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| sigmavirus24 | flip214: what if I joined it already? =P | 15:59 |
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| flip214 | sigmavirus24: then join again. | 15:59 |
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| sigmavirus24 | :D | 15:59 |
| flip214 | won't hurt, after all | 15:59 |
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| sigmavirus24 | oh $deity, it's full of irc channels | 15:59 |
| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 16:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| hemna | morning | 16:00 |
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| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
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| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | 'ello | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | lo | 16:00 |
| thingee | some announcements before we get started... | 16:00 |
| asselin | hi | 16:00 |
| jnrao | hi | 16:00 |
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| yuriy_n17 | hi everyone | 16:00 |
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| thingee | Third party CI http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:00 |
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| rhe00 | hi | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | it's required for Kilo for all volume drivers | 16:00 |
| cebruns | hi | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | if your volume driver, and all protocols it supports are not covered by a CI by the end of Kilo, you risk the driver being removed. | 16:01 |
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| thingee | please don't wait and get help in the third party ci meetings | 16:01 |
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| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: End of K3, right? Not end of Kilo. | 16:02 |
| thingee | smcginnis: sure | 16:02 |
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| thingee | speaking of deadlines, Cinder has deadlines for code. | 16:02 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056964.html | 16:02 |
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| thingee | March 1st, code must be in for all BPs. Passing jenkins. Not WIP | 16:02 |
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| thingee | I will untarget BPs otherwise. The reviewers need time to, well, review! | 16:03 |
| thingee | March 10th, code must be merged for BPs. We will do a freeze. Bug patches are OK though! | 16:03 |
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| thingee | Kilo priorities...anyone doing reviews should be following https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-k3-priorities | 16:04 |
| thingee | These are things targeted. | 16:04 |
| thingee | for k-3 | 16:04 |
| thingee | Ok lets gets started! | 16:04 |
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| thingee | Agenda for today | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #topic Display dates with tz info with API change | 16:04 |
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| thingee | yuriy_n17: hi | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156552/ | 16:05 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi everyone | 16:05 |
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| thingee | yuriy_n17: have you spoke to the API WG? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group | 16:05 |
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| yuriy_n17 | no | 16:05 |
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| thingee | Ok, general project consensus would be great. | 16:06 |
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| thingee | members of each project, including myself, are part of this | 16:06 |
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| thingee | also to discuss the specifics of changing this in current API versions | 16:06 |
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| thingee | which I think is what the current convtroversy is | 16:06 |
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| yuriy_n17 | thingee: To have dates displayed in Cinder with tz info I offered that | 16:08 |
| thingee | yuriy_n17: understood. I would appreciate project consensus on this though. Not just Cinder doing this | 16:09 |
| thingee | I don't have a project with it though. | 16:09 |
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| thingee | problem* | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: I do. It breaks client code | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | thingee: That needs to be managed somehow | 16:10 |
| thingee | DuncanT: agreed. Let me be more clear...I don't have a problem with the idea. | 16:10 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I want the API WG to decide on when this should be introduced to a project. | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Ah, me neither, in fact it is an important thing to fix | 16:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | thingee: as a member, I agree with the idea | 16:11 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: it works for me but i'll recheck it once more after meeting | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | however, I'm more of the opinion that every timestamp should be stored in UTC+0 for simplicity | 16:11 |
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| winston-d | DuncanT: agree, everytime I look at the log, I need to convert the timezone, twice. | 16:11 |
| thingee | alright no disagreements... yuriy_n17 can I count on you to bring this to the API WG? | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | sigmavirus24: +1 That solves the current issue without any change to the API | 16:11 |
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| yuriy_n17 | thingee: sure | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | DuncanT: at worst cinder could alter itself to accept any timestamp with tz info and convert it to UTC+0 before storing or just assume it's already UTC+0 | 16:12 |
| kmartin | yuriy_n17, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | yuriy_n17: I believe our next meeting is in a few hours | 16:12 |
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| thingee | #action yuriy_n17 to talk to API WG about TZ time in APIs and when they should be introduced. | 16:13 |
| thingee | sigmavirus24, yuriy_n17: thanks! | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | sigmavirus24: Tomorrow, according to that link | 16:13 |
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| thingee | #topic Notice only: 3rd Party CI - Important Action required | 16:13 |
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| thingee | asselin: hi! | 16:13 |
| asselin | hi | 16:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | DuncanT: correct. The alternating schedule messes me up =P | 16:13 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 16:13 |
| asselin | so last week I mentioned that -infra is changing the ip address of the gerrit server | 16:14 |
| asselin | this impacts 3rd party ci. please read the e-mail | 16:14 |
| asselin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 16:14 |
| asselin | yesterday, in the infra meeting they agreed to setup a netcat hello world service to help test firewall rules | 16:14 |
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| asselin | that completes my action item from last week. :) | 16:15 |
| xyang2 | asselin: when will the hello world service be ready? | 16:15 |
| anteaya | when pleia2 sets it up, we didn't set a time for it | 16:15 |
| asselin | xyang2, not sure. hopefully this week. pleia2 has the action to do it. | 16:15 |
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| xyang2 | asselin, anteaya: ok, thanks | 16:16 |
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| asselin | if not other questions, that's it from me | 16:16 |
| thingee | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-02-24-19.01.txt | 16:16 |
| thingee | asselin: thank you! anything else? | 16:17 |
| asselin | nope | 16:17 |
| thingee | #topic Approach to bug 1409012 | 16:17 |
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| openstack | bug 1409012 in Cinder "Volume becomes in 'error' state after scheduler starts" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1409012 - Assigned to Michal Dulko (michal-dulko-f) | 16:17 |
| thingee | DuncanT, dulek: hi! | 16:17 |
| dulek | hi, let me explain background quickly | 16:17 |
| thingee | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1409012 | 16:17 |
| dulek | Problem is scheduler doesn't have metrics at the start so it fails requests in 60-seconds-wide time window. | 16:17 |
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| dulek | winston-d proposed a patch to shrink this window to a few seconds, but this doesn't solve the bug because still requests sent before metrics update will be received first and scheduler will fail | 16:18 |
| dulek | (but change is of course great) | 16:18 |
| dulek | now I can take two approaches in the patch that's delaying requests: | 16:18 |
| dulek | 1. delay requests for 60 seconds or less (manager will count down the delay passed to further request flows) | 16:18 |
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| dulek | this makes delays longer but scheduler will know whole situation when making a decision | 16:18 |
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| dulek | 2. ask scheduler_driver every second till we have valid response or delay passes | 16:19 |
| dulek | this will make delays shorter but scheduler may not have all the metrics when making a decision which may lead to a poor choice | 16:19 |
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| dulek | So the question is - which one is better? | 16:19 |
| hemna | shouldn't the scheduler wait to d scheduling until it's collected stats from every c-vol instance ? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | The second approach IMO, otherwise you get unnecessary stalls | 16:20 |
| dulek | hemna: That's option 1 I guess. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | hemna: we can't do it with currunt oslo.messaging | 16:20 |
| winston-d | hemna: scheduler doesn't know how many vol servies are up | 16:20 |
| hemna | winston-d, the db table lists the c-vol services | 16:20 |
| hemna | and their state | 16:20 |
| thingee | hemna: does that get propagated by the scheduler though? :) | 16:21 |
| winston-d | hemna: there's no guarantee active c-vol in DB will continute to be active | 16:21 |
| dulek | winston-d: +1 | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | thingee: The scheduler can connect to the db just fine | 16:21 |
| dulek | winston-d: but we should make it possible to send metrics for every volume to be fair | 16:21 |
| dulek | winston-d: not use the one we're getting first - that's my opinion | 16:22 |
| thingee | DuncanT: right, I'm saying if the scheduler uses the db to tell what c-vols are active, but it's setting that itself...not really useful :) | 16:22 |
| winston-d | dulek: i agree, that's why I think waiting for one periodic_interval is acceptable. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Does total 'fairness' make sense for a small time window though? They're already unfair enough on a busy system due to update lag anyway | 16:23 |
| hemna | thingee, shouldn't the c-vol services be updating their status in the services table? | 16:23 |
