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| annegent_ | one more minute until Doc Team meeting | 13:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 13:59 |
| annegent_ | mornin | 13:59 |
| berendt | hi | 13:59 |
| alexadamov | Hi Anne | 14:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | ircing from phone so itll ve slow typing | 14:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | be | 14:00 |
| annegent_ | hiya | 14:00 |
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| annegent_ | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 14:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegent_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
| annegent_ | Let's kick it off! | 14:00 |
| annegent_ | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
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| annegent_ | APAC met last, but I'll review the action items from this timezone | 14:01 |
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| annegent_ | Sam-I-Am to ask about keystone v3 uptake for major ref architectures like RDO, Mirantis (Rackspace is going to v3) | 14:01 |
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| annegent_ | any info there? | 14:01 |
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| * nickchase will be right back | 14:01 | |
| Sam-I-Am | keystone ptl said use v3, other than that no info | 14:01 |
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| annegent_ | ha of course he did | 14:02 |
| annegent_ | no prob Nick | 14:02 |
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| annegent_ | Does Nick know? | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | supposedly it handles v2 too | 14:02 |
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| nickchase | bak | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | no | 14:02 |
| nickchase | does Nick know what? | 14:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | everything! | 14:03 |
| annegent_ | heh, does your Mirantis ref architecture include v3 keystone? | 14:03 |
| nickchase | well, there's that. :) | 14:03 |
| nickchase | .... good question. I can find out. | 14:03 |
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| annegent_ | all I can figure is that people using v3 keystone dont use domains | 14:03 |
| annegent_ | since that seems to be the last part that nova doesn't support | 14:03 |
| nickchase | what is the actual question that I need to ask? | 14:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we can always include both for a while | 14:04 |
| nickchase | I assume it's not "does Fuel use v3" :) | 14:04 |
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| annegent_ | do you recommend v3 by default | 14:04 |
| nickchase | ah | 14:04 |
| nickchase | ok, checking. | 14:04 |
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| annegent_ | nickchase: we're trying to see if we can convert all CLI commands to openstack CLI | 14:04 |
| annegent_ | ok moving onward | 14:05 |
| annegent_ | #topic Specialty teams reports: Networking, High Availability, Security, Training | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty teams reports: Networking, High Availability, Security, Training (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:05 | |
| annegent_ | Networking want to go ahead nickchase or Sam-I-Am? | 14:05 |
| nickchase | sure. | 14:05 |
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| nickchase | So we sam-i-am et al have pretty much finished most/all of the scenarios and now we're in the process of putting things together and filling in the "here's what you needto know about neutron" portion. | 14:06 |
| nickchase | Elke... | 14:06 |
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| nickchase | has been ill and is back, but despite a superhuman effort by Sam-I-Am to get her up and running I still haven't seen any content. I hope to remedy that today. | 14:07 |
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| nickchase | Also... | 14:07 |
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| annegent_ | ok | 14:07 |
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| nickchase | I have some intro material from megm to add in that I will get to today. | 14:07 |
| annegent_ | all the scenarios, let's take a minute to give high fives all around!!! | 14:07 |
| annegent_ | o/ | 14:07 |
| annegent_ | \o | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | well mostly all :) | 14:07 |
| annegent_ | yeah! | 14:07 |
| nickchase | Also (and I should have started with this) we decided to do RST | 14:07 |
| annegent_ | great | 14:07 |
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| nickchase | Yes, mostly. Sam-I-Am and Phil are doing some variations on what we already have | 14:08 |
| annegent_ | that is great | 14:08 |
| nickchase | and Sam-I-Am is working on diagrams | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | we also submitted a summit talk | 14:08 |
| nickchase | Also ... | 14:08 |
| nickchase | that. :) | 14:08 |
| nickchase | Take it, Sam-I-Am? | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | we want to use a panel to discuss our efforts | 14:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | basically a "how to contrib" deal | 14:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | people with different experience and skill sets putting the guide together | 14:10 |
| annegent_ | I like it | 14:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | not necessarily docs people | 14:10 |
| annegent_ | ok next team? | 14:11 |
| annegent_ | Okay anyone here from the HA Guide team? | 14:11 |
| annegent_ | (keepin' it movin') | 14:11 |
| * nickchase sheepishly raises hand | 14:11 | |
| annegent_ | hee | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 14:11 |
| annegent_ | go for it | 14:11 |
| nickchase | OK, so we have decided to ... | 14:11 |
| annegent_ | I noticed this review is sort of neglected https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143910/ | 14:12 |
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| nickchase | handle the "how does this relate to the install guide" question by summarizing the install guide steps and pointout which need special attention for HA. | 14:12 |
| annegent_ | yes, love that idea | 14:12 |
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| nickchase | So I was hoping to have a suggested TOC for tomorrow's meeting but the person who was going to do that was let go by her company (no names :() but I hope to take care of it anyway. | 14:12 |
| nickchase | And then we figure we'll point back to the HA guide in the install guide. | 14:13 |
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| nickchase | End of status report. | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | nick maybe i can help a bit | 14:13 |
| nickchase | that would be great, thaks | 14:13 |
| nickchase | I will be talking to megm today | 14:13 |
| nickchase | I'm hoping she can help as well. | 14:13 |
| annegent_ | doh. | 14:13 |
| annegent_ | that's always tough | 14:14 |
| nickchase | yeah :( | 14:14 |
| annegent_ | can anyone contact Kenneth at Galera to see what he wants to do with the pre-hols patch? | 14:14 |
| nickchase | fortunately she can still contribute. | 14:14 |
| annegent_ | oh, he's not a galera, sorry | 14:14 |
| annegent_ | I wonder if someone should just pick it up | 14:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | pre-hols? | 14:15 |
| annegent_ | It came in 12/24 | 14:15 |
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| annegent_ | I wish it could get merged before the ops midcycle since HA Guide was quite the topic last time | 14:16 |
| nickchase | when is that? | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think ha will be easier this time aroind | 14:17 |
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| annegent_ | March 9-10 | 14:17 |
| annegent_ | #link http://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-mid-cycle-meetup-tickets-15319934336 | 14:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | mainly because neutron has come a long way | 14:17 |
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| annegent_ | ok, I know Brian Payne can't make this early morning meeting, anyone else with Security Guide updates? | 14:18 |
| annegent_ | Training? | 14:18 |
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| annegent_ | I will mention that at yesterday's TC meeting we decided to enable teams to apply to become project teams again. | 14:19 |
| annegent_ | We (TC) will review them in line. | 14:19 |
| annegent_ | Look for a post from Thierry if you're interested. I think Security, Training, Translations should investigate. | 14:19 |
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| annegent_ | ok | 14:20 |
| annegent_ | #topic User Guides new specialty team | 14:20 |
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| annegent_ | Lana sent an email to the mailing list suggesting a new specialty team, for the User Guides. | 14:21 |
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| annegent_ | I know SUSE is making edits upstream to use to ship with their products, so I invite any other downstream teams to join in if you support end users. | 14:21 |
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| annegent_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005811.html | 14:22 |
| annegent_ | Any questions on that? | 14:22 |
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| nickchase | No questions, but ... | 14:22 |
| annegent_ | sure | 14:22 |
| nickchase | I've used that to recruit the Fuel guys use the HA guide in their docs. | 14:22 |
| nickchase | (Hence getting their cooperation.) | 14:23 |
| annegent_ | oh yes | 14:23 |
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| annegent_ | I want to say Redhat does the same reuse | 14:23 |
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| annegent_ | open licensing for the win | 14:23 |
