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | thingee: indeed! | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj_ | Do all the things! Now! | 16:54 |
| thingee | but ... some of us will be like "lets give them what they want because it makes my company happy" :) | 16:54 |
| hemna | this sounds like the extensions discussion | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it's not | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | it's about Cinder and what it should be | 16:55 |
| thingee | and some of us will be like "this hurts cinder core, how do we ensure these features work without the reference..." | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | regardless of the other components like extensions, contribs experimental API's and all that craziness | 16:55 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I agree, it's different from extensions. | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: it's more about a robust stable service that's maintainable/supportable | 16:56 |
| thingee | so I think the discussion will play out like that. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: So - should we be adding new features that aren't core across all of not? Is that the point? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | and actually "works" without being a mess of spaghetti code and weird hacks all over the place | 16:56 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I'm all for that :) re: fixing nova <--> cinder interactions. | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yes, that's part of the point absolutely | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | s/of not/or not/ | 16:56 |
| * thingee is standing because there is a spider somewhere on his desk | 16:57 | |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | thingee: you don't like spiders? | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 16:57 |
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| * jgriffith doesn't like them either... can't tell what kind of mood they're in | 16:57 | |
| thingee | jgriffith: not quick black spiders | 16:57 |
| bswartz | only 2 minutes left | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | My wife would be screaming bloody murder. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | ha | 16:57 |
| diablo_rojo | it's the eyes...too many of them.. | 16:57 |
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| * hemna grabs the shotgun..... | 16:58 | |
| e0ne | :) | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: yeah, I don't trust anything with more than 3 eyes | 16:58 |
| thingee | ok... so fishbowl wise, I'm not sure the user can contribute to this. | 16:58 |
| xyang | can we not talk about bugs here?:) | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, may be a good point | 16:58 |
| thingee | it might be good to get user/ops feedback though, because we're essentially saying we want to move away from providing all the features | 16:58 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: so people with glasses are untrustworthy? | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and honestly we as a dev team may not be able to even agree on anything here anyway | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: those aren't eyes... just lenses :) | 16:59 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think it's going to be the next interesting move for the cinder PTL | 16:59 |
| scottda | thingee: ++ I think user/ops will care about this | 16:59 |
| thingee | *hint hint* | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | thingee: indeed!! | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | IMO it really could be a make or break for Cinder | 16:59 |
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| thingee | you want fame and glamour cinder ptl, this decision is it | 16:59 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: okay good :) | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | No pressure future PTL :) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj_ | When are the election results? | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Hah, fame and glamour. | 16:59 |
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| thingee | ok we're out of time.. | 17:00 |
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| thingee | thanks all for letting me lead the team for two cycles | 17:00 |
| thingee | been a pleasure | 17:00 |
| thingee | and I'm not disappearing | 17:00 |
| thingee | so no rumors | 17:00 |
| geguileo | thingee: thank you for leading!! | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks thingee! | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj_: 13:00 UTC Sept 24 | 17:00 |
| hemna | thingee, yah nice job man. | 17:00 |
| tbarron | thingee: thanks! | 17:00 |
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| scottda | thank | 17:00 |
| e0ne | thingee: thanks for leading! | 17:00 |
| kmartin | thanks thingee | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | thanks Mike!!! | 17:00 |
| dulek | thanks! | 17:00 |
| eharney | don't let that spider take you out :) thanks for the leadership | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 23 17:00:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-23-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-23-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| thingee | the final thing said in my final meeting chairing is eharney say don't let that spider take you out | 17:01 |
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| thingee | nice | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | :D | 17:01 |
| hemna | :) | 17:01 |
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| geguileo | XD | 17:01 |
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| cebruns | haha | 17:02 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 23 20:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| prazumovsky | hi all! | 20:00 |
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| Drago | o/ | 20:00 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:00 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | this will be my last meeting as PTL! | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | oh, skraynev is here | 20:02 |
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| shardy_afk | o/ | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: ping | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic adding items to the agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-09-23_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to the agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-09-23_2000_UTC.29 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| zaneb | oh, it's that week | 20:02 |
| * ryansb is late for attendance | 20:03 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-09-23_2000_UTC.29 | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #topic rc1 is out, lets go through potential rc2 bugs | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc1 is out, lets go through potential rc2 bugs (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:04 | |
| stevebaker | rc1 is indeed out! | 20:04 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: loved your PTL candidacy message btw | 20:04 |
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| skraynev_ | do we have a list ? | 20:04 |
| pas-ha | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-rc-potential | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | of potential bugs ? | 20:04 |