| hemna | not the scheduler | 16:23 |
| thingee | hemna: well that's why it was a question. I don't know what is. | 16:23 |
| hemna | oh ok :) | 16:23 |
| hemna | there is a report_count field as well | 16:23 |
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| dulek | hemna: this isn't done because of db performance issues | 16:23 |
| dulek | DuncanT has more info on that i think | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT | dulek: I forget, sorry, It vaguely rings bells, but I can't remember the details | 16:24 |
| winston-d | hemna: query DB for once, is fine, but the worst case of current fix is to wait one periodic interval. | 16:24 |
| winston-d | hemna: which doesn't need to query DB. | 16:25 |
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| thingee | dulek: can you explain #2 again? | 16:25 |
| dulek | It's DuncanT's idea, maybe he'll explain it better? | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | Ok | 16:25 |
| dulek | DuncanT: thanks :) | 16:25 |
| winston-d | dulek: my opinion for your change is, we can move the sleep waiting out of taskflow, into scheduler manager, then we have great change to make sure *every* request doesn't have to be block for 60 secs. | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | So basically we just keep looping the scheduler call every second until we find a host that can take it, then send it. We don't care if there is a better host coming along later | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | It means the normal case scheduling resumes as soon as at least one host has reported in | 16:27 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: so we're just leaving things in the queue? | 16:27 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: but it may still fail even scheduler already have one set of stats. | 16:27 |
| dulek | thingee: no, looping the scheduler means looping FilterScheduler calls | 16:27 |
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| dulek | thingee: not RPC calls | 16:28 |
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| winston-d | DuncanT: if the request unfortunately needs more than that backend can offer. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: Keep trying it until you hit 60 seconds or it passes | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: That seems to make sense. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: The worst case is the same as just waiting 60 seconds, but the average case is better | 16:28 |
| thingee | winston-d: +1 yea that's what I was thinking | 16:28 |
| dulek | I agree with winston-d here | 16:29 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: when this change lands: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158623/, I am pretty confident 95% cases, the scheduler will have all stats from c-vol(s) in a few seconds. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: So, worst case scenario is you have to wait 60 seconds to find out there isn't a backend that satisfies your needs? | 16:29 |
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| hemna | so the c-vol service updates a report_count field every report interval | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Correct | 16:29 |
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| thingee | I think I'm fine with this, but I need to know what looping means in the filter call. It seems to me if the scheduler has not valid hosts available, it shouldn't be taking anything from the MQ | 16:29 |
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| hemna | can't the scheduler keep track of those at startup waiting for each of them to report | 16:30 |
| hemna | and have some timeout for misbehaving/down c-vol services | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: the scheduler can look in the db and if it has received all the reports then it can terminate early, no problem | 16:30 |
| hemna | like wait 2 reporting intervals | 16:30 |
| thingee | DuncanT: is what I said earlier possible? | 16:30 |
| hemna | and ignore the c-vol services that haven't updated in 2 intervals | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | hemna: The timeout should be twice the interval, yup | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | hemna: There's no way to stop the scheduler consuming incoming request at the moment though | 16:31 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: So you have a create stalled for a full minute | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | hemna: That doesn't need to be | 16:31 |
| e0ne | thingee: we are limited in messaging impl to take or not to take something accroding to our needs | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +2 | 16:31 |
| hemna | well I think it should be stalled until the scheduler recognizes that c-vol services have reported. | 16:31 |
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| hemna | if they don't report, then it's hosed anyway | 16:31 |
| thingee | seems like messaging impl should be updated to stall taking? | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | thingee: We can't make it not consume though, the olso messaging library won't let up | 16:31 |
| thingee | were there push backs on that from the oslo team? | 16:32 |
| thingee | or was it even proposed? | 16:32 |
| e0ne | thingee: yep, if we or somebody fix it, cinder patch will be very small and clean | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | thingee: If we can get that into oslo, then sure, but I can't see how to do that given the way the rabbit connections are handled at the moment | 16:32 |
| hemna | delay the start of listening to the API message queues | 16:32 |
| hemna | until the scheduler sees c-vol services reporting | 16:32 |
| hemna | then register the listeners | 16:32 |
| dulek | hemna: Nope, then scheduler won't get metrics | 16:33 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1. that is what we need | 16:33 |
| hemna | dulek, metrics? | 16:33 |
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| hemna | it has the connection to the DB | 16:33 |
| dulek | hemna: scheduler need to listen for metrics, but not listen to requests | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | hemna: You need to get metrics on a different queue to the create RPC | 16:33 |
| winston-d | hemna: scheduler needs to broadcast a call to all c-vol when it starts 'hey, guys, send me your latest stats'. | 16:33 |
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| dulek | hemna: but scheduler gets volume metrics/stats from RPC instead of DB | 16:33 |
| thingee | Ok, so if I'm understanding things correctly, this only allows for X amount of time that things come in to resume them if the scheduler wasn't ready | 16:33 |
| hemna | winston-d, isn't that on different message queues? | 16:34 |
| thingee | and right not we're saying 60 seconds | 16:34 |
| hemna | than API requests ? | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Correct | 16:34 |
| dulek | hemna: no, it's the same | 16:34 |
| winston-d | hemna: current RPC handling code takes care of all xchange/queues in one call, IIRC. | 16:34 |
| dulek | winston-d: true | 16:34 |
| hemna | dang :( | 16:35 |
| winston-d | hemna: so to be able to broadcast, you open the door for 'create', 'resize', all requests. | 16:35 |
| dulek | we explored all these ideas you mention | 16:35 |
| thingee | DuncanT, dulek: seems fine to me to wait X amount of time, when the first available host reports, start accepting | 16:35 |
| dulek | that's why I presented just 2 alternatives - rest won't work | 16:35 |
| thingee | everyone in agreemnt? | 16:36 |
| dulek | thingee: hm, you're getting it wrong I think | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | thingee: You can't just wait for the first host, since it might not be able to take that volume | 16:36 |
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| dulek | thingee: so we're unable to stop accepting requests for X seconds | 16:36 |
| e0ne | thingee: +1. and we need to raise this topic to oslo.messaging team | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | thingee: And waiting X time every time means a stalled create (or many) every time a scheduler comes up | 16:36 |
| winston-d | thingee: to be more accurate, we accepting once scheduler starts, dulek's change is to block those requests until schedule have, hopefully, all c-vol stats | 16:36 |
| dulek | winston-d: that's true | 16:37 |
| thingee | winston-d: that's what I was trying to convey. | 16:37 |
| thingee | dulek: ^ | 16:37 |
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| thingee | but how do you know when *all* have reported? | 16:37 |
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| dulek | thingee: We can hope that all of them should report in periodic_interval | 16:38 |
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| dulek | Or even faster with winston-d's patch | 16:38 |
| winston-d | thingee: sadly, we don't. scheuler has no idea what periodic_interval are set for each up&running c-vol. | 16:38 |
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| thingee | dulek: periodic interval to me seems like solution #1. which we were against because of unnecessary wait time | 16:38 |
| winston-d | thingee: scheduler crosses its fingers and hope c-vol shares the same value for 'periodic_interval' as itself and wait for one or two interval. | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: I think it is fair to require the periodic_interval in the cinder.conf on the scheduler to be right | 16:39 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:39 |
| hemna | how about a new c-vol column called ready | 16:39 |
| hemna | that signals to the scheduler that the c-vol service is ready to reprot | 16:39 |
| hemna | report | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: no value, it can just send its stats RPC | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Remember you might have N shedulers | 16:40 |
| dulek | hemna: that column would have to mean - stats sent after scheduler startup | 16:40 |
| hemna | well, meaning if the stop the scheduler from listening | 16:40 |
| hemna | the scheduler can look for that column | 16:40 |
| hemna | prior to listening | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | How big a deal is this really? This is just at start time? How often is the delay going to be an issue? | 16:40 |
| hemna | the c-vol services can push the messages into the queue even if the scheduler isn't listening | 16:41 |
| dulek | hemna: yes, but there's no guarantee that it did before the request | 16:41 |
| hemna | dunno, I'm just trying to come up with ideas. | 16:41 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: unless we have ways to force cfg sync between c-sch and c-vol, the best case is to hope for the best. | 16:41 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: +1 mostly I'm a little confused and we gain a little time to resume | 16:41 |
| dulek | hemna: request can still come before stats | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: We can start looking at putting config in the db... we've talked about that a few times | 16:42 |
| hemna | dulek, yah that's fine, the scheduler should be able to reject requests before it's ready | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I don't want to see a complicated solution for a small window. Glad I am not the only one thinking it. | 16:42 |
