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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 30 16:01:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | who has joined us? :) | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | raise your hands | 16:02 |
| xazel | hey | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi Kirill | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | btw, while we're waiting for others let me show you something | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | you may be familiar with this | 16:03 |
| akuznetsova | hey | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | hi! | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | Kirill, can you take a look pls at http://paste.openstack.org/show/85171/ | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | Nastya gets it when she is trying to run Mistral API | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | I believe something is wrong with keystone | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | isn't it that problem with openssl? | 16:04 |
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| xazel | nope, it's not. I haven't seen anything like that before. | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | hm, ok | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | probable it is my local problems and i do something wrong | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | i will try again tomorrow in the new venv | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, ok, let's go through the process of installation tomorrow together step by step | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | you can share your screen and we'll try to figure the problem out | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, not sure how many people are going to be here today, looks like there are just three of us for now | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | so let's make it quick | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | Kolya is on enforced vacation till July 26th, Timur is busy | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | Dmitri and Winson seem to be busy as well | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Previous Action Items | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:08 | |
| rakhmerov | no previous action items! | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (quickly by team members) | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (quickly by team members) (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:08 | |
| rakhmerov | let's start with Kirill | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | xazel, what are you up to? | 16:09 |
| xazel | spent the week trying to merge stackstorm\mistral-demo into stackforge/mistral-extra (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103015/) | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | current status? Roadblocks? | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | what's left? | 16:09 |
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| xazel | basically, we need to rewrite some examples to reflect latest changes in DSL and then figure out how to make it as friendly to user as possible | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | will you have some time tomorrow? We could try to work on this together and fix what's needed | 16:11 |
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| xazel | I think so. Skype me when you have time. | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, what's your status? | 16:12 |
| akuznetsova | hm..not very optimistic, cause i am on the way to install the mistral | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, skype Kirill on Tue and work with him on integrating mistral-demo examples into mistral-extra | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, don't worry, that's totally fine | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, get in touch with Nastya and figure out the problem with Mistral installation | 16:14 |
| akuznetsova | plans : install mistral and update requirements and check that all is ok, then to start see into python-mistral client | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | afaik, you've done a good job on preparing a proposal for testing infrastructure | 16:14 |
| akuznetsova | thanks, also i prepared some blueprints | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, that's good, I still didn't look at them, will do tomorrow (or may be today later while watching World Cup :) ) | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | My status: last Tue released Mistral version 0.0.4 and since then I have been researching a lot of Workflow related stuff (Petri nets, WFMSs, BPM/BPMN/BPEL, Ansible, yawl, workflow patterns) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | I have read a lot of interesting things | 16:16 |
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| tnurlygayanov | Hi there! | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | that made me sure we haven't done anything really stupid so far | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | hey Timur! | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | glad you made it to join us | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | so my plan is to spend 2-3 days more on that because I think it's really useful to get on a distance from what we're doing and rethink our ideas | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | tnurlygayanov, do you have any updates? | 16:18 |
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| tnurlygayanov | rakhmerov, sorry, no updates for the last week, now I'm woring with many projects in parallel | 16:19 |
| tnurlygayanov | *working | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | understandable, no problem | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | Timur, the only thing I'd ask you to help with (you and/or Sergey) is try to install Mistral on Nastya's machine | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | she keeps getting a problem | 16:20 |
| tnurlygayanov | I know that we have some internal OpenStack lab for manual testing, rakhmerov, are you got it? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | http://paste.openstack.org/show/85171/ | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I'll try to look at it myself tomorrow morning but just in case if we can't do it it would be nice if you could help her | 16:21 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok, we will check. Do you have ideas what the root of these problems? | 16:21 |
| tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | Timur, no I am not aware of the dedicated OpenStack lab for Mistral | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | I think there's something wrong with keystone, may be even reinstallation of openssl is required | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | it's just a theory though | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | so, what is the status on Mistral lab? | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, Timur, let's discuss Mistral Lab separately | 16:24 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I see that the ticket in Jira is closed | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | but not sure why it's rejected :) | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Further plans | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Further plans (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:25 | |
| rakhmerov | our further plans is to make a serious refactoring and add the functionality needed for version 0.1 | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I'm planning to finish needed research by the end of the week and start coding it | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I wish Dmitri was here to discuss this topic more, maybe next time | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:26 | |
| rakhmerov | guys, do you have anything else for today to discuss? | 16:27 |
| akuznetsova | nothing from my side | 16:27 |
| xazel | nope | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | for this week I'd like to see those bugs fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/~winson-c-chan | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll ping Dmitri and ask him about this | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish then | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | thanks everyone for joining in | 16:29 |
| akuznetsova | buy | 16:29 |
| xazel | thanks! | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | bye-bye | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 30 16:30:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-06-30-16.01.html | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-06-30-16.01.txt | 16:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-06-30-16.01.log.html | 16:30 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 30 17:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
| sarob | Roll call | 17:00 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:00 |
| dbite | hello | 17:00 |
| Guest99011 | Hello | 17:00 |
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| rluethi | hey | 17:00 |
| annegent_ | hey | 17:01 |
| annegent_ | I can only stay for a few, sorry | 17:01 |
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| fthamura | greet all :) | 17:01 |
| * dbite lets cover anne's part first then | 17:01 | |
| sarob | Annegent_ let's start with docs-specs then | 17:01 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:01 |
| sarob | #topic docs-specs repo | 17:02 |
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| annegent_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103115/ | 17:02 |
| annegent_ | Looks like I need to get the ACLs set, working on that this morning (not sure how yet) | 17:02 |
| matjazp | what's with ACLs? new group docs-specs-core? | 17:02 |
| annegent_ | Ah I'm behind, Andreas is on it | 17:02 |
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| annegent_ | matjazp: yeah, it seems like glance, nova, etc. are setting up separate spec review core teams | 17:03 |
| sarob | Annegent_ what's the process plan for getting specs approved? | 17:04 |
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| sarob | Annegent_ and how narrow specs should be? | 17:04 |
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| sarob | annegent_ should I start that discussion on the ML? | 17:05 |
| annegent_ | sarob: re: approval. I'd like two +2s | 17:05 |
| matjazp | sarob: or maybe comments on that review? | 17:05 |
| annegent_ | sarob: but will approve as PTL as oslo and others are doing by sending a note to the mailing list saying "-1 now or forever hold your peace" | 17:05 |
| sarob | Both sounds right to me | 17:05 |
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| sarob | Annegent_ not sure I understand? | 17:06 |
| annegent_ | sarob: re: scope of spec. I'd like to keep the same as we have now. No blueprint needed for general content changes, but need a blueprint for sweeping changes across multiple books or for tooling changes. | 17:06 |
| annegent_ | sarob: matjazp: yes comments on that review will certainly hold back approval | 17:06 |
| dbite | annegent_: in that case, flat repo structure should do the trick | 17:07 |
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| sarob | Dbite agreed there | 17:07 |
| rluethi | annegent_: tooling changes == different tools, right? not changes regarding tools. that would get tired fast. | 17:07 |
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| annegent_ | rluethi: right, different tools, or new tools | 17:08 |
| annegent_ | sarob: understand the review? Thinking of the oslo thread here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037082.html | 17:08 |
| matjazp | so BPs are for big changes only? As now, they were used (in Training guides) for more specific, smaller changes | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | like add a chapter | 17:08 |
| annegent_ | matjazp: to me, in the docs program, we have used bps for large changes. Smaller changes are bugs and the discussion is in the bug comments. | 17:09 |
| annegent_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/ | 17:09 |
| sarob | annegent_ I get that it's the -1 ptl bit I don't get | 17:09 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: in oslo's case, the ptl sent out a note http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038423.html that said, "we've talked about this extensively, I'll go ahead and approve unless someone says not to by a particular date" | 17:10 |
| sarob | Annegent_ ah, right. | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | new chapter in guides=bug or BP? | 17:11 |
| annegent_ | sarob: we can certainly talk more about scope of blueprints and when they are required and when they are not on the ML | 17:11 |
| sarob | Okay, so team, are we in agreement to start using the docs-specs repo for our specs? | 17:11 |
| sarob | annegent_ roger that | 17:11 |
| dbite | matjazp: new chapter == bug/ new book == BP | 17:11 |
| matjazp | +1 for specs | 17:11 |
| annegent_ | matjazp: same for you, ask that question on the ML. I'm inclined towards fewer BPs but that's me | 17:11 |
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| annegent_ | dbite: that's how I'll lean | 17:12 |
| annegent_ | towards lean. haha | 17:12 |
| sarob | Id like to debate through specs reviews new material or books like the Dev guide | 17:12 |
| rluethi | sarob: fine | 17:12 |
| sarob | Can a get a few more votes? | 17:13 |
| sarob | Docs-specs yes or no | 17:13 |
| annegent_ | sarob: new material can be a bp, such as the ceilometer admin info | 17:13 |
| fthamura | question: how will complete and coverehensive the openstack manual will be? | 17:13 |
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| sarob | Annegent_ got it | 17:13 |
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| annegent_ | fthamura: we try to keep the docs scope tight due to limited resources and needing to prioritize. | 17:14 |
| sarob | Dbite matjazp | 17:14 |
| dbite | ? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | sarob: I allready voted +1 | 17:14 |
| dbite | +1 | 17:14 |
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| sarob | Okay thx | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | sarob: whatever facilitates dicussion is good. I am somewhat concerned with the bureaucracy. | 17:14 |
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| * dbite should we think of using #vote? | 17:15 | |
| annegent_ | rluethi: I know, it's a balancing act. | 17:15 |
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| dbite | rluethi: talking about todays spec merge! | 17:15 |
| dbite | nice point | 17:15 |
| annegent_ | sorry, have to go. I'll catch up in the notes. | 17:15 |
| sarob | Dbite next time sure | 17:15 |
