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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 14:08:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: ping | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ping | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: hi | 14:08 |
| kun_huang | :) let's start | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ping | 14:08 |
| stpierre | pong | 14:08 |
| yingjun | :) | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | oanufriev: ping | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | yingjun: hi | 14:08 |
| yingjun | hi | 14:09 |
| redixin | hi | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Meeting agenda and how to make people work on it not at the very last moment | 14:10 |
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| boris-42 | okay guys it's not ok to make agenda at very last point of time... | 14:10 |
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| boris-42 | any ideas how to improve this? | 14:10 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:11 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: maybe ask responsible man to repeat agenda by email at friday ? | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: ^ | 14:12 |
| stpierre | yeah, an earlier deadline is the only way that's going to happen. otherwise people will always remember something they want to add just before meeting time | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: maybe it's better not on friday? | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: yep but today it was empty * | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: 30 minutes ago | 14:13 |
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| rvasilets | Sorry, but now meeting manager stpierre, no? | 14:13 |
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| stpierre | i think a friday deadline makes sense | 14:14 |
| rvasilets | I was sent email previously at thursday | 14:14 |
| rvasilets | As boris-42 suggested to me | 14:14 |
| stpierre | oh, i didn't even realize that was part of the job | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: so I believe you can just | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: send reminders | 14:14 |
| temujin | hi all | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: so we would avoid such situtations | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | temujin: hi therer | 14:14 |
| rvasilets | ok, I will sent reminders | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: thanks | 14:15 |
| rvasilets | at what day you want? | 14:15 |
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| rvasilets | friday ok7 | 14:15 |
| yingjun | maybe anyone remember this may send email on friday? | 14:15 |
| rvasilets | #vote | 14:15 |
| rvasilets | #vote +1 | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | what about Thursday? | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | because Friday is hard day | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | #vote for thursday | 14:17 |
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| kun_huang | both okay for me :) | 14:17 |
| yingjun | #vote +1 | 14:17 |
| rvasilets | its reasonable too | 14:17 |
| rvasilets | so lets it would be thursday? | 14:18 |
| stpierre | thursday sounds good for a reminder | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | okay | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | #agreed meeting reminder on Thursday | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | okay next topic | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Splitting Rally framework and OpenStack (updates) | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | Okay there were few patches | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | that makes rally framework independet from OpenStack | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202366/ | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | is required for patch that will make our context responsible for mapping resources for each scenario iteration | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | e.g. I will move this code https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/runner.py#L47-L58 | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | to ContextManager | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | I am going to publish this patch today later | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | any questions? | 14:21 |
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| amaretskiy | no questions | 14:22 |
| kun_huang | nope | 14:22 |
| rvasilets | no | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | great so after this step | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | we will have just 2 more things to refactor | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | task.verification and task.types | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | to run rally tasks with OpenStack clouds | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | and finally be able to start working on tox-self | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | functional testing that can be run without cloud | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | okay moving to next topic | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Support of benchmarking multi API versions of projects with same plugins | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | So recently we introduced openstack scenario https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/plugins/openstack/scenario.py | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | It means that now we have place for OpenStack magic | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | that won't affect rally framework | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | so the idea is that we will have special context for openstack_api_versions | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | where you can specify info what python clients to create | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | and there will be validator for all scenarios (which versions they support) | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | and a bit magic in osclients and openstack.scenario to make this work | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | so overall it will be simple patch | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | any questions? | 14:28 |
| rvasilets | look forward to you "a bit magic". No | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | great! no questions | 14:28 |
| kun_huang | the purpose is good but it seems a bit magic | 14:28 |
| kun_huang | do we need multiple python clients? | 14:28 |
| stpierre | will it be trivial to test multiple versions in the same task? or will we need to specify multiple task configs to test, say, user creation on keystone v2 and v3? | 14:29 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: no we don't need it | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: we will be able to test different versions in the same task | 14:30 |
| stpierre | awesome | 14:30 |
| stpierre | do you have an example of how the task config will look? | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: with the same benchamrks =) | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: just one more conetxt | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: "openstack_api": {"cinder": 2} | 14:31 |
| kun_huang | okay, look forward on this | 14:31 |
| stpierre | will lists work? e.g., {"keystone": [2, 3]} would run the scenario with keystone v2 and v3? | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: nope | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: you have to speicfy to different test case | 14:31 |
| stpierre | okay, so i will need to duplicate the config | 14:31 |
| stpierre | that's kind of a shame. could we make lists work? | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: use jinja2 template | 14:32 |
| stpierre | oh! | 14:32 |
| stpierre | good, carry on :) | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: it's bad idea to break the logic | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: of whole rally | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and idea of having simple task format without any magic | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: to make from one scenario 2 | 14:33 |
| stpierre | yeah, makes sense | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | especially when you can make a for with 2 args | 14:33 |
| stpierre | i wasn't thinking of how backwards that would be | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: I mean there is nothing non backward in my proposal | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: we are just adding via context info about required versions and use them when we are initializing clients in openstack.scneario class | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: +verificators | 14:35 |
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| stpierre | yeah, it all makes sense | 14:35 |
| stpierre | thanks | 14:35 |
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| e0ne | boris-42: it's great! | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | okay guys | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | next topic | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [amaretskiy] Status for patches related to new streaming Reports generation: | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | there were some comments regarding changes in these patches, so last week I implemented these changes | 14:39 |
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| amaretskiy | and now all patches are done - I'm currently trying to get +1 from jenkins for some of them | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | making recheck and fixing issues | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | so now at least 2 patches are ready for review right now | 14:40 |
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| amaretskiy | these patches are: | 14:40 |
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| amaretskiy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201611/ | 14:40 |
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| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201611/ | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | #link ps://review.openstack.org/#/c/159458/ | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | another patches in thread (all patches are in dependency) are on their way to get +1 from gates | 14:41 |
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| amaretskiy | so please make reviews | 14:41 |
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| rvasilets | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159458/ | 14:42 |
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| amaretskiy | rvasilets: thanks | 14:42 |
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| amaretskiy | so, please review them | 14:42 |
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| amaretskiy | I believe other 2 patches (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146814/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169828/) will be ready today | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | but in any case they are ready for review too | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | eom | 14:43 |
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| kun_huang | rvasilets: no problems | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok thanks | 14:45 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok thanks | 14:45 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok thanks | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | test | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | test | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | :) | 14:46 |
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| boris-42 | ping | 14:49 |
| rvasilets | boris-42, pomg | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets | #topic Ironic benchmarks | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | p | 14:50 |
| rvasilets | ok lets move further | 14:50 |
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| rvasilets | I have finished Ironuc benchmarks | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | *Ironic | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186064/ | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | And now I strongly need for review | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | I have requesteed a few times for a wekk in Rally irc chat for review | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | ppp | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | and Yair promised to me to review it a week ago | 14:52 |
| rvasilets | but there is now review from core teeam on this patch | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets | also it was reviewed by Ironuc cores few times | 14:52 |
| rvasilets | So please review it | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets | #help need review | 14:53 |
| rvasilets | boris-42, eom | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | test | 14:53 |
| rvasilets | #topic free discussion | 14:53 |
| rvasilets | is there any question? | 14:53 |
| amaretskiy | no | 14:54 |
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| kun_huang | nope | 14:54 |
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| yingjun | any progress about API? | 14:55 |
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| amaretskiy | yingjun: do you mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182245/ ? | 14:56 |
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| kun_huang | yingjun: it is just updated before meeting | 14:56 |
| boris-42_ | ping | 14:56 |
| boris-42_ | whou works | 14:56 |
| rvasilets | boris-42_, pong | 14:56 |
| yingjun | amaretskiy, yep | 14:56 |
| boris-42_ | not sure that I will be able to end meeting | 14:56 |
| rvasilets | boris-42_, I will end | 14:56 |
| boris-42_ | rvasilets: you can't end the meeting | 14:57 |
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| rvasilets | yingjun, as I understand It now on review | 14:58 |
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| rvasilets | and after amaretskiy finished his report he will take part on it maintance | 14:58 |
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| amaretskiy | kun_huang: please remind who handle spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182245/ ? I thought that is you :) | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 14:59:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-20-14.08.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-20-14.08.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-20-14.08.log.html | 14:59 |
| kun_huang | amaretskiy: yep | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: rvasilets let's continue disucssion in rally chat | 14:59 |
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| asselin_ | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 15:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| asselin_ | hi, who's here for third party meeting? | 15:00 |
| pots | pots is here | 15:01 |
| asselin_ | anteaya asked me to chair today | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede_ | hi | 15:01 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 15:01 |
| asselin_ | I don't see any agenda, so any topics anyone would like to bring up? | 15:02 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: so there were some problems with infra git farm | 15:03 |
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| asselin_ | mmedvede, how recently? | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | and there were assumptions that third-party systems all try to build images at the same time | 15:04 |