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| bswartz | it sounds to me like the scheduler is just useless until 60 seconds after it comes up | 16:42 |
| hemna | but the volume shouldn't be put in error state | 16:42 |
| dulek | hemna: But it will fetch it from the MQ and fail the volume creation | 16:42 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: exactly, this is not really a big deal, at least to me. | 16:42 |
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| bswartz | but even in a HA config you should have multiple schedulers running, so if one needs to go down and come back up, it's just useless until 60 seconds later | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: ++ | 16:43 |
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| thingee | bswartz: +1 | 16:43 |
| hemna | winston-d, jungleboyj well except in a busy deployment, you might get a bunch of volume create requests queued up as you bounce c-vol | 16:43 |
| thingee | I would really like to see things fixed up in oslo message. | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | dulek: Can you answer why the delay is such a big concern? | 16:43 |
| winston-d | hemna: true | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | hemna: If you bounce the scheduler right now then you get a bunch of volumes created in error | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I suppose. | 16:43 |
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| dulek | dulek: I'm all for the delay - my current implementation in the patch | 16:43 |
| dulek | jungleboyj: ^ | 16:44 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: The delay always being 60 seconds is my complaint... it should only be as long as it takes for the first suitable backend to report in | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: i.e. approach (2) in the initial problem statement | 16:44 |
| hemna | DuncanT, which should be 2 reporting cycles | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Ok, I can see that argument. | 16:44 |
| winston-d | dulek: +1, all my suggestions were about how to make the window smaller without too much trouble, if possible | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: That can break fairness in the scheduler though, which some people don't like | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: I'll take the unfairness over the stall, personally | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Again, it seems like a small window we are talking about. | 16:45 |
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| winston-d | DuncanT: problem is, that's a bit too ideal to me, 'first suitable backend' means scheduler will have to try many times. | 16:46 |
| hemna | so the messaging approach is to leave the API requests on the queue until the scheduler is ready? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: A minute stall on volume creates will show up in our SLA for sure | 16:46 |
| dulek | So can I just ask a question - fairness (scheduler making good decisions in that small time window) or stall | 16:46 |
| dulek | ? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Yes, but that requires bit messaging changes | 16:46 |
| winston-d | Cory may be pissed given they have so many backends? | 16:46 |
| hemna | DuncanT, seems like a good feature to have | 16:46 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: what if you have redundant schedulers though -- can't one that's working take the message while the other is waiting for stats? | 16:46 |
| flip214 | DuncanT: if a minute stall is too long, you'll need active/active services. | 16:46 |
| hemna | like a listening mask | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Definitely, but we need to fix this bug now. | 16:47 |
| hemna | yah :( | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | flip214: Active/active makes this worse | 16:47 |
| dulek | bswartz: It cannot, scheduler need to connect to get the stats | 16:47 |
| dulek | bswartz: once it connects - it gets everything, even requests | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | flip214: Active/active means when the second one comes up, it takes half the live requests but stalls them all for a minutes | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: Sounds like having less stall is preferred. | 16:47 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:47 |
| bswartz | so the scheduler needs a way to start accepting stats updates without accepting create requests | 16:48 |
| dulek | jungleboyj: thank you, I was getting more and more confused | 16:48 |
| winston-d | dulek: correctness and eventually/overall fairnes | 16:48 |
| thingee | I think this needs to be more thought out honestly. I agree with jungleboyj that I don't really see what this is fixing. And it's as other people raised making other scheduler cases of active/active worse. | 16:48 |
| dulek | thingee: which solution? | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Wheee! | 16:48 |
| thingee | this delay thing. dulek, jungleboyj asked you what are we actually noticing being reported up as a problem here. | 16:49 |
| winston-d | dulek: i'm not too concerned about a few requests not being placing to the 'best' backend it can be. | 16:49 |
| thingee | I didn't see an answer to that. | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: ++ | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: ++ | 16:49 |
| cebruns | winston-d: +1 Perfect is the enemy of good. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | That is the feeling I am getting here. I wouldn't want to wait 60 seconds every time we are restarted if it can be avoided. | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Start a new scheduler (active/active for example). For 30 seconds, right now, half your volumes go into error | 16:49 |
| dulek | thingee: So the problem is - if there are requests in the queue and scheduler starts - it will fail all of them | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | thingee: That is the current bug | 16:50 |
| hemna | winston-d, except it might fail via capabilities masking before the right backend reports | 16:50 |
| thingee | dulek: can you check if something is in the queue, if so, do we have a backend reported? no, ok delay | 16:51 |
| thingee | but don't delay by default | 16:51 |
| winston-d | hemna: that's why DuncanT proposed scheudler only starts processing request when the first 'acceptable' backend is available. | 16:51 |
| dulek | thingee: No, oslo.messaging won't allow that now | 16:51 |
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| thingee | the bug again seems in oslo.messaging. | 16:51 |
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| dulek | thingee: yes, we're talking about solution for kilo | 16:52 |
| hemna | thingee, or, we separate the queues for API -> scheduler and c-vol -> scheduler | 16:52 |
| dulek | thingee: as we agreed on the bug discussion that it's too late to request changes in oslo | 16:52 |
| thingee | dulek: you mean L right? think a release already went out | 16:52 |
| hemna | and we don't listen to the API topic until the scheduler is ready. | 16:52 |
| winston-d | hemna: we have separate queues. | 16:52 |
| thingee | dulek: I wouldn't want this in K for cinder though. it's too late without seeing potential issues. | 16:52 |
| hemna | winston-d, there is only 1 scheduler_topic | 16:52 |
| hemna | I'm suggestion 2 scheduler topics | 16:53 |
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| e0ne | hemna: the problem is we can't listen only on queue | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | thingee: This is a real bug in K right now | 16:53 |
| dulek | Okay, did we agreed that the patch should follow DuncanT's idea? | 16:53 |
| hemna | 7 minutes left | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | thingee: We hit it in release testing, it is trivial to trigger | 16:53 |
| hemna | can we continue to hack out ideas in cinder channel and move on ? | 16:53 |
| thingee | hemna: there is nothing else | 16:53 |
| hemna | ok | 16:54 |
| dulek | So that would be - if we're in the 60-seconds-time-windows then we should ask scheduler_driver every second if it fails? | 16:54 |
| * anteaya is hoping for open discussion | 16:54 | |
| thingee | ok we'll continue to #openstack-cinder after the meeting | 16:54 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 16:54 |
| anteaya | so these are the jobs jenkins is running on cinder: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml#n1066 | 16:55 |
| anteaya | does everyone know what these mean or how to find out? | 16:55 |
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| anteaya | because if not, I would like to help you so you can know | 16:55 |
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| bswartz | anteaya: I promise you not everyone knows | 16:55 |
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| anteaya | since when I asked about jobs running on cinder, or about to last week noone seemed to know about sheepdog | 16:56 |
| anteaya | bswartz: I dont' take your word for it | 16:56 |
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| anteaya | they are here and can speak for themselves | 16:56 |
| anteaya | bswartz: are you saying you know? | 16:56 |
| anteaya | bswartz: because if so, that's great | 16:56 |
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| cebruns | anteaya: I'll be honest and say I don't know. :) | 16:56 |
| bswartz | I know where to find this stuff when I need to | 16:56 |
| anteaya | cebruns: thanks | 16:56 |
| anteaya | bswartz: great | 16:57 |
| * jungleboyj doesn't | 16:57 | |
| anteaya | I'm not pointing fingers, if anyting this is a failing from my end | 16:57 |
| anteaya | which I want to fix | 16:57 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: great thank you | 16:57 |
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| anteaya | okay so I'd like to fix this so all folks in cinder who want to know know how to figure out what is running on jenkins against cinder repos | 16:57 |
| anteaya | I was thinking maybe a q and a tutorial? | 16:58 |
| anteaya | what do folks think of that? | 16:58 |
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| anteaya | nothing? | 16:58 |
| anteaya | am I invading your space? | 16:58 |
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| anteaya | if this isn't helpful I can find the door | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | anteaya: Sounds good, but think we are out of time here. | 16:59 |
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| flip214 | oh, it would be very interesting! | 16:59 |
| dulek | some of guys are already on openstack-cinder | 16:59 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 16:59 |
| winston-d | anteaya: tutorial would be nice | 16:59 |
| cebruns | anteaya: I think it's good. | 16:59 |
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| dulek | anteaya: tutorial would be great | 16:59 |
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| anteaya | okay thanks let me work on that | 16:59 |
| anteaya | I'm done | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: I am fine with that. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:59 |
