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| zhipeng | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 13:01:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:02 |
| zhipeng | #topic Roll Call | 13:02 |
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| zhipeng | hi guys | 13:02 |
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| gampel | hi | 13:02 |
| zhipeng | joehuang won't be able to join us today | 13:02 |
| gampel | info gampel | 13:02 |
| zhipeng | #info gampel | 13:02 |
| zhipeng | #info zhipeng | 13:02 |
| gampel | #info gampel | 13:02 |
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| zhipeng | let's wait 2 more minutes for more people to join :) | 13:03 |
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| saggi | #info smizrahi | 13:03 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan here ? | 13:05 |
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| zhipeng | #info zhiyuan | 13:05 |
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| zhiyuan | hi, zhipeng | 13:05 |
| zhipeng | hey, was waiting for you :) | 13:06 |
| zhipeng | #topic local/bottom cascade service | 13:06 |
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| zhipeng | #info zhiyuan and joe had some discussion on this on the mailinglist | 13:06 |
| zhipeng | any further comments about this item ? | 13:06 |
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| gampel | I suggest we focus on the task and a separate meetings for design for each topics | 13:08 |
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| zhipeng | okey I was running through AIs in the last meeting :) | 13:08 |
| zhipeng | which tasks would you suggest to focus on? gampel | 13:09 |
| gampel | to focus on report what is teh status of each task and what are the next task so we are all in sync | 13:09 |
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| gampel | we could have design meetings in #openstack-tricircle for each topic | 13:10 |
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| zhipeng | okey | 13:11 |
| zhipeng | #topic task status sync | 13:11 |
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| gampel | saggi do you want to report the status of nova | 13:12 |
| saggi | sure | 13:12 |
| saggi | As you might remember I started working on integrating at the same place the cells API is integrated. | 13:13 |
| saggi | But this is no sustainable as the hook point is going away | 13:13 |
| saggi | in the latest summit they decided on removing the cells API and integrating it into the regular nova API. | 13:13 |
| saggi | Instead I thought of a different idea | 13:13 |
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| saggi | I implemented the scheduler API inside the cascade service | 13:14 |
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| saggi | And directly access the conductor from the cascade service to create fake compute nodes | 13:14 |
| saggi | currently they are not backed up by anythiong | 13:14 |
| saggi | but the idea is to have each fake compute node backed up by a site | 13:15 |
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| saggi | all fake compute nodes have the same address (the cascade service) but have different names. | 13:15 |
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| saggi | When nova starts a VM it will use the scheduler to decide where to schedule it | 13:15 |
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| saggi | since the cascade service is the scheduler we can select the proper compute node (site) | 13:16 |
| saggi | then it will send the build_instance() command with the proper nodename to the cascade service which will then know what site to allocate the VM | 13:16 |
| saggi | since the nodename would identify the site | 13:16 |
| saggi | that way we use only supported pluggable interfaces in the nova side. | 13:17 |
| saggi | And have 0 LOC changes in core nova | 13:17 |
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| saggi | I would like to get feedback about the idea | 13:17 |
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| gampel | saggi did you mentioned that cell hook is going away next release | 13:18 |
| zhipeng | so the scheduler API provided by the cascade service bypass the original nova schedular api | 13:18 |
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| saggi | yes, I disable n-sch and have the cascade service listen on the scheduler topic | 13:19 |
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| gampel | it is a way for be non intrusive on nova code saggi will update the design document once he get it all to work | 13:19 |
| zhipeng | it sounds a great idea to me :) | 13:20 |
| gampel | Zhiyuan is in the meeting ? | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | yes | 13:21 |
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| gampel | Your patch is approved do you want me to merge it ? | 13:21 |
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| gampel | do you wnat to report the status | 13:21 |
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| zhipeng | #info saggi suggest a way of having sch API in cascade service, and fake compute node as well so that cascade service serves as a enlarged Nova node, saggi will update the design doc once the coding functions | 13:21 |
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| zhiyuan | this week I spent most of the time on the CJK project so not much progress on the dal part | 13:23 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan do you want gample to merge the DB patch since he has +2 it? | 13:24 |
| gampel | it seem that the basics DB is ready and the context | 13:24 |
| saggi | doesn't it depend on some of my unmerged code? | 13:24 |
| saggi | gampel: ^^ | 13:24 |
| gampel | yes i want to talk about that patch, joe blocked it and he is not here | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan | yeah, we need to merge saggi's patch first. | 13:25 |
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| gampel | I think that currently we should just cast the update_network | 13:26 |
| gampel | And all the networking change are related to all the bottom open stack | 13:27 |
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| zhiyuan | when using cast, all the cascading services will receive that message. Is this a wanted behaviour? | 13:28 |
| saggi | Only at the cascade service level we can figure out what bottom services to update. So it will have to be boardcast to all of them so they can decide whether to propagate it down. | 13:28 |
| saggi | When network properties change we need to update all the bottom sites that have that network entity set up. Only the the cascad service layer knows about that | 13:29 |
| gampel | I will try to discuss this with joe but I do not understand is objection to the merge | 13:29 |
| saggi | The top thinks everything is set up everywhere. | 13:29 |
| saggi | It can't decide on which cascade service to update. | 13:29 |
| saggi | It needs to know about mapping | 13:30 |
| saggi | Only the cascade service knows about the mapping. | 13:30 |
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| zhipeng | I think Joe thinks the top should be able to know which to update | 13:30 |
| zhiyuan | one cascade service is responsible for all the bottom OpenStacks or only one OpenStack? | 13:31 |
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| gampel | one or more | 13:31 |
| saggi | The top can't know it's a layering violation. | 13:31 |
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| gampel | i agree | 13:31 |
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| gampel | and i think in this time we need to focus on having all the path ready from the top to bottom | 13:32 |
| zhiyuan | I think joe's idea is that one cascade service can handle all the bottom OpenStack, so no need to fanout the message | 13:32 |
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| saggi | If there is only one than it doesn't matter what we use :) | 13:32 |
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| gampel | you need some one to sync the request to one bottom so the request will not get out of sync time wise | 13:33 |
| gampel | i think that we should focus now on full path top to bottom comminication | 13:34 |
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| gampel | latter we can check which part is the bottle neck | 13:34 |
| gampel | one assumption we have in the design is that the workflow is an external service and that is the biggest load | 13:35 |
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| saggi | b | 13:36 |
| gampel | I will discuss this with Joe tomorrow | 13:37 |
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| gampel | If it is OK i want to discuss the next task DAL, Dependency builder | 13:38 |
| zhipeng | #action gampel further discuss with joe on saggi's patch | 13:38 |
| zhipeng | go ahead | 13:39 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:39 |
| gampel | I know that joe is working on the API do you knwo the status | 13:39 |