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| asselin_ | yeah....that's possible | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | so it is more of an announcement, to use non-default time for nodepool image build :) | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | or to switch to DIB | 15:05 |
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| asselin_ | any way to know who/how many systems? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: I only saw a part of the discussion in infra channel. Did not see any finger pointing | 15:07 |
| asselin_ | #topic third party ci image building may be causing excessive load on infra git farm | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I think the evidence was that it happened around the time of default cron job for nodepool snapshot update | 15:08 |
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| asselin_ | yeah, I have all my ci systems on the same time also, which doesn't help our local network either | 15:09 |
| asselin_ | Should we send an e-mail / update the 3rd party ci wiki page? | 15:10 |
| mmedvede | we have two independent nodepool servers, so I did fan them out. But nodepool does not allow fan out image build within a single server | 15:11 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: there probably should be a recommendation somewhere to say not to use default time | 15:11 |
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| asselin_ | here perhaps? http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 15:11 |
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| rhe00_ | am I reading the nodepool default right that is set to update at 14:14 every day? | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: you have a setup script that many third-party ci use, does it copy default nodepool.yaml, or leaves it to the user? | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, it copies the default | 15:13 |
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| mmedvede | rhe00_: yes, 14:14 is the time that should not be used :) | 15:13 |
| rhe00_ | ok | 15:13 |
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| asselin_ | #action asselin update the nodepool.yaml template to use non-default and ask users to pick a random time | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | we are using 8:00 utc | 15:13 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: +1 for adding good etiquette to the third party doc | 15:14 |
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| krtaylor | +1 might be a good thing to add to the docs | 15:15 |
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| asselin_ | ok anything else or nexy topic? | 15:16 |
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| asselin_ | next* | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | nexy works too | 15:16 |
| asselin_ | :) | 15:17 |
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| ameade | o/ | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | how are everyone's ci systems doing? | 15:18 |
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| asselin_ | #topic how are everyone's ci systems doing? | 15:19 |
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| rhe00_ | I currently have encrypted volumes test disabled... does it require a driver change to support that test? | 15:19 |
| rhe00_ | it seemed to fail for a while | 15:19 |
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| asselin_ | rhe00_, yes, the tempest test was a false positive | 15:20 |
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| asselin_ | i think therer was a cinder e-mail or notice in a meeting about that | 15:20 |
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| ameade | seems like a bunch of cinder 3rd party cis havent voted in a number of days | 15:21 |
| akerr | there are also open nova bugs related to the tests | 15:21 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199709/ | 15:22 |
| rhe00_ | asselin: I remember the encrypted volumes test being a false positive but I thought the change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193673/ was made above the volume drivers, so it should be transparent at the driver level? | 15:22 |
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| rhe00_ | that's why I was surprised to see that some CI's passed after that change and some failed on encrypted volume tests. | 15:23 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, well I know both our drivers do the right thing....we fixed them in Kilo | 15:24 |
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| akerr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1463525 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463525 in Cinder "There is no volume encryption metadata for rbd-backed volumes" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1463525 in nova "There is no volume encryption metadata for rbd-backed volumes" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:25 |
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| akerr | needs fixed in nova as well, so might not be related to your driver | 15:26 |
| asselin_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1440227 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440227 in Cinder "Not all volume drivers set the 'encrypted' key in connection_info" [Medium,Fix committed] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1440227 in cinder "Not all volume drivers set the 'encrypted' key in connection_info" [Medium,Fix committed] | 15:26 |
| asselin_ | ^^ this bug has links to how we fixed it in 3par | 15:26 |
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| asselin_ | #link cinde encryped volumes bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1440227 | 15:27 |
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| asselin_ | #link 3par fix for encrypted volume: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170346/ | 15:27 |
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| asselin_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1439855 encrypted iSCSI volume fails to attach, name too long | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439855 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "encrypted iSCSI volume fails to attach, name too long" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nha Pham (phqnha) | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1439869 encrypted iSCSI volume attach fails when iscsi_use_multipath is enabled | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1439861 encrypted iSCSI volume attach fails to attach when multipath-tools installed | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1432490 TestEncryptedCinderVolumes cryptsetup name is too long | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439869 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "encrypted iSCSI volume attach fails when iscsi_use_multipath is enabled" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Tomoki Sekiyama (tsekiyama) | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1439855 in nova "encrypted iSCSI volume fails to attach, name too long" [Medium,In progress] | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1439869 in nova "encrypted iSCSI volume attach fails when iscsi_use_multipath is enabled" [Medium,In progress] | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1439861 in nova "encrypted iSCSI volume attach fails to attach when multipath-tools installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439861 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "encrypted iSCSI volume attach fails to attach when multipath-tools installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1432490 in tempest "TestEncryptedCinderVolumes cryptsetup name is too long (dup-of: 1439855)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439855 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "duplicate for #1432490 encrypted iSCSI volume fails to attach, name too long" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nha Pham (phqnha) | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | some more related bugs we've found ^^ | 15:29 |
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| akerr | thats a lot of bugs | 15:30 |
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| asselin_ | yes it is | 15:31 |
| asselin_ | that's what happens when people start testing, you find issues :) | 15:31 |
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| asselin_ | anything else on this? | 15:32 |
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| asselin_ | any other topics? | 15:33 |
| asselin_ | ok I have one: | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | #topic common-ci migration | 15:34 |
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| asselin_ | anyone else migrating to the common-ci solution? | 15:34 |
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| asselin_ | (it's not done, but can still start the process) | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | anyone not know what that is? | 15:35 |
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| asselin_ | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html | 15:36 |
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| pots | i think i understand the concept but not what it means in practice | 15:36 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: we are migrating gradually | 15:36 |
| asselin_ | pots, in practice, it means we'll be all maintaining a single solution | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | <- is here now, thanks asselin_ | 15:37 |
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| asselin_ | pots, features added, bugs fixed, etc can be done using gerrit | 15:38 |
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| asselin_ | so peer reviewed, tested (that's WIP) | 15:38 |
| rhe00_ | we are getting there. I wish we could all use the same image as well. | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | it also means the setup costs will go down | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | rhe00_: the same image? | 15:39 |
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| rhe00_ | the same image snapshot for nodepool | 15:39 |
| mmedvede | rhe00_: I doubt it is possible. At least for our ci, we use ppc arch image | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, not sure that would work for us | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | let's work towards using what we have, make sure it is well documented and then see where we are after that | 15:40 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, but we reuse much of the image-build scripts as possible, and modify what we need (e.g. corporate proxy, pypi mirros, etc.) | 15:40 |
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| rhe00_ | asselin: yes | 15:41 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, are you using DIB? | 15:41 |
| rhe00_ | asselin: no, I have not looked into that | 15:42 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, I cannot recommend it enough | 15:42 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, b/c it will cache a ton of data, so image builds are incremental | 15:42 |
| anteaya | infra would love as many folks using dib as possible | 15:42 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I looked into dib, and the problem for us is that it uses chroot, which requires nodepool to be the same arch as the image it builds | 15:43 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: have you made any headway here? | 15:43 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: yes, still looking if it is possible to workaround chroot problem | 15:43 |
| rhe00_ | asselin: ok, I will see if I can find some time to experiment with dib | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, that saves a ton of network resources. Downloading fully built images wouldn't be much better. | 15:43 |
| asselin_ | rhe00_, also, in my experience, it's much easier to use, debug, etc. | 15:44 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: basically, if nodepool worked on fedora, we could switch to dib sooner. It would take much more effort with the way things are now | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | ah yes, while we do have tests for openstack services to run on fedora we don't do the same for infra tools | 15:45 |
| anteaya | :( | 15:45 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I still can try to bringup a ubuntu server with ppc arch, and to dib builds here, just would take longer :) | 15:46 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, why doesn't it work (briefly) | 15:46 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: our nodepool VM uses ubuntu x86, but we want to build ppc image in it | 15:47 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: I understand, yes infra uses ubuntu os for all our tools | 15:47 |
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| nikeshm_ | hi | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | what is ppc? | 15:47 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: dib builder uses chroot, which breaks if you try chroot into ppc64 from x86 | 15:47 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, nodepool doesn't run on fedora? | 15:47 |
| nikeshm_ | my CIs are doing well now, but i am facing these failures some time http://paste.openstack.org/show/391923/ | 15:48 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: ppc=PowerPC | 15:48 |
| anteaya | found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ppc64 | 15:48 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | nikeshm_: we are in the middle of a topic, can you wait your turn please? | 15:48 |
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| nikeshm_ | sure | 15:49 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: it is probably possible to get nodepool running. But the effort of rewriting puppet scripts and dealing with incompatibilities would be significant | 15:49 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:49 |
| asselin_ | mmedvede, ok I see | 15:49 |
| asselin_ | #topic open discussion | 15:50 |
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| banix | @kevinbenton are you here by any chance? question on ovs plugin | 15:51 |
| anteaya | banix: do you realize you are in the third party meeting? | 15:51 |
| asselin_ | nikeshm_, line 251 shows you that devstack failed. Look at the log file mentioned in line 246 | 15:51 |
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| banix | anteaya: no didn’t realize; my appologies | 15:52 |
| anteaya | banix: np, hope you find kevin | 15:52 |
| nikeshm_ | asselin_ : thanks, also sometimes i get 'not a configured node now' | 15:52 |
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| asselin_ | nikeshm_, can you provide more context? | 15:53 |
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| nikeshm_ | asselin_ : sure looking | 15:53 |
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| asselin_ | anyone else has something to bring up for last 5 minutes? | 15:55 |
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| anteaya | thanks for chairing the meeting asselin_, I appreciate it | 15:56 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, you're welcome | 15:57 |
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| nikeshm_ | asselin_: http://paste.openstack.org/show/391994/ | 15:59 |
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| asselin_ | nikeshm_, let's take this offline since the meeting is basically done now | 15:59 |
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| asselin_ | nikeshm_, in cinder channel | 15:59 |
| nikeshm_ | sure | 15:59 |
| asselin_ | #end-meeting | 15:59 |
| asselin_ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 16:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-20-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-20-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-20-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| anteaya | asselin_: what channel? I would like to track the discussion | 16:00 |