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| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| winston-d | anteaya: thx | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks anteaya | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 17:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-25-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-25-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-25-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 17:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | hi folks | 17:01 |
| thangp | o/ | 17:01 |
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| rgerganov | hello | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | lets get started | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | thangp: did you get an traction on that bug you were asking about last week? | 17:02 |
| thangp | nope | 17:02 |
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| thangp | i think it's not a high priority bug or item right now | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | did you ask on the ML or on irc for cores to help look at it… yeah it is probably not. hmmm.. after k-3 people will be looking at bug fixes more | 17:03 |
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| thangp | ok...i asked a couple of cores for reviews | 17:04 |
| thangp | nothing yet | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | did they respond at all - like "no time right now" or ignore? | 17:04 |
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| thangp | ignore | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | :-( | 17:05 |
| thangp | i guess we can wait until after k-3 | 17:05 |
| thangp | vmware doesnt get a lot of love from nova :P | 17:05 |
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| tjones1 | yeah i guess so. Lets update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo with the links to the bugs we want to push after k-3. | 17:06 |
| thangp | it will eventually get through, i hope | 17:06 |
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| thangp | ok, will do | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | i added a link a the bottomw for but fixes | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | rgerganov: w.r.t. the hypervisor name vs id - is that a DB change? | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | yes, it is | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | :-( | 17:07 |
| rgerganov | I discussed that with mdbooth | 17:07 |
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| rgerganov | he believes that we should enforce only the uniqueness for now | 17:07 |
| * mdbooth waves | 17:08 | |
| rgerganov | mdbooth: hey :) | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | would be really good to get in - he mdbooth. you guys think this is likely for k given a db change?? | 17:08 |
| mdbooth | rgerganov: Yes, I'm in favour of the change, but don't want to mix it in with another change. | 17:08 |
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| rgerganov | mdbooth: agree. let's try to make the field unique first | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | it's a step in the right direction. do you have a link handy? | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269/ | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | tjones1: As for K, it's related to a critical bug, so the process *should* allow it. | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | thanks | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | added it to the list | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | Whether it will is a different matter. | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | yeah :-P | 17:11 |
| rgerganov | mdbooth: I didn't know that Ironic is also using non-hostnames for hypervisor_hostname | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | Yeah, uuids | 17:11 |
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| mdbooth | As I'm here, will there be an opportunity to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1329261? | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1329261 in VMwareAPI-Team "vmware: VCdriver creates same hypervisor_hostname for different vcenters with same Cluster name" [Critical,In progress] | 17:12 |
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| mdbooth | apologies if it was covered earlier | 17:12 |
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| tjones1 | it was not - and yes we can | 17:12 |
| mdbooth | Is now good? | 17:13 |
| tjones1 | yes - go for it | 17:13 |
| mdbooth | So, I picked this up because rgerganov mentioned it and it's kinda related to the other thing | 17:13 |
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| mdbooth | I've rebased the change, but I've been thinking about the data migration issue | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | Instances with the wrong node seems less severe than instances with the wrong host | 17:15 |
| mdbooth | But I can't help but feel that bad things will happen if we don't migrate them | 17:15 |
| mdbooth | Does anybody here have a good handle on that? | 17:15 |
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| rgerganov | so we need to migrate both compute nodes *and* instances? | 17:16 |
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| mdbooth | Compute nodes should fix themselves | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | i.e. a new one will be created automatically on startup | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | And the old one will just go stale | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | there's some mechanism which will clean it up iirc | 17:17 |
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| mdbooth | But instance.node will now point to a non-existent compute node | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | I scanned the code, and almost nothing outside the driver uses it | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | But almost > nothing | 17:18 |
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| rgerganov | I remember that some of the core reviewers wanted to remove the node property | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | And I couldn't convince myself that it was definitely safe to leave alone | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | Well that's not going to happen any time soon without kicking Ironic out of tree | 17:19 |
| rgerganov | what if we create a script which updates the node field of existing instances? | 17:19 |
| rgerganov | there was a nova-manage or something like that ... | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | sec. | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | I thought of that. It's going to need to be passed the vcenter's uuid as a parameter | 17:20 |
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| rgerganov | that should be fine I guess | 17:21 |
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| mdbooth | I had an idea to do it in init_host | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | It's already getting a list of all instances associated with a host | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | If it passed that list to the driver, we could update it at startup | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | but that means putting VMware specific code in the compute manager? | 17:22 |
| rgerganov | maybe I am missing something | 17:22 |
| mdbooth | It would mean adding an extra driver method | 17:22 |
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| mdbooth | and having the vmware driver implement it | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | no one will approve that :) | 17:23 |
| tjones1 | hahahaha | 17:23 |
| mdbooth | My thoughts precisely :/ | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | let's go with a migration plan which involves running a script | 17:23 |
| rgerganov | we did the same when deprecated the ESX driver as far as I remember | 17:24 |
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| mdbooth | So the current patch does this: | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99623/16/nova/virt/vmwareapi/driver.py,cm | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | _normalize_nodename | 17:24 |
| mdbooth | How about we leave that in there, and handle the data migration independently? | 17:25 |
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| rgerganov | in other words supporting the old node names for some period of time? | 17:26 |
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| mdbooth | To be precise, it would mean that the *driver* would support the old node names | 17:26 |
| mdbooth | There may be other Nova code that doesn't like the mix of node names | 17:27 |
| mdbooth | That's the bit I was concerned about | 17:27 |
| mdbooth | I couldn't convince myself it doesn't exist | 17:27 |
| rgerganov | ok, I get it now | 17:27 |
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| rgerganov | are you going to post the rebased patch? | 17:28 |
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| mdbooth | rgerganov: Yes | 17:28 |
| rgerganov | ok, thanks | 17:28 |
| mdbooth | Not this evening, though | 17:28 |
| rgerganov | no hurry :) | 17:28 |
| mdbooth | It's mostly done. | 17:28 |
| mdbooth | Passing all tests. | 17:28 |
| tjones1 | i've added this one to the list BTW | 17:28 |
| tjones1 | we'll want to get a minesweeper run on it of course | 17:29 |
| mdbooth | +1 | 17:29 |
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| tjones1 | any other critical bugs we should be trying to get into k? | 17:29 |
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| tjones1 | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 17:33 |
| tjones1 | if not we are done | 17:33 |
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| rgerganov | I don't have anything else | 17:34 |
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| tjones1 | ok thanks guys. have a good week | 17:34 |
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| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
| rgerganov | thanks | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 17:34:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-02-25-17.01.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-02-25-17.01.txt | 17:34 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 18:03:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trainers)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:03 |
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| sarob | this will be informational as we have not officially started up this group yet | 18:04 |
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| sarob | #info openstack trainer cert test creation group is starting. public information very soon. | 18:04 |
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| sarob | #info training-guides has branched icehouse, almost finished with juno branch | 18:05 |
| sarob | #info juno branch will be cut early march | 18:05 |
| sarob | #info published html slides will be standard for the juno branch and going forward | 18:06 |
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| sarob | anyone else ? | 18:06 |
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| sarob | morning salman_ | 18:07 |
| Salman_ | morning sarob | 18:07 |
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| sarob | juno branch is almost ready | 18:07 |
| Salman_ | great | 18:07 |
| sarob | we have some of the slides merged | 18:07 |
| sarob | we are working through the slide publishing automation | 18:08 |
