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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 08:04:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:04 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:04 |
| lennyb | anteaya: hi | 08:04 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb | 08:04 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:04 |
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| lennyb | thanks, how are you nowdays? | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | good thank you | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | how is your patch coming along? | 08:05 |
| lennyb | who can give us +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206513/ | 08:06 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206513/ | 08:07 |
| anteaya | nicely done | 08:07 |
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| anteaya | it will get reviewed in time | 08:07 |
| anteaya | good work getting agreement on the patch | 08:08 |
| lennyb | thanks | 08:08 |
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| anteaya | what else shall we discuss? | 08:08 |
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| lennyb | I have nothing to discuss today | 08:09 |
| anteaya | ah okay | 08:09 |
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| anteaya | you wrote a nice email to the list when asking to comment on tempest patches | 08:11 |
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| lennyb | well... it broke our CI and we posted few Nova CI job as failed due to this issue. | 08:12 |
| anteaya | you presented your case well | 08:12 |
| anteaya | do you use disk image builder? | 08:12 |
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| anteaya | if you do there is a patch you might want to review | 08:13 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211124 | 08:13 |
| lennyb | no, we dont have disc builder | 08:14 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:14 |
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| anteaya | I'll hang around for a bit more in case anyone else shows up with a question | 08:15 |
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| anteaya | thanks for being here | 08:15 |
| anteaya | I don't want to keep you if you have other things to do | 08:15 |
| lennyb | ok | 08:15 |
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| anteaya | thanks lennyb | 08:15 |
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| lennyb | have a good day | 08:24 |
| anteaya | thanks you too | 08:25 |
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| anteaya | well I'll close up for today | 08:40 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:40 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 08:40:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-11-08.04.html | 08:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-11-08.04.txt | 08:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-11-08.04.log.html | 08:40 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 12:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | anyone at here today? | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | as we have new meeting time for this meeting | 12:00 |
| claudiub | o/ | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | claudiub: hi | 12:00 |
| claudiub | hellou :) | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | waiting one more minutes to see if more people join | 12:01 |
| claudiub | ofc | 12:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello | 12:01 |
| sdague | hey all | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | hello! | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | #topic Actions from last meeting | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:02 | |
| alex_xu | one for johnthetubaguy, about catch with me about api work status, I think its done | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | roughly done, yes | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | another for sdague, we have new agenda! | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI | 12:03 |
| sdague | yep, done - woot | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks for the new agenda! | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | let's moving on | 12:04 |
| sdague | so I feel like that's roughly the right standing agenda, but if people think other major sections should be there just speak up | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | #topic API infrastructure | 12:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API infrastructure (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:04 | |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea, that help to track our work also | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | first one, 'v2.0 on v2.1' | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | any command for sub topic? | 12:05 |
| sdague | alex_xu: not really | 12:05 |
| sdague | you can change #topic | 12:05 |
| sdague | or not, depending on how you feel | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | #topic v2.0 on v2.1 | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "v2.0 on v2.1 (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:05 | |
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| alex_xu | for relax api validation, there only left one patch | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-relax-validation,n,z | 12:06 |
| sdague | #info 3 of 4 patches merged for API validation relaxation needed for v2.0 on v2.1 | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 12:06 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: ok, great, anything else needed, or do we think that with that final patch we're good? | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the next step is reaching out for folks to test it out | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | sdague: no more, from my view, the final patch is good | 12:07 |
| sdague | do we have a tempest job set up for this configuration? | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think mikal had offered to help with that | 12:07 |
| sdague | even in experimental | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: good point, that too | 12:07 |
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| alex_xu | so we create new job for this? | 12:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | to test it out, I think we should | 12:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | once thats green we could look at moving the existing jobs over | 12:09 |
| sdague | ok, I can take that one for next week | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe neutron jobs all run v2.1 for v2, non-network stay on the old? | 12:09 |
| sdague | #action sdague to build experimental devstack/tempest job to test v2.0 on v2.1 | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: would that work? | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/non-network/nova-network/ | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 12:09 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: so, let's prove it works. We probably need to rethink the overall test plan for Nova about what's important and trim our jobs accordingly | 12:10 |
| sdague | but that's a different conversation | 12:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 to all that | 12:10 |
| sdague | ok, I think we can move on from this one. I'll review the patch once the meeting is over | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am getting ahed of my self | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 12:11 |
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| alex_xu | cool | 12:11 |
| alex_xu | sdague: after the test job, then we can change the endpoint? | 12:11 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, I think so, we just have to have a story on what existing installs will do | 12:12 |
| sdague | let me poke at it a bit and I'll let you know | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, thanks | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | #topic policy.json updates to remove admin hard code at the db level | 12:12 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-api-policy-final-part,n,z | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | just left three patches | 12:13 |
| sdague | are we done done after those 3 patches? | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes, we are done | 12:13 |
| sdague | because I feel like new patches always appear on this stop | 12:13 |
| sdague | topic | 12:13 |
| sdague | ok, awesome. | 12:13 |
| sdague | #info 3 patches left to merge before policy.json updates to remove admin hard code at the db level is done | 12:14 |
| sdague | that's a really nice place to be in | 12:14 |
| * sdague open another browser tab for reviewing code | 12:14 | |
| alex_xu | there are a lot of elvated context in the code, but we can cleanup them in the future | 12:14 |
| * johnthetubaguy also opens those patches for review | 12:15 | |
| alex_xu | heh...cool | 12:15 |
| alex_xu | #topic Test collapse of v2.0 and v2.1 | 12:15 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: ok, cool. Do you think those will be done this cycle or in Mitaka? | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: do we have a plan of when to do that,? | 12:15 |
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| alex_xu | in the M I think, we can create a bug for low hanging fruits | 12:16 |
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| alex_xu | good for new contributor in nova | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess there is no reason to wait, maybe add it to the list next to log cleanups | 12:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-low-hanging-fruit | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | its listed in here: | 12:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring | 12:17 |
| sdague | yeh, but it would be good to track as API infrastructure cleanup in Mitaka cycle | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 for tracking it, we can create a blueprint like we have for objects | 12:17 |
| sdague | #info elevated_context cleanup will happen in Mitaka cycle | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets keep moving | 12:17 |
| sdague | yeh, even with low hanging fruit we should set a timeline | 12:17 |
| sdague | otherwise we get stuff like mox living forever | 12:18 |
| sdague | agreed, back on topic :) | 12:18 |
| sdague | ok, test collapse of v2.0 and v2.1 | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | #action /me create bp for elevated context cleanup and update low-hanging fruit etherpad | 12:19 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:merge_sample_tests,n,z | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | is that list complete as well? or are there more patches to come? | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | looks like more pach come up | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am tempted to pause this, after these patches | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | I'm not sure, we should check with gmann | 12:20 |
| sdague | it would be good to get some idea about how far along we are | 12:20 |
| sdague | even if just roughly | 12:20 |
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| sdague | like are we 50% done now? | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, very true | 12:20 |
| sdague | 80% done | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | and I think remove v3 depend on this | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | when we move api sample tests | 12:20 |
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| sdague | well, we'll just move different files if this is done or not | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: it shouldn't have to, well I think remove v3 is way more important | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 12:20 |
| sdague | and I agree, removing v3 in the tree is way more important | 12:21 |
| sdague | it will definitely merge conflict with that | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would make it clearer if we have old_stuff and merged stuff in separate directories | 12:21 |
| alex_xu | ok, there should be a way skip that | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am thinking we stop the merge to make sure the rename can happen | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, lets get info on how close that is | 12:21 |
| sdague | #info put merge of v2.0 / v2.1 tests on hold until v3 removal is complete | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am more worried about moving the API code rather than the tests, as silly as that sounds | 12:22 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, I think that's fair | 12:22 |
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| sdague | and I think it's fair to put this on hold a bit, and focus on the v3 removal. We can merge test fixes / collapse after freeze as well, right? | 12:22 |
| sdague | I thought tests and docs were typically fair game during the rc period | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats true | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I would rather be merging bug fixes | 12:23 |
| sdague | sure | 12:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | docs totally, not sure about the test clean ups | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | they sound like a distraction | 12:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | although back port problems are good to avoid | 12:23 |
| sdague | maybe, I feel like they are typically not very hard to review, and make things easier later | 12:24 |
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| sdague | anyway, we're agreed to pause on the test collapse for now? | 12:24 |
| sdague | if so, I think we can move on | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | sdague: or check with gmann first? | 12:25 |
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| sdague | oh, I guess there is an action for gmann to get a status on how complete the whole effort is | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we delay for now, and check with gmann | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets report back here next week | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | ok | 12:25 |
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| sdague | #action get status from gmann on overall completeness of the v2.0 / v2.1 test collapse | 12:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its a soft freeze, I don't want to -2 them all, thats a waste of time, if they merge, they merge | 12:26 |
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| sdague | yeh | 12:26 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's move on | 12:26 |
| sdague | though, honestly, kenichi and I are typically the only ones reviewing them, so I doubt they will merge without us actively pushing it | 12:26 |
| sdague | alex_xu: +1 | 12:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: exactly my thinking | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea, I help few review before and will continue | 12:27 |
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| alex_xu | #topic Removal of v3 naming from source tree | 12:27 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: right, sorry, I meant from a +2 perspective | 12:27 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yea | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | there are two patches for moving legacy v2 code is ready I think | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1462901,n,z | 12:28 |
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| sdague | ok, great. I'll look hard at these right after the meeting | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 12:28 |
| edleafe | morning, alex_xu | 12:28 |
| edleafe | saw your commits | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: morning :) | 12:28 |
| sdague | edleafe: it was a little adhoc, alex_xu asked, and I wasn't going to be here on friday, so said go for it :) | 12:28 |
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| edleafe | have you started on step 3 yet? | 12:29 |
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| alex_xu | not yet | 12:29 |
| edleafe | sdague: cool. I'll adjust my calendar | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | step 3 will be moving v2.1 code to toplelve | 12:29 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: I can do that, since your day is winding down now | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks | 12:29 |
| sdague | alex_xu: so we should start with - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211356/ right? | 12:29 |
| sdague | there are 2 patch series listed under that bug | 12:30 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yes | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: can you abandoned this one https://review.openstack.org/193725 | 12:30 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: yeah, I was planning on it | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: and I think we can move json-schema separately | 12:30 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: sounds reasonable. So I think that for these patches if we agree that changes are required, we should just respin among the team. I'd hate to delay these because folks are asleep. | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: for moving v3, should we create resource directory in one step. | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think this small steps approach is proving way easier to review, lets keep it going | 12:32 |
| sdague | lets kind of keep an active conversation going in #openstack-nova during the day until we get them merged | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we are worry about partial merges of the chain, I think we can sort that out later | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | ++ | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I wonder if we want to block the first one till we have a good few lined up? | 12:33 |
| edleafe | sdague: should we -W them until they are all ready? Then release them all at once to avoid multiple rebase hell? | 12:33 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: honestly, as long as we are committed to getting this in regardless, let's just grind on them | 12:33 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: jinx (sort of) | 12:33 |
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| sdague | because procedural stuff just triggers various additional delays, we end up in a situation where something is wip, the author is asleep, and then we need to get 3 hrs of testing rerun to merge | 12:34 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: not sure what you mean | 12:34 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: about the resource directory | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | the v2 moving can waiting for v2.1 moving, I guess there isn't too much conflict for v2 moving | 12:34 |
| sdague | alex_xu: can we get an etherpad with what you think the various additional patches would be? | 12:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: OK, that makes sense | 12:35 |
| sdague | then we can get details there as well about next steps | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: ok, will create one after the meeting | 12:35 |
| sdague | alex_xu: thank you | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: let's talk about v3 step off the meeting | 12:35 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: sure | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | let's move on | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Documentation Improvement | 12:36 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: ^ any idea? | 12:36 |
