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| loquacities | indeed | 00:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info the "weighter" discussion appeared in the mailing list, with further clarification on verb and noun forms. | 00:00 |
| loquacities | oh, yeah | 00:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | i really dont get that | 00:00 |
| loquacities | i know i've had this discussion before, and i'm really trying to remember where so i can look up the resolution | 00:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | in all other technical stuff its called 'weight' | 00:01 |
| loquacities | but, really, the easiest thing is to stick with what's in the code | 00:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | and you work the wording so it does not use 'weighter' | 00:01 |
| loquacities | i'm fairly certain 'weighter' is the most common | 00:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, The sentence construction can work around the word use, that's right. | 00:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, not in networking circles at least | 00:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | but whatev, no big deal, as long as its a real word | 00:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | and used properly | 00:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | It's worth bringing up as a style point. | 00:02 |
| loquacities | i agree | 00:02 |
| loquacities | ok, if that's everything, i'm going to close the meeting ... | 00:03 |
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| loquacities | thanks for coming everyone :) | 00:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | yarp | 00:03 |
| bmoss | merci beaucoup! | 00:03 |
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| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 22 00:03:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-21-23.33.html | 00:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-21-23.33.txt | 00:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-21-23.33.log.html | 00:03 |
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| JRobinson__ | o/ | 00:04 |
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| katomo | Bye. | 00:04 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 22 07:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:01 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| asalkeld | o/ | 07:01 |
| therve | Hey | 07:01 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: ping | 07:02 |
| Qiming | yes | 07:02 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 07:02 |
| ochuprykov | o/ | 07:02 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 07:02 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:02 | |
| tlashchova_ | hi | 07:02 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 07:02 |
| stevebaker | bring them on | 07:02 |
| skraynev_ | o/ | 07:02 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-07-23_0700_UTC.29 | 07:02 |
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| kairat_kushaev | o/ | 07:03 |
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| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:03 |
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| stevebaker | I've just gone through them and its looking like a reasonable list. Unless anyone has changes which they want to add? | 07:04 |
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| asalkeld | seems ok | 07:04 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Not in the critical list, but to wrap up the zaqar transport I need tripleO review | 07:05 |
| therve | stevebaker, Any idea who I can harass? | 07:05 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I've been out of the loop for a week, can you give a general update on how convergence changes are going? | 07:05 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: going well | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | therve: on os-collect-config? | 07:06 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: there are some patches up for review | 07:06 |
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| asalkeld | but functional tests improving | 07:06 |
| therve | stevebaker, Yeah and tripleo-templates | 07:06 |
| asalkeld | ishant_: how can we help with the converg. tests? | 07:07 |
| stevebaker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:convergence+project:openstack/heat+status:open,n,z | 07:07 |
| asalkeld | (or are you mostly done) | 07:07 |
| therve | I've seen start on the scenario import, that's pretty cool | 07:07 |
| ishant_ | asalkeld: Its almost done. Jenkins is failing because of bugs in convergence | 07:07 |
| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/203661 | 07:07 |
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| stevebaker | therve: downstream is about to release, so there will be frantic bug fixing rather than feature reviews :) It will happen. I'll check them out too but I don't have +2 | 07:08 |
| asalkeld | ishant_: ok, so we should just help with fixing the tests? | 07:08 |
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| therve | Ah snap | 07:08 |
| ishant_ | asalkeld: Just need to fix update replace tests | 07:08 |
| asalkeld | is someone busy with that? | 07:08 |
| ishant_ | asalkeld: yes someone needs to fix those | 07:08 |
| asalkeld | ok, i could do that | 07:09 |
| asalkeld | tho' when i tried, there were lots of other failures | 07:09 |
| rakesh_hs | asalkeld: I am working on concurrent update bug | 07:09 |
| asalkeld | ok rakesh_hs | 07:09 |
| stevebaker | btw I'd prefer the convergence gate to run all heat_integrationtests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198273/ | 07:09 |
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| ananta_ | stevebaker: sure | 07:10 |
| stevebaker | #topic High priority bugs http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK | 07:11 |
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| stevebaker | #link http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK | 07:11 |
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| huangtianhua | I can't open it:( | 07:12 |
| Qiming | huangtianhua, neither can I, bit.ly is blocked | 07:13 |
| pas-ha | huangtianhua, works for me (in Ukraine) | 07:13 |
| therve | Qiming, https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.importance:list=CRITICAL&field.importance:list=HIGH&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.om | 07:13 |
| therve | it_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 07:13 |
| stevebaker | here is the full url http://paste.openstack.org/show/398878/ | 07:13 |
| Qiming | thx! | 07:13 |
| pas-ha | https://goo.gl/Nltp9m | 07:13 |
| stevebaker | bit.ly? good grief | 07:13 |
| therve | Dang oslo crypt is biting us :/ | 07:14 |
| stevebaker | ricolin: are you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1475057 ? | 07:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475057 in heat "Resource failure causes nested stacks to be rolled back" [High,New] - Assigned to Rico Lin (rico-lin) | 07:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1475057 in heat "Resource failure causes nested stacks to be rolled back" [High,New] | 07:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1475057 in heat "Resource failure causes nested stacks to be rolled back" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475057 | 07:14 |
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| pas-ha | lol, bot overdrive | 07:15 |
| ricolin | survey on it | 07:15 |
| ricolin | but not start coding yet | 07:16 |
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| stevebaker | btw this backport should really get into kilo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204301/ | 07:16 |
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| pas-ha | stevebaker, kilo is blocked for now, l-2 release coming | 07:18 |
| pas-ha | k-2 that is | 07:18 |
| stevebaker | oh thats right, bummer | 07:18 |
| stevebaker | #topic Tempest checking on resource type list | 07:19 |
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| stevebaker | Qiming: go | 07:19 |
| Qiming | ah, this is mine | 07:19 |
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| Qiming | refer to link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150720/ | 07:19 |
| Qiming | and link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147761/ | 07:19 |
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| Qiming | was tring to "fix" the resource-type-list behavior, for 2 reasons: | 07:20 |
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| stevebaker | so the current resource type list REST API call returns a list of type strings, which is not extendable | 07:20 |
| therve | It's disturbing there isn't a blueprint or a bug | 07:20 |
| Qiming | currently, GET /resource_types returns a list of strings: ["OS::Nova::Server", ...] | 07:20 |
| Qiming | this is not conforming to API WG guideline here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/representation_structure.html#collection-resources | 07:21 |
| Qiming | and it is causing problems in OpenStack SDK: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/python-openstacksdk/tree/openstack/resource.py#n859 | 07:21 |
| stevebaker | we need to keep that behaviour for REST API stability, but we need to decide on how to request the rich type list (a list of dicts) | 07:21 |
| Qiming | yes, breaking existing users is really really bad | 07:21 |
| Qiming | that is why I'd like to hear what people would suggest | 07:22 |
| stevebaker | what did we end up doing for the details flag on resource-list? | 07:22 |
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| Qiming | the default output from 'GET /resource_types' should be a list of dicts | 07:22 |
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| therve | Qiming, You can't break compatibility | 07:22 |
| asalkeld | i think the only option is to add a new option | 07:22 |
| asalkeld | ;) | 07:23 |
| Qiming | agreed, therve | 07:23 |
| therve | Qiming, So you can't change the default right away | 07:23 |
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| Qiming | so I was thinking of adding 'resource-types' resource, in addition to to the 'resource_types' resource | 07:23 |
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| Qiming | not sure this sounds crazy or not | 07:23 |
| therve | Yep | 07:23 |
| asalkeld | Qiming: yip, crazy | 07:24 |
| therve | :) | 07:24 |
| Qiming | :) | 07:24 |
| Qiming | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/naming.html says this: we should not include underscores in resource names | 07:24 |
| stevebaker | how about resource_types?with_detail=true <- this is consistent with the new resource details call | 07:24 |
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| Qiming | if we strictly follow the guidelines, we should rename resource_types to resource-types | 07:24 |
| Qiming | well, the guideline itself sounds crazy too, en? | 07:25 |
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| therve | It doesn't say to do renames, though | 07:25 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: we can fully follow the guidelines when we implement v2 | 07:25 |
| Qiming | so, for v1, maybe just add a query string? | 07:25 |
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| therve | Yeah that sounds okay | 07:26 |
| Qiming | if that is the right way to go, I will start looking into sdk code and see if it can work there | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | yes, we just need to decide whether with_details is appropriate for a list of strings vs a list of dicts. Personally I'm OK with it | 07:26 |
| Qiming | also I'll revise the Heat patch and the tempest patch | 07:27 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: seems ok to me | 07:27 |
| therve | I don't think it needs a tempest patch | 07:27 |
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| therve | If you keep compatibility | 07:27 |
| Qiming | right, tempest one can be abandoned then | 07:27 |
| Qiming | okay, got it, will do | 07:27 |