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| zhiyuan | On last Friday joe finished most of the work. I think he can submit the code tomorrow. | 13:40 |
| saggi | looking forward to it | 13:40 |
| gampel | very good so the next task i think we have is the DAL communication with TOP North API and the Dependency builder | 13:41 |
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| zhiyuan | dal needs to expose API to query the resources information stored in the top layer, right? | 13:43 |
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| gampel | Yes | 13:43 |
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| gampel | and provide API to get resource data nad all the mapping data to the bottom opensatcks | 13:44 |
| gampel | zhiyuan do you want to continue with the DAL | 13:46 |
| zhiyuan | yes | 13:46 |
| gampel | saggi when do you think you will be done with nova and what are your next planes | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan | so DAL collect information via REST api? | 13:47 |
| saggi | zhiyuan: yes | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:48 |
| gampel | worst case and latter we detect some data that is not available from the the REST we use the mq i hope that we will not need to do it | 13:48 |
| saggi | gampel: I'm I hope of getting the top only part set up soon. After that I'm blocked on DAL and WSGI for implementing the "Dependency Builder" | 13:48 |
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| saggi | Since I can't query dependencies without the DAL and can't set up bottom sites without the WSGI | 13:49 |
| gampel | OK i can start looking into setting up mistral and compiling the tasks | 13:49 |
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| gampel | I think we need the flowing design Bottom service ( L2GW, notification ...) | 13:50 |
| saggi | flowing design? | 13:51 |
| gampel | yes meetings can we schedule a time to discuss this in #opensatck-tricircle | 13:51 |
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| gampel | I know for most of you this time is very late at night we could do it earlier ? | 13:52 |
| zhipeng | i think we could do one hour earlier ? | 13:53 |
| gampel | when Monday ? | 13:53 |
| zhipeng | that would work for me :) | 13:54 |
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| zhipeng | let me send out an email to poll the time | 13:54 |
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| zhipeng | for our design meeting | 13:54 |
| zhiyuan | Monday is fine | 13:54 |
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| gampel | Saggi is Monday good for you ? | 13:54 |
| saggi | gampel: Yes, at least for the next few months | 13:55 |
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| zhipeng | gampel should we make this also a weekly thing or a one time thing just for next week? | 13:58 |
| saggi | zhipeng: I think it should occur as long as there is something to discuss. | 13:58 |
| gampel | I think maybe one/multiple time per topic | 13:58 |
| zhipeng | great | 13:58 |
| gampel | i agree per design topic | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | +1 per design topic | 13:59 |
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| zhipeng | #action announce design session next Monday | 13:59 |
| zhipeng | btw I see irenab got several comments on the design doc | 14:00 |
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| zhipeng | we should address it sooner rather than later | 14:00 |
| saggi | We also need to decide on what we are going to talk about before the meeting so that people have time to read up and prepare. | 14:00 |
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| gampel | Yes we will address them tomorrow | 14:00 |
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| gampel | I think lets start with the notification part | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hello all, we are about to start up the US docs team meeting momentarily | 14:01 |
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| zhipeng | sorry :) | 14:01 |
| annegentle | heh we need a door to stand at and look in :) | 14:01 |
| zhipeng | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 14:01:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-08-12-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-08-12-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | no worries heh | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-08-12-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
| annegentle | hi ShillaSaebi | 14:02 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 14:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi annegentle | 14:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 14:02:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| AJaeger | o/ | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | saggi I will provide the agenda wiki ahead of the meeting | 14:02 |
| katomo | Hi | 14:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi katomo | 14:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i can't see any action items we should be following up on on the agenda so that was easy | 14:02 |
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| robcresswell | ha | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Liberty specs in review | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Third Party driver docs - requires discussion) | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I'm merging the install guide spec | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we haven't had any action on that third party spec for a while, Lana mentioned sending some e-mails on that | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I haven't seen any but I could've easily missed them, I was on vacation last week | 14:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update) | 14:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome annegentle | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions on specs? | 14:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | alrighty | 14:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - RST migration complete, need help with updating content. | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update - WIP) | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | oops sorry wrong link | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - RST migration nearly complete, testing to begin shortly. | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. Need to audit content in devref. | 14:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - RST conversion started, sign up here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst | 14:06 |
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| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi: That'S outdated | 14:06 |
| AJaeger | Security Guide is finished! | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh great news!! | 14:07 |
| katomo | completed | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | woo hoo | 14:07 |
| annegentle | nice | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211766/ is the patch to publish it! | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | very nice | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: Want to +2A? | 14:07 |
| annegentle | what remains to be migrated on the Install Guide? | 14:07 |
| annegentle | with pleasure! | 14:07 |
| AJaeger | After that one is in, some cleanup for the Security Guide can be done (most are already proposed) | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright, i will take a look at this today | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | great! | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST migration complete, need to start work on reorganization. | 14:08 |
| annegentle | thanks AJaeger -- is there any way to collect all those so that other people can study "here's what you do when the RST conversion is done"? | 14:08 |
| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi: I would say: Nearly complete. We still have the DocBook guide and publish from there for the Cloud Admin Guide | 14:08 |
| annegentle | collect all those patches I mean. I guess you make them dependent already | 14:08 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: let me write something up | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: here | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: here'S what we did last time: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Publishing_User_Guides | 14:09 |
| AJaeger | Let me clean that up for the generic case... ShillaSaebi give me an action item, please ;) | 14:09 |
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| KLevenstein | annegentle: looks like the install guide is migrated; just needs formatting and testing work | 14:11 |
| katomo | annegentle: Install Guide migration has been completed, except for Debian, which has another blueprint. | 14:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action AJaeger to write something up for collecting patches and steps for when conversions are completed | 14:11 |