| anteaya | ah cinder thanks | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 16:00:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| ^Gal^_ | Hi all | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| gpaz | hi | 16:01 |
| melisha | Hi | 16:01 |
| LimorStotland | hi * | 16:01 |
| xylan_kong | hi, guys | 16:01 |
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| NikolayM | so, let's start | 16:01 |
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| akuznetsova | hi | 16:01 |
| NikolayM | #topic Review action items | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| NikolayM | 1. rakhmerov: completely review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/expiration-policies-for-executions | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | done | 16:02 |
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| gpaz | is it really done or still things that we need to discuss ? | 16:02 |
| gpaz | done mean we agree on everything ? | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | I plan to discuss this on meeting today | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | 2. rakhmerov: review and discuss Lingxian's proposal about removing wf_trace module | 16:03 |
| gpaz | ok | 16:03 |
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| NikolayM | it seems this one is not done | 16:03 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: yeah | 16:04 |
| LimorStotland | do we have bp for wf_trace ? | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | still need to talk about that | 16:04 |
| NikolayM | so, xylan_kong, can I review this proposal? | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | can you give a link? | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | yes, sure, actually i sent it before to openstack-dev | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | ok, i'll get the link then send it to our irc channel | 16:04 |
| LimorStotland | i would like it also... | 16:05 |
| xylan_kong | please record an action for me | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | I assign it on myself | 16:05 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: ok, thanks | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | #action NikolayM: review and discuss Lingxian's proposal about removing wf_trace module | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | let's move on | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | #topic Current status | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:06 | |
| NikolayM | let's tell our status | 16:07 |
| LimorStotland | my status : I am working on pushing the puppet-mistral to the community and today i started the qpis | 16:07 |
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| xylan_kong | my status: keep my review work; completed the code of service api feature and workflow query pagination support for mistral, waiting for review | 16:07 |
| melisha | I will update for Liat - she published the BP for tasks screen (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/tasks-screen-improvments) - she will start once approved | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^_ | I'm still on the executions ui, had some progress, though it was a hectic week and I didn't get to program as much as i wanted. we added 2 more blueprints today that I would love you all take a look https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-cron-trigger-screen https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/tasks-screen-improvments | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | my status: repaired functional tests, worked on API auth patch, did backports to stable/kilo and today I am fixing execution state_info bug | 16:08 |
| gpaz | my status: started to work on ‘expiration policy for execution’, I have a very basic flow that works … | 16:09 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: thanks for picking up state_info bug | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | ^Gal^_, good blueprints! | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | thanks! | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^_ | thanks :) the whole team helped | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | yes, I am trying to fix that | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | my status: just review the commits | 16:10 |
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| NikolayM | ok, next topic | 16:11 |
| NikolayM | #topic Expiration policy for executions discussion | 16:11 |
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| NikolayM | etherpad link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/expiration-policies-for-executions | 16:12 |
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| NikolayM | so, almost all of us already saw this etherpad and reviewed | 16:13 |
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| xylan_kong | yes | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | i think the whole idea is good | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | we can continue with code work | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | and see more details | 16:14 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:15 |
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| xylan_kong | so, like what i said this afternoon, gpaz, please go ahead with implementation | 16:15 |
| gpaz | I do, thanks | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | but i don't know we could land it to l-2 | 16:16 |
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| akuznetsova | it is a good feature, we should not forget to prepare some documentation for this in future | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: when will l-2 release? | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | IMO, it needs some API for configuration criterias per user, what do you think? | 16:16 |
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| gpaz | when is l-2 ? | 16:17 |
| NikolayM | July 29 | 16:17 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: right, doc is very, very poor for mistral now | 16:17 |
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| gpaz | well, not l-2 | 16:17 |
| akuznetsova | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 16:17 |
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| akuznetsova | gpaz, liberty-2 (Jul 28-30) | 16:17 |
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| akuznetsova | oh, Nikolay already answered) | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | guys, i propose we pay more attention to doc in l-3 | 16:18 |
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| xylan_kong | it's so important for newbees coming to mistral contribution | 16:19 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, fully agree with you cause we have official docs, but it is in terrible status now | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, agree | 16:19 |
| melisha | #container { | 16:19 |
| melisha | display: table; | 16:19 |
| melisha | } | 16:19 |
| melisha | #row { | 16:19 |
| melisha | display: table-row; | 16:19 |
| melisha | } | 16:19 |
| melisha | #left, #right, #middle { | 16:19 |
| melisha | display: table-cell; | 16:19 |
| melisha | } | 16:19 |
| melisha | Sorry working on UI on another window :-) | 16:19 |
| ^Gal^_ | lol | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | :) | 16:19 |
| gpaz | I m not sure I understand, The concern is to add documentation for the ‘expiration policy’ ? | 16:19 |
| xylan_kong | :) | 16:19 |
| akuznetsova | :-) | 16:20 |
| gpaz | or in general ? | 16:20 |
| xylan_kong | gpaz: no, i mean, for mistral | 16:20 |
| LimorStotland | in general ... | 16:20 |
| xylan_kong | and a good doc will help to clarify something historically | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | #topic Open discussion | 16:20 |
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| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: i remember you have concentrated on that before, right? | 16:21 |
| akuznetsova | akuznetsova, concentrated on what ?) | 16:21 |
| akuznetsova | oops | 16:21 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, ^ | 16:22 |
| NikolayM | akuznetsova, on docs? | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: doc effort | 16:22 |
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| xylan_kong | do you? | 16:22 |
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| akuznetsova | I am worry about it, but I did not write it) | 16:23 |
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| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: ok, sorry, maybe i misremembered | 16:23 |
| akuznetsova | I can start transferring some wiki articles to our official docs | 16:24 |
| xylan_kong | but anyway, we need a plan for that | 16:24 |
| xylan_kong | is there any English native speaker in our team? | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | or I can prepare plan for what we have and what we need to describe | 16:25 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: yes, we could start from transfering wiki docs | 16:25 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: sound good! | 16:25 |
| melisha | xylan_kong: Nice job on the pagination API. Is someone already assigned for doing the same for executions and tasks so we could build the UI with it? | 16:26 |
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| xylan_kong | melisha: you mean the UI or the other resource pagination in server side? | 16:26 |
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| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, I think no, I mean there are no English native speakers in our team, or maybe I don't know about somebody) | 16:27 |
| melisha | Server side support for other entities | 16:27 |
| melisha | akuznetsova, xylan_kong: We don't have native speakers in our team | 16:28 |
| xylan_kong | i will continue pagination with other resources if most of us have no rejection about current implementation for workflows | 16:28 |
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| xylan_kong | melisha: ok, pity | 16:28 |
| xylan_kong | but never mind, i think it's ok | 16:28 |
| xylan_kong | we did good before | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | s/rejection/objection | 16:29 |
| melisha | xylan_kong: I left some small comment in the review but it looks good to me | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | melisha: certainly, if there are some guys in the position for help | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | melisha: i'll appreciate | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | melisha: yes, thanks, i saw | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | will handle tomorrow when i'm in office | 16:30 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, I left my comments there, on the review | 16:30 |
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| xylan_kong | NikolayM: yes, will check them tomorrow | 16:31 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | thanks guys | 16:31 |
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| xylan_kong | NikolayM: for the doc, is it worth for an action? | 16:32 |
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| NikolayM | what do you mean exactly? | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | doc improvement | 16:33 |
| akuznetsova | I will check for bp, if there is no one, I will create it | 16:34 |
| NikolayM | yes, I can try | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: yes, you got me | 16:34 |
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| LimorStotland | i think we do need to map what we have and what we don't have and next week at the meeting discussed plan for it | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: good suggestion | 16:35 |
| akuznetsova | LimorStotland, yes, that's what I proposed earlier | 16:35 |
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| gpaz | LimorStotland, great idea | 16:35 |
| akuznetsova | NikolayM, could you please create action item for that for the next meeting ? | 16:36 |
| LimorStotland | ok so i agree with akuznetsova :-) | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | yes, sure | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | #action NikolayM: map what we have and what we don't have in our docs and next week at the meeting discuss plan for it | 16:37 |
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| akuznetsova | oh, look what I've found https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-documentation | 16:37 |
| akuznetsova | it was created a year ago) | 16:37 |
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| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: yes, we can continue that | 16:38 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, we can _start_ it) | 16:38 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: hehe | 16:38 |
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| NikolayM | so if you have no more questions, we can wrap up the meeting | 16:40 |
| akuznetsova | btw, as you may see there is a problem with rally-gate, I already talked with guys from rally team and they said that it is a problem in the installation script, so I will continue to communicate with them to finally find out where the root of this proiblem | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: appreciate that | 16:41 |
| melisha | Did you happen to see BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/support-large-datasets? | 16:42 |
| NikolayM | melisha, yes, I saw this | 16:42 |
| xylan_kong | melisha: yes, i also read that today | 16:42 |
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| melisha | I think it is important for real life use cases. Do you have any thoughts / comments about it? When I simply tried to increase column size - Mistral had a core dump with segmentation fault | 16:43 |
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| melisha | How much memory is allocated to the Python process? | 16:43 |
| NikolayM | melisha, why should we use mediumtext? Can we use longtext? | 16:44 |
| NikolayM | we already use it for input_context and output | 16:44 |
| melisha | NikolayM: We can bug this means that the user will be able to place up to 4GB in every column | 16:44 |
| melisha | NikolayM: I know - not sure that is good... | 16:45 |
| LimorStotland | i am afraid that longtext will be too big.. | 16:45 |
| NikolayM | Yes, it will be a real big dataset | 16:45 |
| akuznetsova | we don't have such a big objects | 16:46 |
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| NikolayM | we can support that | 16:46 |
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| NikolayM | what if we need to process more than 16 MB? say, 40 MB or more? | 16:47 |
| melisha | NikolayM: I agree it might be a use case although it is a lot... | 16:47 |
| akuznetsova | NikolayM, we need to choose between 16 mb and 4 gb ? | 16:47 |
| melisha | We can use longtext and place an application validation before INSERT / UPDATE | 16:48 |
| melisha | Make the limitation configurable | 16:48 |
| NikolayM | sounds good | 16:48 |
| melisha | That way the user will also get a good error message instead of "DBError Data too long" | 16:49 |
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| melisha | Do you have an idea why the segmentation fault occurred? just so we will start looking at the right direction | 16:50 |
| LimorStotland | i like the configuration idea... +1 melisha :-) | 16:50 |
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| xylan_kong | i suggest we explore how other projects do that, maybe there is already an existing solution (maybe not) | 16:52 |
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| xylan_kong | for example, nova has column for use data, etc., but i'm not sure it's the same thing with what we met in mistral | 16:53 |
