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| shardy | Looks like zaneb is not around, so I can drive the bot today | 12:01 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 12:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 12:02:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:02 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
| tspatzier | hi all | 12:02 |
| mspreitz | here | 12:02 |
| shardy | hi all, who's around? | 12:02 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:02 |
| nikunj2512 | Hi everyone | 12:02 |
| tspatzier | shardy: I think zaneb said last week that he would be out Mo-Wed | 12:02 |
| BillArnold__ | hi all | 12:02 |
| shardy | Oh yeah, and therve was supposed to run the meeting! | 12:03 |
| shardy | therve: sorry, I forgot, do you want to take over? | 12:03 |
| therve | Hi! :) | 12:03 |
| therve | shardy, Please continue :) | 12:03 |
| shardy | :) | 12:03 |
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| dkoper | I'm here. Dies Koper. First time here. | 12:03 |
| Qiming | o/ | 12:03 |
| shardy | dkoper: Hi, welcome! | 12:03 |
| andrearosa | Hi all | 12:04 |
| avquadri | Hi All. First time me too | 12:04 |
| shardy | Hi avquadri, welcome! | 12:04 |
| shardy | Ok, lets get started | 12:04 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:05 |
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| shardy | #topic review last weeks actions | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review last weeks actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| shardy | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-18-20.00.html | 12:05 |
| shardy | zaneb book space for the meetup and then make an announcement on the ML | 12:05 |
| shardy | I think that was done | 12:05 |
| shardy | #info zaneb booked space for heat mid-cycle meetup and announced on ML | 12:06 |
| therve | I saw the email | 12:06 |
| shardy | ${next PTL} before summit plan an early mid-cycle meetup | 12:06 |
| shardy | Ok I guess that's ongoing | 12:06 |
| shardy | #info ongoing action ${next PTL} before summit plan an early mid-cycle meetup | 12:06 |
| shardy | add mid-cycle meetup planning to Heat PTL guide on wiki | 12:06 |
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| shardy | Not sure if that happened.. | 12:07 |
| shardy | #action zaneb add mid-cycle meetup planning to Heat PTL guide on wiki | 12:07 |
| shardy | Anything else from last meeting? | 12:07 |
| shardy | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:08 |
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| shardy | Anyone have anything to add? | 12:08 |
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| mspreitz | How about an action to put a link to that Heat PTL guide somewhere that can be found? | 12:08 |
| shardy | mspreitz: it should be linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat | 12:08 |
| mspreitz | shardy: as far as I can tell, it is not | 12:09 |
| therve | shardy, I added some items in the wiki already about specs | 12:09 |
| shardy | mspreitz: I know, that's why I just actioned zaneb to do it again | 12:09 |
| shardy | mspreitz: it's not been done yet | 12:09 |
| shardy | therve: yup, saw those, thanks | 12:10 |
| shardy | #topic Mid-cycle meetup | 12:10 |
| mspreitz | shardy: I meant "#action put link to PTL guide in Heat wiki page" | 12:10 |
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| shardy | #action zaneb put link to PTL guide in Heat wiki page | 12:10 |
| shardy | poor Zane is getting all the actions today ;) | 12:11 |
| shardy | I'll add a link if I can find it | 12:11 |
| shardy | So zaneb posted info about the mid-cycle meetup, does anyone have anything they want to discuss about it? | 12:11 |
| mspreitz | A link from the agenda page to the project page would not be bad either | 12:11 |
| pas-ha | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/PTLGuide#Mid-cycle_Meetup | 12:11 |
| mspreitz | just for convenience | 12:11 |
| therve | Put your names on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-midcycle-meetup | 12:11 |
| shardy | mspreitz: feel free to add it :) | 12:12 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: thanks, I hadn't seen that | 12:12 |
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| pas-ha | could you repeat what would be the focus of the meetup? convergence drafting/crafting? | 12:13 |
| shardy | #info Heat mid-cycle meetup confirmed | 12:13 |
| shardy | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg27516.html | 12:13 |
| shardy | pas-ha: That is tbc, but it will be more about doing work than planning | 12:13 |
| jyoti-ranjan | Hi, I am first time here | 12:14 |
| shardy | jyoti-ranjan: hi, welcome | 12:14 |
| jyoti-ranjan | Do we have any link where we have agenda for meet-up? | 12:14 |
| jyoti-ranjan | I did not find at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/PTLGuide#Mid-cycle_Meetup. | 12:14 |
| therve | There is no agenda, except "Do stuff" | 12:14 |
| shardy | jyoti-ranjan: not yet, the exact agenda is still tbc | 12:14 |
| jyoti-ranjan | I understand, thanks | 12:15 |
| shardy | depends on what folks want to do, but I expect update enhancements and convergence will feature prominently | 12:15 |
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| pas-ha | updates - cool :) | 12:15 |
| therve | Althought that should happen at the previous one too | 12:16 |
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| shardy | therve: Yeah, myself and stevebaker will be at the tripleo meetup to represent heat | 12:16 |
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| therve | shardy, Sweet | 12:16 |
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| shardy | I won't be at the heat-specific event unfortunately | 12:16 |
| shardy | not sure about stevebaker | 12:17 |
| shardy | Ok lets defer further meetup planning for when zaneb is back next week | 12:17 |
| shardy | #topic Spec backlog: review items, have a spec review day | 12:17 |
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| shardy | therve: care to take this one? | 12:17 |
| therve | Yes | 12:17 |
| therve | I talked to ttx about our spec repository | 12:18 |
| therve | We have some backlog, nothing to worry about, but we should start kicking it a bit | 12:18 |
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| therve | I told him we were a bit afraid of the first merge or so it seemed :) | 12:18 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah I agree, although with specs generally (not just heat) I worry there's the risk of rat-holing on details before there is any code | 12:19 |
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| therve | He suggested to have a review day so that we can all talk about it and just land them | 12:19 |
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| therve | shardy, Yeah that's one issue | 12:19 |
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| shardy | It's good to have details, but we don't want the process to introduce huge overhead, just get consensus on the direction and top-level design | 12:19 |
| therve | I think we should emphasize that you can make the specs evolve | 12:19 |
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| therve | It's not like we print them on stone tablets | 12:19 |
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| shardy | therve: +1, get the outline agreed, then push it | 12:19 |
| shardy | revise if necessary if the implementation evolves | 12:20 |
| therve | Yeah it'd be nice to keep them somewhat in sync | 12:20 |
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| shardy | folks reviewing the code should check that the spec reflects roughly what has been implemented | 12:20 |
| BillArnold__ | therve +1, necessary to keep specs in sync with implementation | 12:21 |
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| pas-ha | how one should ref the new spec in the commit? | 12:21 |
| shardy | pas-ha: reference the blueprint | 12:21 |
| mspreitz | Do we keep spec in line with impl going forward? | 12:21 |
| shardy | then the spec should be linked from the blueprint | 12:21 |
| pas-ha | looks like it would be roundtrip gerrit-launchpad-gerrit | 12:21 |
| andrearosa | shardy: if we see that the code is not impelmenting what is defined in the specs we should cahnge the specs? it doesn't seem to me correct | 12:21 |
| therve | pas-ha, If there are too many round trips it means you don't know what you're doing :) | 12:21 |
| shardy | mspreitz: yes, that's what was just mentioned | 12:22 |
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| mspreitz | Indefinitely? | 12:22 |
| therve | mspreitz, No just until the bp has been implemented | 12:22 |
| shardy | mspreitz: No, I think it's just a sanity-check thing, where if folks propose one thing, and implement something substantially different, reviewers pick it up when reviewing the code | 12:22 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 12:23 |
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| shardy | mspreitz: ultimately the spec represents a "design document" of sorts, so it's worthless if it's completely different to the code | 12:23 |
| shardy | IMO we should resist super-detailed specs though | 12:23 |
| mspreitz | ultimately, I'd like to have maintained design docs, but I thin that's too much to ask here now | 12:23 |
| tspatzier | shardy: +1 | 12:23 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: IMO your action-aware-sw-config one strikes a good balance | 12:24 |
| andrearosa | shardy: I agree with that but the code can't diverge too much from the specs | 12:24 |
| tspatzier | thanks shardy :-) | 12:24 |
| shardy | detailed discussion of the use-case and interfaces, consideration of backwards compatibility, but not too many details on the exact implementation | 12:24 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98742/ | 12:25 |
| tspatzier | yep, otherwise we end up in a waterfall model | 12:25 |
| shardy | everyone copy tspatzier ;) | 12:25 |
| shardy | therve: so you think we need a review-day, or just a general push to get things merged? | 12:25 |
| shardy | The convergence stuff looks mostly nearly there, I need to revisit it | 12:25 |
| therve | shardy, Maybe lt's give it another week, and if nothing moved we can talk during the next meeting? | 12:26 |
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| shardy | therve: Ok, sounds good | 12:26 |
| shardy | #info reviewers to review specs, revisit progress at next meeting | 12:26 |
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| shardy | #topic Discuss spec approval deadline | 12:27 |
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| therve | Something that came up during project meeting | 12:27 |
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| shardy | therve: so you're thinking we need a feature proposal freeze for specs? | 12:27 |
| therve | Nova is adopting some deadlines around specs | 12:27 |
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| avquadri | In case anyone wants to contribute for testing the heat, is their any testplan or test case document available? | 12:28 |
| therve | A proposal one and a approval one, I think an email has been sent | 12:28 |
| shardy | IMO for big features we do need a proposal one, but I wouldn't want to block small features which are posted near FPF just because they need a spec | 12:29 |
| therve | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038475.html | 12:29 |
| therve | So we talked about it during the meeting, and I don't think we need this | 12:30 |
| mspreitz | particularly if we get picky about requiring a spec for anything that changes observable behavior | 12:30 |
| therve | Projects are free to choose their policy, fwiw | 12:30 |
| shardy | therve: FWIW I think that is too early for heat | 12:30 |
| therve | So I suggest not having specific deadlines outside of the Feature proposal freeze | 12:30 |
| shardy | If simple specs get proposed early in J3 I'd be OK with that, provided they don't impact too much existing code | 12:31 |
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| therve | Yeah I feel we can have small enough spec that it doesn't matter | 12:31 |
| therve | Nova already has a 154 specs backlog, so has to set some expectations | 12:31 |
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| shardy | therve: +1, Ok well I guess it's up to zaneb to have the final say on this, but I don't think strictly aligning with the nova timetable makes sense for heat | 12:32 |
| therve | shardy, agreed | 12:32 |
| tspatzier | +1 | 12:32 |
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| therve | That's all I had :) | 12:33 |
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| shardy | #topic Critical issues sync | 12:33 |
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| shardy | So we had some gate-affecting issues, I know therve fixed one, and stevebaker posted a fix for another | 12:34 |
| mspreitz | Has anybody successfully exercised an OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup whose member type is a nested stack? | 12:34 |
| shardy | Anyone else have any critical issues to raise? | 12:34 |
| therve | mspreitz, My example used to work some weeks ago | 12:34 |
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| shardy | mspreitz: we need a tempest test for it IMO | 12:34 |
| Qiming | Hi, I have got another issue for the team to consider, not a new one | 12:34 |
| therve | shardy, stevebaker problem has been reverted first, no? | 12:35 |
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| Qiming | it is actually about scenario test | 12:35 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: Yes, I think we need to get Tempest exercising some of the heat-templates | 12:35 |
| shardy | therve: my patch exposed a race, but didn't cause it, so it got reverted | 12:35 |
| therve | Ah so there is an underlying bug | 12:35 |
| shardy | therve: last night stevebaker found a fix to the DB session lockup which was related to lock stealing on delete | 12:35 |
| therve | Cool | 12:35 |
| shardy | therve: Yeah, my code just made things run faster, so it broke more regularly | 12:36 |