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| annegent_ | ok let's see | 14:24 |
| annegent_ | #topic Doc tools latest: Sphinx theme progress | 14:24 |
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| annegent_ | yesterday I made a change in the theme that will change how code and ini snippets are line numbered | 14:24 |
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| annegent_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154699/ | 14:25 |
| annegent_ | basically, the javascript solution was broken and adding line numbers | 14:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you fixed that weirdness? | 14:25 |
| annegent_ | so, it means we need to add :linenos: to the examples | 14:25 |
| annegent_ | snippets | 14:25 |
| annegent_ | Sam-I-Am: I had a javascript dev on my team look at it, and he advised against a post-load solution | 14:25 |
| annegent_ | so we'll do it the Sphinx way | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 14:26 |
| annegent_ | I've added the info to our Conventions | 14:26 |
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| annegent_ | Also wanted to say thanks to everyone who's reviewing the migrations in progress AND signing up for more migrations. | 14:26 |
| annegent_ | Much appreciated. | 14:26 |
| alexadamov | btw, my new colleauge Lena Logvinova suggested fix for nested RST numbering here | 14:26 |
| alexadamov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152582/ | 14:26 |
| annegent_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 14:27 |
| annegent_ | thanks alexadamov | 14:27 |
| alexadamov | How we can take a piece of work you need help with? | 14:27 |
| annegent_ | Here are the remaining Spinx theme bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs/?field.tag=openstackdocstheme | 14:28 |
| alexadamov | Ok, Lena can help you with RST review and even translation to RST | 14:28 |
| annegent_ | alexadamov: sign up on that Documentation/Migrate wiki page | 14:28 |
| annegent_ | great thanks! | 14:28 |
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| annegent_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs/?field.tag=openstackdocstheme | 14:28 |
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| taroth1 | since the user guides currently use profiling for audience (enduser/adminuser), any ideas yet and what to do with that in RST? | 14:29 |
| annegent_ | taroth1: I have been researching it, and I think the solution lies in http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/ifconfig.html | 14:29 |
| annegent_ | taroth1: but I would love help researching solutions | 14:29 |
| taroth1 | I will have a look, thanks | 14:29 |
| annegent_ | #link http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/ifconfig.html | 14:29 |
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| annegent_ | #info Still have output bugs from Sphinx, see link. | 14:30 |
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| annegent_ | #info Need research on conditional output, see http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/ifconfig.html | 14:30 |
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| annegent_ | taroth1: remind me, is it entire chapters that are conditionally included? | 14:30 |
| taroth1 | not sure, would need to check | 14:31 |
| taroth1 | so far; I remember sections | 14:31 |
| annegent_ | ok I won't side track :) | 14:31 |
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| annegent_ | I do think we should make a decision about size of conditionals -- file at a time or at the para/chunk level | 14:31 |
| annegent_ | Ok any questions on the migration or Sphinx theme? | 14:32 |
| annegent_ | Oh I have one. | 14:32 |
| taroth1 | :) | 14:32 |
| annegent_ | Does anyone know if tox is meant to work with Windows? | 14:32 |
| taroth1 | no idea | 14:32 |
| annegent_ | I've been working with Laurel and it works then stops working. Quite flaky. | 14:32 |
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| berendt | at least a Windows version is available (https://tox.readthedocs.org/en/latest/) | 14:33 |
| annegent_ | Once I get the latest theme released, I want to get the tox builds working with the new theme. | 14:33 |
| berendt | "cross-platform: Windows and Unix style environments" | 14:33 |
| annegent_ | she said one of her Windows devs gave up on tox | 14:33 |
| annegent_ | :) | 14:33 |
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| annegent_ | ok that's all of my questions :) | 14:33 |
| annegent_ | #topic Installation guide: 2/12 deadline for a Debian plan | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide: 2/12 deadline for a Debian plan (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:34 | |
| annegent_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005824.html | 14:34 |
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| annegent_ | I posted that on a Friday afternoon so I wanted to be sure to bring it up here. | 14:34 |
| annegent_ | The bugs are still marked "Undecided" "New" so I don't know if anyone has looked yet. | 14:35 |
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| annegent_ | Well, correction, I think 2 have been triaged. | 14:35 |
| nickchase | reading... | 14:35 |
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| annegent_ | yeah, long post sorry :) | 14:35 |
| alexadamov | haven't looked at bugs, but I will | 14:36 |
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| * annegent_ does some tagging | 14:36 | |
| annegent_ | thanks alexadamov | 14:36 |
| alexadamov | there is no any reference in manuals on proper Virtualbox configuration for that. | 14:36 |
| nickchase | (done reading) | 14:36 |
| alexadamov | Do we need to adress this issue in install guide? | 14:37 |
| nickchase | Ultimately, yes. | 14:37 |
| annegent_ | alexadamov: all I'd like by next Monday is a plan written up | 14:37 |
| annegent_ | alexadamov: but yes, the technical issues need to be addressed in the plan | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a combination of packaging and install guide issues | 14:37 |
| annegent_ | I don't know if zigo has had a chance to review either, but maybe alexadamov you and zigo and nickchase can put your heads together | 14:38 |
| alexadamov | :) | 14:38 |
| nickchase | you bet | 14:38 |
| annegent_ | thank you :) | 14:38 |
| annegent_ | okay | 14:39 |
| annegent_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:39 |
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| annegent_ | I've sent in our request to the Foundation/Thierry for 4 fishbowl sessions, 2 working group sessions, and a half-day hacking space for the Vancouver summit. | 14:40 |
| nickchase | nice. | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 14:40 |
| annegent_ | Also, the product managers for OpenStack at various companies are collecting roadmaps for Kilo, Liberty, and M release from all the PTLs. | 14:40 |
| annegent_ | So I'm working on that. | 14:40 |
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| annegent_ | oh yes, Liberty is the l release | 14:41 |
| nickchase | (When did we name the Liberty release?) | 14:41 |
| annegent_ | yesterday | 14:41 |
| annegent_ | Apparently it was very close between Liberty and Lizard | 14:41 |
| nickchase | don't remember a vote or anything, did I just miss it? | 14:41 |
| annegent_ | you must have missed it, the vote went out last week | 14:41 |
| berendt | lizard was my first choice :( | 14:41 |
| annegent_ | heh | 14:41 |
| nickchase | thanks | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | it was quick | 14:41 |
| annegent_ | Also the APAC meeting is moving 2 hours earlier, to 0100 UTC | 14:42 |
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| annegent_ | anything else? | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | not from here | 14:43 |
| nickchase | nope | 14:43 |
| taroth1 | nope | 14:44 |
| annegent_ | okie doke! | 14:44 |
| annegent_ | Chat with you all in #openstack-doc, thanks for attending! | 14:44 |
| annegent_ | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 14:44:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-11-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-11-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-02-11-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
| thingee | hello all! | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| dulek | hi! | 16:00 |
| avishay | hello | 16:00 |
| leeantho | Hi | 16:00 |
| abhishekk | hi o/ | 16:00 |
| davechen | hi, | 16:00 |
| thingee | Your weekly reminder about third party ci being required by march 19th if you have a cinder volume driver in Cinder http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:00 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | if you have no idea what I'm talking about, and you have a volume driver in Cinder, talk to me today! | 16:01 |
| rhedlind | Hi | 16:01 |
| cebruns | Hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | Also reminder, spec freeze is feb 15 | 16:01 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | code freeze on march 10th | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/055719.html | 16:01 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
| thingee | ok lets start! | 16:02 |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
| thingee | #topic Cinder state management | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder state management (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-enforcement-of-states | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-persistance-workflow-status | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh hi :-P | 16:02 |
| thingee | agenda for today as well | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:02 |
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| thingee | harlowja_at_home: go for it | 16:03 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:03 |
