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HenryG | Who's here for the neutron_db meeting? | 12:59 |
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akamyshnikova | I am | 13:00 |
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HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 9 13:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:01 |
HenryG | Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB | 13:02 |
HenryG | We'll keep it short today | 13:02 |
HenryG | I had an action item from last week, to ask operators how important downgrade is to them. | 13:03 |
HenryG | However, after checking with Mark McClain and Salvatore, the new plan is to support downgrade. | 13:03 |
HenryG | Because we think we can do it as a migration. | 13:03 |
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HenryG | The downgrade direction will basically do nothing for the (un)healing migration. | 13:04 |
akamyshnikova | to support downgrade but do not drop any tables? | 13:04 |
HenryG | akamyshnikova: correct. | 13:04 |
akamyshnikova | HenryG, ok | 13:04 |
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HenryG | So if a deployment downgrades from the healing migration (or later), it will end up with all tables. | 13:05 |
HenryG | This is deemed not to be a problem, since the tables are not used. | 13:06 |
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HenryG | It should be documented so deployers are not concerned when they encounter it. | 13:06 |
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HenryG | I have updated the spec to reflect this. | 13:07 |
akamyshnikova | I look though spec it looks good to me | 13:08 |
HenryG | Most of the work will now lie in getting the migration right, https://review.openstack.org/96438 | 13:08 |
HenryG | jlibosva brought up a tough question, about how to include the models from icehouse for diff | 13:09 |
jlibosva | I was thinking about creating a separate module containing icehouse models...that's like copy paste. | 13:09 |
akamyshnikova | I was thinking about that too | 13:09 |
akamyshnikova | but I think we need some other ideas about this | 13:10 |
HenryG | Sounds like we have one plan. Let's work on that and see where it gets us. | 13:10 |
jlibosva | I think there is no way how to get models from previous versions and we need persistence here. | 13:10 |
jlibosva | I have one thing for Open discussion later | 13:11 |
akamyshnikova | ok, in next patch set I will do changes according this idea | 13:11 |
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HenryG | Thanks akamyshnikova | 13:12 |
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jlibosva | akamyshnikova: if you want, I can provide such module so you can focus on healing script | 13:12 |
akamyshnikova | jlibosva, thanks! It will be great if you help with that :) | 13:13 |
HenryG | great | 13:13 |
HenryG | #topic Open Discussion | 13:13 |
jlibosva | akamyshnikova: ack, I'll start working on that once I'm finished with my current work | 13:13 |
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jlibosva | yay | 13:14 |
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jlibosva | basically current healing script that gathers models from code is capable of syncing db state according to those models. | 13:15 |
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jlibosva | that brings up a question why we can't use it generally for db migrations | 13:15 |
HenryG | It depends on what code base you have present | 13:15 |
jlibosva | so does current migrations because they contain migration scripts | 13:16 |
HenryG | You mean automate generation of migrations? | 13:16 |
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jlibosva | well, using the healing script for db scheme changes, migration scripts could contain only data migrations | 13:17 |
jlibosva | maybe there are some bigger cons that I don't see, so I'd like to know your opinion | 13:18 |
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HenryG | This is outside the immediate scope of the healing migration work, right? | 13:19 |
jlibosva | yes | 13:19 |
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HenryG | I don't have enough expertise to give an answer. | 13:20 |
jlibosva | ok, maybe ML will be better then | 13:20 |
jlibosva | thanks | 13:20 |
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HenryG | Could you start an email thread maybe? I think you should get feedback from Mark and Salvatore at least, and perhaps the sqlalchemy author who now works on openstack. | 13:21 |
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jlibosva | HenryG: got it on my todo list | 13:22 |
HenryG | jlibosva: thanks! | 13:22 |
HenryG | Any other questions? | 13:22 |
jlibosva | nope | 13:23 |
akamyshnikova | I don't have any at this point | 13:23 |
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HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:25 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 9 13:25:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:25 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-09-13.01.html | 13:25 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-09-13.01.txt | 13:25 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-09-13.01.log.html | 13:25 |
HenryG | Thanks akamyshnikova and jlibosva ! | 13:26 |
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akamyshnikova | HenryG, thank you! | 13:26 |
jlibosva | thank you too :) | 13:26 |
jlibosva | see you later | 13:26 |
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salv-orlando | hi people. I obviously forgot about the time change. | 13:43 |
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HenryG | salv-orlando: no problem. I think we are in pretty good shape. There is one tricky issue about getting the icehouse version on the models to compare against, but a solution is being tried. | 13:45 |
salv-orlando | yes I am reading the meeting log | 13:45 |
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salv-orlando | I | 13:46 |
HenryG | sorry, we can move to the neutron channel | 13:47 |
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tnurlygayanov | #startmeeting Mistral weekly meeting | 15:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 9 15:59:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tnurlygayanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral_weekly_meeting' | 15:59 |
tnurlygayanov | Hi there! | 15:59 |
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nmakhotkin | hi! | 16:00 |
tnurlygayanov | welcome to weekly Mistral meeting! | 16:00 |
gokrokve | Hi! | 16:00 |
m4dcoder | Hi | 16:00 |
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tnurlygayanov | Renat on PTO now and I'm again will drive this meeting | 16:01 |
dzimine | hi there! | 16:01 |
tnurlygayanov | let's start from our report for the previous week | 16:01 |
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tnurlygayanov | #topic Status Update | 16:01 |
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tnurlygayanov | on this week we fixed our CI tests and now it works for all commits | 16:02 |
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dzimine | did you flip it to be voting? | 16:02 |