| Qiming | one more thing, do we need a bp for this as therve mentioned? | 07:28 |
| therve | At *least* a bug | 07:28 |
| Qiming | okay, a bug is it | 07:28 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: it would be good if the heat patch had a format function in heat.engine.api. The current dict creating is happening deep elsewhere (environment>) | 07:28 |
| Qiming | ah, I see | 07:29 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 07:29 |
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| therve | The review list is huge :/ | 07:30 |
| stevebaker | that it is | 07:30 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: updated the heat-review with pending desigante and monasca plugin change-sets. | 07:30 |
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| stevebaker | KanagarajM: thanks | 07:30 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: could you approve the monasca https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/support-monasca-alarm-notification in launchpad for l2? | 07:31 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: sure | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | therve: it may well be time to evaluate potentials for heat-core | 07:32 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: thanks. | 07:32 |
| therve | stevebaker, Or just encourage the existing ones :) | 07:33 |
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| stevebaker | therve: my stick isn't long enough | 07:33 |
| therve | :) | 07:34 |
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| stevebaker | hey, openstack stats is still running http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/heat-reviewers-30.txt | 07:34 |
| stevebaker | ok, lets finish up unless anyone else has anything | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | 3 | 07:35 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | 2 | 07:35 |
| asalkeld | http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/heat-group/30 | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | 1 | 07:35 |
| asalkeld | also there ^ | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 07:35 |
| * therve kicks himself | 07:35 | |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 22 07:35:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-22-07.01.html | 07:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-22-07.01.txt | 07:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-22-07.01.log.html | 07:35 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: ah, I was trying to get something useful out of stackalytics | 07:36 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: the link is at the bottom | 07:36 |
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| stevebaker | thanks all \o | 07:37 |
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| huazhihao | sorry I am late | 09:17 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 22 09:31:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:31 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy - ping! | 09:31 |
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| BobBall | Ah - hi huazhihao | 09:32 |
| BobBall | I see you now | 09:32 |
| BobBall | sorry :) | 09:32 |
| BobBall | But we're kinda stuck waiting for johnthetubaguy | 09:32 |
| huazhihao | @bobball Hi Bob | 09:33 |
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| BobBall | I did add a couple of items to the agenda but they are ones we need to discuss | 09:33 |
| huazhihao | :bobball no problem | 09:33 |
| BobBall | Agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI#Next_meeting for those interested | 09:33 |
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| BobBall | Specifically I wanted to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1204631 | 09:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1204631 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Confirmed] | 09:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1204631 in nova "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Confirmed] | 09:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1204631 in nova "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204631 | 09:34 |
| BobBall | Helpful. Double bot and double messages from one bot! | 09:34 |
| BobBall | Anyway - comments on the bug suggest that it might already be fixed | 09:34 |
| BobBall | and the code appears to agree | 09:34 |
| BobBall | so I want to close it | 09:34 |
| BobBall | or at least move it back to unconfirmed (which will probably mean it gets auto-closed) | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | In terms of the CIs, check out zuul.openstack.xenproject.org/scoreboard | 09:35 |
| BobBall | the XenServer CI is still doing v well | 09:35 |
| BobBall | and the libvirt+xen CI is doing well too | 09:36 |
| BobBall | but there are some interesting cases for the libvirt+xen CI - for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192736 | 09:36 |
| BobBall | This change has been negative-voted for different reasons several times | 09:36 |
| BobBall | More than you'd expect from the percentage of failures seen by the libvirt+xen CI in general | 09:37 |
| BobBall | I've forwarded it on to the xen group and hope to hear more soon | 09:37 |
| BobBall | But that's about all | 09:37 |
| BobBall | We also needed to talk to johnthetubaguy about tty.gz in stack.sh | 09:37 |
| huazhihao | Yes | 09:38 |
| BobBall | I don't know why it's there or what it's used for so would propose removing it | 09:38 |
| BobBall | but I thought johnthetubaguy might have some thoughts on whether it might be used in contexts we don't know about | 09:38 |
| BobBall | Just tracking down the change that added it | 09:40 |
| BobBall | Yay | 09:41 |
| BobBall | was added in the initial XenServer devstack support | 09:41 |
| BobBall | b62b4ca2928fbcdf339be804da9d4aade41380e4 | 09:41 |
| BobBall | I suspect that it has not been tested since | 09:41 |
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| BobBall | I think we should just propose removing it and see if johnthetubaguy or anyone else complains | 09:43 |
| BobBall | OK - we'll close there since I think that we can continue to discuss MOS progress offline huazhihao | 09:44 |
| BobBall | I'll catch up with johnthetubaguy offline | 09:44 |
| BobBall | Next meeting in a fortnight: 5th August | 09:45 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 09:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 22 09:45:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-07-22-09.31.html | 09:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-07-22-09.31.txt | 09:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-07-22-09.31.log.html | 09:45 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:03 |
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| zhiyuan | hi all | 13:04 |
| gampel | hi | 13:04 |
| joehuang | hi zhiyuan and gampel | 13:04 |
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| saggi | hi | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | hi saggi | 13:05 |
| joehuang | nice to meet you all | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 22 13:05:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:06 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | #info joe | 13:06 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:06 |
| saggi | #info saggi | 13:06 |
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| gampel | #info gampel | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | #topic db | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | hello, let's dicuss the table design of the cascade service | 13:07 |
| joehuang | because the KeyStone already store all information about endpoints | 13:08 |
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| gampel | we added the basic endpoint schema to the doc | 13:08 |
| saggi | What do you mean by endpoint? | 13:08 |
| saggi | A site? | 13:09 |
| joehuang | so when we store endponint information in cascade servcice, then it may lead to duplicaton | 13:09 |
| joehuang | a service endpoint is the pulic/internal/admin url for one serice like nova, cinder | 13:09 |
| joehuang | not a site | 13:09 |
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| saggi | So you want us to just ask the bottom KeyStone? | 13:10 |
| saggi | instead of storing it in the DB? | 13:10 |
| gampel | can you please explain what is stored in KeyStone I am not sure i follow | 13:10 |
| joehuang | So we may only store region info in the cascade service, and ask keystone if required | 13:10 |
| saggi | joehuang: What region info? | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | there is one table in KeyStone,called region, one OpenStack instance one region | 13:11 |
| joehuang | and each region will include service like Nova,cinder, neutron, glance, ceilometer, or other service | 13:12 |
| gampel | can we get from Keystone the urls to access a region | 13:12 |
| joehuang | each service has endpoint like pulic/internal/admin url | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | hi gampel, you got my idea | 13:12 |
| joehuang | we simply store region, and cache the endponit url | 13:13 |
| joehuang | if the cached url can't be accessed( timeout), then refresh from keystone | 13:13 |
| gampel | So we could store the assess URL for the bottom stack in Ketstone | 13:13 |
| joehuang | KeyStone already stores that | 13:13 |
| saggi | joehuang: It's odd that Keystone already has that feature | 13:14 |
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| saggi | joehuang: What is it being used for? | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | when the user has be authenticated, the user can retrieve the endponit list, and select one region to access | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | hello, zhipeng, welcome back. Hope your babies is sleeping ;) | 13:16 |
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| zhipeng | joehuang thx they are sleeping like babies :P | 13:17 |
| saggi | The cascade service will need to be able to access the information for all regions. | 13:17 |
| saggi | zhipeng: :) | 13:17 |
| saggi | joehuang: Is it possible to query for multiple regions? | 13:17 |
| joehuang | sure, keystone 's ability | 13:17 |
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| gampel | So you mean when an admin add a Cascaded site we will configure new region in keystone and store all the information | 13:18 |
| joehuang | for cascade service, we can provide a way which regions will be managed by the cascade service | 13:18 |
| saggi | joehuang: So for each region there are multiple tenants or is that orthogonal? | 13:18 |
| joehuang | yes, the admin first manage these region and endpoints in keystone | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | each tenenat may cross several regions | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | any region may support multi=tenancy | 13:19 |
| gampel | But we want to create One Cascading API to mange adding new sites | 13:19 |
| gampel | is it possible to create the region in Keystone from the cascading openstack service | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | no need to do this. | 13:20 |
| joehuang | keystone is for this | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | but cascade service need to know which regions the cascade service will cover | 13:21 |
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| saggi | joehuang: And generate appropriate AZ information | 13:21 |
| joehuang | this configuration APi is needed | 13:21 |
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| gampel | How do you configure regions in keystone ? | 13:22 |
| joehuang | AZ infomation should also be configured in the bottom OpenStack | 13:22 |
| joehuang | and retrieved to cascade service | 13:22 |
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| saggi | joehuang: I wanted to talk about that. I was wondering why not just expose all the compute node and create a logical immutable AZ for them. Do you follow? | 13:24 |
| joehuang | #link http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/keystoneclient_commands.html | 13:24 |