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| sdague | a couple of things | 12:36 |
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| sdague | I spoke with annegentle last week about how to get a new concept guide published to the API site. She's going to help with that infrastructure. | 12:37 |
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| sdague | We need to write that concept guide. Honestly, I expect that will wait until we get these release critical patches merged. | 12:37 |
| sdague | once we do, I'll write up a documentation plan and start in on some of that content | 12:38 |
| sdague | and hopefully get others to participate | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool | 12:38 |
| sdague | that's it on that topic so far, I hope we'll get more focus on it in Mitaka | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | sdague: release critical patches means ? | 12:38 |
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| sdague | the v3 remove | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | this is Mitake work item? | 12:39 |
| sdague | alex_xu: honestly, I hope we get some of it done before the release | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | s/Mitake/Mitaka.... | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 12:40 |
| sdague | documentation doesn't go into freeze the same way as the rest of the release | 12:40 |
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| sdague | we can move on to the next couple of topics | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - specs | 12:40 |
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| alex_xu | nothing listed at here | 12:41 |
| alex_xu | so let move on? | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are some in the etherpad I guess | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but fixes that needed specs | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think I have +2ed them, but need to get other drivers to approve them | 12:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, I got distracted with the previous docs topic | 12:42 |
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| sdague | so, the intent here is we should have a list of all specs with API changes in them that are up for review | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we agreed docs was the most important thing for liberty, so I would love to see some progress there, however small it is | 12:42 |
| sdague | because, in reviewing some of the API changes in code, we had some late fixes needed | 12:42 |
| sdague | which has blocked a few of those for the release | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, there are a few of those, we should keep tracking them | 12:42 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: are all nova-specs with API changes getting tagged with APIImpact currently? | 12:43 |
| sdague | if not, could we ask for that | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: they should be, we usually add it if not | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: we do ask for it already, just no everyone does it | 12:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | s/just no/just not/ | 12:43 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: you want to go through all the apiimpact spec in this topic? | 12:44 |
| edleafe | I've seen several reviews in the last cycle where reviewers asked to add APIImpact | 12:44 |
| sdague | ok, something isn't working with that query | 12:44 |
| sdague | #action sdague to find gerrit query to pull all API changed specs | 12:45 |
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| alex_xu | I have link for dashboard | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?title=Nova+API+Spec+Dashboard&foreach=project:openstack/nova-specs&Reviewed+by+me=reviewer:xuhj+is:open+message:apiimpact&Recently+Closed+And+Reviewed+by+me=is:closed+limit:15+message:apiimpact&Recently+Closed=is:closed+reviewer:self+limit:30+message:apiimpact&Open=is:open+message:apiimpact | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | hope this helpful | 12:46 |
| sdague | oh, it has to be lower case | 12:46 |
| sdague | ok, good call | 12:46 |
| sdague | so once specs get approved for the cycle, we should then also be tracking all the patches that are relevant to those changes | 12:47 |
| sdague | which would be the next topic | 12:47 |
| sdague | that will probably require a query that we keep updated with the latest approved blueprints for that cycle | 12:47 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | from the priorit etherpad | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | I think there is one api bug fix is more important | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198622/2 | 12:48 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ^^ | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | it's about we missing porting an API from v2 to v2.1 | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | and we already get agreement on how to fix it | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that ones important | 12:49 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: iirc the functional code for that is ready to go, it just needs procedural approval | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I had +2ed it, it lost that vote | 12:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I thought I reached out to some driver folks, but doesn't seem like any of them got to that | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets re-apply our +1s as a start | 12:50 |
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| sdague | done | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | ok, no more on this topic, maybe next week | 12:51 |
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| sdague | I think the last thing is the 'nmi' interface | 12:51 |
| sdague | just to round up where we stand on that | 12:51 |
| sdague | I -1ed that patch because it's weird semantics for our API | 12:51 |
| sdague | and I feel like it should have been "crashdump" in the API, and nmi is an implementation detail | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202617/ | 12:52 |
| sdague | given timing, we probably need to revisit the interface in mitaka | 12:52 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: that your feeling as well? | 12:52 |
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| * alex_xu need think about more | 12:53 | |
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| sdague | ok, well johnthetubaguy has -2ed it, so we'll revise next cycle | 12:55 |
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| alex_xu | ok...let's move on | 12:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it feels like the deadline has passed for new features now | 12:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (sorry being bombarded in openstack-nova) | 12:55 |
| sdague | no prob | 12:55 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - patches for approved specs | 12:55 |
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| alex_xu | anything for this? | 12:56 |
| sdague | alex_xu: well, we were kind of just on that topic :) | 12:56 |
| edleafe | the nmi stuff feels like the cpu features | 12:56 |
| sdague | so let's just jump to open discussion | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea... | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:56 |
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| edleafe | too specific to an architecture | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | I forget to ask, what plan for removing extension? | 12:56 |
| sdague | I have one question. I'm going to write up the extensions deprecation document this week, so we can have some clarity | 12:56 |
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| sdague | but my question is "where" should it be | 12:57 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: aren't they supposed to be deprecated in Liberty? | 12:57 |
| alex_xu | we are pretty late for this. maybe just deprecate some config option for extension for this release? | 12:57 |
| sdague | because, this partially feels like a liberty spec, even though late | 12:57 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: we want to | 12:57 |
| sdague | it could be devref (but it feels like a spec) | 12:57 |
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| alex_xu | and next week is propose freeze | 12:58 |
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| edleafe | if it's going away, probably not devref, right? | 12:58 |
| sdague | I don't want to make it a backlog or mitaka spec because we do really want to flag extensions as a deprecated topic before we're done | 12:58 |
| sdague | with liberty | 12:58 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: need some guidance here | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think we need to deprecate those configs | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | I think let's check if we can do thing for user visible thing first | 12:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am happy to just approve a blueprint for that, unless we feel it needs a spec? | 12:59 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well I'm happy to write up the overall spec with items that get done for liberty in there | 12:59 |
| sdague | I feel like the whole of the transition to no extensions is probably spec worthy | 13:00 |
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| sdague | there seems to be a lot of confusion at times, and there have been nova channel fights over it, so we should write down the whole path | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there stuff beyond deprecating the configs that we need to merge this cycle? | 13:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, thats very, very true | 13:00 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: we should also merge some document that signals this is going away for real in a couple of cycles | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 13:01 |
| sdague | beyond just config deprecation | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we could do that in devref in those patches | 13:01 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, devref it is | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | we run out of time.... | 13:01 |
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| sdague | yep | 13:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: let me know the BP, and I can get that approved | 13:01 |
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| sdague | sure | 13:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think thats the best option this late in the cycle | 13:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | (given how hard it was to merge the other specs at this point) | 13:02 |
| sdague | yep, thanks folks | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | yea, thanks all, let move to openstack-nova | 13:02 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: ok, I'll do a futures spec for the whole arc then | 13:02 |
| * johnthetubaguy feels happier about the progress reports now, thank you sdague! | 13:02 | |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 13:02:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-08-11-12.00.html | 13:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-08-11-12.00.txt | 13:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-08-11-12.00.log.html | 13:02 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 13:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:02 |
| Qiming | hello | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:03 |
| lkarm | hi | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | pls add agenda here if you have topics: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:03 |
| Qiming | just the 3 of us? | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | I think haiwei and linxinhui are also here? | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | they are still in senlin channel I guess | 13:05 |
| Qiming | okay, let's go ahead | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | they can check the minutes if cannot join at the moment | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | #topic liberty-3 milestone targets | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty-3 milestone targets (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:06 | |
| Qiming | hi, heyongli | 13:06 |
| Qiming | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-liberty-workitems | 13:06 |
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| haiwei | sorry, a little late | 13:07 |
| Qiming | we still have some backlog to handle, but most of them are related to unit tests | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:07 |
| Qiming | don't worry, we just got started | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | as for the unit test coverage, the latest number is 78% | 13:07 |
| Qiming | there are still some under review | 13:07 |
| Qiming | another work is about triggers, I'll jump on to that in the following days | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | I think unit test of senlin service won't be a big problem | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | for liberty-3 goals, I'm listing them as separate topics for discussion today | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | I believe we can achieve our goal before deadline | 13:09 |
| Qiming | that would be good | 13:09 |
| haiwei | yap | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | what I'm a little worried about is the unit test of client | 13:10 |
| Qiming | before moving on to other topics, haiwei, do you have some updates on exception handling? | 13:10 |
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| yanyanhu | it seems to be a big workitem | 13:10 |
| haiwei | I have done that a little, recently | 13:10 |
| Qiming | right, saw your patches | 13:10 |
| Qiming | but it won't be an one night job as far as I can see | 13:11 |
| Qiming | we will continue work on improving things along the way | 13:11 |
| haiwei | what's difficult I think is how to catch the internalError in upper layer | 13:11 |
| Qiming | yep, that would be a case by case analysis and handling | 13:11 |
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| haiwei | I also noticed one thing that senlin make all the ignore_missing as True | 13:12 |
| Qiming | haiwei, just posted some comments on that | 13:12 |
| haiwei | that means the driver will return None, if the resource is not found | 13:12 |
| haiwei | ok, I will check that later | 13:12 |
| Qiming | defaulting ignore_missing to False would be the right thing, except for those xyz_delete() methods | 13:13 |
| Qiming | if you want to delete a resource, and the resource is not found, it should be okay | 13:13 |
| Qiming | other than that, it should be treated separately | 13:13 |
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| haiwei | I will think about it | 13:13 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | we haven't started the client unit tests work | 13:14 |
| Qiming | should start that asap | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | that's great. I saw the patch of start point | 13:14 |
| Qiming | there are quite something outdated in the interaction with SDK | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | yes, especially we are still using resource call I think | 13:15 |
| Qiming | as we add more resources to SDK, the client code will be change a lot | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | in client side | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:15 |
| Qiming | right, that may render the test cases for them a waste of time --- they would have to be rewritten | 13:16 |
| Qiming | will think about it and work out a framework | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | if you and haiwei dont have enough bandwidth, I will also work on it after finish functional test related jobs | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | agree | 13:16 |
| Qiming | when we are filling the holes for test case coverages, please help review | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:16 |
| Qiming | sometimes, I cannot find which one has been merged, sometimes, have to rebase a lot things if patches are not reviewed in time | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | let's move on | 13:17 |
| Qiming | #topic functional testing updates | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | so we have functional testing gate job set up | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | yes, we are in good progress I think :) | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209736/ | 13:18 |
| Qiming | I' wondering why it is not triggered every time when patches drop in? | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208355/ | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | since it is experimental now | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | so if we want gate to help run functional test, we need manually trigger it by adding comments like 'check experimental' | 13:19 |
| Qiming | I understand it has been set non-voting | 13:19 |
| Qiming | okay, I see | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | this is a recommended way to add functional test when we can't ensure it can work correctly | 13:19 |
| Qiming | thanks for clarification | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | no problem :) | 13:19 |
| Qiming | is it working as expected so far? | 13:20 |
| Qiming | for some simple tests? | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | after it can work correctly, we will move it to check pipeline | 13:20 |
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| yanyanhu | seems not... | 13:20 |
| Qiming | pls help diagnose then | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | it is really important for a stable service | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | I think there could be some problems when gate setup the basic test environment which includes senlin service | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:21 |
| Qiming | we are not creating just a toy | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | will do that | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | right | 13:21 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:21 |
| Qiming | let's move on | 13:21 |
| Qiming | #topic clusters of containers | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | this is something we plan to show case during the coming summit | 13:22 |
| Qiming | Julio has been helping doing some investigations | 13:22 |
| Qiming | and some students from Tongji univ have been working on that since early this month | 13:23 |
| Qiming | the progress is amazing, I can say | 13:23 |
| Qiming | the students were able to create a cluster of Docker containers in three days | 13:23 |
| lkarm | can we see a demo? or are there instructions somewhere to test it ourselves | 13:24 |
| Qiming | they were not that familar with any OpenStack code before | 13:24 |
| haiwei | they use magnum to do that? | 13:24 |
| Qiming | they gave us a demo via webconference | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | not yet, they created their own python program to call Senlin APIs | 13:25 |
| lixinhui_ | amaizing | 13:25 |
| Qiming | create profile, prepare cloud-config scripts, create VM clusters, start dockers inside VMS | 13:25 |
| haiwei | great !!! | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | yep, I think those guys are excellent | 13:26 |
| Qiming | I was shocked ... | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | so, after some discussions with the team yesterday, we have assigned some more tasks to them | 13:26 |