| therve | Less cool | 12:36 |
| therve | :) | 12:36 |
| BillArnold__ | shardy that means your token patch is back? | 12:36 |
| shardy | therve: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102377 | 12:36 |
| therve | Qiming, yeah? | 12:36 |
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| shardy | BillArnold__: it's queued after that one I just posted | 12:36 |
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| shardy | so it's coming back ;) | 12:37 |
| Qiming | there are many scenarios where simple unit tests are not adquate to find problems | 12:37 |
| shardy | Qiming: The answer is more tempest tests | 12:37 |
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| Qiming | these scenarios can be treated as heat-very-very-slow, e.g. softwareconfig, autoscaling ... | 12:37 |
| shardy | I've been working on some, but getting them in is proving extremely slow and frustrating | 12:37 |
| shardy | Qiming: That's what the tempest heat-slow job is for | 12:38 |
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| shardy | it already has an autoscaling test | 12:38 |
| shardy | (not for the native resources yet) | 12:38 |
| Qiming | okay, just don't know how slow is that :) | 12:38 |
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| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/tempest/tree/master/tempest/scenario/orchestration | 12:38 |
| mspreitz | shardy: what is making it slow and frustrating to land more heat-slow tests? | 12:38 |
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| Qiming | an example is that a recent patch to ceilometer broke autoscaling, though the original intent was to make metadata matching capable of handling 'or' clauses ... | 12:39 |
| shardy | someone just asked about test plans - tempest is the place to look, although it's not a "plan" as such | 12:39 |
| shardy | mspreitz: lack of tempest-core reviewer attention | 12:39 |
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| shardy | my most recent attempt at adding a new test has taken three months so far | 12:40 |
| mspreitz | shardy: I presume lack of attention slows down landing of all sorts of tempest tests. Ugh! | 12:40 |
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| shardy | Qiming: IMO, every time we have a functional regression, we should add a new test in tempest to catch it | 12:40 |
| mspreitz | shardy: +1 | 12:40 |
| mspreitz | I was going to sugget that myself | 12:40 |
| Qiming | shardy, but 3 months is terrible ... | 12:41 |
| BillArnold__ | shardy, +1, in that case the bug was a ceilometer bug | 12:41 |
| avquadri | shardy, thanks. any document on adding a new tempest test would be appreciated. will help in getting started | 12:41 |
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| shardy | Qiming: Then tag it as Related-Bug to the original bug in the commit, e.g like | 12:41 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90143/ | 12:41 |
| Qiming | got it | 12:41 |
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| mspreitz | But how do we solve this problem: (a) regression discovered; (b) new test proposed --- and rejected because it fails! | 12:41 |
| shardy | avquadri: The best thing is looking at reviews like the one I posted above, also tempest documentation is OK | 12:41 |
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| therve | mspreitz, Considering what shardy just talked about regarding lack of review attention, it shouldn't be a problem | 12:42 |
| shardy | mspreitz: fix regression, propose tempest test, test accepted so we catch it next time | 12:42 |
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| avquadri | thanks | 12:42 |
| mspreitz | shardy: but that means there is no testing that the test actually catches the regression | 12:42 |
| shardy | I actually think the whole model of having tempest-core review all projects test-cases is broken, but that's another discussion | 12:43 |
| shardy | mspreitz: testing that is up to the test author | 12:43 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: there is no annotation that means "expect this to fail until bug NNN is fixed" ? | 12:43 |
| therve | Like other unit tests really | 12:43 |
| shardy | mspreitz: Or, you could post it before the fix, see it fail, then recheck after the fix lands | 12:44 |
| shardy | mspreitz: Yeah, there is also a skip_because(bug...) decorator in tempest, but you're not allowed to land skipped tests | 12:44 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: it's obvious that the test author can test once, I was just thinking about whether something a little more robust is possible/desirable | 12:44 |
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| shardy | mspreitz: given the review latency, probably not at this point | 12:44 |
| therve | We haven't had that problem yet, let's just write tests and see | 12:45 |
| shardy | therve: +1 | 12:45 |
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| shardy | Ok, 15mins left, any other things to discuss? | 12:45 |
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| shardy | #topic open discussion | 12:45 |
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| therve | The oslo.messaging patch is ready for me, any additional testing would be welcome | 12:46 |
| therve | I hope it won't stay around too long because it's costly to maintain | 12:46 |
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| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99648/ | 12:46 |
| shardy | #info oslo messaging patch about to land, please test/review it | 12:47 |
| pas-ha | could core team take a look at new Sahara resources? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/sahara-as-heat-resource,n,z | 12:47 |
| avquadri | any tips for new contributors for heat? | 12:47 |
| therve | avquadri, Review patches, fixes small bugs | 12:47 |
| therve | Have a look at heat-templates and try to run them | 12:48 |
| andrearosa | small bugs are tagged as low-hanging-fruit? | 12:48 |
| shardy | avquadri: and do reviews, it will help you get familiar with the code, and reduce the time your patches wait for review | 12:48 |
| therve | Read documentation carefully :) | 12:48 |
| pas-ha | get to know gerrit and git review :) | 12:48 |
| avquadri | thanks a lot :) | 12:48 |
| shardy | avquadri: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/DevelopmentProcess | 12:49 |
| avquadri | thanks, these things should get us started | 12:49 |
| shardy | avquadri: Mostly they're not, but perhaps we should start doing that | 12:49 |
| shardy | avquadri: If you need help finding small bugs, come ask in #heat | 12:50 |
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| shardy | Ok, anything else or shall we wrap things up? | 12:50 |
| avquadri | great ... sure | 12:50 |
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| shardy | Actually, I have one thing, someone said to me it's weird that we have #heat now we're integrated | 12:51 |
| shardy | Does anyone thing we should move to a #openstack-orchestration or something? | 12:51 |
| therve | No :) | 12:51 |
| shardy | I don't have strong opinions about it, just passing on an observation ;) | 12:51 |
| mspreitz | I really don't care. | 12:51 |
| shardy | therve: fair enough ;) | 12:52 |
| mspreitz | It's all random enough I have to look it up until I learn | 12:52 |
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| therve | We could open the channel and redirect to #heat though | 12:52 |
| shardy | mspreitz: neither does anyone who knows what the channel is already, it's about making it more discoverable for new folks I guess | 12:52 |
| mspreitz | There's a wiki page for that | 12:52 |
| mspreitz | That's what I was saying, I look up in wiki page rather than trying to guess | 12:52 |
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| BillArnold__ | shardy openstack-heat would be easy to type | 12:53 |
| shardy | BillArnold__: yeah, it's just like ceilometer moved to #openstack-metering after integration | 12:53 |
| mspreitz | and #orchestration would be pointless, but rounds out the quartet that any guesser would start with | 12:53 |
| shardy | anyway, probably not important, let's leave it as something to think about ;) | 12:54 |
| therve | shardy, It didn't ? | 12:54 |
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| pas-ha | actually for conformity with other projects it should be openstack-heat | 12:54 |
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| jyoti-ranjan | Yes, it good to aling rest of Openstack world like openstack-heat. | 12:54 |
| mspreitz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IRC | 12:54 |
| shardy | therve: Oh, am I wrong? I thought they moved. | 12:54 |
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| therve | shardy, Well it's openstack-ceilometer, maybe they move from ceilometer | 12:55 |
| Qiming | #openstack-metering points to the same channel | 12:55 |
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| therve | Qiming, No? | 12:55 |
| shardy | Ok, lets stay in #heat and look into getting a redirect to align with other projects then | 12:55 |
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| * shardy is regretting bringing up this topic | 12:56 | |
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| therve | Heh | 12:56 |
| Qiming | :) | 12:56 |
| shardy | Ok, let's leave it at that, thanks everyone! | 12:56 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 12:56 |
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| therve | Thank you shardy | 12:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 12:56:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-25-12.02.html | 12:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-25-12.02.txt | 12:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-25-12.02.log.html | 12:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 15:05:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | any one around for todays meeting? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | sorry :) | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries, I am late too | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno Blueprints | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its nova-spec day, anyone got a XenAPI nova spec? | 15:06 |
| BobBall | how are the BPs going? | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think ant has one | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: you mean in general? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | what's nova spec day? *not been following the ml* | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | its go review a spec day | 15:07 |
| BobBall | antonym did indeed raise a BP but I thought that was superceeded | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure | 15:07 |
| BobBall | ant's BP was around cores-per-socket which got subsumed into the wider CPU topology debate | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | there were some clashes | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is an iPXE one too, I have a patch to implement that sitting somewhere too | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92506/ | 15:08 |
| BobBall | but no BPs from me - I've been focusing on getting buildroot packages working well which typically isn't affecting Nova ATM | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | no probs | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenServer CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:09 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hows the CI world going? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Quiet week this week iirc | 15:09 |
| BobBall | did I say I fixed the merge vs cherry-pick issue? | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't remember that one | 15:10 |
| BobBall | a bunch of patches were failing because they were being checked out from review.openstack.org but actually needed to be merged / cherry-picked onto the latest master | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, you did mention it | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | what was the fix? | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I merged onto the latest master | 15:11 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:11 |
| BobBall | means that we diverged from devstack-gate which is frustrating | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | I don't know what the long term fix is | 15:11 |
| BobBall | because I want to be on master d-g and everything else | 15:11 |
| BobBall | but hey ho | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh well | 15:11 |
| BobBall | nodepool patches have had some activity, but not much... so not sure when we'll get off our branch of nodepool | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | quite weeks are good, in terms of issues | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, need more reviews on those patches I guess | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so in good news, I think we are looking to hire someone over here to help out with this, if everything goes to plan | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | nice | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so fingers crossed on that one | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | (if anyone fancies that job, ping me on IRC or whatever) | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:14 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so anything more to discuss this week? | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | nah | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I made a couple of devstack improvements | 15:14 |
| BobBall | when you instlal it now you get a trace of the output from stack.sh | 15:15 |
| BobBall | which is kinda useful. | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh yeah, did you get image creation working again? | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | oh... good point... | 15:15 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I did | 15:15 |
| BobBall | it 'just works' after you update the config repo | 15:15 |