| gampel | Let first action item this topic I suggest that we study this a bit and if make sense update the doc and change the db schema | 13:24 |
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| saggi | gampel: +1 | 13:25 |
| joehuang | to saggi, you mean nodes in bottom openstack or top layer openstack? | 13:25 |
| joehuang | agree | 13:26 |
| saggi | bottom layer | 13:26 |
| saggi | joehuang: ^^ | 13:26 |
| saggi | to expose them as is in the top layer | 13:26 |
| saggi | With an automatic AZ to be able to lock scheduling to a specific site. | 13:26 |
| joehuang | yes, it's possible in new design | 13:26 |
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| saggi | joehuang: great | 13:27 |
| joehuang | because all nodes in bottom openstack will be grouped into AZs | 13:27 |
| saggi | yes | 13:27 |
| gampel | and then we will create default AZ for site but allow creating iner AZ | 13:27 |
| joehuang | so we can get AZ info from all bottom openstack | 13:27 |
| zhipeng | would there be two layers of AZs?? | 13:27 |
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| saggi | zhipeng: not layers. Just multiple AZ. Like a ven diagram. | 13:27 |
| joehuang | there are should be one interal AZ in top layer | 13:28 |
| gampel | no same layer because you could have one VM in multiple AZs | 13:28 |
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| zhipeng | got it | 13:28 |
| joehuang | how about one action to redesign the DB shcema? | 13:29 |
| saggi | joehuang: I don't follow | 13:29 |
| joehuang | according to info in keystone and bottom opensrack | 13:29 |
| saggi | joehuang: Oh, action item. I get it. | 13:29 |
| gampel | Yes lets look a it a bit I suggest that we study this a bit and if make sense update the doc and change the db schema | 13:29 |
| saggi | gampel, joehuang: It should contain the endpoint cache at the very least | 13:30 |
| joehuang | tables in the google doc store a lot dupplicate info, a bit hard to maintain if somthing changed in keystone or bottom openstack | 13:30 |
| gampel | thats true | 13:30 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:30 |
| joehuang | I mentioned cache. | 13:30 |
| zhipeng | #action study info on keystone and update the db schema design | 13:31 |
| joehuang | thanks. zhipeng. I remove what I typed :) | 13:31 |
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| zhipeng | joehuang :P | 13:32 |
| joehuang | #topic BP | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | we have a very good start for the source code | 13:32 |
| joehuang | we need a BP to link the first patch, frame work, plugin | 13:33 |
| joehuang | so that peoples are easy to be involved in | 13:33 |
| zhipeng | do we need one BP to cover all that? Or BP per patch? | 13:34 |
| gampel | BP link please review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle/+spec/new-design | 13:35 |
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| zhipeng | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle/+spec/new-design | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | great | 13:36 |
| gampel | can we push it to master branch ? | 13:36 |
| joehuang | we can shares the bp in the mail-list, so it will be visible for all people. | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | ok. please merge on master branch | 13:37 |
| joehuang | and remove all old code. Zhiyuan has already put a tag on the master. | 13:37 |
| saggi | joehuang: Do you want to merge after committing to "experiment" or do you want to close experiment and have me resend it based on "master"? | 13:38 |
| saggi | OK I'll add a rearrange the patches. | 13:38 |
| saggi | And clean up the code base. | 13:38 |
| joehuang | how about nova patch | 13:38 |
| joehuang | nova patch in Nova-API | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | sorry that I was on business trip, not review so much | 13:39 |
| saggi | joehuang: It's in progress. It's a very complex API. | 13:39 |
| joehuang | for monday and tuesday | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | to saggi, you mean boot-vm? | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | this is the complex one indeed | 13:40 |
| gampel | we could collaborate on the other cascading service building blocks | 13:40 |
| joehuang | sure | 13:41 |
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| saggi | joehuang: For now I'm trying to get a skeleton up so we could start collaborating. | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | understand | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | I talked with core member Lingxian of Mistral | 13:42 |
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| gampel | Yes what does he think | 13:42 |
| joehuang | Mistral doesn't provide lib, but work as standalone serice | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | that means can only call restful API or use its python client (the client to call restful API) | 13:43 |
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| gampel | so using rest api | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | it'll be great challenge | 13:43 |
| joehuang | add one more restful API calling hop | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | some extra complexity will introduce | 13:44 |
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| gampel | if we will do run time query caching an way , this is not a big problem | 13:45 |
| joehuang | especiall for status refresh. etc | 13:45 |
| joehuang | we need a BP and detail infor about run time query | 13:45 |
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| saggi | joehuang: Did you change the topic? Also add an action item for that BP | 13:46 |
| joehuang | There is a lot of chllenge we found for status | 13:46 |
| saggi | joehuang: We could bypass minstral for status | 13:46 |
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| saggi | since it doesn't require any transaction | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | could you please share your ideas how to handle the status | 13:47 |
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| gampel | we need to add to the design the way we handle run time query | 13:48 |
| joehuang | especially if a VM is in live-migration, or migrate volume | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | if migration task is running in mistral | 13:49 |
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| gampel | live migration is not a relevant use case in my opinion | 13:49 |
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| saggi | We could define a caching policy per VM or VM group. That is good for high latency situations. When we detect a low latency situation we will start refreshing the cache in shorter intervals. Whatever the case the user always get the information for the cache. | 13:50 |
| joehuang | so I am wondering to see if the ideas work for status uery | 13:50 |
| saggi | Status query should bypass minstrall IMHO | 13:50 |
| saggi | I don't think they even have that use case. | 13:51 |
| saggi | Since it's not a real 'task' | 13:51 |
| joehuang | where to define the policy, in cascade service? | 13:51 |
| saggi | joehuang: Yes | 13:51 |
| joehuang | there are multi-worker multi-processes | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | so which one will do the cacahe, cache in memory or in DB | 13:52 |
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| saggi | joehuang: Depends on scale. We might need to use a caching service like redis. | 13:53 |
| saggi | joehuang: It's not information we care about persisting. But I suspect that for a huge amount of nodes it will get to big to keep in memory. | 13:54 |
| joehuang | so which cascade service will be responisble for which VM/VM group cacahed status refreshment | 13:54 |
| saggi | joehuang: Sharding, either by site or by VM_ID % cascade_service | 13:54 |
| gampel | I suggest that we will add an action item to add design for cache and task exec and then discuss if it make sense | 13:54 |
| joehuang | agree | 13:55 |
| zhiyuan | +1 | 13:55 |
| zhipeng | +1 | 13:55 |
| saggi | +1 | 13:55 |
| joehuang | status is very important. | 13:55 |
| gampel | I think that we need to fix our CI to include pep8 testing | 13:56 |
| saggi | gampel: Or I can keep fixing your pep8 errors :) | 13:56 |
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| gampel | :-D | 13:56 |
| joehuang | ci included pep8, is n't it? Zhiyuan | 13:57 |
| saggi | We need to add tox configuration | 13:57 |
| saggi | for it to run | 13:57 |
| zhiyuan | not setup yet. I am coding for DAL these days. But enabling pep8 is easy | 13:57 |
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| zhipeng | what is DAL? | 13:58 |
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| zhiyuan | just add a script to run flake8 in our third party CI | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | #action design for cache and task exec and then discuss | 13:59 |
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| saggi | zhipeng: Data Access Layer - And abstraction of all the data sources in the top layer. | 13:59 |
| saggi | zhipeng: The cascade service DB the nova DB the neutron DB etc. | 14:00 |
| zhipeng | saggi thx :) | 14:00 |
| joehuang | let's have a short summary | 14:01 |
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| zhiyuan | I will take some time to enable pep8 tomorrow | 14:01 |
| saggi | zhiyuan: great | 14:01 |
| joehuang | #action pep8 enable in ci | 14:02 |
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| joehuang | 3 action, is there any more, or something missed? | 14:02 |
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| zhipeng | should be ok for now joehuang | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | let's wrap up for the day :) | 14:04 |
| joehuang | pls. | 14:04 |
| joehuang | I am not family to use the irc | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | just #endmeeting | 14:05 |
| gampel | thank you | 14:05 |
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| zhipeng | but you should be the one typing it | 14:05 |
| joehuang | ok ,thank you all | 14:05 |
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| gampel | bye | 14:06 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 14:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 22 14:06:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-07-22-13.05.html | 14:06 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 14:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2015/tricircle.2015-07-22-13.05.txt | 14:06 |
| joehuang | bye | 14:06 |
| saggi | bye | 14:06 |
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| Zara_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| Zara_ | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 22 15:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| Zara_ | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:00 |
| Zara_ | #topic urgent items | 15:00 |
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| Zara_ | We need more reviews. Our current requirements are one +1 and one +2 to merge. | 15:00 |
| Zara_ | We have the ability to merge things, but we'd rather not vote on our own | 15:00 |
| Zara_ | patches, so getting the +1s is tough. Please review if you have the time! :) | 15:00 |
| Zara_ | #topic spec review | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "spec review (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| Zara_ | SotK is on holiday; let's leave this 'til next week. | 15:01 |
| Zara_ | #topic in progress work | 15:01 |
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| Zara_ | I'm continuing to look at misc bugfixes that make the webclient easier to use. | 15:01 |
| Zara_ | As I get more familiar with the code, I'll look at tag implementation. SotK | 15:01 |
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| Zara_ | has been looking at implementing worklists and boards, but detail will have | 15:01 |
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| Zara_ | to wait for next week. | 15:01 |
| Zara_ | #topic Open discussion | 15:01 |