| lixinhui_ | It is a interesting cooperation between senlin and container | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | play with load-balancing policy and auto-scaling policy | 13:26 |
| Qiming | stand up some meaningful apps from inside containers | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | the chosen app would be wordpress | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | if things are all going well, we may coach them on doing auto-scaling based on container metrics next week | 13:28 |
| Qiming | lkarm, I'll ask the team to record something that can be shared | 13:29 |
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| lkarm | that would be great! would love to see it | 13:29 |
| Qiming | definitely | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | if there are thoughts on improving/polishing the demo case, please share with the team | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | I've already asked the team to try use Senlin to create Docker bay in Magnum | 13:31 |
| Qiming | would be curious to see if that is possible | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | any suggestions on this work? | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | okay, let's move on | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | do we need to revise the code of magnum? | 13:33 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | yanyanhu, yes, that is inevitable | 13:33 |
| Qiming | team will create a branch for experiments | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so if it is something like plugin or driver, that would be nice | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | I'm planning to collect their work here: https://github.com/tengqm/conclusur | 13:34 |
| Qiming | that would depend on Magnum's design | 13:34 |
| Qiming | conclusur = CONtainer CLUster SUR | 13:35 |
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| haiwei | not to senlin directory directly? | 13:35 |
| Qiming | no, it would be a work for magnum | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | nice, hope they can update their work soon, then other guys can help to review and give some comments | 13:36 |
| Qiming | there would be some sample profiles that can be checked into senlin project | 13:36 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, that's the plan | 13:36 |
| Qiming | oh, forgot to add an item about the HA (high-availability) work | 13:37 |
| lixinhui_ | I am also interested at auto-scaling + container demo | 13:37 |
| lixinhui_ | let me know the demo when it is ready | 13:37 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, you are a hero, you can do everything, :) | 13:37 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:37 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:37 |
| haiwei | a little confused, their jobs will be invited to senlin finally, right? | 13:37 |
| Qiming | haiwei, it will be a show case of Senlin | 13:38 |
| Qiming | but the code should go to Magnum | 13:38 |
| Qiming | if is an application from Senlin's perspective | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | there would be something we can harvest in the end | 13:39 |
| haiwei | got it, it's just like a use case how magnum uses senlin? | 13:39 |
| Qiming | right | 13:39 |
| Qiming | that is already a very strong argument how useful senlin could be | 13:39 |
| Qiming | okay, back to the HA discussion | 13:40 |
| Qiming | lixinhui and I visited China Mobile this afternoon | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | for a discussion on the coming NFV summit presentation proposal | 13:40 |
| Qiming | we will try to demonstrate to those telecom vendors how Senlin could help achieve service resiliency | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | the conclusion is that we will show three things in the presentation | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | 1. placement policy 2. HA for stateful apps (VNFs) 3. HA for stateless apps (VNFs) | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | the good news is that lixinhui has already prototyped an integration of Senlin with VMware DRS service | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | though it is only about placement policy (something we can still improve), it is a very good starting point already | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | the OpenNFV summit is scheduled at early November | 13:44 |
| Qiming | hopefully, we can have all three scenarios supported by then | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | this would be another strong evidence how Senlin could enable different usage scenarios | 13:45 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes, will make efforts there | 13:45 |
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| lixinhui_ | Not just NFV, High availability is super important | 13:46 |
| lixinhui_ | even to VMware openstack product VIO | 13:47 |
| Qiming | exactly | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | but I think senlin provide a super good/flexible structure/framwork | 13:47 |
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| lixinhui_ | to resolve end2end HA | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | glad to hear that | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | yes, agree. actually besides HA policy, placement policy is a place to provide HA ability as well | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | although maybe in different layer | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes, Yanyan. So we can cooperate together to show this capability. | 13:49 |
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| yanyanhu | definitely :) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | anything else? | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | I want to talk a little bit about driver plugin workitem | 13:50 |
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| yanyanhu | since we have started this work and have finished nova_v2 related support, maybe we can start use this way to refer to nova driver :) | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211058/ | 13:51 |
| Qiming | btw, in case you are interested in how VMware DRS is integrated with Senlin, please check it here: https://vmware.webex.com/vmware/lsr.php?RCID=76dafb3818d14ed69a99f49fdcf1a4ef | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | sure, we are absolutely interested in it :) | 13:52 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, it all looks good so far | 13:52 |
| Qiming | basically this enables Senlin to talk to different clouds | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | yes, that's our purpose to do this job | 13:53 |
| Qiming | I'd suggest we make the 'SenlinDriver' a global var lazily initialized | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | we hope to provide more flexibility using this way to manage drivers | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | agree with this | 13:54 |
| Qiming | but considering that lazy loading may bring some new problems | 13:54 |
| Qiming | we can postpone that later | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | and we need to refresh this variable each time reload engine | 13:54 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | I think maybe I can give an introduction with more details about this job next week | 13:55 |
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| yanyanhu | to let everybody know more about it | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | if we have a global var, we will have cloud.compute(...) instead of driver_base.SenlinDriver().compute(params) | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | sure, please add an item on the agenda | 13:56 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:57 |
| Qiming | 3 minutes left | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | are we done? | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | no more topics from me | 13:57 |
| Qiming | 2 mins | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | seems we are done | 13:58 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:58 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining, guys | 13:58 |
| Qiming | talk to you next week | 13:58 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 13:58:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-08-11-13.02.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-08-11-13.02.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-08-11-13.02.log.html | 13:58 |
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| mestery | hi | 13:59 |
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| xgerman | Hi | 13:59 |
| yushiro | hi | 13:59 |
| annp | hi | 13:59 |
| vikram | hi | 13:59 |
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| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 14:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 14:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:00 |
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| mestery | Lots of bugs to discuss today, some Liberty-3 items as well | 14:01 |
| mestery | So, lets get rolling | 14:01 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mestery | Liberty-3 is 3 weeks away | 14:01 |
| obondarev | hi | 14:01 |
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| mestery | Thus, the FF is 3 weeks away | 14:01 |
| mestery | #info Liberty-3 and the FF are 3 weeks away | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Liberty_Release_Notes | 14:01 |
| salv-orl_ | aloha | 14:01 |
| mestery | #info Liberty Release Notes can begin to be populated for things which have already landed | 14:02 |
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| mestery | It's going to be a long 3 weeks I suspect :) | 14:02 |
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| mestery | Or a fast 3 weeks | 14:02 |
| regXboi | I vote for #2 | 14:02 |
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| mestery | Any other announcements anyone wants to share with the team? | 14:02 |
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| regXboi | we've got convergence on the multinode DVR job in the pipeline | 14:03 |
| * regXboi is dancing | 14:03 | |
| mestery | \o/ | 14:03 |
| mestery | yay! | 14:03 |
| regXboi | #link http://goo.gl/EAugSi | 14:03 |
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| mestery | #info The multinode DVR job has converged with the single node DVR job | 14:03 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Is the plan to propose a patch to remove the single node DVR job later this week? | 14:03 |
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| regXboi | mestery: yes - I'm planning that for Friday am, if all goes well | 14:04 |
| dougwig | O/ | 14:04 |
| regXboi | mestery: and make the multinode voting | 14:04 |
| mestery | regXboi: Excellent, thanks for jumping in on DVR! | 14:04 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move on in the agenda now | 14:04 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 14:04 |
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| mestery | First up: | 14:04 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1477192 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 14:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] | 14:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477192 | 14:04 |
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| mestery | HenryG: I assigned this one to you to have an IPv6 minion examine further. Ack if that sounds manageable. | 14:05 |
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| ihrachyshka | late o/ | 14:05 |
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| HenryG | ack | 14:06 |
| mestery | Thanks HenryG | 14:06 |
| mestery | Next up | 14:06 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1461172 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] | 14:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] | 14:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461172 | 14:06 |
| mestery | This one looks to have 21 failures from the logstash query in the description | 14:06 |
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| mestery | I'll assign this to the L3 team for further triage unless someone wants in on it | 14:07 |
| amuller | mestery: if you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=functional-tests | 14:07 |
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| amuller | we currently have 4 bugs reported on 4 different tests in the functional job failing every so often | 14:07 |
| amuller | each individual test doesn't have a high failure rate | 14:07 |
| mestery | amuller: Ack on that | 14:07 |
| mestery | Correct | 14:07 |
| amuller | but the 4 combined... | 14:08 |
| mestery | That's where the fun starts amuller, math always makes things fun ;) | 14:08 |
| amuller | I'd appreciate anyone picking up any of those 4 | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | mestery: we'll llok at this bug in the L3 team | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | look^^^^ | 14:08 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Thanks mlavalle | 14:08 |
| mestery | OK, next up | 14:08 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439696 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] | 14:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] | 14:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439696 | 14:09 |
| mestery | dougwig: This looks like an LBaaS V1 bug to me, I think you concurred in the bug | 14:09 |
| mestery | dougwig: Given we have to keep LBaaS around for Liberty before removing it in Mitaka, I suspect this one needs a patch. | 14:09 |
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| dougwig | mestery: ok, i'll find someone to look at this one. no status update now. | 14:10 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Yup, sounds good, thanks. | 14:10 |
| mestery | Next up | 14:10 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1404743 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] | 14:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] | 14:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1404743 | 14:10 |
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| dougwig | lb or ovs? | 14:11 |
| mestery | This one has a large number of hits using the logstash query provided (475 last time I looked) | 14:11 |
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| mestery | dougwig: OVS | 14:12 |
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| mestery | Next up | 14:12 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378732 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1378732 in neutron "migrate_to_ml2 script doesn't work for Juno release" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Mark McClain (markmcclain) | 14:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378732 in neutron "migrate_to_ml2 script doesn't work for Juno release" [High,Confirmed] | 14:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1378732 in neutron "migrate_to_ml2 script doesn't work for Juno release" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1378732 | 14:13 |
| mestery | markmcclain: From the trail in the bug, it's unclear if this one is still relevant. If you get a moment, can you eyeball and update please? | 14:13 |
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| mestery | And finally we have | 14:14 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1163569 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in OpenStack Security Notes "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Weston (steve.weston) | 14:14 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Another LBaaS V1 bug for triaging :) | 14:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163569 in ossn "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163569 | 14:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163569 in ossn "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] | 14:14 |
| mestery | It's your lucky day | 14:14 |
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| dougwig | aye. is this a feature by design, or a simple oversight when it was first implemented? | 14:14 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: this is so old my hairs were still brown when it was filed | 14:14 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: Heh :) | 14:15 |
| mestery | dougwig: Unsure, it's possible we mark this as Incomplete for now. | 14:15 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Lets circle back post meeting on this one. | 14:15 |
| salv-orl_ | definetely lbass v1 | 14:15 |
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| mestery | That's all I had for High priority bugs not currently "In Progress" | 14:15 |
| dougwig | this one is tricky, since third party drivers might run afoul of the iptables rules we'd add. | 14:15 |
| dougwig | ok. | 14:15 |
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| mestery | Yup | 14:15 |
| * mestery doesn't see emagana or Sam-I-Am so skips a doc update | 14:16 | |
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| mlavalle | mestery: did you assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1404743 to someone? | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] | 14:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1404743 | 14:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [High,Confirmed] | 14:16 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: I did not, are you up for that one? | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: we are looking at it in the l3 team | 14:16 |
| regXboi | mestery: there is another bug in the offing relating to SSH failures - let me try and dig up the logstash query and file it | 14:16 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Thanks | 14:17 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Sounds good! | 14:17 |
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| salv-orl_ | btw, that's not as critical as it seems. Failure occur in bursts. so you have a lot of hits on the same job | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | mestery: I will change the tag, same for the other one you gave us | 14:17 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Thanks | 14:17 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: Your wisdom is, as always, most welcome :D | 14:17 |
| mestery | OK, lets keep things moving | 14:18 |
| mestery | #topic Why Third-Party CI Systems Should Not Be Allowed To Vote -1 (e.g. the section of the meeting most likely to lead to Bike Shedding) | 14:18 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/207198 | 14:18 |
| * dougwig gets out his rollers. | 14:18 | |
| mestery | I know armax has some issues with my strong language here, which I'm fine fixing, but who wants to defend voting -1 from third-party CI systems? | 14:19 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: I stopped voting with my CI for a while now | 14:19 |
| dougwig | i will. a -1 from a reliable 3rd party CI is a useful thing, as it affects query filters. | 14:19 |
| * mestery hugs salv-orl_ | 14:19 | |
| dougwig | that said, i don't vote -1 either. | 14:19 |
| salv-orl_ | nobody looks at that vote unless it's a -1. If that's an honest -1 they ignore it | 14:19 |
| xgerman | we might want that in Octavia with our Sonar thing | 14:19 |
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| salv-orl_ | if it's a ci issue they bark | 14:19 |
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| xgerman | it’s not like official OpenStack tooling has a lot of static code analysis tools | 14:20 |
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| salv-orl_ | I need my CI to know when something breaks our plugins. Not to warn other developers that they're breaking my plugin. | 14:20 |
| mestery | Yup | 14:20 |
| dougwig | i'd like folks to see if they're making a backwards incompatible change. not to have all 20 plugin maintainers play constant catchup. | 14:21 |