tnurlygayanov | also I saw commits with migration to testr, and now we run all tests in parrallel | 16:03 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, yes, we commit this to infra | 16:03 |
tnurlygayanov | #info Mistral CI will voiting after merge of this commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98799 | 16:04 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, what about your progress on this week? I reviewed several commits from you | 16:05 |
dzimine | did prep steps to introduce the start task, will continue on. | 16:05 |
tnurlygayanov | m4dcoder, what about your progress on this week, could you please share details? :) | 16:05 |
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nmakhotkin | I continue to fix bugs on API side and small fixes in engine | 16:06 |
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tnurlygayanov | #info: <dzimine> did prep steps to introduce the start task, will continue on. | 16:06 |
tnurlygayanov | #info <nmakhotkin> I continue to fix bugs on API side and small fixes in engine | 16:06 |
tnurlygayanov | ok, cool | 16:06 |
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tnurlygayanov | so, on this week we also discussed Mistral UI and what we want to have in this UI | 16:07 |
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nmakhotkin | yes | 16:07 |
tnurlygayanov | nmakhotkin, could you please share some details about that? | 16:07 |
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tnurlygayanov | hm... anybody also from Mistral team on this meeting? | 16:09 |
nmakhotkin | I have a discussion with one guy from Murano, and we decided how this UI will be look like | 16:09 |
tnurlygayanov | nmakhotkin I also suggest to dicuss it with dzimine and Renat now :) | 16:10 |
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nmakhotkin | We discussed inks between namespace <-> actions <-> tasks | 16:10 |
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tnurlygayanov | so, are we ready to describe our new vision on Mistral Wiki? | 16:10 |
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tnurlygayanov | or with bp? | 16:11 |
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dzimine | I know Kirill and Renat were also discussing this topic. How do you plan to capture all these discussions? | 16:11 |
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nmakhotkin | here is the doc - https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/19Q9JwoO77724RyOp7XkpYmALwmdb7JjoQHcDv4ffZ-I/edit | 16:12 |
tnurlygayanov | so, I know that Timur Sufiev(from Murano team) has a good UI expirience and he can help to create user friendly UI for Mistral | 16:13 |
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tnurlygayanov | we can discuss all ideas and select the right way, based on our use cases and roadmap | 16:13 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, m4dcoder, gokrokve could you please review this doc? https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/19Q9JwoO77724RyOp7XkpYmALwmdb7JjoQHcDv4ffZ-I/edit | 16:15 |
gokrokve | Sure. What is a deadline for that? | 16:15 |
tnurlygayanov | #info : new ideas for Mistral UI published in the doc (draft) https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/19Q9JwoO77724RyOp7XkpYmALwmdb7JjoQHcDv4ffZ-I/edit | 16:15 |
dzimine | that’s interesting. | 16:15 |
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dzimine | ok, let’s review and discuss offline on the mailing list. | 16:15 |
tnurlygayanov | gokrokve I'm not shure that we have a dedline for that, we can discuss this doc on the next weekly meeting | 16:16 |
dzimine | Are you guys plan to publish this to the mailing list for Heat/Solum/etc? | 16:16 |
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gokrokve | ok. | 16:16 |
gokrokve | dzimine: yes. It s already shared with engineers from these teams. | 16:16 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, yes, but before that I suggest to discuss these ideas with Mistral team | 16:16 |
dzimine | link to the mailing list? | 16:16 |
tnurlygayanov | ou | 16:17 |
tnurlygayanov | cool | 16:17 |
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m4dcoder | tnurlygayanov: i was afk. i still need to fix my two patch sets and resubmit. also studying the "refine engine-executor" bp and have some questions. but Renat is out of office. i'll review the doc offline. | 16:17 |
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tnurlygayanov | #info <m4dcoder> I still need to fix my two patch sets and resubmit. also studying the "refine engine-executor" bp and have some questions. but Renat is out of office. i'll review the doc offline. | 16:18 |
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tnurlygayanov | m4dcoder, could you please share the links to your patch sets, we will check them? | 16:18 |
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tnurlygayanov | hm.... ok | 16:19 |
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tnurlygayanov | so, let's discuss our plans for the next week | 16:20 |
tnurlygayanov | #topic Plans For The Next Week | 16:20 |
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tnurlygayanov | I plan to review all new bugs on this week, and also I will review our AIs for preparation to incubation request | 16:22 |
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tnurlygayanov | looks like on the next week we will have 'right' CI with voiting devstack gate | 16:23 |
tnurlygayanov | #info <tnurlygayanov> I plan to review all new bugs on this week, and also I will review our AIs for preparation to incubation request | 16:23 |
dzimine | I have two concerns: 1) organizational 2) technical | 16:23 |
nmakhotkin | My plan is to finish current patches and work on bp mistral-openstack-data-accessible-by-default | 16:24 |
dzimine | 1) organizational: we should be more open to the community and among ourselves. | 16:24 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok, let's discuss them | 16:24 |
tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:24 |
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tnurlygayanov | #info <nmakhotkin> My plan is to finish current patches and work on bp mistral-openstack-data-accessible-by-default | 16:25 |
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dzimine | e.g., CI - I know you had some internal planning, but no artifacts shared, so it’s difficult to even review without understanding the context. | 16:25 |
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m4dcoder | i'll have to fix and resubmit them. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94225/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98275/ | 16:25 |
gokrokve | dzimine: +1. We need to share such things | 16:25 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, yes, we want to discuss our CI on this week | 16:25 |
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gokrokve | tnurlygayanov: Do you have any artifacts to share i.e. docs? | 16:26 |
dzimine | yes, I am just making the point that you first have done it, and now ready to discuss :) | 16:26 |
tnurlygayanov | ok, we can do this on todays meeting, on the 'free discussion' part | 16:26 |
