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| jorgem | hey lbaas folks, about to start the meeting here in a sec | 13:59 |
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| xgerman | gm | 13:59 |
| jorgem | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 14:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 14:00 |
| jorgem | Role call please :) | 14:00 |
| crc32 | Over | 14:00 |
| xgerman | gm | 14:00 |
| sbalukoff | Morning! | 14:01 |
| blogan | \o/ | 14:01 |
| dougwig | here | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | Anyone want to add to the agenda? | 14:01 |
| evgenyf | Hi | 14:01 |
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| s3wong | hello | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | Agenda currently has the following items: | 14:01 |
| jorgem | •Review Updates | 14:01 |
| jorgem | •TLS Work Division | 14:01 |
| crc32 | is evengy here? | 14:02 |
| jorgem | yes | 14:03 |
| evgenyf | I'm here | 14:03 |
| jorgem | Okay well we should have a pretty short meeting then today! | 14:03 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 14:03 |
| jorgem | #topic Review Updates | 14:03 |
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| jorgem | Anybody have any review updates they'd like to share? | 14:03 |
| blogan | Not really much just updating based on comments | 14:04 |
| evgenyf | There is a TLS implementation on review, welcome https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109035/3 | 14:04 |
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| sbalukoff | I just want to say that I'm glad Kyle and Mark accepted the ones they did this week. That's huge for adding new features to Neutron LBaaS for Juno! | 14:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:05 |
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| jorgem | sbalukoff: indeed | 14:05 |
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| ptoohill | hello | 14:05 |
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| jorgem | Okay well as long as reviews are going at the pace they are I think we should be good | 14:06 |
| jorgem | Anything need special attention besides TLS? | 14:06 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep. Need to keep the momentum up getting actual code reviews done now that specs for major features are approved. | 14:06 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:06 |
| jorgem | Alright then let's move on to the next topic | 14:06 |
| jorgem | #topic TLS Work Division | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TLS Work Division (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:07 | |
| jorgem | There is a ML thread on this but wanted to bring it up here since it's important to a lot of us. | 14:07 |
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| jorgem | evgenyf: How much have you completed thus far? | 14:07 |
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| jorgem | evgenyf: And more importantly, can any of us help? | 14:07 |
| ptoohill | I have my TLS ref impl spec that ill be working on for sure. But willing to help, if needed, on the parent spec | 14:08 |
| evgenyf | jorgem: extension + db + unit tests for them | 14:08 |
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| dougwig | evgenyf has the db/plugin model work done (see review.) remaining is the ref driver and the code that pulls from barbican. | 14:08 |
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| xgerman | + the registration if rmwork gets accepted | 14:09 |
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| evgenyf | dougwig: exactly, There is a spot for TLS containers validation by using a new common module that should use Barbican APi | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | Isn't the ref. implementation stuff mostly about the haproxy config template? | 14:09 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: that common module is that something you added or something neutron has added? | 14:09 |
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| sbalukoff | Oh, I guess there's additional code for interfacing with barbican, too. | 14:09 |
| ptoohill | correct sbalukoff | 14:09 |
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| xgerman | yes, barbican code + common logic for extracting CN, etc. | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | (The L7 stuff will be about the haproxy config template almost entirely.) | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, cool. | 14:10 |
| crc32 | I'm not sure when the X509SubjNameExt class code is going to be accepted into pyopenssl. Its dependent on bindings that need to be released in the cryptography project as well. So should we be codeing the asn1_module for now and switch it out later or what? | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: IF we really don't know when it's going to get into pyopenssl, I would say, "yes." | 14:11 |
| xgerman | sounds like a strategy | 14:11 |
| dougwig | crc32: we've for 4 weeks left; i don't think you can bet anything on someone else releasing first. | 14:11 |
| dougwig | /for/got/ | 14:11 |
| evgenyf | Carlos, we may start by just commiting API of the module | 14:11 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 14:11 |
| samuelbercovici | crc32: we need to make the libraray api concrete and have implementation as fast as possible, we can always switch the implementation to something nicer later | 14:12 |
| blogan | is that something that has to be in? | 14:12 |
| ptoohill | Yea, there wont be a whole lot, if any, actual work needed to the driver itself now. I will need to create a haproxy1.5 template, make it configurable any additional testing for it. | 14:12 |
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| crc32 | ok sounds like pyasn1 then. | 14:12 |
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| samuelbercovici | blogan: if we agree that we skip validation of the x509, than we can process | 14:13 |
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| xgerman | sounds good for v1 | 14:13 |
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| samuelbercovici | so to propose, 1. complete the review without the library and get it in ASAP. 2. add a "bug" to fix it using the library later to be completed either in Juno or after. or tey and do 1+2. I am in favor of 1 | 14:14 |
| samuelbercovici | and then 2 | 14:14 |
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| xgerman | samuelbercovici +1 | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici +1 | 14:15 |
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| dougwig | so i think i hear ptoohill working on the driver, crc32 on the x509 parsing. is one of you doing the barbican integration, or someone else? | 14:15 |
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| sbalukoff | As far as who does what: I'm happy to volunteer to review code (as I've been doing with other patches to date, too). :) | 14:15 |
| jorgem | I think rm_work may be working on Barbican integeration. | 14:16 |
| rm_mobile | I was planning to look at the barbican integration | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | Cool. | 14:16 |
| blogan | evgenyf: where is this common module you mentioned earlier? | 14:16 |
| samuelbercovici | rm_mobile: any eta on this? | 14:16 |
| dougwig | rm has gone mobile. | 14:16 |
| rm_mobile | The CR is up for the functionality we need | 14:17 |
| dougwig | blogan: see the review, i believe he means the tis validation method. | 14:17 |
| crc32 | I'm gonna kickstart adam on the barbican integration. | 14:17 |
| rm_mobile | So... Maybe soon? | 14:17 |
| xgerman | but we still need to write code in neutron-lbaas which retrieves the cert | 14:17 |
| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109035 | 14:17 |
| xgerman | even if the subscriber thing doesn't make it | 14:17 |
| evgenyf | blogan: It does not exist yet but ints API spec is in TLS rst | 14:17 |
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| samuelbercovici | otherwise, each driver will need to implement this by its own | 14:17 |
| samuelbercovici | this == barbican integration | 14:18 |
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| jorgem | samuelbercovici: I believe once the CR is complete on the Barbican side will rm_work start on the integration. | 14:18 |
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| samuelbercovici | CR? | 14:19 |
| rm_work | yeah I think the plan was to do the barbican pull in the higher level API and pass the cert/key to the driver | 14:19 |
| jorgem | code review | 14:19 |
| dougwig | code review | 14:19 |
| samuelbercovici | k | 14:19 |
| crc32 | change request. | 14:19 |
| rm_work | possibly also the barbican ID in case the driver would rather use that? | 14:19 |
| crc32 | oh I mean code review | 14:19 |
| jorgem | crc32: ah yes | 14:19 |
| Pattabi | hi guys | 14:20 |
| rm_work | I will be working with the barbican team to get python-barbican-client up to speed for us | 14:20 |
| dougwig | Pattabi: hiya | 14:20 |
| Pattabi | This is Pattabi from Brocade .. I have a question regarding the data model changes | 14:20 |
| rm_work | and then will probably be working with either blogan or crc32 to get that into neutron-lbaas | 14:20 |