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| sarob | Annegent_ thx | 17:15 |
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| sarob | #topic reviews | 17:16 |
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| sarob | Has everyone reviewed at least once last week? | 17:16 |
| * dbite more than once | 17:16 | |
| rluethi | me too. | 17:16 |
| sarob | Excelllent | 17:16 |
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| sarob | Anyone else? | 17:17 |
| dbite | I am treating the reviews as servers and I am on call :) | 17:17 |
| sarob | Me too | 17:17 |
| rluethi | aol. | 17:17 |
| sarob | Okay well that's a good start | 17:17 |
| dbite | I think we have about 12-20 hours before a patch is reviewed at present | 17:18 |
| dbite | sarob: I agree | 17:18 |
| matjazp | hmmm... we had +2 for accepted.. should we try to use +1's? And save +2s for "emergency"? | 17:18 |
| sarob | Config gerrit/review to watch openstack/training-guides | 17:18 |
| dbite | matjazp: yes, that is the practise | 17:18 |
| dbite | critical stuff is getting instant +2, +1 (workflow) | 17:18 |
| rluethi | easy patches get reviewed a lot faster than 12-20 hours. | 17:18 |
| sarob | Matjazp that's a good practice. I will work on that | 17:19 |
| dbite | other stuff, two reviewers are doing the same thing after +1 from jenkins and +1 from other reviewer | 17:19 |
| matjazp | there were quite a few +2.. maybe we should slow down and use +1s | 17:19 |
| dbite | rluethi: I meant initial response time | 17:19 |
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| rluethi | dbite: it's often a couple of hours tops. | 17:19 |
| sarob | Let's work on getting multiple reviews same day | 17:20 |
| dbite | yep, worst case (weekends) its not more than a few hours | 17:20 |
| sarob | At least | 17:20 |
| dbite | yep, we have good geo-coverage as of now | 17:20 |
| rluethi | split patches into pieces that are easy to digest, and it won't be a problem. | 17:20 |
| dbite | till I move to GMT+1 | 17:20 |
| sarob | #action team reviews same days | 17:20 |
| matjazp | dbite: oh? gmt+1? in my neighbourhood? :) | 17:20 |
| dbite | matjazp: yep :) | 17:21 |
| sarob | #action core reviewers work on +1 reviews, +2 sparingly | 17:21 |
| rluethi | GMT+1 covers quite an area. | 17:21 |
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| dbite | move on? | 17:22 |
| sarob | Shillasaebi any notes from your team? | 17:22 |
| sarob | #topic stable team update | 17:22 |
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| Guest99011 | sarob: this is Megan, we are working on breaking down the training guides | 17:23 |
| dbite | Guest99011: hi megan | 17:23 |
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| sarob | Guest99011 gots an etherpad for work so far? | 17:24 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | sorry - no notes as of now @sarob | 17:24 |
| dbite | can we do the initial planning here ? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-install-guide | 17:24 |
| Guest99011 | I will add information there - we have been working internally, and need to review the email sent this morning | 17:24 |
| sarob | Okay | 17:24 |
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| dbite | I am moving the XML files as per this BP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103482/ | 17:25 |
| dbite | before I start with install guides work | 17:25 |
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| sarob | Dbite hmm, I'm okay with this. We will end up with a common dir too? | 17:26 |
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| dbite | sarob: I cannot say as of now, may be in future | 17:26 |
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| sarob | Dbite okay. As long as the team can follow the change | 17:27 |
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| dbite | I think this change is welcome, it should make our lives very simple for editing XML | 17:27 |
| sarob | Dbite what about the naming change we discussed? | 17:28 |
| * dbite memory loss | 17:28 | |
| dbite | can you tell me a bit more on that? | 17:28 |
| sarob | Dbite normally these two topics would be specs | 17:28 |
| sarob | Dbite mentioned desire to rename files | 17:29 |
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| dbite | yes, its under the same spec | 17:29 |
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| sarob | Dbite ah. Okay. So next time we do something this big, let's create a spec/bp | 17:30 |
| sarob | Dbite for debate transparency | 17:30 |
| dbite | mostly, we just modify this spec | 17:30 |
| dbite | yes | 17:30 |
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| sarob | Okay. Anything else? | 17:30 |
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| dbite | bouncerstation is setup | 17:30 |
| dbite | infact I am connected to ZNC as of now | 17:30 |
| * dguitarbite :| I feel I am ditched ;) | 17:31 | |
| dbite | *bouncerstation setup is done | 17:31 |
| dbite | I will put the docs up after the meeting | 17:31 |
| dbite | so others can use it too | 17:31 |
| rluethi | dbite: great. thanks. | 17:32 |
| sarob | Dbite cool, so you are unable to use your normal handle through znc live? | 17:32 |
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| * dbite welcome | 17:32 | |
| dbite | sarob: I can use them both | 17:32 |
| dbite | as you saw | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | I can use my normal login via. client | 17:32 |
| sarob | Dbite okay got it | 17:32 |
| dbite | it works fine, my ID's are aliases and auth. to freenode via. SSL and password | 17:32 |
| sarob | Dbite thanks. I will review and add mobile config if any | 17:33 |
| dbite | and I can use bouncerstation login via. the same client to be more verbose | 17:33 |
| dbite | sarob: sure | 17:33 |
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| sarob | Dbite if like to target Juno-m2 for stable team to have the assoc and oper guides up to icehouse | 17:34 |
| sarob | Dbite is that possible? | 17:34 |
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| dbite | when is Juno-m2? | 17:34 |
| sarob | 26jul | 17:35 |
| dbite | it should be possible | 17:35 |
| sarob | #action stable team icehouse target juno-m2 | 17:35 |
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| sarob | #action core-reviewers use irc bouncer for their irc handle | 17:36 |
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| dbite | #action setup bouncerstation steps on wiki | 17:36 |
| sarob | #core reviewers review at least once per day | 17:36 |
| sarob | #topic Dev team | 17:37 |
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| sarob | So we have stalled with the specs thing in the middle | 17:37 |
| dbite | sarob: I think officiating it via. manuals was a bit time consuming | 17:38 |
| sarob | I will get the bp discussion restarted on the ML on prereq, labs | 17:38 |
| matjazp | I was holding my BPs back (spec repo changing)... but also...now Anne said that new chapters are bugs, right? We kinda used BPs for way smaller tasks for now... should we discuss this (big or "small" BPs)on ML? To be in sync with Docs team... (they use BPs for bigger changes) | 17:39 |
| sarob | Matjazp I think we should do what the team feels right | 17:39 |
| matjazp | I kinda like smaller BPs.. you guys? | 17:40 |
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| sarob | Matjazp I think annegent_ can live with us being a bit more active with bps | 17:40 |
| sarob | Matjazp I agree | 17:40 |
| sarob | Matjazp bp equal storyboard cards for me | 17:41 |
| sarob | Matjazp and that maps closer to the storyboard project which we prob will be using by fall | 17:41 |
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| dbite | matjazp: for your sub-team, its your decision | 17:42 |
| sarob | Dbite I like that | 17:42 |
| dbite | I still feel that specs provide better documentation for blueprints. | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | sarob: will Storyboard change specs/BP way of working? | 17:42 |
| sarob | Dbite allows for debate and discussion | 17:43 |
| dbite | but it adds lot of bureaucracy | 17:43 |
| sarob | Dbite true so let's move them reviews | 17:43 |
| dbite | yep | 17:44 |
| sarob | Matjazp storyboard will likely replace launchpad bp | 17:44 |
| sarob | Matjazp but still early days so specs for now | 17:44 |
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| sarob | #action each subteam will discuss what level of work equals spec/bp | 17:45 |
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| sarob | Moving on | 17:45 |
| sarob | #topic infra team update | 17:45 |
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| sarob | Irc bouncer was good | 17:46 |
| sarob | Any new tests? | 17:46 |
| rluethi | nope. | 17:46 |
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| sarob | We need to work on language support | 17:47 |
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| sarob | Some time for that | 17:47 |
| sarob | ? | 17:47 |
| rluethi | sarob: like what openstack-manuals has? | 17:47 |
| fthamura | hi all, i posted also this in ML-doc, regarding infra, can you share what is your spec there, to run test? because we are starting develop on it, is 5 intel NUC can become minimum spec for infra? | 17:47 |
| sarob | Yeah | 17:47 |
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| dbite | not yet | 17:48 |
| rluethi | sarob: I doesn't look difficult, but the devil's probably hiding in the details. | 17:48 |
| dbite | we need to get the install guides up | 17:48 |
| rluethi | sarob: and testing locally is tricky. | 17:48 |
| sarob | #action infra think on language support by Juno-m3 | 17:49 |
| sarob | Sound okay? | 17:49 |
| dbite | fthamura: we need to decide the specs, I would suggest not yet | 17:49 |
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| rluethi | sarob: should be doable. | 17:49 |
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| sarob | Fthamura we have the trainer scripts set for 4 node build. What reason would be to change? | 17:50 |
| dbite | rluethi: its you need to take the lead for multi language support, I have no idea in that area | 17:50 |
| dbite | s/its// | 17:51 |
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| fthamura | sarob: not change, i will follow your spec, as first program.. and need to create infra with several variance spec. interest with Intel NUC, because low energy | 17:51 |
| rluethi | dbite: i18n and l10n are not exactly my areas of expertise, either :) | 17:51 |
| sarob | Fthamura I think you are confusing the trainer scripts with production like cluster | 17:52 |
| sarob | Fthamura let's continue on ML | 17:53 |
| fthamura | sarob: i will email in ML, so wont distrub this meeting | 17:53 |
| sarob | Infra any thing else? | 17:53 |
| dbite | rluethi: I mean my brains point to /dev/null || /dev/rand in this | 17:53 |
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| sarob | #topic testing team update | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | sarob: we talked about PPTs some time back... do we still have a set of "core" PPTs in our plans? For Associate guide first... | 17:54 |
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| sarob | Matjazp we could start with landslide stuff stef pushed | 17:55 |
| dbite | I would like to use rst and landslide as stefano does, the ppts are really attractive, any comments? | 17:55 |
| dbite | sarob: +1 | 17:55 |
| matjazp | as soon as spec-repo is finished, I will create specs for BPs for Associate guide (missing quiz chapters) | 17:55 |
| sarob | Matjazp Good good | 17:56 |
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| fthamura | sarob: done, emailed in ML | 17:56 |
| matjazp | sarob: where is Stefs stuff? I can take a look... | 17:56 |
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| dbite | matjazp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/ | 17:57 |
| sarob | Anything else? | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | nope | 17:58 |
| sarob | #action matjazp review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/ | 17:58 |
| sarob | #action testing team specs for missing assoc quizzes | 17:58 |
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| dbite | one question | 17:58 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:58 |
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| sarob | Dbite shoot | 17:58 |
| dbite | testing team will put their content in the same folder or should I create one for them? | 17:59 |
| sarob | 1 min warning | 17:59 |
| dbite | like associate-guides/testing | 17:59 |
| dbite | or just simple | 17:59 |
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| dbite | associate-guide/*.xml(s) | 17:59 |
| dbite | ? | 17:59 |
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| matjazp | same folder I guess? | 17:59 |
| sarob | Hmm, I would think same folder too | 17:59 |
| dbite | ok | 18:00 |
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| matjazp | why separate folder? | 18:00 |
| dbite | just asking, since I did not know about it | 18:00 |
| dbite | I guess I will keep it in same folder | 18:00 |
| sarob | That's it pumpkin time. ML or channel for rest | 18:00 |
| dbite | sure I'm done | 18:00 |
| matjazp | bye | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 30 18:00:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| dbite | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-30-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-30-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-30-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 30 18:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | #chair anteaya | 18:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: anteaya krtaylor | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | Hi everyone | 18:02 |
| mestery | o/ | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | Who is here for third-party? | 18:02 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:02 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello everyone | 18:02 |
| lyxus | +1 | 18:02 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | +1 | 18:02 |
| krtaylor | so let's get started then | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | here is the agenda: | 18:03 |
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| * mestery pings lukego as well. | 18:03 | |
| lukego | hoi | 18:03 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:03 |
| mestery | lukego: Nice timing. ;_P | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | hi all | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:04 |
| asselin | hi | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | ilyashakhat__, are you here? | 18:05 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | krtaylor: yes | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | he doen'st have an item from last week | 18:05 |
| anteaya | that is from the prior weeks agenda | 18:05 |
| anteaya | the open items from last week are the two etherpads | 18:05 |