| BobBall | | 192 | rax-dfw | XSDSVM | XSDSVM-1403576040.template.xenserver.org | 1403576040 | 06a431f7-8c67-4cc9-a20b-8fa913d59283 | 06e390c0-70f8-48d4-8c1e-0a8228b66c6b | ready | 35.75 | | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | only 35 hours old :) | 15:16 |
| BobBall | | 197 | rax-iad | XSDSVM | XSDSVM-1403662444.template.xenserver.org | 1403662444 | 4507112c-2c6f-426d-9b2d-910762d798ef | fd574c73-20f7-4392-b8ad-9a7b1187f231 | ready | 11.73 | | 15:16 |
| BobBall | IAD is even newer. | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that sounds promising, so if I recreate it should work over here I guess | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try that again! | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | Any more for any more? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | nah | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools, thanks for the update | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | catch you next week folks! | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | others are very welcome too | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 15:18:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-25-15.05.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-25-15.05.txt | 15:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-25-15.05.log.html | 15:18 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 16:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| jgriffith | hey hey | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:00 |
| winston-d | o/ | 16:00 |
| avishay | hi | 16:00 |
| bruff | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| navneet1 | hello | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | 'lo | 16:01 |
| kenhui | yo | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | nice turn out! | 16:01 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | I'm not going to say "short meeting" cuz you know I'll be wrong ;) | 16:01 |
| bswartz | long meeting today! | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | But I do have a hard stop at quarter til | 16:01 |
| asselin | hi | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | so we better get rollin | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hello all. | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: you want to kick us off | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic consistency groups | 16:02 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: sure | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96665/6 | 16:02 |
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| xyang1 | the CG spec is updated | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | I'd like to get everyone's feedback | 16:02 |
| bswartz | I see a bunch of red ink | 16:02 |
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| xyang1 | that's true:) that's why we have this meeting | 16:03 |
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| avishay | my comments are in | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:03 |
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| xyang1 | so we discussed about type_group in a meeting a few weeks back | 16:03 |
| xyang1 | I got more details in there now. | 16:03 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:03 |
| joa | hi | 16:03 |
| flip214 | Is it really necessary to have groups as a hard requirement? How about just having an additional value at create_volume time saying "please locate beneath volume X"? | 16:04 |
| xyang1 | avishay: you want to describe your comments | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | The only issue I really had (not really an issue) is the point about multiple type group support | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | yes avishay :) | 16:04 |
| xyang1 | this will not be a requirement for driver. It is an advanced feature | 16:04 |
| avishay | xyang1: my main comment is that i think creating a consistency group should be one operation, where the scheduler chooses a backend for all volumes belonging to that CG | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | cuz I'm a gonna disagree with your comment :) | 16:04 |
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| avishay | xyang1: after that, you can create volumes which automatically go to that backend | 16:05 |
| avishay | jgriffith: go ahead, make my day ;) | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: LOL | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: so I don't disagree with that actually... but we're running xyang1 in circles on this | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | we talked about that sort of model last week or so and the majority folks weren't in favor (IIRC) | 16:06 |
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| * jgriffith notes the spec process is good in a number of ways, but seems to open us up to rat-holing | 16:06 | |
| avishay | we were against batch volume creation, so why have batch CG+volume creation? | 16:07 |
| avishay | i realize we need to get moving on code, but better to do it right the first time | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | I suspect the wisdom or not of batched operations will show up PDQ once somebody starts to code it, but I suspect Avishay is right | 16:07 |
| avishay | i.e., my way ;) j/k | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, shouldn't be a big deal | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | avishay: Oh... I'm not disagreeing | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and not saying we should rush | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | just pointing out specs are becoming "interesting" | 16:08 |
| bswartz | I don't think we were against batch volume creation -- we just felt the use case was adequately addressed by the existing interface | 16:08 |
| avishay | jgriffith: now that people are actually paying attention to blueprints :) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: seems like it would be feasible | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thoughts? | 16:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | why only volumes form the same backend can be in CG? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah!!! | 16:08 |
| flip214 | why is it a 'must allocate with', and not a 'please allocate with'? Is that because of snapshot consistency? | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: which one? | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: cuz it's a pain in the %$SS to try and do it any other way :) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: and I *think* we agree for a first step this was reasonable | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: the proposed workflow | 16:09 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: +1 for reasonable first step | 16:09 |
| joa | Arkady_Kanevsky: using multiples backends for a consistent group's snapshot for instance.. Isn't really easy to do. | 16:09 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: use create volume and add a group in it? | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | rather than batch up the voume and gc create | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Arkady_Kanevsky: Because you need to freeze I/O simultaneously across the CG, and currently backend support is the only way to do that | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: avishay actually I thought is was the other way around? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: It seems most consistent with other functionality to go with that design. | 16:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | a few concrete exampel I had seen people create volumes with different QoS per volume and make them in CG. I agree that doing it on one back and is much simpler | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Create the group, then add volumes. | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | Arkady_Kanevsky: We could conceivably loosen the restriction in future, but there be dragons best left until we've done the simpler case | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96665/6/specs/juno/consistency-groups.rst | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | Under "API will also send multiple create_volume messages" | 16:10 |
| avishay | Arkady_Kanevsky: if the backend supports different QoS values (talk to jgriffith if you want to buy), no problem | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | avishay: has a comment with some workflow notes | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: but that's same backend | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: so it still *works* | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah... what avishay said :) | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | chirp chirp chirp | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | bueller... bueller | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | wake up everyone :) | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | Seems like we're going with Avishay's plan and seeing how the code looks, righht? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: you see the section I'm referring to? | 16:13 |
| * jungleboyj votes for starting simple. | 16:13 | |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: well since xyang1 is doing all the work I want to get her input :) | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | and make sure she's good with it | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | the API section? | 16:13 |
| navneet1 | +1 for simple start | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: http://paste.openstack.org/show/84899/ | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: Avishay's proposal is actually easier to implement than the type_group approach. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: perfect | 16:14 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I just want to make sure everyone is on board | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: let's update the spec and go that route | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | personally I like it... more flexibility | 16:14 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:14 |
| navneet1 | we ca see type grp later | 16:14 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so I don't have to come back and discuss another approach:) | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | xyang1: As long as the code comes out cleanly | 16:15 |
| kmartin | +1 | 16:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have a code for scheduler changes which now wil lhave to check each backend for qos for each volume in CG? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: haha... well that's a subjective statement | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | goal | 16:15 |
| xyang1 | navneet1: I hope we don't have to go back to type_group again in Juno | 16:15 |
| kmartin | xyang1: you might want to put in on the agenda just in case :) | 16:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry team, reviwing SPec in realtime | 16:16 |
| avishay | obviously the create_volume code should be clean and be taskflow, hopefully the CG management will be taskflow as well? | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | kmartin: next week? | 16:16 |
| navneet1 | xyang1: no we should not :) | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I don't see any other really big deals in there | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | some little details about response codes etc | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | and the note about quotas | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | other than that though it seems like it's come together nicely IMHO | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind J2 is just around the corner | 16:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | is volume shapshot becomes cg shampshot with only one volume in a group? | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:17 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: cool! I hope after my update next time I won't get any red:) | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Arkady_Kanevsky: if I understand what you're saying "no" | 16:17 |
| flip214 | Arkady_Kanevsky: good question... | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | Arkady_Kanevsky: A CG can be one volume... it's silly but it should work the same | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | only one volume in a CG seems sort of weird IMO | 16:18 |
| flip214 | will there be "create_snapshot_from_volume" and "create_snapshot_from_cg"? | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | there will be a cgsnapshot, which | 16:18 |
| avishay | jgriffith: it's weird, but legal | 16:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am just looking 1 step ahead to depricated some duplicated functionality and APis | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | avishay: true-dat | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | each snapshot will have a foreign key to cgsnapshot | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | Probably time to move on, we seem to have agreement and we can rathole in the channel later | 16:19 |
| avishay | [25 minutes left] | 16:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | so volume create if CG is not specify will create CG just for a volume. Not sure if that CG of special type so you can not add new volumes to it. | 16:19 |
| guitarzan | Arkady_Kanevsky: that's unnecessary | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | Arkady_Kanevsky: If CG is not specified, it works just like it does today | 16:20 |
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| flip214 | so if I *ever* want to have a second volume, and get consistent snapshots, I *have* to create a CG beforehand. | 16:20 |