| rm_work | there's also some stuff about Keystone Trusts we need to work out... | 14:20 |
| Pattabi | at the end of Juno, will only the new data model supported ? | 14:20 |
| dougwig | Pattabi: one sec, on a tis agenda item. | 14:20 |
| samuelbercovici | al in all without validation, the code should use the tenant identity under which the lbaas call is done and get the container which has the cert+key | 14:20 |
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| dougwig | jorgem: can you add an agenda item for Pattabi ? | 14:21 |
| rm_work | well, it looks like we will also need to set up a Keystone Trust and track that… :( | 14:21 |
| blogan | Pattabi: v2 will be the only code that gets worked on, but v1 will still exist | 14:21 |
| rm_work | so the workflow has an extra step now above what I originally thought would be necessary | 14:21 |
| samuelbercovici | rm_work: can you please initiate this description on ML so we can discuss details? | 14:22 |
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| jorgem | So to recap these are the items being worked on for TLS: | 14:22 |
| jorgem | Barbican Integration (rm_work) | 14:22 |
| jorgem | Reference Implementation (ptoohill) | 14:22 |
| jorgem | DB/Plugin Model (evgenyf) | 14:22 |
| jorgem | dougwig: sure | 14:22 |
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| sbalukoff | code reviews: Everyone else | 14:22 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:22 |
| rm_work | samuelbercovici: sure | 14:23 |
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| samuelbercovici | also cert validation and information extarction - crc32 | 14:23 |
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| crc32 | yes. | 14:23 |
| sbalukoff | Yep | 14:23 |
| blogan | yes code reviews, avishay and eugene have already caught a few stupid mistakes I made | 14:23 |
| jorgem | samuelbercovici: noted | 14:23 |
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| crc32 | can we get the stub module so I can start injecting my code. | 14:23 |
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| dougwig | crc32: pull the review above. | 14:24 |
| jorgem | Okay anything else related to TLS? | 14:24 |
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| jorgem | Switching to Pattabi's topic... | 14:25 |
| Pattabi | thanks | 14:25 |
| jorgem | #topci New vs Old Data Model Support | 14:25 |
| dougwig | blogan's answer: Pattabi: v2 will be the only code that gets worked on, but v1 will still exist | 14:25 |
| blogan | thanks dougwig | 14:25 |
| Pattabi | i submitted the code for brocadew lbaas driver | 14:25 |
| blogan | Pattabi: i'm assuming it only supports the v1 model? | 14:25 |
| jorgem | #topic New vs Old Data Model Support | 14:26 |
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| Pattabi | the spec was rejected mentioning that the data model changes happen and waitf or K | 14:26 |
| crc32 | yea I have the review open but I'm seeing a bunch of DB model stuff. | 14:26 |
| Pattabi | would like to know what does it take to get the code reviewed and merge upstream | 14:26 |
| blogan | Pattabi: the spec approval deadline has passed anyway, i doubt it would get it now | 14:27 |
| blogan | Pattabi: is this code or a spec? | 14:27 |
| samuelbercovici | Pattabi: the best would be to discuss with Kyle | 14:27 |
| Pattabi | i understand ... i had sewnt for approval much earlier than that and code review also | 14:27 |
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| Pattabi | sjd i focus on v3 model or v1 only for my driver ? | 14:28 |
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| jorgem | Pattabi: Also, to stay informed please visit #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS | 14:28 |
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| blogan | Pattabi: I would suggesting just implementing the v2 model and driver interface | 14:28 |
| blogan | v1 will eventually be deprecated and removed | 14:29 |
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| Pattabi | blogan: thanks | 14:29 |
| jorgem | Pattabi: v1 will be deprecated sometime in the future I believe so v2 is the best bet right now. | 14:29 |
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| dougwig | Pattabi: your best bet is to retool the spec/code for v2, and then engage directly with mestery. Expect it to be a low priority; all vendor items seem to be. | 14:29 |
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| blogan | dougwig: sounds like a sore topic | 14:30 |
| dougwig | (on the release schedule, i mean.) | 14:30 |
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| Pattabi | ok ... is there an exception list for the specs now that deadline is passsed | 14:30 |
| dougwig | i didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it came out. it's early. :) | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | Yes, Kyle can override it | 14:30 |
| dougwig | Pattabi: yes, it's via the ML. | 14:30 |
| blogan | Pattabi: there is but they aren't adding any more to it unless it is really high priority and necessary | 14:30 |
| crc32 | dougwig: I meant the module for mangling the x509 and keys. | 14:30 |
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| dougwig | crc32: standby for the end of this agenda topic. | 14:31 |
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| xgerman | Pattabi it looks mestery joined | 14:31 |
| Pattabi | mestery: this is regarding hte brocade lbaas driver code reivew and approval | 14:32 |
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| jorgem | mestery "joined"? | 14:33 |
| blogan | i have a topic, Avishay sent an email about not liking the specific entity not found exceptions in favor of a General entity not found exceptions, this sounds good to em. What does everyone else think? | 14:33 |
| xgerman | yeah, I saw his name being changed | 14:33 |
| dougwig | Pattabi: how long would it take you to retool for v2? | 14:34 |
| jorgem | blogan: topic added | 14:34 |
| Pattabi | i am working on it now ... | 14:34 |
| Pattabi | couple of days i think i shd have a v2 based driver | 14:34 |
| ptoohill | sure, sounds reasonable, blogan. | 14:34 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I must have missed this e-mail. Was it tagged with [Neutron][LBaaS] ? | 14:34 |
| dougwig | 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? if it's a few weeks, then you're in the same boat as the other vendors, and have a good argument. | 14:34 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: it was | 14:35 |
| Pattabi | i upload the private patches for the v2 changes and refactoring my driver currently | 14:35 |
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| avishayb | I can copy & paste here .. (the mail) | 14:35 |
| Pattabi | hen will v1 model deprecated | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | Wow, gmail is being exceedingly slow for me this morning... | 14:36 |
| jorgem | Okay, let's start next topic | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | Pattabi: As soon as possible. ;) But probably in K release | 14:36 |
| crc32 | psatbin | 14:36 |
| jorgem | #topic Exception Naming | 14:36 |
| dougwig | Pattabi: an accelerated deprecation for drivers was discussed at the July meetup, so they may be marked deprecated in Juno. K at the latest. | 14:36 |
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| jorgem | go ahead blogan | 14:36 |
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| blogan | Okay currently there are LoadBalancerNotFound and ListenerNotFound, and so forth exceptions. This should probably change to just EntityNotFound so we dont have all the different types of exceptions | 14:37 |
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| dougwig | i agreed with the email and common name. | 14:37 |
| blogan | v1 has the VipNotFound, PoolNotFound, MemberNotFound exceptions so I just followed that model | 14:38 |
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| blogan | ok dougwig and avishay and I agre | 14:40 |
| jorgem | Yeah common exception until we actually need a specific one | 14:40 |
| rm_work | as long as they all inherit properly, you should just be able to catch them with their parent type | 14:40 |
| ptoohill | and phil | 14:40 |
| rm_work | but whatev <_< | 14:40 |
| ptoohill | if that matters | 14:40 |
| dougwig | to make a counter-argument against myself, i am guessing they are separate for localized error messages. | 14:40 |
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| xgerman | well, that's what inheritence is for | 14:40 |
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| blogan | the error message will be localized | 14:40 |
| jorgem | Okay so 1) Use common exception 2) If not 1 use specific exception (inherited of course) | 14:41 |
| dougwig | right, but an unspecific "not found", even in spanish, is just about worthless in something like a UI. it's maddeningly obtuse. :) | 14:41 |
| blogan | the error message will have the actualy entity name | 14:41 |
| jorgem | dougwig: It should be implied on what you were querying for right? That is if you are querying for one thing and not a nested object. | 14:41 |