| pas-ha | this one? | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | pas-ha: thx :) | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | we have a regression on nova-network, so we'll need an rc2 | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1498079 | 20:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498079 in heat "Heat stack creation fails with 501: HttpNotImplemented Error" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 20:05 |
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| pas-ha | also I would vote this goes in rc2 too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226504/ | 20:06 |
| zaneb | people can't stop using nova-network too soon | 20:06 |
| pas-ha | (volume error status on delete afterfix) | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: your message and article mentioned in it inspired me :) | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | so this is a good chance to fix any other bugs that should get to liberty | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-rc-potential | 20:06 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: actually I just cunningly timed it so I could take credit for what I knew was going to happen anyway ;) | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | especially gate failures, since this will make getting backports in a real pain | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: could you raise a dedicated bug for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226504/ ? | 20:07 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I mean... I could | 20:08 |
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| pas-ha | just for housekeeping :) | 20:08 |
| zaneb | can't we just post a backport and approve it? | 20:08 |
| zaneb | it's really part of the same bug | 20:08 |
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| stevebaker | we should reopen that bug then | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: good move :) | 20:09 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I don't mind, just seems like it would be easier to find later if it's all one bug | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: too late, I've reopened, and approved the change with Closes-Bug | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | ++ | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | while we're on this topic, there are only a couple of test failures on the convergence test, it would be great if we could get fixes for those into rc2 | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1498660 | 20:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498660 in heat "Convergence: test_stack_update_replace_with_ip_rollback failure" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Rakesh H S (rh-s) | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1486281 | 20:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486281 in heat "convergence functional tests sometimes timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rakesh H S (rh-s) | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: some thought may need to be given to restore_after_rollback on convergence for https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1498660 | 20:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498660 in heat "Convergence: test_stack_update_replace_with_ip_rollback failure" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Rakesh H S (rh-s) | 20:13 |
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| * skraynev_ is surprised.. | 20:14 | |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: will take a look tomorrow | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | ok, Rakesh may come up with something too | 20:15 |
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| skraynev_ | sure, I don't mind | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | #topic state of the gate | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | ... is pants | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | I will discuss it with him | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 20:16 |
| shardy | stevebaker: what's broken now? I thought things were merging pretty quickly pre-rc1 | 20:16 |
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| shardy | Or at least, there were a few hours where things were going fairly smoothly ;) | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | shardy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1496555 is happening a lot, I'll take a look at that today | 20:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496555 in heat "Software Deployment metadata timeout" [High,Triaged] | 20:16 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Aha, that's actually possibly a good thing, as I believe it's manifesting via TripleO CI failures too | 20:17 |
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| shardy | at least we have a heat specific reproducer now | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: hmm, I sure hope not. my theory is that it is a test race rather than a real bug, but I could be wrong | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | there is this one too https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1497157 | 20:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497157 in heat "heat_integrationtests.functional.test_resource_group.ResourceGroupTest.test_props_update fails " [Medium,Triaged] | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | which is unassigned currently | 20:20 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, try to rename test/module, that should change the test balance between workers | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | see if it helps | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: I don't even vaguely understand what you're talking about :) | 20:21 |
| shardy | stevebaker: ramishra has been investigating a similar/same issue I believe | 20:21 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: if nobody else takes it I'll chat to him tomorrow and see if he might pick it up | 20:22 |
| pas-ha | if it is a race, it happens due some other particular test being run in parallel. you should try to make it spread test differently between workers, might help | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | hmm, that sounds like a real bug then | 20:22 |
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| pas-ha | or at least prove it is a race | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | yeah | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | #topic Liberty release notes | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | I made a start https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-liberty-release-notes | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-liberty-release-notes | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | we need a short paragraph for the state of convergence, I'll write one if nobody else does. | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | any links to blueprints will become a single line summary of the change | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | 30 new resources, thats epic (sure, many were in contrib) | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | there's one thing wrong there - I've only marked nova flavor as admin-only resource for now https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/etc/heat/policy.json | 20:26 |