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| thingee | harlowja_at_home: the original person leading it, is not present | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, arg, where is he | 16:03 |
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| thingee | should we circle back? | 16:04 |
| vilobhmm | hi thingee | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:04 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: you're up | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | like magic, lol | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | why do we need both persisnance and microstates? | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:04 |
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| vilobhmm | e0ne : i have outlined the differences here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-persistance-workflow-status | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm | converging both approaches somewhere is a better approach i feel | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm | if not then persistence taskflow has many shortcomings | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | how so ;) | 16:05 |
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| vilobhmm | please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147879/ | 16:05 |
| dulek | so basically the information saved is very similar in both cases | 16:05 |
| vilobhmm | dulek : agreed | 16:06 |
| vilobhmm | :%s/many/few outlined in the review | 16:06 |
| dulek | and e0ne was able to create PoC of resuming tasks from saved microstate | 16:06 |
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| vilobhmm | the basic point is maintining state in centralized storage and able to recover from failure | 16:06 |
| e0ne | actually, my PoC did the same what persistance taskflow does | 16:07 |
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| dulek | vilobhmm: I don't agree with many statements you put in review but this is another discussion | 16:07 |
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| vilobhmm | and also to avoid local file system locks...micro-states helps us regarding both by introducing state transition based on the validation graph | 16:07 |
| asselin__ | hi | 16:08 |
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| vilobhmm | so few questions for thingee : what is your thoughs on going ahead regarding any cinder state management approaches | 16:08 |
| avishay | we should work to minimize the number of states / micro-states | 16:08 |
| dulek | So validating state transitions is good and taskflow's persistent BPs doesn't cover this topic | 16:08 |
| vilobhmm | %s/thoughs/thoughts | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | dulek, agreed (that is cinder 'business logic') | 16:09 |
| vilobhmm | dulek : agree | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 | 16:09 |
| e0ne | vilobhmm: i'm asking _why_ we need both of them? imo, we need to choise between microstates w/o taskflow and taskflow+persistance | 16:09 |
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| vilobhmm | and thats why i am saying taking merits of both is a better way to go than saying x is not good or y is better | 16:09 |
| dulek | e0ne: practically we could combine them | 16:09 |
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| dulek | e0ne: use persistence to save states and vilobhmm mechanism of transition graph for validations | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dulek, +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: So I'll repeat my thought, it was raised at the midcycle meetup that people weren't interested in continuing with taskflow. DuncanT was really concerned by what we gain. | 16:10 |
| vilobhmm | dulek +2 | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | thingee, except it seems people are no? ;) | 16:10 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: but people ignored me when I brought up the meeting notes it seems. | 16:10 |
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| dulek | thingee: this means stopping further integration in kilo? | 16:11 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : but didn't we decided to go with more taskflow in the paris design summit conclusion | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | all the above work seems to show that someone is interested, lol | 16:11 |
| thingee | dulek: yes | 16:11 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meetup-winter-2015 | 16:11 |
| dulek | thingee: what about the future? decision to be made on the summit? | 16:11 |
| thingee | harlowja_at_home: it's not of interest. It's we have bugs with the one thing that's using taskflow and no one is focusing on that | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | Hi, sorry I'm late | 16:12 |
| dulek | thingee: I've actually sent patch fixing 1408763 before the meeting. ;) Anyway I understand your concerns. | 16:12 |
| mkoderer_cloud | hi folks | 16:12 |
| thingee | dulek: jgriffith has some thoughts of a queue based system to start to get cinder back to a form that people who don't understand taskflow to be able to fix bugs again in the create volume flow | 16:12 |
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| thingee | dulek: that's great, I'm really happy hear this. I'll have to see how you solved it though :) | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so what about getting those people to understand taskflow? | 16:13 |
| dulek | thingee: you'll probably won't like it. ;) But lets see. | 16:13 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: anyways I don't think you want to hear my opinion. I'm confused by everything people are presenting me. It sounds like you guys are unsure as well. | 16:14 |
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| dulek | thingee: any resource where I can read about this "queue based system"? | 16:14 |
| thingee | dulek: nothing yet. | 16:14 |
| thingee | dulek: this would be something in the summit and in L | 16:14 |
| thingee | dulek: if we actually go that route | 16:14 |
| dulek | thingee: okay, let's talk Kilo then | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thingee, so what part of the stuff being discussed is confusing? what can we do better to explain? | 16:15 |
| vilobhmm | thingee, DuncanT : dulek thanks for fixing the taskflow bug...so thingee now if the bug is fixed whats stopping for more taskflow...as harlowja mentioned why not get people understand taskflow..its starightforward has good documentation and the amount of time needed to not use it or remove it why can't we invest same time in understanding it | 16:15 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : ok | 16:15 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: please talk with DuncanT. He was really concerned about persistence not allowing a task to be resumed on a different host. | 16:15 |
| avishay | i have a decent idea of how i'd like things to look, but unfortunately it's pretty far from where we are today, and taskflow unfortunately doesn't fit in that picture | 16:15 |
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| dulek | for kilo we're going with microstates and leave persistence for summit discussion? Or any other idea? | 16:15 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : sure will talk with DuncanT | 16:15 |
| thingee | harlowja_at_home: there's too much information and different approaches coming. I don't even know if the current spec we have is even valid anymore. | 16:15 |
| avishay | IMO if we can't continue a task on a different host we haven't gained much | 16:16 |
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| e0ne | thingee, vilobhmm, DuncanT: persisnance allows it | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | thingee, isn't that how normally things work? people have to iterate and agree on something to get somewhere (which does seem to be happening) | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | 'Getting to know taskflow' seems to be an infinite task :-( Every time I think I have my head around it, somebody asks a question and I find I don't undersatnd it well enough again | 16:16 |
| dulek | thingee: so we decided to remove this constraint after consulting with hemna | 16:16 |
| thingee | avishay: I've read the reviews from dulek, I think the idea is to get there eventually, but there is an issue with sqlalchemy + taskflow, and what we support, etc. | 16:16 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee : for the microstates apprach i need few revies for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124205/ which is all green...i have addressed all concerns posted by xyang | 16:16 |
| avishay | thingee: i see | 16:16 |
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| thingee | vilobhmm: no doubt, taskflow has great documentation. If you see the documentation though that jgriffith wrote in that bug though ;), it was really complicated to fix an allocation issue in Cinder that was using taskflow | 16:17 |
| vilobhmm | harlowja_At_home : +1 | 16:17 |
| hemna | harlowja_at_home, that's how it's supposed to work afaik. | 16:17 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee : I can revisit it | 16:17 |
| vilobhmm | and get it fixed | 16:18 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee :whats the plan for kilo | 16:18 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: harlowja_at_home was even very responsive with jgriffith on trying to make changes in taskflow to fix the problem. Not sure of the specifics, but it was still not resolved. | 16:18 |
| vilobhmm | are we going with microstates if yes then can i have some serious attention towards https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124205/ | 16:18 |
| dulek | vilobhmm: we're talking about 1408763 bug, which I'm working on | 16:18 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: any of these state changes is too late for K. these require a bit of testing | 16:18 |