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| AJaeger | KLevenstein: We need to do the final cleanup, I'll document and send an email ^ | 14:12 |
| KLevenstein | AJaeger: thanks | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch Guide swarm coming up. #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 14:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - Spec is now merged! #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/API | 14:13 |
| annegentle | there's progress, Russell should send an email to the ML soon | 14:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:14 |
| annegentle | and I've updated the spec last week to include publishing more "narrative" info | 14:14 |
| annegentle | to developer.openstack.org | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | great ty | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | actually I will study that wiki page AJaeger and see if it's relevant to what I need to do on developer.openstack.org | 14:15 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209669/ | 14:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - New speciality team thanks to Guavain! #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on specialty teams? | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Doc tools update | 14:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info new theme ready to be released soon | 14:17 |
| AJaeger | WE relesaed openstackdocstheme 1.2.0 yesterday | 14:17 |
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| AJaeger | It includes the dynamic TOC and next/previous/report a bug links at the bottom of pages | 14:17 |
| katomo | great | 14:18 |
| annegentle | did anyone else think it looks slightly different from docs-draft? | 14:19 |
| annegentle | I haven't dug into it | 14:19 |
| annegentle | let me dig up two links for comparison | 14:19 |
| annegentle | #link http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/ | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | compared to | 14:20 |
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| annegentle | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/70/208370/7/gate/gate-openstackdocstheme-docs/3b035a1//doc/build/html/ | 14:20 |
| annegentle | are the fonts under Contents different? | 14:20 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: not on my Linux system | 14:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | they look the same to me | 14:21 |
| katomo | looks same to me in my environment. | 14:21 |
| annegentle | #link https://4c8a2d4366ae8252119f-ed3df21bb39de4e57eec9a20aa0b8711.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/Screen%20Shot%202015-08-12%20at%209.21.10%20AM.png | 14:22 |
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| annegentle | Chrome on Mac | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | Safari on Mac | 14:22 |
| phil_h | Firefox on LFedora | 14:22 |
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| phil_h | looks same to me | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok with that link it looks like one is smaller than the other | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | same font though | 14:22 |
| annegentle | ah nevermind. At one point I had 110% on docs.openstack. FFF | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | hahaha | 14:23 |
| annegentle | nothing to see here :) | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | no worries | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | good eye though | 14:23 |
| annegentle | I thought I was going crazy :) | 14:23 |
| katomo | np :) | 14:23 |
| annegentle | ok that's embarrassing :) | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | nahhhhhh | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Licencing | 14:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | last update I have is that annegentle and Lana were discussing with legal on this | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Lana and Anne are consulting with legal on this | 14:24 |
| annegentle | yeah we had a good meeting with Lisa Miller, she's a counsel for the Foundation | 14:24 |
| annegentle | I patched 2 guides that were plainly wrong by having cc-by-sa | 14:25 |
| annegentle | and here's a wiki page with the latest | 14:25 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ContentSpecs#Licenses | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | ty | 14:25 |
| annegentle | I haven't yet patched the install guides and we don't plan to patch stable branches. | 14:26 |
| annegentle | Was sort of waiting to see where the RST sits since for that output it's plainly cc-by 3.0 | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | Mostly this confusion is resolved by getting everything in the same template | 14:26 |
| annegentle | but we have a little ways to go. | 14:27 |
| annegentle | that's all I have to report, any questions? | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | nope, thanks annegentle | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic APAC Meetups | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APAC Meetups (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:27 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Reminder: APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:27 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1257018 VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257018 | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1257656 VMware: add support for VM diagnostics | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals " VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals "VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals "VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257656 | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1261969 Document nova server package | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261969 | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions? | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up? | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | early end to the meeting | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks everyone for joining and see you soon! | 14:30 |
| annegentle | I want to be sure you all are aware of Technical Committee stuff going on, like the stackforge renames going away? | 14:30 |
| annegentle | wait! | 14:30 |
| katomo | thanks | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | hah | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | still here | 14:30 |
| annegentle | :) | 14:30 |
| annegentle | We've been writing blog posts to keep everyone updated | 14:30 |
| annegentle | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/category/technical-committee-updates/ | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | great thanks annegentle | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | Ive been behind on email and playing catch up this week | 14:30 |
| annegentle | Also, it's past halfway through the liberty cycle and we're doing just fine. | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thats good | 14:31 |
| annegentle | Also, welcome to our newest core member!!! | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | I will take a look | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | welcome welcome Katomo! | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | We appreciate all the work you put in and look forward to more good doc'in | 14:32 |
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| katomo | thanks annegentle ShillaSaebi | 14:32 |
| annegentle | Super happy to have you! | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | absolutely! | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright anything else I missed or anyone wants to bring up? | 14:33 |
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| katomo | It's my pleasure | 14:33 |
| annegentle | that was it, the stackforge thing is going to cause a lot of questions. | 14:33 |
| annegentle | at least my spidey sense thinks so :) | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | hehe | 14:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I'm sure it will | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | I'll catch up hopefully this week and raise any Qs i have | 14:33 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: Documentation for the last steps of RST conversion is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Completing_conversion_to_RST | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | alrighty team looks like that's all for now | 14:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi | that was quick AJaeger | 14:34 |
| annegentle | nice work AJaeger | 14:34 |
| * AJaeger welcomes katomo! | 14:34 | |
| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi: #info it ;) | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 14:34 |
| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi, annegentle: That's the first iteration, need to double check it... | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Documentation for the last steps of RST conversion is at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Completing_conversion_to_RST | 14:35 |
| katomo | great AJaeger | 14:35 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Completing_conversion_to_RST | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alrighty anything else? | 14:35 |
| katomo | none | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool thanks everyone and see you soon! | 14:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 14:36:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-08-12-14.02.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-08-12-14.02.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-08-12-14.02.log.html | 14:36 |
| katomo | see you | 14:36 |
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| SotK | Anyone around for the StoryBoard meeting? | 15:01 |
| Zara | I am!:D | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 15:01:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
| SotK | I don't think there are any announcements, so... | 15:02 |
| SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 15:02 |
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| Zara | reviewsssssssss | 15:02 |
| SotK | indeed, reviews appear to have dried up again sadly | 15:02 |
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| Zara | I don't have the international spy network necessary to track persia down. | 15:03 |
| Zara | but he did offer | 15:03 |
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| SotK | If anyone is lurking here and fancies reviewing some stuff... | 15:04 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack-infra/storyboard+OR+project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient)+AND+status:open,n,z | 15:05 |
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| SotK | I don't think there are any other urgent items | 15:06 |
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| Zara | not that I know of :) | 15:06 |
| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:06 |
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| SotK | #info SotK is looking at worklists and boards | 15:06 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202989/ Spec | 15:07 |
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| SotK | That spec needs more reviews and/or accepting. I'll ask in #openstack-infra for that. | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #action SotK to ask for reviews/acceptance of worklists spec in -infra | 15:07 |
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| SotK | Other than that, I have the worklists API working now | 15:08 |
| Zara | :D | 15:08 |
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| SotK | That is visible on this instance of StoryBoard: http://185.98.149.23/#!/ | 15:08 |
| SotK | also visible there is the kanban mockup I mentioned a few weeks ago | 15:08 |
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| SotK | #link http://185.98.149.23/#!/ Worklists Test Instance | 15:09 |
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| Zara | I'm still looking at the subscriptions speedup. I'm making progress with it, just a bit slow since I'm not as familiar with angularjs as I'd like to be. will hoooopefully have something ready by the end of the week. | 15:09 |
| SotK | #info Zara is looking at speeding up subscriptions | 15:10 |
| SotK | \o/, I look forward to it | 15:10 |
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| SotK | I believe that is all the in-progress work at the moment | 15:11 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:11 |
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| SotK | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 15:12 |
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| Zara | This summer is too warm and it needs to stop being so warm. | 15:13 |
| Zara | nothing else. | 15:13 |
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| SotK | :) | 15:14 |
| SotK | in that case... | 15:14 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 15:14:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-08-12-15.01.html | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-08-12-15.01.txt | 15:14 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 16:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | fireball: has multiple personalities. | 16:00 |
| ericksonsantos | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
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| davechen | Hi, | 16:00 |
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| thingee | #topic how translate specific exceptions | 16:00 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:01 |
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| thingee | uhhh mriedem? | 16:01 |
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| thingee | ok move on | 16:02 |
| xyang0 | mriedem: not here? | 16:02 |
| xyang0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209150/ | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: I told mriedem the time. I will ping him. | 16:02 |
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| xyang0 | thingee: that is the patch he proposed | 16:02 |
| thingee | #topic modify volume image metadata | 16:02 |
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| hemna_ | morning | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211201/3 | 16:02 |
| davechen | Hi, | 16:02 |
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| mriedem1 | error handling in the client | 16:03 |
| thingee | So I started look at some of the work davechen is doing here and it's quite a bit of complexity for us to have role protected metadata | 16:03 |
| thingee | mriedem1: we'll circle back | 16:03 |
| mriedem1 | ok | 16:03 |
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| davechen | thingee: as far as I know, only glance has this feature. | 16:03 |
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| davechen | thingee: and we need this based on two reason. | 16:04 |
| hemna_ | I'm on a call for work, so I'll lurk here as best I can. | 16:04 |
| erlon | hi | 16:04 |
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| cpallares | o/ | 16:04 |
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| davechen | the first reason is, Glance Image Properties that are copied are a combination of mutable and immutable values, But that distinction is lost when they are copied into Cinder.  | 16:04 |
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| davechen | the second reason is, the Glance has RBAC to properties, tt could be the case that we want to update a property in Cinder that is protected in Glance. | 16:05 |
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| davechen | have a glimpse of this webpage, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/property-protections.html | 16:05 |
| davechen | there are some desc about the props pretection in glance. | 16:05 |
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| thingee | so to put in small amount of words, this is too much complexity for more than I care to add into cinder | 16:06 |
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| thingee | I don't think cinder should even care how this works | 16:07 |
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| davechen | thingee: so, this is not needed per your perspective? | 16:07 |
| thingee | based on the reasons you gave in the review, I'm trying to think of a time someone was trying to solve this problem | 16:07 |
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| thingee | license key | 16:07 |
| thingee | kernel id | 16:07 |
| thingee | ramdisk id | 16:08 |
| davechen | I think there have been some discussion about this. | 16:08 |
| thingee | where? | 16:08 |
| davechen | yeah... | 16:08 |
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| davechen | https://openstack.nimeyo.com/16488/openstack-cinder-glance-update-volume-image-metadata-proposal | 16:08 |
| davechen | mailing list, but i think it's a long discussion. | 16:08 |
| thingee | I open this to meeting because I want to know from folks what they think too | 16:08 |
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| thingee | And really I think this is overthought for just modifying metadata. | 16:08 |
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| davechen | and I think Duncan is in the glance's meeting to talk with glance team about this. | 16:09 |
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| davechen | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-06-26-20.03.log.html | 16:10 |
| davechen | so, anyone has a interesting could read the that. | 16:10 |
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| deepakcs | o/ | 16:11 |
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| davechen | thingee: I am okay with it, if this is too heavy, we can just drop it. | 16:11 |