| Salman_ | That will be great if slides can be automatically published | 18:08 |
| sarob | agreed | 18:08 |
| sarob | we should have it worked out by early next week | 18:09 |
| sarob | slightly different RST formats | 18:09 |
| sarob | we are figuring out which is best | 18:09 |
| sarob | dguitarbite: you around? | 18:09 |
| Salman_ | Is there a link available to peek into the site... before it become available to everyone. | 18:10 |
| Salman_ | before it becomes GA | 18:10 |
| sarob | html is not published yet | 18:10 |
| Salman_ | ok | 18:10 |
| sarob | after we get it published to | 18:11 |
| Salman_ | is there any beta-site link? | 18:11 |
| sarob | #link openstack.org/trunk/training-guides | 18:11 |
| Salman_ | ok | 18:11 |
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| sarob | will be where the new content | 18:11 |
| sarob | lives | 18:11 |
| sarob | right now it is stale icehouse xml html | 18:12 |
| Salman_ | ok | 18:12 |
| sarob | #link http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/training-guides/content/ | 18:12 |
| sarob | is current stable | 18:12 |
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| sarob | #link http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/training-guides/ | 18:13 |
| sarob | will always be 'beta' | 18:13 |
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| sarob | once juno is cut | 18:13 |
| sarob | #link http://docs.openstack.org/juno/training-guides/content/ | 18:13 |
| sarob | will be stable release | 18:13 |
| Salman_ | ok | 18:13 |
| sarob | and so on | 18:13 |
| sarob | i am going to ask for the training-guides link be added to the training marketplace under openstack online help | 18:14 |
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| sarob | #link http://openstack.org/marketplace/training | 18:14 |
| sarob | once that is done | 18:15 |
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| sarob | we restart user group training sessions | 18:15 |
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| sarob | and ill ask for our scheduled training sessions to be | 18:15 |
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| sarob | added inline with the rest of the training | 18:15 |
| sarob | it should be awesome for turnout | 18:16 |
| Salman_ | I think we should provide link from openstack help to land to the training site as well | 18:16 |
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| sarob | help? | 18:16 |
| Salman_ | what kind if help? | 18:17 |
| Salman_ | what kind of help? | 18:17 |
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| sarob | you said "I think we should provide link from openstack help to land to the training site as well" | 18:17 |
| sarob | what is that? | 18:17 |
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| Salman_ | I am thinking that when someone installs the openstack and click help, they should be able to land to the site of training-slides. | 18:18 |
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| Salman_ | Right now I don't remember if the openstack online help has any link to the training site. | 18:19 |
| sarob | hmm, doesnt go to doc.openstack.org? | 18:19 |
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| Salman_ | not sure.. | 18:20 |
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| sarob | docs.openstack.org has get training button up top | 18:20 |
| sarob | we can add the training guides icehouse release in user guides | 18:21 |
| sarob | also in the training marketplace where the docs.openstack.org button links to | 18:21 |
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| Salman_ | under docs there should be link to the "training" | 18:22 |
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| Salman_ | I mean docs should have drop-down and one link should be training | 18:22 |
| sarob | dropdown? | 18:22 |
| sarob | thats a different design than what docs is using right now | 18:23 |
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| sarob | id settle for a spot under user guides | 18:23 |
| Salman_ | Agreed.. | 18:25 |
| sarob | anything else? | 18:25 |
| Salman_ | when is next meetup? | 18:25 |
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| sarob | when do you have time? | 18:27 |
| sarob | do we want to wait for slide publishing first? | 18:28 |
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| sarob | whats your preferred block of time? | 18:28 |
| sarob | like once a week for 6 weeks or twice a week for 3 weeks | 18:29 |
| Salman_ | I can spare time on Thursday evenings.. | 18:29 |
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| Salman_ | once a week is what I can be available. | 18:29 |
| sarob | sounds good | 18:29 |
| sarob | we should figure out a backup and or assistant | 18:30 |
| sarob | so its not all on you | 18:30 |
| Salman_ | Yes, that will be great.. | 18:30 |
| sarob | lets get the publishing going | 18:30 |
| Salman_ | indeed | 18:31 |
| Salman_ | anything else? | 18:31 |
| sarob | next trainers meeting we set a prelim time to restart sfo training? | 18:31 |
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| Salman_ | ok | 18:31 |
| sarob | #action next meeting we set prelim schedule for sfo associate training | 18:31 |
| sarob | #action sarob find salman an assistant | 18:31 |
| sarob | im good | 18:31 |
| sarob | see you next week | 18:32 |
| Salman_ | signing off now | 18:32 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 18:32:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-02-25-18.03.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-02-25-18.03.txt | 18:32 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 18:59 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 18:59:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 18:59 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 18:59 |
| peluse | howdy | 19:00 |
| jrichli | here | 19:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 19:00 |
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| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
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| torgomatic | 👋 | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: you always intro yourself with an emoji | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: good morning | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | kota_: glad you're here. we were just looking at one of your patches | 19:01 |
| cschwede | hello | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: 😃 | 19:01 |
| notmyname | cschwede: dinner was good? | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yes, thx :) | 19:01 |
| notmyname | ok, just a few things to cover this week. mostly a status check | 19:02 |
| notmyname | first up, as promised last week, I'll be focusing on EC status | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic EC status | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EC status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | GET patches have landed | 19:02 |
| notmyname | yay | 19:02 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: peluse: what's missing from them? | 19:02 |
| peluse | write *and* read, wow | 19:02 |
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| peluse | all the partial PUT failure stuff on the GET side is missing | 19:03 |
| peluse | but there's a trello card for that | 19:03 |
| notmyname | gotcha | 19:03 |
| peluse | tsg is, any minute, going to push the updated multiphase patch that has all of PUT complete | 19:03 |
| notmyname | great | 19:03 |
| peluse | except the correct ETAG/content-length in the DB | 19:03 |
| notmyname | and peluse has the reconstructor patch | 19:03 |
| peluse | that will be a new patch (item on trello) that thiago has agreed to knock out after alistair's override path clands | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | nice | 19:04 |
| peluse | yes, on the reconstructor | 19:04 |
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| peluse | more progress on unit tests, etc. hwoever I think I'm going to take a day and break it up a bit | 19:04 |
| notmyname | multiple patches? | 19:04 |
| peluse | at least try to spearate the non-reconstructor diskfile chagnes out | 19:04 |
| peluse | yes | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:04 |
| peluse | essentially support for multiple fragment archive indexes | 19:05 |
| notmyname | it does seem kinda big | 19:05 |
| * acoles apologises for late arrival | 19:05 | |
| notmyname | acoles: no worries | 19:05 |
| peluse | because that will be needed by the remaining GET work which won't want to depend on my growing reconstructor patch | 19:05 |
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| peluse | so that will be the rest of my week... trying to carve that out and push an update to reconstructor as well | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | peluse: and so you expect that to be split up tomorrow some time? | 19:05 |
| peluse | or Fri | 19:06 |
| notmyname | ah. endof-week | 19:06 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:06 |
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| peluse | maybe tomorrow :) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | so looking at trello | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:06 |
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| peluse | I will be setting up some time to online code review on Fri as well | 19:06 |
| notmyname | we've got the GET handling you mentioned. the PUT to land. and the multi part reconstructor piece | 19:06 |
| notmyname | and tests and docs | 19:06 |
| peluse | yup | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | but looking at the functional pieces required to have a beta in kilo, that's what we've got | 19:07 |
| notmyname | so, for everyone, is there something missing? | 19:07 |
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| peluse | I *think* the red items on trello make a good beta | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | we've talked a little about the docs parts. I think some docs are necessary (at least "how to set it up and use it"), but all those IMO aren't required | 19:08 |
| notmyname | eg perf considerations or best prectices | 19:08 |
| peluse | what's our target for landing the beta requirements on feature/ec? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | I don't think we have any idea | 19:08 |
| notmyname | (about the docs) | 19:08 |
| peluse | :) | 19:08 |
| peluse | I figured | 19:08 |
| clayg | peluse: right before we propose to master | 19:09 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:09 |
| peluse | ha! | 19:09 |
| cschwede | maybe i missed that, but what if the reconciler has to move from 3-replicas to EC? is that/will that be supported? | 19:09 |
| notmyname | cschwede: good questions | 19:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: any ideas? just works? needs code? | 19:09 |
| clayg | cschwede: we'll have to test it now that we have most of EC working - but internal client shouldn't really care about the source and destination policies | 19:09 |
| peluse | yup, agreed | 19:09 |
| clayg | GET -> PUT if it works for the client it should work for the reconciler | 19:10 |
| peluse | back to the data question.... | 19:10 |
| peluse | notmyname? | 19:10 |
| peluse | date, not data | 19:10 |
| notmyname | ok, dates.. | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | by next week we need to make a call. do we have enough velocity and small enough scope to finish what we'd be ok calling a beta by kilo | 19:11 |