| anteaya | one to discuss log suggestions | 18:06 |
| anteaya | one to discuss length of time to report test results | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | ah, yes, it helps to refresh the page | 18:06 |
| anteaya | it does | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | (sorry a tad late) o/ | 18:06 |
| anteaya | glad your here SlickNik | 18:07 |
| luqas | me too, hi | 18:07 |
| anteaya | you're | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #topic etherpad log suggestions | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | here is the etherpad | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LogServerGeneralRecommendations | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, this was the right one? | 18:08 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:08 |
| anteaya | you're doing great | 18:08 |
| anteaya | so I'll jump in here | 18:08 |
| anteaya | so right now we have some suggestions for logging | 18:08 |
| lyxus | Can we comment on it ? or you prefer the etherpad ? | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | so, this was the discussion around the doc patch for logs | 18:09 |
| anteaya | lyxus: either | 18:09 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: was it? | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | and where they should be kept? | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | that was a question :) | 18:09 |
| anteaya | I felt this was motivated by it | 18:09 |
| anteaya | ah | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | yes | 18:09 |
| anteaya | I thought this was our suggestions for others | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | not requirements, but suggestions to help people, if they want | 18:10 |
| lyxus | I think it's a good thing to specify that the logs should be freely availble and not altered in anyways (no dropbox or box, etc..) | 18:10 |
| anteaya | so given the current suggestions, I'm wondering if anyone is willing to put together a patch to offer to third_party.rst | 18:10 |
| lyxus | but the apache etc... should be a suggestions, some people would use nginx, etc... | 18:10 |
| anteaya | lyxus: can you expand what you mean by not alterned | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | how does dropbox alter them? | 18:11 |
| lyxus | * altered | 18:11 |
| anteaya | yeah altered | 18:11 |
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| lyxus | You want an example ? | 18:12 |
| anteaya | sure | 18:12 |
| lyxus | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/11r10ij1gbejw8b/AABSFSAXduSlQUsIktiruNYHa | 18:12 |
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| lyxus | I want to see what is run, i have to download the file and search in it | 18:12 |
| anteaya | ah | 18:12 |
| anteaya | you have me at download | 18:12 |
| anteaya | files must be browsable | 18:13 |
| anteaya | that is in a patch for requirements | 18:13 |
| lyxus | another vendor http://119.15.112.63/ci_midokura_logs_2014-06-30-171123/logs/ | 18:13 |
| anteaya | we haven't gotten there yet in the agenda | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, do we need a new patch? or add to your existing one? | 18:13 |
| anteaya | let's have a new one | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101227/ | 18:13 |
| anteaya | mine is a requirement | 18:13 |
| anteaya | these are suggestions for how to meet the reuqirement | 18:13 |
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| krtaylor | anteaya, understood, a how-to type discussion, gotcha | 18:14 |
| anteaya | lyxus: and thanks for the link on the midokura logs, I will send an email after the meeting | 18:14 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: right | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | ok, since you are out, I'll take that one | 18:14 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: awesome thanks | 18:14 |
| lyxus | anteaya, there are not the only one. It's just an example | 18:15 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: any other examples you find where folks are expecting openstack devs to download logs please bring them to the attention of me, krtaylor or anyone in infra | 18:15 |
| anteaya | so we can address this and get browsable logs for devs | 18:15 |
| lyxus | anteaya, ok will do | 18:16 |
| anteaya | shall we move to the next item, krtaylor? | 18:16 |
| luqas | sorry | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to document how-to for hosting requirements in third_party.rst | 18:16 |
| luqas | whatis wrong with midokura logs? | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, typing fast as I can :) | 18:16 |
| anteaya | luqas: in firefox you are forced to download them | 18:16 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: you are doing great | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | #topic time to report test results | 18:16 |
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| luqas | oh, I see | 18:16 |
| luqas | I didn't know | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ThirdPartyTimeLimits | 18:17 |
| anteaya | luqas: hence the need for this meeting :D | 18:17 |
| luqas | what do I need to be browsable in firefox? | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | ok, new etherpad for time limits discussion, this is a general requirement | 18:17 |
| luqas | anteaya: yep :) | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | this etherpad was to be sweston's email to the ml about how long it takes for tests to report | 18:17 |
| anteaya | sweston is on a plane right now | 18:18 |
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| lyxus | I have put a comment for that too on the etherpad :) | 18:18 |
| anteaya | this is an important point we should discuss, can anyone take this and put together an email for the ml | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | well we can roll that into a patch discussion for third_party.rst | 18:18 |
| anteaya | we need to get some consensus around length of time to wait for results | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | but it should be discussed on ml | 18:18 |
| anteaya | yes let's hash it out on the ml first | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | we may need by-project times too | 18:19 |
| anteaya | too hard | 18:19 |
| anteaya | if a ci has mulitple projects it is tracking | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | because one may need faster results than another | 18:19 |
| anteaya | and how to we enforce? | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | thats the question | 18:19 |
| anteaya | same as log retention = 1 month | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | else, slow = missed | 18:19 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: i think 12 hours is fair (e.g. we only have 3 nodes that often get backed up during crunch times) | 18:19 |
| anteaya | we should aim to find one timeframe | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | kevinbenton: I look forward to hearing responses to that on the ml | 18:20 |
| lyxus | kevinbenton, +1 | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | previous discussions have been 4 hours | 18:20 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: would you be willing to start the ml thread? | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | in nova at least | 18:20 |
| fawadkhaliq | kevinbenton: +1 | 18:20 |
| anteaya | we need both ci admins and devs to weigh in | 18:20 |
| krtaylor | absolutely | 18:20 |
| anteaya | can someone start this discussion on the ml? | 18:20 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: sure. what tag should i put in the subject? just [openstack-dev]? | 18:21 |
| anteaya | if you post to the -dev ml don't use that tag | 18:21 |
| anteaya | it is the default | 18:21 |
| anteaya | use [3rd party] | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | kevinbenton, thanks, I'll jump in on that one too | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | then the post will have both tags | 18:21 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: ok | 18:21 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, if you dont mind, I'd rather keep it consisstent with the meeting | 18:22 |
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| anteaya | #action kevinbenton to start ml discussion on -dev regard time to post test results | 18:22 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: good point | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | third-party | 18:22 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | that is one of my peeves, but it is a nit | 18:22 |
| anteaya | can you use tag [third-party] kevinbenton? | 18:22 |
| anteaya | it is a good nit | 18:22 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: sure | 18:22 |
| anteaya | great | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | ok that was the discussion for last weeks items, lets move on | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:23 |
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| anteaya | I have nothing here | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | anyone have any ? | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | I'll take that as a no | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | next | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program Items | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | So, there are the existing patches for third_party.rst | 18:25 |
| anteaya | please do review them | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | and please use the topic third-party for your patches | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | so we can all track them easily | 18:25 |
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| krtaylor | ++ | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101013/ | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | and | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101227/ | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | oh there are 5 | 18:26 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:26 |
| anteaya | is probably easier | 18:26 |
| krtaylor | yes, good point | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | any discussion on these for today? | 18:27 |
| anteaya | let's move on, we can discuss in review | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | I'd rather get to new business | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | yep. next | 18:28 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | anything to communicate here? | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | any upcoming deadlines? | 18:29 |
| anteaya | anyone from cinder here? | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | I was talking to someone who felt there was no third party requirement from cinder | 18:29 |
| asselin | hi, i'm from cinder | 18:29 |
| anteaya | and I believe there is | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | hi asselin | 18:29 |
| anteaya | asselin: hi there | 18:29 |
| anteaya | glad you are here | 18:30 |
| anteaya | was hoping a cinder core was here | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | well, there is a requirement, the problem is what and when :) | 18:30 |
| anteaya | asselin: what do you understand about third party deadlines for cinder | 18:30 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: true | 18:30 |
| asselin | we're supposed to have it setup by J2 | 18:30 |
| anteaya | okay great | 18:30 |
| asselin | for all icehouse drivers | 18:30 |
| anteaya | great | 18:30 |
| asselin | i.e. new drivers are optional | 18:31 |
| anteaya | interesting | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | I will need to follow up with jgriffith and ensure I understand what that means | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | because I don't right now | 18:31 |
| anteaya | but thanks for sharing your understanding asselin | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | yes, and what will be tested | 18:31 |
| anteaya | mestery: what is current for neutron? | 18:31 |
| asselin | that means is that jgriffith did not want to add additional load to new vendors submitting drivers in Juno. | 18:32 |
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| mestery | anteaya: The requirement here is that all in-tree drivers need to have functioning CI up and running 2 weeks prior to Juno-2. | 18:32 |
| * mestery can dig the email up he sent to the list a month ago. | 18:32 | |
| anteaya | mestery: and how far away is 2 weeks prior to juno | 18:32 |
| asselin | so he's giving them more time to setup 3rd party ci | 18:32 |
| anteaya | and think that is next week | 18:32 |
| mestery | anteaya: July 10 I think. | 18:32 |
| mestery | anteaya: Correct. | 18:33 |
| anteaya | asselin: okay, would be good to get the timeframes so we can communicate them | 18:33 |
| anteaya | mestery: okay and what systems need to show something different than they are doing today by July 10th? | 18:33 |
| asselin | mestery, I didn't know it was 2 weeks before J2. we should have jgriffith clarify | 18:33 |
| anteaya | asselin: mestery is neutron | 18:33 |
| anteaya | asselin: we haev switched programs | 18:33 |
| mestery | asselin: Yes, we're on neutron now. :) | 18:34 |
| asselin | anteaya, ok, great, so cinder's still J2 :) | 18:34 |
| mestery | anteaya: I am just going back through the emails and looking at data now, I should reply to my thread with the timelines post this meeting. | 18:34 |
| anteaya | asselin: I'm not setting policy for cinder, I'm asking what cinder's policy is so I know | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | I can ping jungleboyj too | 18:34 |
| anteaya | mestery: yes please | 18:34 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Will do. | 18:35 |
| anteaya | mestery: if they only have a week to demonstrate compliance, they should know it | 18:35 |
| anteaya | mestery: thanks | 18:35 |
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| asselin | I can look it up in the cinder meeting minutes | 18:35 |
| mestery | anteaya: Yes, good point. :) | 18:35 |
| anteaya | asselin: let's try for clarity for next week | 18:35 |
| anteaya | anyone here from nova? | 18:35 |
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| krtaylor | #action communicate cinder and neutron timeline | 18:35 |
| anteaya | thanks krtaylor | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | I have not heard anything new for nova, there was some discussion about raising the bar at summit | 18:35 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Actually, per my original email, I just indicated Juno-2, not 2 weeks prior, so I guess people have 3 weeks left :) | 18:35 |
| mestery | anteaya: I need to stick to what I emailed out. | 18:36 |
| anteaya | let's check in with nova and see what current expectations are, krtaylor | 18:36 |