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| pas-ha | line 79 | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: sure, but default openstack policy will make those other admin resources fail even if they're visible | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | yes, that's true | 20:26 |
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| pas-ha | but idea was to fail early | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | we should probably add policy for the OS::Keystone::* too then | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | i mean the part "only visible to" is not yet corerct | 20:28 |
| pas-ha | but we could quickly patch policy.json for that, will do tomorrow | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: assuming they customise their policy, which they should. I wouldn't want to tie down the default policy too much | 20:28 |
| shardy | I'm confused, are we proposing per-resource policy defined in heat? | 20:29 |
| pas-ha | shardy, it is already there | 20:29 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: could you please add also note about batching for create/update for RG? | 20:29 |
| * zaneb can't wait to see the keystone devs reaction when they hear about this ;) | 20:29 | |
| pas-ha | hiding/denying create for admin-only resources | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: actually, lets leave the flavor on there as the example, but just encourage operators to write their own appropriate policy | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | looks like it was missed in etherpad | 20:29 |
| pas-ha | ok, sounds reasonable | 20:30 |
| shardy | pas-ha: where, I only see per API path ones in policy.json? | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: like 26, it will become a bullet summary | 20:30 |
| pas-ha | shardy, https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/etc/heat/policy.json#L79 | 20:30 |
| shardy | IMO we really shouldn't be doing anything which enforces per resource policy, it's impossible to do correctly without a centralized policy service/repository | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes, so lets document that it is up to the operators to write their policy | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I see. missed links on bps. was shocked by huge list of new resources :) | 20:31 |
| zaneb | shardy: that's true, but we'll be waiting forever for keystone to come up with that | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: thx ;) | 20:31 |
| pas-ha | its not even keystone I believe, isn't it Congress? | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | like 93, can you please comment on Upgrading from Kilo to Liberty? | 20:31 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: No! | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | do we need more? | 20:32 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: thanks, I missed that off the bottom of my screen ;) | 20:32 |
| shardy | zaneb: I guess, it still seems wrong to me, but at least it can be documented and easily bypassed | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | no comments on line 93-94? | 20:35 |
| zaneb | shardy: it's not wrong so much as just a filthy, error-prone hack. basically what got us where we are today ;) | 20:35 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: do we have rpc version pinning yet? | 20:35 |
| shardy | zaneb: keystone v3 actually already has a policy interface, only nobody uses it | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: no from my side | 20:35 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I thought we did not, in which case we should mention that as a reason to take the service down | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: I don't think so. however | 20:36 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: unless we do, it which case we should mention how to pin it across an upgrade | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: as long as the first service instances to be upgraded includes engines wouldn't that allow any new RPC requests to be serviced? | 20:37 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: engines talk to engines now (for nested stacks), so no | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: multiple engines then | 20:38 |
| zaneb | or at least, not necessarily | 20:38 |
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| shardy | zaneb: how is that different to API->engine if both use the rpc client API? | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | ok, I'll finish of the release notes and put them on the wiki. We can continue to edit if necessary | 20:39 |
| zaneb | shardy: a new engine can send a message to an old engine even if you update all the engines before the apis | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | #chair skraynev_ zaneb | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: +1 | 20:39 |
| openstack | Current chairs: skraynev_ stevebaker zaneb | 20:39 |
| shardy | zaneb: aha, thx | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | I need to do the school run | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | #topic Summit session topics | 20:40 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: ok. | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: its over to you :) | 20:40 |
| skraynev_ | yeah. it's mine | 20:40 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: this is your topic anyway :) | 20:40 |
| skraynev_ | I have prepared this etherpad: | 20:40 |
| skraynev_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-heat-sessions | 20:40 |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-heat-sessions | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | so welcome with ideas and comments about several already existing topics | 20:41 |
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| skraynev_ | I just added the most important topics with description, as I see it. | 20:42 |
| jdob | there's going to be at least one proposed about the resource capabilities stuff. i'll work with shardy about getting it written up | 20:42 |
| shardy | skraynev_: I'd like to propose a session on composition enhancements (the capabilities spec which is currently blocked) | 20:42 |
| jdob | right, that one :) | 20:42 |
| shardy | jdob: haha ;) | 20:42 |
| shardy | skraynev_: I'll add it to the etherpad for consideration | 20:43 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: sure. Could you add to etherpad ? | 20:43 |
| skraynev_ | yeah :) | 20:43 |
| pas-ha | shardy, jdob is that on checking/formalizing resource interfaces? | 20:43 |
| jdob | ya, and also the introspection-y APIs to ask questions about them | 20:44 |
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| pas-ha | ok | 20:44 |
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| jdob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196656/ <-- that one | 20:45 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196656/ | 20:45 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: it's about making advanced composition via the resource_registry easier | 20:45 |
| pas-ha | yeah, remember it | 20:45 |
| shardy | I thought we were close to consensus in the spec review, then zaneb disagreed ;) | 20:46 |
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| shardy | So it'd be good to try to get a common understanding | 20:46 |