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| dougwig | not in the "create an LB like an instance" UI paradigm that ebay demoed, no. | 14:42 |
| jorgem | dougwig: Also you can pass a string into the exception for detail | 14:42 |
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| dougwig | but as long as they can still see what isn't found, that argument is moot. | 14:42 |
| blogan | they will see what isn't found | 14:42 |
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| blogan | that sounds like a great philosophical quote | 14:43 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:43 |
| dougwig | i'm full of nonsense in the morning. | 14:43 |
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| blogan | i wouldn't call it nonsense.... | 14:43 |
| jorgem | Okay, any other topics? If not I think we are done! | 14:43 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 14:44 |
| Pattabi | i have a question on v2 data model | 14:44 |
| blogan | Pattabi shoot | 14:44 |
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| jorgem | #topic Question on v2 on data model | 14:44 |
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| Pattabi | can the same pool be bound to different listeners | 14:44 |
| dougwig | one of us needs to get with carlos and talk about where to plumb the x509 parsing in. hopefully that can wait an hour. :) | 14:44 |
| blogan | pattabi: not right now but it may be supported in the future | 14:44 |
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| sbalukoff | Not in this revision. | 14:44 |
| Pattabi | then the db code should handle this check | 14:45 |
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| jorgem | dougwig: I have crc32 in a meeting afterwards :) | 14:45 |
| Pattabi | it does not check for this as part of the listener default_pool_id update | 14:45 |
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| blogan | Pattabi: the default_pool_id is set up as a unique constraint | 14:46 |
| Pattabi | yes .. it generates the DB exception that is not propagated upwards properly | 14:46 |
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| blogan | Pattabi: you're probably right on that, could you add a comment | 14:46 |
| blogan | to the review | 14:46 |
| Pattabi | i will add today | 14:47 |
| blogan | thank you | 14:47 |
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| Pattabi | same with hm to pool | 14:47 |
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| rm_work | yes unfortunately we're out for the next 3 hours for sprint planning through lunch <_< | 14:48 |
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| jorgem | :) | 14:48 |
| blogan | yall have a good day | 14:49 |
| jorgem | Okay, I think we are done everyone | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks y'all! | 14:49 |
| evgenyf | guys, regarding TLS work split, do we need another session on this? | 14:49 |
| Pattabi | thanks all | 14:49 |
| dougwig | i'll be around all day. and carlos knows where brandon sits, worst case. | 14:49 |
| xgerman | thanks | 14:49 |
| blogan | sbalukoff the only person who mixes eh and yall | 14:49 |
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| xgerman | bye | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 14:49 |
| jorgem | evgenyf: I have some notes on this but I think you and crc32 need to meet I believe | 14:49 |
| jorgem | and anyone else of course | 14:49 |
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| dougwig | later folks | 14:49 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: is it late for you? | 14:50 |
| dougwig | Pattabi: you can find us on #openstack-lbaas | 14:50 |
| crc32 | yea but I can't meet just yet caue I'm getting screwed over in a planning session. | 14:50 |
| jorgem | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| Pattabi | dougwig: thanks | 14:50 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 14:50:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-24-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-07-24-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
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| samuelbercovici | lets continue on openstack-lbaas | 14:51 |
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| crc32 | I'll multitask in the planning session. | 14:52 |
| crc32 | brb | 14:52 |
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| prad | o/ | 15:00 |
| vrovachev | o/ | 15:00 |
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| KurtRao | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic juno-2 retrospective | 15:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | so juno-2 is tagged and bagged :) | 15:01 |
| eglynn | http://tarballs.openstack.org/ceilometer/ceilometer-2014.2.b2.tar.gz | 15:01 |
| eglynn | thanks to all! | 15:01 |
| eglynn | for the efforts to get stuff over the line | 15:02 |
| eglynn | ... also lots of nursemaiding of approved patches through the gate | 15:02 |
| eglynn | BTW the gating situation should improve when the 1.3.1 oslo-messaging release is finally cut | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107915/1/doc/source/index.rst | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | these are the laggard backports still holding it up ... | 15:03 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:stable/icehouse,n,z | 15:03 |
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| * gordc crosses fingers | 15:03 | |
| eglynn | at least nsaje's and sileht's fixes for the fake driver are now safely landed | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | sileht: BTW should we thinking about jumping straight to the 1.4.0.next release if that appears first? | 15:04 |
| eglynn | sileht: ... k, one to think about :) | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | so in the end, only two j2 BPs needed last minute bumps to juno-3 | 15:05 |
| eglynn | dedicated-alarm-database was pretty much approved by Monday | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | ... but the gating Gods chose not to smile upon the many rechecks | 15:05 |
| eglynn | grenade-resource-survivability was also code-complete in time by cdent | 15:06 |
| tongli | @eglynn, IBM needs a http dispatcher (Gorden wrote the initial one), I made some changes and I hope it can get in | 15:06 |
| eglynn | ... but the QA PTL is declining any new javelin features until the core of javelin2 is fixed | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | tongli: can you propose a BP spec? | 15:07 |
| tongli | @eglynn, does every new feature in Juno needs a BP? | 15:07 |
| tongli | @eglynn, ok, I will create one. thanks. | 15:07 |
| llu-laptop | tongli: yes, i think so | 15:07 |
| sileht | eglynn, yep using 1.4.0 permit to land the notification publisher patch, that make ceilometer fastest | 15:07 |
| tongli | patch set will be there soon. | 15:07 |
| eglynn | tongli: anything chunky at least, beyond an RFE bug | 15:07 |
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| gordc | tongli: you betch yah... unless you manage to confuse everyone and sneak it in as a bug. | 15:08 |
| eglynn | tongli: cool, thank you sir! | 15:08 |
| tongli | @gordc, that is the http dispatcher your wrote first, I made some changes, so it is more generic, and I think can be used by anyone. | 15:08 |
| gordc | tongli: i can take a look at it. the poc i did was relativelys simple | 15:08 |
| gordc | tongli: cool cool | 15:08 |
| tongli | thanks folks. | 15:09 |
| eglynn | sileht: OK if the successor to 1.4.0.0a3 lands before 1.3.1 does, let's just go striaght onto that | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | gordc: stop disclosing my tactics publicly! | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | so the discussion of BPs dovetails nicely onto juno-3 planning ... | 15:09 |
| eglynn | #topic juno-3 planning | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-3 | 15:10 |
| gordc | jd__: lol we've all caught on to your schemes. | 15:10 |
| jd__ | :-> | 15:10 |
| eglynn | so the cupboard is looking a bit bare still for juno-3 | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | mainly bumps from juno-2 | 15:10 |
| jd__ | eglynn: isn't there supposed to be some Gnocchi stuff? | 15:10 |
| jd__ | like are we sure every bp in ceilometer-specs has a bp on launchpad or what? | 15:11 |
| gordc | eglynn: i can probably tackle sql-part2... i might need some vetting by Mike Bayer. | 15:11 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah, do you wanna start filing placeholder BPs in luanchpad to point to the gnocchi specs? | 15:11 |
| eglynn | gordc: excellent! | 15:11 |
| jd__ | bureaucracy, ya never got enough | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | jd__: the placeholder is really just a holder for the 'Specification URL' link | 15:12 |
| eglynn | jd__: :) | 15:12 |
| gordc | also, i might have found reason for collector performance issues... i might have broken it... still need to verify but also might need some help from Bayer. | 15:12 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... I think ttx has cooked up a script to auto-file the LP BPs when the specs land | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: haha the spec for the dispatch references https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/dispatcher-for-gnocchi-integration that does not exist | 15:12 |