| mestery | anteaya: If people do not comply, we will remove drivers in Juno-3. | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | but I have not heard anything else about it | 18:36 |
| anteaya | mestery: yes, don't change the rules during the game | 18:36 |
| mestery | anteaya: ++ | 18:36 |
| anteaya | mestery: let's still give those folks not in compliance that information | 18:36 |
| anteaya | mestery: so they know their status | 18:36 |
| mestery | anteaya: Yes, I will reply to the thread and indicate timeframes, etc. | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, I'll make sure we have current state for next week | 18:37 |
| anteaya | mestery: great, thank you | 18:37 |
| mestery | anteaya: np | 18:37 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: awesome thanks | 18:37 |
| anteaya | I've been lax in this topic and that is my fault | 18:37 |
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| asselin | anteaya, 16:24:41 <jgriffith> navneet1: J2 was our goal. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-25-16.00.log.html | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | we need to be more assertive here, and get information accurate and spread around | 18:37 |
| anteaya | asselin: thanks for finding that | 18:37 |
| asselin | 16:24:44 <jgriffith> July 27 | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | ok, any other deadlines to talk about? | 18:38 |
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| krtaylor | next item then | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:39 |
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| krtaylor | mestery, lukego - discussion on simple ci setup? | 18:39 |
| lukego | I have found running a 3rd party CI surprisingly hard in practice. This has been due to diverse operational issues, and never actually related to the code under test. I'm going to try setting up a really minimalist CI and see if that works better. The idea and draft code (written over the past hours) is here: https://github.com/SnabbCo/shellci. I plan to use this for a new mech driver that I am offering for Juno. I welcome comment | 18:39 |
| lukego | and ideas :). | 18:39 |
| lukego | The initial inspiration is the script that I got from the OpenDaylight developers which is short and effective. I hope the new script will work for my driver and then be useful at least as a reference to others too. | 18:39 |
| lukego | See also mailing list thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038951.html | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | mestery: your thoughts? | 18:40 |
| * mestery reads lukego's comments here. | 18:40 | |
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| asselin | lukego, if that works for you, please share as I'm also interested in looking at it. | 18:41 |
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| krtaylor | lukego, I share your pain, we have looked at ways to simplify too | 18:41 |
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| mestery | anteaya: In general, I like this idea. As long as what we're mostly concerned about is the result, this looks slick! | 18:41 |
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| mestery | lukego: Do you accept pull requests? ;) | 18:41 |
| lukego | yep. but code budget is strictly 100 lines :) | 18:41 |
| anteaya | mestery: are we going to see actual test results this time? | 18:41 |
| mestery | anteaya: I think that's lukego's goal indeed. | 18:42 |
| krtaylor | I think the actual difficulty of 3rd party actually surprised a lot of people | 18:42 |
| anteaya | mestery: you are the ptl and you are the one with untested code in master | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | mestery: so it is your decision | 18:42 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Got it. | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: yes | 18:42 |
| mestery | anteaya: I'd like to see what comes of this and get some infra input as well. | 18:42 |
| lukego | the goal is definitely to fulfil the 3rd party requirements as written in the wiki | 18:43 |
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| anteaya | mestery: do add an item to the infra agenda | 18:43 |
| anteaya | mestery: so that you don't get lost in the crowd | 18:43 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Good idea, will do that once lukego has this fleshed out a bit more. | 18:43 |
| kevinbenton | lukego: does this handle cases where the system stalls during package retrieval or code checkout? | 18:43 |
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| anteaya | the third party requirements aren't written in the wiki, they are written here: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:43 |
| anteaya | and that document has a number of patches to it, as linked above | 18:44 |
| * krtaylor is lost in reading about shellci and must come back to meeting | 18:44 | |
| lukego | kevinbenton: not yet, but yes it’s a requirement to differentiate those “CI is stuck” issues from actual test failures, to a reasonable extent. (don’t vote -1 unless Tempest say something is wrong.) | 18:44 |
| * mestery was busy posting review comments on those patches during this meeting. | 18:44 | |
| anteaya | mestery: thank you | 18:44 |
| mestery | anteaya: np | 18:44 |
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| kevinbenton | lukego: yes, the other case to watch for that might be caused by the patch is neutron fails to start in devstack | 18:45 |
| lukego | kevinbenton: please post these ideas to the ML thread! I have had about 4 different weird operational issues and I would love to know what else people have seen — as geneal themes for which parts of the script can go wrong and how to avoid misvotings that could screw up workflows | 18:46 |
| * krtaylor will have to look into log publishing and storage | 18:46 | |
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| lyxus | kevinbenton, I actually did this test too. I fix the package retrieval issue by mirroring locally the server ubuntu/pypi | 18:46 |
| lyxus | *fixed | 18:47 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: I'd like to ensure we have some time for stackatlytics discussion too today, though it isn't on the agenda | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, agreed, this topic is rather open-ended | 18:47 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: i'm ready :) | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | lukego, thanks for sharing this, I will read more about it | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | ok, lets move on then | 18:48 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | so actually I want to talk about stackalytics | 18:48 |
| anteaya | and thanks ilyashakhat__ for being here | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: me too | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | ilyashakhat__, yes, thanks | 18:48 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: about http://stackalytics.com/report/ci/neutron/7 | 18:48 |
| anteaya | I'd like to being by saying thank you for making that change to diverlog | 18:49 |
| anteaya | that you agreed to do, I appreciate that | 18:49 |
| anteaya | and at some point I would like to get back to discussing driverlog, since I think there are more ways to improve that page | 18:49 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | it was easy change | 18:49 |
| anteaya | but I think the topic at hand is what Sukhdev has posted | 18:49 |
| anteaya | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/ci/neutron/7 | 18:50 |
| anteaya | so let's start here | 18:50 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: it was nice of you to make that change, thank you | 18:50 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yes, Sukhdev already found bug with this report (with missing CI) | 18:50 |
| anteaya | good | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | so my concern with this is the concern I mentioned on the ml | 18:50 |
| krtaylor | Sukhdev, there was ml discussion on this, on what was being asked, it is slightly different than this | 18:51 |
| anteaya | we don't have a way of assessing fitness of a given ci system | 18:51 |
| krtaylor | yes | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | 100% success to me indicates a broken system | 18:51 |
| anteaya | since there are failures which it is missing | 18:51 |
| krtaylor | it was mentioned that there needs to be a list of who is expected to post and if they actually did | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | right | 18:51 |
| ilyashakhat__ | 100% for merged patches is ok, but for all looks suspicious | 18:51 |
| anteaya | and that is a different conversation, krtaylor | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: that conversation is how devs need to access information to decide patch flow | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, but that is the one Sukhdev posted the link for | 18:52 |
| Sukhdev | krtaylor: not sure which ML discussion you referrering to - I saw ML discussion with ilyashakhat__ and anteaya | 18:52 |
| kevinbenton | ilyashakhat__: how is success determined? | 18:52 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: right | 18:52 |
| kevinbenton | right now BSN doesn’t downvote on failure | 18:52 |
| anteaya | we don't have a criteria for success | 18:52 |
| krtaylor | well, that is the question we must document | 18:53 |
| ilyashakhat__ | 'success' = ci voted +1 or left comment with positive result | 18:53 |
| Sukhdev | ilyashakhat__: Even Arista does not vote -1 on failures | 18:53 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: but that is not success | 18:53 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | for that cases it is possible to extract result from comments | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | a -1 could be a success too | 18:53 |
| anteaya | since that gives false results | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | we need to determine accuracy of a system | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | and we don't have a way for doing that in the community | 18:54 |
| ilyashakhat__ | krtaylor: what do you mean "-1 is success"? | 18:54 |
| kevinbenton | ilyashakhat__: successfully identified a broken patch | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | ilyashakhat__, if a patch is bad | 18:54 |
| anteaya | and until we do, every time someone makes up a definition, it disrupts our ability to have that conversation | 18:54 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | krtaylor: got it :) | 18:54 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: can you see that? | 18:54 |
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| fawadkhaliq | means CI which only comment on failure will be counted as a success | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | then ci did what it was supposed to do | 18:54 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: can you see that? | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | no, we need to separate voting and testing | 18:55 |
| lukego | It’s scary to enable -1 voting because the effect of casting a -1 is a bit unpredictable. (does it cause a hundred people’s work to stall by screwing up a workflow somewhere? etc) | 18:55 |
| anteaya | can you see that making up definitions prevents us from arriving at our definition? | 18:55 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: I agree | 18:55 |
| lyxus | lukego, FULLY agree | 18:55 |
| ilyashakhat__ | fawadkhaliq: not exactly, it is possible to set pattern for positive result and for negative, however the CI must report about success results too | 18:55 |
| lukego | especially when the majority of failures are caused by “other environmental issues” and should not be -1’s | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: can you see that making up definitions prevents us from arriving at our definition? | 18:56 |
| lukego | hard to keep a CI running reliably even before you worry about false negatives. | 18:56 |
| lyxus | lukego, that's why i do manual -1 | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | testing a patchset and publishing a result, without CI system failure is a successful run | 18:56 |
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| krtaylor | regardless of vote | 18:56 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: can you anwser my question, please | 18:57 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: sorry, what was the question? | 18:57 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: can you see that making up definitions prevents us from arriving at our definition? | 18:57 |
| lukego | lyxus: How do you get notified that there is a failure to review, and how do you post the -1 ? | 18:57 |
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| fawadkhaliq | ilyashakhat__: let's talk about this offline. I see some CIs failed with comments and they are counted as a success. | 18:58 |
| anteaya | fawadkhaliq: let's talk about this ONLINE | 18:58 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: hmmm, don't quite understand such difficult question | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: what do you not understand | 18:58 |
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| fawadkhaliq | anteaya: sure, even better :) | 18:58 |
| ilyashakhat__ | what "definition" you mean | 18:58 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: I am asking if you are willing to stop making up stackalytic definitions of success | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | for third party ci systems | 18:59 |
| anteaya | and allow the openstack community to arrive at those defintions | 18:59 |
| lyxus | lukego, I use Jenkins; I do a test if neutron is up , if it's not I dod a ' exit 1' which make the jenkins build fail. In jenkins, i have post build which is to send me an email when it fails | 18:59 |
| anteaya | are you willing to do that | 18:59 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: plese respond before we are out of time | 18:59 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: What if we had a status as - CI operational or not operational | 18:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | ilyashakhat__: anteaya: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102101/ is an example | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | 1 minute warning :) | 19:00 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: please respond before we are out of time | 19:00 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: please give an example | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | I've given you many on the ml | 19:00 |
| anteaya | and we are out of time | 19:00 |
| fawadkhaliq | PLUMgrid CI failed and http://stackalytics.com/report/ci/neutron/7 reports 100% success | 19:00 |