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| Zara_ | anyone have any storyboard-related questions/comments? | 15:01 |
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| persia | Would it be helpful for folk to spend time on the Storyboard Storyboard, commenting on stories? | 15:03 |
| persia | Or is there already too much there, so that folk ought wait a bit for things to get going again? | 15:03 |
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| Zara_ | We can do for some; a lot seem to be out of date though it would still be helpful to flag that up. | 15:05 |
| Zara_ | I ought to have been making new entries for the bugs I've been finding, tbh. | 15:05 |
| persia | In that case, I'll try to be active there :) | 15:05 |
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| Zara_ | :) we may want to wait until the paging patches are all merged, since that way we can see more of the stories | 15:06 |
| persia | Yes, probably: if you're finding/fixing bugs, having them show up helps with experience using it, which likely identifies more bugs. | 15:06 |
| persia | Heh, perhaps. | 15:06 |
| Zara_ | those are just some of the patches that need some +1s :D | 15:07 |
| * persia is appropriately shamed, and attends to trying to get his storyboard dev environment up-to-date instead of chatting on IRC. | 15:08 | |
| Zara_ | oh no, don't be sad! but also great, thanks. :) | 15:09 |
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| Zara_ | #link patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient,n,z | 15:13 |
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| Zara_ | Any other storyboard questions or comments? | 15:20 |
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| Zara_ | No point hanging around, then. Meeting ends in... | 15:21 |
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| Zara_ | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 22 15:22:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-07-22-15.00.html | 15:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-07-22-15.00.txt | 15:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-07-22-15.00.log.html | 15:22 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 22 16:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| winston-1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| Swanson | greetings | 16:00 |
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| ameade | 0/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
| deepakcs | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgregor | heelo | 16:01 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:01 |
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| * jungleboyj just finished cleaning up spilled coffee. :-( | 16:01 | |
| erlon | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | #info Replication v2 will be approved this week | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155644/ | 16:01 |
| srikanth_poolla | hi | 16:01 |
| casusbelli | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:01 |
| thingee | there is some clean up work needed by jgriffith, but otherwise the agreement on automation points is not important to us at this time according to our last meeting. | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:02 |
| * thingee might just submit an update for jgriffith | 16:02 | |
| jgriffith | thingee: agreed | 16:02 |
| thingee | #info non-disruptive backup spec needs feedback | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186897/ | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #info scaling backup spec needs feedback | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203215/ | 16:03 |
| avishay | hello | 16:03 |
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| xyang1 | thingee: Thanks | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #info cinder midcycle meetup needs topics still | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:04 |
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| thingee | some of these I would like to talk about in open discussion time. | 16:04 |
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| thingee | any other announcements? | 16:04 |
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| thingee | ok! | 16:05 |
| thingee | lets get started! | 16:05 |
| e0ne | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203054/ - would be good ti get it merged this week | 16:05 |
| thingee | e0ne: ok! | 16:06 |
| thingee | agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:06 |
| asselin_ | o/ | 16:06 |
| e0ne | thingee: thanks a lot! | 16:06 |
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| thingee | #topic Replication | 16:06 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: hi | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Hi. | 16:07 |
| ericksonsantos | Hi everyone \o | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | So, I don't want this to be a big long discussion. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Just wondering if we have any definition around timelines/expectation for replication. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | As to when the code needs to be merged for Liberty. | 16:08 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ^ | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'd LOVE to see it land by the end of this week or next | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: and jgriffith Then when do we need to get the driver patches to implement it pushed up? | 16:09 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: before feature freeze | 16:09 |
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| vilobhmm | this should be helpful https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule I guess | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: do you think that you're going to run out of time? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, guessing that will be discussed later given the agenda update? Or should we do that now? | 16:10 |
| vilobhmm | for deadlines | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: could punt till M I suppose if you're concerned about that | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: No, don't want to do that. Just wanted to get a feel for what jgriffith and thingee were expecting. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Timeline is a little type, but I'd rather see it make it in. | 16:11 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I think you got your answer. | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:11 |
| thingee | jgriffith: would love asap if people won't stop his patch | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: ++ | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | /type/tight/ | 16:12 |
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| thingee | I say feature freeze, but I don't think people should be concerned with moving over to this in L | 16:12 |
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| thingee | barely anyone will have support. There are other things to focus on. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: What do you mean? | 16:12 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I'd like to see that IBM XIV CI working for one | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Yeah, knew that was coming. We can talk about that offline. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: In the Cinder channel. | 16:13 |
| Swanson | M release for the dell driver I think. Would not be displeased to see others get this going first in L. | 16:13 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: it's already in infra this morning | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, I will take it over there. | 16:13 |
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| thingee | My advice, get familiar with the work happening with replication, plan to make a splash in M. Don't rush. it ends up to mistakes. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Not sure why the concerns weren't communicated to me. | 16:14 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: you're not the maintainer. | 16:14 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: not going to get into this right now though. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Ok, after the meeting. | 16:14 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: if you want to be cc'd add your name to the wiki entry for the ci's | 16:14 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: anything else? | 16:15 |
| flip214 | will there be a way to test that in -infra? Ie. multi-node CI? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, just for awareness Tao is working on POC code for storwize to ensure that we can make John's code work. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | Appreciate feedback from others on that code as well. | 16:15 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thank you | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Welcome. | 16:16 |
| thingee | #topic config generator updates | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | So this is me again. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:16 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: jgregor kjnelson hi | 16:16 |
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| kjnelson | thingee: hi | 16:16 |
| thingee | #info patch from Kilo missed the mark | 16:16 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/165431 | 16:16 |
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| jgregor | thingee: hi | 16:16 |
| thingee | #info new patch for liberty proposed | 16:17 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/200567 | 16:17 |
| * jgriffith is confused | 16:17 | |
| jgriffith | "A new patch was proposed which is nearly the same" | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Another developer tried to propose the fix and basically duplicated the patch I wrote for Kilo. | 16:17 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yeah, patch from Kilo never landed. This one is the same as the Kilo patch...but trying to get it in for Liberty | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: The solution we had proposed in Kilo was deemed insufficient. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | Nah.. my confusion is the patches look VERY different to me | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Can you give a little background and what the issues are? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, well, it is still creating a static Cinder namespace that pulls in the config options from all of the drivers. | 16:19 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yeah stats looks different for sure | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yeah... looking trying to parse out the differences | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | In Kilo that was considered an undesirable approach. | 16:19 |
| thingee | 400!=7000 something lines | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: yeah... I think the big thing is Sergey included the two conf files, 3K lines each :( | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | It is the approach that Nova has used. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: seems there's something wrong right there if you ask me ;) | 16:20 |
| thingee | I thought we were done with including the conf samples in tree. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: thingee Yes, he has the sample in there. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Right, that shouldn't be there. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so I guess if nobody can come up with something better, then so be it | 16:20 |
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| thingee | ok whew | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: So, here is what I wanted to propose. | 16:20 |