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tnurlygayanov | gokrokve right now not, we have just a code | 16:26 |
dzimine | Let’s not make the same with UI, and do some etherpad or blueprint to be open for intput, and have a decision point when we agree what we do. | 16:26 |
tnurlygayanov | gokrokve, it is good idea, we will describe our tests suites on the Mistral Wiki | 16:27 |
gokrokve | dzimine: For UI Timur S. is going to send this document to ML today\tomorrow. | 16:27 |
dzimine | guys sorry I can’t get my point across: it’s not about DESCRIBING what is already done. | 16:27 |
dzimine | It’s about deciding what to do and how to do this. | 16:27 |
gokrokve | dzimine: Yes. This document is a first draft of what can be done | 16:28 |
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gokrokve | There is nothing implemented yet and this is a vision of the future framework which can be used by different projects | 16:28 |
dzimine | Like even little things: swithces to testr: it is 100% good idea I am sure but why not shoot email to mistral mailing list saying ‘we decided to go to testr because of a) & b) and c) | 16:29 |
gokrokve | Someone should draft the first version as otherwise it will be endless loop of e-mails with no actual design | 16:29 |
dzimine | else you look at the review, and all it says in the commit comment is ‘swithc to testr’. | 16:29 |
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dzimine | I am fine with any reasonable form of sharing, and just asking for at the very least sharing the results of Mirantis’ internal decisions. | 16:30 |
dzimine | at the very least. | 16:30 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, about tesrt - this commit surprized me, yes, but it is cool - we have some problem and we have the commit which will fix this problem. | 16:30 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine I'm agree that we should descuss this | 16:31 |
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dzimine | even if not discuss to save on endless discussion, share teh decisions. | 16:31 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, I will discuss this doc with tsufiev and he will publish it in ML (if it's not published yet) | 16:32 |
dzimine | Let’s pracice this on this UI discussion: put proposal, post it out, make sure other people are looped in. | 16:32 |
dzimine | ok now is #2, technical, re CI. | 16:32 |
dzimine | There’s a lot of big refactoring coming. | 16:32 |
dzimine | it will definitely break the tests. | 16:33 |
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dzimine | Two things that may help is 1) make a subset of tests runnable on dev machine without devstack. and 2) hold on making it voting till we stabilize. | 16:33 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, about the short commit messages: +1 for that, so, we can set -1/-2 for that and say 'need to discuss this feature first' | 16:33 |
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tnurlygayanov | hm... | 16:34 |
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dzimine | The refactoring is mainly on Renat, but to what I know it will break. | 16:34 |
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tnurlygayanov | so, we can postpone 'voiting', no problem | 16:34 |
dzimine | Let’s wait till Renat comes back and has some plan on how to refactor. | 16:35 |
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tnurlygayanov | but CI can help to save Mistral in working state | 16:36 |
dzimine | Let’ me hold on now, and Timur please go with the agenda, we’ll discuss CI tests in the open section at the end. | 16:36 |
tnurlygayanov | so, if we want to refactor some part of main functional or API, we should change our tests and after that they will pass | 16:37 |
tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:37 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, m4dcoder, what abour your plan on this week? | 16:38 |
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dzimine | I plan to finish the ‘start task’ | 16:38 |
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tnurlygayanov | #info <dzimine> I plan to finish the ‘start task’ | 16:38 |
tnurlygayanov | cool | 16:38 |
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tnurlygayanov | so | 16:38 |
m4dcoder | fix the two open changes that I have | 16:39 |
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tnurlygayanov | #info plan for this week: <m4dcoder> fix the two open changes that I have | 16:39 |
tnurlygayanov | ok | 16:39 |
tnurlygayanov | hm, we can start our free discussion now | 16:40 |
tnurlygayanov | #topic Free Discussion | 16:40 |
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tnurlygayanov | about the discussion of different new ideas and technicall decissions | 16:41 |
tnurlygayanov | it is really hard to validate that we have the correct changes in patch set, if we don't discuss them with all core reviewers at least | 16:42 |
tnurlygayanov | I suggest ma | 16:42 |
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tnurlygayanov | *sorry | 16:42 |
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dzimine | member:tnurlygayanov: how do you mean? | 16:43 |
tnurlygayanov | I suggest to voite -2 for all commits with new big features, which we don't discuss with all Mistral team or if commit message has only one sentense and we can't understand why this patch set should be merged | 16:44 |
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dzimine | this is too strict, but point taken. Get the discipline of writing and sharing anything big. | 16:45 |
dzimine | ok. | 16:45 |
tnurlygayanov | yes :) | 16:45 |
dzimine | Re CI: do all the devstack tests you guys want are already landed? | 16:45 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, looks like we have base coverage for integration tests now and we don't want to increase the number of this tests, if we plan significant refactoring | 16:47 |
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tnurlygayanov | could you please share some details what we want to change in the nearest future? | 16:47 |
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tnurlygayanov | for CI: I suggest to change tests in the same commit, if we changed something in code | 16:48 |
dzimine | start-task is #1: it’s small but will change all the API. | 16:48 |
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dzimine | shouldn’t break integration tests as the start task parameter will be just ignonred in the post body. | 16:48 |
dzimine | and I’ll change the demo.yaml to add start-task. | 16:49 |
dzimine | The biggest is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-entities-accessibility-regardless-workbooks | 16:49 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok, we can just change our integration and unit tests for these changes | 16:49 |
dzimine | this has a potential to break a lot. | 16:49 |
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tnurlygayanov | if we will do this with small commits, it will be not hard and I'm ready to help with any problems with tests/CI | 16:50 |
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dzimine | we’ll know better when we design it (case in point we need to share desing first, etherpad will be ok) | 16:50 |