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| salv-orl_ | still, if people working on the reference control plane would keep in mind the DB classes are meant to be purely mgmt plane, that would be great | 14:21 |
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| * salv-orl_ rant over | 14:21 | |
| mestery | I'm honestly agnostic to this change, but that's my take on third-party CI in general. | 14:21 |
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| mestery | I won't repeat my rant from the summit on this topic, mostly to spare the handful of people paying attention here | 14:21 |
| mestery | OK | 14:22 |
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| anteaya | xgerman: we are open to building openstack tooling that meets code analysis needs | 14:22 |
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| anteaya | if someone is willing to offer the spec and build it | 14:22 |
| anteaya | we will offer reviews | 14:22 |
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| dougwig | anteaya: i think they're using a proprietary tool to do the analysis. | 14:22 |
| mestery | bleah! | 14:22 |
| dougwig | does that still work? | 14:22 |
| xgerman | it’s open source - ish | 14:23 |
| mestery | ish? | 14:23 |
| anteaya | I have no interest in propietary toolking | 14:23 |
| ajo | anteaya (offtopic) a python code indexer like linux cross ref project would also be amazing for openstack too ;) | 14:23 |
| dougwig | anteaya: that was my guess. :) | 14:23 |
| anteaya | well it has to be open scource to be considered openstack infra tooling | 14:23 |
| anteaya | dougwig: okay thanks | 14:23 |
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| mestery | Folks, I'd just like to close on this "third party CI voting" | 14:23 |
| xgerman | #link http://15.126.130.201/sonar/ | 14:23 |
| johnsom | We are trying out sonarqube which is LGPLv3 | 14:23 |
| anteaya | ajo: I have no argument, spec, agreement, build | 14:23 |
| mestery | I didn't see anyone other than dougwig jump in to defend it | 14:23 |
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| dougwig | it is 8am, who else is here? :) | 14:24 |
| xgerman | 7 am | 14:24 |
| mestery | I guess I'll reference the meeting in the review since, per usual, this meeting has low attendance /cc dougwig | 14:24 |
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| mestery | Lets move along | 14:24 |
| mestery | #topic Liberty-3 BPs and Specs | 14:24 |
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| mestery | 3 weeks left | 14:24 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-3 | 14:24 |
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| mestery | I've created a handy dandy gerrit dashboard for folks who wanted one | 14:25 |
| mestery | #link https://goo.gl/x9bO7i | 14:25 |
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| mestery | #info PLEASE UPDATE YOUR TOPIC IN PATCHES YOU HAVE FOR LIBERTY-3 BPs SO THE GERRIT DASHBOARD WORKS | 14:25 |
| mestery | MOAR YELLING | 14:25 |
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| regXboi | mestery: MOAR ??? | 14:25 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071786.html | 14:25 |
| mestery | regXboi: It's a meme ;) | 14:26 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: Is this link the qos pecan only dash? | 14:26 |
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| mestery | ^^^ For those who want to read more than a tl;dr here | 14:26 |
| mestery | Meh | 14:26 |
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| vikram_ | #join /openstack-neutron | 14:26 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That link is for all Essential/High/Medium L3 BPs | 14:26 |
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| mestery | As you can see, it really needs some love from folks with patches to update their topics | 14:26 |
| mestery | For it to be more useful than it is | 14:27 |
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| * mestery thinks we should have a poll on how people discover patches to review | 14:28 | |
| mestery | Next up | 14:28 |
| mestery | #topic Merging QoS and pecan back | 14:28 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka promised me a feature/qos "merge into master" commit this week yet | 14:29 |
| ihrachyshka | I guess here I need to say smth... | 14:29 |
| mestery | I remain hopeful we can fold that back in soon enough | 14:29 |
| ihrachyshka | so basically, we plan to squash remaining patches prior to merge-back in next hours. | 14:29 |
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| ihrachyshka | then I'll create a merge-back patch + send an email with some info/links | 14:29 |
| ajo | I tested it manually, and looking good after fixing a nit | 14:30 |
| ajo | which is up for review & merge :) | 14:30 |
| ihrachyshka | and then I expect other cores to jump on it, and do review :) | 14:30 |
| mestery | ajo ihrachyshka: Nice work | 14:30 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery, we will need you to push remaining things, but I guess that's about it until we are in master | 14:30 |
| ajo | I will put down some instructions on how to test it, and a video to show how it works | 14:30 |
| ihrachyshka | ajo++ | 14:30 |
| mestery | I should note that when this merge commit comes out, please do not nitpick it. The plan would be to merge it and if people really want to bike shed on it, lets file a bug to fix post-merge back. | 14:31 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Thanks for the update | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | we hope that documentation we provide will be enough to start with reviews, but anyway, we'll be avail to answer questions | 14:31 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Excellent | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery, I am for nitpicking | 14:31 |
| dougwig | i don't think merge commits have diffs, anyway. | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | as long as it does not block the merge | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | we are happy to handle it post-merge | 14:31 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: You can borrow dougwig's paint brush | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | dougwig, you fetch it, then git diff origin/master...HEAD | 14:32 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: We'll have it in the merge queue before anyone can do that :P | 14:32 |
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| dougwig | ihrachyshka: real work tends to scare away bike shedding. :) | 14:32 |
| ihrachyshka | meh. I will digress. | 14:32 |
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| mestery | Thanks | 14:32 |
| mestery | I know kevinbenton salv-orl_ and blogan are working on some (final?) patches for feature/pecan | 14:33 |
| mestery | So we can fold that back into master in an experimental state | 14:34 |
| mestery | Maybe next week | 14:34 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: I think there are still a bit of TODOs to address to make it functionally equivalent with the eventlet wsgi framework | 14:34 |
| salv-orl_ | we'll se how many of them will be squashed in this week and then we'll reassess next week | 14:34 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: Ack on that, I expect this one to get a FF exception already anyways, now I've said it :P | 14:34 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: at the end of the day is an optional, self contained, component | 14:35 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: Yup | 14:35 |
| salv-orl_ | getting rid of it is a simple as doing git rm -rf neutron/newapi | 14:35 |
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| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:36 |
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| * mestery passes coffee around | 14:36 | |
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| dougwig | need some eyeballs on the new lbaas horizon work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206797/ | 14:36 |
| * salv-orl_ recalls happy meetings when something else was being passed around | 14:36 | |
| * mestery smacks the redbull out of dougwig's shaking hand | 14:36 | |
| dougwig | it's in a new repo, so it's easy to miss. | 14:36 |
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| amuller | maybe this is the forum to bring up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210766/, which adds a very opionated testing coverage doc to Neutron | 14:37 |
| amuller | or opinionated if you insist on correct spelling | 14:38 |
| amuller | I'd appreciate if anyone can sit down and give that doc some thought | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | salv-orl_: i am working on a new feature where i have added an attribute to ports in the old wsgi / api implementation. do I need to reimplemennt in the new pecan framework? | 14:38 |
| salv-orl_ | amuller: opiated works too for me. | 14:38 |
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| ajo | salv-orl_ I will take it opiated too.. | 14:39 |
| ajo | ;) | 14:39 |
| salv-orl_ | amuller: the obvious comment from somebody pedant like me is that as long as you're happy to maintain it that's ok for me | 14:39 |
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| amuller | salv-orl_: that is one thing I can commit to yes | 14:39 |
| salv-orl_ | mlavalle: kevinbenton has a mechanisms for loading existing extensions in pecan, so that's ok | 14:39 |
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| mlavalle | salv-orl_: :-) | 14:39 |
| amuller | salv-orl_: reviewers will have to keep our various .rsts in mind, if a patch adds tests to something that is marked as X there, then that patch should also update the .rst | 14:40 |
| mestery | amuller: At some point it would be fun to look at OVS sandbox for testing or even the container stuff marun is working on for non-neutron stuff. That holds promise for multinode testing on a single host :) | 14:40 |
| mestery | amuller: But that's all future stuff, not exactly relevant to this doc right now. | 14:40 |
| amuller | mestery: aye | 14:40 |
| mestery | amuller: Thanks for your continued efforts on Neutron testing, this doc is fantastic to see | 14:40 |
| mestery | OK, that about does it. | 14:41 |
| mestery | With less than 3 weeks until FF, the pressure is on. | 14:41 |
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| mestery | Thanks for your continued support and efforts on OpenStack Neutron. | 14:41 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 14:41:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-08-11-14.00.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-08-11-14.00.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-08-11-14.00.log.html | 14:41 |
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| * breton yawns | 17:53 | |
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| morgan_503 | breton: you're ~5 mins early | 17:55 |
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| morgan_503 | ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rharwood, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, stevemar, topol, wanghong | 17:58 |
| morgan_503 | Courtesy Ping for ... uh.. people. | 17:58 |
| morgan_503 | :) | 17:58 |
| raildo | o/ | 17:58 |
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| lbragstad | morgan_503: o/ | 17:58 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 17:58 |
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| browne | hi | 17:59 |
| dstanek | courtesy pong | 17:59 |
| samueldmq | hey, I am ready for another battle | 17:59 |
| gyee | \o | 17:59 |
| david8hu | \o | 17:59 |
| samueldmq | dstanek, hehe | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 17:59 |
| gyee | samueldmq, battle?! | 17:59 |
| breton | o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: no battles needed | 17:59 |
| samueldmq | gyee, yeah, dynamic policies, you know | 17:59 |
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| gyee | no need for battle, all love fest, just like summer of 1969 | 18:00 |
| morgan_503 | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi-hoooooo | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 18:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morgan_503. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| david8hu | samueldmq, vs | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| morgan_503 | #topic Agenda | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| morgan_503 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | gyee: I was about -20 then | 18:00 |
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| samueldmq | gyee, ++ hehe | 18:01 |
| morgan_503 | #topic Centralized Policies Distribution | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Centralized Policies Distribution (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
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| samueldmq | david8hu, just kidding :) it has been fun to run with it | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | and there we go | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 18:01 |
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| morgan_503 | we have lots to cover | 18:01 |
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| jamielennox | o/ | 18:01 |
| morgan_503 | so... going to timebox some. | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | so, operators feedback is what we missed on this point | 18:01 |
| morgan_503 | you have ~15m | 18:01 |
| morgan_503 | max | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | people know what we want to this cycle (distribute centralized policies) | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | we had the specs, etc, and we got operators feedback | 18:02 |
| gyee | samueldmq, we'll bring it in up in the ops midcycle next week | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | morgan_503, got it, thanks | 18:02 |
| gyee | under "burning issues" | 18:02 |
| david8hu | samueldmq, will talk to the operators | 18:02 |
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| ericksonsantos | \o | 18:02 |
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| samueldmq | so, operators feedback | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org/msg02805.html | 18:03 |
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| samueldmq | about customizing and distributing we got things like: | 18:03 |
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| samueldmq | "Not the easiest task to either get right, or make sure that the files are distributed around in an HA setting. But absolutely necessary." - Kris G. Lindgren, Senior Linux Systems Engineer at Go Daddy | 18:03 |
| samueldmq | and others, so I think the lack of stackholders shouldn't be an issue anymore | 18:03 |
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| samueldmq | and I'd like to request an official decision on the SFE request | 18:04 |
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| samueldmq | (since we still don't need a FFE) | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg57416.html | 18:04 |
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| samueldmq | any objection? comment? :) | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | morgan_503, should we vote? or anything else? | 18:05 |
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| morgan_503 | sure. can start a vote unless someone has something else to add | 18:05 |
| breton | how ready is it? | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | gyee, yes, bringing it up in the ops midcycle is great, however independent from having it approved internally, given the good feedbacks, good progress in the code/specs | 18:06 |
| morgan_503 | regardless of state it will be classified as expirimental and optional in liberty at best | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | :) | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | do we have a sponsor? | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | breton, all the code/specs is under https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/dynamic-policies-delivery,n,z | 18:06 |
| gyee | samuldmq, I am all for it | 18:06 |
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| morgan_503 | pending adoption and/or solving outstanding critical issues in mitaka it could be considered for stable | 18:06 |
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| henrynash | morgan_503: let;s calrify thta…since when I asked that before, ayoung said it would not be experimental | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | breton, specs have 2x +2, code is 90%+ submitted and reviewable | 18:07 |
| morgan_503 | it will be expirimental or i -2 | 18:07 |
| morgan_503 | it is the same as all new code in keystone | 18:07 |
| lhcheng | samueldmq: I've been pinging our core operations team to give a feedback, but we have a use case for centralizing the policy file. It is more nice to have, but not critical. | 18:07 |
| morgan_503 | a cycle for sussing out before contract is set in stone | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | can we approve the spec for backlog? | 18:07 |
| * morgan_503 plays PTL card on this one | 18:07 | |
| samueldmq | I agree it is experimental | 18:07 |
| henrynash | morgan_503”: ++ | 18:07 |
| gyee | you build it, we'll kick the tire | 18:07 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I already +2’d if fo rthat | 18:07 |
| morgan_503 | so i'm happy to vote on SPFE, which would in turn allow the specs to be approved for liberty | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | lhcheng, nice, one more good feedback in the list, thanks | 18:08 |
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| morgan_503 | no need to backlog shuffle for the ones targeted at this cycle | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | morgan_503, yes I agree with you and henrynash on the experimental flag | 18:08 |
| morgan_503 | so any concerns before vote? | 18:08 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung: any spec can be approved for backlog | 18:08 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung: no SPFE etc needed ever. | 18:08 |
| ayoung | morgan_503, I know...It was more a call to action than a request for approval | 18:09 |
| morgan_503 | ok so. | 18:09 |
| breton | #vote yes | 18:09 |
| morgan_503 | opening vote in... 1min unless someone says otherwise | 18:09 |
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| dstanek | *do it* | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, we are voting on making it possible to merge them to L | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, o/ | 18:09 |
| morgan_503 | #startvote Approve SPFE for policy distribution and scaffolding for dynamic policy? yes,no,i_dislike_concrete_options_but_still_vote_yes | 18:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Approve SPFE for policy distribution and scaffolding for dynamic policy? Valid vote options are yes, no, i_dislike_concrete_options_but_still_vote_yes. | 18:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| bknudson | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| gyee | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| morgan_503 | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| bknudson | if it's experimental then do whatever you want | 18:10 |
| breton | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:10 |
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| morgan_503 | #vote i_dislike_concrete_options_but_still_vote_yes | 18:10 |
| david8hu | #vote yes | 18:10 |
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| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #i_dislike_concrete_options_but_still_vote_yes | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #vote i_dislike_concrete_options_but_still_vote_yes | 18:11 |
| morgan_503 | 1m left on vote | 18:11 |
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| lhcheng | #vote yes | 18:11 |