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| shardy | I may hack on some PoC code beforehand if I have time | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | my objections were somewhat lessened by face to face discussion | 20:46 |
| zaneb | but I do think a workroom session on this would be great | 20:46 |
| jdob | note to self: physical intimidation works with zaneb | 20:47 |
| shardy | lol | 20:47 |
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| shardy | zaneb: that's good to hear, but it'd be good to get folks agreement so we can get on with implementing it/something | 20:47 |
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| shardy | zaneb: you're welcome to remove your -1 if you now don't mind the idea ;) | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: anyway we have a lot of slots... and small list of sessions :) | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | shardy: that would require me to read it again and try to remember what I think ;) | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | so currently it's possible to nominate for session, I suppose ;) | 20:48 |
| pas-ha | we could try inviting Murano people to that session as well | 20:48 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: Yup, that would be good, I was looking for feedback on how this fits with the murano composition concepts | 20:49 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: so one of the things that reduced my objection was finding out that Murano doesn't attempt to do anything similar | 20:49 |
| zaneb | unlike what I had assumed | 20:50 |
| shardy | AFAICT they are complimentary, in that murano composition is much higher level | 20:50 |
| shardy | e.g wiring instances together doing different things, vs composing multiple fragments to build one instance | 20:50 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb, shardy: anything else about current topic ? | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | not from me | 20:52 |
| skraynev_ | or may move to the last one ? ;) | 20:52 |
| skraynev_ | #topic How we deal with new API versions | 20:52 |
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| skraynev_ | I have added this one after reading mail thread related with lbaas v2 API resources | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | (back) | 20:53 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg63942.html | 20:53 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: I'd always assumed we'd aim to support the latest stable API for any services, in the corresponding Heat release | 20:54 |
| pas-ha | afaik for now we've only had a cinder vs cinder v2 | 20:54 |
| skraynev_ | last idea was to use another name space for lbaas v2 resources, like OS::lbaas | 20:54 |
| shardy | I know we've sometimes failed at that and had an older version in some cases | 20:54 |
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| kfox1111 | ideally, the newest api for a service will be a superset of the previous versions, and so the resource doesn't have to change and is transparent to the user. | 20:54 |
| pas-ha | and cinder v1 is to be removed in M | 20:55 |
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| zaneb | shardy: that's easy when there are no backward compatibility issues | 20:55 |
| kfox1111 | the odd thing about lbaasv2 is that it is basically a completely different service then lbaasv1. | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | what is neutron's migration story? will existing state from v1 be moved to v2 during cloud upgrade? | 20:55 |
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| zaneb | but generally new api versions exist because... there are | 20:55 |
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| shardy | kfox1111: invariably for the rest API's thats never the case, because folks only bump major versions when they want to make major/breaking changes | 20:55 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: agree with zaneb | 20:55 |
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| kfox1111 | see cinder or glance api changes. listing images works through both api's. | 20:55 |
| pas-ha | shardy, just like we are doing | 20:56 |
| kfox1111 | but lbaasv1 vs v2 wont. | 20:56 |
| zaneb | I think shardy and I are saying the same thing | 20:56 |
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| skraynev_ | if we support only last one and don't have real huge differences it's not difficult | 20:56 |
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| skraynev_ | but looks like we can do the same for lbaas | 20:56 |
| kfox1111 | for services where v1 -> v2 keeps all your stuff, yeah. | 20:56 |
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| shardy | kfox1111: This sounds like another example of a uniquely broken neutron API which we'll have to somehow paper over then :( | 20:57 |
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| kfox1111 | but if v1 and v2 are seperate services, there's a migration period where users may need to support v1 and v2 at the same time while migration happens. | 20:57 |
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| kfox1111 | shardy: yeah. :( | 20:57 |
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| zaneb | shardy: surely not :P | 20:57 |
| kfox1111 | I think they assumed wrongly that v1 was never used and they started fresh. :/ | 20:57 |
| shardy | kfox1111: I agree that the basic functionality should be maintained, even if the interfaces aren't identical | 20:57 |
| * shardy sighs | 20:57 | |
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| kfox1111 | so since they are completely seperate, the cleanest thing would be to have a completely different set of resources. :/ | 20:58 |
| shardy | LbaasV2 resource and deprecate the old one then? | 20:58 |
| pas-ha | I am basically in favor of ::LBaaS:: naming | 20:58 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 20:58 |
| shardy | it's dumb that we have to even consider that tho :( | 20:58 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: no. please without suffix V* :) | 20:58 |
| kfox1111 | The other possibilty is that the resource names are different enough that the resources could figure out if it was a v1 or v2 api. | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | it would be good to get some lbaas folk in the room for that session | 20:58 |
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| kfox1111 | I think v1 calls lb's pools, and v2 calls them lb's. | 20:59 |
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| zaneb | kfox1111: well +1 for sanity there anyway | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | 1 minute | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | kfox1111: we can always add properties which explicitly state what version to use | 20:59 |
| pas-ha | AFAIR there is now a real LB resource (our current Neutron one is an artificial Heat-only thing) | 20:59 |
| shardy | skraynev_: heh, I just mean, if they actually do a different thing, we'll have to name them differently | 20:59 |
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| zaneb | will the v2 API support the pattern where we have a resource for the LB member that we put inside the scaled template of a scaling group? | 21:00 |
| kfox1111 | a couple of things like poolmembers I think are the same, but heat could use the suplied lbid and ask neutron which version it belongs to, and then use the right api. but thats more work. but easier on the user. | 21:00 |