| anteaya | fine | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | yes, time to wrap this up | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | I will continue to chase you down on teh ml | 19:00 |
| ilyashakhat__ | fawadkhaliq: I'll look at it | 19:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | ilyashakhat__: thanks a lot | 19:01 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone | 19:01 |
| luqas | thanks | 19:01 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 30 19:01:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-30-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-30-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-30-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| devananda | hi! anyone around for the Ironic meeting? | 19:01 |
| adam_g` | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:01 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | \o | 19:01 |
| rloo | me (but I could leave if it is cancelled) | 19:01 |
| mrda | \o | 19:01 |
| romcheg | \o | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| dwalleck | \o | 19:02 |
| jroll | \o | 19:02 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | me (half afk) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 30 19:02:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:02 |
| aweeks | \o | 19:02 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:02 |
| devananda | Hi all! As usual, the agenda can be found here: | 19:02 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:02 |
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| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:02 |
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| devananda | I hope at this point everyone knows about the mid cycle in Portland (Beaverton) | 19:03 |
| devananda | and has seen my email(s) to the list, signed up on EventBrite if you're coming, and so on | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | note there is a nova and ironic signup! <- just fyi | 19:03 |
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| linggao | \o | 19:04 |
| * romcheg sets a reminder to ask for invitation | 19:04 | |
| devananda | right - there are two events (nova and ironic) whic hare co-located but separate events | 19:04 |
| devananda | please sign up for the one that you'll be primarily attending | 19:04 |
| devananda | no need to sign up for both | 19:04 |
| devananda | mikal and I are coordinating with the site regarding headcount | 19:04 |
| devananda | in other news, the ironic driver spec for Nova was approved last week | 19:05 |
| devananda | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/add-ironic-driver.rst | 19:05 |
| adam_g` | \o/ | 19:05 |
| devananda | so I have begun proposing our driver code to Nova | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | Awesome | 19:05 |
| mrda | \o/ | 19:05 |
| JoshNang | woo! | 19:05 |
| devananda | which means -- please do not make any changes to it unless absolutely necessary (or you're working with me) | 19:05 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:05 |
| adam_g` | devananda, review # for the nova merge? | 19:06 |
| devananda | #notice please do not propose or approve changes to nova code in the ironic tree, unless coordinating with devananda | 19:06 |
| romcheg | \o/ | 19:06 |
| comstud | yay | 19:06 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103164/ | 19:06 |
| adam_g` | devananda, FYI https://review.openstack.org/103227 is a driver patch that fixes a pretty critical issue with rebuild, ill ping you about it later | 19:06 |
| devananda | adam_g`: that's the starting point | 19:06 |
| devananda | there are 3 patches so far | 19:06 |
| devananda | adam_g`: ack, thanks | 19:06 |
| mrda | devananda: just FYI I'm working on caching auth credentials, will catch you after the meeting about it. | 19:07 |
| devananda | mrda: awesome. | 19:07 |
| wanyen | Deva, UEFI boot needs changes in Nova virt driver | 19:07 |
| devananda | there's also a patch from lucasagomes to add doc strings and fix a few minor issues | 19:07 |
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| devananda | wanyen: ack. let's circle back to that in a minute. I will also want to talk about spec reviews | 19:08 |
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| devananda | any questions regarding the mid cycle or the nova driver, before we move on to release cycle progress? | 19:08 |
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| devananda | ok | 19:09 |
| devananda | #topic release cycle status | 19:09 |
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| devananda | so, we're about half way through Juno at this point | 19:09 |
| devananda | (omg, right?!) | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:10 |
| * romcheg feels like a student just before their exams | 19:10 | |
| devananda | last friday, we had a discussion about our spec review list, which is quite long | 19:10 |
| devananda | and about the goals we set out at the summit | 19:10 |
| devananda | and I said I would follow up with an email -- I've got it drafted | 19:11 |
| devananda | but want to give folks a chance to review before I send it | 19:11 |
| devananda | there are two points to it | 19:11 |
| devananda | first - the list of priorities we had from the summit -- I've cleaned it up and added color | 19:11 |
| devananda | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo | 19:11 |
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| devananda | second - I've adapted Nova's timeline to fit our team a bit, and drafted it here | 19:12 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/3sxKH2po1o | 19:12 |
| devananda | and want to invite feedback on that timeline before we commit to it | 19:12 |
| comstud | my 'clean up rpc object code' is probably more yellow than green | 19:13 |
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| devananda | comstud: ack :( | 19:13 |
| comstud | i mean, it's true..a lot of progress has been made, but there's a lot more to do I think | 19:13 |
| matty_dubs | devananda: Are you gone for 2 weeks, or just two Thursdays? | 19:13 |
| comstud | I want to say it's less than 50% done... but I'll get on it here | 19:13 |
| comstud | :-/ | 19:13 |
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| devananda | these are related because I'm suggesting that we focus *this week* on landing specs for everything not crossed off that spreadsheet | 19:14 |
| comstud | Need to finish up a couple things with Node and then do Port | 19:14 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: I'm gone for two weeks | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | comstud, probably chassis and port might be mostly copy&paste from nodes? | 19:14 |
| comstud | well | 19:14 |
| comstud | it's not really copy/paste work | 19:15 |
| comstud | but it's also not very difficult | 19:15 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: unless you fly to Nevada, I'll be unreachable from about 8/19 until 9/2 | 19:15 |
| comstud | nor will it take much time | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | I see, ack | 19:15 |
| comstud | technically there's a bug associated with this, I think | 19:15 |
| rloo | devananda: for the timeline, what are the numbers in parentheses? | 19:15 |
| comstud | vs a spec | 19:15 |
| comstud | :) | 19:16 |
| devananda | rloo: weeks until feature freeze | 19:16 |
| devananda | comstud: so the spreasheet is just goals - some have specs or bugs associated | 19:16 |
| matty_dubs | What is the prognosis for Juno graduation looking like? | 19:16 |
| rloo | devananda: thx. | 19:16 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: that's largely pinned on the nova driver at this point | 19:17 |
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| devananda | matty_dubs: we're ahead of the curve for nearly everythign that the TC considers for graduation, though we do need to work on horizon and ceilometer integration | 19:17 |
| matty_dubs | If that is merged, do we think the other requirements (I see four yellows) are likely to go through too? | 19:17 |
| matty_dubs | Ah, that's good news | 19:17 |
| JayF | devananda: wasn't there a determination at the summit that we did not need any ceilometer integration? | 19:17 |
| devananda | JayF: the determiniation was taht Ironic needs to support emitting events in a pluggable way | 19:18 |
| mrda | So I think horizon could be difficult, since the propsed solution uses Tuskar, and that's not out of incubation yet either. | 19:18 |
| devananda | JayF: which fits with the TC req's around projects | 19:18 |
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| devananda | it wasn't decided whether ceilometer wants (all or some or none) of those | 19:18 |
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| JayF | devananda: so would aweeks' statsd integration spec need to instead work with whatever pluggable method will be implemented for ceilometer? | 19:18 |
| devananda | mrda: i need to follow up with jcoufal on that. I've communicated our req that it be usable without tuskar to him | 19:19 |
| mrda | ok | 19:19 |
| devananda | JayF: instead of requiring statsd, itshould be pluggable so that it could use statsd or ceilometer or ... | 19:19 |
| devananda | JayF: however. we may be talking about different things | 19:19 |
| devananda | JayF: let's talk more on that later | 19:20 |
| wanyen | Deva and JayF : there is an ceilometer notification desgin spec for ironic hw sensors | 19:20 |
| aweeks | devananda: JayF I'm still working on finding a reasonable API that covers the metrics models for ceilometer and statsd at the same time | 19:20 |
| devananda | any questions/concerns on the timeline? | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, yeah the ceilometer spec is already merged | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | just under a month for spec freeze | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | (in ceilometer I mean) | 19:21 |
| devananda | main points to call out on the timeline: | 19:21 |
| devananda | july 24 - no new specs after this point | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: this spce? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102435/ | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | spec even | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, no specs for juno/* | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | or k/* would be allowed? | 19:22 |
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| devananda | aug 14 - we all do one big push to land any remaining specs and set direction for the last ~3 weeks of Juno dev | 19:23 |
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| devananda | Sep 4 - feature freeze. focus on integration and documentation and bug fixes | 19:24 |
| boris-42 | hi all* | 19:24 |
| * mrda hopes specs will be all sorted out before then | 19:24 | |
| devananda | oh, and this wendesday - spec review day :) | 19:24 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: so Nova has been debating whether to block or allow k/* proposals during that window | 19:24 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: the question being, even if the team isn't reviewing them, shoudl we encourage developers to spend their time writing specs or workign on bugs/integration/docs/etc | 19:25 |
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| jroll | IMO, just need to make it very clear that specs probably will not be reviewed | 19:25 |
| jroll | no sense in blocking work | 19:25 |
| devananda | I think clearly communicating that between Sep 4 and Sep 25 we aren't going to look at the specs repo at all will be enough | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right... Yeah lets see the output of that discussion | 19:26 |
| devananda | going to give a few more minuets for questions/comments before moving on ... | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: I tend to agree with you. but under the same token I think thinks can go stale just sitting wating for review | 19:27 |
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| devananda | ok, thanks all. let's move on | 19:28 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: code, sure. specs, I doubt it | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | so ++ to lucasagomes comment of waiting | 19:28 |
| rloo | i don't understand the timeline after k is open for spec proposals but i'll ask in Sept. | 19:28 |
| wanyen | deva: for uefi and node property discovery, we have generic and iLO specs. I hope reviewers can review both specs. | 19:28 |
| devananda | #topic sub team status reports | 19:28 |
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| devananda | adam_g: hi! any news on tempest testing last week? | 19:29 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: hi! any news on tripleo testing last week? | 19:29 |
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| adam_g | nothing major, got a bunch of patches up for review and have been filing related bugs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bugs?field.tag=ironic-tempest | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | the undercloud-ironic job is now running, I have nnot check the fail / success rate yet | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | but on reviews I have seen it seems to be passing | 19:30 |
| mrda | thanks for that link adam_g, I thik I'm tickling a neutron-tempest bug right now | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | so we'll prob make a move to make it voting soon | 19:30 |
| adam_g | mrda, specific to ironic, or ? | 19:30 |
| matty_dubs | win 9 | 19:30 |
| devananda | adam_g: might you have time to add the tripleo-undercloud-ironic job to http://no-carrier.net/~adam/openstack/ironic_gate_status.html | 19:31 |
| adam_g | devananda, sure | 19:31 |
| devananda | adam_g: or set up a second page for that job? | 19:31 |
| devananda | thanks! | 19:31 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that'll help you track it's succes ^ | 19:31 |
| adam_g | devananda, http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html is what i use to track those | 19:31 |
| devananda | adam_g: so we swapped ironic-seed-precise for ironic-undercloud-precsie last week | 19:32 |
| mrda | adam_g: well, my patch isn't passing dsvm-virtual-ironic and its unrelated. romcheg thinks it might be neutron related. I'll ping you after | 19:32 |
| devananda | the former shouldn't be runing any longer, at least in ironic's pipe | 19:32 |
| adam_g | dendrobates, okay, ill add the tripleo jobs to the ironic page regardless | 19:32 |
| adam_g | er devananda ^ | 19:32 |
| Shrews | adam_g: devananda: it has been suggested that our scenario tests should really just be using the existing compute tests. so we may need to revisit our tempest testing strategy | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | adam_g: devananda Thank you | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | oh we are failing now | 19:33 |