| bknudson | I'm not signing up to review the changes. If others don't review it then it's not going to get in. | 18:11 |
| * lbragstad had to try out the new option | 18:11 | |
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| dstanek | i think there are still a few details i dont' like, but we can work them out | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | don't care | 18:11 |
| morgan_503 | bknudson: *nod* | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | that's why I asked if there was going to be sponsor | 18:11 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i've been reviewing a bit and working with samueldmq | 18:11 |
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| samueldmq | dstanek, thanks | 18:11 |
| morgan_503 | #endvote | 18:11 |
| gyee | lbragstad, on my todo list | 18:11 |
| openstack | Voted on "Approve SPFE for policy distribution and scaffolding for dynamic policy?" Results are | 18:11 |
| openstack | yes (9): gyee, dstanek, ayoung, lhcheng, bknudson, david8hu, samueldmq, henrynash, breton | 18:11 |
| openstack | i_dislike_concrete_options_but_still_vote_yes (2): morgan_503, lbragstad | 18:11 |
| morgan_503 | ok so i think that is a yes. | 18:12 |
| dstanek | ayoung: you win! | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | morgan_503, looks right :) | 18:12 |
| ayoung | Whaddaya know...miracles do happen | 18:12 |
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| gyee | dstanek, he's like Charlie Sheen, he always wins | 18:12 |
| henrynash | I also think that we must be careful in terms of priority, in Kilo, reviews of Fernet tokens (whcih was an SFE) took precedence over other things that where dubmitted before the deadline…some of which didn’t get in….that can’t happen again | 18:12 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung, samueldmq: please respond to the ML thread reference this vote as approval, lets merge the specs - if there are no critical -1s on them, we can merge them today, no 2x+2 needed on the specs (refer to this vote when approving) | 18:12 |
| morgan_503 | be sure to clearly indicate that this will be exprimental like all other code. | 18:13 |
| bknudson | we still need to focus on reviews for fernet tokens to fix the bugs | 18:13 |
| ayoung | morgan_503, ++ will do my best. | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | morgan_503, great | 18:13 |
| dstanek | gyee: i only have nsfw responses for that | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ++ | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134655/ | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197980/ | 18:13 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, theres one with a jenkins issue...you are getting that, right? | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | the specs are those two ^ | 18:13 |
| morgan_503 | ok moving on | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, sure | 18:13 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:13 |
| morgan_503 | #topic Raising an exception if no domain specified on user/group/project create | 18:13 |
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| morgan_503 | henrynash: 5m | 18:13 |
| henrynash | ok | 18:13 |
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| samueldmq | yes so please let's get specs merged and review code | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | thanks all | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | :) | 18:14 |
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| henrynash | so as the bug indicates, this is where we try teh default domain in cases when you don’t supply a domain in a create entity call | 18:14 |
| morgan_503 | henrynash: #link the bug? | 18:14 |
| henrynash | this is not in the spec, nor do we really want this….it was in there due to tempest failing (a long time ago) | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | bug #1482330 | 18:15 |
| openstack | bug 1482330 in Keystone "Creating a user/group/project without a domain should raise an exception" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482330 - Assigned to Henry Nash (henry-nash) | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1482330 | 18:15 |
| stevemar | henrynash: this sounds like it should be a simple validation error | 18:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482330 in keystone "Creating a user/group/project without a domain should raise an exception" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482330 | 18:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482330 in keystone "Creating a user/group/project without a domain should raise an exception" [Medium,In progress] | 18:15 |
| henrynash | thx | 18:15 |
| henrynash | stevemar: and so it should | 18:15 |
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| breton | won't this break things? | 18:15 |
| morgan_503 | I agree with stevemar this seems like a validation error | 18:15 |
| gyee | henrynash, did we talked about this sometime back, like defaulting it to the caller's domain? | 18:15 |
| morgan_503 | however.... | 18:15 |
| henrynash | the question is - is it safe to cut this off after it being out ther for a while? | 18:15 |
| morgan_503 | changing the behavior is API incompatible | 18:16 |
| bknudson | you'd have to deprecate the old behavior | 18:16 |
| morgan_503 | bknudson: ++ | 18:16 |
| breton | morgan_503: ++ | 18:16 |
| htruta_ | henrynash, we should also consider that in reseller, it won't be necessary | 18:16 |
| bknudson | have a config option for it | 18:16 |
| henrynash | gyee: we do default to teh domain token…but if they, for insatnce, used a proejct token tehn we take this odd path | 18:16 |
| htruta_ | we'd infer it from the parent | 18:16 |
| ayoung | V3 ... domain should be specified. V2, default only. We all agree that is the proper semantics, right? | 18:16 |
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| morgan_503 | bknudson: i'd like to avoid that kind of option | 18:16 |
| henrynash | morgan503: we don’t specifiy this behaviour in the spec | 18:16 |
| morgan_503 | bknudson: but that is a fine work around for *today* | 18:17 |
| bknudson | another option is something on the request (a header or something) like microversioning | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | we shouldn't be defaulting to the default domain | 18:17 |
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| gyee | ayoung, yes | 18:17 |
| morgan_503 | i'm ok with an option to turn off the behavior today | 18:17 |
| morgan_503 | and we shouldn't default | 18:17 |
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| morgan_503 | ayoung's assessment is correct | 18:17 |
| morgan_503 | so lets just say make it an option, deprecate old behavior - lets not get into microversions for now | 18:17 |
| henrynash | morgan_503L so turn it off (by default), but allow a config switch to truen it back on | 18:18 |
| ayoung | when we validate a token, we should validate V3 only, so as to make the domain information explicit, too | 18:18 |
| henrynash | morgan_503: so turn it off (by default), but allow a config switch to truen it back on | 18:18 |
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| morgan_503 | bknudson: ^ i think this can't be done that way because this isn't security driven | 18:18 |
| ayoung | thinking in terms of enforcing policy.... | 18:18 |
| gyee | I am curious if tempest or something well break if we turn it off | 18:18 |
| henrynash | ayoung: understand, I’ll check this | 18:18 |
| morgan_503 | we have to default it to crrent behavior and in 2 cycles we can look at turning off by default | 18:18 |
| henrynash | gyee: no, it all passes now | 18:18 |
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| gyee | henrynash, oh good | 18:19 |
| henrynash | morgan_503: even thow we don’t specify it in the spec? | 18:19 |
| morgan_503 | i think it needs to maintain current behavior..but bknudson any input before moving on? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | microresponse code 400.301 | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | "Bad request, but we used to accept it." | 18:20 |
| morgan_503 | henrynash: sadly even if the spec doesn't say it... behavior is the contract [unless massive security hole] | 18:20 |
| gyee | hah | 18:20 |
| bknudson | morgan_503: I agree the default for this release should be to be the same as old behavior | 18:20 |
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| morgan_503 | ayoung: 400.201 | 18:20 |
| gyee | ++ | 18:20 |
| ayoung | "Bad request but we caaaept it anyway?" | 18:20 |
| bknudson | and log a message when it's used | 18:20 |
| henrynash | morgan_503: ok, got it….and that’s why I riased it here. Ok, I got what i neded | 18:20 |
| morgan_503 | cool | 18:20 |
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| morgan_503 | moving on.. next topic | 18:20 |
| bknudson | then change default to the new behavior next release | 18:20 |
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| bknudson | maybe change devstack to the new behavior | 18:21 |
| morgan_503 | #topic HTTP caching support | 18:21 |
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| morgan_503 | dstanek: 5m | 18:21 |
| dstanek | this is 2 parts... and ties back a little to dynamic policy | 18:21 |
| ayoung | Did we ever find out what caching support we get from the requests library? | 18:21 |
| dstanek | i put together an experimental client change | 18:21 |
| dstanek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211396/ | 18:21 |
| dstanek | this will allow you to enable HTTP caching when creating a session | 18:21 |
| dstanek | my next step is to get the new deps in g-r if there are no objections to my change | 18:21 |
| dstanek | jamielennox also wanted to see if we could make those optional deps | 18:22 |
| dstanek | thoughts? | 18:22 |
| morgan_503 | dstanek: make sure to replicate this in keystoneauth if no complaints | 18:22 |
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| * morgan_503 has no real complaints with this | 18:22 | |
| jamielennox | so my only thing was i always considered this something that like OSC would do, but i like the idea | 18:22 |
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| jamielennox | mainly because CacheControl lets you cache to a file so to cache things like discovery between cli invocations | 18:23 |
| morgan_503 | jamielennox: i think this is putting the features into session so osc can do it | 18:23 |
| morgan_503 | unless we want it a layer above session | 18:23 |
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| morgan_503 | (if even possible) | 18:23 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: in theory we could add it there, but we still need support in ksc so that ksm can take advantage of it | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | so there's a few options there i'd like to see if we can somehow expose | 18:23 |
| morgan_503 | sounds to me like dstanek and jamielennox have some conversations pending on this, but generally no opposition | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: yep, i'm good with the idea in theory i just want to see if we can make it a bit more generic thatn on/off | 18:24 |
| gyee | dstanek, is cache shared globally? | 18:24 |
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| gyee | or is it per sesssion | 18:24 |
| dstanek | gyee: just with the user running the code | 18:24 |
| ayoung | we should be able to specify a secure directory to store the cache, no? | 18:24 |
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| dstanek | so that is the client side | 18:24 |
| dstanek | yes....i have a script that i used | 18:24 |
| dstanek | #link http://paste.openstack.org/raw/412596/ | 18:24 |
| dstanek | to test my experimental patch | 18:25 |
| dstanek | i also want to make a spec for M to add in real caching support | 18:25 |
| dstanek | a real small sliver of the work needs to be done to support dynamic policy, but there is lots more to do | 18:25 |
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| dstanek | i wanted to get some feedback on the approach | 18:25 |
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| dstanek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211693/ | 18:25 |
| gyee | ayoung read my mind, just don't want to into shared cookie situation | 18:25 |
| morgan_503 | generally i want to issue cache-control everywhere and see clients be smart | 18:25 |
| morgan_503 | and cache where they are allowed to | 18:25 |
| ayoung | sess = session.Session(auth=auth, http_cache=caches.FileCache('.os_cache')) ... could we make that a secure temporary by default? | 18:25 |
| morgan_503 | this is moving down that path | 18:25 |
| morgan_503 | so i like it | 18:25 |
| dstanek | ayoung: gyee: look at the sample in paste - you control that | 18:26 |
| bknudson | from cachecontrol.cache import DictCache -- We're limiting to specific cachecontrol implementations? | 18:26 |
| gyee | nice! | 18:26 |
| ayoung | dstanek, if no param is passed, what do you get? | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i don't want to cache to file by default from a library | 18:26 |
| dstanek | bknudson: no, those are just shortcuts - you can pass in any object | 18:26 |
| dstanek | ayoung: no caching | 18:26 |
| bknudson | we could just tell them to use cachecontrol directly | 18:26 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I mean if called like this sess = session.Session(auth=auth, http_cache=caches.FileCache()) | 18:26 |
| dstanek | like jamielennox eluded to there are some adapter options that i'm not passing though that may be useful | 18:27 |
| dstanek | bknudson: they'd have to implement a crazy subclass like i do to get around us using a TCP adapter | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i'm sure we can come up with something, it's not as easy as i thought because we have the TCPAdapter with like socket timeout on it | 18:27 |
| bknudson | why do we have the TCP adapter? | 18:27 |
| dstanek | bknudson: it fixes a TCP keep alive bug | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | we're probably going to need to be able to share the cache between all threads in an apache instance, and all workers in an eventlet server, too | 18:28 |
| bknudson | I don't have a problem telling them they have to implement a crazy subclass. | 18:28 |
| dstanek | ayoung: that already works | 18:28 |
| dstanek | "them" is us in many cases | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dstanek, this is something we've needed for a long time. Nice. | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: how do you tie them together? i would have thought it was per session object | 18:29 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: the cache? | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | right | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | memcache backend or something? | 18:29 |
| dstanek | the filecache is a shared directory that uses file locking | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | ok, still filecache | 18:29 |
| ayoung | lets not memcache if we can avoid it. This should not go off system | 18:30 |
| dstanek | there are only 3 upstream backends a memory cache, a file cache and a redis cache | 18:30 |
| morgan_503 | yay no "memcache" | 18:30 |
| ayoung | will it play nicely with eventlet? | 18:30 |
| dstanek | and i'd love to see this eventually being automatic for users so things just get cached | 18:30 |
| dstanek | ayoung: it should yes | 18:30 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung: most things do... by accident, but they still do | 18:30 |
| morgan_503 | gevent is smart-ish | 18:31 |
| ayoung | memcache did not | 18:31 |
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| bknudson | hopefully I can cache my tokens in there | 18:31 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung: that is because of explicit thread.local and a horrrrrrrible library | 18:31 |
| gyee | bknudson, yes, its very safe | 18:31 |
| morgan_503 | you have to work hard to make it that bad | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: i definetly want people to opt-in to a cache, particularly one that is stored on a filesystem and will be reused between runs | 18:31 |
| dstanek | bknudson: if we are crazy enough to set the cache headers then sure! | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | it makes sense for the CLI and applications but not as a library | 18:31 |
| dstanek | i'll poke around osc some to see how much damage i can so there | 18:32 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung: and it used all FDs for the process, so an effective DOS but the cache was still stable/secure | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: pretty neat stuff dude | 18:32 |
| bknudson | so everything using the session gets this? | 18:32 |
| morgan_503 | #action dstanek to work with jamielennox and continue exploring this path. more work to be done before it's really ready to go | 18:32 |
| bknudson | not just keystone? | 18:32 |
| dstanek | i'm over time...closing thoughts? | 18:32 |
| morgan_503 | bknudson: correct anything using session can leverage this | 18:33 |
| dstanek | bknudson: yes | 18:33 |
| ayoung | so...what happens if we put a cache header on, say a user record, then we delete the record. Will the client library be smart enough to invalidate the cache? Of will we need a "ignore cache" switch for those case? | 18:33 |
| bknudson | seems like this should go to keystoneauth first | 18:33 |
| stevemar | dstanek: let me know if you need help on the osc side :) | 18:33 |
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| morgan_503 | ayoung: cache-control says you are allowed to keep that cache until expiry - regardless of server response | 18:33 |
| morgan_503 | so. | 18:33 |
| morgan_503 | don't put permissive cache control where you don't want it | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: a client would not ask for that until the local copy times out | 18:34 |
| dstanek | no way to flush it | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dstanek, so the workflow I'm doing is that I need to check if something is deleted... | 18:34 |
| morgan_503 | ok we're at time for this topic | 18:34 |
| dstanek | this is eventual consistency at it's best | 18:34 |
| ayoung | and there is no way except to busy wait. | 18:34 |
| dstanek | ayoung: why would you need to do that? | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: this just means we need to be smarter about what we send in our cache-control headers | 18:35 |
| morgan_503 | ayoung: don't put a cache-control header on those resources that allow it. | 18:35 |
| ayoung | So: delete router-interface...then check if it exists...sleep. check again | 18:35 |
| morgan_503 | then | 18:35 |
| bknudson | I think we should document how to do it yourself and also support that. | 18:35 |
| morgan_503 | you also can ignore cache-control as a client | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | i think most things won't be cacheable | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | usually, caching is what I want, but in those cases, its a user override...like hitting ctlr r in the browser | 18:35 |
| morgan_503 | you don't *have* to use it. | 18:35 |
| morgan_503 | clients can ignore caching at any point | 18:35 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: delete your local cache | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morgan_503, that is my question "how?" | 18:36 |
| morgan_503 | either delete the local cache or don't use a caching session | 18:36 |
| morgan_503 | or disable caching in the session for those requests | 18:36 |
| dstanek | ayoung: don't configure it on your sesson or delete local cache | 18:36 |
| ayoung | do I need to delete the whole cache just to force a requery on a single resource? | 18:36 |
| dstanek | ayoung: you'll have a hard time finding a single resource | 18:36 |