| * jd__ blames ildikov | 15:12 | |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:12 |
| eglynn | gordc: is that captured in a bug? | 15:12 |
| jd__ | I can blame ttx otherwise, let me know | 15:12 |
| eglynn | yeah blame ttx :) | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, no blames please :) | 15:13 |
| tongli | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/http-dispatcher | 15:13 |
| gordc | eglynn: it's the bug related to telemetry tempest tests failing. | 15:13 |
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| ildikov | jd__: me? my last info that the PTL registers the BP on launchpad after it was approved, so I blame eglynn :) | 15:13 |
| tongli | if anyone can approve it, that will be great. | 15:13 |
| jd__ | hahahaha | 15:13 |
| gordc | tongli: you'll need to write up spec. | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | so the workflow is supposed to be land spec first then file LP BP, but TBH it's a bit counter-intuitive | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | gordc: a-ha, got it | 15:13 |
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| tongli | @gordc, where to write a spec for BP? | 15:14 |
| gordc | https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer-specs | 15:14 |
| jd__ | I'm gonna grab popcorns and rant about how much time we lose on those form things | 15:14 |
| eglynn | gordc: so this one https://launchpad.net/bugs/1336755 right? | 15:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1336755 in ceilometer "telemetry_notification_api.py test times out waiting for Nova notification" [Critical,Triaged] | 15:14 |
| gordc | tongli: there's a template and a few past examples you can base off of. | 15:14 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ildikov: so who's gonna create that one so we put it on j3? ildikov do you still plan on working on it? | 15:15 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah... i'm not sure why i didn't just copy/paste link in...i have the window open.lol | 15:15 |
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| tongli | @gordc, will do that. thanks. | 15:15 |
| eglynn | gordc: FYI I've proposed a temporary skip for that in tempest https://review.openstack.org/108011 | 15:15 |
| ildikov | jd__: yeap, just had some health and internal work interrupt... | 15:15 |
| gordc | ok. | 15:15 |
| eglynn | gordc: so you may need to un-skip the skip if you need further diagnostics on the failure | 15:15 |
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| ildikov | jd__: eglynn: I will register that BP on launchpad | 15:16 |
| eglynn | ildikov: thanks! | 15:16 |
| jd__ | ildikov: ok cool! let me know if you need help or someone to blame | 15:16 |
| gordc | is ilya around? i was wondering if he could run his fancy performance script again to see if performance issue can be seen? | 15:16 |
| ildikov | jd__: thanks :) | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, Ilya is not, but I am :) | 15:16 |
| eglynn | gordc: good idea! | 15:16 |
| tongli | hi, how about creating a message listener for keystone messags so that these messages turn to meters, that needs a BP and spec as well? | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, gordc, I'll let him know :) | 15:16 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: thanks! | 15:17 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: this patch might be the reason: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96200/ | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, ok, got it | 15:17 |
| eglynn | gordc: apparently Ilya has made some efforts to make the loadgen script etc. more consumable outside the mirantis lab | 15:17 |
| _nadya_ | tongli: | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, still in progress | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:17 |
| eglynn | tongli: the basics of that have already been done by boris-42 | 15:18 |
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| _nadya_ | tongli: I've seen the patch about keystone notifications | 15:18 |
| tongli | @eglynn, not really, we talked yesterday. | 15:18 |
| eglynn | tongli: a-ha, k | 15:18 |
| eglynn | tongli: but that *could* be more in the nature of a bug-fix | 15:18 |
| tongli | boris patch made ceilometer listens to keystone exchange, but no listener really handles any keystone messages. | 15:18 |
| tongli | that is what is missing. | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | so we've got quite a few still open specs reviews | 15:19 |
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| tongli | @eglynn, ok, all right then, no BP or spec for that. | 15:19 |
| gordc | tongli: step1 of jd__'s bug technique: never ask if a bp is needed. | 15:20 |
| eglynn | we've missed the acceptance deadline, but we said we wouln't enforce that structly, given vacation and all | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | however I think we'll have to draw a line by next week's meeting | 15:20 |
| tongli | @gordc, lol. | 15:20 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn, what about the PaaS notification format, do we have any closure on that, please? | 15:20 |
| nsaje | isn't acceptance deadline August 21st, not July 21st? | 15:20 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: agreed | 15:20 |
| * jd__ stares at gordc and says "learning you are, young padawan" | 15:20 | |
| gordc | jd__: :) | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | fabiog_: nealph raised that earlier | 15:21 |
| nsaje | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 15:21 |
| * gordc still never seen movie but i get the reference. | 15:21 | |
| llu-laptop | nsaje: that's for actual patches, not bp | 15:21 |
| * jd__ suggests we put more rules so we can have more exceptions to them | 15:21 | |
| eglynn | nsaje: hmmm, I was going on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039201.html | 15:21 |
| eglynn | nsaje: Aug 21st is FeatureProposalFreeze | 15:22 |
| eglynn | nsaje: i.e. a deadline for proposal of patches *implementing* the BP | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | nsaje: whereas SAD was a deadline for the spec being landed in the *-specs repo | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | ... Kafkaesque, I know | 15:23 |
| llu-laptop | looks like neutron have 83 bps approved by its SAD date for juno-3, terrifying | 15:23 |
| nsaje | eglynn: ok, I see | 15:24 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: are you planning to update https://review.openstack.org/101282 based on the discussions in Paris? | 15:24 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: I am working on it | 15:25 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: thank you sir! | 15:25 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, fabiog_ and I are planning to have the discussion about it now and early next week | 15:25 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: realistically I can have something next week | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | to define what actually we need to do here and how | 15:25 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova, fabiog_: cool! | 15:25 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: it will probably land code in Kilo-1 | 15:25 |
| KurtRao | What if the implementing code that has been done but haven't been approved by code review? Is it forbidden to check in such code after Aut 21st? | 15:25 |
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| idegtiarov | DinaBelova: Hope I could join your discussion! | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | idegtiarov, ;) | 15:26 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: ok, let's look at whether we can expedite that and get something in for juno, maybe without all the bells and whistles | 15:26 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: I am all for that | 15:27 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: (context is that this feature has been on our roadmap since the end of the Havana cycle) | 15:27 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: cool :) | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | for quite a lo-ong time :) | 15:27 |
| eglynn | KurtRao: Aug 21st is just a deadline to get the patches proposed to gerrit, not reviewed or landed | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | KurtRao: it just recognizes the reality that getting patches thru' the review cycle always takes longer than you'd expect | 15:28 |
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| KurtRao | eglynn: great! | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | k, let's shoot for this day next week to have specs for all the realistic juno BP candidates landed | 15:29 |
| eglynn | thanks folks! | 15:29 |
| eglynn | shall we move on? | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 15:30 |
| idegtiarov | +1 | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | #topic tempest status | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | a-ha :) | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | well, folks I have some not really nice news :( | 15:30 |