| thingee | oh temporarily add the conf samples as the commit message says. got it ;) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | kjnelson: and jgregor Have looked at this and are working on doing something more like what we used to do for the old config generator with the new config generator. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah... proof that it works :) | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | The concern with my proposal had partially been that it wasn't dynamic. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: correct, that was my big concern | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I had hacking checks, which are required at a minimum. | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | Though we are working on dynamically building up the Cinder namespace so that users wouldn't have to add their new config lists. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: do you have some code to show? | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: thingee et al , would you be willing to consider that approach if we proposed it. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I honestly don't really know what you're describing | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Not yet, just have the flow written out. | 16:23 |
| * jgriffith would consider anything, but no promises on ANYTHING sight unseen | 16:23 | |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, fair enough. So we are working on a solution and will get some code up. | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | Why don't we just write a bash scrip to walk all files and collect everything with Cfg.XXXOpt in it? :) | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | That is part of it but then we have to build up the Opt file to be used by the generator as its namespace. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | I wanted to make sure before we put more time into this that no one else was working on it. | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | ya... I'm going to be quiet and not derail the conversation needlessly | 16:26 |
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| * jgriffith thinks out loud too much sometimes :) | 16:26 | |
| * flip214 can't hear that far, though | 16:26 | |
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| jgriffith | flip214: LOL | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Given no other objections kjnelson and jgregor Will work with Sergey to get a solution proposed then. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Sound ok? | 16:27 |
| thingee | sounds fine to me. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | It will also be good to clean out some more of the incubator once we get that working. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks! | 16:28 |
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| hemna | is etherpad even working right now? I can't seem to hit it at all | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I'm in there. | 16:28 |
| thingee | hemna: working for me | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | That was all I had. | 16:28 |
| hemna | ok, probably my network. nm sorry. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | hemna: it works onny in incognito mode for me:( | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I had a weird chromium issue. Try ff. | 16:29 |
| thingee | #topic Final decision to make rally job voting | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Final decision to make rally job voting (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:29 | |
| thingee | e0ne: hi | 16:29 |
| e0ne | thi | 16:29 |
| hemna | oh, incognito | 16:29 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:29 |
| hemna | odd | 16:29 |
| thingee | #info previous meeting notes | 16:29 |
| thingee | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-01-16.00.html | 16:29 |
| thingee | #info job stats | 16:29 |
| thingee | #link http://goo.gl/3a6QIz | 16:29 |
| thingee | #info review request | 16:29 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203680/ | 16:29 |
| e0ne | i don't know what i can add to this topic | 16:29 |
| e0ne | it's up to all of you to make a decision:) | 16:30 |
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| thingee | based on the stats, seems reasonable to me | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: We just need a final "OK", right? | 16:30 |
| hemna | what's the Y axis units ? | 16:30 |
| thingee | any objections? | 16:30 |
| thangp | will cinderclient-dsvm-functional do the same as the rally gate job? | 16:30 |
| thangp | cinderclient-dsvm-functional was proposed last week | 16:30 |
| thingee | thangp: what do you mean by do the same? vote? | 16:30 |
| e0ne | thangp: what do you mean? | 16:30 |
| thangp | cinderclient-dsvm-functional is suppose to test the python-client | 16:31 |
| thangp | all its apis | 16:31 |
| thangp | how much different is the rally job vs. cinderclient-dsvm-functional? | 16:31 |
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| thangp | i had thought the rally job tests the python-cinderclient apis too | 16:31 |
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| thangp | or does rally have more complex cases | 16:32 |
| e0ne | thangp: rally can do it with concurrency, a lot of times, integration with nova/glance/etc | 16:32 |
| thangp | ah ok | 16:32 |
| thangp | will cinderclient-dsvm-functional do concurrency? | 16:32 |
| thingee | I also thought we're looking at performance perspective with certain scenario patterns | 16:33 |
| thingee | in rally | 16:33 |
| thangp | I had though we wanted to include rally because it has more tests than tempest | 16:33 |
| e0ne | hemna: tbh, i don't know how graphite calculates numbers of run for Y axis:( | 16:33 |
| thangp | e.g. backups | 16:33 |
| e0ne | thingee: +1, thanks for mention it | 16:33 |
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| e0ne | thangp: it's not about test coverage between rally & tempest | 16:34 |
| e0ne | thangp: it's defferent types of tests | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | thangp: tempest doesn't care about performance | 16:34 |
| thangp | e0ne: ok | 16:34 |
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| thingee | ok I think there are no objections? | 16:35 |
| e0ne | no from my side:) | 16:35 |
| thingee | #agreed rally job to start voting | 16:36 |
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| e0ne | thank you! | 16:36 |
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| thingee | anything else? | 16:36 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 16:37 |
| e0ne | just fyi, we wech boris-42 working on cinder api v2 coverage | 16:37 |
| deepakcs | e0ne: so when rally job gives a -1, does it mean the patch is degrading perf or ? | 16:37 |
| * deepakcs trying to understand how to interpret rally job failure | 16:37 | |
| e0ne | deepakcs: it means that something broken with cinder | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | deepakcs: Good question. | 16:38 |
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| e0ne | deepakcs: perf degrading is not calculated now | 16:38 |
| deepakcs | e0ne: rally is for performance and what else ? Sorry i don't have much background on rally job | 16:38 |
| thingee | e0ne: I think it would be good if you got that working out while it's non-voting. | 16:38 |
| thingee | e0ne: I was under the impression that's what we get from rally today | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: that's not completely accurate | 16:39 |
| deepakcs | e0ne: and i didn't see a good answer to thangp 's q on whats the diff between rally and the other cinderclient job | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: which is one concern I have about Rally | 16:39 |
| e0ne | deepakcs: now, in cinder gates it only covers some test cases | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: it's easy to "not guess" correctly on the job distribution and end up not having enough resources to allocate | 16:39 |
| eharney | i was also wondering about this, i'm not too familiar with what the rally job is doing | 16:39 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith, thingee: i could implement simple workaround for rally: create rally plugin in cinder to cover api v2 | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: yeah, that's not really what I'm concerned about. I am concerned about it being voting | 16:40 |
| e0ne | #link rally scenarios for cinder https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194180/6/rally-jobs/cinder.yaml | 16:40 |
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| thingee | e0ne: that's not what I'm concerned about. I'm concerned with rally not doing what I thought it was doing | 16:41 |
| winston-1 | as long as rally can finish its job, taking 10hrs to finish, it should still vote +1, I guess? | 16:41 |
| e0ne | gate-rally-dsvm-cinderSUCCESS in 32m 34s | 16:41 |
| e0ne | gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-fullSUCCESS in 1h 04m 05s | 16:41 |
| thingee | e0ne: I was under impression that rally was using certain patterns to figure performance | 16:41 |
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| deepakcs | e0ne: some comment on how to interpret that yaml can help too :) | 16:41 |
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| e0ne | it's faster than tempest | 16:42 |
| e0ne | gate-tempest-dsvm-fullSUCCESS in 53m 10s | 16:42 |
| eharney | is the idea that we should be looking at successful rally runs to see if they are slower than expected? | 16:42 |
| * deepakcs also thinks in general, we should have a wiki page that lists each job (check and gate) and provides a brief on what each does (unless there is already one ?) | 16:42 | |
| thingee | eharney: that's what I'm trying to figure out. i thought it was already doing this | 16:42 |
| e0ne | eharney: we want to implement it | 16:42 |
| winston-1 | i don't think rally job votes based on performance, e.g for +1 if it finishes fast enough (beats 90% of existing runs). | 16:43 |
| eharney | thingee: i would have thought too, but i haven't looked at it much | 16:43 |
| e0ne | but now it doesn't do it:( | 16:43 |
| eharney | seems like it won't help much if it doesn't vote based on that | 16:43 |
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| ameade | eharney: +1 | 16:43 |
| thingee | e0ne: I think we're fine with rally voting, but it should be doing what we expect it to do...verify performance. I think the best to figure this out is when it's non-voting | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | FWIW, just something to keep in mind. Rally has been really good at exposing race conditions that aren't caught elsewhere. Hard failures, nothing time or perf related | 16:44 |
| thingee | e0ne: can we get that going first and see what things look like before we switch it to voting? | 16:44 |
| deepakcs | winston-1: can u rather explain ... what does it vote based on ? | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | ok, we'll discuss in on Monday in the next rally meeting | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | deepakcs: whether it finished successfully or not | 16:44 |
| winston-1 | deepakcs: that's my understanding too | 16:45 |
| thingee | #info rally is great for exposing race conditions that aren't caught elsewhere | 16:45 |
| e0ne | thingee: i don't think that we can implement it fast enough with infra | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | deepakcs: and time is a factor only from the perspective of RPC or API timeouts | 16:45 |
| deepakcs | jgriffith: and whats the diff between that and other jobs ? Sorry for asking the same noobie q again, but i haven't got it yet | 16:45 |
| thingee | #info rally hasn't been verifying performance yet in Cinder. It would be good to have this first before it's voting. | 16:45 |
| deepakcs | jgriffith: IOW, how is rally different than others ? | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | deepakcs: rally is all about concurrency and doing LOTS of things in parallel and repeatedly | 16:45 |
| thingee | e0ne: why? | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | deepakcs: I call it the chaos monkey | 16:46 |