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| devananda | Shrews, adam_g: it seems to me like a meeting with the QA team might be really helpful | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html | 19:34 |
| adam_g | Shrews, theres lots of issues with doing that, but im hoping that fixing the bugs ive been filing will let us at least run all the tests from *-tempest-dsvm-ironic against ironic+nova | 19:34 |
| devananda | to sort out the differences we've run into, both in terms of ironic's uniqueness and each team's understanding/expectation of tests | 19:34 |
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| adam_g | devananda, +1 there still seems to be confusion on both sides | 19:34 |
| Shrews | devananda: just relaying what sdague just suggested, but yes, a meeting may be helpful | 19:34 |
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| devananda | would either of you like to organize it? :-) | 19:35 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: ironic py26/py27/check-tempest-dsvm-virtual-ironic are failing, seemingly latest glance client release | 19:35 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: py26/py27 jobs are all failing now | 19:35 |
| jroll | (probably tripleo too) | 19:35 |
| adam_g | devananda, sure | 19:35 |
| devananda | jroll: huh? | 19:35 |
| Shrews | due to what jroll just said | 19:35 |
| jroll | devananda: e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/44/86744/20/check/gate-ironic-python26/27cd699/console.html | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | yes all look read | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | red even | 19:35 |
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| devananda | wow, that's great | 19:35 |
| jroll | devananda: Shrews just caught this in the last hour | 19:35 |
| jroll | yep! | 19:35 |
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| lucasagomes | :( | 19:35 |
| devananda | I'll follow up on our gate status after the meeting | 19:36 |
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| devananda | #action adam_g to arrange meeting between adam, shrews, devananda and QA team | 19:36 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 19:36 |
| GheRivero | I can take a look to the glance client wrapper (was my code, so I know it) | 19:37 |
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| devananda | I think dtantsur is on PTO, so probably no updateon bugs this week | 19:37 |
| devananda | or on fedora support | 19:37 |
| Shrews | GheRivero: thanks! | 19:37 |
| devananda | unless anyone else has news on those | 19:37 |
| devananda | jroll: hi! what's the status of IPA driver? ready for the world to play with it yet? :) | 19:37 |
| jroll | hey :) getting there | 19:38 |
| jroll | still working a bit on splitting up the patches | 19:38 |
| jroll | and at the same time have been working on getting devstack up and running | 19:38 |
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| jroll | so I can add IPA support to devstack, and eventually tempest | 19:38 |
| devananda | awesome | 19:39 |
| jroll | no major updates this week, though | 19:39 |
| devananda | k, thanks | 19:39 |
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| devananda | GheRivero: hi! any updates on oslo? | 19:40 |
| GheRivero | no news | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | no noews os good news | 19:40 |
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| * NobodyCam cannot type this morning | 19:41 | |
| devananda | GheRivero: i'm eagerly awaiting the oslo.db fixes, fwiw | 19:41 |
| * devananda would like to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42159/ once it is fixed upstream | 19:41 | |
| GheRivero | devananda: me too. I'll take a look to them after the glance issues | 19:41 |
| devananda | romcheg: hi! any updates on the nova db -> ironic db migration tool? | 19:41 |
| romcheg | Hi everyone again ! | 19:42 |
| romcheg | Yes, there are some updates | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | wow 42159 we on 100000+ now | 19:42 |
| romcheg | So I published a flavor update tool in the form it's expected to be released | 19:42 |
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| romcheg | I made a few tweaks on data migration tool and published them too | 19:42 |
| romcheg | I faced some problems, one of them was that we cannot tell the architecture of a specific node exactly | 19:43 |
| devananda | romcheg: links? | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | romcheg: is there a list of all the migration patches? | 19:43 |
| romcheg | devananda: they are in the whiteboard | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:44 |
| devananda | romcheg: re: arch, I think we can assume from the conf setting of the nova compute host it was assigned to | 19:44 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101920/ | 19:44 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102563/ | 19:44 |
| romcheg | devananda: We cannot assume that because that option tells us allowed architectures | 19:44 |
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| romcheg | I discussed it with NobodyCam and we agreed that just adding a command line option for that should be better | 19:45 |
| romcheg | A cloud administrator knows that better than we can guess | 19:45 |
| devananda | romcheg: ack | 19:45 |
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| romcheg | devananda: Does that approach seem to work for you? | 19:46 |
| devananda | romcheg: seems fine so far. I'll review those ^ soon | 19:46 |
| devananda | romcheg: any concerns about the migration tool at this point? | 19:46 |
| devananda | *other | 19:46 |
| romcheg | devananda: There is one concern I was about to ask | 19:47 |
| romcheg | We need to make Ironic to take ownership on the nodes | 19:47 |
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| romcheg | So after the data was migrated we do not need to bind nodes to conductors and generate PXE stuff from the migration script | 19:48 |
| romcheg | It's not hard to do but doesn't seem to be right | 19:48 |
| romcheg | And also the spec mentiones taking ownership on nodes by Ironic conductors | 19:49 |
| devananda | romcheg: indeed. I was chatting a bit with lifeless las week about it -- the conductor take over work needs t obe finished | 19:49 |
| romcheg | I will take a look at grenade testing this week | 19:49 |
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| devananda | that's on the spreadsheet, fwiw, like 17 | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: we may wan to to do move the images from the nova-bm tftp dir to ironics | 19:49 |
| devananda | NobodyCam, romcheg: let's circle back on that after the meeting | 19:50 |
| romcheg | ok | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | ack | 19:50 |
| romcheg | let's not waste time now | 19:50 |
| devananda | #topic specs for all-object-changes | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh this is what I added? | 19:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: hi! I see you and boris-42 want to talk about osprofiler -- can you summarize briefly? | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | dwalleck yep | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda yep | 19:51 |
| devananda | we have 9 minutes left and I'd like a little time for open discussion too :) | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | boris-42: go.. | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda it will be enough | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | dwalleck I don't want to write for this spec | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | dwalleck sorry* | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda I don't want to write for this spec | 19:51 |
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| boris-42 | dwalleck cause I need to make 2 patches (one in project, one in client) | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda ^ | 19:52 |
| boris-42 | devananda to enable profiler | 19:52 |
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| boris-42 | devananda they are really simple | 19:52 |
| * dwalleck needs to change his nick :) | 19:52 | |
| boris-42 | dwalleck yep | 19:52 |
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| boris-42 | devananda in python we are adding just 2 special Headers | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | i was lookig to discuss how we would handle all project changes | 19:52 |
| jroll | boris-42: isn't writing the ironic spec just a matter of `cp` and `sed`? | 19:52 |
| boris-42 | dwalleck in project we are adding wsgi middlewaer | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | will we require a spec | 19:53 |
| boris-42 | jroll it is not | 19:53 |
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| boris-42 | jroll you need to make this in 100500 projects | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | or is there a global spec we can ref for blueprints | 19:53 |
| boris-42 | jroll get everywhere approves | 19:53 |
| boris-42 | jroll and formats are a bit different in different projects | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | I still feel we need blueprints for changes like this | 19:53 |
| jroll | sounds like an infra/tc question | 19:53 |
| boris-42 | jroll so it's useless spending of my time | 19:53 |
| jroll | I'd still like to see a spec for this, personally | 19:53 |
| jroll | but I totally understand that | 19:53 |
| boris-42 | jroll and I am not secretary to do that crap | 19:54 |
| devananda | boris-42: so rather than talka bout profiler itself (which I'd be happy to do, but not right now) it sounds like the question is | 19:54 |
| boris-42 | =) | 19:54 |
| devananda | boris-42: can you propose small changes which are being accepted across many openstack projects without a spec? | 19:54 |
| boris-42 | devananda yep | 19:54 |
| boris-42 | devananda and about profiler | 19:54 |
| devananda | boris-42: my answer, at least for now, is: it depends :) | 19:54 |
| devananda | boris-42: you're welcome to propose the code and find out :) | 19:54 |
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| boris-42 | devananda so about profiler | 19:54 |
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| boris-42 | devananda it doesn't add overhead | 19:55 |
| boris-42 | devananda even if it is turned on | 19:55 |
| devananda | boris-42: let's not talk about the specifics of profiler right now | 19:55 |
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| boris-42 | devananda lol=) | 19:55 |
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| NobodyCam | lets loop back to the details of the change | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:55 |
| boris-42 | NobodyCam I mean | 19:55 |
| boris-42 | it's just 1 header | 19:55 |
| devananda | #topic Open Discussion | 19:55 |
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| boris-42 | 2 actually* | 19:55 |
| boris-42 | and 1 wsgi middleware | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | my question was more ... how will we handle this type of change request | 19:55 |
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| boris-42 | NobodyCam heh just don't use specs | 19:56 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I think it depends on the change | 19:56 |
| devananda | boris-42: in this case, if it's that simple, please propose the code and let's discuss there | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | devananda going to make osprofiler v 0.2.0 | 19:56 |
| devananda | boris-42: if other projects are adopting the change, I am likely to follow suit with Ironic | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | devananda for first | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | devananda cause there is some conflict in oslo.messaging | 19:56 |
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| boris-42 | devananda they don't want one peace of code | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | piece* | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | devananda so I am going to move it to osprofiler | 19:57 |
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| boris-42 | devananda and then I'll publish patches | 19:57 |
| boris-42 | devananda probably tomorrow | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | While not on the spec team I have been making a big effort to review spec over hte last several days | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | hope others will join me | 19:58 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: thank you! | 19:58 |
| wanyen | wanyen: who is on spec team? | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | :) (*BLUSH*) | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | one moinunte beep *BEEP* | 19:59 |
| linggao | devananda, why did native IPMI driver is move to K*? | 19:59 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: +1 :) | 19:59 |
| devananda | wanyen: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/352,members | 19:59 |
| linggao | We are activaly setting up the CI | 19:59 |
| wanyen | deva: thnaks! | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | thats time | 20:00 |
| mrda | thanks! | 20:00 |
| devananda | linggao: i think that line meant "make it the default" -- I'll edit the sheet | 20:00 |
| romcheg | Thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | thank you all | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 30 20:00:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-30-19.02.html | 20:01 |
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| mestery | Hi Neutron developers! | 20:59 |
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| chuckC | o/ | 20:59 |
| banix | hello! | 20:59 |
| emagana | Hello Neutron Commander! | 21:00 |
| enikanorov__ | hi! | 21:00 |
| mestery | emagana: :P | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
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| arosen1 | yoyo | 21:00 |
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| armax | yello | 21:01 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin SumitNaiksatam obondarev rkukura amotoki nati_ueno: ping for meeting | 21:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:01 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:01 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 21:01 |
| kevinbenton | Hi | 21:01 |
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| mestery | OK, lets get started! | 21:02 |
| pcm__ | hi | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 30 21:02:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | The mid-cycle sprint is next week: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 21:02 |
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| mestery | We'll cover this in detail in a few minutes, but wanted to note this here. | 21:02 |
| mestery | Any other announcements the team should be aware of? | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #topic Mid-Cycle Sprint | 21:03 |