| clayg | peluse: i don't understand - we want everything on feature ec as soon as possible, but having docs on feature/ec two weeks before the two week merge period to master doesn't seem useful | 19:11 |
| notmyname | we have about 4 weeks from now to start the merge to master | 19:11 |
| notmyname | and then 2 weeks for the merge | 19:11 |
| notmyname | then the RC | 19:11 |
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| peluse | looking at calendar, one sec | 19:11 |
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| peluse | so around Mar 25 start the merge to master you're thinking? | 19:12 |
| clayg | not very far away | 19:12 |
| peluse | nope, and I'll be drinking wine in Napa Mar 26/27 BTW | 19:12 |
| * notmyname pulls out notes | 19:12 | |
| peluse | 20 yr anniversary and all... | 19:13 |
| notmyname | nice | 19:13 |
| notmyname | mar 27 | 19:13 |
| peluse | but if that's the case the timing for our Mar 18 mini-F2F is just about perfect for identifying/wrapping loose ends, planning merge stratgy | 19:13 |
| notmyname | estimating the RC on april 10 | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | nothing say anniversary like some EC work :P | 19:13 |
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| peluse | yeah, that's go over well! Hold on honey, gottta check zuul.... | 19:14 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | so I think this last week (since last meeting), things have gone well. thank you to everyone for that | 19:15 |
| peluse | OK, so anyway. yeah I think we can make it. Big thing for me is breaking the recon up a bit and spending some quality review time especially in some of the test code | 19:15 |
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| peluse | can we get another core set of eyes on acoles header patch? | 19:15 |
| notmyname | for those looking to review something, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158821/ by acoles is necessary for EC and crypto | 19:16 |
| cschwede | peluse: yep me | 19:16 |
| peluse | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158821/ | 19:16 |
| peluse | thanks | 19:16 |
| notmyname | peluse: and tsg will be pushing new patch sets asap? | 19:16 |
| notmyname | that's the blocker there, I think | 19:16 |
| peluse | he was aiming to have it done before this meeting. since he's not here I assume he is frantically working on it :) | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | I looked at that patch some, but then I fell into the rabbit hole of failing probetests | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | hope to get back to it today | 19:16 |
| tdasilva | same here | 19:16 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks for the status update | 19:17 |
| acoles | peluse: let me know if there is anything more that i can usefully do building on that patch | 19:17 |
| peluse | look for tsg's patch today, I'mm mention it in IRC when it comes out | 19:17 |
| notmyname | kota_: FYI you might be interested in some of those probetest failures. see the playback in #openstack-swift for details | 19:17 |
| notmyname | peluse: thanks | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #topic fsync on dirs | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | this is something we spent time on at the hackathon | 19:17 |
| peluse | acoles, I think its good. tdasilva already did some quick testing w/the DLO failure on EC GET and it worked (he can comment more) and will be finishing the EC specific stuff in that area after it lands | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126923/ | 19:17 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I think you wanted a status update on it | 19:18 |
| notmyname | looks like ppai has pushed a new patch set | 19:18 |
| tdasilva | acoles: I can provide a paste so you can see the patch I have for EC and how i'm building on top of your patch | 19:18 |
| notmyname | and acoles has some updated benchmark numbers | 19:18 |
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| peluse | tdasilva, me too please | 19:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah...we left the hackathon trying to make a decision and waiting to hear from rackspace guys | 19:18 |
| acoles | tdasilva: ok cool | 19:18 |
| * peluse apoligizes for not switching gears fat enough :) | 19:19 | |
| kota_ | notmyname: ya, interesting (about probetests) | 19:19 |
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| acoles | re fsync on dirs i repeated my benchmark just fsyncing the leaf dir and it made no difference | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: ah, yes. we didn't hear anything from rackers yet. I'll add them to the review. but otherwise, Ithink it's ready to go | 19:19 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: the latest patch set has the comments we made in person? eg the always on, no config? | 19:20 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: ok, just wanted to make sure | 19:20 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: IMO it should be reviewed, and I'll add dfg and glange and hurricanerix_ to it | 19:20 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: need to double check, but I believe so | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:20 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: yep, no option | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I'll also add it to priority reviews | 19:21 |
| notmyname | anythign else on that patch? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks for bringing it up? | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | s/?// | 19:21 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: nothing from me | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:21 |
| cutforth | sorry, i'm late folks | 19:21 |
| notmyname | cutforth: welcome | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | #topic python-swiftclient | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | there's been a lot of stuff that's landed on swiftclient since the last release was tagged | 19:22 |
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| zaitcev | I think MD5 is the biggest, the rest is meh. | 19:22 |
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| * cschwede agrees with zaitcev | 19:22 | |
| notmyname | for those of you who have been looking at it, what are your thoughts on tagging a new release? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: you had the pseudo dirs crash fix. that's good | 19:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: there's one of jeol's patches might be good to land | 19:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok. got a link? | 19:23 |
| acoles | min | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | oh, that was a while ago. I also fixed Darrell's crash. But those were safe from regressions, relatively speaking. | 19:24 |
| clayg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130339/ | 19:24 |
| acoles | sorry gerrit slow https://review.openstack.org/130339 | 19:24 |
| notmyname | clayg: acoles: thanks | 19:24 |
| zaitcev | Right, the shuffle | 19:24 |
| acoles | clayg: beat me :) | 19:24 |
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| acoles | been a while since i looked at it so need to revisit | 19:25 |
| zaitcev | I think I have a question, if anyone understands. We used to shuffle everything. Now we shuffle inside a page (even if it's enabled). So... How big is the page? | 19:25 |
| notmyname | ok. I'll track that one and look at a release after it lands | 19:25 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:25 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: ~10K | 19:25 |
| zaitcev | That patch has surprisingly big benefit, if you run "time swift download blah" it shows hundreds of kilobytes less even for rather small downloads. | 19:26 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:26 |
| cschwede | wait a second, is the latest release from september 2014? ok, there are a lot of interesting commits then | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 19:27 |
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| zaitcev | Probably might as well cut it before the shuffle patch, to be safe. I'll package it into Fedora right away. | 19:27 |
| notmyname | before? why? | 19:28 |
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| zaitcev | well, to have a known-good release... | 19:28 |
| notmyname | if it's reviewed and tested and landed, I'd call it known-good | 19:29 |
| notmyname | unless there's a big gotcha in this one. anyone else have strong thoughts? acoles? clayg? | 19:30 |
| notmyname | I see | 19:30 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:30 |
| acoles | iirc from when i last looked the only issue i had was how to verify the download sequencing | 19:30 |
| acoles | in unit tests | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | this is the part of the meeting that you make fun of me about: "anything? anyone?" <wait 30 secs> "ok, moving on...." | 19:31 |
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| acoles | i'll look at it again tomorrow | 19:32 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: if you've got some strong concerns, i'm fine with cutting one before. but if it's reviewed and tested, I'm fine with including it in a release | 19:32 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 19:32 |
| acoles | notmyname: sorry, memory has faded a bit on that one | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | no worries | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I don't have strong concerns. | 19:33 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:33 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | anything else? | 19:33 |
| notmyname | that's all I've got for this week | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | <wait X seconds> | 19:33 |
| acoles | tick - tock | 19:33 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for attending and working on swift! | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 19:34:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-25-18.59.html | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-25-18.59.txt | 19:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-02-25-18.59.log.html | 19:34 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 20:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| prazumovsky | hello | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | hi | 20:00 |
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| jpeeler | hello | 20:00 |
| dgonzalez | hi | 20:00 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| miguelgrinberg | hello | 20:00 |
| inc0 | \o | 20:00 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 20:01 |
| skraynev | hi all | 20:01 |
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| spzala | hi | 20:01 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:01 |
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| asalkeld | any new topics? | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | ok, moving on | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | there is alway open discussion | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | #topic Vancouver Design Summit space needs | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit space needs (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:03 | |