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| deepakcs | jgriffith: ok so 'try to confuse and catch if something got confused" :) | 16:46 |
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| e0ne | thingee: i'm not sure that infra proviced some storage(DB) for collecting data between jobs runs | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | deepakcs: I don't think that's the intent, but that's how I view it sometimes :) | 16:46 |
| winston-1 | jgriffith: not really, because it doesn't do anything trying to break the APIs it tests. | 16:46 |
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| thingee | e0ne: not sure I follow | 16:47 |
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| winston-1 | except for the load it generates | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: Nope, but it just randomly hammers the API with varying load | 16:47 |
| e0ne | thingee: to compare performance, we need to store job stats somewhere | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: which IMHO is pretty cool/useful | 16:47 |
| deepakcs | jgriffith: and how is that (concurrency in rally) different that running tempest (testr with --concurrency ) ? | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | winston-1: but my opinion on voting is a different matter | 16:47 |
| e0ne | deepakcs: it's defferent | 16:47 |
| eharney | e0ne: you can run the rally job w/o the patch, apply it, then run the same job, then you don't need to | 16:47 |
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| thingee | e0ne: I think that's a great thing for rally folks to figure out then. There was sort of this expectation that this is what we would get out of it. | 16:48 |
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| eharney | also would get the benefit of running on the same hardware etc | 16:48 |
| deepakcs | e0ne: sorry but need more info on 'how' its different.. is there a link that i can read up ? | 16:48 |
| e0ne | deepakcs: concurrence in rally == one run test in parallel, in tempest == run few tests in parallel | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | deepakcs: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally | 16:48 |
| e0ne | thingee: agree. we'll discuss in in the meeting | 16:48 |
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| thingee | e0ne: thank you | 16:49 |
| thingee | e0ne: anything else? | 16:49 |
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| deepakcs | jgriffith: e0ne thanks | 16:49 |
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| e0ne | thingee: only the question: what is our final decision for this topic? | 16:49 |
| thingee | #action e0ne to discuss with rally team about getting performance verification for Cinder and the infra requirements with that. | 16:49 |
| e0ne | is it still agreed? | 16:49 |
| thingee | e0ne: I don't think so. As I mentioned, I think it would be good to have this figured out and verified it's working while it's non-voting | 16:50 |
| winston-1 | thingee: +1 | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:50 |
| e0ne | thingee: it means it won't be voting for a months | 16:50 |
| thingee | e0ne: I think we agree it should be voting, just when it does the expectations we have. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | thingee: it's good point | 16:51 |
| e0ne | thingee: i'm really want to have this feature | 16:51 |
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| thingee | #topic Liberty Deadlines | 16:51 |
| e0ne | thingee: but for now, nobody can say when and how it could be implemented | 16:51 |
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| e0ne | thingee: it means, our exceptation for rally is different what rally is | 16:52 |
| thingee | I would like to say that specs/bps are in by the 31st. | 16:52 |
| thingee | by in, I mean approved | 16:52 |
| vilobhmm | ok | 16:53 |
| thingee | e0ne: lets talk in #openstack-cinder about it | 16:53 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : regarding nested quota driver i had posted question on mailing list would like to know what cinder team thinks about it…. | 16:53 |
| e0ne | thingee: ok, thanks | 16:53 |
| thingee | Here's the deal, we have feature freeze coming end of this month | 16:53 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | thingee: umm... isn't it next month? | 16:54 |
| thingee | #idea July 31st specs/bps have to be approved | 16:54 |
| jokke_ | Start of Sept | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | or actually first week of September? | 16:54 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yup | 16:54 |
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| thingee | 5 min warning | 16:55 |
| thingee | ok, I guess no one objects? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | thingee: just to avoid confusion, you meant "spec/bp freeze end of this month" and "feature freeze first week of Sept" right? | 16:55 |
| eharney | just as a data point re: July 31... i submitted a spec 8 days ago that hasn't had any review yet... not sure what to think about that on this timeline | 16:55 |
| thingee | #undo | 16:55 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Idea object at 0xaaa8590> | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Thank you for asking that. | 16:56 |
| thingee | #idea July 31st spec/bp freeze | 16:56 |
| thingee | #idea First week of september feature code freeze | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:56 |
| mtanino | I got it. | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: seems more than reasonable to me | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Should we do an etherpad to list review priorities? | 16:57 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I'll be doing one for L-2 later | 16:57 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thanks for the reminder | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Perfect! I appreciate those. | 16:58 |
| xyang3 | thingee: for the specs too? | 16:58 |
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| thingee | me too. they work out well for us | 16:58 |
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| thingee | xyang3: that's what it says. "spec/bp freeze" | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:58 |
| xyang3 | thingee: I mean etherpad for spec review? | 16:58 |
| thingee | xyang3: oh, I suppose I could. I just use the announcement portion of this meeting to let people know | 16:59 |
| thingee | but sure | 16:59 |
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| xyang3 | thingee: ok, thanks | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that would be good to have as well. | 16:59 |
| thingee | #agreed July 31st spec/bp freeze and code feature freeze first week of september for Liberty | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 22 17:00:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-22-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-22-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-22-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | THanks! | 17:00 |
| winston-1 | thx | 17:00 |
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| strony | May I ask a question about Cinder? I want to run the CLI, cinder create --source-volid xxx --volume-type abc(different from source volume type) 1. Is that supported? | 17:15 |
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| cebruns | strony: Head over to #openstack-cinder | 17:19 |
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| strony | OK. Thanks, cebruns | 17:21 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 22 21:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:01 |
| wbhuber | here | 21:01 |
| minwoob_ | Here | 21:01 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | ䷣ | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix | \o/ | 21:01 |
| ho | o/ | 21:01 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | yey | 21:01 |
| robefran | o/ | 21:01 |
| MooingLemur | 🐄 | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome! | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda for the meeting is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| janonymous | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | there's a few things to go over, but mostly I'd like to get an update of a few things | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic ops meetup | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ops meetup (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | first up, the openstack ops meetup is upcoming | 21:02 |
| redbo | hi | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-mid-cycle-meetup-tickets-17703258924 | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-meetup | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | this is a midcycle thing that is for people who run openstack | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | normally the conversation is around other projects than swift, but I do try to go to them all to represent and answer questions and listen | 21:03 |
| clayg | notmyname: thanks! | 21:03 |
| notmyname | if you're interested in attending, I wanted to make sure you had the info | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | this next one is in august in the Bay Area in california | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | ah, yes. palo alto | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | if you're interested and want more info, I'll do my best to help | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | #topic ongoing work | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | ok, for the stuff that's going on | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | first, I want to set the context: | 21:05 |
| notmyname | top priority in my mind right now is to take care of the outstanding EC bugs | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | when that happens, I want to cut a swift release | 21:06 |
| cutforth | sorry, i'm late | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | if we do that soon, we should be able to get another release for liberty with no problem rgiht at the end of the cycle | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | then there's the encryption work, which I'd love to have in liberty if possible, and the version/copy middleware refactors (which encryption depends on) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so let's take each of those in turn | 21:07 |
| notmyname | first up, EC bug status | 21:07 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.tag=ec | 21:07 |
| notmyname | the bug page looks pretty good, actually | 21:07 |
| notmyname | but there are a few that are still open | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | peluse had a conflict | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: can you give an overview of the current EC bug focus | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:08 |
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| clayg | what'd i do | 21:08 |
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| clayg | just pauls thing mainly | 21:08 |
| clayg | other than 503's on GET (you know minor stuff) it's startin' to look pretty good | 21:09 |
| notmyname | good | 21:09 |
| clayg | kota_: is still tracking down stuff with EC ranged requests | 21:09 |
| notmyname | is there one where reviews should be focused? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | thanks kota_! | 21:09 |
| clayg | ummm.... | 21:09 |
| notmyname | or are there any without patches yet? | 21:09 |
| minwoob_ | I have a couple that need review. | 21:09 |
| kota_ | : ) | 21:09 |
| minwoob_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196848/ | 21:09 |
| clayg | minwoob_: oh you added a probetest! | 21:10 |
| minwoob_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198909/ | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | minwoob_: thanks. | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | I want to keep the EC related reviews starred (I just starred those 2) | 21:10 |