| melisha | xylan_kong: OK. I agree. I know that in Heat they truncate the data before insert / update (for example, with "status_reason") | 16:53 |
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| NikolayM | Sahara uses its own big type for binaries based on Longtext | 16:54 |
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| xylan_kong | or, for mysql itself. (i don't know, i'm not expert for that) | 16:55 |
| xylan_kong | just a suggestion | 16:55 |
| LimorStotland | nova on user_data use MediumText | 16:55 |
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| LimorStotland | it's looks like every project do something else | 16:57 |
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| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: yep, we just found a way fits mistral | 16:57 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:58 |
| LimorStotland | yep | 16:58 |
| xylan_kong | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-documentation | 16:59 |
| NikolayM | I like idea with limitation in config | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | guys, we are out of our time | 16:59 |
| NikolayM | so, let's shut down the meeting | 16:59 |
| melisha | OK. I will update BP | 16:59 |
| NikolayM | bye ! | 16:59 |
| melisha | Thanks | 16:59 |
| melisha | Bye | 16:59 |
| LimorStotland | bye | 16:59 |
| xylan_kong | ok, bye | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | bye | 16:59 |
| NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 16:59:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-07-20-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| gpaz | ciao | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-07-20-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-07-20-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| ^Gal^_ | bye | 17:00 |
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| rluethi | sarob, you there? | 17:03 |
| rluethi | anyone else here for the training-guides meeting? | 17:04 |
| vigneshvar | hi | 17:04 |
| rluethi | hi vigneshvar | 17:04 |
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| rluethi | looks like it is only the two of us. | 17:05 |
| vigneshvar | how are you. I thought the timing got changed | 17:05 |
| vigneshvar | so i was searching in wiki for the new time | 17:05 |
| rluethi | they talked about wanting to change the time, but they never talked about what time to change it to. | 17:05 |
| rluethi | so nothing changed, as far as I know. | 17:06 |
| rluethi | let's do this quick, then | 17:06 |
| rluethi | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 17:06:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:06 |
| rluethi | #topic reviews | 17:06 |
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| dbite_p | Hello | 17:07 |
| rluethi | vigneshvar, do you have any idea why the floating ips take that much time to get announced? | 17:07 |
| rluethi | hi dbite_p | 17:08 |
| vigneshvar | I was planning to check that today | 17:08 |
| vigneshvar | dbite_p: Hi | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | the workaround (waiting until instance VM is pingable) works, but I was hoping for a more elegant solution. | 17:09 |
| rluethi | also, it's a regression compared to icehouse. | 17:09 |
| rluethi | so, improvements welcome. | 17:09 |
| vigneshvar | rluethi: I will trace the flow once today to see where the delay is | 17:09 |
| dbite_p | rluethi: Good to hear that you found the issue | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | dbite_p: I found the issue, but I don't know the cause. | 17:11 |
| dbite_p | rluethi: try giving network node 1GB and see if the speed increases | 17:11 |
| dbite_p | Not sure either why this should happen. | 17:11 |
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| rluethi | no way this is about network speed. | 17:12 |
| rluethi | it's a timeout or a refresh of sorts. | 17:12 |
| rluethi | once a minute or so. | 17:12 |
| vigneshvar | Interesting .. | 17:12 |
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| rluethi | check the numbers I sent via email, or run your own tests. | 17:13 |
| dbite_p | Ok. I will put my machine overnight | 17:14 |
| vigneshvar | me too | 17:14 |
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| vigneshvar | anything else on the topic | 17:16 |
| rluethi | #topic any other topic | 17:16 |
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| rluethi | I guess we are done | 17:17 |
| rluethi | new record | 17:17 |
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| dbite_p | I will try to get a new repository for labs folder. Hope I can make it possible. | 17:17 |
| vigneshvar | yes | 17:17 |
| rluethi | sweet | 17:17 |
| vigneshvar | new repository ? | 17:18 |
| dbite_p | yeah | 17:18 |
| dbite_p | also we get our scripts to test the install guides | 17:18 |
| dbite_p | that would be on our roadmap | 17:18 |
| vigneshvar | ok got it | 17:18 |
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| rluethi | anything else? | 17:20 |
| dbite_p | Nothing much for now. | 17:20 |
| vigneshvar | any updates for the summit | 17:20 |
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| rluethi | k. nice seeing you, gents. | 17:20 |
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| dbite_p | Same here. | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | vigneshvar: apparently not | 17:22 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 17:22:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-20-17.06.html | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-20-17.06.txt | 17:22 |
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| vigneshvar | bye | 17:23 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 18:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:01 |
| sarob | hello everyone | 18:01 |
| sarob | agenda | 18:01 |
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| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda#Agenda | 18:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 18:01 |
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| puranamr | o/ | 18:03 |
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| sarob | anyone else? | 18:04 |
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| sarob | markmcclain and davidlenwell wont be joing today | 18:05 |
| sarob | okay | 18:05 |
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| sarob | first up on agenda | 18:05 |
| sarob | #topic outstanding actions from last meeting | 18:06 |
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| sarob | #info semver numbering | 18:06 |
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| sarob | i spoke with adam_g` a bit before the meeting and it seems we both want to follow the neutron numbering | 18:07 |
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| sarob | puranamr: whats your opinion on this? | 18:07 |
| puranamr | as per the discussion that we had last week on this topic, the split is bit vertical. Davidlenwell and I feel that we could continue the existing numbering scheme | 18:08 |
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| puranamr | on the other hand, sarob and adam_g feel to follow the neutron numbering | 18:09 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell_ was going to detail his thinking more in a review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197787/ | 18:09 |
| sarob | looks like that didnt happen | 18:10 |
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| sarob | the argument of following neutron lead doesnt sway you at all? | 18:10 |
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| puranamr | sarob: it is not about following the lead, but i am sure we r not in do-or-die situation at this point for semver. my 2 cents | 18:12 |
| sarob | im not sure i follow do or die? | 18:13 |
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| sarob | maybe you mean we dont have to make this decision right now | 18:14 |
| puranamr | i meant whether it has reached critical stage at this point? we were collecting opinions and still bit inconclusive | 18:14 |
| sarob | ah, i see your point | 18:14 |
| puranamr | thanks | 18:14 |
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| sarob | i can tag at 2015.2.0, then we can still decide semver issue at LM2 or ML3? | 18:15 |
| puranamr | sure | 18:15 |
| sarob | i will add this to the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197787/ patch | 18:16 |
| sarob | puranamr: add your thoughts above to the patch as well | 18:16 |
| puranamr | sure sarob | 18:16 |
| sarob | this is where we should be discussing this | 18:16 |
| sarob | on the patch | 18:17 |
| sarob | #info sarob will update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197787/ patch with plan on tagging at 2015.2.0 for LM1 and continuing the discussion on semver for LM2 | 18:18 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:18 |
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| sarob | #topic critical bugs | 18:18 |
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| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1475781 | 18:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475781 in akanda "ak-rug-serv consumes all the cpu" [Critical,New] - Assigned to davidlenwell (dlenwell) | 18:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1475781 in akanda "ak-rug-serv consumes all the cpu" [Critical,New] | 18:18 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell_: has been working on this | 18:19 |
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| sarob | i asked that he push a patch on what he knows so far | 18:19 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203279/ | 18:19 |
| sarob | adam_g`: is going to take a look today as well | 18:19 |
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| sarob | next bug | 18:20 |
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| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1473629 | 18:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1473629 in akanda "Akanda-rug local repo part of install is set to master for stable branches" [Critical,New] | 18:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1473629 in akanda "Akanda-rug local repo part of install is set to master for stable branches" [Critical,New] | 18:20 |
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| sarob | this should be just a devstack install plugin.sh fix to assign the correct branch | 18:21 |
| sarob | but when I attempted to run my patch | 18:21 |
| sarob | for stable/juno | 18:22 |
| sarob | heat and keystone fail | 18:22 |
| sarob | i get different failures for stable/kilo | 18:22 |
| sarob | sooo, that makes me concerned | 18:23 |
| sarob | i will update the bug on this info | 18:23 |
| puranamr | sarob: when i ran it y-day, I got error in keystone as well | 18:23 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201717/ | 18:24 |
| sarob | for stable/kilo | 18:24 |
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| sarob | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202256/ | 18:25 |
| sarob | for stable/juno | 18:25 |
| sarob | puranamr: let me know what you figure out | 18:25 |
| puranamr | sarob: sure will update | 18:25 |
| sarob | next critical bug | 18:26 |
| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1473628 | 18:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1473628 in akanda "Ssh key is required to start the appliance" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob) | 18:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1473628 in akanda "Ssh key is required to start the appliance" [Critical,Triaged] | 18:26 |
| sarob | i can't debug this until https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1475781 is solved | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475781 in akanda "ak-rug-serv consumes all the cpu" [Critical,New] - Assigned to davidlenwell (dlenwell) | 18:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1475781 in akanda "ak-rug-serv consumes all the cpu" [Critical,New] | 18:27 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:28 |
| sarob | #topic progress on LM2 | 18:28 |
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| sarob | #link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-2 | 18:29 |
| sarob | lets talk about vm footprint bp | 18:29 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/reduce-vm-footprint | 18:29 |
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| sarob | puranamr: whats your thoughts | 18:29 |
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| puranamr | sarob: couple of strategies have been thought about the vm footprint | 18:30 |
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| sarob | lay on us | 18:31 |
| sarob | lay it on us | 18:31 |
| puranamr | one is to customize the software (which becomes part of the vm), this will be a maintainence nightmare maye be, | 18:31 |
| puranamr | second option is to have customizable scripts that can rip through the non-essential ones making it leaner | 18:31 |
| sarob | puranamr: automation around stripping down distrib | 18:32 |
| puranamr | sarob: yes | 18:32 |
| sarob | puranamr: we can do both | 18:32 |
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| puranamr | the impact of reduction has not been validated in the light of how well the performance will be affected | 18:32 |
| adam_g` | o/ sorry im late | 18:33 |
| sarob | puranamr: write up the scripts to support stripping down | 18:33 |
| sarob | puranamr: plus provide golden images for those that want a proven image | 18:33 |
| sarob | adam_g`: np | 18:33 |
| puranamr | sarob: sounds ok | 18:33 |
| sarob | dump your thoughts into the bp | 18:34 |
| puranamr | as i outlined above, with stripping the performance angle may need further investigation too | 18:34 |
| puranamr | sarob: sure | 18:34 |
| sarob | and lets post your spec this week | 18:34 |
| puranamr | sarob: yes | 18:34 |
| sarob | puranamr: tomorrow i can work with you | 18:34 |
| puranamr | sarob: thanks | 18:35 |
| sarob | puranamr: your bp will likely get pushed to ML3, but | 18:35 |
| sarob | puranamr: lets do all the right steps | 18:35 |
| puranamr | yes i understand | 18:35 |
| puranamr | agreed | 18:35 |
| sarob | adam_g`: we are updating on ML2 bp | 18:35 |
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| adam_g` | ok | 18:36 |
| sarob | you have two of em | 18:36 |
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| sarob | you should rename nodepool to peez i think | 18:36 |
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| sarob | and we should review, merge your specs this week | 18:37 |
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| adam_g` | cool | 18:37 |
| adam_g` | theres actually a dependency now between the rug-ha and the nodepool/pez one | 18:37 |
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| adam_g` | the rug-ha stuff needs to happen first | 18:37 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193680/ | 18:37 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194882/ | 18:38 |
| adam_g` | not sure if thats noted in my spec, will update if not | 18:38 |
| sarob | cool | 18:38 |
| sarob | adam_g`: any thing you wanted to add to the semver from the log? | 18:38 |
| adam_g` | not much | 18:39 |
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| sarob | #action puranamr will update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/reduce-vm-footprint desc and sarob will work with him to post spec tomorrow | 18:39 |
| sarob | adam_g`: okay, so im going to post my semver intention | 18:39 |
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| sarob | then tag back to late jun 2015.2.0 and post the tarballs | 18:40 |
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| adam_g` | ive honestly not been following the semver things in other proejcts over the last month, only the one thread thats been kicking on the ML | 18:40 |
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| sarob | yeah, think not following semver of some version number will start to be confusing for the distributions | 18:41 |