| asalkeld | ttx needs to figure out what space we need at summit | 20:04 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14pryalH3rVVQGHdyE3QeeZ3eDrs_1KfqfykxSTvrfyI/edit?usp=sharing | 20:04 |
| skraynev | zaneb: morning | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | can you guys view this | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | I can | 20:04 |
| ryansb | yup | 20:04 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yep | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | ok so there are some rules | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | You shouldn't ask for more than 18 sessions total (fishbowl + work) | 20:05 |
| zaneb | remind me what a work session is? | 20:05 |
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| * zaneb knew this at one point | 20:05 | |
| stevebaker | like a fishbowl in a smaller bowl? | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | work sesion is small semi closed door | 20:05 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | less spectators | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | spectators good for usability stuff | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | assuming they use heat | 20:06 |
| skraynev | agree | 20:06 |
| inc0 | uhh....when it comes to usability, everyone has different opinion | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | I guess topics that affect operators and users would be good for fishbowl | 20:06 |
| shardy | inc0: true, but operator/end-user feedback is good vs all developers :) | 20:07 |
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| inc0 | stevebaker, +1 , something about HA of heat would be good | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | so I put down 5 fishbowl and 10 work + 1 friday | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | any tweaking ? | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | suggestions ?? | 20:07 |
| shardy | sounds good to me | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | that sounds fine | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | sounds pretty good | 20:08 |
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| asalkeld | ok cool | 20:08 |
| shardy | we had an etherpad with session suggestions didn't we? | 20:08 |
| * shardy looks for it | 20:08 | |
| zaneb | hopefully the fishbowl will reduce the need for 2 sessions on Friday | 20:08 |
| zaneb | as long as we get Friday AM | 20:08 |
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| inc0 | shardy, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | +1 to that | 20:08 |
| zaneb | because everyone always leaves at lunch time for some reason | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | the gibbering wreck session | 20:08 |
| inc0 | ahh wrong release | 20:08 |
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| inc0 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 20:09 |
| zaneb | sorry s/fishbowl/work sessions/ | 20:09 |
| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 20:09 |
| shardy | inc0: thanks | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | need to start adding ideas to that | 20:10 |
| inc0 | shardy, by the way, maybe you'd like to say word or two about decouple nested? | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | we do have a heap of sessions to fill | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | inc0: in this topic? | 20:10 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: also , I think we should re-read heat usability - improvements page and remove some completed staff | 20:11 |
| inc0 | yeah, seems like nice leap in terms of heat HA | 20:11 |
| shardy | inc0: we can chat about that in open discussion, by all means | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | i'll move on | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | #topic Heat Mission statement: | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | this is just a heads up, that someone posted a new one | 20:11 |
| shardy | Oh no, not this again! ;) | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | as ours is missing | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | diediedie | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154049/ | 20:12 |
| skraynev | lol... | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | can't we just get a simple something in there? | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | "heat makes stuff with templates" ;) | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | I thought we had one somewhere else | 20:13 |
| inc0 | "heat makes stuff" is enough;) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | with programs going away, I'm not sure this is even needed any more | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | it's definitely a lot less critical to get the wording right | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | since in the big tent, competing projects are welcome | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | yeah, heat is a project, and that proposed mission seems to sum up what it does. +1 | 20:14 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116703/1/reference/programs.yaml | 20:14 |
| zaneb | so there's no danger of staking out too much space | 20:14 |
| shardy | that's the original review which some of us commented on | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | maybe s/standardized/declarative/ | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 20:15 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | template based declarative resource orchestration? | 20:15 |
| inc0 | I'd add a word that heat is really only project with full context of network, compute and so on...but someone with better english would have to rephrase that | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | inc0: I think "composite cloud applications" implies that | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | actually what stevebaker said is fine | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: you adding that as a comment? | 20:17 |
| pas-ha | +1 for declarative, we keep fighting off imperative stuff :) | 20:17 |
| ryansb | +1 seriously. | 20:17 |
| zaneb | +2 | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | ours was too wordy | 20:18 |
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| asalkeld | cool to move on? | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | please | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | #topic update from cross project | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management/Liberty_Tracking | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | please all read that ^ sometime | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | also there is this use asyncio / threads spec | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | (getting link) | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-specs,n,z | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | we should all be adding feedback there I think | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | or at least if you are passionate about the $topic | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | where did starting heat-engine with multiple workers end up? | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: afaik it works | 20:21 |
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| asalkeld | shardy: ^ | 20:21 |
| zaneb | I believe it works but is not on by default | 20:22 |
| shardy | Yeah it works, or at least it did last time I tested it | 20:22 |
| shardy | Getting it tested in the gate would be cool, but there was disagreement about running multiple workers by default | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | so in theory heat-engine could just ditch eventlet entirely and we call workers our concurrency solution? | 20:22 |
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| inc0 | uhh...having to move whole thing to pure async will cost a lot of work... | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | inc0: i agree with that | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | prefer stevebaker solution | 20:23 |
| inc0 | async is cool, but its hell for debugging | 20:23 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: arguably it's more complicated than that | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | processes + messaging | 20:23 |
| * stevebaker waves dismissable and mumbles | 20:23 | |
| asalkeld | ok, moving on - this was just a heads up | 20:24 |
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| asalkeld | stuff is happening | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | thanks for the update | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: workers are just engines that are not managed by systemd | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | #topic Short question about increasing nested depth default value for using it in Sahara. | 20:24 |
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| skraynev | it's mine | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | what is the default depth currently? | 20:25 |
| skraynev | could we increase this value to 4 or 5 https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/common/config.py#L80 ? | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | 3 | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | thats really low | 20:25 |
| shardy | Yeah it does seem pretty low now, given all the provider resources etc | 20:25 |
| pas-ha | recent discussion with Sahara devs suggests that they need it at least 4 if they move to all-Heat internal orchestration | 20:26 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: it's for now ;) so may be we want to make it bigger then 4 ;) | 20:26 |
| pas-ha | yep, that's for starters | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: the use resource group? | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | yes | 20:27 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: yes | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | with a template as the resource | 20:27 |
| skraynev | nested resource groups | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | the only reason we had a nested depth limit was because it was expensive to do a total resource count. Don't we store resource counts now? We could rely on a resource limit instead of nested limit | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | so that's 3 levels right there? | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: it's the same | 20:27 |
| pas-ha | Cluster->NodeGroup->NodeGroupElement->Instance+ResourceGroup->volumes | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: i really need to change tat | 20:27 |
| skraynev | stack -> resource_group1 -> resource_group2 | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | as we can't pass parent_resource object | 20:28 |
| skraynev | it is 4 | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | so each stack would need to reload every stack | 20:28 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: thinks in the same graphic way:) | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | which is horrible | 20:28 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1331227 | 20:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1331227 in heat "nested stack depth too low" [Wishlist,Opinion] | 20:28 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: agree | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: it should be a db lookup | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: it should. I thought it was already | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: the nested level is in the db, the total res count is not | 20:30 |