| kfox1111 | I'm good either way. | 21:00 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: oops. got it. but please do not use version in names still ;) | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | out of time | 21:00 |
| kfox1111 | zaneb: I sure hope so. Its very broken otherwise. :/ | 21:00 |
| shardy | times up! | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | let's continue in #heat | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 23 21:00:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-23-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-23-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-23-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 23 21:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time! who's here? | 21:01 |
| wbhuber | o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | here | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| peluse | hola | 21:01 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| ho | hi | 21:01 |
| kota_ | Hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: clayg: ? | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | ‽ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles_: said he'd be a few minutes late | 21:02 |
| MooingLemur | 🐄 | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: do you see clayg in the office? (assuming you're there) | 21:03 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: yeah, he's over there | 21:03 |
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| acoles | here | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get started then | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so, Liberty is upon us | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | all together now: | 21:03 |
| notmyname | AAAAAUGHHHHH! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | /thatsoutoftheway | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:04 |
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| torgomatic | hooray, another time-based release | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so yeah, we've got to cut our liberty release at the end of next week | 21:04 |
| torgomatic | deadline-driven development | 21:04 |
| peluse | 3 cheers for technical debt | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | yeah, I wonder if the concept of shorter cycles would go over with the rest of the world | 21:05 |
| notmyname | oh well... | 21:05 |
| torgomatic | hip hip... segmentation fault | 21:05 |
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| jrichli | lol | 21:05 |
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| mattoliverau | lol, is there something in the water over in the US today, you all seem extra sarcastic :P | 21:05 |
| notmyname | looking at what we've got left and what we want our collective name on for the release, I've put together a list of priorities for this week and next | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | I want to go through that list today | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 226707 | 21:06 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226707/ | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | this patch has a little history | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so it was filed as a security bug | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | but a few hours ago donagh published the patch publicly to gerrit | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so we need to make sure we resolve it quickly and get it in the release | 21:07 |
| notmyname | cschwede has looked at it | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | and it looks like it needs another patch set | 21:07 |
| cschwede | … and will publish a new patchset in the morning, if there is no change inbetween | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to have another core on it too, so we can land it quickly | 21:08 |
| notmyname | preferably not someone who is neck-deep in EC work | 21:08 |
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| acoles | i was about to offer | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | I'll take a look | 21:08 |
| peluse | no! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: heh | 21:08 |
| peluse | hey mattoliverau you still have to look at patch 211338 also :) | 21:08 |
| patchbot | peluse: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211338/ | 21:09 |
| notmyname | yeah, mattoliverau has several things :-) | 21:09 |
| acoles | i am a little familar with it | 21:09 |
| notmyname | so between mattoliverau and cschwede, get it reviewed and landed asap | 21:09 |
| cschwede | acoles: mattoliverau: that would be great, because we’ll be online in a few hours again ;) | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I'll look at all the things! | 21:09 |
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| peluse | go mattoliverau! | 21:09 |
| acoles | cschwede: is it really just a few hours ;) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 222799 | 21:09 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222799/ | 21:09 |
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| clayg | ohia | 21:10 |
| notmyname | this patch has to do with some ring stuff. which is hairy | 21:10 |
| notmyname | clayg: is looking at this. with (I think) torgomatic and maybe timburke | 21:10 |
| notmyname | clayg: what do you need on this? where do you need help? what's the high-level summary? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | and is it going to require another patch for the duplicate parts to land next week too? | 21:11 |
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| clayg | notmyname: so i'm not really looking at that patch anymore | 21:11 |
| notmyname | heh, ok | 21:12 |
| notmyname | new plan! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | what is it? | 21:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: I *thought* that if we just validated against it we'd be fine since it probably only comes up if your ring topology is stupid | 21:12 |
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| clayg | but it turns out the stupidity of your topology is fairly wide and I'd rather just not do that anymore | 21:12 |
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| clayg | so I'm pretty sure I'm going to add some specific fixes for that particular bad and then add the validate | 21:13 |
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| clayg | I'm trying *not* to get caught in the ever elusive general solution which has tempted so many of our brave soldiers | 21:13 |
| cschwede | clayg: so that means you’re still working on it? or is it ready for review? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I think it might mean we don't care about that particular patch | 21:14 |
| clayg | but it's really hard! when you see the parts are just not *quite* right it's very tempting to add a sort or check a tier and look and a weight and tweak tweak tweak | 21:14 |
| cschwede | notmyname: k | 21:14 |
| peluse | cschwede: I speak clayg, let me help.. "no, I'm not" | 21:14 |
| clayg | cschwede: I'll *care* about it - in that it'll be the first in a series of a chain of 2 or 3 patches | 21:15 |
| clayg | 1) blow if if we do something stupid | 21:15 |
| clayg | 2) don't do something stupid | 21:15 |
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| clayg | 3) do something smart | 21:15 |