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| flip214 | I guess there'll be quite a few one-volume-CGs around. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | flip214: that's the whole point of a CG | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | yes | 16:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | let's move on and I will take on email. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | flip214: why? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | flip214: I'm so confused | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | we have snapshots today, those aren't going away | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | yes... we probably should move on | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | flip214: if you specify the same CG, new volumes will go to the same CG | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: He is saying, since he can't add them later the CGs will just be created at the time the volume is created, just in case. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I'd suggest #openstack-cinder | 16:21 |
| flip214 | yeah, but if a volume can't be moved into a CG later on, the only safe way is to always create a CG | 16:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | flip214; create CG first and then add volumes to it you want in CG. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | email isn't the best with this group :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | at least to start | 16:22 |
| flip214 | yeah, lets move on. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | flip214: you can always migrate, or retype too | 16:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK #openstack-cinder is it. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | but anyway | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | flip214: update CG will be after phase 1 | 16:22 |
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| xyang1 | flip214: that was decided at the summit. | 16:22 |
| flip214 | ack | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | #topic 3'rd party CI status | 16:23 |
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| navneet1 | in progress | 16:23 |
| asselin | us too | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | who all is blocked by firewall issues? | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | we have some positive news from our side. IT will work on the firewall issue soon | 16:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | just starting on it | 16:24 |
| e0ne | in progress too | 16:24 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: is month end a hard stop? | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | asselin: is yours resolved? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: "soon" my favorite relative word | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | navneet1: J2 was our goal | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | July 27 | 16:24 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: was? | 16:24 |
| thingee | xyang1: "soon" from IT is not positive | 16:24 |
| thingee | ;) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: is | 16:24 |
| navneet1 | ok | 16:24 |
| asselin | xyang1, I haven't checked yet | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: early next week to be exactly. I hope that will happen:) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | don't get your hopes up :) | 16:25 |
| joa | Just starting on the CI here too | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | Can somebody detail exactly what is failing with the firewall? I can do all of the individual steps using corkscrew so it should be reasonably trivial it inject corkscrew config into the process.... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: sounds good | 16:25 |
| asselin | still catching up from vacation | 16:25 |
| joa | so I didn't reach any blocking issue. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | In progress. Storwize actually is close to trying to hook into the Jenkins stream. Other drivers are getting their tempest set up down. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Have most of the hardware and some resource to help get things set up. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: if you have a way out to use corkscrew | 16:25 |
| asselin | DuncanT, no, you need to update the zuul code | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | no? | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | asselin: Should be an easy change though? | 16:26 |
| asselin | DuncanT, since it ignores the corkscrew settings | 16:26 |
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| asselin | DuncanT, yes it should | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | asselin: Which step is failing currently? | 16:26 |
| asselin | DuncanT, let's discuss that in #cinder | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | asselin: Ok | 16:27 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: we have a chicken and egg issue though. an unmerged driver cannot be tested by CI | 16:27 |
| xyang1 | I just realized that | 16:27 |
| asselin | xyang1, why's that? | 16:27 |
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| xyang1 | asselin: were you able to do that? | 16:27 |
| asselin | xyang1, it should be able to test from the gerrit patch set | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | xyang1: It should test as soon as you put the review up | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | asselin: your driver is already in the trunk, right | 16:28 |
| navneet1 | asselin: should not be..else you dont have proper debug info for failures | 16:28 |
| joa | Does the CI process only appply on already-merged changes ? | 16:28 |
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| navneet1 | asselin: driver not in main branch | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | asselin, DuncanT: that way, yet, but we can't provide logs before that | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | joa: i believe that it should be on review-requests too | 16:29 |
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| navneet1 | asselin: even if logs are provided the submitter wont be able to locate the issue in driver | 16:29 |
| asselin | navneet1, xyang1 the driver doesn't need to be on main. As long as it's in a gerrit patch set, you can test it and get all the logs. | 16:29 |
| joa | e0ne: yeah that's what I understood originally too | 16:29 |
| navneet1 | as its not there upstream | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | so we are planning to submit code next week. we are required to submit test logs as part of it | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | xyang1: Have you CI ignore all patches except except your review, until it is merged... or apply your driver patch on top of all reviews until it is merged | 16:29 |
| asselin | navneet1, yes they can because the driver code is in gerrit | 16:29 |
| navneet1 | asselin: its not accepted yet | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | xyang1: Either of those should be fine I think | 16:29 |
| navneet1 | its under review | 16:30 |
| asselin | navneet1, excatly....you can see the code and +1 -1 etc | 16:30 |
| e0ne | joa: but some CI jobs could require some path | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | ok, we'll see when we've set it the whole thing | 16:30 |
| e0ne | s/path/patch | 16:30 |
| joa | what kind ? apart configuration I mean ? | 16:30 |
| navneet1 | asselin: then is it not right to mark it as dependent change to driver submission? | 16:30 |
| asselin | navneet1, not followin you. What dependent change? | 16:31 |
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| xyang1 | DuncanT: we'll try this one "Have you CI ignore all patches except except your review, until it is merged" | 16:31 |
| navneet1 | asselin: just an idea....only if ci fails | 16:31 |
| asselin | navneet1, the ci system output is a +1 or -1. Along with log files. That's it. | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: Either have your CI only vote on your driver patch until it is merged, or (even better) have your CI apply the patch for your driver to every change until you're merged | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | DuncanT: otherwise we'll have to have another setup for cert test | 16:31 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: makes sense | 16:32 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: so if anybody's submission fails we provide them logs and location of driver review patch? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | I'm really confused here | 16:33 |
| asselin | navneet1, ok I understand the concern. Yes, until it's in master, there's no point to certifiy 'other people's patches | 16:33 |
| xyang1 | also it looks like there are strict requirement on where to publish logs. someone used dropbox and got rejected | 16:33 |
| navneet1 | asselin: yes thats what xyang1 said | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | so let's back up a second | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | WRT new drivers: | 16:33 |
| asselin | xyang1, no...they're discouraging it, but it should not be rejected | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: Yes, just provide the log and a reviewer can take a look at what failed.... | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Submit your driver with cert results | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Make sure your CI env is up running and ready to go | 16:34 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: we should agree on something | 16:34 |
| xyang1 | asselin: one account was just disabled because it was dropbox | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | You can even run that with your "patch" until your code lands if you want | 16:34 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: do we provide logs or we dont test new driver at all? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | it's easy to do a fetch of your patch | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Secondly... | 16:34 |
| asselin | xyang1, here's the latest proposal which say's it's ok: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101227/ | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | NO dropbox is not what people want | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Web page/file-server | 16:35 |
| avishay | =[10 minutes]= | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: Submit your driver with cert results? Is this still required if we are setting up CI? | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: Providing logs is better IMO, but not testing is acceptable | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Your system should work JUST LIKE the existing CI system | 16:35 |
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| navneet1 | DuncanT: alright...guess we can make it more stringent in future..for now its ok | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | why has this become so difficult..... | 16:35 |
| asselin | xyang1, perhaps drop box requires download? | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: so I didn't know cert test is still needed and all our cert setup were gone. we have been focusing on CI | 16:36 |
| ayoung | since we are calling it quits early, can I just request that we allocate, like, 2 minutes to a client issue? | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: what I'm saying is that in the case of a new driver if you're not smart enough to figure out how to getyour system up and running before your driver lands there's an alternative | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | asselin: username and password, I think | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | I'm also saying that I never thought that "requiring CI at the time of submission of a new driver was very fair" | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: you're a unique case however | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | mostly because you already have 4 or 5 drivers in the code base | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I agree that that is harsh. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | and you're looking at just swallowing up a abunch more | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | People wanted to see that you were going to do CI | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | and that's fair | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | anybody that has multiple drivers I think should be held to a somewhat higher standard | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | but I'm not going to reject their driver becuase they don't have CI running on it yet | 16:37 |
| * joa sighs. Will soon have two drivers. | 16:38 | |
| jgriffith | joa: even if you only have one, it doesn't matter | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: we'll see how CI is going on our side. If it takes longer, I'll ask them to work on cert test. right now I'd rather everyone focusing on CI | 16:38 |
| joa | yeah sure, planning to get CI anyways :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | sighh.... I fear the point I"m trying to make is stil being missed | 16:38 |
| asselin | honestly, it's a lot easier to run the cert test using ci than manually IMHO. At least once you got it setup. | 16:38 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: what about to get a list of current(empty for now) and planned 3rd party CIs somewhere in wiki or etherpad? | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: we actually repurposed a few cert test setups because I thought we don't need them any more:( | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | this is exactly why I thought this whole mandatory CI testing process was going to be a bad idea | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: use the same setup! | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: who cares | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | All I care about is that code/devices are actually getting tested | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | up until I they weren't | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | nobody was testing shit | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I don't know if we are going to screw up the jenkins slave setup if we start running cert test | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: they're VM's... who cares? | 16:39 |