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| asalkeld | more levels == more stacks to load and s.total_resources() | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156546/ | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | i am working on that 6 | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | ^ | 20:31 |
| inc0 | I think that should be solvable by some clever sql query tho | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | skraynev: so yeah lets increase it, but we need to think about total_resources() | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | inc0: +1 | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | so in the short term we could raise the limit to ... 5? but we need to acknowelege that this makes us vulnerable to users launching DOS stacks with lots of resources | 20:32 |
| skraynev | I am ok with 5 | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | yeah, and make a bug for this | 20:32 |
| pas-ha | max resource count is 1000, counting the nested too? | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | #topic Mistral resources in Heat. | 20:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mistral resources in Heat. (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:33 | |
| stevebaker | longer term our resource limit needs to apply to all resources (including nested) | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: it does | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: oh, it does? | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | that's why it's so horrible | 20:34 |
| skraynev | about topic: this is mine too ;) | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: its just expensive to calculate? | 20:34 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yeah, it does, but the way we do it isn't nice | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | oh, oki | 20:34 |
| prazumovsky | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/mistral-resources-for-heat,n,z | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: yip as inc0 suggested we need a db query | 20:34 |
| skraynev | both resources are ready for review | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/mistral-resources-for-heat,n,z | 20:35 |
| inc0 | asalkeld, I'll look into it in next few days | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | thanks inc0 | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | inc0: or an extra stack column with the resource count (including nested) | 20:35 |
| skraynev | also we prepared this document with use-cases and examples: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/10iAe--I17c7iFoN0Ouk2DxdrxjsV-QTuzqqNdHzq2-Y/edit?usp=sharing | 20:35 |
| skraynev | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/10iAe--I17c7iFoN0Ouk2DxdrxjsV-QTuzqqNdHzq2-Y/edit?usp=sharing | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | prazumovsky: nice, sorry haven't come back to review | 20:35 |
| inc0 | stevebaker, I'll start with query...I dislike redundancy like that - its prone to desynchronizations | 20:36 |
| shardy | nice work, I've been meaning to try these | 20:36 |
| inc0 | but we'll see how it goes | 20:36 |
| skraynev | shardy: welcome to play with it ;) | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | inc0: ok, sounds fine | 20:36 |
| shardy | I can't access the doc | 20:36 |
| shardy | skraynev: can you put the docs in-tree with the resources as rst, or short term put it in a wiki/etherpad? | 20:37 |
| skraynev | shardy: sure | 20:37 |
| shardy | great, thanks | 20:37 |
| skraynev | will do it tomorrow ;) | 20:37 |
| skraynev | and will send email with related information | 20:38 |
| shardy | It will be good to see some simple examples to see how it works :) | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | yeah nice work, just need time to review | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | prazumovsky: skraynev need any other input? | 20:39 |
| skraynev | shardy: yes. they are. hope, that it will be interesting ;) | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | or just an update? | 20:39 |
| skraynev | asalkled: updatem that it's ready for review | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | thanks skraynev | 20:40 |
| skraynev | s/updatem/update, | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | i'll move to open discussion | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:40 |
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| prazumovsky | sorry, thank you, skraynev for answer | 20:40 |
| skraynev | prazumovsky: np | 20:40 |
| jpeeler | i have something | 20:41 |
| jpeeler | My day to day role has shifted away from Heat and so I think it's best that I step down from core, rather than get voted out later due to inactivity | 20:41 |
| jpeeler | Is this meeting an official enough announcement or do I need to send out an email? | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler: :-( | 20:41 |
| inc0 | shardy, about talk about decouple-nested - I got questions all the time about lack of HA in heat - I think any improvement in this matter would be good to announce broadly | 20:41 |
| inc0 | ops still distrust us:( | 20:42 |
| shardy | jpeeler: sorry to hear that, thanks for all the work until now :) | 20:42 |
| skraynev | jpeeler: bad news... | 20:42 |
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| asalkeld | jpeeler: not sure, normally an email to mailing list? | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | jpeeler: thanks for all your reviews | 20:42 |
| ryansb | jpeeler: you'll be missed | 20:42 |
| shardy | inc0: decouple nested isn't really about HA, it's about making deployment of large trees of stacks more scalable | 20:43 |
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| asalkeld | jpeeler: do you have any blueprints assigned? | 20:43 |
| inc0 | shardy, but it breaks very long tasks into few smaller tasks - its good for both topics | 20:43 |
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| shardy | inc0: it was driven, initially, by the use-case of TripleO, where they want to e.g launch several ResourceGroups with hundreds of nodes in simultaneously | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler: i'll take you off lazy-load-outputs - or do you want to finish that? | 20:44 |
| shardy | obviously it benefits anyone with that sort of scale requirement too though | 20:44 |
| jpeeler | asalkeld: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/lazy-load-outputs | 20:44 |
| shardy | inc0: the thing is, if an engine dies, decouple-nested doesn't enable any HAish recovery from that failure | 20:44 |
| jpeeler | asalkeld: it's possible one day i could finish it, but i'm not sure it's all that important is it? | 20:44 |
| shardy | So while it's clearly a step in the right direction (decouple all-the-things, moving towards fully decoupled convergence model) | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | i can change the milestone | 20:45 |
| shardy | I don't think it really warrants major announcement | 20:45 |
| shardy | What do others think? | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | shardy: not sure | 20:46 |
| skraynev | I think, that we can wait it for the next release. | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | normal release notes? | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | its definitely release not worthy | 20:46 |
| shardy | Maybe we land it and document what it can and can't do in the release notes? | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | release note worthy | 20:46 |
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| shardy | Yeah, and by then we'll know what pieces of convergence have landed so we can relate the topics if appropriate | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:47 |
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| shardy | inc0: thanks for bringing it up, it's definitely good to think about | 20:47 |
| inc0 | well, my point is, it seems we have great deal of mistrust from ops side... it would be good to show people that we care about downtime | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler: did you post any reviews related to that bp? | 20:47 |
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| asalkeld | if so can you post it into the blueprint | 20:48 |
| jpeeler | asalkeld: yeah, but it's pretty far from complete | 20:48 |
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| jpeeler | ok will do | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | so the next person doesn't start from nothing | 20:48 |
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| asalkeld | jpeeler: also say something like "i started this, here is the patch. feel free to take this over" | 20:49 |
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| pas-ha | asalkeld, this=heat :) | 20:51 |
| shardy | inc0: Ok, well that's useful feedback, we definitely need to keep that in mind when communicating features at release time | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | shardy: in decouple-nested did you get ActionInProgress in nested stack updates? | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | one of the last issues i have | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | this is with update policy tests | 20:52 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Hmm, no, but I only tested fairly simple templates tbh | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | O, one notice | 20:53 |
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| asalkeld | Apparently we have ~10 days to at least post code for reviews (for blueprints) | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | by then we need to have all blueprints in "needs code review" | 20:54 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-3 | 20:55 |
| skraynev | wow | 20:55 |
| skraynev | ok | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | i think we are doing quite well, but some convergence bp's need *some* code posted | 20:56 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: suppose, that the same for bugs related with convergence | 20:56 |
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| asalkeld | they are bugs | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | bugs != blueprints | 20:57 |
| skraynev | oh, got it. | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | anything else folks? | 20:57 |
| jpeeler | thanks for all the nice responses earlier! (didn't want to interrupt the meeting earlier) | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler: been great having you | 20:58 |
| ryansb | jpeeler: cheers! | 20:58 |
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| asalkeld | if you come back on heat we can fast track your core status | 20:58 |
| skraynev | jpeeler: come to us with beer ;) | 20:59 |
| jpeeler | ah thanks for that | 20:59 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 20:59:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-25-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-25-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-25-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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