| MooingLemur | I don't think it's as simple as "bad" topology. At this very moment I can't seem to get a 4-device (two host) three replica ring of equal weights not to end up with duplicate replica assingments. | 21:15 |
| clayg | 3 is optional | 21:15 |
| clayg | MooingLemur: quite right sir! | 21:15 |
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| clayg | hince 1) has been deamed not sufficient! | 21:15 |
| clayg | but maybe nessecary | 21:15 |
| notmyname | got it | 21:16 |
| notmyname | so patch 222799 should still be reviewed, but there will be at least one more after it | 21:16 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222799/ | 21:16 |
| notmyname | right? | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah - but i'm going to WIP it because i'm finding some more tests with stupid rings that I want to fix in the first batch | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:16 |
| clayg | basically once we add this check I want every test to be solvalbe - i've found a few that don't call validate and hence weren't currently blowing up even after adding the check | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so regardless of it being WIP, we need some other cores (and non-cores) to keep up with it to be ready to review asap | 21:17 |
| notmyname | any volunteers? | 21:17 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:17 |
| notmyname | normally for ring stuff I'd say torgomatic and cschwede | 21:17 |
| clayg | cschwede: thanks! torgomatic is probably on the hook too :P | 21:17 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:17 |
| clayg | torgomatic: don't try to back away now | 21:17 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: he said "I'm really curious to see what you come up with" | 21:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: but it sure sounded like he said "good fucking luck smartass" | 21:18 |
| notmyname | clayg: that pretty much means he has to co author it, right? ;-) | 21:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: only if he wants to keep me from doing something horribly stupid | 21:18 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok, we've got that patch triaged | 21:18 |
| notmyname | now the next hairy one | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #topic path 215276 | 21:19 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it's not so bad - I think we can get in a world of better way shortly | 21:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: this is yours | 21:19 |
| notmyname | it's WIP and you and clayg have been beating on it for a while | 21:19 |
| acoles | so this about being able to get an object that has missing durables | 21:19 |
| notmyname | optimistic gets? | 21:19 |
| acoles | yes its WIP but its getting close | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: acoles is a real champ - he's making tons of progress - peluse and I owe him much appreciation! | 21:19 |
| acoles | yes optimistic gets | 21:19 |
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| peluse | and beer | 21:19 |
| acoles | the optimistic part is simple | 21:19 |
| * peluse is optimistic | 21:20 | |
| clayg | peluse: i'll take some beer! or saki or w/e we can find | 21:20 |
| acoles | but being smart about what to do when it doesn't work out is harder | 21:20 |
| * acoles consumes anything in a glass | 21:20 | |
| peluse | oh yeah... so acoles are you ready for more eyes on it or do you need a bit more time? | 21:20 |
| clayg | acoles: i threw in one more random idea that seems like it might be good in the last comment | 21:20 |
| clayg | acoles: it's something torgomatic and I have been kicking around | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | there is beer in vending machines in Japan, so finding beer should be easy ;) | 21:20 |
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| acoles | peluse: yes eyes would be good, as long as you're ok with things changing after you thought they were great already! | 21:21 |
| acoles | clayg: ok. thanks | 21:21 |
| peluse | story of my life! | 21:21 |
| acoles | peluse: heh | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok, so peluse will be looking at this with acoles | 21:21 |
| peluse | for sure | 21:21 |
| notmyname | clayg: you're doing ring stuff instead of this, right? | 21:21 |
| peluse | I heard "both" like bo Jackson type shit | 21:22 |
| notmyname | kota_: could you take some time to look at this patch and help out where possible? | 21:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: indeed I am - but I feel very guilty about it! (and the 100 other things that I would love to do) | 21:22 |
| * clayg is such a poser | 21:22 | |
| clayg | kota_: !!! | 21:22 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:22 |
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| acoles | turns out that i got the alt-frags thing that peluse started working on for free with 21526 | 21:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: it's good you're looking at the ring stuff | 21:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: kota_ has his *own* awesome patches that need review - minwoo too | 21:22 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 21:23 |
| peluse | FREE! Wheeeeee! | 21:23 |
| kota_ | patch 186735 | 21:23 |
| patchbot | kota_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186735/ | 21:23 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: acctually it may be more helpful to t... oh shit - you already +2'd those :\ | 21:23 |
| notmyname | hang on that's next :-) | 21:23 |
| peluse | what was the middle thing? | 21:23 |
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| clayg | which middle? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 186735 | 21:23 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186735/ | 21:23 |
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| peluse | never saw fish called wanda huh? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | this is kota's patch to fix the possible missing container updates | 21:24 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau has already been looking at this | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I had just started before the meeting, so I'll take it too | 21:24 |
| kota_ | yeah, that's one I am working. | 21:24 |
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| acoles | ohyeah thats important | 21:24 |
| clayg | oh yeah that was it - mattoliverau saw some better to grab | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | kota_: is there anything you need on this one? I see that mattoliverau has some suggestions for the next patch set | 21:25 |
| kota_ | I think, what I have to do is fixisng according matt's comment. | 21:25 |
| kota_ | that's all for this one, maybe? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 21:25 |
| notmyname | we'll get it reviewed as soon as you get the new patch set up | 21:26 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 211338 | 21:26 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211338/ | 21:26 |
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| kota_ | ok, I'll push it after this meeting.. | 21:26 |
| peluse | so kota looked at this as did mattoliverau and clayg added some rockin updates. I think its ready for review although there's a small grammar thingy in the commit message | 21:26 |
| notmyname | peluse: this one is yours. same questions | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:26 |
| peluse | answers before you asked.... ^ | 21:26 |
| notmyname | commit message grammar is a nit | 21:26 |