| kmartin | xyang1: cert test can be ran on any dev system | 16:40 |
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| navneet1 | jgriffith: how do we make sure nobody is testing shit :) | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | create an image of them and do whatever you want | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | navneet1: you're killin me dude | 16:40 |
| avishay | =[5 minutes]= | 16:40 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: :) | 16:40 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: ok, we'll see | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | Look... here's what we all agreed upon without any real objetion | 16:40 |
| * jungleboyj doesn't like shit testing. Messy job. | 16:40 | |
| jgriffith | IF YOU HAVE A DRIVER IN CINDER YOU NEEED 3'rd PARY CI by J2 | 16:40 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | end of sentence, full stop | 16:41 |
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| xyang1 | kmartin: we kind of preserved one or two slave nodes and reuse them | 16:41 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | There's gray area around the "new drivers" | 16:41 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:41 |
| joa | agreed. | 16:41 |
| avishay | thingee: easy for us :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | I don't have the same opinion there as others | 16:41 |
| kmartin | next topic? | 16:41 |
| ayoung | client? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | and have sympathy for new folks being asked to submit their first patch to cinder | 16:41 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: could I setup CI for not my driver? e.g. i'm working on cinder+ceph testing | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | where they'll get dinged for spelling in comments and punctuation | 16:41 |
| hrybacki | ayoung: one more ahead of us still =/ | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | and at the same time try and get a CI system up and running | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: yes please! | 16:42 |
| e0ne | ok:) | 16:42 |
| avishay | i guess redhat should set up for ceph now :) | 16:42 |
| ayoung | hrybacki, its OK, we'll just go ahead and implement' | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: someobdy needs to do that, or Ceph gets removed which would be embarassing | 16:42 |
| ayoung | Silence -> consent | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:42 |
| * DuncanT is setting up more CI for LVM since our exact config isn't being tested by gate | 16:42 | |
| e0ne | avishay: not only radhat interesting on it | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | we'v egot 3 minutes for pools | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | or "i've got 3 minutes" | 16:42 |
| bswartz | since jgriffith has a hard stop can someone else continue the meeting? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | #topic pool impl | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +2 | 16:43 |
| navneet1 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-pool-impl-comparison | 16:43 |
| hemna | I would suggest CI for the FCZM and it's drivers as well. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: can't do that | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | well... | 16:43 |
| navneet1 | here is the comparison | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | I can come back and endmeeting | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | hopefully I won't forget | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:43 |
| guitarzan | set alarm for 17 minutes! | 16:43 |
| navneet1 | guys plz comment on comparison | 16:43 |
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| bswartz | jgriffith: we'll all ping you at 1pm | 16:43 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: someone needs to stop the meeting on your behalf?:) | 16:43 |
| avishay | navneet1: bit of a one-sided comparison...no pluses for winston-d's proposal? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | navneet1: winston-d I have a question.... | 16:44 |
| navneet1 | avishay: we did this approach and found the issues so | 16:44 |
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| hemna | yah the comparison was obviously biased | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | navneet1: winston-d is there any chance at all of working together and compromisign on this? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | navneet1: it seems almost as if this is more a "battle of wills" at this point | 16:44 |
| bswartz | I think the question is has winston-d read this and does he agree or disagree with it | 16:44 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: compromising is ok but basic design tenets need to be kept intact | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | navneet1: basic design tenants like "the conf file is too messy"? | 16:45 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: thr are some valid concerns | 16:45 |
| avishay | I personally don't care as long as it works, but when this issue first came up, I thought along the lines of winston-d's approach, and so I am biased towards it | 16:45 |
| hemna | I still oppose the idea at it's face. the idea of firing up a driver instance for every pool. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | ok... so we are truly pretty well split it seems | 16:45 |
| navneet1 | hemna: we can work with the concern | 16:45 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: why dont we take one point after another and discuss | 16:46 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: good way to compromise :) | 16:46 |
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| asselin | perhaps a separate meeting should be scheduled....or is 4 minutes enough time | 16:47 |
| ayoung | OK, we lost jgriffith I assume? | 16:47 |
| navneet1 | jgriffith: DuncanT:hemna:avishay: can we meet at a common place? and discuss | 16:47 |
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| navneet1 | winston-d: missed you...can we meet | 16:47 |
| kmartin | plus winston-d doesn't appear to be here | 16:47 |
| bswartz | is both winston-d's and navneet's code ready to merge? | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | At this stage I disagree with so much of the comparison I'm not sure we're being at all productive. Once the minor issues with winston's approach are covered, I'm happy to +2 it. I am /not/ happy to +2 the other approach | 16:48 |
| hemna | bswartz, I think winston-d's is still marked as WIP ? | 16:48 |
| bswartz | if both implementation are "code complete" then I think people should look at the code and decide which is less ugly | 16:48 |
| navneet1 | bswartz: approach is the primary concern not the code | 16:48 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +2 | 16:48 |
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| DuncanT | I've looked at the code, read bunches of arguments, I'm not hearing anything new | 16:48 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: I think you are one sided :( | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: partially.... but I'd rather people that "have" silly pools test it | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | and use that as the benchmark | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | I'd like to see the LVM driver extended to support pools... In fact I might just go write that, based on Winston's patch | 16:49 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: winston already has lvm | 16:50 |
| navneet1 | if you want to look | 16:50 |
| hemna | if winston-d's patch is ready, we can test it against our 3par drivers and see how it goes. | 16:50 |
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| navneet1 | Ok let me highlight the comparison points | 16:50 |
| bswartz | navneet1: is there a patch that implements LVM multi pool with your approach? | 16:50 |
| navneet1 | 1. AMQP Message length. | 16:50 |
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| navneet1 | 2. Statistics reporting to various OpenStack components. | 16:50 |
| navneet1 | 3. Pool management and control Granularity. | 16:50 |
| navneet1 | 4. Upgrade simplicity. | 16:50 |
| navneet1 | 5. Dynamic pool activation/deactivation. | 16:50 |
| avishay | navneet1: can multiple pools easily share resources with your model? for example, SSH connections? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: (1) We can send multiple (e.g. one per pool, or a few pools per message) updates /if/ that proves a real issue | 16:51 |
| navneet1 | avishay: yes | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | (2) Concrete example please | 16:51 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: thr are other issues | 16:51 |
| guitarzan | navneet1: multiple processes sharing ssh connections? | 16:51 |
| hemna | #5 seems like a driver issue regardless. | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | (3) Leave that to the driver for now | 16:51 |
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| navneet1 | DuncanT: winston-d presented something in this meet up | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | (4) That's up to the driver | 16:52 |
| hemna | same with #3 | 16:52 |
| navneet1 | for no. 2 | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | (5) That's up to the driver | 16:52 |
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| hrybacki | ayoung: this is a bit of a lengthy article but I'd like your thoughts on it http://blogs.gnome.org/markmc/2014/06/06/an-ideal-openstack-developer/ | 16:52 |
| hemna | I'm not even sure #1 is an issue either. | 16:52 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: # 3 is not for driver but for admin | 16:52 |
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| ayoung | so...I'm a keystone guy. You are probably wondering what I'm doing in the cinder meeting. | 16:52 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: thr is similar thing present for backend | 16:52 |
| hemna | navneet1, disagree | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: Disagree. | 16:52 |
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| navneet1 | hemna: DuncanT: why/ | 16:53 |
| navneet1 | reason? | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: I don't think we're going to have a single good approach initially... we can make it common later | 16:53 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: ok...lets take the best out of both | 16:53 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: but dont agree with winston's approach independently | 16:53 |
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| ayoung | 5 minutes. | 16:54 |
| hemna | eliminate the driver instance per pool and we are closer to winston-d's approach. | 16:54 |
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| DuncanT | navneet1: There's loads of room for that, but the single driver managing many pools and reporting them all via get_stats I really like. | 16:54 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:54 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: hemna: they need to be a service | 16:55 |
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| hemna | no they don't | 16:55 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: even if single driver handling pools | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: If you've any improvements to suggest to Winston's patch, I'd like to see them, but please do it soon (or we can add them later... many cinder features evolve slowly) | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: Why do they need to be a service? Winston's code *proves* they don't | 16:55 |
| hemna | we use pools now in our drivers and we don't need a separate instance per pool. | 16:55 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: improvments means considerable change and close to mine | 16:55 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: #2 , #3 | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: I totally disagree... I see no major issues with Winston's code | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | 3. Can be built on top of what is there | 16:56 |
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| DuncanT | 2 I don't even know what you mean but any statistic can again be pulled from the response to get_Stats# | 16:57 |
| navneet1 | DuncanT: lets take this offline in a separate discussion | 16:57 |
| ayoung | ++ | 16:57 |
| navneet1 | I dont think its possible to finish it here | 16:57 |
| bswartz | I have a plea -- even if the team is going to go with winston's patch over navneet's, can we please get it done and merged soon so drivers have a chance to implement support in J3? | 16:57 |
| hemna | this is just the same rehash from the last time we talked about this. | 16:57 |
| hemna | we have fundamental disagreements on approach | 16:57 |
| hemna | and as a team I see us pretty much split about this. | 16:57 |
| ayoung | naveet the "here" might be unnecessary in that sentence | 16:57 |
| bswartz | this discussion is dragging on and preventing progress | 16:57 |
| hemna | we aren't going to resolve this in 3 minutes. | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: ++ | 16:57 |
| ayoung | OK...so lets talk client | 16:57 |
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| navneet1 | bswartz: becoz we are discussing abt changing core | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | navneet1: I'll be in the cinder room for an hour after the meeting | 16:58 |
| navneet1 | its neccessary | 16:58 |
| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:58 |
| avishay | ayoung: what's the issue? | 16:58 |
| ayoung | we want to take over | 16:58 |