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| davechen | but not sure what other's thoughts? | 16:11 |
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| davechen | winston-d^^ | 16:11 |
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| davechen | DuncanT ^^ | 16:12 |
| winston-d | davechen: sorry, i was joining late, dropping what? | 16:12 |
| davechen | winston-d: props pretection. | 16:12 |
| winston-d | role/policy base metadata update? | 16:12 |
| davechen | yup, this maybe too complexity per Mike's perspetive. | 16:12 |
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| guitarzan | davechen: this is as opposed to always requiring admin to update image meta? | 16:13 |
| davechen | there once a disccusion around this, and thought this was needed to pretect some props as what glance did. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | Personally I think we might need to do some metadata cleanup/fixing before we tackle this.. but perhaps in M | 16:13 |
| davechen | guitarzan: no, it's based on user's role. | 16:13 |
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| guitarzan | davechen: so a normal user can update some image meta in glance? | 16:14 |
| davechen | guitarzan: not always just admin can do this stuff. | 16:14 |
| winston-d | DuncanT wanted this feature | 16:14 |
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| davechen | sure, if the props is not the confidential props, why we cannot read/update it. | 16:14 |
| guitarzan | davechen: are kernel and ramdisk the only editable ones? | 16:14 |
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| winston-d | guitarzan: i guess so, if it's a instance snapshot or private image | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | FWIW if the numbers in this analysis are accurate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1483165 I'm a bit concerned | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1483165 in Cinder "The performance of volume index is low" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to wangxiyuan (wangxiyuan) | 16:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1483165 in cinder "The performance of volume index is low" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1483165 | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1483165 in cinder "The performance of volume index is low" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | New bot? | 16:15 |
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| davechen | winston-d: not just DuncanT but glance's team as well. | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: it's like a begin/end code statement :) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:16 |
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| davechen | thingee: what do you think? Mike | 16:16 |
| davechen | thingee: drop that patch? | 16:17 |
| thingee | I'm not seeing a huge reason to bring it in honestly. I think it's crazy all these different things in openstack doing role based policies though. | 16:17 |
| thingee | I can't even keep track | 16:17 |
| thingee | I'd hate to be a deployer. | 16:17 |
| davechen | thingee: :) | 16:17 |
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| davechen | thingee: okay, if we need this, we can do it. | 16:18 |
| davechen | thingee: If these stuff is not such important, we can just let it be. | 16:19 |
| winston-d | should 'admin_or_owner" coever 99% use cases? | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:19 |
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| thingee | winston-d: that's where I'm getting it at. | 16:19 |
| thingee | what's wrong with what we have now | 16:19 |
| guitarzan | winston-d: I doubt it, because most of them the owner can't update | 16:19 |
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| davechen | winston-d: this policy is too simply I think. | 16:20 |
| winston-d | guitarzan: then change policy i guess? | 16:20 |
| davechen | winston-d: If admin_or_owner cover 99%, there is no need to be oslo policy to be existing. | 16:20 |
| guitarzan | winston-d: I'm not sure what to do about the 4 keys that they can change | 16:21 |
| guitarzan | or whatever that number is | 16:21 |
| winston-d | davechen: we are talking about cinder context | 16:21 |
| winston-d | davechen: not overall openstack use cases | 16:21 |
| davechen | winston-d: okay. | 16:21 |
| * thingee is confused | 16:21 | |
| winston-d | is this a blocking issue for certain use cases? | 16:22 |
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| thingee | no | 16:22 |
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| thingee | alright lets move on | 16:23 |
| davechen | okay, thanks. | 16:23 |
| thingee | #topic how to translate specific exceptions | 16:23 |
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| thingee | mriedem1: hi | 16:23 |
| mriedem1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209150/ | 16:24 |
| mriedem1 | ust wondering what to do there | 16:24 |
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| guitarzan | mriedem1: this might be a silly question, but why do we fail a detach when unattached anyway? | 16:26 |
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| mriedem1 | guitarzan: because the attach failed on boot | 16:27 |
| * jungleboyj can hear everyone's brains processing. | 16:27 | |
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| guitarzan | mriedem1: I'm not sure that answers my question | 16:28 |
| guitarzan | but I might just not understand | 16:28 |
| guitarzan | detaching after an attach failed is a cleanup operation, no? | 16:28 |
| winston-d | mriedem1: and nova doesn't know about the attaching failure so it thought novulme is attached? | 16:28 |
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| guitarzan | how does nova not know about an attach failure? | 16:28 |
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| guitarzan | I don't want to get off track, but I don't understand why we couldn't just say "ok, you detached" | 16:30 |
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| guitarzan | anyway, just my 2 cents if we want to continue on the conversation | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | guitarzan: That makes sense to me. | 16:31 |
| mriedem1 | sorry, multitasking, | 16:31 |
| mriedem1 | so there is the bug report | 16:31 |
| mriedem1 | i'd suggest looking at that for the root issue | 16:31 |
| mriedem1 | my question is how we should handle translating errors from cinder-api to specific exceptions i nthe client so nova can key off those | 16:31 |
| mriedem1 | rather than nova having to parse the error message from cinder, which could change | 16:31 |
| guitarzan | sure, I'm just saying that cinder could just not fail the detach... | 16:32 |
| mriedem1 | we have a similar model with neutronclient | 16:32 |
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| guitarzan | and nova would continue happily on with its cleanup | 16:32 |
| mriedem1 | guitarzan: cinder fails the detach b/c the attach didn't happen | 16:32 |
| scottda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1476806 | 16:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476806 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Unable to delete instance with attached volumes which failed to boot" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Maxim Nestratov (mnestratov) | 16:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1476806 in nova "Unable to delete instance with attached volumes which failed to boot" [High,In progress] | 16:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1476806 in nova "Unable to delete instance with attached volumes which failed to boot" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476806 | 16:32 |
| mriedem1 | there are no attachments so the detach returns a 400 | 16:32 |
| mriedem1 | nova wants to handle that and ignore | 16:32 |
| guitarzan | mriedem1: that's what I'm saying we could fix | 16:32 |
| guitarzan | *we* could ignore it | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Sub-codes again? | 16:32 |
| mriedem1 | there is an API working group patch up about specific codes for error responses | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | We talked about this at the kilo midcycle. | 16:33 |
| mriedem1 | i assume that's a ways out from landing | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem1: if it gets a detach and the volume is not attached it should just say "ok" | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | mriedem1: it shouldn't be a failure to begin with in that case | 16:33 |
| mriedem1 | yeah, idk, i heard things about races yesterday where the db and actual block storage backend aren't in synhc | 16:34 |
| mriedem1 | *sync | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | mriedem1: but FWIW I do like the idea of some standardized responses to nova so it's not mess parsing | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | mriedem1: meh... I don't know how real that is, but regardless | 16:34 |