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dzimine | I am not touching it this week, it’s just a head’s up. | 16:51 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, yes, so, I will dicuss patch set to infra about voiting Mistral devstack gate with Sergey and he will mark this commit as 'work in progress', and that should help | 16:51 |
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tnurlygayanov | so, if we will have non-voiting all new changes can be easilly implemented with small pathches and tests can be fixed for each new patch set | 16:52 |
dzimine | The other big changing blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/deprecate-requires-in-dsl | 16:52 |
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tnurlygayanov | ok, I want to write these ideas | 16:53 |
dzimine | Yes non-voting, with gradual changes will work. | 16:53 |
tnurlygayanov | #idea - what we want ot change - <dzimine> start-task is #1: it’s small but will change all the API. | 16:53 |
tnurlygayanov | #idea - what we want ot change - <dzimine> and I’ll change the demo.yaml to add start-task. | 16:53 |
dzimine | member:tnurlygayanov: can you find and document the way to run some of integration tests locally on dev machine? | 16:54 |
tnurlygayanov | #idea - what we want ot change - <dzimine> The biggest is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-entities-accessibility-regardless-workbooks | 16:54 |
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tnurlygayanov | #info - what we want ot change - <dzimine> The other big changing blueprint is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/deprecate-requires-in-dsl | 16:54 |
tnurlygayanov | hm... | 16:54 |
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dzimine | E.g., demo.yaml now requires OpenStack, but for magority of API tests we can just use workflow based on echo task (and add async-echo there) | 16:54 |
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tnurlygayanov | yes, it is simple, we use just nosetests <file_with_integrational_tests> | 16:55 |
dzimine | this will require big refactoring in API changes. | 16:55 |
dzimine | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-multiple-workflows | 16:55 |
tnurlygayanov | of course we should have the right configuration file | 16:55 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine, ok, I can share the manual 'how to run Mistral integration tests on the dev environment' tomorrow, I will send the link to ML | 16:56 |
dzimine | cool. | 16:56 |
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tnurlygayanov | #action <tnurlygayanov> I can share the manual 'how to run Mistral integration tests on the dev environment' tomorrow, I will send the link to ML | 16:56 |
dzimine | and think about making some of these tests independent on devstack installation. | 16:57 |
dzimine | do you think it makes sense? | 16:57 |
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tnurlygayanov | dzimine they are independent | 16:57 |
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tnurlygayanov | we run these tests on different labs and I know that nmakhotkin runs them on his dev box | 16:58 |
dzimine | I am looking at api/v1/demo.yaml and it has Nova.create-vm | 16:58 |
tnurlygayanov | so, it is not based only on devstack scripts | 16:58 |
tnurlygayanov | yes | 16:58 |
dzimine | oh, but they require OpenStack. | 16:59 |
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tnurlygayanov | yes, of course they are required OpenStack :) | 16:59 |
dzimine | I mean that most of these tests don’t require OpenStack connection | 16:59 |
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dzimine | only keystone authentication needs to be testsed with OpenStack. | 16:59 |
tnurlygayanov | dzimine, it is integration tests, we want to test different scenaries | 17:00 |
tnurlygayanov | and our main use cases now is to deploy something. Using devstack gate we can deploy something on OpenStack | 17:00 |
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dzimine | yes, I don’t disagree, I am just saying we can break them further and have some which are independent on OpenStack, marked somehow so taht we can skip OpenStack dependent. | 17:01 |
tnurlygayanov | if we don't want to use OpenStack, we can run simple integration tests, which are not required the OpenStack installation | 17:01 |
tnurlygayanov | hm.. | 17:01 |
tnurlygayanov | it is interesting | 17:01 |
dzimine | how to run simple integration tests? May be that’s what I am looking for? | 17:02 |
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sarob | Guys, it's time | 17:02 |
dzimine | Ok. | 17:02 |
tnurlygayanov | yes, sorry | 17:02 |
sarob | np | 17:02 |
tnurlygayanov | we can continue in #openstack-mistral | 17:02 |
tnurlygayanov | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 9 17:02:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral_weekly_meeting/2014/mistral_weekly_meeting.2014-06-09-15.59.html | 17:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral_weekly_meeting/2014/mistral_weekly_meeting.2014-06-09-15.59.txt | 17:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral_weekly_meeting/2014/mistral_weekly_meeting.2014-06-09-15.59.log.html | 17:03 |
sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:03 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 9 17:03:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:03 |
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dguitarbite | rollcall | 17:03 |
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matjazp | hi all | 17:03 |
rluethi | hey | 17:03 |
dguitarbite | hello | 17:03 |
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sarob | Morning/evening | 17:04 |
dguitarbite | gday | 17:04 |
sarob | Let's start with the leads and get updates | 17:04 |
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sarob | #topic stable update | 17:04 |
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sarob | rl or dguitarbite? | 17:05 |
sarob | Wait sorry just | 17:05 |
dguitarbite | I believe I am the lead | 17:05 |
sarob | Dguitarbite | 17:05 |
dguitarbite | sorry my bad | 17:05 |
sarob | Nope I'm | 17:06 |
sarob | Still getting used to change | 17:06 |
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sarob | Dguitarbite your floor | 17:06 |
dguitarbite | yep | 17:06 |
dguitarbite | well, I guess we could not work at all because the repo folder is frozen | 17:06 |
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dguitarbite | still working on labs and install guide scetion | 17:07 |
dguitarbite | *section | 17:07 |
sarob | annegentle responded to the thread | 17:07 |
dguitarbite | but could not push any changes at al | 17:07 |
dguitarbite | l | 17:07 |
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sarob | So I'm hoping to get the stackforge patch through today | 17:08 |
rluethi | that one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96334/ | 17:08 |
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sarob | First patch will be to move the training content | 17:08 |
sarob | Yup that one | 17:08 |
dguitarbite | kool | 17:08 |