| bswartz | navneet1: we've had over a month to convince people and I don't see anyone who's convinced | 16:58 |
| ayoung | the security aspects of the https connections | 16:58 |
| ayoung | heh | 16:58 |
| bswartz | unless jgriffith is a secret fan of our approach | 16:58 |
| navneet1 | bswartz: thr is a split you should see that | 16:58 |
| winston-d | bswartz: :) | 16:58 |
| hemna | heh | 16:59 |
| ayoung | so, as you are aware, everyone needs to use keystonetokens | 16:59 |
| navneet1 | bswartz: not fair...sorry | 16:59 |
| hemna | ayoung, ? | 16:59 |
| hrybacki | DuncanT: jgriffith said you might want to be in on the client discussion as well | 16:59 |
| ayoung | and we are trying to make it so that ssl is doen "everywhere" | 16:59 |
| ayoung | at least, make it possible | 16:59 |
| ayoung | and we also want to make sure that if we have any security CVE type issues | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | hrybacki: We're currently seeing breakage with the patch we recently merged, so yeah.... | 16:59 |
| ayoung | we don't need to cut and paste into all core projects | 16:59 |
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| ayoung | plus all of the *aaS projects | 16:59 |
| ayoung | so... | 17:00 |
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| ayoung | hrybacki, where is that link? | 17:00 |
| hrybacki | for the BP? | 17:00 |
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| hrybacki | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+spec/use-session | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 17:00:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| ayoung | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystoneclient_integration_with_component_clients | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-25-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-25-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-25-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ayoung | Heh | 17:00 |
| ayoung | join you guys in #openstack-cindre | 17:01 |
| hrybacki | ayoung++ | 17:01 |
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| DuncanT | ayoung: See you there | 17:01 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 17:01:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:01 |
| browne | hi | 17:01 |
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| * mdbooth waves | 17:01 | |
| arnaud | hi | 17:02 |
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| kirankv | hi | 17:02 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 17:02 |
| garyk | hi | 17:02 |
| tjones | hi guys - lets get started with approved BP status - we have more BP approved (hurrah) | 17:02 |
| tjones | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:02 |
| KanagarajM | do we have meeting agenda link for this meeting | 17:02 |
| tjones | lets skip vui for now cause i don't see him here | 17:03 |
| tjones | garyk you have a couple - lets start with you | 17:03 |
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| garyk | tjones: ok | 17:04 |
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| garyk | tjones: the first is the vmware hot plaug. | 17:04 |
| garyk | there are 3 patches: | 17:04 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90689/8 - cleanup | 17:04 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91005/9 - fix tests | 17:05 |
| garyk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59365/ - actual hot plug | 17:05 |
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| garyk | this code has been languishing since 2013 | 17:05 |
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| garyk | tjones: in addition to this there is the start of the ESX deprecation. Not a BP though | 17:06 |
| tjones | i see that last one still does not have any reviews from this team | 17:06 |
| garyk | thats me. go nigeria! | 17:06 |
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| tjones | im wondering if we should have our own review day for vmwareapi patches to get all of us to sit down and review this stuff. what do you guys think? | 17:07 |
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| garyk | tjones: no, i don't think so. | 17:07 |
| garyk | i just would hope that people would review the code as they do with the other code. | 17:07 |
| garyk | reviews are a real issue with no vmware cores | 17:08 |
| tjones | well i've been asking people to review that patch for 3 weeks and we (including me) are not doing it | 17:08 |
| tjones | so…… | 17:08 |
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| garyk | at the moment we are also blocked by minesweeper | 17:08 |
| vuil | hi | 17:08 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: I've been wondering if it's worth having a maximum queue length beyond which there's no point in anybody doing anything other than review | 17:08 |
| arnaud | apparently not anymore | 17:08 |
| tjones | yeah i was going to mention that - it's slowly getting back on it's feet | 17:08 |
| garyk | so i guess we have a fairly decent excuse at the moment | 17:09 |
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| garyk | mdbooth: there are about 40 vmware patches | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | garyk: I'm looking at a list. Needs some tidying. | 17:09 |
| garyk | about 30 are trivial | 17:09 |
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| garyk | what do you mean tidying? | 17:09 |
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| mdbooth | garyk: Perhaps we need a triage exercise, too | 17:09 |
| garyk | there are criticla bugs that we need to beg guys to review | 17:09 |
| garyk | what more do we need? | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | I mean, if we can only get patches reviewed at rate X, there's no point in producing patches faster than rate X | 17:10 |
| tjones | lets hold this topic until open discussion ok? | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Sure, not important for this meeting anyway | 17:10 |
| tjones | vui - how's your work going? | 17:10 |
| garyk | mdbooth: i do not agree with that. we might as well stop developing then | 17:10 |
| mdbooth | garyk: +1 ;) | 17:10 |
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| garyk | i will spend tomorrow reviewing…. | 17:10 |
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| vuil | the early patches are waiting on minesweeper. | 17:11 |
| vuil | one more phase 2 patch is getting updated. | 17:11 |
| tjones | you have refactor, ova, and vsan approved as well as oslo.vmware - you have a ton on your plate | 17:11 |
| mdbooth | Where's minesweeper's queue? | 17:11 |
| vuil | phase 3 as well. | 17:11 |
| tjones | mdbooth: i think it is only an internal link | 17:11 |
| vuil | oslo.vmware integration was refreshed, hopefully others can put some review eyes, or help with updating it too. | 17:11 |
| garyk | mdbooth: at the moment it is doing about 4 reviews a day :( | 17:12 |
| vuil | ova/vsan are heavily dependent on the refactoring and oslo.vmware | 17:12 |
| garyk | there is an issue on the internal cloud. | 17:12 |
| tjones | yeah i think you may need a hand. are there specific things people can help with? | 17:12 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: I'm happy to take on maintenance of the refactor patches | 17:12 |
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| mdbooth | And/or oslo.vmware integration | 17:13 |
| * mdbooth has been looking at both of those a fair bit anyway | 17:13 | |
| vuil | oslo.vmware is one that we held off for the refactoring, but in the interest of time, I think we need to get back to reviewing them. | 17:13 |
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| vuil | That will needs some fixin. I think mdbooth mentioned something I noticed as well re: session management. | 17:13 |
| tjones | ok so just review review review then ? | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Yeah, that's not a big fix iirc. | 17:14 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: And rebase, rebase, rebase | 17:14 |
| vuil | mdbooth: yeah. | 17:14 |
| tjones | who was taking over the epemeral disk BP from tang? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-vmware-disk-usage | 17:14 |
| garyk | i posted the bp | 17:15 |
| garyk | i do not recall seeing any comments | 17:15 |
| garyk | i'll do the dev | 17:15 |
| tjones | can you change the assignee to you?? it's approved btw | 17:15 |
| garyk | ah, i did not see that | 17:15 |
| garyk | i am on it then | 17:15 |
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| tjones | thanks | 17:15 |
| tjones | arnaud: how is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/storage-policies-vmware-store going? | 17:15 |
| arnaud | will start to work on it today | 17:16 |
| arnaud | I need to do a few modifications | 17:16 |
| tjones | ok anything else about approved BP before moving on? | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: Can we try to ensure that work is based on oslo.vmware? | 17:16 |
| arnaud | yep | 17:16 |
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| mdbooth | I know it's a bit of a moving target atm | 17:16 |
| arnaud | definitely | 17:17 |
| tjones | #topic BP in review | 17:17 |
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| arnaud | I posted | 17:17 |
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| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:17 |
| arnaud | a couple of patches | 17:17 |
| arnaud | to oslo.vmware | 17:17 |
| arnaud | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102409/ | 17:17 |
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| tjones | #undo | 17:17 |
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| arnaud | which is needed to not have to specify the wsdl location manually .... | 17:17 |
| tjones | great | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: You'll want to rebase that on top of rgerganov's oslo.vmware pbm patch | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102480/ | 17:18 |
| tjones | hartsocks was working on a wsdl repair BP #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/autowsdl-repair should this be included or different? | 17:18 |
| arnaud | there is no overlap | 17:18 |
| arnaud | afail | 17:19 |
| arnaud | afaik | 17:19 |
| arnaud | different tjones | 17:19 |
| tjones | ok i didn't open it up and look :-) | 17:19 |
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| mdbooth | tjones: That's only relevent to older vsphere iirc, right? | 17:19 |
| tjones | ok lets go to BP in review | 17:19 |
| tjones | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:20 |
| tjones | kirankv: hows your going? | 17:20 |
| kirankv | had reviews and have responded back | 17:20 |
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| kirankv | We are addressing the race condition as well using the same locks used by the image cache cleanup | 17:21 |
| tjones | ok i see you are in discussion with jaypipes on this one | 17:21 |
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| kirankv | are there concerns on using the config option for cross datastore linked clones? | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | kirankv: link? | 17:22 |
| kirankv | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98704/ | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | what did I do? :) | 17:22 |
| mdbooth | Did we get an answer on the performance impact of that? | 17:23 |
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| kirankv | @jaypipes: do you have further concerns based on my response | 17:23 |
| tjones | lol - we were discussing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98704/5 | 17:23 |
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| jaypipes | kirankv: gimme a few...will respond within 10 mins | 17:24 |
| jaypipes | (on the review) | 17:24 |
| tjones | ok any other BP we need to discuss? | 17:25 |
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| * mdbooth would still be nervous about creating a performance bottleneck, but not enough to make a fuss about it | 17:25 | |
| garyk | mdbooth: can you please elaborate about the issue | 17:25 |
| garyk | i have not been following the review discussion | 17:25 |
| mdbooth | garyk: Later | 17:25 |
| mdbooth | But sure | 17:26 |
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| KanagarajM | if no other BP, i would like to discuss on the review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99623/ | 17:26 |
| tjones | if we run out of time we can move over to -vmware | 17:26 |
| vuil | garyk: it was the uncertainty/impact of having lots of VMs from other datastores using a base disk from a single datastore. | 17:26 |
| vuil | seems like the BP change is to not make the behavior of link-cloning across datasores the default. | 17:27 |
| mdbooth | Right. And if you find that you've accidentally created a mess, can you clean it up afterwards? | 17:27 |
| kirankv | mdbooth: since no write operations happen, the impact on performance should be less | 17:27 |
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| kirankv | vuil | 17:28 |
| kirankv | ; | 17:28 |
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| kirankv | vuil: yes the default willbe today's behavior, only improvement will be to do a local copy from another datastore's cache | 17:28 |
| KanagarajM | tjones: i think only 2 mins left over, i want to discuss on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99623/, shall i bring it to -vmware ? | 17:29 |
| tjones | KanagarajM: we have 30 more minutes | 17:29 |
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| tjones | as soon as we are done with the BP we can discuss it | 17:29 |
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| KanagarajM | tjones: sure thanks | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | kirankv: How often is _get_resource_for_node() called, and is vim_util.get_about_info() expensive? | 17:30 |
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| mdbooth | Sorry, above was for KanagarajM | 17:31 |
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| KanagarajM | mboot: get_resource_for_node is called on every instance action and during the driver intialization | 17:31 |