| thingee | if we can have something ready early L, that would be ideal, to allow gating on issues | 16:19 |
| vilobhmm | dulek : sure ...the one we discussed in the nova mid cycle meetup | 16:19 |
| avishay | my biggest fears are: (1) we are already heavily reliant on a DB that doesn't scale horizontally in what is supposed to be a distributed system, and (2) a ridiculous number of state updates and rollbacks for each will make performance terrible and code unmanageable | 16:19 |
| thingee | I'd rather people focus on the cinder object patches | 16:19 |
| e0ne | avishay: +1 | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | avishay: +1 Good concern. | 16:20 |
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| thingee | anyways that's my thought. vilobhmm hope you had a great trip and we missed you, but it's too late at this point. | 16:20 |
| vilobhmm | avishay : with micro_states appraoch we are not storing huge amount of datat in db i am just storing the microstate the task was in | 16:20 |
| thingee | I'm happy that dulek and e0ne are pitching in though | 16:20 |
| vilobhmm | which is just few bytes | 16:20 |
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| e0ne | ok, let's summarize it | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : what does early L means what date ? | 16:21 |
| dulek | okay, thingee, can we have your summary of this discussion and move on? | 16:21 |
| thingee | vilobhmm, harlowja_at_home: I have not decided on anything though. These are just issues raised by the cinder team | 16:21 |
| hemna | soren, prior to L1 ? | 16:21 |
| avishay | vilobhmm: so for create volume, how many updates do you estimate? i figure at least 10 | 16:21 |
| rushiagr | avishay: +1 | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm | but would appreciate some serious reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124205/ | 16:21 |
| e0ne | no cnahges for microstates and persisnance for K, right? | 16:21 |
| vilobhmm | avishay : 5 for api and 4 for manager side | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +1 | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | avishay: We're trying to make a system with a massive number of moving parts and a very distributed state model work... some amount of central orchestration seems unavoidable. We are currently racey as all hell | 16:22 |
| thingee | so yes I would appreciate people also reviewing the links that I already put in the meeting notes. | 16:22 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee :thanks for the help for asking people to review it | 16:22 |
| thingee | #topic Local File Locks Removal from Volume Manager Update | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | thingee, undestandable, it just seems the cinder team doesn't have a clear vision of cinder, and people are trying to help, but getting pushed back because of that lack of a clear vision (which is sad), so visions are being formed (by dulek vilobhmm e0ne) and visions that will likely help overall, but then there is a greener pasture somewhere else (as always) | 16:22 |
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| thingee | leeantho: you're up | 16:22 |
| leeantho | Ok, so I have been working on looking into the removal of the local file locks in the cinder volume manager with help from hemna. | 16:23 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149894/ | 16:23 |
| thingee | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/remove-volume-manager-locks | 16:23 |
| avishay | DuncanT: i disagree. we don't need that many states and we should be "looser" - eventual consistency, for example, but let's move on... | 16:23 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153748/ | 16:23 |
| leeantho | The idea was to remove the locks from the volume manager and instead check for a volume being in an 'ING' state like 'creating', 'detaching', etc. The API would throw a VolumeIsBusy error if a request was recieved and the volume had one of those statuses. | 16:23 |
| leeantho | At this point I am looking for feedback on this approach mostly | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | avishay: We can talk after the meeting | 16:23 |
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| avishay | DuncanT: yes | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | leeantho: Is that going to break people's tooling, and do we care? | 16:24 |
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| thingee | leeantho: I fully support this. Not sure if we have time in L for it though in terms of testing. | 16:24 |
| hemna | soren, leeantho has a cinder-spec up that talks about the approach as well as a WIP cinder patch to show what happens FWIW | 16:24 |
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| leeantho | its most likely a L thing at this point | 16:24 |
| hemna | the throwing a VolumeIsBusy exception causes all sorts of breakage in Nova | 16:24 |
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| thingee | leeantho: +1 | 16:24 |
| hemna | which is the sticking point here and why we wanted to raise this up | 16:25 |
| leeantho | so far problems I noticed were it breaking nova, and tempest | 16:25 |
| hemna | we didn't plan on putting this in K at this point | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | It's an API change, so I'd expect tempest to break | 16:25 |
| hemna | but simply wanted to get some feedback and figure out what to do with the nova breakage due to changing the expected responses to API calls | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | We need to patch nova to cope with both versions before we change cinder... or hide it all in cinder-client if that is even possible | 16:26 |
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| thingee | makes sense | 16:26 |
| thingee | #agreed this is too late for K | 16:27 |
| leeantho | DuncanT, Yes, it would be best if there was some way to not need a nova change, was hoping maybe there were some other ideas | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT | The other option is to block in the API until the state changes, but I think that opens up too many DoS possibilities, so we are better changing the API | 16:27 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah | 16:27 |
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| DuncanT | leeantho: Nova's wrapping of cinder calls is really fragile, some eyes on that can only be a good thing IMO | 16:27 |
| hemna | those blocking calls could eventually timeout and result in the same problem | 16:27 |
| hemna | I've complained before as to how nova is calling cinder a few times | 16:28 |
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| hemna | I think the model is broken IMHO | 16:28 |
| thingee | DuncanT, hemna, leeantho: I can help review the nova changes. I have worked on that layer a few times | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Even if they don't timeout, it becomes trivial to use up all the API workers and DoS the system | 16:28 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:28 |
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| thingee | leeantho: I don't think there is a magical approach to avoid not touching nova unfortunately | 16:29 |
| avishay | hemna: +1 | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | This will lead to some API breakage for scripts though, as well as nova/tempest (and horizon). I can't see any way to avoid that though | 16:29 |
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| leeantho | thingee, DuncanT I see, I can continue looking into the nova part then | 16:29 |
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| thingee | leeantho: don't forget tripleo and heat as well | 16:29 |
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| thingee | leeantho: I don't think it would concern them though | 16:30 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah, that's what I was thinking as well. So I just wasn't sure what the plan was to changing the API and dealing with it. | 16:30 |
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| thingee | #topic APIs for modifying volume and shapshot image metadata Update | 16:30 |
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| davechen | hi | 16:30 |
| thingee | davechen: hey | 16:30 |
| davechen | hi all, | 16:30 |
| davechen | yeah, | 16:30 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136253/ | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | Even if we go more fined-grained, there are always going to be cases where we have to say 'nope' | 16:30 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147077/ | 16:30 |
| hemna | Nova is still looking at the internal state of volume objects to determine if it can take actions on them. It really should be asking Cinder, but that's a separate topic | 16:30 |
| davechen | Let me briefly summarize current status, | 16:30 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147726/ | 16:30 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149163/(snapshot) | 16:31 |
| davechen | The basic idea is provide commands and APIs for modifying the volume and snapshot image metadata. | 16:31 |
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| davechen | I have submit one patch in Cinder Client, the patch provide the command lines to modify the image metadata for volume and volume-snapshot, define the API method as "action", so there will be no conflict with volume/snapshot API. | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It should just try them, otehrwise there's always a time to check/time to use race | 16:31 |
| davechen | Patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147077/, The command looks like: | 16:31 |
| davechen | cinder image-metadata  <volume-id> set <property-name = value> | 16:32 |
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| davechen | cinder image-metadata  <volume-id> unset <property-name > | 16:32 |