| sarob | as we get into working closely with them | 18:41 |
| sarob | so we need to make the cut over something this release | 18:42 |
| sarob | sometime that is | 18:42 |
| adam_g` | semvers are going to confuse distros | 18:42 |
| sarob | #action adam_g` will update his rug scale and rug ha spec will dependancy info | 18:43 |
| sarob | adam_g`: meaning the switch over? | 18:43 |
| sarob | #topic semver continued | 18:44 |
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| adam_g` | sarob, ya that, and the entire idea of a non-global version for a given openstack release is going to confuse anyone wondering what versions of stuff is to be packaged together | 18:44 |
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| adam_g` | that said, if neutron is going with 7.0.0 it makes sense for us to version akanda-neutron similarly, to indicate compat. if we're versioning akanda-neutron 7.0.0, it'd be confusing to have akanda-rug 1.0.0. | 18:44 |
| sarob | okay, but i think the genesis of semver here was at the distro request | 18:45 |
| adam_g` | sarob, no, it wasnt | 18:45 |
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| sarob | adam_g`: ill have to go back and read doug's email again | 18:45 |
| adam_g` | its that some projects want to follow different release schedules other than the 201x.x 6-month thing | 18:45 |
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| adam_g` | esp wrt stable releases | 18:45 |
| adam_g` | anyway.. | 18:45 |
| sarob | adam_g`: my memory was that was a contributing factor | 18:46 |
| sarob | adam_g`: yeah, no matter | 18:46 |
| adam_g` | semvers is going to make distros lives hell :) | 18:46 |
| sarob | adam_g`: ship has sailed | 18:46 |
| adam_g` | for us, it doesnt really matter. we can just use the same neutron version across all our projects and essetnially get the same thing we have with the 201x.x scheme | 18:46 |
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| adam_g` | its just that i feel weird about naming a akanda-rug 1.0.0 akanda-rug 7.0.0 | 18:46 |
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| sarob | adam_g`: sure | 18:46 |
| adam_g` | so +1 7.0.0 from me | 18:47 |
| sarob | lets have a hearty debate on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197787/ | 18:47 |
| sarob | adam_g`: yeah, me too | 18:47 |
| sarob | adam_g`: add your +1 to the patch | 18:47 |
| sarob | adam_g`: so we can put this to bed by LM2 | 18:48 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:48 |
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| sarob | speak now my friends | 18:48 |
| adam_g` | I'd like to request that we all start getting into the habbit of filing bugs for all issues we run into, with lots of detail and debugging info | 18:49 |
| adam_g` | the worst that is going to happen is it gets closed because its not a bug | 18:49 |
| puranamr | adam_g`: agreed | 18:49 |
| adam_g` | i'm going to start being a PITA about this moving forward. as in, if theres no LP bug about it the issue doesn't exist :) | 18:49 |
| * sarob needs to share | 18:50 | |
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| * sarob til it hurts | 18:50 | |
| sarob | adam_g`: point taken | 18:50 |
| adam_g` | in addition to getting issues fixed easily across the team, good bugs have a side effect of encouraging new contributors to get involved via low hanging fruits / easily-reproducible isses | 18:50 |
| sarob | #action team needs to overshare with bug details as they show up | 18:51 |
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| adam_g` | cool! :) | 18:51 |
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| sarob | adam_g`: otherwise its not teamwork | 18:51 |
| sarob | adam_g`: ill be as hard on myself for failing here so far | 18:51 |
| puranamr | good point adam_g` | 18:52 |
| sarob | adam_g`: and getting known good configurations out into the docs asap as well | 18:52 |
| adam_g` | no worries, we're a new project and we just need to enforce good habits early while we're still small | 18:52 |
| sarob | #action sarob known good configurations as a priority for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/liberty-doc-updates | 18:53 |
| sarob | adam_g`: roger that good buddy | 18:53 |
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| sarob | anything else? | 18:53 |
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| puranamr | nothing more from my side! | 18:54 |
| sarob | adam_g`: im going to sneak over to zell's for a lunch before going to the airport | 18:54 |
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| sarob | adam_g`: got time to join? | 18:54 |
| adam_g` | sarob, when is your flight? | 18:55 |
| sarob | 2:30 | 18:55 |
| adam_g` | sarob, ah probably not. wont be able to leave here for another 30 min or so and im on the other side of town | 18:56 |
| sarob | ah, bummer | 18:56 |
| sarob | until next time | 18:56 |
| sarob | and with that | 18:56 |
| sarob | lets break | 18:56 |
| sarob | talk to y'all soon | 18:56 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 18:57:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-20-18.01.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-20-18.01.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-20-18.01.log.html | 18:57 |
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| geoffarnold | o\ | 19:00 |
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| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 19:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 19:01 |
| Shamail | hi everyone | 19:01 |
| geoffarnold | Greetings | 19:01 |
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| barrett1 | Hi Everyone - who's here for the Product Work group meeting? | 19:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 19:01 |
| DericHorn-HP | Hi | 19:01 |
| geoffarnold | o\ | 19:01 |
| Shamail | I | 19:01 |
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| MeganR | Hi | 19:02 |
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| barrett1 | The agenda and links are posted here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 19:02 |
| barrett1 | we might be a little light on attendance due to OSCON | 19:02 |
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| barrett1 | RockyG: Are you here? | 19:03 |
| sgordon | yo | 19:03 |
| barrett1 | 1st topic is Repo update, does anyone have info on this? | 19:04 |
| barrett1 | #Topic User Story Repo Update | 19:04 |
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| barrett1 | OK - I'll send an email to the ML and see if Rocky can give an update. | 19:05 |
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| barrett1 | Next up is Upcoming Milestone checkin | 19:06 |
| barrett1 | #Topic Upcoming Milestones & Status Check | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upcoming Milestones & Status Check (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 19:06 | |
| barrett1 | We have 3 upcoming deliverables, starting today. :) | 19:07 |
| barrett1 | User Stories Posted in Repo - 7/20 | 19:07 |
| barrett1 | User Stories Consolidated and Prioritized - 8/3 | 19:07 |
| barrett1 | Prioritized User Stories List reviewed with Cross Project Team - 8/4 | 19:07 |
| barrett1 | How is everyone doing with their User Story write-ups using the Template from Shamail? | 19:08 |
| Shamail | I haven | 19:08 |
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| Shamail | I haven't written any myself yet but I plan to capture some of the defcore ones | 19:08 |
| Shamail | hi sgordon | 19:09 |
| geoffarnold | I haven't. | 19:09 |
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| barrett1 | geoffarnold: Do you have some you're planning to write up? | 19:10 |
| geoffarnold | Looking at the federation space, but based on last week's Keystone midcycle we may not be quite ready | 19:11 |
| geoffarnold | I'm talking to HP this week | 19:11 |
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| barrett1 | What date do we want to set for getting all of the User Stories into the Repo for this cycle? | 19:12 |
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| Shamail | I would suggest a couple of weeks (at most) | 19:12 |
| Shamail | Ideally, in a week or so, have user stories completed even if the repo isn't available. | 19:13 |
| Shamail | That way we can just populate it versus making it a dependency | 19:13 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: Agree that the Repo is a nice to have at this point, we can use a google drive folder | 19:14 |
| Shamail | +1 | 19:14 |
| barrett1 | Linked to setting the due date is reaching out to the other Work Groups for their input | 19:14 |
| Shamail | Agreed | 19:15 |
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| Shamail | Do you want to change the date on the user story submissions and move on to that agenda topic? | 19:17 |
| barrett1 | Not sure where to move the date to... | 19:17 |
| Shamail | Ah | 19:17 |
| Shamail | Should we do a doodle over ML? :) | 19:18 |
| Shamail | We have light attendance today so I don't think we could reach an actionable date on IRC | 19:18 |
| barrett1 | +1 | 19:18 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 19:18 |
| barrett1 | OK - will add this to the email I'll send out... | 19:19 |
| barrett1 | Let's move on to How we work with the other community WGs | 19:19 |
| barrett1 | #Topic How to Engage Community Work Groups | 19:19 |
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| barrett1 | If we just focus on Market Segment representation for this cycle, then there are 5. | 19:20 |
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| Shamail | Does it make sense to make the market segment the goal but other working groups as optional? I am thinking that some of our members participate in non-market groups too and they might want to have the option of bringing those user stories too. | 19:21 |
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| Shamail | +1 for market segment focus though | 19:21 |
| barrett1 | +1 | 19:21 |
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| barrett1 | We need volunteers to reachout the groups. | 19:22 |
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| barrett1 | I can cover Enterprise. | 19:22 |
| Shamail | I can cover application ecosystem | 19:23 |
| Shamail | sgordon, can you cover telco-wg? | 19:24 |
| barrett1 | I'll capture this in the Work Plan Tracker | 19:24 |
| sgordon | sureee | 19:24 |
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| Shamail | Thanks! | 19:24 |
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| barrett1 | Anyone for Large Deployments? | 19:26 |
| barrett1 | Or API WG? | 19:26 |
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| geoffarnold | Large Deployments sounds like my area, but it's been relatively quiet recently | 19:27 |
| barrett1 | Thanks Geoff | 19:27 |
| geoffarnold | I'll look into it | 19:27 |
| barrett1 | +1 | 19:27 |
| Shamail | thanks | 19:27 |
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| barrett1 | This is a good start. | 19:29 |
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| barrett1 | Can we set a date for getting in contact? | 19:30 |
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| Shamail | This is linked to user story submissions before prioritization can begin right? | 19:31 |
| geoffarnold | I'll miss next week's mtg - company event | 19:31 |
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| barrett1 | shamail: yes | 19:31 |
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| Shamail | If so then we probably need this item to be done by next week. Could we shoot for a status update via email by next Wednesday? | 19:32 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 19:32 |
| barrett1 | #Action Carol, Steve, Shamail, Geoff - Reach out to your WG to socialize the User Story template and solicit stories for this cycle | 19:33 |
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| barrett1 | #Action Due via email on ML by 7/29/15 | 19:33 |
| barrett1 | OK - let's move on | 19:34 |
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| barrett1 | #Topic July BoD Update Slide Review | 19:34 |
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| barrett1 | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10c1F2oYYUOQZgG-o5Nwqmf6uyoKzadOGPKaO_20jfPE/edit?usp=sharing | 19:34 |
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| Rockyg | sorry I'm late. Spaced it. | 19:34 |
| barrett1 | Hi RockyG | 19:35 |
| barrett1 | Can everyone access the slides OK? | 19:35 |
| Rockyg | Hey! Getting ready for OSCon.... | 19:35 |
| Rockyg | can you repost the link? | 19:36 |
| barrett1 | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10c1F2oYYUOQZgG-o5Nwqmf6uyoKzadOGPKaO_20jfPE/edit?usp=sharing | 19:36 |
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| barrett1 | Any comments? | 19:38 |
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| geoffarnold | Not sure if we need it for this audience, but otherwise I'd like to see a page of endorsement quotations | 19:40 |
| Rockyg | Knew I had something to do. Maybe we can connect on slike 3 at OsCon? | 19:40 |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: endorsement quotes from whom? | 19:40 |
| barrett1 | RockyG: Yes, sometime tomorrow or Wed? | 19:41 |
| geoffarnold | PTLs, mostly | 19:41 |
| MeganR | This looks good, I am seeing some formatting issues, but nothing significant, and could be my browser. | 19:41 |
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| geoffarnold | May not be necessary, just exploring | 19:41 |
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| barrett1 | geoffarnold: we did a summary of the feedback we got from PTLs on slide 6 | 19:42 |
| Shamail | MeganR: Formatting is off on the online version, it's okay in PPT. | 19:42 |
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| MeganR | Shamail: thank you, that does not surprise me! Great information. | 19:42 |
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| geoffarnold | Slide 6 is good, but doesn't convey level of support. Could be anything from "Great, this will really help" to "Well, if you're going to do this, I guess this is how it might work" | 19:43 |
| geoffarnold | But I withdraw my suggestion... | 19:44 |
| maishsk | I love the feedback on slide #6 - now if only they would allow Operators to submit feedback in a way that is not developer centric - we would be on the right track :) | 19:44 |
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| barrett1 | geoffarnold: the info is from the etherpad with the pre-kilo release project plan discussions with each PTL. Can you help us make this slide more impactful? | 19:45 |
| Shamail | maishak: would love your feedback on the template (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpQ1PjyCqbtTIKUbPESp3AbdjUSuIP7GVjda6Cy0EY8/edit?pli=1) | 19:45 |
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| geoffarnold | I'll look at it, barrett1 | 19:46 |
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| barrett1 | Thanks geoff! | 19:47 |
| maishsk | Shamail: a quick overview it is far too detailed | 19:47 |
| maishsk | I can leave my comments later on on the document itself if you would like. | 19:47 |
| Shamail | maishsk: That will be perfect. Thanks, | 19:48 |
| Rockyg | Shamail, quickie on the template...change to user story | 19:49 |
| Shamail | Rockyg: Thanks! | 19:49 |
| barrett1 | Last topic for today is mid-cycle meetup planning | 19:50 |
| barrett1 | #Topic Mid-cycle meetup planning | 19:50 |
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| geoffarnold | Yo! | 19:50 |
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| barrett1 | Geoffarnold: Take it away! | 19:51 |
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| geoffarnold | Well, let's make sure everyone who's coming is in the Wiki... | 19:51 |
| geoffarnold | Or if that's too complicated, we can shift the list to the Etherpad | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | I'm trying to get another Huawei person to come. Anni Lai. | 19:52 |