| dstanek | better to create an uncached session | 18:37 |
| morgan_503 | this still needs work | 18:37 |
| bknudson | did you look at other libraries for caching with requests? | 18:37 |
| morgan_503 | lets take this convo and impl details offline | 18:37 |
| morgan_503 | next topic. | 18:37 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: a few..that was a recommendation from sigmavirus24 | 18:37 |
| morgan_503 | #action dstanek to work with ayoung to ensure caching use-cases and cache avoidance for specific requests can occur | 18:38 |
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| morgan_503 | again, lets take the rest of this offline | 18:38 |
| morgan_503 | we have a few more big ticket topics to hit | 18:38 |
| morgan_503 | #topic X.509 Tokenless Authz needs a verdict | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "X.509 Tokenless Authz needs a verdict (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:38 | |
| morgan_503 | gyee: 12m max | 18:38 |
| gyee | so the patch's been independently tested by folks from Yahoo and Mirantis | 18:39 |
| ayoung | VOTE! | 18:39 |
| gyee | are there anything we can do at this point? | 18:39 |
| bknudson | what verdict is needed? isn't it just reviews? | 18:39 |
| morgan_503 | i'm fairly happy with the changes in general | 18:39 |
| ayoung | gyee, its experiemental and opt in, right? | 18:39 |
| gyee | ayoung, yes | 18:39 |
| breton | I have questions | 18:39 |
| morgan_503 | looks like it needs reviews.. and it needs ot be clearly marked expirimental | 18:39 |
| ayoung | lets do it | 18:39 |
| breton | related and unrelated to client side | 18:39 |
| gyee | breton, client side change will come, after this patch is landed on the server side | 18:40 |
| breton | 1. Is getting a catalog for the user? | 18:40 |
| gyee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156870/ | 18:40 |
| breton | ah. | 18:40 |
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| breton | *is getting a catalog for the user planned? | 18:40 |
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| morgan_503 | breton: if you're acting on keystone you don't need a catalog | 18:40 |
| bknudson | /v3/auth/catalog ? | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | gyee: every figure out service tokens? | 18:40 |
| morgan_503 | breton: if you get a token, you have a catalog | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | X-Service-token | 18:40 |
| morgan_503 | also /v3/auth/catalog ? | 18:40 |
| gyee | jamielennox, we'll need to support mapping on the client side | 18:41 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: mapping? | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | client side? | 18:41 |
| gyee | map a cert to auth context | 18:41 |
| morgan_503 | #action Cores: Please review code for tokenless auth (service users) | 18:42 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: the x509 tokenless auth work leverages the mapping engine from the federation code | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | gyee, stevemar: what does that have to do with client side/ | 18:42 |
| breton | I saw that Session already supports `cert` option | 18:42 |
| stevemar | gyee: what do you mean support mapping on the client side? the x509 specific mapping? or the ability to create a mapping from the client side? | 18:42 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: i dunno, that's what i'm wondering ;) | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | breton: yes it does but you'll need to handle the catalog so you're better off doing it as a auth plugin | 18:43 |
| breton | but they don't work with auth=None (keystoneclient/session.py, line 577, in _auth_required) | 18:43 |
| gyee | jamielennox, we'll need to be able to fetch a mapping from server to map the cert into auth context | 18:43 |
| morgan_503 | gyee: those words do no make sense | 18:43 |
| gyee | instead of token to auth context | 18:43 |
| breton | jamielennox: so, a kind of no-op plugin then? | 18:43 |
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| jamielennox | breton: you'll need to pass through the url for keystone, but mostly it'll be no-op | 18:43 |
| stevemar | gyee: i'm still confused | 18:44 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:44 |
| bknudson | service users are used for more than just auth_token. | 18:44 |
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| breton | gyee: I don't quite understand too | 18:44 |
| morgan_503 | gyee: if the service user needs a token, get a token via the cert | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | breton: there is also like get_connection_parameters from which you can set the cert from the plugin which is better | 18:44 |
| stevemar | bknudson: for bootstrapping! | 18:44 |
| gyee | morgan_503, sure, we can do that | 18:44 |
| breton | gyee: I almost make it work with minimal changes | 18:44 |
| morgan_503 | if the service user only talks to keystone don't need a token | 18:44 |
| morgan_503 | simple | 18:44 |
| bknudson | service users are used by neutron to send notifications to nova. | 18:44 |
| morgan_503 | this is opening doors for more options and moving away from tokens elsewhere as needed. | 18:44 |
| breton | to get a token via cert we need an auth plugin on ks side, no? | 18:44 |
| gyee | morgan_503, cert for token is supported without code changes | 18:44 |
| morgan_503 | so for now, don't try and grab mappings and such | 18:45 |
| morgan_503 | that is way way way way too complex | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | morgan_503: the X-Service-Token problem is for swift and others that expect you to pass the service that is calling this as well | 18:45 |
| morgan_503 | just get a token | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | morgan_503: in which case there is no token to pass on | 18:45 |
| gyee | morgan_503, sounds good | 18:45 |
| ayoung | moving away from tokens everywhere: http://adam.younglogic.com/2015/08/tokenless-keystone/ | 18:45 |
| morgan_503 | jamielennox: so get a token for now :) | 18:45 |
| morgan_503 | this is iterative | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | morgan_503: making x509 not useful for at least a couple of services | 18:45 |
| morgan_503 | it is still useful | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | and a growing list | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | but sure | 18:46 |
| bknudson | we're saying it's experimental now so if it doesn't work then we can stop supporting it | 18:46 |
| morgan_503 | it is also expirimental so changes can occur in mitaka | 18:46 |
| gyee | bknudson, its both experimental and optional | 18:46 |
| morgan_503 | in short: review code | 18:46 |
| ayoung | X Service token can be handled via a separate middleware and an X59 as well. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | doesn't invalidate this patch | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | don't try and make the client handle the mapping | 18:47 |
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| dstanek | morgan_503: ++ | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | provide a way for x509 to grab the token for x-service-token when needed *for now* | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | gyee: ^ work for you? | 18:47 |
| gyee | morgan_503, yes | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | (as in when sending x-service-token) | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | ok | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | cool | 18:47 |
| morgan_503 | #topic Bug 1482701 - Federation: user's name in rules not respected | 18:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482701 in keystone "Federation: user's name in rules not respected" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482701 | 18:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug 1482701 - Federation: user's name in rules not respected (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:48 | |
| gyee | like I said, it works now, just matter of documenting it | 18:48 |
| openstack | bug 1482701 in Keystone "Federation: user's name in rules not respected" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482701 - Assigned to Marek Denis (marek-denis) | 18:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482701 in keystone "Federation: user's name in rules not respected" [Medium,In progress] | 18:48 |
| morgan_503 | if we have time there is one more topic after this | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | so marekd opened up this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1482701) which is something that is reproducible with UUID tokens and Fernet. The issue is that when the federated user name and id are different, the federated name isn't respected. | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | he has a review up for fixing the UUID case - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211093/ | 18:48 |
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| lbragstad | but for Fernet and federated workflows, we have two options | 18:48 |
| ayoung | define "respected" here? | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | workaround the user id and username issue by making them the same, or persist the user name in the token format with the user id | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone have an issue seeing the user name go into the token? | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | marekd: feel free to elaborate on it a bit more | 18:49 |
| bknudson | the bug doesn't say what the response was supposed to be. | 18:50 |
| morgan_503 | lbragstad: i really want less "name" data in tokens. | 18:50 |
| morgan_503 | lbragstad: to be frank | 18:50 |
| ayoung | is this because we don't have the data to feed through the mapping rules a second time? | 18:50 |
| morgan_503 | lbragstad: i would rather move towards ids only if at all possible | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | I believe what marekd means by "respected" is that the mapping doesn't honor the user name | 18:50 |
| ayoung | I think the mapping sets it, and then it is dropped, if I read it correctly | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | morgan_503: horizon uses user_name for display | 18:51 |
| morgan_503 | but federation is always a magic case | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | or doesn't match a mapping *if* it is different from the user id | 18:51 |
| morgan_503 | jamielennox: and i disagree with that being "in the token" ;) but thats aside | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | which is weird because i've definetly correctly mapped through a name such that it appears correctly in horizon | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | I don't really care to bloat the token | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | s/care/want/ | 18:51 |
| morgan_503 | lbragstad: username should be in the token already iirc | 18:52 |
| morgan_503 | just maybe not in fernet's ... thing? | 18:52 |
| morgan_503 | uhmm payload | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | so what's the issue with this just being a bug and fixing it? | 18:52 |
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| morgan_503 | this is another "federation is special" case | 18:52 |
| morgan_503 | looks like a bug to me | 18:52 |
| ayoung | when you repopulate the token, you don't have the original assertion | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/token/providers/fernet/token_formatters.py#L532-L533 | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | username isn't in there | 18:52 |
| morgan_503 | so for the fernet payload, put it in for federated tokens | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | oh - right this is a fernet thing | 18:53 |
| morgan_503 | we know federated tokens are special anyway | 18:53 |
| morgan_503 | but don't put it in for all fernet tokens | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | morgan_503: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/token/providers/common.py#L569 | 18:53 |
| morgan_503 | just the federated case | 18:53 |
| morgan_503 | ugh | 18:53 |
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| morgan_503 | it's fine to use a friendly name in the federated fernet | 18:53 |
| morgan_503 | just don't bloat the token in all cases. | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | it may be for fernet and federation we need to store like a visited_users table or something, we already have groups we need in addition | 18:54 |
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| morgan_503 | just like groups are used specially for federated | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | not this cycle | 18:54 |
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| lbragstad | ok, so this would only concern federated payload (unscoped, domain-scoped, and project-scoped) | 18:54 |
| morgan_503 | since fernet token payloads can be changed as needed | 18:54 |
| morgan_503 | no contract | 18:54 |
| morgan_503 | we can change this next cycle as needed | 18:54 |
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| morgan_503 | or even if we have a better idea this cycle | 18:54 |
| morgan_503 | yay opaque payloads we control :) | 18:55 |
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| morgan_503 | it's a bug, fix it :) | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | ok, so we are fine with including the user name in the federated payloads as long as it doesn't effect other payloads | 18:55 |
| * morgan_503 says yes. | 18:55 | |
| lbragstad | ok, i'll leave a comment | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | on the bug report | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | that's all I neede d | 18:55 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, short answer is that if the user data is important to record, we should record it. | 18:56 |
| morgan_503 | #topic lhcheng's bug for end_point filtering | 18:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "lhcheng's bug for end_point filtering (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:56 | |
| morgan_503 | lhcheng: o/ | 18:56 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:56 |
| ayoung | shadow table style, like the ID mapping. probably should create an epehmeral user record | 18:56 |
| lhcheng | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1482772 | 18:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482772 in python-openstackclient "Region filtering for endpoints does not work" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Lin Hua Cheng (lin-hua-cheng) | 18:56 |
| morgan_503 | you have ~3m | 18:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482772 in python-openstackclient "Region filtering for endpoints does not work" [Undecided,New] | 18:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1482772 in python-openstackclient "Region filtering for endpoints does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482772 | 18:56 |
| lhcheng | region is an available filter for List Endpoint in ksc and osc | 18:56 |
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| lhcheng | however our documentation doesn't seemt to have it | 18:56 |
| lhcheng | dolphm suggest to just add the support for the region filter, since it could be useful anyway | 18:57 |
| morgan_503 | this looks like a no-spec required (minor API doc change needed) and a bug | 18:57 |
| lhcheng | are folks okay with no-spec? | 18:57 |
| gyee | we have region in endpoint group filter :) | 18:57 |
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| morgan_503 | i'm fine with it being no-spec | 18:57 |
| ayoung | add to documentation. Behavior is good, no spec. | 18:57 |
| gyee | same here | 18:57 |
| bknudson | you'll need to change the api spec | 18:57 |
| morgan_503 | anyone have concerns before we end the meeting? | 18:57 |
| lhcheng | bknudson: yup, I'll start with updating the api spec | 18:57 |
| morgan_503 | bknudson: yeah the api doc needs an update but this looks like an oversight not really a "need a formal spec/bp" thing | 18:57 |
| morgan_503 | lhcheng: make sure the api-doc change is partial-bug tagged | 18:58 |
| bknudson | the spec itself wouldn't be interesting anyways | 18:58 |
| morgan_503 | exactly | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | yes, I agree with just api change spec, not formal spec with proposed solution, problem description etc | 18:58 |
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| morgan_503 | ok annnnnd we're done | 18:58 |
| lhcheng | morgan_503: got it | 18:58 |
| morgan_503 | out of time | 18:58 |
| morgan_503 | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 18:58:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-08-11-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| lhcheng | thanks morgan_503 | 18:58 |
| stevemar | \o/ | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-08-11-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-08-11-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
| bknudson | thanks | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:58 |
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| morgan_503 | and we hit every topic this week | 18:59 |
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| morgan_503 | stevemar: mind cleaning up our wiki page for next meeting? i need to run to lunch | 18:59 |
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| haneef | #openstack-keystone | 19:00 |
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| gyee | do it | 19:01 |
| stevemar | morgan_503: sure | 19:01 |
| fungi | jeblair: mordred: clarkb: pleia2: SergeyLukjanov: jhesketh: anyone around for a meeting? | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | yep! | 19:02 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:02 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:02 |
| taron | o/ | 19:02 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:02 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:02 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:02 |
| Zara | o/ from storyboard! | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | (the silence is broken!) | 19:02 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 19:02 |
| Shrews | oh hai | 19:02 |
| clarkb | hi | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 19:02:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-08-04-19.03.html | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| jeblair | so, i forgot this topic last meeting | 19:02 |
| jeblair | and we had a bunch | 19:03 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | pleia2 provide swift log upload traceback | 19:03 |
| jeblair | jhesketh update os-loganalyze to use pass-through rules | 19:03 |
| jeblair | jhesketh/clarkb have os-loganalyze generate indexes for directories which lack them | 19:03 |
| jeblair | those 3 all seem related; anyone know if they happened? | 19:03 |
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| fungi | i think the pass-through merged a few hours ago? | 19:03 |
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| * fungi finds it | 19:04 | |
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| clarkb | pass through is in | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | needs checking can use coverage for that | 19:04 |
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| mrmartin | o/ | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | cool | 19:04 |
| clarkb | jhesketh was talking to notmyname about doing listingd for index gen not sure if patvh is up yet | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/208767 | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | i don't see anything likely for indexes | 19:05 |
| jeblair | ianw update yum dib element to support disabling cache cleanup | 19:06 |
| jeblair | anyone know the status on that one? | 19:06 |
| greghaynes | There are some dib patches up | 19:06 |