| peluse | yeah that's why I left it | 21:26 |
| notmyname | who cares unless there is another patch set | 21:26 |
| notmyname | so kota_ and mattoliverau are on this patch as reviewers? | 21:27 |
| peluse | if mattoliverauand kota can give it a possible final once over its done | 21:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: idk, i like commit message grammer to be correct :\ | 21:27 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: you of all people?! ;-) | 21:27 |
| clayg | is there a nit on that one - i'm sure me or paul could fix it | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 21:27 |
| peluse | clayg: I think you messed up the commit message actually :) | 21:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: no I mean - i just get embarassed when I say something stupid in a commit message :\ | 21:27 |
| peluse | I can fix for sure and need to add clayg as author as well | 21:27 |
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| clayg | so when someone spots it for me I *prefer* to fix it on my patches - but I almost *never* spot it in others - i read to fast - go stright to intent | 21:28 |
| peluse | I'l do that real quick here, no cod echanges though | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok, fine. there's not a +2 on it already so no real harm | 21:28 |
| notmyname | kota_: are you ok to review this one too? | 21:28 |
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| kota_ | ok | 21:28 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:28 |
| notmyname | good news! that's the end of the "Critical" list | 21:29 |
| notmyname | bad news! there's quite a few of them | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | #topic patch 220059 | 21:29 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220059/ | 21:29 |
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| kota_ | quickly my turn! | 21:29 |
| notmyname | high priority, this is kota_'s patch so that bad status codes don't have a quorum of good | 21:29 |
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| kota_ | oh, yeah simlar one with previous container update | 21:30 |
| notmyname | kota_: any updates here or is it ready for review? | 21:30 |
| kota_ | but this is a part of successful commit. | 21:30 |
| clayg | kota_: should this be critical? | 21:30 |
| kota_ | might be | 21:30 |
| clayg | kota_: I don't really understand the implications - it'd be easier on me if you just told me | 21:30 |
| kota_ | and just waiting to be reviewed. | 21:31 |
| kota_ | clayg: nice | 21:31 |
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| kota_ | the patch cares of the handling of quorum before commits. | 21:32 |
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| kota_ | currently the quorum check before commit put might think quorum 4xx as success and will put commit. | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | yeah, probably should be moved up to critical | 21:33 |
| notmyname | acoles: torgomatic: can you take a look at this one for review? | 21:33 |
| clayg | not acoles | 21:33 |
| acoles | yup | 21:33 |
| acoles | nope | 21:33 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:33 |
| clayg | lol | 21:33 |
| torgomatic | what? | 21:33 |
| acoles | yes i can | 21:33 |
| kota_ | thanks. | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: can you review this patch? | 21:34 |
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| torgomatic | sure | 21:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: torgomatic: thanks | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 211726 | 21:34 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211726/ | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | this is a lower priority, difinitely | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | cool new feature | 21:34 |
| notmyname | already has 1 +2, and I think mattoliverau is looking at it today | 21:35 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah I am | 21:35 |
| notmyname | however, if it doesn't land today or tomorrow, I think it probably drops the list | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | I see a new patchset is up, so I'll probably do that first thing this morning while it's till in my brain | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | #topic patch 177195 | 21:35 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177195/ | 21:35 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: what are you *not* doing today? :) | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | another kota_ patch | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | this one has a merge conflict on it, and it's set as low priority | 21:36 |
| kota_ | oh, yeah | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: lol | 21:36 |
| kota_ | I'm not working on this for now. | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:36 |
| wbhuber | kota_: i looked at the patch - it needs a lot of rebasing and some change in the code to prevent decode when there's an invalid EC scheme | 21:36 |
| kota_ | exactly | 21:37 |
| wbhuber | kota_: on top of the changes introduced by etag buckets, etc. etc. | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | then at this point, I think we should drop it from the list of liberty patches | 21:37 |
| notmyname | any objections? | 21:37 |
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| kota_ | It's ok to drop this, I have to reconsider the way to validate that. | 21:38 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | #topic patch 196848 | 21:38 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196848/ | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | minwoob: this one is yours | 21:38 |
| notmyname | it's also set at low priority. is that correct? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | minwoob: what is it doing, what do you need for it? | 21:39 |
| acoles | kota_: we might be able to add that feature into the new get/etag bucket class in patch 21526 | 21:39 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21526/ | 21:39 |
| acoles | patch 215276 | 21:39 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ | 21:39 |
| notmyname | minwoob: ? | 21:39 |
| kota_ | acoles: thanks, I'll take a look at that! | 21:40 |
| notmyname | perhaps he stepped away | 21:40 |
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| wbhuber | notmyname: checking on minwoob.... | 21:40 |
| notmyname | cschwede: can you look at minwoob's patch for review? | 21:40 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: IRC stopped working for minwoob | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ah | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | wbhuber: do you know the status of the patch? | 21:40 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: a second... | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:41 |
| cschwede | notmyname: i’ll have a look | 21:41 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: minwoob said it's ready for rewview. | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: last I looked it was in pretty good shape | 21:41 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: thanks for the relay :-) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:41 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: "it's an optimization moreso than a make-everything-ok fix | 21:41 |
| notmyname | ok, makes sense as low priority then | 21:41 |