| davechen | cinder snapshot-image-metadata  <snapshot_id> set <property-name = value> | 16:32 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, yes. | 16:32 |
| davechen | cinder snapshot-image-metadata  <snapshot_id> unset <property-name > | 16:32 |
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| davechen | Wrote a patch to address update and delete volume image metadata respectively, | 16:32 |
| davechen | Modify volume image metadata is addressed in this patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147726/, | 16:32 |
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| davechen | the API interfaces are defined in "cinder/api/contrib/volume_image_metadata.py" instead of "volume_actions.py" since "volume_image_metadata.py" is already existed and seems intends to show image metadata relevant with the specific volume. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | davechen: Does that cover adding new metadata? (update of a none-existance key, I guess?) | 16:33 |
| davechen | And.. | 16:33 |
| davechen | Modify snapshot image metadata is addressed in this patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149163/, the APIs is implemented in "cinder/api/contrib/snapshot_actions.py", the basic logic is the same with volume image metadata modification. | 16:33 |
| davechen | DuncanT: yes, covered | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | Snapshot metadata should not be editable IMO, snapshots are immutable | 16:34 |
| davechen | both for volume and snapshot. | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: good catch, i missed it | 16:34 |
| thingee | DuncanT: then why did you approve the spec? | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I only just thought of it | 16:34 |
| thingee | DuncanT: ah fair | 16:35 |
| davechen | DuncanT: I am not sure, we design such a APIs in the SPEC. | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | thingee: That is one of the problems with specs, many things only become clear on further thought | 16:35 |
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| tbarron | yeah, how to keep specs from becoming lies ... | 16:35 |
| davechen | Currently, I am still working on porting Glance properties protection mechanism to Cinder, but I am not sure whether this could catch up with "K" release, maybe the part would be addressed in "L"? | 16:36 |
| avishay | i'm not sure, we allow changing a snapshot's name/description/metadata, no? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | The snapshot contents can never change after it is created, so all of the arguments for why we need metadata editting become nonsense | 16:36 |
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| avishay | DuncanT: unless there was some mistake, but you're probably right | 16:36 |
| rushiagr | DuncanT: 'normal' metadata should be editable for snapshot, just to be clear.. no? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | avishay: That is all filing/cataloguing though, this alters the behaviour of the volume | 16:36 |
| thingee | davechen: can you explain how protection props in glance will prevent modify props that we would not want to mutable? | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | rushiagr: Yes | 16:37 |
| davechen | avishay: +1 | 16:37 |
| thingee | want mutable* | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | davechen: I think we need the glance stuff too, else this becomes a route to break all of the billing properties :-( | 16:37 |
| davechen | thingee: seems it's like RBAC as well, but protect against metadata. I am trying to debug the code in the glance recently. | 16:38 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 | 16:38 |
| thingee | I didn't think about that. | 16:38 |
| davechen | DuncanT: yeah, I will trying. | 16:38 |
| davechen | but any other big issue anyone see? | 16:38 |
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| thingee | Before we consider merging this, I'm really curious on how we will prevent the point DuncanT just raised. | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | We use them for billing, as does rackspace, so it is an important concern for us | 16:38 |
| thingee | otherwise the rest lgtm | 16:39 |
| davechen | thingee: I am trying to provide a seperate patch to address that. | 16:39 |
| thingee | davechen: ok thanks | 16:39 |
| davechen | thingee: thanks. | 16:39 |
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| thingee | #topic Return request ID to caller | 16:40 |
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| davechen | anyother comments? | 16:40 |
| thingee | abhishekk: hi | 16:40 |
| abhishekk | hi | 16:40 |
| thingee | davechen: oh sorry :) | 16:40 |
| davechen | nothing... | 16:40 |
| abhishekk | thingee: I am creating a cross-project spec for this. | 16:40 |
| abhishekk | thingee: In the cross project, I am proposing solution of returning tuple containing response header and response body from all of the cinderclient api methods | 16:40 |
| thingee | abhishekk: so this requires a major version bump in cinderclient | 16:41 |
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| thingee | it breaks all code using cinderclient today | 16:41 |
| abhishekk | thingee: right | 16:41 |
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| thingee | too late for L | 16:41 |
| thingee | err K | 16:41 |
| thingee | I know my letters | 16:41 |
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| abhishekk | thingee: I will discuss this in cross-project meet | 16:41 |
| thingee | but if we can get agreement cross project in L, lets do it | 16:41 |
| thingee | abhishekk: thanks | 16:41 |
| abhishekk | thingee: we are almost ready with the code | 16:42 |
| thingee | any others have questions/comments with this? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | Can we collect anything else we'd like to make as a back-incompatible change in cinder-client at the same time? | 16:42 |
| avishay | what is the idea here? to be able to query a task later? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | avishay: To be able to tie requests to logs | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | avishay: Makes QA a million times easier, and some customer support too | 16:43 |
| avishay | DuncanT: agreed | 16:43 |
| abhishekk | this will be great for debugging | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | abhishekk: ++ | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:43 |
| avishay | i was hoping the idea included error reporting for tasks, that's all :) | 16:44 |
| avishay | agree that this is a good idea though | 16:44 |
| abhishekk | I will try to convince in cross-project meeting for ths | 16:44 |
| abhishekk | * this | 16:44 |
| gary-smith | abhishekk: did you implement changes to make this backward-compatible with the current api? | 16:44 |
| abhishekk | <gary-smith>: yes | 16:44 |
| thingee | #agreed great idea, but needs to be approved in crossproject | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | gary-smith: The API is, the client changes, not so much | 16:44 |
| thingee | #action abhishekk to propose it in crossproject meeting | 16:45 |
| abhishekk | we have submitted patch for niva | 16:45 |
| avishay | will request IDs continue across projects? for example nova calling cinder for attach, everything has the same ID? or is that separate? | 16:45 |
| e0ne | avishay: yes, we need to get one req-id throw all projects | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | avishay: I think you just get the info in the logs you need to join them up | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | avishay: One request has been discussed on the list and dismissed | 16:45 |
| avishay | DuncanT: ok | 16:46 |
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| DuncanT | avishay: There were a bunch of issues | 16:46 |
| avishay | ok | 16:46 |
| thingee | anything else? | 16:46 |
| abhishekk | i will update the discussion from the cross-project | 16:47 |
| thingee | ok thank you abhishekk | 16:47 |
| thingee | #topic Driver filters and Goodness Functions | 16:47 |
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| thingee | thingee: hi! | 16:47 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:47 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-February/006218.html | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | So I added a long comment to the review for this | 16:47 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 16:48 |
| thingee | DuncanT: link? | 16:48 |
| davechen | DuncanT: May I add you as reviewer? so you may take a look when you get chance, this may help me a lot, maybe there are some big mistakes with the IMPL but I didn't notice. | 16:48 |
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| DuncanT | davechen: Sure | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | thingee: One sec | 16:48 |
| davechen | DuncanT: thanks a lot. | 16:49 |
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| thingee | so I wanted people to be aware of this feature in K dev for Cinder. It provides great flexibility to the admin user. The documentation though and some concerns people raised are why I'm bringing it up | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151353/ last comment | 16:49 |
| hemna | so thingee what else would you like to see in the documentation? | 16:50 |
| hemna | I can have leeantho work on adding any additional information you need | 16:50 |
| thingee | hemna: my comments are on the mailing list | 16:50 |
| thingee | and the review of the documentation itself | 16:50 |
| leeantho | thingee, I saw your feedback on the openstack-manuals review and have started adding more details that will be in the next version | 16:50 |
| thingee | leeantho: thank you! | 16:50 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : do we have a link for the same | 16:50 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, saw your review. I'll work with gloria today to update the patch to provide the filter function and goodness function for get_volume_stats in the base driver. | 16:51 |