| mriedem1 | sure | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem1: So, this is moving the message parsing into cinderclient instead. | 16:34 |
| guitarzan | mriedem1: well, bdms being out of sync does happen, but this just doesn't seem like a failure case | 16:34 |
| mriedem1 | yes | 16:34 |
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| mriedem1 | jungleboyj: yes | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | mriedem1: there's lots of fud around here about races and consistency that isn't as prevalent as one might think | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem1: What improvement are we going to get from that? | 16:35 |
| mriedem1 | jungleboyj: that it lives closer to cinder | 16:35 |
| xyang0 | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L865 | 16:35 |
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| xyang0 | we threw exception here in the manager | 16:35 |
| guitarzan | xyang0: that should just return instead of raise :) | 16:35 |
| mriedem1 | jungleboyj: and it's the same model we (nova) has with neutronclient errors that are translated from neutron api in the client | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem1: ++ I thought that was the answer but wanted to make sure. | 16:35 |
| mriedem1 | that nova handles | 16:35 |
| guitarzan | xyang0: and it should just be a warn | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's way better than trying to guess/parse strings in exception messages | 16:35 |
| mriedem1 | granted, this is a thing nova will want to backport to kilo, | 16:36 |
| mriedem1 | because with this bug you can't delete an instance w/o removing the bdms in the db | 16:36 |
| mriedem1 | which blows | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ Agreed. | 16:36 |
| mriedem1 | i don't know how keen cinder people would be on backporting that change from 400 to 200 | 16:36 |
| winston-d | mriedem1: yeah, hated it | 16:36 |
| winston-d | mriedem1: i mean have to manually clean up bdm | 16:37 |
| hemna_ | ok back | 16:37 |
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| mriedem1 | winston-d: yeah, any surgery directly in the nova db isn't fun | 16:37 |
| hemna_ | so I agree with jgriffith if a detach call comes in and the volume is already detached, just say ok. | 16:37 |
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| xyang0 | can anyone look at this: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L865 | 16:38 |
| xyang0 | okay if we just return success? | 16:38 |
| mriedem1 | xyang0: this is actually what nova is hitting in that bug https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L885 | 16:38 |
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| xyang0 | mriedem1: right. so we can fix it in cinder | 16:38 |
| hemna_ | xyang0, yah | 16:39 |
| xyang0 | mriedem1: return success instead of raise | 16:39 |
| hemna_ | xyang0, want me to put up a patch to change that? | 16:39 |
| mriedem1 | this is an API change, but from error to success which might be ok | 16:39 |
| scottda | +1 to fix in the manager | 16:39 |
| xyang0 | hemna_: sure | 16:39 |
| hemna_ | xyang0, ok I'll do it. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:39 |
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| geguileo | I don't like changing it to success | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, we shouldn't raise. There was nothing to detach. | 16:40 |
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| geguileo | There was nothing and you asked me to detach, so error | 16:40 |
| winston-d | geguileo: 400 to 200, badrequest to accepted | 16:40 |
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| xyang0 | geguileo: we also do that in drivers. if you try to detach a volume that is already detached, log a msg and move on | 16:40 |
| geguileo | It's like trying to delete a file in your filesystem that doesn't exist | 16:40 |
| geguileo | Don't you get an error? | 16:40 |
| winston-d | not necessarily sucess | 16:40 |
| hemna_ | it's not much different from what we do with delete volume that doesn't exist. | 16:40 |
| hemna_ | drivers just say...ok | 16:40 |
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| xyang0 | hemna_: +1 | 16:40 |
| thingee | geguileo: this is no different from other cinder things "I was not able to delete this volume because it didn't exist, so success" | 16:40 |
| thingee | I'm fine with this approach | 16:41 |
| scottda | Truth is, this is an API change and so it might break people's scripts | 16:41 |
| geguileo | thingee: I understand it | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | hemna_: That makes sense. | 16:41 |
| geguileo | thingee: But I still believe we should report an error | 16:41 |
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| xyang0 | you can log a warning | 16:41 |
| geguileo | thingee: And Nova should look at the type of error | 16:41 |
| thingee | #topic update on volume migration | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ But not raise the exception. | 16:41 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: ^ | 16:41 |
| thingee | vincent isn't around | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Argh! | 16:41 |
| thingee | do you have an update? | 16:42 |
| thingee | for vincent or should I move on? | 16:42 |
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| winston-d | jungleboyj: I have one comment about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186312/ | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: I don't have anything specific. Sorry, missed that he had put that out there. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | If we can get eyes on the patches and work on getting things merged so we get more run time that would be great. | 16:43 |
| * jungleboyj needs to go review the patches as well. | 16:43 | |
| deepakcs | geguileo: ++ | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: why should we put the volume in error state in this case? | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | geguileo: it doesn't work that way... "nova look at the type of error" | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: Did you put it in the review? | 16:43 |
| winston-d | which is within this change, attach/detach or whatever actions that are not allowed when volume is marked as 'maintaince', | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: the volume gets put in error-detaching and your'e "stuck" | 16:43 |
| thingee | #topic call for reviews on object patches | 16:43 |
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| dulek | hi! | 16:44 |
| winston-d | this change should stop these operations. | 16:44 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: But we can return an error and not set it to error detaching | 16:44 |
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| thingee | dulek: thangp hi | 16:44 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: I mentioned this a few times in previous reviews. | 16:44 |
| thangp | hi! | 16:44 |
| dulek | We just want to report that work on RPC compatibility is blocked by object patches. | 16:44 |
| winston-d | but it seems vincent hasn't addressed it. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: Ok, I will look through that and highlight it to Vincent. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: Thanks. | 16:44 |
| dulek | We recently merged ConsistencyGroup object. | 16:44 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: thx | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: I suppose I don't care... just don't see any real value in it, because what's Nova going to do? What are your expectations here? | 16:44 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177054/ | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | It's a warning IMHO | 16:45 |
| dulek | There are only 3 to go: Volume, Service and CGSnapshot | 16:45 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201404/ | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:45 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160417/ | 16:45 |
| guitarzan | geguileo: it would just add more code to nova to do the same thing it's already going to do | 16:45 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:45 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: My expectations are giving the right response | 16:45 |
| dulek | So we want to call for reviews of them. | 16:45 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195027/ | 16:45 |
| dulek | Without them thangp's work on making rolling upgrades *actually* work is blocked. | 16:45 |
| thingee | geguileo: I'm with jgriffith here, it's a warning. | 16:45 |
| geguileo | guitarzan: Sure, but it would be the right response | 16:45 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205622/ | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: LOL.. and I'm saying if you asked to detach a volume and it's detached that is the correct resposne :) | 16:46 |