| notmyname | #topic etc | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | ok, those are that patches that I'm tracking for liberty | 21:42 |
| notmyname | we've got cores signed up for review on them. thank you | 21:42 |
| notmyname | so what else? | 21:42 |
| peluse | EC perf | 21:42 |
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| wbhuber | peluse: well done on compiling the results (a living one tho) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: minwoob: ho: your help would be greatly appreciated on these patches too | 21:42 |
| peluse | so I need to update the report out and post and have some discussion. FYI the 50/50 numbers were all half of reality (my error making the graphs) | 21:42 |
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| peluse | not sure if everyone saw them but watch IRC later and I'll post the next ver on google doc | 21:43 |
| notmyname | peluse: cool | 21:43 |
| peluse | the one concerning thing is the amount of mem used at a storage node - need to dig into that. it was was higher than I epxecte | 21:43 |
| jrichli | It would be great to get some feedback on Conditional GETs latest proposal: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 21:44 |
| peluse | other than that I think it suports "yes, Ec is usable and yeah it makes more sense for larger objects but still does pretty well with smaller (4MBish) as well" | 21:44 |
| acoles | jrichli: ack | 21:44 |
| notmyname | peluse: that's good news :-) | 21:44 |
| peluse | plus I'll run once more test to prove the suggstion on segment size (proxy chunk * n_data is best) | 21:45 |
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| peluse | torgomatic: if you have any thoughts on how the mime additions to obj setver PUT might dramatically increase mem usage let me know :) | 21:45 |
| jrichli | acole: thx | 21:45 |
| notmyname | as a reminder, any critical bugs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift will block a release | 21:45 |
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| torgomatic | peluse: I can't see it being that much, but what do I know? | 21:46 |
| peluse | torgomatic: I have no evidence of that BTW, just thinking out loud. Tomorrow I devise some tests to try and see where the hog is | 21:46 |
| minwoob_ | peluse: With the new recommendation on segment size, are we still going with object size < segment size as the threshold for using replication within EC policies? | 21:46 |
| peluse | whoa, huh? | 21:46 |
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| clayg | wait - what's the new recommendation on segment size? | 21:46 |
| peluse | replication within Ec policies? | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | minwoob_: none of that has been implemented yet | 21:46 |
| tdasilva | peluse: I don't remember if it stated on the ppt, but is it safe to assume it is using the intel ec library? are there any comparisons between other alg? | 21:47 |
| peluse | clayg: thinking that its proxy chunk size * n_data | 21:47 |
| clayg | i think if you sub within/instead that sentence parses better for me | 21:47 |
| peluse | tdasilva: not in this report but there are lots of micro reports on the librariies, they're all very similar | 21:47 |
| notmyname | tdasilva! I didn't see you there :-) | 21:47 |
| minwoob | The plan was to store objects less than a certain size, with replication, rather than EC, even if a client had specified a particular EC scheme. | 21:48 |
| peluse | tdasilva: but yes my testing was using isa-l | 21:48 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: isa-l is better. unless you're using amd chips. then it's the same | 21:48 |
| clayg | peluse: wow that's a really specific suggestion - and makes it hard to tweak your proxy_chunk_size - but i guess most folks just eat the default neway | 21:48 |
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| peluse | minwoob: we're a ways from doing something like that automatically | 21:48 |
| tdasilva | peluse, notmyname: got it | 21:48 |
| minwoob | So that's what I mean by 'threshold' | 21:48 |
| peluse | minwoob: right now its one or the other | 21:48 |
| peluse | clayg: I think thinking you'd set your Ec segment size based on what proxy chunk is set to and what ratio you choose | 21:48 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I didn't sign you up for any of the patch reviews ;-) | 21:49 |
| peluse | clayg: so all defaults considered if using 10:14 you're better off using 640K segment isntead of 1MB segment (per data) | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i was planning to look at Tim's SLO one | 21:49 |
| acoles | tdasilva gets everything else ;) | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | unless mattoliverau merges that first | 21:49 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I'm hoping that lands very very soon (as soon as mattoliverau looks at it again) | 21:50 |
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| peluse | clayg: wrt the comment on it beign very specific, keep in mind that 1MB was pulled out of our asses 18 months ago :) | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: patch 186735 and patch 211338 are where I'd start. or helping acoles with patch 215276 | 21:50 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186735/ | 21:50 |
| torgomatic | pseudorectal number generation | 21:50 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211338/ | 21:50 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ | 21:50 |
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| acoles | torgomatic: LOL | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | maybe tdasilva can also look at the cross-reseller COPY thing, he is copy middlewaer man. :P | 21:51 |
| notmyname | oh yeah! | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:51 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone this week? any questions on what to work on? | 21:51 |
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| clayg | well and I think we got pretty close to 640 guessing at 1000 - i'm just wondering how much better 640 is than 512 and if an 12:4 would really benifit from approaching backup twoards 1MB | 21:51 |
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| peluse | clayg: see the slides... I tested both. not a HUGE gain but better | 21:51 |
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| clayg | peluse: great! | 21:52 |
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| peluse | clayg if 12:4 one would think 768 would be only slightly better than 1MB | 21:53 |
| * tdasilva is sorry for not keeping up with copy middleware...been consumed by swift-on-everything recently | 21:53 | |
| notmyname | please don't hesitate to reach out to me (or anyone) this week if you have questions. ask earlier so we make best use of the time we have left | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: your punishment is reviews! :P | 21:53 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming, and thanks for working on swift | 21:53 |
| peluse | rock and rolla!!! | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 23 21:53:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-23-21.01.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-23-21.01.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-23-21.01.log.html | 21:53 |
| notmyname | it's going to be a good release, It hink :-) | 21:53 |
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| tdasilva | mattoliverau: heh | 21:54 |
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