| hemna | so everyone gets it. | 16:51 |
| thingee | DuncanT: thanks for your write up. I'll read it to hopefully understand better | 16:51 |
| vilobhmm | features going in K | 16:51 |
| thingee | hemna: +1000 | 16:51 |
| thingee | hemna: that might be what's missing from all of this | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I think that would be great | 16:51 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:52 |
| hemna | ok perfect. I'll get on that today. | 16:52 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: it's not finalized...just rough | 16:52 |
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| vilobhmm | ok | 16:52 |
| thingee | hemna: I think it's fair to raise it on the ops list though | 16:52 |
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| thingee | they're ultimately the users of this feature | 16:52 |
| thingee | hemna: and I encourage leeantho and you to be part of the discussion if one starts. leeantho sorry I didn't cc you | 16:53 |
| thingee | anything else? | 16:53 |
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| thingee | #topic Open discussion | 16:54 |
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| thingee | so it was brought up to me that we need yet another deadline date | 16:54 |
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| thingee | YADD | 16:54 |
| thingee | I like to confuse people with dates, so lets do it. We need a date of when code should be proposed for specs. To allow enough time for reviewers. | 16:55 |
| thingee | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:55 |
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| thingee | taking a look at k-3, there aren't much bps that are not already in code review | 16:55 |
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| thingee | I would like to propose code has to be posted by march 1st. That leaves 10 tens before code freeze, march 10th | 16:56 |
| thingee | do reviewers of cinder feel comfortable with that? | 16:56 |
| thingee | and do assignees feel comfortable with that? | 16:56 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:56 |
| thingee | 10 tens...oh boy | 16:56 |
| thingee | 10 days* | 16:56 |
| vilobhmm | +1 | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | thingee: are you going to create cinder-k3-priorities etherpad or we should look to https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 for it? | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: THought you meant 10, 10 hour days. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:57 |
| thingee | e0ne: yes! xyang2 asked me about this too | 16:57 |
| e0ne | thingee: :) | 16:57 |
| thingee | #action thingee to send out a k-3 priority etherpad for signup | 16:57 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: :) | 16:57 |
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| DuncanT | We have a release in that timescale too, so if I am not paying attention to something you feel I should be, please poke me | 16:57 |
| * jungleboyj pokes DuncanT | 16:58 | |
| DuncanT | Thanks, Jay | 16:58 |
| * thingee pokes DuncanT to pay attention to ALL of it ;) | 16:58 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Any time my friend. | 16:58 |
| e0ne | thingee: i propose to add somewhere action item to release cinderclient in the end of K | 16:58 |
| thingee | and three votes for this YADD | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Yadda yadda yadda | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: That is a good reminder. | 16:59 |
| thingee | e0ne: +1 | 16:59 |
| thingee | thank you, I will | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | Honestly, an interim release allows for more testing, though I dunno what has gone in of late | 16:59 |
| thingee | #action thingee to set reminder for cut and propose of new cinderclient version | 16:59 |
| e0ne | thingee: thanks:) | 16:59 |
| rushiagr | and maybe a link to it in the cinder channel message.. | 16:59 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 17:00:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-11-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-11-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 17:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-02-11-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| thingee | rushiagr: +1 | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 17:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | hi folks - anyone here? | 17:01 |
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| garyk | hi | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | hi gary | 17:01 |
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| sabari | hi | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | while you are here - lets talk about the new meeting structure. Did you decide on a time you want to do it? | 17:02 |
| garyk | tjones1: you have read my mind :) | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | hee hee | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | #topic new meeting struction | 17:02 |
| garyk | i was planning to send a mail to the list proposing two times - this one and an earlier one so others in the east can join | 17:02 |
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| garyk | i'll try and send a draft to the list and i guess that we can discuss there. | 17:03 |
| garyk | hopefully i can do that tomorrow if that is ok with you | 17:03 |
| tjones1 | yes - what time did you want to do the earlier one? I was going to send the email and also invite cinder, glance, keystone, etc | 17:03 |
| tjones1 | ok sure you can do it - it doesn't matter who does. i've been slacking for long enough | 17:03 |
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| garyk | i think that we need to check the wiki and see where there is a free slot | 17:04 |
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| garyk | i can do it | 17:04 |
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| garyk | i think that we just need to kick the wheels. sadly we do not really have many people attending these at the moment | 17:04 |
| tjones1 | yes good idea. are you sure - you have a lot of stuff going on right now. i promise to get to it - i just didn't want to propose a time for you | 17:04 |
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| garyk | ok. i'll make a not to send it first thing tomorrow. i just hope that people are around as it is the chinese new year | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | ok right - most people leave later in the week so should be ok | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | alright lets move on to kilo bp | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | #topic approved bp for kilo | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-3 | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | so for k-3 we have nothing. we have ova supprt there which already merged | 17:06 |
| tjones1 | garyk: i cannot find ephemeral support | 17:07 |
| garyk | tjones1: sec | 17:07 |
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| garyk | the bp was approved. it is still in review | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | i've really been slacking on keeping track of this stuff - i appoligize - things really should get better in the coming weeks | 17:08 |
| garyk | the problem is we found serious issue with resize | 17:08 |
| garyk | those patches need to land first. | 17:08 |
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| garyk | i need to check why the BP does not appear there | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | can you post the link? | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | cause if it is not there - the cores are not looking at it | 17:09 |
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| garyk | ok. i need ro understand why it is not there | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | probably a note to john g would be the way to go | 17:10 |
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| garyk | ok, will do | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | anything else missing from there - vsan? | 17:10 |
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| tjones1 | all patches merged | 17:11 |
| garyk | no, they have all merged | 17:11 |
| garyk | for some reason the bp has disappeared for the ephemeral suppotrt | 17:11 |
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| tjones1 | yes i just saw that too | 17:11 |
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| tjones1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121409/ | 17:12 |
| tjones1 | the resize patch | 17:12 |
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| tjones1 | ok so the priority for kilo in terms of vmwareapi is the resize patch correct? | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | and vsan if we can find it | 17:14 |
| garyk | the ephemeral support would be the priority | 17:14 |
| garyk | that is just dependant on the resize bug fix. | 17:15 |
| tjones1 | i feel really disorganized | 17:15 |
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| tjones1 | anything else on blueprints? | 17:15 |
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| sabari | Glance has a spec in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146723/ | 17:16 |
| tjones1 | #action gary to ping john g on the ephemeral bp which is lost | 17:16 |
| sabari | I think it just needs an approval. | 17:16 |
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| garyk | tjones1: i am chatting to him at the moment | 17:16 |
| tjones1 | great sabari - who should you ping on that last approval? | 17:17 |
| tjones1 | nikhil? | 17:17 |
| garyk | tjones1: we need to ask for a FFE exception.... | 17:17 |
| sabari | last week was k2 release so everyone were busy. | 17:17 |