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| mestery | I wanted to ensure we spent some time on this early in this meeting. | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lOiqsLmizl Sprint Work Items | 21:03 |
| mestery | I've started that etherpad to collect work items for next week. | 21:04 |
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| mestery | I'm hoping those who arrive in beautiful Minnesota next week can all hit the ground running Wednesday morning. | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | nice | 21:04 |
| mestery | 3 intense days of closing nova-network gaps. :) | 21:04 |
| mlavalle | mestery: +1 | 21:05 |
| mestery | We'll go from 9AM-6PM or so, though I will likely be in the office a bit before that if people want to come by earlier. | 21:05 |
| sc68cal | tough boss! ;) | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | I hope none of the nationalities there in Minnesota will still be represented at the world cup | 21:05 |
| mestery | One thing to note: If you are planning on attending, please send unicast me your [name, email, company] so I can get guest wifi setup for you | 21:05 |
| mestery | sc68cal: :P | 21:05 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Ha! | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | So go Belgium! | 21:06 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: Mexico is out :-( | 21:06 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: we were kicked out by the Dutch yesterday, so i'll be ok | 21:06 |
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| mestery | Any other logistical questions I can answer from anyone about next week? | 21:06 |
| banix | very unfortunate for Mexico! | 21:06 |
| regXboi | mestery: *how* early will you be in the office? | 21:07 |
| mestery | regXboi: How early is early for you? Now I'm afraid. :) | 21:07 |
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| * markmcclain notes that neither the England or Italy are left for salv-orlando | 21:07 | |
| banix | mestery: I suppose the unicast of info will get us also in the building? | 21:07 |
| regXboi | mestery: I'll probably be able to wander in about 7 am | 21:07 |
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| salv-orlando | I never cared for England. Italy is instead on a sabbatical | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | Italy literally got eaten by Uruguay | 21:08 |
| regXboi | so yes, you should be afraid :) | 21:08 |
| mestery | banix: That's a good point. You can get into the building past 8AM, take the elevator to the 4th floor and checkin with the lobby ambassador | 21:08 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: oh that explains their poor performance | 21:08 |
| mestery | regXboi: I don't know if I'll be there by 7AM. 8AM likely, though :) | 21:08 |
| banix | mestery: thanks | 21:08 |
| regXboi | mestery: no worries ... | 21:08 |
| mestery | regXboi: I'll see what I can do :) | 21:09 |
| pcm__ | I'll likely come in early, I'm an early riser. | 21:09 |
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| mestery | Looking forward to working F2F with folks next week to close nova-network parity gaps! | 21:09 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: the session kicks off at 9am though, right? | 21:09 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Correct. :) | 21:09 |
| * mestery notes Sukhdev is from PDT timezone :P | 21:10 | |
| Sukhdev | mestery: I will be on time :-) | 21:10 |
| banix | Sukhdev: I see you are worried. You should be when 11m PST is early for you :) | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | mestery: same here… am excited to close these gaps | 21:10 |
| Sukhdev | banix: :-) | 21:10 |
| mestery | OK, unless there's anything else, we'll proceed with the rest of hte meeting. | 21:10 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:11 |
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| enikanorov__ | hi | 21:11 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Hi! | 21:11 |
| enikanorov__ | nothing much new this wee. i'm trying to track gate failures | 21:11 |
| mestery | Anything new on that front (gate failures)? | 21:11 |
| enikanorov__ | so far we have a list of rarely hit bugs related to lock wait timeouts | 21:11 |
| enikanorov__ | i hope most of the cases should be fixed by the patch | 21:12 |
| enikanorov__ | let me find the link | 21:12 |
| mestery | Thanks enikanorov__ | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: I think you’seen this already by anyway,… https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103540 | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | that’s ihrachyshka take on the lock wait timeout problem | 21:12 |
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| enikanorov__ | salv-orlando: yes, i've seen this, it seems as an overkill to me... | 21:13 |
| enikanorov__ | Elena Ezhova and me were analyzing different cases of timeouts | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | ok - I just wanted to raise awareness. comments are better placed on gerrit. | 21:13 |
| enikanorov__ | so far we've seen that they are still connected to port deletion | 21:13 |
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| enikanorov__ | so the patch ihrachyshks has on review should fix most of them | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | only thing I want to avoid is to have 10 different solutions for the same problem on gerrit and none on git log ;) | 21:14 |
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| enikanorov__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100934/ | 21:14 |
| enikanorov__ | salv-orlando: sure | 21:14 |
| enikanorov__ | another question i have on this | 21:15 |
| enikanorov__ | is the e-r queries | 21:15 |
| enikanorov__ | i've pushed a few to gerrit, but infra folks are not happy to merge queries that give 2-4 hits per week | 21:15 |
| enikanorov__ | but when summed, those timeouts are several a day | 21:15 |
| enikanorov__ | what would you recommend? | 21:15 |
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| mestery | enikanorov__: I wonder if they don't want to explode e-r queries for bugs with such small hits. | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | so e-r queries are weighted for severity on gate hits | 21:17 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: I would say lets bring this up in #openstack-infra and see what we can do. | 21:17 |
| enikanorov__ | then it would not be convenient to track hits of particular cases | 21:17 |
| enikanorov__ | and those cases are ~10 different ones | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: just like with beetlejuice you can try and say Joe Gordon’s name 3 times | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | he might appear here | 21:17 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: :P | 21:18 |
| enikanorov__ | ok. the problem is that i don't know the policies about e-r queries, so i don't quite understand their reasoning | 21:18 |
| * markmcclain is starting descent…will stay rejoin when on ground | 21:18 | |
| mestery | markmcclain: Enjoy SLC for the short while you're there ;) | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: usually they’re filed to bring down uncategorized failures to 0 | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | so that’s why infra focuses on failures hitting the gate | 21:18 |
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| enikanorov__ | anopther concern was that some failures happening on non-voting neutron-full job | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | but in the past I brought up the argument in openstack-infra or in gerrit and had them merged | 21:19 |
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| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: yeah lock wait timeout failures are more frequent there. | 21:19 |
| mestery | salv-orlando enikanorov__: Is the full job not voting yet? The plan is to turn that on and make it voting soon right? | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: yes - there is an update on that on the mailing list | 21:20 |
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| enikanorov__ | anyway, i'll followup with infra folks on their channel | 21:20 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks! | 21:20 |
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| mestery | Anything else bugs related enikanorov__? | 21:21 |
| enikanorov__ | no | 21:21 |
| mestery | OK, thanks enikanorov__! | 21:21 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:21 |
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| mestery | emagana: Howdy! | 21:21 |
| emagana | mestery: Hi There! | 21:21 |
| emagana | Wiki is updated with the High* priority bugs | 21:22 |
| emagana | (only one open) :-) | 21:22 |
| emagana | I have seen developers adding DocImpact.. and I would like to thank all for that!! | 21:22 |
| emagana | Just a nice extra reminder! If you push a commit with "DocImpact" please, take a look to the Doc Bug and try to fix it as well :P | 21:23 |
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| mestery | emagana: One of the gap areas is around documentation of hte open source options, I'm hopeful you can assist those who want to narrow that gap next week in MN! | 21:23 |
| mestery | emagana: You may need to boot strap some new docs contributors :) | 21:24 |
| emagana | mestery: I will do that! | 21:24 |
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| mestery | emagana: Awesome, thanks! | 21:24 |
| * regXboi marvels at mestery's deft delegation | 21:24 | |
| mestery | regXboi: :P | 21:24 |
| mestery | emagana: Anything else this week? | 21:24 |
| emagana | mestery: good to know, I will prepare some overview of the Docs for newers! | 21:24 |
| mestery | emagana: That would be even better! /cc regXboi | 21:24 |
| regXboi | emagana: :) I'm looking for that info | 21:25 |
| emagana | mestery: Yes, I dont like fake penalties!!!!!! | 21:25 |
| regXboi | because I keep banging my head on doc issues | 21:25 |
| mestery | emagana: Maybe we can even look at documentation options for DVR next week since carl_baldwin will be there too. But maybe it's too early, lets see. | 21:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: not a bad idea | 21:25 |
| emagana | mestery: the sooner the better... I will discuss that with carl_baldwin | 21:26 |
| * mestery is bringing everyone together. :) | 21:26 | |
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| mestery | Thanks for the updates emagana! | 21:26 |
| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:26 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Hi there! | 21:26 |
| mlavalle | hi: we are pretty much complete with the api coverage that we planned early this year. I have one test script for VPNaaS and zzelle_ for the provider network extension | 21:26 |
| regXboi | no | 21:26 |
| regXboi | oops... sorry - wrong window | 21:26 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Nice! | 21:27 |
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| mlavalle | I will update mark_mccclain's etherpad for nova pairty with all the tests pmerged | 21:27 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: For next week, we may have some new tempest contributors, perhaps Wednesday you could spend some time boot strapping a few. | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | I want to devote the next few minutes, though, to gather some feedback for the sprint next week, especially from markmcclain and salv-orlando: what do you see is needed next week for nova-parity and the full neutron job? | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | in terms of tempest^^^ | 21:28 |
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| salv-orlando | mlavalle: I think for enabling the full neutron job we don’t need anything in tempest. | 21:29 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: yes, I will do that | 21:29 |
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| salv-orlando | The issues have been identified, bugs filed and root caused. | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | Patches wil follow up shortly. | 21:29 |
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| salv-orlando | So, I guess I will do my best to get the full job switched to voting this week | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | so that you guys next week can deal with inevitable spike in failure rate | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: any tests that should be redesigned? I think you mentioned something in the tempest irc meeting to that effect | 21:30 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Nice! | 21:30 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: :( | 21:30 |
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| salv-orlando | mlavalle: the tempest design issue pertained the lbaas scenario test. Elena Ehzova already addressed that. | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: cool | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: problems? | 21:31 |
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| mlavalle | how about markmcclain? | 21:31 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: No, just #sadpanda for the inevitable fallout | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | ah ok! | 21:31 |
| mestery | mlavalle: markmcclain is landing right now :) | 21:31 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: I'll circle with him later :) | 21:31 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: ok, i'll follow up directly with him | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain loves neutron meetings at 35k feet | 21:31 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Thanks! | 21:31 |
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| mlavalle | any other input from the team as far as stuff that needs to be covered next week? | 21:32 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I don't think he takes neutron meetings from anyewher else :) | 21:32 |
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| mlavalle | if there is not more input, I am done. I will work the etherpad over this week | 21:33 |
| mestery | Thanks mlavalle! | 21:33 |
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| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:33 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi there! | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Frist, DVR. We’ve seen a lot of great progress. | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | We had a big push to clean up the test failures. We were 4 UT failures away this morning on only one patch. | 21:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | We’ve been addressing feedback about as quickly as it can come in. | 21:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax posted a demo video that was interesting. | 21:34 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Sweet! | 21:34 |