| vrovachev | oohhh | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71259/ - here is the chain of changes | 15:30 |
| idegtiarov | :( | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | and they still are in the review process | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | form February to be clear :D | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | they are really ready to be landed, but they won't land in j2 obviously | 15:31 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova, ildikov: so no response on that idea to restart services to temporarily accelerate the polling cycle? | 15:31 |
| vrovachev | very slow code review process :( | 15:31 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: yeah the juno-2 ship has sailed :( | 15:31 |
| ildikov | eglynn: not yet, but this patch is for notifications as I saw | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, as for the restarting - no, no news... this letter was sent, etc | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, yeah - there are ready ones | 15:32 |
| eglynn | so part of this may be resolved by this notion being pushed by QA currently | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | tempest tests not related to the polling | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, they were silent :( | 15:32 |
| eglynn | of pushing non-blackbox testing into the functional test suites in the project trees | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | will continue pinging :( | 15:32 |
| eglynn | i.e. removing from tempest | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: k, I'll also ping if there's no response bu EoW | 15:33 |
| mtreinish | DinaBelova: well to be fair that was sent during that midcycle | 15:33 |
| ildikov | eglynn: maybe your PTL hat would be useful now to start the discussion about that topic ;) | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, yes, I know that | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | it was sent to start the async discussion | 15:33 |
| mtreinish | I had forgotten about it, until I just saw this | 15:33 |
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| mtreinish | I'll write a reply | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, as sync one was not available | 15:33 |
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| ildikov | mtreinish: cool, thanks | 15:34 |
| eglynn | mtreinish: np, we realized you guys would be in conclave last week | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, I'm really ok to have just irc chat :) | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, or letter responce | 15:34 |
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| DinaBelova | whatever is comfortable for you | 15:34 |
| mtreinish | DinaBelova: either or, I don't want to take up your meeting time though | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, and some reviews for the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71259/ cain will be also really appreciated | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, ;) | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | thank you sir so much | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, so I hope to see the ready tests asap (they are really almost done - and different comments have been fixed) | 15:36 |
| mtreinish | DinaBelova: sure, I'll try to take another look at that after I get back fromlunch | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | FYI mtreinish & I also had a brief discussion yesterday on what's coming up re. pushing out functional testing into the projects http://paste.openstack.org/show/87779 | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | as for the polling tests - let's see what we'll have after mtreinish & co will look on them :) | 15:36 |
| eglynn | ... will be followed up on the ML and at the PTLs meeting the week after next | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, thank you sir so much! I know that's tough to keep in mind so much things you have folks in the QA sphere here | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | ok, anything else on Tempest? | 15:37 |
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| DinaBelova | no, i guess no | 15:38 |
| eglynn | moving on ... | 15:38 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | jd__: the floor is yours sir! :) | 15:38 |
| jd__ | sure | 15:40 |
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| jd__ | so we got merged the new aggregation code using pandas | 15:40 |
| jd__ | that now compute things correctly :-D | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | jd__: \o\ :) | 15:40 |
| jd__ | we also have the new indexer feature to have details when listing resources | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | jd__: will we go ahead and land that with the accept-extension idea? | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | ... *without the accept-extension idea? | 15:41 |
| eglynn | jd__: a-ha, you've got it in the latest :) | 15:42 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109315/1/gnocchi/rest/__init__.py | 15:42 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:42 |
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| jd__ | yes | 15:43 |
| jd__ | and I'll try to continue otherwise nothing new | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | jd__: I've given pauldix a few weeks since mid-cycle to work on those influxdb issue we talked about | 15:44 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... I'm planning to pick that up again next week with his latest | 15:44 |
| jd__ | ok | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... so we may need to touch base on how the "restricted" rention policies might look like in the API | 15:45 |
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| * jd__ nods | 15:45 | |
| eglynn | ... i.e. in the case where a driver is not capable of giving infinite degrees on freedom on that | 15:45 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:45 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: anythng to report on opentsdb? | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, /me still debugging | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | hope to end up with it today | 15:46 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool enough, thanks! | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | also Julien said really nice idea to me | 15:46 |
| eglynn | oh yeah, wanna share? | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | I needed to write my own rest client to opentsdb | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | yeah | 15:46 |
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| DinaBelova | and I've placed that code in gnocchi code - like utils, etc | 15:46 |
| jd__ | yeah I don't want to bring an opentsdb client in gnocchi as it should be useful standalone | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | jd__, indeed | 15:47 |
| eglynn | yeah I saw that patch being -2'd | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | so I've posted the change to infa config | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | to create new stackforge project | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | not merged yet, but still | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | now I keep code in gnocchi to debug, but I'll move to the standalone client when the repo will be created | 15:48 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, thanks! | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, np | 15:48 |
| eglynn | anything else related to gnocchi? | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | reminder: proposal deadline for summit talks is next Monday July 28th | 15:50 |
| eglynn | so if anyone is chewing on proposing something related to ceilo, best to get your skates on :) | 15:50 |
| cdent | just for a quick update, it looks like s.dague is getting pretty closeon the javelin2 stuff | 15:50 |
| eglynn | cdent: nice one! | 15:50 |
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| cdent | I keep an eye on the various reviews, and they are creeping forward | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ... so that would mean the restriction on new features for javelin would be lifted? | 15:51 |
| cdent | eventually, but can't guess when | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | cdent: cool, thanks for the update | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | ... going, going ... | 15:53 |
| eglynn | ... gone! :) | 15:53 |
| eglynn | thanks all for the productive meeting, let's call that a wrap! | 15:54 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 15:54:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-24-15.00.html | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-24-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-07-24-15.00.log.html | 15:54 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 24 22:00:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who do we have here today? | 22:01 |