| geoffarnold | Location will be Cisco Building I: 285 W Tasman Drive, San Jose CA 95134 | 19:52 |
| MeganR | I am checking, should hopefully know this week. | 19:52 |
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| geoffarnold | Let me know of any dietary issues. We'll do the useful breakfast/lunch/drinks | 19:53 |
| geoffarnold | usual | 19:53 |
| barrett1 | good idea to add a section for attendees to the etherpad, will do that.. | 19:53 |
| geoffarnold | (Also useful, but...) | 19:53 |
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| geoffarnold | We'll provide WebEx access for anyone who wants to participate but can't attend in person | 19:54 |
| geoffarnold | What else? | 19:55 |
| barrett1 | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 19:55 |
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| barrett1 | We need to build out the agenda - pls add your ideas to the etherpad | 19:55 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 19:56 |
| barrett1 | We also should plan how we want to cover the Ops Mid cycle | 19:56 |
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| geoffarnold | +1 - that's going to be important | 19:56 |
| Shamail | =1 | 19:57 |
| Shamail | +1 :] | 19:57 |
| barrett1 | How about we revisit the Mid-cycle plans on 8/3? We should have more info on the Ops agenda | 19:57 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 19:58 |
| maishsk | Shamail: Comments added to user-story-template | 19:58 |
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| Shamail | Thanks again maishsk | 19:58 |
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| barrett1 | Any other topics that people want to cover? | 19:59 |
| geoffarnold | I've got to bail out - running to another mtg | 19:59 |
| barrett1 | bye geoffarnold | 19:59 |
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| Rockyg | maishsk, I'd like to invite you to the log wg ;-) | 19:59 |
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| maishsk | Shamail - is not meant to be harsh (it might have come out like that) - so please dont take it that way - I am looking with the shades of an Operator | 19:59 |
| maishsk | Rockyg: You mentioned that a while back | 20:00 |
| maishsk | ;) | 20:00 |
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| Shamail | maishsk: thanks for the context. I'll review it later this week | 20:00 |
| barrett1 | RockyG: Can you be the liason between the Product WG and the Loggin WG for gathering user stories? | 20:00 |
| maishsk | I have no bandwidth until the end of August - so I do not know if I can be helpful until after that\ | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Maybe not this week, but if you've got some bugs with logs, good place to discuss... | 20:00 |
| Shamail | I have to drop, take care all! | 20:00 |
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| barrett1 | Bye folks | 20:01 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| MeganR | Bye | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 20:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-07-20-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-07-20-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-07-20-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | maishsk, just list any high priority log bugs on the meeting wiki page..... | 20:01 |
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| Rockyg | And thanks all! | 20:01 |
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| regXboi | moo | 20:59 |
| mestery | yo | 20:59 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:59 |
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| kevinbenton | Hi | 20:59 |
| sballe | o/ | 20:59 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 21:00 |
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| annp | Hi | 21:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:00 |
| yushiro | Hi !! | 21:00 |
| john-davidge | Hey | 21:00 |
| Sukhdev | hello | 21:00 |
| ZZelle_ | Hi everyone | 21:00 |
| armax | yello | 21:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 20 21:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| tongli | o/ | 21:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:00 |
| mestery | #topic Announcement | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcement (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| mestery | #info Liberty-2 is next week | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| ajmiller | Hi | 21:01 |
| mestery | We've reached the 2/3 point (or 3/4 or 4/5, depending on if you count RC candidates and how many you count) | 21:01 |
| mestery | Lets keep the review momentum going | 21:01 |
| mestery | Lets move on to bugs now | 21:02 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468433 | 21:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468433 in neutron "Pre reference plugin code movement" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1468433 in neutron "Pre reference plugin code movement" [Critical,In progress] | 21:02 |
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| mestery | HenryG has a DB patch left for this one and we can mark it as implemented | 21:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | now i'm here... | 21:02 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: I see 2 bugs marked as "linuxbridge-gate-parity", want to cover those here? | 21:03 |
| sc68cal | sure | 21:03 |
| mestery | For reference | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1312016 | 21:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1312016 in neutron "nova libvirtError: Unable to add bridge brqxxx-xx port tapxxx-xx: Device or resource busy" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Darragh O'Reilly (darragh-oreilly) | 21:03 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1312016 in neutron "nova libvirtError: Unable to add bridge brqxxx-xx port tapxxx-xx: Device or resource busy" [High,In progress] | 21:03 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Lets start with that one | 21:03 |
| sc68cal | fix is here - https://review.openstack.org/193485 | 21:03 |
| sc68cal | so I think we're making very good progress | 21:04 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/193485 | 21:04 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Excellent! | 21:04 |
| mestery | Next up is | 21:04 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1465837 | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465837 in neutron "Linux bridge: Dnsmasq is being passed None as an interface" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1465837 in neutron "Linux bridge: Dnsmasq is being passed None as an interface" [Medium,New] | 21:04 |
| mestery | This one looks stalled a bit | 21:04 |
| mestery | Is it still a blocker in any way? | 21:04 |
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| sc68cal | No, at this point it doesn't seem to trigger test failures | 21:04 |
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| mestery | Nice! | 21:05 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal! Any other LB bugs we should be aware of? | 21:05 |
| sc68cal | it does still emit errors in the logs, but the priority can probably be changed | 21:05 |
| sc68cal | I just saw someone -2 a backport to kilo | 21:05 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/202845 | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | I think that's just because Kilo is about to release | 21:06 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Looks like you'll want to propose that one perhaps | 21:06 |
| mestery | right | 21:06 |
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| sc68cal | ok - I will do that - once we get the kilo backports and 193485 merged we should have a very high pass rate | 21:06 |
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| sc68cal | and look into making the LB ci job voting | 21:06 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Awesome! | 21:06 |
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| * mestery nods in agreement | 21:07 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | me likey all the lb stuff :) | 21:07 |
| mestery | Any other bugs anyone wants to discuss here? | 21:07 |
| john-davidge | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471316 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] | 21:07 |
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| john-davidge | consensus seems to be coming round to a fix being needed | 21:07 |
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| mestery | Lots of fun discussion there john-davidge | 21:07 |
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| john-davidge | if we can get some positive reviews ont eh associated fix that would be great #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198437/ | 21:07 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198437/ | 21:08 |
| john-davidge | mestery: there sure is! | 21:08 |
| mestery | john-davidge: I see 5 -1s, looks like before further review a re-spin might be needed | 21:08 |
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| mestery | john-davidge: We'll drive consensus in the review though, thanks for bringing this one up! | 21:08 |
| mestery | Anything else from anyone? | 21:09 |
| mestery | Bug related specifically | 21:09 |
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| john-davidge | mestery: The -1s are all about disagreeing with the premise rather than the implementation it seems | 21:09 |
| mestery | john-davidge: Yes, agreed | 21:09 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on in the agenda | 21:09 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:09 |
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| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Hi there! | 21:09 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: I hear you ahve some updates for the team? | 21:09 |
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| sc68cal | might be typing wall of text :) | 21:10 |
| mestery | lol | 21:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi there | 21:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | too much going on at once | 21:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | so here's whats up | 21:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like a lot of neutron docs are in the dev docs, but they should probably go in the networking guide | 21:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i suppose a lot of this was due to the ease of RST and not having to go through the docs review process, but the networking guide is RST and we're pretty lenient on content | 21:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so, do we want to audit the dev docs and see what should move to the networking guide? | 21:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | similarly, should new docs consider the networking guide instead of devdocs if its more of an operational thing? | 21:13 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: you mean the devref .rsts? like neutron/doc/source/devref/*? | 21:13 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: the question is who is the audience | 21:13 |
| amuller | developers or operators | 21:13 |
| amuller | that should be the distinction | 21:13 |
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| russellb | amuller: +1 | 21:13 |
| sc68cal | +1 | 21:13 |
| amotoki | +1 for amuller | 21:13 |
| russellb | there's certainly overlap at times | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | the stuff that ends up on docs.openstack.org/developer | 21:14 |
| mestery | Also, what are we documenting? The reference implementation or the design and how to develop for neutron? | 21:14 |
| sc68cal | I think in some cases we have features that land, are documented in devref, but need user focused docs to close the loop | 21:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ^ this | 21:14 |
| mestery | The issue with conflating "Neutron, the platform" and "Neutron, the reference implementation" strikes again | 21:14 |
| russellb | sorta kinda related ... are docs on using plugins other than ref impl fair game for the networking guide? | 21:14 |
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| mestery | russellb: Open Source ones, I'd say yes. | 21:14 |
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| mestery | russellb: Vendor ones, I lean no, and say docs should be in the vendor repos | 21:15 |
| russellb | define open :) | 21:15 |
| mestery | lol | 21:15 |
| amotoki | in most cases developers write devref along with corresponding codes to help others (reviewers/developers) understand a feature. | 21:15 |
| mestery | Open Source network virtualization solutions | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | i say for now the networking guide covers the reference stuff... we have lots of work to do there still. | 21:15 |
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| mestery | Sam-I-Am: +1000 | 21:15 |
| sc68cal | russellb: I think at the very least, networking guide should link to plugin docs (if they exist) | 21:15 |
| mestery | And that leaves the things amuller is concerned about alone and safely in neutron devref | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | Why does open source matter in this case? From a user perspective wouldn't documenting as many solutions as possible be good? | 21:16 |
| mestery | amuller: +1000 on that too | 21:16 |
| russellb | sc68cal: yeah that's pretty low cost | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | the issue with third-party stuff is the docs have a tendency to go stale | 21:16 |
| russellb | we're not actually far enough along in OVN for this to matter, but that's why i'm asking | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | we dont have as much control over it, nor do we know if its accurate | 21:16 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: It matters because why should we be documenting vendor solitions in the networking guide? Who would be documenting those? Who would review them? | 21:16 |
| mestery | Who would validate the documentation works? | 21:16 |
| sc68cal | +1 - if someone wants to put their plugin stuff in the networking guide, we'd put them on the hook for keeping them updated - IMO | 21:16 |
| mestery | Seems like a mess | 21:16 |
| mestery | sc68cal: So you want to chase those people down? | 21:17 |
| russellb | if you don't put that stuff there, you end up in first-class second-class citizen situation | 21:17 |
| mestery | We already split out the code, we pull the docs back in? Makes no sense to me | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: how do we know if they're updated? | 21:17 |
| sc68cal | mestery: hmm - good point | 21:17 |
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| kevinbenton | So we shouldn't document anything then | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | fwiw the same reason about commercial solution apply also to open source | 21:17 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: +1000 | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | depending on how loose that community is with neutron | 21:17 |
| kevinbenton | Because we are pulling out the reference | 21:17 |
| mestery | IF the doc team wants to take on documenting vendor plugins, I say let them have it | 21:18 |
| kevinbenton | And a third party open source thing can be just as flaky as a vendor | 21:18 |
| mestery | But who will they look to for reviews? | 21:18 |
| mestery | I'd say this is a documentation team discussion at this point frankly | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | mestery: i think we're trying to un-vendor as much as possible, except in the config reference | 21:18 |
| kevinbenton | The same thing applies to OVN, odl and contrail | 21:18 |
| regXboi | wait - are we saying that we are deprecating the networking guide? | 21:18 |