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| mestery | Link? | 21:34 |
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| nati_uen_ | awesome | 21:34 |
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| armax | hy | 21:35 |
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| armax | hi | 21:35 |
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| armax | I put the link to the video here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo | 21:35 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo | 21:35 |
| mestery | Thanks armax! | 21:35 |
| armax | Not sure why, but it looks like Chrome does not render the video tag very well | 21:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: mestery: that must be why I couldn’t see it. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, we’ll get that taken care of. | 21:36 |
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| armax | I was going to send a mail to ML later to broaden the announcement | 21:36 |
| banix | looks fine in Safari | 21:36 |
| Sukhdev | armax: please do | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | armax: ml post is still good. I will forget about that link in 5 minutes or less | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve also put up a temporary branch that merges all of the gerrit patch sets in to one commit a few times a day. | 21:36 |
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| amotoki | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4BwAjLHd0M | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://github.com/ecbaldwin/neutron-dvr.git | 21:37 |
| gus | "The page at 'https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo' was loaded over HTTPS, but ran insecure content from 'http://www.youtube.com/embed/p4BwAjLHd0M?showsearch=0&modestbranding=1': this content should also be loaded over HTTPS." | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ This is just if you want a quick way to get all of the code together. | 21:37 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks for that, for people who want to test it out, that will be helpful! | 21:37 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Is testing something which people can help with next week around DVR? | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, it has helped me out as well. I thought I’d share. | 21:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | mestery: I think so. I’m working on it myself with a few others. If others are interested in testing please let me know. | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: ideally a soon as we merge that we might add a non-voting job that runs neutron with DVR | 21:39 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: If there are things people can assist the DVR team with next week, we can add them to the etherpad. | 21:39 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: +1 to that, though that would require multi-node tempest testing to be useful, right? | 21:39 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: I’ll have a look. | 21:39 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! | 21:39 |
| enikanorov__ | carl_baldwin: i'm interested in testing | 21:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: Yes, we’re working on that. | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: yeah but even without we’ll add coverage for new paths | 21:40 |
| carl_baldwin | enikanorov__: noted. Thanks. | 21:40 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: True, dat. | 21:40 |
| carl_baldwin | The rest is up to date on the meeting page. There were a couple of new High bugs but we’re on them. | 21:40 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Awesome, thanks! | 21:41 |
| carl_baldwin | yw | 21:41 |
| carl_baldwin | That’s it. | 21:41 |
| mestery | #topic Advanced Services | 21:41 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi there! | 21:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 21:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we had quite an interesting discussion in a special session on flavors on Friday :-) | 21:41 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Indeed ;) | 21:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we thought we were beginning to reach a conclusion at least on the user facing API, but then we ran out of time | 21:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so for now, the plan is that markmcclain and enikanorov_ or going to reconcile on the items that we agreed upong | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *upon | 21:42 |
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| enikanorov__ | right | 21:43 |
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| enikanorov__ | i've left corresponding comment on markmcclain's spec | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might decide to leave features like the “tags” defined in enikanorov_’s proposal as a future enhancement | 21:43 |
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| mestery | I think we're close, though I'm hopeful we can close this before the end of hte week. | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: great, thanks | 21:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: +100! | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | I'll reply to those on next flight | 21:43 |
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| mestery | Flavors is important for all the services, so closing on this will be good. | 21:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: great! :-) | 21:44 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Awesome! (And welcome back :) | 21:44 |
| enikanorov__ | markmcclain: is a pilot, isn't he? | 21:44 |
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| mestery | enikanorov__: :) | 21:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | other than that, we want to focus on the service insertion and chaining blueprint specs | 21:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | to the extent that we can without distracting people from their focus | 21:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so expect this wednesday to have more of a discussion on the service insertion spec | 21:45 |
| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 21:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: :-) | 21:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats the short summary | 21:45 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for the summary! | 21:45 |
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| regXboi | SumitNaiksatam: I plan on reading through and adding comments on the other GBP patchsets... just trying to find blocks of time | 21:46 |
| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:46 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Howdy! | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | Hello! | 21:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: thats a separate agenda topic, but thanks :-) | 21:46 |
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| sc68cal | So the two big ticket items are the IPv6 radvd spec and review | 21:46 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101306/ IPv6 radvd spec | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/102648 IPv6 radvd review | 21:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks a bunch for chairing the flavors meeting! | 21:47 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: yw | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | We also got tempest API tests for ipv6 attributes merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93502 | 21:47 |
| mestery | sc68cal: I saw those, that's great they are both there, given the movement to radvd | 21:47 |
| mestery | sc68cal: woot! | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | I also rebased and fixed conflicts on the python-neutronclient side for the ipv6 attributes | 21:47 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75871/ python-neutronclient v6 support | 21:48 |
| mlavalle | sc68cal: thanks! | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | So, eyeballs and reviews appreciate | 21:48 |
| mestery | sc68cal: You've been busy :) | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | also check out the multi-prefix review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/multiple-ipv6-prefixes | 21:48 |
| sc68cal | We'd appreciate some eyeballs on that, and feedback | 21:48 |
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| sc68cal | That's it for me | 21:49 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Seems like IPv6 is making good headway here, which is good! | 21:49 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:49 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Hi! | 21:49 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: Hi | 21:49 |
| Sukhdev | Got few items to report | 21:49 |
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| Sukhdev | Team has been busy reviewing specs - some of them are ready to go and require core approvals | 21:50 |
| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88101/ | 21:50 |
| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91811/ | 21:50 |
| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89728/ | 21:50 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks for pre-reviewing those and noting their readiness for core reviews! | 21:51 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: thanks for approving them - need other cores to | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | review as well | 21:51 |
| emagana | I will help Sukhdev | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: tahnks | 21:51 |
| mestery | emagana: awesome! | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | Another thing to report is that some of the team members met Friday to discuss ML2 Sync | 21:52 |
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| Sukhdev | We are beginging to plan the activities around ML2 Sync to solve some of the issues | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1193861 This is short term fix | 21:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193861 in neutron "ML2 plugin needs to override bulk operations" [Medium,In progress] | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | but, we are looking to solve it with ML2 - | 21:53 |
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| Sukhdev | will work on the specs and BPs with the team members - so look out for that | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev | That is all I have to report for now | 21:53 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: perhaps i am reviewing all three above. will look later today but i have some concern on wording. | 21:53 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Thanks for the updates! | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev | unless there are questions | 21:53 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: thanks | 21:54 |
| mestery | amotoki: Awesome and thanks! | 21:54 |
| mestery | #topic Group Based Policy | 21:54 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Howdy again! | 21:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi again | 21:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | short update | 21:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have lots of patches in review now, the model series is almost complete | 21:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and the driver series is almost there (rkukura would be posting a patch sometime later today) | 21:55 |
| regXboi | and now I'll say what I said before.... I owe you reviews - just need to find a block of uninterrupted time (who knows, maybe friday morning) | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with that one should be able to test a subset of the resources all the way to the data path | 21:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: thanks, and appreciate your comments earlier | 21:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks in general to all the other reviewers as well | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so good progress over all | 21:56 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Excellent! | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | CLI patch is also ready | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks for the time | 21:56 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: thank you for the updates! | 21:56 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:56 |
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| banix | conflicting views on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93866/ Small issue and patchset. Shouldn’t require too much of your time | 21:57 |
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| banix | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93866/ | 21:57 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93866/ | 21:57 |
| mestery | banix: ^^^ | 21:57 |
| banix | mestery: thx. yeah the first thing didn’t come out right for some reasons. | 21:58 |
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| mestery | banix: No worries :) | 21:58 |
| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 21:58 |
| pcm__ | Need help on how to get oslo.messaging 1.4.0.0a2 in global rewuirements https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103536/ | 21:58 |
| amotoki | it is a discussion on positional argument of internal class. we have similar discussion several times so far. | 21:58 |
| mestery | Look forward to seeing some of you next week in Minnesota! | 21:58 |
| yamamoto_ | is 3rd party ci expected to test and vote stable branches? | 21:58 |
| mestery | pcm__: See reply by markmc on the ML to that one. :) | 21:58 |
| pcm__ | ok | 21:58 |
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| mestery | yamamoto_: If your driver is upstream in a stable branch, yes. I'll clarify the wiki page for that. | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | amotoki: I know implementations based on that class | 21:59 |
| yamamoto_ | ok, thank you | 21:59 |
| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 22:00 |
| mestery | Catch you all on the ML and IRC! | 22:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 30 22:00:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-30-21.02.html | 22:00 |
| armax | bye | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-30-21.02.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-30-21.02.log.html | 22:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 22:00 |
| banix | bye | 22:00 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 22:00 |
| emagana | adios! | 22:00 |
| regXboi | l8r | 22:00 |
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| banix | markmcclain: is it better to keep the parameter or update those using this class? | 22:04 |
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