| masayukig | o/ | 22:01 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_July_24_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| oomichi | hi | 22:01 |
| andreaf | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ok well let's get started | 22:02 |
| asselin | hi | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #link Volunteer to run next 2 meetings on July 31st and August 7th (mtreinish) | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | d'oh | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Volunteer to run next 2 meetings on July 31st and August 7th (mtreinish) | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so I won't be able to make the next 2 meetings | 22:02 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I can do next week but will be out Aug 7th | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | so I'm looking for a volunteer to run them and send the reminder email out | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, I think having one person do both would be preferable but we can split it up | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | especially given the timezone differences | 22:03 |
| masayukig | I can't join next 2 meetings.. sorry. | 22:03 |
| oomichi | I also cannot make both :-( | 22:04 |
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| sdague | both the next meetings are iffy for me actually | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig, oomichi: heh, stop doing that, you're beating me to asking you if you can lead the Aug 7th meeting :) | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | hmm, ok well if no one can run the Aug 7th one then how about we just cancel it | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | so dkranz if you want to take July 31st | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | and I'll cancel the Aug 7th meeting | 22:05 |
| sdague | +1 | 22:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure. If there is no one around to run the meeting it won't be very useful :) | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #info dkranz to run July 31st meeting and send email reminder | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #info Aug 7th meeting is cancelled | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on to the next topic | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | #topic Mid-cycle Meetup Summary (mtreinish) | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | so last week we had the midcycle meetup in Darmstadt | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | which I thought was very productive | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Qa_Infra_Meetup_2014 | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | that's the etherpad we were using to track things during it | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | but the work items that started out of it were | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | the test-accounts alternative to tenant isolation | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | converting the scenario tests to use the tempest clients | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | and the giant re-architect the gate thread | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | which jeblair and sdague pushed out to the ML | 22:08 |
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| sdague | yeh, that would be great to get folks in on if they haven't yet looked at it | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | I just wanted to give a brief overview of what we were working on for those who couldn't attend | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | so unless there are any questions I think we can move on | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | ok so this week is the J-2 milestone | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | so I wanted to go over the BPs targetted for J-2 and see what's going on for those | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | #link https://launchpad.net/tempest/+milestone/juno-2 | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: heh, so for Migrate the Scenario Tests to the Tempest Clients we should probably defer it to J-3 right? | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | we probably were a bit overoptimistic last week when we started it :) | 22:11 |
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| masayukig | mtreinish: yeah, that's right. | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | ok next on the list is javelin 2 | 22:12 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, masayukig: yes - but that's moving forward quiclky at least :) | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that's a defer too right? | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, it is moving quickly, which is great | 22:12 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yes, we're close, but it's definitely going to defer | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | hmm so does anyone know Arthur Svechnikov's nick? | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | although I'm pretty sure ceilometer scenarios is also a defer | 22:14 |
| masayukig | andreaf, mtreinish: yeah, 10/18 test cases are done or doing, now. | 22:14 |
| masayukig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-client-scenarios | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: yeah that is a lot of progress for 1 week | 22:14 |
| andreaf | masayukig, mtreinish: I'm trying to get onboard some more collegaues on it | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | hmm looking at the rest of the list I think all the other bps are defers too | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Isn't your "Add a config file verification tool" "done" ? | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well it still needs some more testing coverage | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I mean I am refactoring it right now but that is not really related to the blueprint, more to the one from boris | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | but functionaly I think I've gotten most of down already | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: but sure I can close it out | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I suggest waiting until I check in the refactor for that. | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | unless there are other discoverable options I've missed | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok that's fine I'll defer it too | 22:16 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: If there are, I will find them. | 22:16 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ANd include them in the refactoring | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: you joined right in time :) | 22:17 |
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| dpaterson | Sorry I was late, traffic | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/post-run-cleanup | 22:17 |
| masayukig | andreaf: great! | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | since the j-2 milestone is this week | 22:17 |
| dpaterson | yes | 22:17 |
| dpaterson | I have most of it done. The last piece I am working on is the --dry-run. | 22:17 |
| dpaterson | I am going to finish that up early next week | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok have you pushed anything up for review yet? | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | it's ok to do it iteratively | 22:18 |
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| dpaterson | Not yet | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok, then I should defer it to the next milestone? | 22:18 |
| dpaterson | When is that? | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: Sept. 4th I believe | 22:19 |
| dpaterson | yes, that seems like a better plan | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: it's not going to get merged this week so yeah :) | 22:19 |
| dkranz | dpaterson: deferring it doesn't mean you can't check it in as soon as you want :) | 22:19 |
| dpaterson | yes | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | ok the last thing is mriedem's BP for the CLI version check | 22:20 |
| dpaterson | I can push code pretty soon. | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok awesome | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | that BP should be finished after https://review.openstack.org/100031 lands | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | so we can close that out on schedule if it get's merged this week :) | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | but if not it's no big deal | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | ok aside from the people who I know aren't here or I don't know their irc handles that should cover all the BPs for J-2 | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | I'll reach out to those I missed outside the meeting | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | but I think they're all defers | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | so does anyone have anything else to discuss on Blueprints | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we can move on | 22:22 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish: how is that BP related to the cleanup work I am doing? | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: the BP is used for tracking that effort | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | the spec proposal you got merged, turned into the blueprint so we can track it's progress | 22:23 |