sarob | I have asked annegentle to add to the review | 17:09 |
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dguitarbite | nice | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | do you need +1's there? | 17:09 |
sarob | Feel free to add to the review | 17:10 |
dguitarbite | kool | 17:10 |
sarob | Remember this is new ground | 17:10 |
sarob | So infra is a bit wary | 17:10 |
sarob | Understandable | 17:10 |
dguitarbite | yes, I can understand | 17:10 |
dguitarbite | we may touch 3-4 projects atleast for the testing part | 17:11 |
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dguitarbite | as we need to validate shell scripts, puppet/python (in near future) | 17:11 |
dguitarbite | n xml | 17:11 |
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dguitarbite | may be even vagrant, etc. | 17:11 |
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sarob | Right | 17:11 |
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sarob | You think we should just use the same tests for our repo? | 17:12 |
sarob | To start | 17:12 |
rluethi | For the manuals, it would make sense. For code, openstack-manuals didn't have much. | 17:13 |
dguitarbite | yep | 17:13 |
dguitarbite | I think we can even plan to update the test-cases for other repos to tweak n add our bits in there | 17:14 |
dguitarbite | if required | 17:14 |
dguitarbite | dont need to re-invent the wheel, and also overburden our tiny set of contributors | 17:14 |
sarob | Go ahead and add in plans to stable subsection of the wiki | 17:14 |
dguitarbite | rluethi: its totally up to us now, how to design n implement n stuff | 17:15 |
sarob | It's your part | 17:15 |
rluethi | Testing in other projects is very much focused on Python. A bit sphinx, docbook, too. | 17:15 |
rluethi | devstack has still an open bug to use the bash8 package. | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | rluethi: yeah, devstack's coming up with bash8 | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | we can re-use and help them build that | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | along side | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | what do you think? | 17:15 |
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dguitarbite | *along with our usecases | 17:16 |
rluethi | I think we should use the opportunity to try something in our repo. Then we can offer it to others. | 17:16 |
rluethi | Unless they are faster, then we copy them. | 17:16 |
rluethi | Seems unlikely right now. | 17:16 |
rluethi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1320535 | 17:17 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1320535 in devstack "DevStack should use new bash8 pypi package" [Undecided,New] | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | rluethi: if they are faster, I suggest that we should use their stuff instead of copying | 17:17 |
sarob | #action infra team to explore new tests | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | otherwise, I agree | 17:17 |
rluethi | with copying, I mean tox.ini or whatever will be used. | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | sure | 17:17 |
sarob | #action sarob move over content to stackforge training-guides repo | 17:17 |
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sarob | So blueprints | 17:18 |
sarob | And spec | 17:18 |
sarob | I'd like to stop using trello | 17:18 |
sarob | And start using spec and blueprints | 17:18 |
dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite update training-manuals wiki with the recent changes, sub-groups and their leads | 17:18 |
dguitarbite | sorry, continue | 17:19 |
dguitarbite | +1 | 17:19 |
sarob | Wiki mostly updated, but have at it | 17:19 |
sarob | np | 17:19 |
dguitarbite | ok | 17:19 |
matjazp | sarob: agree | 17:19 |
dguitarbite | sarob: agree | 17:19 |
sarob | Cool | 17:19 |
rluethi | sarob: agree | 17:20 |
sarob | #action sarob will create spec subdir | 17:20 |
sarob | #action training team will start following the spec to blueprints process | 17:20 |
sarob | #action trello use will be discontinued | 17:21 |
sarob | Ready to move on to testing? | 17:21 |
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matjazp | sarob: change should be announced to others on Trello | 17:21 |
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sarob | Agreed | 17:22 |
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dguitarbite | matjazp: +1 | 17:22 |
sarob | #action sarob will announced trello discontinue on docs ML and trello | 17:22 |
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matjazp | testing: I've been wondering...how is our testing connected to openstack certifications? no connection? | 17:23 |
sarob | #topic testing update | 17:23 |
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sarob | Hmm, good question | 17:23 |
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sarob | Right now it's not | 17:23 |
matjazp | but we want it to be? | 17:23 |
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sarob | Since I'm on the board, I need to tread lightly here | 17:24 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: we may use those tests for providing certificates in future | 17:25 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: not sure as of now, but theres a good chance in future | 17:25 |
sarob | Mark collier is developing the foundation plan | 17:25 |
matjazp | sarob: how far are they | 17:25 |
sarob | It would be great if our work helped that effort | 17:25 |
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sarob | I can ask him to join us next week and discuss | 17:25 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: ok, we might be able to contribute a few ideas | 17:26 |
sarob | #action sarob invite mark collier to next meeting to discuss status of foundation training certification | 17:26 |
matjazp | sarob: sure... but generally speaking... nothing is decided jet about it, right? not even if there will be certifications? | 17:26 |
sarob | Matjazp probably so | 17:27 |
sarob | Matjazp haven't discussed for about month | 17:27 |
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sarob | anything else? | 17:28 |
rluethi | related to testing? | 17:28 |
matjazp | nope | 17:28 |
dguitarbite | well, we need a party this summit | 17:28 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: what do you say? | 17:29 |
sarob | umm | 17:29 |
sarob | Anything more about testing? | 17:29 |
rluethi | no. but something else. | 17:29 |
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sarob | Matjazp can you update the state and plans for the testing subgroup? | 17:30 |
sarob | On the wiki | 17:30 |
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matjazp | sarob: ok.. will do | 17:31 |
sarob | #action dguitarbite update wiki stable state and plans | 17:31 |
sarob | #action matjazp update wiki testing state and plans | 17:32 |
sarob | #topic development update | 17:32 |
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sarob | I have a couple of people from comcast | 17:33 |
sarob | Joining | 17:33 |
sarob | Us | 17:33 |
dguitarbite | sarob: sounds really good | 17:33 |
sarob | I'm starting to train them today | 17:33 |
sarob | Intel is slowly coming around | 17:33 |