| tjones1 | garyk: on ephemeral? | 17:18 |
| sabari | I will ping other cores this week. | 17:18 |
| nikhil_k | tjones1: hi | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | hi nikhil_k sorry i didn't mean to ping you. sabari was going to do it offline | 17:19 |
| tjones1 | :-D | 17:19 |
| sabari | nikhil_k: Hi, I thought glance was on meeting-4 :). Seems like you are active here too. | 17:19 |
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| tjones1 | ok guys anything else? | 17:21 |
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| tjones1 | on blueprints? | 17:21 |
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| tjones1 | lets move on to bugs then | 17:21 |
| tjones1 | #topic bugs | 17:21 |
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| nikhil_k | ah ok, no issues | 17:21 |
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| tjones1 | yeah sorry about that ;-) | 17:22 |
| tjones1 | since there are only 2 of you here - no need to go on about bugs | 17:23 |
| tjones1 | so we can end this if nothing else | 17:23 |
| tjones1 | #action sabari to ping glance cores on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146723/ | 17:24 |
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| tjones1 | #action garyk to send FFE to ML about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121409/ | 17:24 |
| tjones1 | #action garyk to send note about meeting change to ML | 17:24 |
| tjones1 | great no action for me ;-) | 17:24 |
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| tjones1 | and we are done | 17:25 |
| tjones1 | thanks | 17:25 |
| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 17:25:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-02-11-17.01.html | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-02-11-17.01.txt | 17:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-02-11-17.01.log.html | 17:26 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 18:01:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 18:02 |
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| sarob | hello | 18:02 |
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| sarob | i will drop some updates to the log | 18:04 |
| sarob | training-guides has branched icehouse | 18:04 |
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| sarob | it was blocking converting from docbooks format to landslide html slides | 18:05 |
| sarob | first slides are pushed | 18:05 |
| sarob | the publishing code is being finished up | 18:05 |
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| sarob | once we get all the content converted to html slides | 18:06 |
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| sarob | we will branch juno | 18:06 |
| sarob | this will happen in about 1-2 weeks | 18:06 |
| sarob | then all the new kilo content can start flowing in | 18:06 |
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| sarob | we should be able to branch kilo around the regular project release date in april | 18:07 |
| sarob | or soon after | 18:07 |
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| sarob | training guides team is looking for requirements from the user groups | 18:08 |
| sarob | San Francisco has contributed new associate slides | 18:08 |
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| sarob | we need updates from Tokyo | 18:09 |
| sarob | on the upstream training | 18:09 |
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| sarob | part of kilo branch will be to port upstream training RST into the developer guide | 18:10 |
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| sarob | including some bits on CI use is planned for upstream training | 18:11 |
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| sarob | reed anything else? | 18:11 |
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| sarob | #action sarob reach out to the tokyo user group for upstream training feedback | 18:13 |
| sarob | last call | 18:13 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 18:13:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-02-11-18.01.html | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-02-11-18.01.txt | 18:13 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 20:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | (no actions) | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | anything we need to talk about? | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | convergence bps | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:03 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | lol | 20:03 |
| pas-ha | added one to discuss if we have time | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | i don't have anything to say, I just figured it should be there :) | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | i'll get started and we can have open discussion at the end | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic covergence specs | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | so we need to get these in, so the code can start landing | 20:05 |
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| asalkeld | any major issue any one has seen? | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | with convergence or something else? | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | convregence specs | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | in this case nothing :) | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | Reading ryan's formal model email, I wonder if we should use tooz for the resource locking (mysql driver by default) | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | since we're locking on a new thing anyway, disruption shouldn't be too bad | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: we are only setting the status, seems like over kill | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | using update ... where | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | afaik | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | oh, so its not really a lock | 20:08 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I think we will regret that come phase 2, where we want to get rid of the locks | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | logical lock | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | sure, ok | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | arguably there is a mutex on the resource, because we do atomic updates of the status | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | it's not like we use a mutex to set the status though | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | ryansb: http://paste.openstack.org/show/171566/ | 20:09 |
| ryansb | stevebaker: thank you. Sorry I'm late | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | bp | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | np | 20:10 |
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| ryansb | Yeah, didn't mean to make it sound (in my email) like we *needed* a locking service | 20:11 |
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| ryansb | just that it would be possible to use one, and that the granularity of logical locks we have now is sensible | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | cores: i ask that you prioritise specs now, and in particular the convergence ones | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | there is always less time than you expect | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | will do | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | good to give this a chance of success | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | got it | 20:12 |
| pas-ha | ok | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | for kilo? | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | I suppose - yes | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: at least to get most of the code in | 20:13 |
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| asalkeld | moving on | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | #topic Bug 1414674 (orphan queues after heat-engine restart) | 20:13 |
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| openstack | bug 1414674 in oslo.messaging "Number of Rabbitmq queues is growing from failover to failover" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414674 - Assigned to sajuptpm (sajuptpm) | 20:13 |
| pas-ha | yes, that's a new one | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | clever openstack bot | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | after each heat-engine restart we have 2 randomly (engine uuid) message queues left over | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | and they live until rabbit cluster is restarted | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | is that why I've seen my rabbit memory use grow? | 20:14 |
| pas-ha | what implications would be to set amqp_auto_delete = true ? | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: do we even use the randomly named one? | 20:15 |
| pas-ha | yes | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | ok, what's it for? | 20:15 |
| zaneb | we use it to check that the engine is still alive if it is holding a lock | 20:15 |
| pas-ha | we have 4 queues - engine, engine.hostname, engine-uuid, engine-uuid.hostname | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | so it should probably be auto_delete=True | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | auto_delete seems esp. good for "engine-alive" | 20:16 |
| pas-ha | ok, will make a patch and we'll test it then | 20:16 |
| zaneb | only risk is we lose connectivity to rabbit, and then locks start getting stolen while work is still in progress | 20:17 |
| zaneb | but I think it's low risk - not like we have full-on fencing anyway | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: we the solution is: if we loose connectivtity we assume that | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | and don't do anything | 20:17 |