| mestery | With participation by whoever wants to join in | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | I think kevinbenton has a point here. By pulling out the reference stuff every solution is equal wrt users, with the exception of upstream gating | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: and HDN. Please do not forget HDN | 21:18 |
| dougwig | it would be nice to know what plugins exist, what they do, how they differ, when you're making a deployment decision. right now, you're left wading through sales guys and false promises. i'm not advocating docs cover vendor stuff, but such an overview of "here's how you can run neutron" would be pretty spiffy. | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: umm i hope not :) | 21:19 |
| mestery | dougwig: That's a very slipper slope | 21:19 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: I hope not too... | 21:19 |
| ZZelle_ | regXboi, nope, just that doc should live in the right place | 21:19 |
| dougwig | mestery: then bring a sled, and have fun! | 21:19 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: nah, just making a point that our division of what's in and out doesn't make much sense | 21:19 |
| mestery | lol | 21:19 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: I'm only saying the docs folks can make that decision | 21:19 |
| mestery | we shouldn't be making it | 21:19 |
| mestery | I've stated my opinion | 21:20 |
| mestery | But it's not up to me | 21:20 |
| sc68cal | Is perhaps just linking to other plugin docs from the NWG a good compromise? | 21:20 |
| mestery | It's up to the core reveiwers on the networkign guide | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: we dont mind listing various third-party options, but docs surely doesnt have the horsepower to make them awesome or keep them updated. we have enough trouble with vendor communication already. | 21:20 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: That's another problem | 21:20 |
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| amotoki | docs team has this wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/VendorDrivers | 21:20 |
| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: right, i'm really really not advocating that docs take that on. just a halfway daydream that it'd be a nice bit of info somewhere. | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | we'd need vendors to commit bodies | 21:20 |
| amotoki | thought I am not sure it works now. | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I think you | 21:20 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I think me too | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | are correct. It does not mapper how open source or integrated you are. If you are contributing to the doc stuff | 21:21 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: +1000 | 21:21 |
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| mestery | I absolutely abhor this saying now, but in this case it's true: | 21:21 |
| mestery | "Code (and docs) are the coin of the realm." | 21:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... | 21:22 |
| armax | when we initially started the decomp this list was put goether | 21:22 |
| armax | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/devref/sub_projects.rst | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | it's not like documentating a neutron setup with some commercial backend appears in the networking guide is an heresy, is it? | 21:22 |
| regXboi | mestery: rotfl, because I *know* how much that hurt | 21:22 |
| mestery | regXboi: :) | 21:22 |
| armax | can we add a link to the respective docs for each affiliated project? | 21:22 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Absolutely not! I don't know why we're bike shedding on it here though, we can do that on the review in the networking guide proper. | 21:22 |
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| armax | and cross reference this page with the networking docs? | 21:22 |
| sc68cal | armax: +1 | 21:22 |
| mestery | armax: +0.5 | 21:23 |
| armax | armax: +0.1 | 21:23 |
| amuller | isn't this the place for that? https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ | 21:23 |
| dougwig | in big(O) notation, mestery just gave armax a big fat zero. | 21:23 |
| amuller | for a list of drivers | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you have to pay for it, the people you have to pay should be documenting it and housing the docs, imo | 21:24 |
| regXboi | so.... we are now thinking of pointing to devrefs from the networking guide? | 21:24 |
| mestery | dougwig: I'd never give armax a big fat zero, 0.5 was to reference he mostly has my buy-in but I reserve judgement to backpedal later | 21:24 |
| Sukhdev | I like the progression form +1 to +0.1 :-) | 21:24 |
| kevinbenton | Dougwig: In big O these are all zero :) | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: no | 21:24 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Stop bringing reason into this | 21:24 |
| dougwig | mestery: eh, i was pulling legs. | 21:24 |
| mestery | :) | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | mestery: you're welcome? | 21:24 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: :P | 21:24 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: that's the answer I wanted to hear :) | 21:24 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: lol :) | 21:24 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: i think most are '1', actually, with a few zeroes, and a hint of an 'n' way earlier. | 21:25 |
| mestery | #info Everyone is encouraged to submit patches to the networking guide for the drivers and plugins which will be reviewed by the networking guide core reviewer team | 21:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: the original topic was - if it seems admin/oper/user oriented, it should go into the appropriate docs (which is most likely the networking guide for y'all) | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | mestery: ouch. that might melt the docs team down | 21:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | devref has been path of least resistance for a lot of projects because it doesnt involve docbook or the docs team | 21:26 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: I'm fully on board with that - it makes me wonder if DocImpact needs some teasing apart :( | 21:26 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: "review" could be, "keep your stuff isolated to its own section and bit rot is your problem" | 21:26 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: though i wouldn't worry much until someone actually shows up with patches ... | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | russellb: +1. It keeps a consistent experience for users on where to find documentation | 21:27 |
| mestery | russellb: Heh :) | 21:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we saw what impact the scenarios in the networking guide had on a few things, so adding more docs there is hopefully going to make things even better for the project | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | pretty sure if we audited devref we'd find stuff we could move (or keep from getting stale in devref) | 21:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for example... http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/layer3.html | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | we have lots better diagrams in the networking guide | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | and users will stumble upon this stuff | 21:29 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Would you be willing to audit devref and provide an update next week? | 21:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mestery: sure, although it might take 2 meeting cycles | 21:30 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: No worries, we're a volunteer organization which runs on unicorn tears, so 2 cycles is just fine | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 21:30 |
| mestery | :) | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, i think we're clear on the original topic? | 21:30 |
| regXboi | unicorn tears? | 21:30 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Yes, I hope | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | is it indigo, then? | 21:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | a) audit devref b) if something needs docs, anything not dev-specific should go into networking guide | 21:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the docs team doesnt bite | 21:31 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Ack | 21:31 |
| amuller | Sam-I-Am: some of the content could be split up so the more conceptual stuff could move to the networking guide, then an .rst in devref could link to that conceptual overview / introduction and spell out more developer oriented details | 21:31 |
| amuller | (I'm looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150918/2/doc/source/devref/router_high_availability.rst as an example) | 21:31 |
| regXboi | amuller: +1 | 21:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | amuller: we could do that | 21:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | amuller: it'll be a process, but at least we can start in that direction | 21:32 |
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| mestery | OK, I think we've got a direction | 21:33 |
| * mestery hopes no one asks which direction | 21:33 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | up | 21:33 |
| mestery | Shall we move on in the agenda? | 21:33 |
| mestery | lol | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 21:33 |
| regXboi | mestery: dead horse browning motion :) | 21:33 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Thanks for an exciting update! It's been a while since we've had a docs update that exciting | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | woot | 21:33 |
| mestery | OK, lets move, I need to poke kevinbenton a bit next | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe there will be more :) | 21:33 |
| regXboi | er *brownianing* | 21:33 |
| mestery | #topic pecan wsgi work | 21:33 |
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| kevinbenton | Lol | 21:33 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: :) | 21:33 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron+branch:feature/pecan+status:open,n,z | 21:33 |
| mestery | That's the reveiw link for the pecan patches | 21:34 |
| mestery | Thanks to blogan and salv-orlando (among others) for their reviews there | 21:34 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: How is it coming along? | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: i need to check the latest, but we were sort of starved for reviews | 21:34 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: I think salv-orlando dropped in and laid down the heavy fire for you recently | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: blogan got us 1 +2 | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: ok. If I can enslave him then we should be able to pick up the pace | 21:35 |
| mestery | lol | 21:35 |
| mestery | thanks for your work here kevinbenton and blogan | 21:35 |
| russellb | looks like it needs another rev? after an update i'd be happy to review that series | 21:35 |
| mestery | russellb: Sweet! Tahnks for the help! | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | mestery, russellb: frankly I believe we should merge back as soon as we have functional parity | 21:36 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: +1000 | 21:36 |
| russellb | +1 | 21:36 |
| regXboi | salv-orlando: +max_int | 21:36 |
| russellb | sounds like a nightmare to maintain | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton has done a good job. It's not perfect, but it's better then what we have now | 21:36 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: let's not get out of control here :) | 21:36 |
| mestery | OK, so lets see if we can things merged back ASAP | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | I mean why would we question about replacing a shaky wsgi home grown framework that only a few of us know how it works | 21:36 |
| blogan | mestery, kevinbenton: i'll be able to do more work/reviews on it the end of this week | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | there's not even devref for it | 21:37 |
| kevinbenton | What I have do e is duck taped together | 21:37 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: The previous version was stuck together with Scotch tape | 21:37 |
| mestery | :) | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | kevinbenton has ported bit and bobs from the old framework but at least it's all implemented as pecan hooks and controllers | 21:37 |
| blogan | and baby tears | 21:37 |
| * regXboi tries to resist obvious duck puns | 21:37 | |
| salv-orlando | so you know what you're talking about at least | 21:37 |
| mestery | lol | 21:37 |
| kevinbenton | I'll work on a devref to help explain how the current patches work | 21:37 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Excellent! | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | And I'm on pto right now | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | So it won't happen until Monday next week | 21:38 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: That's why you're only working 40 hours lately! :) | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: you're too young for PTO | 21:38 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: you're bad at PTO | 21:38 |
| mestery | Anything else on pecan? | 21:38 |
| dougwig | says the european, who likely gets 40 weeks off per year. | 21:38 |
| kevinbenton | Neutron has aged me 20 years | 21:38 |
| mestery | rofl | 21:38 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: goes for all of openstack i think | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | kevinbenton: drinking returns your youth | 21:39 |
| mestery | That's our new team motto! "Join Neutron and add 20 years to your looks!" | 21:39 |
| mestery | I think it'll work | 21:39 |
| russellb | i got gray hair from openstack | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, welcome to open sores | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: a gray beard just means you can be grumpy about everything and get away with it | 21:39 |
| armax | russellb: I have no hair left | 21:39 |
| armax | russellb: luck you | 21:39 |
| russellb | :) | 21:39 |
| armax | * | 21:39 |
| armax | lucky | 21:39 |
| mestery | lol | 21:39 |
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| russellb | yeah now i'm just a grumpy old unix beard | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: 40 weeks off + national public holidays of course | 21:40 |
| * mestery thinks about a kickstart for Rogain for armax | 21:40 | |
| mestery | *kickstarter | 21:40 |
| armax | mestery: I tried, it doens’t work | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think the neutron meetings at vancouver caused my appendix to want out | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am sacrificed an internal organ on the altar of openstack | 21:40 |
| mestery | lol | 21:40 |
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| kevinbenton | Once we reach pecan parity, we will have some decisions to make about extension backwards compatibility | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: yeah, that | 21:40 |
| kevinbenton | If we ever want to get rid of huge piles of dictionaries | 21:40 |
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| * salv-orlando kevinbenton wants to start a yak shaving session | 21:41 | |
| mestery | :) | 21:41 |
| kevinbenton | https://twitter.com/ktbenton/status/623245923678695424 | 21:41 |
| * salv-orlando goes and grabs shears | 21:41 | |
| blogan | sounds like a good old fashioned dictionary burning is neded | 21:41 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton: I think you just broke the fourth wall | 21:41 |