sarob | It probably will be two weeks before I get a name | 17:34 |
sarob | Redhat, hp, and Rackspace are maybes | 17:34 |
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dguitarbite | well, good enough time for us to get comfy on new ground | 17:34 |
sarob | One step at a time | 17:34 |
sarob | True | 17:34 |
sarob | I'm itching to get Dev guide going but the incubation work is priority | 17:35 |
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sarob | #info comcast new devs being trained this week. They will join the meeting next week. | 17:36 |
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sarob | #topic infrastructure update | 17:37 |
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dguitarbite | repo folder locked down, could not get any code pushed, rluethi has done some work on training-labs | 17:38 |
rluethi | so far, scripts used VirtualBox guest additions for installation. | 17:38 |
dguitarbite | we will push it as soon as we get access to the new repo on stackforge (or where ever it will be placed) | 17:38 |
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sarob | I moved one blueprint to training-guides | 17:38 |
rluethi | that is necessary on windows; | 17:38 |
sarob | Other I left under devstack | 17:38 |
dguitarbite | sarob: which one? | 17:38 |
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dguitarbite | training-labs? | 17:38 |
sarob | Yup, from docs | 17:39 |
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sarob | Just organizing | 17:39 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: yeah, that time training-labs was incubated. Thanks for moving it | 17:39 |
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sarob | np | 17:39 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: have another question ... any ground rules for the new repository? | 17:41 |
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sarob | #action rluethi, dguitarbite update wiki infra section | 17:42 |
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sarob | Dguitarbite like what? | 17:42 |
dguitarbite | like, as core-reviewers | 17:43 |
dguitarbite | any specific guidelines | 17:43 |
dguitarbite | or we gotta design that too? | 17:43 |
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sarob | Yeah, our repo, our rules | 17:44 |
sarob | I'd say each lead as core reviewer to start | 17:44 |
sarob | Adding Colin as core reviewer | 17:45 |
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dguitarbite | yep | 17:45 |
sarob | Core reviewers get notified of each patch | 17:45 |
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rluethi | how do we coordinate? especially in the beginning, a weekly IRC meeting will not be enough. ML? | 17:46 |
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sarob | I'd like to use docs ML for now | 17:46 |
rluethi | sarob: ok | 17:46 |
sarob | We can breakout if we create too much noise | 17:46 |
dguitarbite | sarob: can we host our own IRC channel? | 17:46 |
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annegentle_ | hi sarob dguitarbite rluethi catching up | 17:47 |
rluethi | hey! | 17:47 |
sarob | #openstack-training-guides channel, same as repo sounds good | 17:47 |
annegentle_ | dguitarbite: yep, you just patch one of the openstack-infra repos to get your own irc channel | 17:47 |
dguitarbite | annegentle_: hello | 17:48 |
annegentle_ | sarob: I wrote back on the review and mailing list threads | 17:48 |
dguitarbite | annegentle_: sure thing | 17:48 |
annegentle_ | and agreed on using the openstack-docs ML | 17:48 |
sarob | annegentle_ got it thx | 17:48 |
annegentle_ | I think there's plenty of crossover interests | 17:48 |
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annegentle_ | any questions feel free to ask | 17:48 |
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rluethi | One concern I have: how much are the scripts supposed to be training material? | 17:49 |
sarob | #action training infra team patch Openstack infra for creating, logging channel #openstack-training-guides | 17:49 |
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rluethi | The doc team doesn't like manuals that use non-core tools (i.e. debian's preseed). | 17:50 |
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rluethi | but if we use devstack, that's pretty much what we're doing. | 17:50 |
sarob | dguitarbite have you | 17:50 |
rluethi | the scripts will install, but they won't be readable. | 17:50 |
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annegentle_ | rluethi: thinking | 17:50 |
sarob | dguitarbite znc before? | 17:50 |
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annegentle_ | rluethi: I think the idea of having scripts for anyone to set up a training labs is flat-out awesome. | 17:51 |
annegentle_ | rluethi: but other training groups haven't used devstack | 17:51 |
dguitarbite | znc? | 17:51 |
annegentle_ | and I'm not entirely sure why | 17:51 |
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sarob | dguitarbite irc bouncer | 17:51 |
matjazp | rluethi: but scripts can be manuals too... I sometimes read devstack :) | 17:51 |
annegentle_ | matjazp: for sure | 17:51 |
rluethi | devstack is hard to read for the uninitiated. | 17:52 |
sarob | dguitarbite I'd like to make required for core reviewers | 17:52 |
annegentle_ | rluethi: I think that at Rackspace the "all in one" nature of devstack made it not realistic enough | 17:52 |
rluethi | they have generic commands like install_package. | 17:52 |
annegentle_ | rluethi: so I'd lean towards more realistic labs | 17:52 |
dguitarbite | sarob: sure thing | 17:52 |
dguitarbite | sarob: action? | 17:52 |
sarob | dguitarbite you want to take on setting it up? | 17:53 |
dguitarbite | sarob: yep | 17:53 |
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dguitarbite | annegentle_: one doubt, is it worthwhile getting devstack tuned to our requirements or just keep our scripts ready to be used? | 17:53 |
rluethi | we are using some of devstack's functions already, but the question is, how far do we want to go? | 17:53 |
dguitarbite | *keep separate copy of our scripts | 17:53 |
sarob | #action infra team set irc bouncer znc for the training team whole | 17:53 |
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sarob | #action training team core reviewers need to use irc bouncer | 17:54 |
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sarob | Time check | 17:54 |
sarob | you guys keep discussing | 17:55 |
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dguitarbite | ok | 17:55 |
sarob | We will need to move it to the docs channel | 17:55 |
sarob | #topic any other business | 17:56 |
annegentle_ | dguitarbite: hm, good question | 17:56 |
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annegentle_ | We can keep chatting in openstack-doc | 17:56 |
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matjazp | I'll have to go guys... see you next week... just update wiki with stuff that you decide, and I'll read it later | 17:57 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: see ya | 17:57 |
rluethi | bye | 17:57 |