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| fungi | Clint was working on something related too, though f22 specific i think | 19:06 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211434/1 | 19:07 |
| fungi | no, my bad. that was pabelanger | 19:07 |
| * fungi has no idea why he mixed them up | 19:07 | |
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| * Clint shrugs. | 19:07 | |
| jeblair | cool | 19:07 |
| jeblair | mordred investigate problem uploading images to rax | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | ya. I have some dib stuff up for fedora 22. Around dnf and such. But the changes are not in diskimage-builder, but system-config right now | 19:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: that seems to juts be owrking now | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: not sure if mordred did anything to it | 19:08 |
| pabelanger | I can review ianw work too | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: okiedokie :) | 19:08 |
| fungi | yeah, we're getting fairly consistent uploads to rax now, i think. double-checking | 19:08 |
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| fungi | well, maybe. we have uploads from today and a week ago | 19:09 |
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| fungi | so mayhaps not | 19:09 |
| jeblair | :/ | 19:10 |
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| greghaynes | The other issue in that vain (nodepool dib working) is rootfs resizing currently isnt working for those nodes | 19:10 |
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| greghaynes | s/vain/vein | 19:11 |
| greghaynes | I havent had time to get that fully fixed in dib :( | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer add beaker jobs to modules | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | in review | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208799/ | 19:12 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:12 |
| jeblair | nibalizer make openstackci beaker voting if it's working (we think it is) | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: asked tha twe start with one before exploding so thats why that looks a little weird | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | also in review | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208631/ | 19:12 |
| jeblair | and | 19:13 |
| jeblair | nibalizer create first in-tree hiera patchset | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206779/ | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | also in review :) | 19:13 |
| jeblair | w00t | 19:13 |
| jeblair | jeblair write message to openstack-dev with overall context for stackforge retirement/move | 19:13 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: I do like to see a new job building first, thanks | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | i wrote this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/3GYKL57APR | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | will send it later today | 19:14 |
| jeblair | jeblair start discussion thread about logistics of repo moves | 19:14 |
| jeblair | i'll start that after sending the first message | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | #topic Specs approval | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | we don't have any on the agenda today | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | i'll just note that i merged this: | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #info greghaynes primary assignee on nodepool workers spec | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #link nodepool workers spec https://review.openstack.org/208442 | 19:15 |
| jeblair | since greghaynes volunteered to take on an unassigned spec | 19:15 |
| jeblair | yay! :) | 19:15 |
| anteaya | thanks greghaynes | 19:15 |
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| greghaynes | :) note the gerrit topic | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | reviews welcome | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | i also pushed up this change to specify zuulv3 would happen in branches on nodepool and zuul: | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #link specify branch-based development for zuulv3 https://review.openstack.org/211687 | 19:16 |
| jeblair | which we discussed briefly last week | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | and finally, i've proposed we make maniphest a priority effort: | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #link add maniphest to priority efforts https://review.openstack.org/211690 | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | we should probably get formal votes on that | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | #link voting on maniphest priority effort open until 2015-08-13 1900 UTC | 19:18 |
| jeblair | er | 19:18 |
| fungi | completely agree | 19:18 |
| jeblair | #undo | 19:18 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xa3b63d0> | 19:18 |
| jeblair | #info voting on maniphest priority effort open until 2015-08-13 1900 UTC | 19:19 |
| jeblair | #link add maniphest to priority efforts https://review.openstack.org/211690 | 19:19 |
| jeblair | just for good measure | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | #topic Restore from backup test (jeblair) | 19:20 |
| anteaya | I'm out, weather is bad | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | anyone want to take this on? | 19:20 |
| jasondotstar | take on the issue, or take on talking about it here in the mtg? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I hear greghaynes typing so maybe he does | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | I wish :( too many things ATM | 19:21 |
| jeblair | take on the issue | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: gotcha | 19:21 |
| jasondotstar | I'm new. Looking for a challenge.... sounds fair :-) | 19:21 |
| jasondotstar | what's this entail? | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | Any info on how it would work? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | I would except babies and I am one of the two people that I think has attempted it in the past | 19:21 |
| jeblair | we need someone to write up a plan (could be anyone), and a root member to execute it | 19:22 |
| clarkb | and jeblair wanted new eyes on it iirc | 19:22 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: we talked about it a little at the last meeting | 19:22 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: but i think mostly what needs to happen first is to decide what it is we want to verify and how to go about it | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | okay. I mean, I can look around and see what is needed. If nobody else has the time | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #link backup documentation http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/sysadmin.html#backups | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | Yep, I think the consensus meeting was to do a one time backup restore test to information gather on what all we would need | 19:24 |
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| greghaynes | er, the consensus last meeting | 19:24 |
| fungi | pabelanger: jasondotstar: i'm happy to work with either or both of you on it | 19:24 |
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| pabelanger | okay. Add my name to the list. I don | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | 't mind look into it | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | looking* | 19:24 |
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| jasondotstar | same here. | 19:24 |
| fungi | we seem to be down a few root admins for today's meeting, which is probably not helping the volunteering | 19:24 |
| jeblair | #action pabelanger,jasondotstar look into restore-from-backup testing | 19:25 |
| jasondotstar | pabelanger: if you want to take point that's cool. this will help me get my feet wet | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | sure | 19:25 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, less than half of us are here today? | 19:25 |
| fungi | seems that way | 19:25 |
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| jasondotstar | pabelanger: cool | 19:25 |
| jeblair | ah, august | 19:25 |
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| fungi | i wouldn't have picked this time of year to buy and move into a house, but at least i'm coming out the other end of that timesink now | 19:26 |
| jeblair | anyway, this is something that will benefit from new eyes, so cool. | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #topic Fedora 22 snapshots and / or DIBs feedback (pabelanger) | 19:26 |
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| pabelanger | ohai | 19:26 |
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| pabelanger | so, thanks to the help of people here. We can acually provision a jenkins node using fedora 22 (which is puppet4). | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | our first use of puppet4? :) | 19:27 |
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| pabelanger | So, my questions are more for root admins about how to get fedora22 actually running. Questions are if we can use snapshots or continue work on dibs | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | I have a few reviews up for cache_devstack and could use some eyes | 19:28 |
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| pabelanger | the downside with snapshots, hpcloud doesn't have fedora22 images | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | not sure what is required to add them | 19:28 |
| jeblair | i'd like to push on dibs if possible | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | as for DIBs, well I think people know the state of it | 19:29 |
| fungi | it would probably entail in-place upgrade of a f21 image to f22, if that's somethinf fedora can do (i may be showing my debian derivative bias here) | 19:29 |
| nibalizer | I'm dubious that we should be running Puppet4 on one random machine | 19:29 |
| fungi | the snapshots would, i mean | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: is there a way to run puppet3? | 19:29 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: I haven't verfied, but yes there should be | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | so, my question about dibs is. What would be a reasonible timeframe to get dibs all working? | 19:30 |
| fungi | but yes, i think adding new snapshot images goes against the "when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging" adage | 19:30 |
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| crinkle | puppetlabs doesn't package puppet for fedora 22 yet, which implies they're not testing on fedora 22 yet, so i would be wary of trying to run it | 19:30 |
| crinkle | moreover fedora is packaging it completely differently than puppetlabs will be | 19:31 |
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| nibalizer | the puppet4 support comes from fedora/epel repos I guess | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: frankly, i don't think we can really set that. so much of the nodepool dib work seems to be blocked on mordred who is not around | 19:31 |
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| nibalizer | ya so the two organizations that would package puppet4 are going about it different ways | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | right, the main reason for this, is some downstream teams that would require fedora22. Even puppet bits | 19:31 |
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| pabelanger | plus, some efforts for projects pulling in newer libs | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | which means its not really stable yet | 19:32 |
| pabelanger | I agree puppet 4 is new, however if puppet 3 is required. We could do what the puppet openstack team does and uninstall puppet a job launch, and setup a gem | 19:32 |
| jeblair | what do you mean by this: 19:32 < pabelanger> plus, some efforts for projects pulling in newer libs | 19:32 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: my understanding. A few teams at RedHat are wanting bleeding edge packages for experimental support | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | not 100%, just head rumblings | 19:33 |
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| pabelanger | heard* | 19:33 |
| jeblair | k | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | /stupid keyboard | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | regarding puppet3/4 -- we don't run much puppet on these nodes, and we want to run even less in the future; i'd prefer to use the same puppet from the puppetlabs repo, but if that's not possible, i'm not too worried about using puppet4 here | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | if we can finish the dib work, we can start on that effort in earnest | 19:35 |
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| fungi | yeah, it's local puppet apply, no remote/puppetmaster involvement at all | 19:35 |
| nibalizer | ya really for the provisioning step, puppet3 vs puppet4 we won't feel much of a difference | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | I owuld reccomend we write the 10 lines of shell to get the puppetlabs repo in place and just use puppet3 | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | especially since I'm the one who will be getting pinged because puppet4 did something stupid | 19:36 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: er, i thought it wasn't an option? | 19:36 |
| * jeblair is confused | 19:36 | |
| crinkle | nibalizer: puppetlabs doesn't package for fedora 22 yet | 19:36 |
| crinkle | http://yum.puppetlabs.com/ | 19:37 |
| crinkle | either 3 or 4 | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: jeblair so gem install puppet --version=3 or something | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | or add the f21 packages :) | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | thaght might be my debian showing | 19:37 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: pabelanger seems to be saying that this is working now; is it worth doing more work for that? | 19:38 |
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| pabelanger | Ya, fedora 22 is working with -infra puppet modules | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | probably not | 19:38 |
| nibalizer | so yea we can just go with puppet4 | 19:39 |
| jeblair | so maybe we try this out, and if we keep shooting ourselves in the foot, then invest in puppet3ifying it? | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | so much so, I want to get a puppet apply test node going to make sure we are gating on changes for puppet 4 | 19:39 |
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| nibalizer | ya thats a decent idea | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | even if non-voting | 19:40 |
| nibalizer | trusty/precise though, since we don't run any services on f22 | 19:40 |
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| nibalizer | but f22 nodes, once available wont hurt | 19:41 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: we do run the slave template through the apply test, so that at least can run on f22 | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: got your questions more or less answered? | 19:41 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: so, Fedora 22 dibs? Drop snapshot? | 19:42 |
| jeblair | i think so; it's work either way, and at least this way we're all focused on the same probs | 19:42 |
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| fungi | worst case, while f22 images are experimental we can get by with only having them in hpcloud | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | okay | 19:43 |
| fungi | and continue working on getting red hat based systems working with glean | 19:43 |
| fungi | whatever the blocker is there at the moment | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | Right, I haven't even tried fedora22 with uploading yet | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | so, not sure what will happen | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | either way, will continue hacking away on it | 19:44 |
| jeblair | thanks! | 19:45 |
| jeblair | #topic puppet-pip vs puppet-python (rcarrillocruz) | 19:45 |
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| nibalizer | right so pip is installed from install_puppet.sh then unmanaged by puppet modules | 19:45 |
| yolanda | we found this problem downstream, were puppet and pip are not installed in that way for some cases | 19:45 |
| yolanda | we were relying on puppet-pip that doesn't do what it promises | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | in what case does install_puppet.sh not get run? | 19:46 |
| yolanda | infra-ansible for example | 19:46 |
| yolanda | it's not a part of the automation itself, so right now is just a manual step that is not related to the automation | 19:46 |
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| fungi | nibalizer: downstream consumers of our puppet modules not provisioning systems the way we do | 19:46 |
| clarkb | whats infra-ansible? | 19:47 |
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| yolanda | clarkb, is a project we have downstream, to automate a whole infra | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ok, couldn't you have it run install_puppet.sh? | 19:47 |
| jeblair | why is this downstream? | 19:47 |
| fungi | basically "getting pip installed on your server" is an exercise left to the reader for puppet modules where we use the pip package provider | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | fungi: in my mind i completely agree with you | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: isn't that one of our highest priority efforts we're supposed to be working on together upstream? | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | if you want to use infra modules you need a couple prereqs such as puppet and pip | 19:48 |
| yolanda | jeblair, we are | 19:48 |
| nibalizer | we could do better about listing whats needed 'before you begin' | 19:48 |
| yolanda | it's on github at the moment, in development process | 19:48 |
| jeblair | yolanda: no, that's not how we work | 19:48 |
| yolanda | jeblair why do you say that? | 19:48 |
| * fungi notes that "on github" is not "working upstream" | 19:49 | |
| jeblair | we don't work by doing things off in the corner on github | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | I am in favor of using an upstream puppet module for this | 19:49 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think the premise is flawed | 19:49 |
| yolanda | jeblair but we cannot work all the time by proposing upstream specs and waiting for approval | 19:49 |
| yolanda | because we simply don't have the time | 19:50 |
| yolanda | so in some cases we need to cook some things downstream then try to reuse | 19:50 |
| jeblair | yolanda: i'm sorry you feel that way. i could not disagree more about that, and the way you are dealing with it. | 19:50 |
| jeblair | let's move on to another topic. | 19:50 |
| jeblair | #topic Nodepool REST API spec (rcarrillocruz) | 19:50 |
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| yolanda | that has been pending review for long time | 19:51 |
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| yolanda | so Ricky needed some reviews to move it forward | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | it looks like it could use some more elaboration and agreement | 19:52 |
| fungi | link? | 19:52 |
| jeblair | particularly the keystone thing seems vague | 19:52 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/141016 | 19:52 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:52 |
| jeblair | so, someone who actually knows something about keystone, and its suitability here should probably weigh in on that | 19:53 |