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| clayg | is enospc one really EC related - it's just like better logging or something? | 21:11 |
| clayg | ... no tests | 21:12 |
| notmyname | I'll follow up with charz about https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1468708 which is the only EC bug that needs more info right now | 21:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468708 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "ssync receiver get an odd SSYNC command and raise a exception" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1468708 in swift "ssync receiver get an odd SSYNC command and raise a exception" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1468708 in swift "ssync receiver get an odd SSYNC command and raise a exception" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468708 | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | minwoob_: why is that one tagged EC? | 21:12 |
| torgomatic | thank you, everybot | 21:12 |
| clayg | torgomatic: lol! | 21:13 |
| redbo | I liked how the one bot triggered the other bot. | 21:13 |
| redbo | I wonder if there's some way to start a war | 21:13 |
| minwoob_ | notmyname: I think I opened it up when I was looking at another EC bug. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: seems like a pretty general sort of thing and not EC specific | 21:14 |
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| clayg | notmyname: minwoob_: yeah take the ec tag off that one | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | clayg: minwoob_: done | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ok, anything else to cover on EC? everyone know what to look at there? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | clayg: anything else on this topic? | 21:15 |
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| clayg | notmyname: the ec bug list is where its at | 21:15 |
| notmyname | ok, good | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: we had some great stuff merged | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: I really think EC beta is in good shape | 21:16 |
| notmyname | yup. thank you, everyone, for looking at all of that | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: well keep testing and polishing and come Tokyo... it'll practially be a thing! | 21:16 |
| notmyname | the last question on EC will be what is "required" for a new release vs what can wait until later | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | I'll be happy to work with clayg and peluse and kota_ on that later | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah i'd like to know more about what you mean there | 21:17 |
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| clayg | notmyname: every release from now on will have something that makes ec better in one way or another, so you can't make releases wait just cause ec is improving | 21:17 |
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| wbhuber | notmyname: what is required also is probably a better understanding of how performance improves using ec vs replication over time | 21:18 |
| notmyname | of course. the current EC beta is pretty broken for people who aren't tracking master. the question is if there is another known thing that hasn't been patched that would prevent people from using EC | 21:18 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: yeah, the perf comparisons are also an ongoing thing | 21:19 |
| clayg | oh - has there not been a swift release since Kilo?! | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yeah | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh oic | 21:19 |
| notmyname | err..right. there has been nothiing since kilo | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: well pauls patch is going to be huge - and kota's patches fix some stuff that's really importnat to get out of GA | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:19 |
| clayg | but the big blockers that were breaking reconsttruction are fixed | 21:19 |
| clayg | if other things are ready for a tag - let's do it - EC is still beta | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, good | 21:20 |
| notmyname | let's chat this week in IRC about it and perhaps we can do a release really soon, then! | 21:20 |
| * notmyname is happy about that | 21:20 | |
| clayg | me too | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, next up for ongoing work | 21:20 |
| notmyname | encryption | 21:21 |
| notmyname | jrichli put together a list of the big stuff this week. thanks for that | 21:21 |
| jrichli | np | 21:21 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so, as I understand it, there's of course a lot ot do, but the big issue is that there are some actual design choices that need to be made | 21:22 |
| notmyname | jrichli: can you expand on that? | 21:22 |
| jrichli | yes, it sort of depends on what issue you want to talk about | 21:22 |
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| jrichli | footers is hard because it will involve some refactoring of EC | 21:22 |
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| clayg | lets' talk about 38 patches to versioned writes middleware and - how many core reviews? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | clayg: yup. htat one's next | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | sorry about the 38 | 21:23 |
| notmyname | jrichli: the refactoring is because encryption needs footers and that's EC-only right now | 21:23 |
| jrichli | conditional GETS are hard because we need info saved-off with the object in order to decrypt the etag: not only iv, but crypto-alg used | 21:23 |
| notmyname | I think torgomatic has been wanting to unify that too | 21:24 |
| clayg | oh nm, everyone's looked at it at one point :'( | 21:24 |
| notmyname | jrichli: that's actually something I'm curious about | 21:24 |
| jrichli | notmyname: correct. I have talked with torgomatic on this, and I have identified some steps that I can take towards the real footers support. Also, acoles_away will be back next week to help with that. | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:24 |
| clayg | jrichli: I get the fake footers - and I'm keen on moving the middleware extractions forward | 21:25 |
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| clayg | jrichli: I don't understand the conditional get issue | 21:25 |
| notmyname | right now you're mentioning a few existing features that might not be possible with encryption. like conditional gets | 21:25 |
| clayg | jrichli: can you write up a tl;dr and a everything-you-need-to-know plus *OPTIONS* | 21:25 |
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| clayg | like realistically we could solve this by a) b) c) which suck for x) y) z) - now what? | 21:25 |
| jrichli | clayg: whaa? | 21:26 |
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| jrichli | clayg: oh, i see | 21:26 |
| clayg | jrichli: most of the time when I have a hard problem that I can't decide how to solve it's because all of my solutions suck | 21:26 |
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| clayg | but most of the time it's just a tradeoff thing - so you pick the least sucky | 21:26 |
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| jrichli | do I put this in the etherpad, or maybe keep that one a pristine list, and make a new one for expansions? | 21:26 |
| clayg | sometimes it takes rubber ducking it - or getting some more eyes to see which way is going to suck the less | 21:26 |
| clayg | ML, gist, etherpad, email it to notmyname and make him sort it out - w/e | 21:27 |
| notmyname | jrichli: I'd love for it in the current etherpad | 21:27 |
| kota_ | or spec? | 21:27 |
| clayg | oh god - not a spec | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | or in sky writing | 21:27 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:27 |
| notmyname | not in the spec for now. this is more about figuring out the ideas | 21:27 |
| kota_ | k | 21:27 |
| jrichli | ok, i will add options details to etherpad for the issues | 21:28 |
| notmyname | jrichli: thanks. I think that would be really helpful for everyone | 21:28 |
| notmyname | any other question on encryption right now? | 21:28 |
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| clayg | notmyname: three is enough | 21:28 |
| jrichli | I think we need a merge from main sometime soon | 21:29 |
| jrichli | s/main/master/ | 21:29 |
| notmyname | jrichli: it's good to do that very often. I can help with that. or peluse or acoles | 21:29 |
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| jrichli | oops - my clearcase is showing | 21:29 |
| redbo | just don't start one then abandon it | 21:29 |
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| clayg | if anyone uses vagrant-swift-all-in-one and wants to take a "quikc peek" at encyrption try the crypto branch and whatever-is-the-lastest-patch-jrichli-says-to-use-for-encrytpion-review and give it whirl | 21:29 |
| notmyname | redbo: gotta commit | 21:29 |
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| jrichli | latest is at patch 203454 | 21:30 |
| patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203454/ | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:30 |
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| clayg | jrichli: can you update the priority reviews wiki - we need a "end-of-the-chain" link | 21:30 |
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| jrichli | clayg: will do | 21:31 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok, now for the 38-patch-set middleware refactoring | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134347/ | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | this is a requirement for the copy middleware and the copy middleware is also a requirement for encryption (and good for other things too, I think) | 21:32 |
| clayg | so one part of that which has been tricky to review is the upgrade matrix testing | 21:32 |
| clayg | i think it's good now | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | clayg: do we have that in an etherpad or something anywhere? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | the upgrade matrix? ie what to look for? | 21:32 |
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| clayg | umm... tdasilva? | 21:32 |
| clayg | no i didn't write it down | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | nope | 21:32 |
| clayg | tdasilva: we should write that down | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | clayg: yeah, i'll think of something | 21:33 |
| clayg | tdasilva: you know what I mean? like w and w/o versions from no middleware to middleware with container option on/off to middleware on/off | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | that would be great to have | 21:34 |
| clayg | notmyname: we have better than that tho - we have working code now I think! | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | clayg, notmyname: understood, I can work on that | 21:34 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:34 |
| notmyname | tests pass! merge it! | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | the one after the versioning middleware patch is the copy middleware | 21:35 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ | 21:35 |
| notmyname | is there anything to say about that before the versioning one lands? | 21:35 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ? | 21:35 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: not really...just needs eyes... | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | ppai left a todo there | 21:36 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: so you'll work on typing up the different test options in the next few days? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | for the versioning one | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | which was based on a conversation i had with torgomatic | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | pfft it's only had 14 patchsets, early days yet :P | 21:36 |
| notmyname | *groan* | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | hahaha | 21:36 |