| dpaterson | Add min_client_version decorator for CLI tests? | 22:23 |
| dpaterson | That is the title 10031 | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: oh, sorry I jumped the gun a bit and changed the BP we were discussing before you were finished | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | it was a separate thought from your cleanup BP discussion | 22:24 |
| dpaterson | no worries | 22:24 |
| dpaterson | making sure I wasn't missing something | 22:24 |
| dpaterson | tx | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | ok if there's nothing else then let's move on | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | so I put one spec in the agenda this week: | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108858/ | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | I basically outlined how I think we should break out a portion of tempest's common code to create an OpenStack functional testing library | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | this can be re-used for project specific functional testing | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | which was a component of the ML thread on changing what we do in the gate | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | It's a little sparse on the details right now | 22:26 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: LGTM except for my comment | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | but if people could take a look and add their thoughts that would be great | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I have a response drafted I just need to finish it | 22:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I'll add it to my review list | 22:27 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: are you thinking of a new olso.xyz | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I specifically didn't want it in oslo, because I want it to be under the QA program | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | I also wanted to call it mesocyclone, and oslo.mesocyclone just looks weird :) | 22:28 |
| dkranz | andreaf: It would also be weird for oslo to have another rest client | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | ok that's all I had for my spec review | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have a spec proposal that they would like to bring up? | 22:29 |
| dkranz | Some people already wonder why it is not unified with the official client | 22:29 |
| andreaf | the test-account spec, what shall we do? | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, that I don't know, I think it comes down different implementation goals | 22:29 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98400/ | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, that's a good point I forgot to review that before we started working on it | 22:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't either but it was discussed at the neutron mid-cycle | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I'll take a look at it tomorrow and fix anything that differs from what we've implemented and self approve it | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | if no one objects to that | 22:30 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: sure I'm ok with that | 22:31 |
| dkranz | anderstj: There was a -1 review with some nits | 22:31 |
| dkranz | andreaf: ^^^ | 22:31 |
| dkranz | anderstj: Sorry | 22:31 |
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| marun | +1 for me on eventual unification | 22:32 |
| marun | I think there could be a core that encompasses the goals of the tempest client | 22:32 |
| andreaf | dkranz: I'll have a look as well - mtreinish: if you want to post comments I can make a new version as you wish | 22:32 |
| marun | and something that uses that core but with end-user niceties | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | marun: heh, I'm not sure that was actually on the table :) | 22:32 |
| marun | I know it's not on the table now | 22:32 |
| marun | that's why I said 'eventual' | 22:33 |
| oomichi | andreaf: I also will join to the spec. | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | marun: heh, fair enough | 22:33 |
| marun | when the unnecessary duplication becomes painful and therefore obvious | 22:33 |
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| marun | :) | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | ok are there any other specs to discuss? | 22:33 |
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| andreaf | marun: I think trying to make that now would divert us from the primary focus to much | 22:34 |
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| andreaf | marun: but eventually it may be | 22:34 |
| marun | andreaf: yeah, I'm not pushing hard for thinking about it now | 22:34 |
| marun | just planting a sead | 22:34 |
| marun | seed | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move to the next topic | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | #topic Now that there is agreement to move api/func testing to projects, should we start that (virtually) now? (dkranz) | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: with the absurdly long topic title, you've got the floor | 22:35 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So this was based on two opinions I have | 22:35 |
| dkranz | 1. We are paying too much for "double-entry" bookkeeping | 22:35 |
| dkranz | 2. It has never been clear exactly what the content of tempest api tests should be | 22:36 |
| dkranz | Right now they are not enough to keep out bugs, but enough to run a long time and trigger flaky bugs | 22:36 |
| dkranz | One good answer is more func tests in projects | 22:36 |
| dkranz | But having a full set in tempest does not scale | 22:37 |
| dkranz | Open for other comments :) | 22:37 |
| sdague | dkranz: 100% agree | 22:37 |
| sdague | we've grown beyond the point where that's sustainable | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: So I am proposing something very simple for now | 22:38 |
| dkranz | I actully think this was the original purpose of the smoke tag | 22:38 |
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| oomichi | if moving API tests to each project, will tempest contain only scenario tests and CLI tests? | 22:38 |
| dkranz | It was never envisioned that tempest api would get to where it is now | 22:38 |
| dkranz | It grew organically and with the tc command for tempest tests | 22:38 |
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| dkranz | oomichi: NO, it needs to have cross-proejct api tests | 22:39 |
| dkranz | oomichi: The trick is that it is not always obvious how to determine that | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I agree too, but I don't think we should be running less in the gate now. Just not grow it much and start to migrate things to the projects as functional tests | 22:39 |
| dkranz | oomichi: But I think we should trty | 22:39 |
| marun | dkranz: aka integration tests | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: actually cli tests will be the first thing converted to project functional tests | 22:39 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I am not really opposed to that but we have to define what is supposed to be there | 22:39 |
| marun | I would hope that the goal would be migrating responsibility rather than hack/slash, so that we don't lose out in the transition. | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: because there isn't anything that's cross-project about them, they really are functional tests, not integration tests | 22:40 |
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| sdague | oomichi: so honestly, I'd start with migrating out the CLI tests | 22:40 |
| oomichi | mtreinish, dkranz: ah, I can see it. | 22:40 |
| rockyg | Question: Most of Refstack tests are API tests. Could QA still be the central agent (at least one +2) while the tests get executed outside of tempest? | 22:40 |
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| mtreinish | marun: yes, which was basically my comment on the ML thread about the gate rearchitecture | 22:40 |
| marun | mtreinish++ | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | I don't want to see a drop in coverage while we move to something more targetted | 22:41 |
| sdague | marun: we're not rushing this one | 22:41 |
| rockyg | I think QA still needs some ownership, including repo, just not the infra the tests run on. | 22:41 |
| sdague | this is about building momentum towards a better system | 22:41 |
| andreaf | tracking which api we touch in either API or scenario tests may help us getting an idea of the kind of coverage we have | 22:41 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: fair enough. But we have to define what will be in tempest going forward | 22:41 |