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| pabelanger | I can. I wrote something using both pecan and keystone last year. And can see how it would work | 19:53 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: cool, thanks | 19:54 |
| fungi | i do worry a little about tying nodepool to keystone, but i'll save my comments for the spec | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | fungi: ya, it would be optional and easy to disable. | 19:55 |
| pabelanger | or easy to enable ;) | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | that would seem to imply that in order to use this, you need to have a cloud account on one or more or all providers | 19:55 |
| jeblair | and i don't really understand how that fits with the nodepool usage model | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | or why we would assume that would be the case | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | or, it looks like mordred suggested we could run a keystone specifically for this | 19:56 |
| jeblair | which sounds heavyweight, but what do i know | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | that sounds ... like a lot of work | 19:56 |
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| yolanda | i'd prefer to keep it simple really | 19:56 |
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| fungi | i must have mis-skimmed it because i thought it was more like treating nodepoold as a rest server in an existing cloud environment (similar to nova, glance, et cetera) | 19:56 |
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| pabelanger | That's what I assumed | 19:57 |
| fungi | where the only benefit was not having to use some not-from-openstack authentication mechanism | 19:57 |
| jeblair | there is also very little indication of why it's needed. nodepool is designed to have no user interface | 19:57 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, it's one of the most important features needed for downstream consumption | 19:58 |
| yolanda | on our daily basis, users are requesting to hold nodes all the time to debug issues | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: the spec should probably mention that | 19:58 |
| fungi | a proof of concept using http basic auth would probably get us most of the way and then you could fairly easily add other auth mechanisms supported by apache | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: right, so there's a use case that should be described, and then we can elucidate requirements from that | 19:59 |
| yolanda | jeblair, can you note it on the review? not mine | 19:59 |
| * fungi will add notes too | 19:59 | |
| jeblair | for instance, it sounds like a simple http access credential might suffice | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: of course... it was proposed as a meeting topic though. ;) | 19:59 |
| pabelanger | IIRC, pecan already supports hooks into keystoneclient. Which makes the integration into keystone that much easier | 20:00 |
| yolanda | yes, and great to be talking about it. So the most important need is autohold of nodes but having some way to interact with nodepool features sounds like a good idea to me | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | time is up; thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 20:00:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-08-11-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-08-11-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-08-11-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 20:05 |
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| * edleafe wonders if there is a TC meeting today | 20:06 | |
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| dhellmann | we agreed last week we would skip a meeting this week, unless someone had some pressing business, since ttx is ooo this week | 20:08 |
| mestery | FYI, next meeting is next week: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Thanks dhellmann | 20:08 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: thanks | 20:09 |
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| mestery | courtesy ping PTLs: adrian_otto boris-42 bswartz david-lyle devananda dims dtroyer emilienm flaper87 gordc hyakuhei isviridov | 21:00 |
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| mestery | courtesy ping PTLs: j^2 jeblair johnthetubaguy kiall loquacities mestery morganfainberg mtreinish nikhil_k notmyname rakhmerov | 21:00 |
| mestery | courtesy ping PTLs: redrobot SergeyLukjanov slagle SlickNik smelikyan stevebaker thingee thinrichs ttx | 21:00 |
| mestery | Cross Project meeting starting: ETA 1 minute | 21:00 |
| thingee | o. | 21:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 21:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 21:00 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 11 21:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| tpatil | Hi | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 21:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting Agenda | 21:01 |
| loquacities | o/ | 21:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 21:01 |
| boris-42 | hi | 21:01 |
| mestery | Looks like a fair bit of carry over from last week and some Open Discussion is in order for today | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 21:01 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | #info Meeting Chairs needed for September 1, September 29, and October 13 | 21:02 |
| mestery | Signups appreciated! | 21:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #topic Horizontal Team Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | Anyone have anything today? | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:03 |
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| david-lyle | just here, nothing to add | 21:03 |
| mestery | david-lyle: :) | 21:03 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 21:03 |
| Rockyg | how about a reminder of the ops midcycle next week? | 21:03 |
| mestery | Rockyg: Please, #info it! :) | 21:04 |
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| Rockyg | OK, lemme get the info again... | 21:04 |
| mestery | Rockyg: Thank you | 21:04 |
| mestery | Rockyg: I believe it's next week, but would be great to get it officially into here :) | 21:04 |
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| mestery | OK, while we wait for Rockyg, lets move on in the agenda | 21:05 |
| Rockyg | ok. There's also the Product wg right after. I'm on that page, so that one first... | 21:05 |
| * mestery waits | 21:05 | |
| Rockyg | ok. There's also the Product wg right after. I'm on that page, so that one first...WG midcycle 8/20-21 at Cisco, San Jose | 21:06 |
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| Rockyg | link to etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 21:06 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 21:06 |
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| mestery | OK, now lets keep rolling | 21:07 |
| mestery | #topic API Guildelines Ready for Final Review | 21:07 |
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| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071791.html More Details Here | 21:07 |
| Rockyg | #info Operatortor Midcyle: 8/18-19 in Palo Alto, CA | 21:07 |
| elmiko | not much to say here, please review =) | 21:07 |
| mestery | elmiko: lol :) | 21:08 |
| mestery | elmiko: I'll add the links at least | 21:08 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186526/ | 21:08 |
| elmiko | i think 21 of these is a rework that got passed back after the first go around | 21:08 |
| elmiko | er 1 | 21:08 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181912/ | 21:08 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181784/ | 21:08 |
| elmiko | thanks mestery ! | 21:08 |
| mestery | elmiko: No worries. | 21:08 |
| mestery | #info Review of these is encouraged by all cross project people! | 21:08 |
| Rockyg | Thanks elmiko and mestery | 21:08 |
| mestery | Any other comments on these API reviews by anyone? | 21:09 |
| elmiko | they are planned to merge next tuesday, aug 18 if no comments are received by then | 21:09 |
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| mestery | #info These API reviews are expected to merge by August 18 if no comments are received by then | 21:10 |
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| mestery | Thanks elmiko! | 21:10 |
| mestery | Moving along in the agenda | 21:10 |
| mestery | #topic Return request-id to caller | 21:10 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/156508 | 21:10 |
| tpatil | As per Doug's suggestion we have subclassed tuple and it’s possible to store request_ids in tuple object | 21:10 |
| mestery | I believe this was discussed last week, the spec is still open | 21:10 |
| mestery | tpatil: Very nice! | 21:10 |
| tpatil | Also, we have fixed all Brant’s review comments and uploaded new PS for review | 21:10 |
| tpatil | For consistency purpose request_ids attribute of type “list” is added to all types of return values | 21:11 |
| mestery | tpatil: I see that, nice work | 21:11 |
| tpatil | Another question | 21:11 |
| tpatil | In the last meeting, there was discussion to mark oslo-incubator as private | 21:11 |
| tpatil | I want to understand what changes are required for marking oslo-incubator.openstack as private | 21:11 |
| tpatil | for example, when syncing oslo-incubator.openstack with python-glanceclient, it should be synced as glance client._openstack and wherever python modules from openstack package are imported it should be refactored to the new path. correct? | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: thats what I remember folks suggesting | 21:12 |
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| tpatil | ok | 21:12 |
| tpatil | So, these changes needs to be done in all python-*clients using oslo-incubator/openstack code which seems to be a big activity. | 21:12 |
| tpatil | IMO, these changes should be done in a separate new blueprint or should we include these changes in our specs? | 21:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the key bit was so python-*client users didn't think that stuff was a stable interface by accident | 21:12 |
| mestery | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: its maybe worth adding in the spec, as its how this common code will get imported, so it feels part of the same effort | 21:13 |
| tpatil | johnthetubaguy: OK, we will add it to the specs then | 21:13 |
| mestery | Awesome | 21:14 |
| tpatil | That's all I wanted to update at this point | 21:14 |
| mestery | Thanks tpatil! | 21:14 |
| mestery | And that brings us to | 21:14 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:14 |
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| * mestery thinks we may finish this meeting in record time today | 21:14 | |
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| kfox1111 | I've got 2. | 21:14 |
| mestery | kfox1111: Shoot! | 21:14 |
| kfox1111 | one's quick. Please review: | 21:15 |
| kfox1111 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186617 | 21:15 |
| kfox1111 | could use more eyes, and it seems dead in the water. | 21:15 |
| kfox1111 | number 2. | 21:15 |
| kfox1111 | Question for the individual ptl's out there. I'm working on the app-catalog project, trying to increase the contributions. Its been hard due to lack of features from a lot of the individual projects. | 21:15 |
| kfox1111 | Reviews seems to be one of the main capitals in OpenStack, but the number of reviews seems to only count within a project? How does one gain capital to get faster reviews when your time is spend fixing issues across lots of different projects? | 21:15 |
| mestery | kfox1111: Excellent question | 21:15 |
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| kfox1111 | don't need an answer right now. just something to think about. :/ | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: we are totally not doing many nova-spec reviews right now, we are focused on code reviews right now | 21:16 |
| mestery | kfox1111: One way is by building that capital with people who cross between projects (if that makes sense) | 21:16 |
| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: Yeah, I realize that. Not singling out nova in particular. there's other cases. | 21:17 |
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| mestery | kfox1111: But I see your point with the challenges of working across this | 21:17 |
| kfox1111 | mestery: ah. interesting. | 21:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: its no worries, just right we are generally ignoring everyone, so its not personal as such | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cross project stuff is hard right now | 21:18 |
| kfox1111 | for example, unit testing. each project requires it for a patch, and each does it diferently, and worse, each has changing requirements not documented in existing code. so you copy an existing test, tweak it, and its not acceptable usually. | 21:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | this meeting is the place to get traction I guess | 21:18 |
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| mestery | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 21:19 |
| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: Yeah. understood. just wanted to raise the topic so we could think about how to make it easier to deail with features that need to cross projects. | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: yeah, I think we agreed on mock vs mox in a cross project sense, was that what you mean? | 21:19 |
| gordc | kfox1111: what are you doing that spans different projects? | 21:19 |
| elmiko | i've had the best success reaching out to projects individually, usually by pestering people in irc. it's very time consuming though | 21:20 |
| gordc | i'd say getting buy in from individual projects hopefully gets you a resource there to either help or guide you. | 21:20 |
| kfox1111 | gordc: trying to smooth off the rough edges between projects so you can write generic heat templates for example. | 21:20 |
| kfox1111 | right now, its very difficult to make a truely cloud scale app that is generic enough to put in the app catalog. | 21:20 |
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| kfox1111 | part of the problem is, most projects push back and say "why is it our projects issue" its the users problem. | 21:21 |
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| kfox1111 | the problems tend to exist in the bounderies between projects when you use them together. | 21:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: so this will sound familiar, but did we ever got to the bottom of the discussion with keystone about the instance user thing, I remember discussing this late one day in IRC | 21:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: honestly, I think adhoc meeting between all the parties in IRC is the way forward with this | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | but adhoc, I mean arranged by email | 21:22 |
| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: I think the barbican/keystone folks are on board with the current spec. I think its the nova freeeze that's stalled it now. | 21:22 |
| mestery | One suggestion is to try and put these types of things on the cross-project meeting agenda | 21:22 |
| mestery | And make sure it's early enough so it's announced | 21:22 |
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| mestery | Also, johnthetubaguy's idea is good as well | 21:23 |
| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: yeah. could be. or the summit. I'm still trying to arange to get there. | 21:23 |
| kfox1111 | mestery: Ok. sounds good. | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: the summit is often the best way, but its best to have the discussion started before then anyways, we are getting there | 21:23 |
| Rockyg | kfox1111, if it's a user issue, maybe you can have a usercommittee slot in the summit, but grab project devs | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: to be clear, there is no freeze on specs right now, mitaka has been open for a week or two now, just we don't have anyone who is free to review the specs | 21:24 |
| kfox1111 | Rockyg: sounds doable. Part of the issue too is definitions. In my world, cloud application developer != user. while in most openstack projects they are treated the same. And that's lead to some issues. | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: thats in the nova sense, and I know thats not very helpful right now :( | 21:24 |
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| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: thats an ugly situation. :( I understand though. | 21:25 |
| Rockyg | kfox1111, this could also be good for the Ops "burining Issues" session at the midcycle. That tends to get devs' attention | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: we need more reviews, if you spot any hanging around, do send them my way :) | 21:25 |
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| kfox1111 | Rockyg: hmm.. good idea. thanks. | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean reviewers | 21:25 |
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| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: will do. :) | 21:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: I think the key issue was mapping the per instance cert to some user, I need to sync up to work out where that got to | 21:26 |
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| kfox1111 | johnthetubaguy: I think that parts all done. I think the outstanding issue | 21:27 |
| kfox1111 | is how to verify the vm is the one that should get the cert. | 21:27 |
| kfox1111 | in the most recent iterations, that changed a lot. :/ | 21:27 |
| kfox1111 | I'd really like nova's perspective on that bit. since it was influenced by nova's reviewers a lot once they finally started reviewing. | 21:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: yeah, we don't really have anything to do that in Nova right now | 21:28 |
| kfox1111 | can we prioritize it for when reviewers free up? :) | 21:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: so in all honesty, all my reviewer are likely to be slammed until liberty-3 is tagged, at this point, at that point I hope to assign priorities to specs, this is an important ish one (medium ish) | 21:29 |
| kfox1111 | ok. good enough. Thanks. :) | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: remind me I said that the week after liberty-3! | 21:30 |
| * kfox1111 chuckles | 21:30 | |
| kfox1111 | will do. :) | 21:30 |
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| Rockyg | Speaking of liberty-3 and deadlines and foci, I wanted to remind PTLs and other dev types of the China Bugfest next week. | 21:31 |
| mestery | #info China Bugfest is next week, reminder for PTLs for reviews | 21:31 |
| mestery | Thanks Rockyg | 21:31 |
| Rockyg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2015_8_Prc_Hackthon | 21:32 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2015_8_Prc_Hackthon | 21:32 |
| Rockyg | That etherpad also has space for a list of bugs you want them to focus on. Hint, hint | 21:32 |
| mestery | Thanks Rockyg! | 21:32 |
| mestery | Anything else this week from anyone before we close up shop? | 21:33 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 21:34 |
| mestery | See you all next week! | 21:34 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 21:34:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-08-11-21.01.html | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-08-11-21.01.txt | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-08-11-21.01.log.html | 21:34 |
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| elmiko | thanks mestery | 21:34 |
| Rockyg | Thanks mestery and everyone else! | 21:34 |
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