| clayg | no no no - we need these patches | 21:37 |
| notmyname | just look at the "update from global requirements" one ;-) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | it's at 200 I think | 21:37 |
| clayg | don't need that one | 21:37 |
| notmyname | right | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | wow | 21:37 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: i'll work on the matrix tomorrow | 21:37 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | will add a link as a comment on the pathc | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | goal before the next meeting is to merge the versioning middleware, with tdasilva's help by describing the different test scenarios to think about | 21:38 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | hummingbird | 21:38 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: redbo: what's going on in goland? | 21:38 |
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| clayg | i was in texas last week at my mom's place and this hummingbird was guarding the feeder - like dive bombing anyone else that tried to get close to it | 21:39 |
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| redbo | Things are trucking along. | 21:39 |
| notmyname | redbo: are there any plans yet to show relative performance differences between the 2? something in tokyo would be awesome | 21:39 |
| notmyname | request rates, resource usage, latency, etc | 21:40 |
| clayg | something in austin would be even better | 21:40 |
| redbo | Yeah, so vote for our talk, and we'll give you all the numbers you want :) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | indeed :-) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | umm..show the numbers no matter what ;-) | 21:40 |
| redbo | like.. pie charts. and pictographs | 21:40 |
| notmyname | pictographs of pie charts? | 21:40 |
| redbo | each pie chart represents 1,000 pie charts | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | but seriously, soemthign that can show the difference and methodology so others can reproduce it is crucial | 21:41 |
| redbo | Yeah, I'd like to have something moderately scientific by Austin. | 21:41 |
| MooingLemur | https://xkcd.com/688/ | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | awesome | 21:41 |
| clayg | well wait - we don't just need picture graphs | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: he said "moderately scientific" | 21:41 |
| clayg | yeah we need to get some method and goals written down so we're all in the same page | 21:42 |
| redbo | well, I'd like moderately scientific graphs, and also production graphs, which would probably be hard to reproduce. | 21:42 |
| notmyname | "build a 50PB cluster" can't be step 1 ;-) | 21:43 |
| clayg | in vancouver the plan was to use this cycle to validate that we want to pursue this in tree - i'm seeing rackspace make some solid incremental improvements to the go code base and I've more or less been able to "run it" barring a few missing features | 21:43 |
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| clayg | but I'm no where near being able to support it - I don't think any one is - the python and go object servers are continuing to diverge | 21:43 |
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| clayg | we still don't have any idea what a integration validation testing framework would look like (I think dfg said he had some python tests?) | 21:44 |
| notmyname | looks like there are some CI jobs that you're running redbo | 21:44 |
| clayg | really?! | 21:44 |
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| redbo | It's currently running one of our clusters. If you can tell which one it is, you win. | 21:44 |
| dfg_ | ha | 21:45 |
| notmyname | not openstack CI 3rd party stuff, jsut a bot that comments | 21:45 |
| redbo | Yeah, I just run swift functional tests with it. | 21:45 |
| dfg_ | how do you mean "continuing to diverge" ? | 21:45 |
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| clayg | dfg_: just that there's some pretty interesting behavioral changes that are being added to the go lang object servers | 21:45 |
| dfg_ | it should only be with replication | 21:46 |
| notmyname | I'm working with the openstack infra people this week to get the per-branch test jobs. redbo I'd love to get those as more normalized jobs | 21:46 |
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| clayg | like how the page cache is used, and when the fsyncs are done, when errors are returned if a disk is busy | 21:46 |
| notmyname | there's also been the multiple servers per port stuff on the python side (ie different deployment methods) | 21:46 |
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| dfg_ | oh that :) | 21:46 |
| redbo | That'd be fine. Right now it's just a jenkins box that runs go unit tests and swift functional tests backed by hummingbird. | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | redbo: ok, i should have more info for you next week | 21:46 |
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| clayg | dfg_: was that about all the awesome tricks you guys are adding to the go code, or about swifterdarrls awesome tricks he's been adding to the python code? | 21:47 |
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| redbo | most work right now is going into trying to make replication better. | 21:48 |
| dfg_ | clayg: no. i thought you were talking about the asyncronous container updates. | 21:49 |
| clayg | how are you measuring and quantifying "better" | 21:49 |
| dfg_ | replication passes mostly. | 21:49 |
| clayg | dfg_: well i guess that's one thing that both servers will have soon | 21:49 |
| redbo | What a handsome question, I'm glad you asked | 21:49 |
| dfg_ | clayg: ya thats what i thought | 21:49 |
| clayg | dfg_: although I don't think they decided on the same config options or behavior :'( | 21:49 |
| dfg_ | clayg: ya- we made it non configurable. | 21:49 |
| redbo | Reducing replication pass times (checkmark), and increasing the percentage of things that successfully sync (no checkmark) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | dfg_: what's the state of the hummingbird functionality. what's "mostly"? | 21:50 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: it should be 100% for object server. | 21:50 |
| dfg_ | and replication | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 21:50 |
| dfg_ | oh- for what we do. we don;t have storage policies for example | 21:51 |
| notmyname | have you had a chance to publish the obejct server tests yet? you mentioned somthign at the last summit | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ah | 21:51 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's a big deal ;-) | 21:51 |
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| dfg_ | ya- we know. we just haven;t done it yet | 21:51 |
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| dfg_ | there's a ton of work to be done and we're "prioritizing" :) | 21:52 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it's never going to XXX% the same | 21:52 |
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| dfg_ | ya | 21:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: people will make the things they care about work and the things they don't wont | 21:52 |
| notmyname | right | 21:52 |
| notmyname | so in austin we should expect to see some sort of test plan and some numbers that we can try to duplicate in our own clusters | 21:53 |
| clayg | notmyname: but what I would like to have is a place where I can put a test that shows - given this - the api does that | 21:53 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: ya thats sounds reasonable | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | I'm ok with limited fucntionality that's shown to be better. no need to require "must be perfect" before saying it's a real thign | 21:53 |
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| clayg | notmyname: and then I can setup some stuff to point those tests at a and b and start to quantify things that are known to be different - or write a test case when I think they sould be the same | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | I think we all want the same thing | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: do we? | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | clayg: well, it sounds like it | 21:54 |
| dfg_ | we can talk about that in austin :) | 21:55 |
| clayg | dfg_: redbo: in addition to numbers that are heavy in the methodology - are you interested in a test suite that will allow the community to collaborate on the implemeatino of the go server? | 21:55 |
| glange | http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/07/15/six-californias-tim-draper/12661161 <-- that's what we want in Texas | 21:55 |
| notmyname | the first thing is being able to have more than "we said it was faster" and actually be able to have something that is reproducable | 21:55 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: +1 | 21:55 |
| notmyname | clayg: that's a great question | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: well there's like a whole deployment issue thing | 21:55 |
| redbo | clayg: a test suite to allow collaboration? how do you mean? | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: like I can't just take my existing chef & puppet and point it at the hummingbird branch and deploy | 21:56 |
| notmyname | why is that a requirement for contributing to it? | 21:56 |
| redbo | Oh. Maybe. I don't know how any of that stuff works. | 21:56 |
| dfg_ | clayg: ya- i just don't want to put the cart in front of the horse i guess. i'd like for the code base to be more fleshed out before we get a ton of new stuff added | 21:57 |
| notmyname | maybe I'm confusing the prod/vSAIO issues | 21:57 |
| dfg_ | and we have very specific things we need solved | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | dfg_: I'd love to put those on the wiki so we can see where the areas of focus need to be | 21:57 |
| clayg | notmyname: redbo: I think i'm saying that if there's a place to write tests that can run on both servers - someone will write a test that works on python on fails on go (storage policies, ec, w/e) - then they'll want to make a patch that fixes the test | 21:57 |
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| dfg_ | notmyname: i think we should wait for the hackathon. would be more productive i think | 21:58 |
| notmyname | clayg: got it | 21:58 |
| notmyname | dfg_: there's a lot of days between now and the hackathon. no need to add delays | 21:58 |
| redbo | Oh, yeah. That'd be nice. We kind of have that, but for some reason it grew weird arms where it wants to restart processes and talk to both servers at the same time and stuff. | 21:58 |
| clayg | notmyname: see what dfg_ said - I think this is basically still a rackspace experiment? Maybe merged to mainstrain is not a Tokyo goal? | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | I think we are going to run out of time | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: :-) | 21:58 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: and in those days I want to get better answers :) | 21:59 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: well we have BOTH dfg and redbo talking to us - it's like Christmas in July! | 21:59 |
| redbo | So in conclusion, vote for me | 21:59 |
| clayg | lol - love it! | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: +1 | 21:59 |
| tdasilva | so is the plan still to "use this cycle to validate that we want to pursue this in tree" or to have it merged but tokyo timeframe? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | that's a happy note to end on. we're out of time | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: validate. not merge, IMO | 22:00 |
| notmyname | if it bears fruit, then figure out what it means to have it "upstream" | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift! | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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