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| asalkeld | we could just exit | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | what if we gracefuly restart the heat-engine on loosing connectivity? engine-id will change | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | sys.exit | 20:19 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: that doesn't really help | 20:19 |
| zaneb | but anyway, it's not important | 20:19 |
| zaneb | we can move on | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | (no more "official topics") | 20:20 |
| jasond`` | i have a question about stack-tags blueprint | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | o, good idea | 20:20 |
| jasond`` | it looks like it's going to be different that we proposed in the spec | 20:21 |
| jasond`` | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153390/3/heat/tests/test_sqlalchemy_api.py | 20:21 |
| jasond`` | do i need to resubmit a spec? | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | We need to start thinking about the orderly transition of power from asalkeld's glorious reign (who wants to run for PTL?) | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | :-) | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | jasond``: i don't think before you do more work | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | just update it to show reality | 20:22 |
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| jasond`` | ok, i'll do that. so everyone is okay if tags are not key/value pairs? | 20:22 |
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| miguelgrinberg | jasond``: is the spec really going to be that different? | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | jasond``: sounds good to me | 20:23 |
| zaneb | jasond``: I think just propose a change to the spec (not a new spec) | 20:23 |
| jasond`` | miguelgrinberg: that's the main difference | 20:23 |
| jasond`` | ok, will do | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | jasond``: are you going to follow the nova api ? | 20:23 |
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| jasond`` | asalkeld: yes, was looking at doing that | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | great | 20:24 |
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| miguelgrinberg | jasond``: so I'm working on a guideline for the api-wg regarding tags, very similar to the nova spec, will let you know what it is ready to be reviewed | 20:24 |
| jasond`` | miguelgrinberg: ok, thanks | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | jasond``: I guess if filtering is the main purpose of our tags then they really need to be simple | 20:24 |
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| jasond`` | stevebaker: agreed | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: so i won't run this next cycle, unless there is really no one that wants to run - so up to people to run for it when ptl picking time comes around | 20:25 |
| miguelgrinberg | stevebaker: if you want key/value pairs you can make your single-string tags be "key:value" or something like that | 20:25 |
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| zaneb | I'd be fine with what miguelgrinberg just said, I think | 20:25 |
| jasond`` | miguelgrinberg: but then a key could have multiple values | 20:25 |
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| miguelgrinberg | but based on the code that I reviewed you always compare both the key and the value together | 20:26 |
| miguelgrinberg | so they really don't need to be separate | 20:26 |
| zaneb | jasond``: doctor, doctor! It hurts when I do *this*! | 20:26 |
| jasond`` | yeah, i like simple tags | 20:26 |
| tspatzier | jasond``: for most people a tag is really just a simple value, not key-value. so simple would be fine IMO | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | and it does have a worring overlap to metadata as used in other projects | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | (having key/values) | 20:27 |
| miguelgrinberg | yeah, I think people seem to want to filter by tags, but not by metadata | 20:28 |
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| asalkeld | jasond``: thanks for being so flexible , things have changed a number of time on you | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | i wasn't aware of nova's tags | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | it's seems receint | 20:30 |
| jasond`` | it's no problem | 20:31 |
| miguelgrinberg | jasond``: if you need to off-load part of this feel free to let me know, have a couple hours a day I can devote to things like this. | 20:31 |
| jasond`` | miguelgrinberg: thanks for the offer. will let you know | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | are nova tags simple strings or key/value like nova meta? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: pretty sure we were handling Nova tags in Grizzly | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: that's nova metadata | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | nova meta has existed forever | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | nova now has actual tags | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | list of strings | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | yay, something to cargo-cult :) | 20:32 |
| miguelgrinberg | the only thing nova tags can't do that I think might be useful for heat is to do negative filtering | 20:32 |
| miguelgrinberg | i.e. give me all the stacks that do not have tag "hidden" | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: we have an api wg that's job is to make sure api's are consistent :-O | 20:33 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: fwiw tags in AWS are key/value | 20:33 |
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| miguelgrinberg | asalkeld: impossible job, BTW | 20:33 |
| zaneb | don't know if keys have to be unique though. I suspect maybe not | 20:33 |
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| ryansb | the k/v in AWS is super handy for embedding a lot of informations | 20:34 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tag-instances,n,z | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | ryansb: it sure is | 20:34 |
| ryansb | s/informations/information/ | 20:34 |
| miguelgrinberg | ryansb: that is the purpose of metadata | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | miguelgrinberg: its impossible, but I'm sure the api wg can have a positive influence | 20:36 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I think nova tags have been around for a while, ref bug #1097430 | 20:36 |
| openstack | bug 1097430 in heat grizzly "heat: doesn't use EC2 tags API" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1097430 - Assigned to Stephen Gran (sgran) | 20:36 |
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| asalkeld | shardy: that was only on ec2 api | 20:36 |
| miguelgrinberg | stevebaker: we have some minor successes, yes. But it's really impossible to make everyone happy. | 20:36 |
| shardy | asalkeld: ah ok :) | 20:36 |
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| asalkeld | and i don't think possible to filter on | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | i could be wrong there tho' | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | I recall someone writing tags-as-a-service so that any openstack resource can have key/value associated with it. Not sure what happened with that | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | graffii | 20:37 |
| shardy | lol, string-as-a-service ;) | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | that is becoming a part of glance | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Graffiti | 20:37 |
| zaneb | it landed in glance I believe | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: it's more a repository of known working values for things like flavors | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | oh, thats different | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | so you can from a ui get a dropdown of actual values that might work | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | imagine that | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:40 |
| * stevebaker imagines | 20:40 | |
| shardy | so nova flavors, get stored in....glance? | 20:40 |
| zaneb | shardy: not flavours, it's additional flavour specs | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | no the values that might work when you go to create one | 20:40 |
| tspatzier | yeah, it's for extra specs | 20:40 |
| zaneb | like IntelObscureProcessorFeature=42 | 20:41 |
| shardy | zaneb: ah, the extra specs associated with images, I see, thanks | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | ;) | 20:41 |
| tspatzier | that's basically schema-less today but graffiti tries to restrict it | 20:41 |
| tspatzier | or bring order to the system | 20:41 |
| zaneb | we are so far off topic... | 20:41 |
| tspatzier | what was the topic ? :-) | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | all infavor of ending early? | 20:41 |
| shardy | aye | 20:42 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: lol | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | errrp | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | topic was open discussion | 20:42 |
| tspatzier | that we had :-) | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | so totally on topic ;) | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
| ryansb | yup | 20:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 20:42:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-11-20.00.html | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | bb | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-11-20.00.txt | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-02-11-20.00.log.html | 20:42 |
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