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| mdbooth | vim.get_service_content().about | 17:32 |
| mdbooth | That's not going to involve a round trip, is it? | 17:33 |
| mdbooth | Because the service content object is already cached | 17:33 |
| kirankv | Kanagaraj: get_resource_for_node get called every minute even during stats reporting isnt it? | 17:33 |
| mdbooth | If it's just plucking an already-cached value, I don't see that it matters | 17:34 |
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| mdbooth | KanagarajM: Do I recall some interference with 1 cluster per Nova? | 17:37 |
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| KanagarajM | mdbooth: yea sure, i was proposing 1 cluster per nova-compute by means of multi backend support | 17:38 |
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| kirankv | garyk: can you share your proposal for 1 cluster per nova-compute | 17:38 |
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| garyk | kirankv: at the moment it is just to ensure that we do not have more than one configured | 17:39 |
| tjones | are we done with KanagarajM review? | 17:39 |
| garyk | the idea was to try and drop the nodename but that would break the driver | 17:39 |
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| kirankv | no | 17:40 |
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| kirankv | garyk: so the conf will only have one cluster, is that the correct interpretation | 17:41 |
| KanagarajM | tjones: right now i see 3 reviewers +1 and not sure to whom to get +2, would any one please have a look and provide +2 | 17:41 |
| garyk | kirankv: yes :( | 17:41 |
| mdbooth | Ok, lets step back. Let's not hold up KanagarajM for something which doesn't even have an approved BP, yet :) | 17:41 |
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| garyk | this will mean you will need to run n processes for n clusters | 17:41 |
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| tjones | we can't - none of us are core reviewers. You can go on #openstack-nova and ask for cores to take a look at it | 17:41 |
| garyk | it has lots of stirage implications and i do not like it. but that is what the community wanted | 17:41 |
| tjones | wait until you get a minesweeper run on it though | 17:41 |
| kirankv | ok with Kanagaraj's bp, we can get the same result and also have the nova computes running as different process on a single machine | 17:42 |
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| kirankv | just like how cinder does | 17:42 |
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| garyk | i have yet to look at the bp | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | So, putting the vcenter uuid in the node name makes sense to me | 17:42 |
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| mdbooth | I'm +1 on the design | 17:43 |
| KanagarajM | mdbooth: sure | 17:43 |
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| arnaud | could we switch to another problem? :) | 17:44 |
| KanagarajM | i am done with the review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99623/, but like to continue on the one cluster per nova-compute | 17:44 |
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| tjones | yeah i feel like we have lost momemum - what do you have arnaud. we can contineu in open discussion on the one cluster per compute | 17:44 |
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| arnaud | how to run a periodic task at the driver level :) | 17:45 |
| KanagarajM | in one line: multi backend will be suitable for the proxy nova-computes and it will facilitate to configure as many driver in a nova.conf and run one nova-compute for each of the driver configured in nova.conf | 17:45 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: +1 | 17:45 |
| arnaud | that's the last issue I need to solve to have the iscsi stuff reliable | 17:46 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: Can we kick it off when the driver is initialised? | 17:46 |
| tjones | we have a periodic task that does cache cleanup | 17:46 |
| KanagarajM | ok, its more of how we create the nova.service() for a driver with compute_manager | 17:46 |
| arnaud | last time I talked to Dan Smith, we ended up the discussion by saying you should hook into the image cache clock | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | tjones: That's not ours iirc | 17:47 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: sigh. That's evil. | 17:47 |
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| arnaud | oh yeah | 17:47 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:47 |
| tjones | yeah | 17:47 |
| vuil | mdbooth:+1 | 17:47 |
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| arnaud | that's why I think we need to come with a solution... | 17:47 |
| arnaud | the problem | 17:47 |
| vuil | cleanup cleanup task is common to whoever wants to use it, but can't be for *this* :-) | 17:47 |
| arnaud | being that it seems we have the problem because we are managing a cluster | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: This needs to be discussed on the mailing list | 17:48 |
| tjones | i was not saying we should use the same thread - but we can follow the same pattern right? | 17:48 |
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| mdbooth | I don't think there's any other way we can get consensus on this | 17:48 |
| arnaud | ok let's try that | 17:48 |
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| tjones | ok lets do open discussion cause we already are | 17:49 |
| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:49 |
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| tjones | 11 minutes - go | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Can you give us a status on Minesweeper? | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | That's an 'all hands to the pumps' problem imho | 17:49 |
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| tjones | it's up and running 5 slaves - has a ton of reviews to get through | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | So it's at full tilt, just backlogged because it's been down? | 17:50 |
| tjones | it was derailed by some checkins in tempest, devstack, and some internal stuff | 17:50 |
| tjones | yep | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | Can it temporarily borrow some resources? | 17:50 |
| * mdbooth wonders if anybody knows anything about cloud provisioning resources for it ;) | 17:51 | |
| tjones | not easily - but in the future | 17:51 |
| tjones | lol | 17:51 |
| mdbooth | Ok | 17:51 |
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| tjones | we are getting more gear for it but it has to be wired in | 17:51 |
| mdbooth | Cool | 17:51 |
| tjones | not very cloudy i know | 17:52 |
| tjones | what else folks? | 17:52 |
| mdbooth | The other one I had was about about review consolidation | 17:52 |
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| garyk | minesweepr is back - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59365/ | 17:52 |
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| mdbooth | If something is going to be touched by PBM and/or oslo.vmware and/or spawn, can we please make sure we make an explicit and deliberate decision about which comes first | 17:53 |
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| mdbooth | And rebase accordingly | 17:53 |
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| garyk | mdbooth: i am not sure i follow | 17:54 |
| garyk | this three touch all of the files in the code base for the driver | 17:54 |
| vuil | I think the default is base on spawn, | 17:54 |
| vuil | unless there is strong reason to go other way. | 17:54 |
| mdbooth | vuil: works for me | 17:54 |
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| vuil | depends on what patch touches. | 17:54 |
| garyk | i am in favor, but it would be nice to know if there were eye on these patches. | 17:54 |
| mdbooth | The respawn patches? | 17:55 |
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| mdbooth | s/re// | 17:55 |
| garyk | i think that there will be conflicts and we just need to be pragmatic. | 17:55 |
| garyk | if the conflicts are going to be very big then we should base | 17:55 |
| mdbooth | garyk: +1 | 17:55 |
| garyk | but if it is a line or 2 then that is not really good | 17:55 |
| mdbooth | The PBM stuff was a classic example | 17:55 |
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| garyk | other than the first pacth that code can live in parallel with the rest (i think) | 17:56 |
| tjones | gotta get these refactors merged….. | 17:56 |
| mdbooth | tjones vuil: Would you like me to own the refactor patches, btw? | 17:56 |
| * mdbooth will aggressively update and push for review | 17:56 | |
| * mdbooth isn't nearly as loaded as vuil | 17:57 | |
| garyk | can you push for review ithout being owners? | 17:57 |
| vuil | The would be helpful for the phase 2 stuff. | 17:57 |
| vuil | I am hoping they are mostly ready to go if not for minesweeper. | 17:57 |
| tjones | mdbooth: thanks | 17:57 |
| vuil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87002/ is the last in the phase 2 chain to we need more eyes (hands?) on | 17:58 |
| tjones | mdbooth: can you send that script you have that shows the dependency chain (tired of clicking through…) | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | Didn't I post it? | 17:58 |
| tjones | don't recall seeing it | 17:58 |
| mdbooth | mdbooth/heatmap.git on github | 17:58 |
| tjones | vuil: jenkins barfed on that one | 17:58 |
| tjones | oh it needs a rebase | 17:59 |
| mdbooth | vuil: I'm going to monitor those patches and assume that I can respond/update as required without stomping on your toes | 17:59 |
| tjones | sigh/// | 17:59 |
| vuil | not related | 17:59 |
| tjones | ok 1 more minute | 17:59 |
| vuil | mdbooth: yep. thanks | 18:00 |
| tjones | anything else lets move over to -vmware | 18:00 |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 18:00:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| mdbooth | tjones: Can you post a dailyish Minesweeper status? | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-25-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-25-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-25-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 19:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | not much added to the agenda this week | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| notmyname | so.... | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | is there anything that you have that needs to be raised here in the meeting? | 19:02 |
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| acoles | notmyname: i'd like to briefly mention keystone v3 work | 19:02 |
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| portante | port 6000 | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | acoles: first | 19:03 |
| notmyname | portante: good topic | 19:03 |
| notmyname | acoles: tell me about keystone | 19:03 |
| mattoliverau | So it maybe take more then 5 minutes then, good :) | 19:03 |
| acoles | i have a patch for swifclient that s been hanging around a while https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91788/ | 19:03 |
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| acoles | keystone v3 support has been progressing across other clients | 19:03 |
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| acoles | and we (hp) are very keen to see uniform v3 support in clients | 19:04 |
| notmyname | acoles: can you add a link to that on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:04 |
| notmyname | yes, v3 support is good | 19:04 |
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| acoles | so i'm throwing out an appeal to trade reviews | 19:04 |
| acoles | or i will beg... | 19:04 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, i will add link | 19:04 |
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| cschwede | acoles: i’ll add my review on the patch tomorrow morning | 19:05 |
| acoles | related...i have put up for review the ACL issue as discussed at hackathon | 19:05 |
| acoles | thats a big 'un (mainly tests) | 19:05 |
| anticw | acoles: i'd like to see that as well please | 19:05 |
| acoles | anticw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86430/5 | 19:06 |
| cschwede | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86430/ | 19:06 |
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| acoles | cschwede: thanks! | 19:06 |
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| acoles | cschwede: hey, if i catch a train to the paris sprint i could bug you in person :) | 19:06 |
| cschwede | acoles: you should get an review earlier, but would be great to meet you in Paris! | 19:07 |
| acoles | notmyname: ok, that was all really, polite plea for reviews :) | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ok, great. and you got at least one, which is good. the other should be much easier after cschwede has his on it :-) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | portante: port 6000 | 19:08 |
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| clayg | notmyname: you might should maybe take a survey from core sometime to find out if keystone reviews take longer because they're a lower pority for core reviewers that don't use keystone day to day, or if they just don't have a keystone/devstack setup | 19:08 |
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| portante | port 6000 | 19:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: good idea | 19:08 |
| clayg | acoles: for my part that'll the next review(s) I look at when I have cycles (assuming you add them to PriorityReviews) | 19:08 |
| acoles | cschwede: i'll check diary... | 19:08 |
| notmyname | as I understand it, the reason swift isn't in devstack is because we use ports 6000-6004 and those conflict with X | 19:09 |
| acoles | clayg: thx. and i understand not everyone has keystone experience | 19:09 |
| portante | zaitcev has been working on trying to address reports about port 6000 conflicts | 19:09 |