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sarob | Dguitarbite annegentle_ why don't we just use #openstack-docs instead of creating a new training channel? | 17:57 |
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sarob | matjazp see you later | 17:58 |
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sarob | I'd rather keep the docs team in the loop the maximum amount | 17:58 |
dguitarbite | sarob: lets conti. on docs channel | 17:59 |
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annegentle_ | sarob: you sure could | 17:59 |
sarob | Until we become too noisy | 17:59 |
annegentle_ | sarob: yah | 17:59 |
sarob | Cool | 17:59 |
sarob | #action rescind new channel action above | 18:00 |
sarob | Done | 18:00 |
sarob | And done | 18:00 |
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sarob | Good meet | 18:00 |
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sarob | Training out | 18:00 |
sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 9 18:00:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-09-17.03.html | 18:00 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-09-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-09-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 9 18:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
anteaya | who is here for the third-party meeting? | 18:01 |
SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:01 |
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ArxCruz | o/ | 18:01 |
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anteaya | that's a start | 18:01 |
anteaya | thanks for being here | 18:01 |
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anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
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anteaya | here is our agenda for today | 18:02 |
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anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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anteaya | so welcome | 18:02 |
anteaya | thanks for being here | 18:02 |
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anteaya | #link The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
anteaya | the openstack misison, in case you forgot or are new | 18:02 |
anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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anteaya | we had no open action items for last week | 18:03 |
anteaya | onward | 18:03 |
anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:03 |
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sweston | o/ | 18:04 |
anteaya | third party documentation is here: Documentation: #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:04 |
anteaya | and we have a new section on getting non-voting systems voting | 18:04 |
mestery | o/ | 18:05 |
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anteaya | this will become a staple as new folks integrate with our communication system #info How To Ask Questions The Smart Way: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 18:05 |
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anteaya | and I am working though items on this etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-infra-improving-3rd-party-testing | 18:06 |
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anteaya | and one of them is about name formating | 18:06 |
anteaya | I am working on standardizing name formatting for third party accounts: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automated-gerrit-account-naming-format | 18:06 |
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anteaya | currently the format guidelines are as follows: | 18:07 |
anteaya | Ci if it votes or ever might in the future, Bot if it will never ever vote | 18:07 |
anteaya | Format: | 18:07 |
anteaya | username --> lowercase, hyphens between words, matches Full Name, -ci or -bot at the end | 18:07 |
anteaya | Full Name --> capitalize, upper(minimal) and lowercase, matches username, CI, -CI, -ci or Bot, -Bot, -bot at the end | 18:07 |
anteaya | {company name}-{thing it is testing}-{ci|bot} | 18:07 |
anteaya | remove test, testing, jenkins, openstack, tempest, user from the names | 18:07 |
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anteaya | we have an infra meeting tomorrow and I will get more feedback on these guidelines and then they will be published | 18:07 |
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anteaya | but that is where they are right now, in draft form | 18:07 |
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anteaya | any other announcements? | 18:08 |
anteaya | moving on | 18:08 |
anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:08 |
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anteaya | anyone have any items from an openstack program? | 18:08 |
anteaya | mestery: anything from neutron this week? | 18:08 |
anteaya | I'll go with no | 18:09 |
anteaya | and move on | 18:09 |
anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:09 |
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anteaya | any deadlines or code heading for deprecation that we need to talk about this week? | 18:09 |
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anteaya | okay | 18:10 |
anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:10 |
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anteaya | any third party accounts want or need to discuss anything about their account? | 18:10 |
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sweston | yes | 18:11 |
anteaya | sweston, you have the floor | 18:11 |
sweston | what is the recommendation for multiple ci accounts in an organization? | 18:11 |
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anteaya | that depends on what you are doing | 18:11 |
anteaya | vmware has one account, minesweeper that does both nova and neutron and it seems to work for them | 18:12 |
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anteaya | salv-orlando: ping | 18:12 |
sweston | ok | 18:12 |
anteaya | it depends on how you want it to return results and how many projects you intend on testing | 18:12 |
sweston | maybe we can discuss more later | 18:13 |
anteaya | from a third-party account admin perspective, I would love it if all companies had one per company and then I knew who to ping for each company | 18:13 |
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anteaya | but that doesn't tend to be how companies want to do it from their side | 18:13 |
anteaya | well we have 47 minutes left in the meeting | 18:13 |
sweston | that would be optimal | 18:13 |
ArxCruz | IBM have the PowerKVM account who test openstack in general running in power, as well as another who test only openstack in db2 | 18:13 |
anteaya | and hopefully others will read the logs, so it would be good to discuss now | 18:13 |
sweston | ok, then we can discuss now, yay!! | 18:14 |
anteaya | yes | 18:14 |
anteaya | sweston: you are brocade, if I remember correctly | 18:14 |
anteaya | yes? | 18:14 |
sweston | so, we have multiple projects we would like to upstream | 18:14 |
sweston | yes | 18:14 |
anteaya | great | 18:14 |
anteaya | I remember talking to a brocade person at the summit | 18:14 |