| guitarzan | geguileo: nah, the right thing to do is just smile and nod when nova tries to detach something already detached | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | but anyway | 16:46 |
| geguileo | You guys agree, so I'm cool with it :-) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | moving on | 16:46 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209701/ | 16:46 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: we already moved on :) | 16:46 |
| dulek | (thingee's posting links to reviews) | 16:46 |
| dulek | (and my messages are sinking in the background noise I think) | 16:46 |
| vilobhmm | thingee, jgriffith : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205369/ - nested quota driver needs review | 16:46 |
| geguileo | dulek: Yep, sorry for making that much noise | 16:46 |
| xyang0 | dulek: we need updated versionedobjects for cgsnapshot object to work. that is not release yet, right? | 16:47 |
| vilobhmm | its all +1 since a week or so …if someone from core team can have a look it would be helpful | 16:47 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee , jgrifith : ^^ | 16:47 |
| thingee | #info people should review finishing the object patches and rpc versioning patches | 16:47 |
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| dulek | xyang0: Correct, but we can still work on other patches. | 16:47 |
| winston-d | dulek: no, they are still on the screen | 16:47 |
| thangp | xyang0: yes, but we could put a workaround in place until then? | 16:47 |
| dulek | So again - work on upgrades is going forward, but patches are very big and hard to review. | 16:47 |
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| xyang0 | thangp: that will break all the drivers if that is not merged. when do you expect versionedobjects will be updated? | 16:48 |
| dulek | We need them objects merged to progress. | 16:48 |
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| winston-d | dulek: can't be broken down to smaller ones? | 16:48 |
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| thangp | xyang0: not sure | 16:48 |
| thangp | xyang0: i can ask doug | 16:48 |
| xyang0 | thangp: what is the workaround? install versionedobjects manually from git? | 16:48 |
| xyang0 | thangp: ok | 16:48 |
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| dulek | winston-d: It's quite hard to use objects in one place and not in the others. | 16:49 |
| thingee | thanks dulek and thangp | 16:49 |
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| thangp | xyang0: no, just unset the consistencygroup | 16:49 |
| thangp | so cgsnapshot.consistencygroup is not populated | 16:49 |
| thangp | so it could be sent over rpc | 16:49 |
| xyang0 | thangp: can you add the workaround in the review? I couldn't run that patch with this problem | 16:49 |
| thangp | xyang0: sure | 16:49 |
| dulek | xyang0: I'll make sure this is done in CGSnapshot patch. | 16:49 |
| xyang0 | dulek: ok, thanks | 16:50 |
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| winston-d | dulek: that i agree | 16:50 |
| dulek | That's all from our side I think | 16:50 |
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| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:50 |
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| ericksonsantos | it would be nice if we have reviews in nested quota patches as well | 16:51 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : looks like the ping got lost in the objects discussion before but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205369/Â - nested quota driver needs review | 16:51 |
| ericksonsantos | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206171 | 16:51 |
| ericksonsantos | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205369/ | 16:51 |
| vilobhmm | thingee, jgriffith : ^^ | 16:51 |
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| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 16:52:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-08-12-16.00.html | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-08-12-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:54 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 12 20:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcal | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcal (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| skraynev_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | hi all | 20:00 |
| jdandrea | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jasond | o/ | 20:00 |
| prazumovsky | o/ | 20:00 |
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| tspatzier | hi all | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | #topic adding items to the agenda | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-08-12_2000_UTC.29 | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | its a short one currently | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | ok, it might be a short meeting :) | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | I think all the convergence and ASG/RG peeps are asleep | 20:03 |
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| prazumovsky | I think, deprecation can be erased from list of reviews, it's merged | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | I would really appreciate reviews on this to fix the deployment race bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206256/ Use atomic_key for deployment metadata updates | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | prazumovsky: just update etherpad then | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | please :) | 20:05 |
| prazumovsky | skraynev_: done | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | ooo, has refactor-asg been merged!? | 20:06 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, not completely yet AFAIK | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | ah, the link is wrong | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: just a first patch | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | I wanted to start land this code... | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | as for heatclient, polling might be ready to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188889/ and the first osc command could really use some reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195867/ | 20:09 |
| skraynev_ | but was confused by separate support of ASG and RG.. so hold it | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | ok, lets move on | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | #topic Using trusts for re-authentication during one long request (skraynev) | 20:11 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Using trusts for re-authentication during one long request (skraynev) (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:11 | |
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| skraynev_ | unfortunately shardy is on vacation, so I wanted to ask it on meeting :) | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | looks like we have issue with re-authentication during one long time request | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | e.g. when token lifetime is 30 min and create takes more then 40 minutes - you will get error | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: we're still recommending the workaround of setting the token timeout to the maximum length of the operation :/ | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yes. pas-ha remaindered me about it | 20:13 |
| therve | skraynev, I think it's doable, nobody took the time to actually tackle the issue | 20:13 |
| therve | I'm sure we've talked about it in the past | 20:13 |
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| stevebaker | but yeah, likely shardy is the one to ask about what needs to happen to use trusts for this. I think previously there were keystone blockers preventing it | 20:14 |
| therve | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1306294 | 20:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1306294 in tripleo "Heat fails to re-authenticate when faced with authentication failure during stack operations" [High,In progress] | 20:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306294 in tripleo "Heat fails to re-authenticate when faced with authentication failure during stack operations" [High,In progress] | 20:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306294 in tripleo "Heat fails to re-authenticate when faced with authentication failure during stack operations" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306294 | 20:14 |
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| jdandrea | So nice the bots posted it thrice. | 20:14 |