| andreaf | it would be good to have something like the stress api tracker for all tests | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yes I agree, we need to figure that out before we start doing anything | 22:42 |
| marun | I think in an ideal case the projects write new API and scenario tests in-tree, and then migrate into separate repos once they have been stabilized. | 22:42 |
| rockyg | Could API test results feed into QA the way refstack results feed into Refstack.org? | 22:42 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: And there would be a lot of value in running only nova smoke against other projects. Whether that value has greater costs is debatable. | 22:42 |
| marun | Whether QA or qualified project-specific reviewers maintain those 'test' repos would be an implementation detail. | 22:42 |
| sdague | marun: or just put a hacking freeze on those tests | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | marun: yes I think something like that would be an ideal way to do it, but we need criteria on what kind of test is allowed to do that | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | and what should be in tempest | 22:43 |
| marun | sdague: I'm not sure what you mean, how would it protect against accidental modification? | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | marun: I think he's saying have the pep8 job fail if the test is changed | 22:43 |
| marun | mtreinish: I didn't realize that was possible, link? | 22:43 |
| sdague | marun: enforce a rule where some part of the tree can only be changed if it's the only part that's changed | 22:43 |
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| sdague | marun: that code doesn't exist yet, but it would be a thing one could write | 22:44 |
| marun | That sounds great if it would allow us to protect API tests against regression. | 22:44 |
| marun | sdague: ah, gotcha. Definitely a worthy initiative | 22:44 |
| sdague | marun: yeh | 22:44 |
| sdague | honestly, my goal here is to move more responsibility back to the projects, and hopefully help expose some issues in a simpler state of the world that means better overall openstack quality | 22:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: yes, that would be a less costly way to get double-entry bookkeeping | 22:45 |
| sdague | dkranz: yep | 22:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: ++ | 22:45 |
| marun | sdague: ++ | 22:46 |
| dkranz | sdague: Let's think about what tests tempest would actually have in that world | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | sdague: you sure flip flop on your opinion about hacking :) | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: so I think give our time constraints we'll have to take that converastion outside the meeting | 22:46 |
| marun | isn't it better to be right than hypocritical? ;) | 22:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: agreed | 22:46 |
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| marun | that made no sense, sorry | 22:47 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I just wanted to get this discussion going as a follow-on to Sean and Jim's email | 22:47 |
| marun | hypocritical + right vs consistent + wrong | 22:47 |
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| sdague | marun: it's called learning and adapting :) | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I plan to start a separate ML thread in response to: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/041182.html | 22:47 |
| marun | sdague: ++ | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | although I think we'll inevitably have a summit session titled: "Tempest Scope in the Brave New World" | 22:48 |
| rockyg | ++ | 22:48 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: +1 | 22:48 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: great. I feel like we have turned a major corner here to make things better | 22:48 |
| masayukig | Mtreinish: +1 | 22:48 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: nice title:) | 22:49 |
| marun | mtreinish: ++, look forward to it | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | but, I definitely don't want to punt on the discussion until Nov., so I think we should definitely take this to the ML and other places in the mean time | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | anyway we've got 10min left so I think we should move on | 22:49 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, sdague: the post gate testing part of it opens up space for more complex and possibly long running tests as well - which could live in tempest in the brave new world | 22:50 |
| rockyg | andreaf: +1 integrated tests, scenario tests, etc | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:50 |
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| sdague | andreaf: maybe... | 22:50 |
| andreaf | sdague :D | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any reviews they'd like to bring up? | 22:51 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: all the reviews related to scenario migration | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: a link? | 22:51 |
| andreaf | especially the base onse | 22:51 |
| sdague | andreaf: honestly, getting more debugable functional tests would be might better for overall quality | 22:51 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/107552 | 22:51 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/107562 | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/107371 | 22:52 |
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| andreaf | sdague: perhaps... but if you can collect big data (using subunit2sql) and watch trend on less stable tests it may give you something interesting | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | that is also from the mid-cycle and I think it is ready since I added more unit tests | 22:53 |
| afazekas | :) | 22:53 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I'll check it tomorrow | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: well, I need to get subunit2sql into infra first :) | 22:54 |
| andreaf | pre-unit tests it was good already for me | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, well I found some bugs through unit testing... | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews to bring up? | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Proposal of temp review policies (andreaf) | 22:56 |
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| andreaf | there are three things I wanted to propose | 22:56 |
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| andreaf | New scenario tests shall use tempest client. I guess people could rebase on in-flight changes? | 22:56 |
| andreaf | until the migration bp is completed | 22:57 |
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| marun | hmmm | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | so I'm fine with that one, except we have some long standing reviews adding scenarios | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | I'd hate to churn on that again to rebase and change the client usage | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | I'm thinking mostly around heat | 22:58 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok - well we left the original base classes in for now | 22:58 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes I started working on the existing heat ones, but it may take a bit longer | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: but for submissions that are newer than last week I definitely agree | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: < 2 min so what are the other 2? :) | 22:58 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok makese sense | 22:58 |
| andreaf | New API tests shall not include return code validation. I think introducing return code validation should be a separate patch as it can be reviewed and tested independently | 22:59 |
| andreaf | New scenario / API neutron tests on hold (no +A) until full job voting on neutron and tempest | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | so we actually have an agreement on that last one from several meetings back | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | I can dig up the logs | 22:59 |
| andreaf | ok | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | the second one I'm not sure about, mostly because I'm not sure what the goal is | 23:00 |
| andreaf | I though the last proposal was to make the job voting on neutron only but I think it should be on tempest as well | 23:00 |
| andreaf | ok we can take it offline time's up | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yep | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | ok thanks everyone we're at time | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 24 23:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-24-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-24-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-07-24-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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