| * acoles is the unlucky one | 19:09 | |
| clayg | acoles: well, i'm learning :P | 19:09 |
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| portante | see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1107907 | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | portante: Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.redhat.com: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | uvirtbot: lies! | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | notmyname: Error: "lies!" is not a valid command. | 19:10 |
| portante | and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1107908 | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | portante: Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.redhat.com: HTTP Error 404: Not Found | 19:10 |
| portante | uvirtbot: more lies | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | portante: Error: I haven't seen lies. | 19:10 |
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| portante | uvirtbot: you can't see lies | 19:11 |
| uvirtbot | portante: Error: "you" is not a valid command. | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | lol | 19:11 |
| portante | uvirtbot: this is not a fruitful conversation | 19:11 |
| uvirtbot | portante: Error: "this" is not a valid command. | 19:11 |
| zaitcev | I brought it up and someone, IIRC Sam, said that it was too trivial to change in case of conflict, so no need to adjust Swift's defaults. After all they worked for years. | 19:11 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: so you're working inside of RH to move to 62xx for ports | 19:11 |
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| clayg | wtf is going on | 19:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: with uvirtbot or port 6k? | 19:11 |
| portante | uvirtbot: wtf is going on? | 19:11 |
| uvirtbot | portante: Error: "wtf" is not a valid command. | 19:11 |
| clayg | lol | 19:11 |
| cutforth | wow, i'm confused to (about uvirbot) | 19:12 |
| notmyname | portante: do not taunt happy fun bot | 19:12 |
| portante | okay | 19:12 |
| portante | :( | 19:12 |
| clayg | zaitcev: i think that's a fair point, but I also think being friendly neighbors is reasonable too, unfortunately it's NOT trivial for us to change the default because they're in your ring files :D | 19:12 |
| portante | notmyname: we are getting bug reports and folks want that to stop | 19:12 |
| notmyname | are there any obvious objections or problems with changing the ports | 19:12 |
| notmyname | portante: "that"? | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | only that it'll hose anybody who hasn't specified bind_port in their configs and has an existing cluster | 19:13 |
| torgomatic | so, "yes" | 19:13 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: "that" meaning the AVC denials and conflicts with X11 | 19:13 |
| notmyname | portante: oh, the bug reports should stop | 19:13 |
| portante | folks in red hat want less bug reports | 19:13 |
| anticw | port 6000 is a horrible default ... i think changing the docs and defaults is a reasonable thing | 19:13 |
| anticw | existing installations and rings will be fine | 19:13 |
| portante | torgomatic: how will is hose folks who don't have bind_port set? | 19:14 |
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| zaitcev | I was able to ignore X11 for a couple of years, but RHOS(P) folks really like their SElinux for some reason and thus they get attention. | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | anticw: I don't think that's true... if I upgrade, and my object server starts listening on 6200 but my object ring has 6000 in it, then my cluster is broken | 19:14 |
| clayg | torgomatic: oh it's no so terrible as all that, we document everywhere that you should specifiy a port and that it should be 6200 (or whatever) and if you don't set one we use 6000 but whine rather loudly about it and in a couple of releases we change the default | 19:14 |
| anticw | torgomatic: only if you don't have bind_port set ... we have to get people to update the pipeline anyhow | 19:14 |
| clayg | torgomatic: or even better we just refuse to start if you odn't set a bind_port | 19:14 |
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| anticw | right now we insert dlo/slo, gatekeeper, etc ... all magically and potentially wrong | 19:15 |
| zaitcev | Sam's scenario is a problem. But Fedora, RDO, and RHOS always shipped with explicit ports, so I'm peachy here. | 19:15 |
| cschwede | clayg: that - refuse to start without bind_port set | 19:15 |
| torgomatic | if folks think it's worth the hassle, that's fine, but we can't just flip a default and ship it | 19:15 |
| anticw | cschwede: +1 | 19:15 |
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| torgomatic | like clayg said, it'll take at least a couple of releases | 19:15 |
| cschwede | or at least put an explicit warning | 19:15 |
| anticw | docs could happen now | 19:15 |
| zaitcev | I think the best is start with docs. | 19:15 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yup, +1, not worth *my* time - but I get why folks care | 19:15 |
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| anticw | once docs are done, we can require bind_port to be explicit | 19:16 |
| notmyname | making the config value required is nice | 19:16 |
| clayg | yeah docs are easy | 19:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: couldn't hurt - still needs to be over a release | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | clayg understands where I'm coming from :) | 19:16 |
| anticw | i think we should make the pipeline magic more explicity as well | 19:16 |
| anticw | and less magic | 19:16 |
| torgomatic | anticw: sure; the only reason for the magic stuff is to not break things on upgrades | 19:17 |
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| torgomatic | so if folks want to do the multi-release deprecation thing, fine by me | 19:17 |
| clayg | anticw: creiht gholt and dfg had made that request as well, gholt suggested a static offline pipleline generator tool | 19:17 |
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| anticw | sure, but over time it's cumbersome and things like swift 1.13.x put the slo/dlo in the wrong place | 19:17 |
| anticw | so it has to be explicit there anyhow | 19:17 |
| zaitcev | they did? | 19:17 |
| portante | so we are done with port 6000, right? | 19:18 |
| clayg | anticw: well it's not so much that 1.13.x put them in the *wrong* place as we didn't know what was the *right* place | 19:18 |
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| anticw | portante: i think so | 19:18 |
| notmyname | #action change docs to set bind_port to 6200++. then later make it required. then default to that | 19:18 |
| notmyname | portante: ^ | 19:18 |
| portante | the action is to just update docs for the next release, and then a follow-on release is to require bind_port in configs, and then after that move the default? | 19:18 |
| zaitcev | portante: I'm continuing with my work in RDO and I'll look into changing docs, both in-tree and Anne's. | 19:18 |
| anticw | notmyname: if it's required why default? | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | anticw: oh yeah. my mistake. mising stuff up | 19:19 |
| notmyname | #action undo previous action of setting a default | 19:19 |
| portante | if we had that new specs git tree, perhaps this would be a good thing to write up there? | 19:19 |
| * clayg NOT IT! | 19:19 | |
| notmyname | I'm getting that that this afternoon!!! be patient!! | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | sorry I had to go break my shoulder | 19:20 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:20 |
| notmyname | /undo | 19:20 |
| notmyname | portante: yes, that would be perfect for swift-specs | 19:20 |
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| portante | but now you are wolverine, right? so if you can stand up to jean gray, you can get the specs repo up and running, no? :) | 19:20 |
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| briancline | he just went there | 19:21 |
| notmyname | portante: will you be around this afternoon to take a look at -specs? | 19:21 |
| portante | yes | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | great, thanks | 19:21 |
| * portante opened mouth, gotta step up | 19:21 | |
| mattoliverau | by updating docs first, would this include sample config files? That would be enough to get it into devstack right as they tend to just grab the sample configs. | 19:22 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yes, sample configs are docs (or close enough) | 19:22 |
| zaitcev | yes, I said in-tree | 19:22 |
| anticw | speaking of sample docs ... we used to have a good example for tempauth ... at least something you could cut & paste | 19:22 |
| anticw | less so now | 19:22 |
| notmyname | anticw: ? | 19:22 |
| anticw | iirc the latest docs on the deployment guide have everything you need but not in cut & paste format | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | [zaitcev@guren swift-tip]$ ls doc/saio/swift/ | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | account-server object-expirer.conf proxy-server.conf | 19:23 |
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| portante | that is SAIO, but it is a start | 19:23 |
| anticw | zaitcev: yeah, that's good ... just i recall pointing someone to the web-site saying you can cut & paste it ... and turns out that's not quite true | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | #action review tempauth sample config and ensure it's copy/pasteable | 19:25 |
| notmyname | anything other burning issues in your minds? | 19:25 |
| acoles | were we going to revisit the timestamp offset format? | 19:26 |
| clayg | acoles: now 16 hex digits isn't enough!? | 19:26 |
| clayg | acoles: you know storeage policies is merged right? | 19:26 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:26 |
| acoles | clayg: :) | 19:26 |
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| acoles | oh, when? | 19:27 |
| * acoles smirks | 19:27 | |
| notmyname | acoles: do not taunt happy fun clayg | 19:27 |
| cschwede | is there something like a final review for the RC? Or will this just become the release if there are no serious issues? | 19:28 |
| acoles | ok, i thought the 16 digits was a holding position. | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: the latter. it will become the release unless serious issues arise | 19:28 |
| cschwede | notmyname: ok, great! | 19:28 |
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| cschwede | ah, and what about the swiftclient patch for SP? should we merge it be before the release? | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: IMO no because it's not available for the client to use until after swift is release (ie swift is upgraded more slowly than swiftclient) | 19:30 |
| clayg | well when does the RC become final? if the swiftclient change get merged? | 19:30 |
| notmyname | cschwede: that is, it needs to be done soon and in Juno, but not eg tomorrow | 19:30 |
| notmyname | clayg: current target for RC being final is next Thursday, July 3 | 19:30 |
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| clayg | wfm | 19:31 |
| clayg | notmyname: can cschwede add it to the priority reviews page anyway? | 19:31 |
| notmyname | of course! :-) | 19:32 |
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| cschwede | clayg: notmyname: ok, will do so | 19:32 |
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| acoles | BTW I updated that https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:32 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks. to be clear, I think it's just fine if it lands before the final swift release. I just think that's not a requirement for the final release | 19:32 |
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| clayg | notmyname: +1 | 19:33 |
| clayg | for some reason I always though x-newest would stop after it found 3 copies instead of digging to the bottom of handoffs | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | clayg: x-newest is supposed to be expensive | 19:35 |
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| clayg | notmyname: well we use it all the time, versions, container_sync | 19:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: acctually anytime you have a x-timestamp in the request (like e.g. the reconciler does) | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | clayg: by "bottom" you mean the handoff coung of 2*replica, not every single possible handoff (whole cluster) | 19:37 |
| clayg | lol | 19:37 |
| clayg | yeah just what comes of app.iter_nodes | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | clayg: so was that a question for the group? :-) | 19:38 |
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| clayg | nah | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ok. anything else then, or shall we close the meeting | 19:39 |
| notmyname | ? | 19:39 |
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| cschwede | anyone likes to come to Paris next week for a small mid-sprint hackathon? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | meeting done, then | 19:40 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:40 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:40 |
| notmyname | and go to Paris next week :-) | 19:40 |
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| notmyname | or just whenever, really | 19:40 |
| notmyname | cschwede: what's the link? | 19:41 |
| cschwede | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/ParisJuno2014 | 19:41 |
| cschwede | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/ParisJuno2014 | 19:41 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:41 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 19:41:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-06-25-19.01.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-06-25-19.01.txt | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-06-25-19.01.log.html | 19:41 |
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