| shprotby | Bot attack! | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | therve : yes. I meant this one (did not check bugs :) ) | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: do you know how much is left on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1393268 ? | 20:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1393268 in heat "cleanup scheduler tasks in resources" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavlo Shchelokovskyy (pshchelo) | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393268 in heat "cleanup scheduler tasks in resources" [High,In progress] | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393268 in heat "cleanup scheduler tasks in resources" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1393268 | 20:15 |
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| pas-ha | server updates (last of servers) are on review | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: then that is it? | 20:16 |
| therve | \o/ | 20:16 |
| pas-ha | some more icky places in rackspace resources, might ping randall and jason for them | 20:16 |
| pas-ha | and then the very (for me) strange places in stackresource and its children | 20:17 |
| pas-ha | not even sure if they have to be fixed in the first place though... | 20:17 |
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| skraynev_ | therve: will read. thx. it's more useful, than I expected :) need to read pedantically | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | we should raise a lower-priority bug for the rackspace ones | 20:18 |
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| pas-ha | ok, will do, and take a closer look into the stackresource | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | possibly we should raise a bug per remaining resource so they can be tracked | 20:18 |
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| skraynev_ | therve, stevebaker: do you know when shardy be here? on the next week ? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: any chance you could raise a bug per resource? and we can close that one when the current server changes land | 20:19 |
| pas-ha | I could, no problem | 20:19 |
| therve | skraynev, No idea no | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: he is actually in Dublin for work, as is zaneb. So you can always email him | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: cool. thank you | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | in the end I kind of liked what I've ended doing in serverupdateprogress task object, might unite all? most? other progress tasks into it.. | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: do you mean this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204248/ | 20:21 |
| pas-ha | yes | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | I'll check it out | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | its been added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews too | 20:23 |
| pas-ha | although a kind of "big" change is that now some parts of "compute" client plugin API is required | 20:23 |
| pas-ha | thanks | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:24 | |
| therve | Maybe we should talk about the outage of the day | 20:24 |
| therve | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1484086 | 20:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1484086 in Keystone "ec2tokens authentication is failing during Heat tests" [Undecided,New] | 20:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1484086 in keystone "ec2tokens authentication is failing during Heat tests" [Undecided,New] | 20:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1484086 in keystone "ec2tokens authentication is failing during Heat tests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484086 | 20:24 |
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| therve | ec2 auth is not working anymore on keystone v2 for stack users | 20:25 |
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| therve | Not sure if they consider it a regression | 20:25 |
| therve | But we may want to push moving to v3 | 20:25 |
| therve | Ie add https://review.openstack.org/202824 and https://review.openstack.org/206640 to the priority list? | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | hmm, can we do something like unset the domain on the credentials we use? | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | I had a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212062/ : may we enable skipped tests? | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | to make sure, that it works for v3 ? | 20:26 |
| therve | skraynev, They are enabled, it's still failing for other reasons | 20:26 |
| therve | But I think I know which ones :) | 20:27 |
| therve | Still, it's not really the correct solution | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | therve: I thought, that it skips them https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211983/ ? | 20:27 |
| therve | skraynev, Yeah but my patch is based on a previous commit | 20:28 |
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| skraynev_ | therve: oh. got it. | 20:28 |
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| skraynev_ | no more questions :) | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | therve: if existing stacks are going to break on kilo->liberty upgrade then I would insist that it is a regression | 20:28 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Possibly not if you change the heat configuration during the upgrade | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | therve: so the issue is that we are creating stack users in the heat domain, then signing ec2 urls with those credentials, which fails ec2token auth because domains are enforced in v2 now? | 20:30 |
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| therve | stevebaker, You can't use a domain other than default in v2, yeah | 20:30 |
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| therve | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208069/ | 20:31 |
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| pas-ha | I've asked them to wait with backporting it to kilo for now | 20:31 |
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| therve | pas-ha, Thanks, good idea | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | ok, sounds like we should move to v3 asap | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | is there a git commit comment flag for adding to release notes? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | DocImpact might have to do | 20:33 |
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| therve | Yeah | 20:34 |
| pas-ha | UpgradeImpact too | 20:34 |
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| skraynev_ | The UpgradeImpact line contains the string UpgradeImpact and a comment about why the change impacts upgrades. It is used to indicate that a change has upgrade implications for those doing continuous deployment or N to N+1 upgrades. Also consider updating the 'Upgrade Notes' section in the release notes for the affected project. | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | therve: do you know is this the only configuration change required? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202824 | 20:34 |
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| therve | stevebaker, I believe so | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | whoever approves https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202824 can edit the commit message first | 20:34 |
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| therve | The other change uses the same config value | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | I need to do the school run, shall we finish up or should I transfer the chair to .... pas-ha | 20:35 |
| pas-ha | chair taken ^) | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | #chair pas-ha | 20:36 |
| openstack | Current chairs: pas-ha stevebaker | 20:36 |
| * stevebaker throws the chair and walks out | 20:36 | |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: good luck :) | 20:36 |
| therve | That's all I had personally | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | anything else ? :) | 20:37 |
| * pas-ha cites Gogol | 20:37 | |
| skraynev_ | that's all from me too... | 20:37 |
| pas-ha | since we are in open discussion - anything else to discuss? | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | throw the chair and let's finish :) | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | ok, three.. | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | two.. | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | one.. | 20:38 |
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| skraynev_ | last chance | 20:38 |
| shprotby | Good bye | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | thanks everybody :) | 20:38 |
| pas-ha | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:38 | |
| skraynev_ | bye | 20:38 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 12 20:38:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-08-12-20.00.html | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-08-12-20.00.txt | 20:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-08-12-20.00.log.html | 20:38 |
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