| mestery | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall | 21:41 |
| mestery | OK | 21:41 |
| mestery | lets move on | 21:41 |
| mestery | before we cross dimensions | 21:42 |
| mestery | #topic Remove the Use of Shell From Neutron | 21:42 |
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| mestery | regXboi: you're at bat | 21:42 |
| * regXboi wakes up | 21:42 | |
| mestery | Also: Is anyone AGAINST this? | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | nope let's not do that. We might end up in a dimensions where we're actually productive. nightmare!!! | 21:42 |
| * mestery never knows | 21:42 | |
| mestery | salv-orlando: rofl | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 21:42 |
| regXboi | I hope nobody is against this | 21:42 |
| dougwig | long live csh! | 21:42 |
| dougwig | oh wait. | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: that's what we've always aimed for isn't it | 21:42 |
| regXboi | the question is how to break it up | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: who has the gray beard? | 21:42 |
| amuller | Removing shell? Oh my, last time I tried converting some of our testing bash scripts to Python I got two -2's | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | and otherwis_ has done that already for calls to ovsdb | 21:43 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: We have grand aspirations and perspirations indeed | 21:43 |
| mestery | regXboi: Please explain | 21:43 |
| armax | amuller: I don’t think this is what regXboi is after | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: from the summits I know a lot about both | 21:43 |
| mestery | amuller: It's about adding pyroute2 support to ip_lib | 21:43 |
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| amuller | armax: I gathered :( | 21:43 |
| regXboi | folks - we've got experience with python with shell scaling poorly | 21:43 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: lol | 21:43 |
| regXboi | so the idea was to identify the uses of shell and see if we could replace them with direct python | 21:43 |
| dougwig | i just ran "rm /bin/sh", and now my computer is broken. so, i am against removing it. | 21:43 |
| armax | regXboi: I thought that rootwrap daemon helped with that quite a bit | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: haha | 21:43 |
| regXboi | armax: not really | 21:44 |
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| salv-orlando | regXboi: no news to us I think, we had a few mailing list threads in the past, especially on rootwrap limitations | 21:44 |
| regXboi | so - we've already got a patch for Ryu | 21:44 |
| regXboi | and I'm proposing a set of patches for pyroute2 | 21:44 |
| mestery | regXboi: +1000.5 | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | but as armax said we were hoping the rootwrap daemon would remove a lot of the overhead | 21:44 |
| armax | regXboi: how so, I remember seeing numbers that were impressive, but don’t mind me, I am happy to get rid of shelling out for other reasons | 21:44 |
| amuller | regXboi: are you seeing performance issues with using 'ip', in the L3 agent? | 21:44 |
| regXboi | and seeing if we can pull some of the missing ovs calls into the Ryu patch | 21:44 |
| * sc68cal thinks of all the brctl calls | 21:44 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: aaaaaaaaaaa | 21:45 |
| ZZelle_ | regXboi, how to run_as_root without shell? | 21:45 |
| regXboi | amuller: the issues we saw were with ip, bridge and brctl - all three | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | Is gus around?? | 21:45 |
| dougwig | that daemon is really just a different implementation of removing the forks. so i'm not hearing any objections in principle. | 21:45 |
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| amuller | regXboi: in LB or L3 agent? | 21:45 |
| regXboi | amuller: in LB and L3 both | 21:45 |
| * sc68cal is looking at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pybrctl/0.1.1 | 21:45 | |
| amuller | regXboi: Do you have a PoC working with some benchmarking showing the diff? | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | Angus Lees already had a patch for root wrap daemon using ip lib | 21:46 |
| mestery | amuller: I think regXboi is talking at scale here too (regXboi, correct me if I'm wrong) | 21:46 |
| otherwis_ | pybrctl just wraps CLI anyway. | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | bah, it uses shell under the covers. | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | Privsep daemon | 21:46 |
| regXboi | mestery: yes | 21:46 |
| mestery | scale meaning size of deployment | 21:46 |
| armax | yay to yet another library in the reqs list! | 21:46 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Of course it does! :) | 21:46 |
| mestery | armax: We're doing our part | 21:46 |
| regXboi | sc68cal: yeah I looked at it until I found that | 21:47 |
| regXboi | amuller: not yet | 21:47 |
| otherwis_ | kevinbenton: yeah. I thought I heard him say something about making it an oslo project at some point? | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155631/ | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, I think amuller was asking about details which might enable us to pinpoint bottlenecks, and I would like to see that before suggesting solutions as well | 21:47 |
| amuller | salv-orlando: I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out if I care about this or not :) | 21:47 |
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| regXboi | so folks - has anybody done a security audit on this beast? | 21:48 |
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| otherwis_ | it seems like it would be a good fit for the rootwrap project. Maybe do whitelists of python classes/functions/modules/whatever instead of CLI programs/args? | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | otherwis_: yes, he already benchmarked it and showed huge improvements | 21:48 |
| regXboi | running shell is going to raise flags | 21:48 |
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| otherwis_ | kevinbenton: good to hear. | 21:48 |
| armax | regXboi: but that would happen all acraoss the gigantic openstack circus | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: please sync up with gus when he is online | 21:48 |
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| armax | openstack *is* a wrapper around bash | 21:48 |
| armax | if I really want to be extreme in my definition | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: he is working with the oslo team | 21:49 |
| ajo_ | Yeah, I think rootwrap support for api calls would be a good way. Or just a thread with separate privilege level.. | 21:49 |
| mestery | armax: EVen on a vSphere Hypervisor? | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | armax: and libvirt. bash and libvirt, libvirt and bash | 21:49 |
| russellb | parts of network integration at least :) | 21:49 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: what TZ is gus in so I can plan to be around/awake? | 21:49 |
| ajo_ | lol armax ;) | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: australia | 21:49 |
| ajo_ | hi, btw ;) | 21:49 |
| regXboi | ouch | 21:49 |
| mestery | ajo_: Please stop taking vacation advice from kevinbenton and return to PTO :) | 21:49 |
| armax | please do not quote me on it | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | regXboi: sydney | 21:49 |
| armax | I don’t want to get sued | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | Most of the l2 agent can be handled with pyroute | 21:50 |
| mestery | Note: 10 minutes left | 21:50 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: that was the thought | 21:50 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: ++ | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: l2? pyroute wraps also iptables? | 21:50 |
| ajo_ | mestery, lol :) I wanted to sync a bit while the sea breeze blows on me :) | 21:50 |
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| regXboi | salv-orlando: iptables is the exception - afaik, there is no api | 21:50 |
| mestery | ajo_: You need to post a twitter picture with your view, tag it neutron meeting and link it here like kevinbenton | 21:50 |
| * regXboi grumbles about that fact | 21:51 | |
| mestery | regXboi: It's an oppurtunity is what it is | 21:51 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orlando: don't poke holes in my words | 21:51 |
| mestery | OK | 21:51 |
| mestery | Lets move on | 21:51 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:51 |
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| kevinbenton | :) | 21:51 |
| armax | regXboi: there are othe system interactions that have no API avaialble | 21:51 |
| otherwiseguy | iptables: https://github.com/ldx/python-iptables | 21:51 |
| dougwig | that last bit was pretty much already an open discussion. | 21:51 |
| ajo_ | hehehe mestery , just 2 minutes ;) | 21:51 |
| mestery | Note: We can continue painting the shell bike shed here too | 21:51 |
| otherwiseguy | python-iptables says it uses the C library | 21:52 |
| kevinbenton | armax: right, gus's approach was move as many into native APIs as possible | 21:52 |
| mestery | dougwig: Exactly my point, though I'm slow on the uptake due to lack of sleep lately | 21:52 |
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| mestery | otherwiseguy: What is the license for python-iptables? | 21:52 |
| armax | kevinbenton: right | 21:52 |
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| ZZelle_ | salv-orlando, what is the status about micro-versioning? | 21:52 |
| dougwig | regXboi: i doubt the security argument will get much traction, because openstack has such a soft and gooey center. but reducing context switches at scale is a pretty big deal, if we've got them in a common execution path. | 21:52 |
| armax | but I wouldn’t want to use random libraries | 21:52 |
| regXboi | armax: then we leave them as shell | 21:52 |
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| otherwiseguy | If it links with iptables C library, I assume something compatible with that. :) | 21:52 |
| salv-orlando | ZZelle_: I am trying to figure out how to make it works together with current extension, as an alternative | 21:52 |
| armax | so I wonder if that will result into writing all these wrappers ourselves | 21:52 |
| salv-orlando | and working on top of the pecan framework | 21:53 |
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| mestery | dougwig: The image of openstack as soft and gooey makes me laugh | 21:53 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: that's exactly where I'm thinking, so I'll go sync with him | 21:53 |
| armax | when we had the universal wrapper being root-wrapper! | 21:53 |
| otherwiseguy | python-iptables is Apache 2.0 | 21:53 |
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| mestery | otherwiseguy: thanks :) | 21:53 |
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| salv-orlando | ZZelle_: I agree to not make an abrupt switch from extensions to version, but roll in versioning as experimental so that it can be evaluated first as an alternative | 21:53 |
| salv-orlando | only once is proven to be a working solution, a freeze on extensions will be declared | 21:54 |
| ZZelle_ | salv-orlando, ah, great | 21:54 |
| dougwig | salv-orlando: this is openstack. don't we freeze the old thing before the new one is working? | 21:54 |
| armax | the license is not the only criteria to evaluate a library | 21:54 |
| armax | IMO | 21:54 |
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| sc68cal | before I forget, here was the artifact from the fwaas work at the SEA midcycle - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069784.html | 21:55 |
| kevinbenton | Right, we also have to check if it uses tabs instead of spaces | 21:55 |
| otherwiseguy | Since we're talking about moving everything to python libs...does that mean we get to drop the ovs-vsctl implementation of ovs interface? | 21:55 |
| * ajo_ thinks of mock library... and how nice they are with updates.. | 21:55 | |
| mestery | armax: I agree, but since this is openstack, it's one of the most critical | 21:55 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069784.html | 21:55 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Just because we needed another shed to paint today? | 21:55 |
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| amuller | otherwiseguy: I think that's blocked by the ovs python lib not being py3 compat | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | mestery: I have a lot of stock in a shed manufacturing company | 21:55 |
| otherwiseguy | amuller: lets say we fix that... :D | 21:56 |
| mestery | sc68cal: lol | 21:56 |
| amuller | otherwiseguy: first let's switch the default | 21:56 |
| regXboi | otherwiseguy: I'd like to see if we could as part of the ryu patch | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | dougwig: actually in openstack the tradition is to do one thing and its exact opposite at the same time | 21:56 |
| otherwiseguy | There are some atomicity issues with our vif stuff that I could easily fix with the native interface, but not so much vsctl (without writing c code). | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | ajo_: to be fair with mock devs they've been fixing bugs that openstack projects have been abusing (more or less deliberately) | 21:57 |
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| ajo_ | salv-orlando, then we just deserved it ;) | 21:57 |
| otherwiseguy | I tried to work around it, but it ended up requiring a change to nova (which I have a patch for too, but if we can just drop vsctl implementation soon...) | 21:57 |
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| kevinbenton | When did we decide that we are using ryu? | 21:57 |
| kevinbenton | Is there some discussion about why? | 21:58 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: We haven't | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: I think we're talking about ofagent? | 21:58 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: +1.5 | 21:58 |
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| mestery | OK | 21:58 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: we haven't, but there is a patch to use it out there | 21:58 |
| mestery | lets wrap this thing up, put a steak in it, and call it rare | 21:58 |
| mestery | Thanks folks! | 21:58 |
| mestery | Remember | 21:58 |
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| salv-orlando | adieuuuu | 21:58 |
| mestery | Liberty-2 is next week :) | 21:58 |
| regXboi | oom | 21:58 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| ajo_ | o/ | 21:58 |
| yushiro | Hi mestery, kevin and all :-) I've posted the spec for packet-logging API. | 21:58 |
| yushiro | Would you please review it? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509 | 21:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 20 21:58:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-20-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-20-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-20-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
| yushiro | bye bye~ | 21:59 |
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| mestery | yushiro: Ack | 21:59 |
| mestery | :) | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | #note today's bike sheds will be pink, indigo, and brown | 21:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 21:59 |
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| otherwiseguy | kevinbenton: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/kilo/ovs-ofctl-to-python.html | 21:59 |
| armax | so long | 21:59 |
| * otherwiseguy waves | 21:59 | |
| yushiro | mestery, thank you :-)))) | 21:59 |
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| dougwig | wow, that was some open discussion. | 21:59 |
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