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anteaya | and told them that for my purposes, it would be optimal to have you, sweston, as point person for all the brocade accounts | 18:15 |
sweston | yup, I wasn't able to make it because of another project | 18:15 |
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anteaya | and then you and I can talk and you can ensure internally brocade is doing "the right thing" | 18:15 |
anteaya | understood | 18:15 |
mestery | annegentle_: Nothing from Neutron (apologies for the delayed reply) | 18:15 |
anteaya | but that conversation happened | 18:15 |
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anteaya | mestery: np, figured you had shown up and gotten pulled off on something else | 18:16 |
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sweston | are there other companies contributing multiple projects with only one gerrit account? | 18:16 |
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anteaya | sweston: so yeah, if you are able to be brocade third-party account manager, that would be way easier for me, even if you do keep all three brocade accounts | 18:16 |
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anteaya | sweston: ahhhh | 18:17 |
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sweston | hehe | 18:17 |
anteaya | smokestack | 18:17 |
sweston | Yes, I will be third-party account manager | 18:17 |
sweston | for Brocade | 18:17 |
ArxCruz | sweston: yes, PowerKVM is testing multiple projects | 18:17 |
anteaya | yay!! | 18:17 |
anteaya | thanks so much | 18:17 |
anteaya | smokestack tests many different projects | 18:17 |
sweston | :-) | 18:18 |
sweston | so what is the difference | 18:18 |
sweston | between running smokestack and setting up your own ci | 18:18 |
anteaya | smokestack is dprince's ci | 18:18 |
anteaya | he decides what smokestack tests | 18:18 |
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anteaya | the code is up somewhere | 18:19 |
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sweston | so for a reference implementation | 18:19 |
sweston | that might be a place to start? | 18:19 |
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sweston | or even recommend | 18:19 |
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anteaya | sweston: it is used on our pages as an example of how to set up a third party ci | 18:20 |
sweston | understood | 18:20 |
anteaya | but I would suggest a workflow more along the lines of what we are currently using in openstack-infra now | 18:21 |
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anteaya | are you testing propriatry code or just hardware? | 18:21 |
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anteaya | or should I say propriatry hardware or just code | 18:21 |
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dprince | sweston: probably not recommended unless you like Ruby, it evolved into what was the first example of 3rd party testing in OpenStack and there are now many other examples of how to do that too | 18:22 |
sweston | ok, just want to verify that I am on the right track, am using the infra manifests | 18:22 |
anteaya | sweston: yes that is probably a good place to start | 18:22 |
anteaya | dprince: everywhere, all the time :D | 18:22 |
sweston | dprince: understood, I do like ruby | 18:22 |
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sweston | so moving on to next question | 18:23 |
ArxCruz | sweston: Our CI is very based on openstack ci, even the puppet files we use are based on openstack ones | 18:23 |
ArxCruz | I can give you some tips | 18:23 |
sweston | ArxCruz: ok, thank you :-) | 18:23 |
ArxCruz | right now we have zuul, nodepool, jenkins, and even puppetboard running in our infra | 18:23 |
ArxCruz | just like upstream | 18:24 |
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ArxCruz | our plans is to increase this to use logstash and other cool stuff | 18:24 |
sweston | there are two ways to configure the communication between Gerrit and Jenkins, correct? | 18:24 |
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sweston | the jenkins gerrit trigger, and zuul | 18:25 |
ArxCruz | sweston: I use what upstream use, in this case zuul - gearman - jenkins | 18:25 |
sweston | are those two methods exclusive? | 18:25 |
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sweston | ArxCruz: ok, gotcha. | 18:25 |
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ArxCruz | jenkins have a gearman-job-plugin who connects to gearman | 18:26 |
ArxCruz | so the communication is jenkins <-> gearman-job-plugin <-> gearman <-> zuul | 18:26 |
ArxCruz | and zuul from and to gerrit | 18:26 |
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bookwar | sweston: there are certain limitations when using jenkins with gerrit trigger plugin directly. No support for recheck for example | 18:27 |
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bookwar | zuul is more powerfull | 18:27 |
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sweston | bookwar: thank you :-) was just going to ask about the differences | 18:28 |
bookwar | sweston: our ci is rather small thus we use simplified setup, but we already plan to move to zuul in next month or so because of better scheduling and features | 18:29 |
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sweston | anteaya: no proprietary hardware or code, AFAIK but I will need to check on a few things before making that official | 18:29 |
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anteaya | sweston: if you have no proprietary hardware or code, why do you want to do third-party testing? | 18:29 |
anteaya | sweston: what would you be testing? | 18:29 |
sweston | well, we have the vyatta plugin | 18:30 |
anteaya | sweston: what is that? | 18:30 |
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sweston | and we have adx | 18:30 |
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sweston | vyatta is a virtual router, and adx virtual switch | 18:30 |
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anteaya | and brocade owns those? | 18:31 |
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sweston | excuse me, adx is a hardware switch | 18:31 |
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sweston | yes, Brocade owns them | 18:31 |
anteaya | is adx an opensource switch? | 18:31 |
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sweston | no | 18:32 |
anteaya | okay so you have propriatary hardware, adx | 18:32 |
anteaya | are you going to opensource the code for vyatta? | 18:32 |
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sweston | ok | 18:32 |
anteaya | so you have propriatary code and hardware both | 18:33 |
sweston | anteaya: I need to check on Vyatta, there are licenses | 18:33 |
anteaya | so you are opensourcing the hooks to use the code | 18:33 |
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sweston | yes | 18:33 |
anteaya | since it is the hooks that will be opensource and you intend to merge them into openstack | 18:33 |
anteaya | right? | 18:33 |
sweston | yes | 18:33 |
anteaya | great | 18:33 |
sweston | sorry ... I know that was a long walk for a short drink of water :-) | 18:34 |
anteaya | so you use our test suite to test your hooks with the propriatary stuff | 18:34 |
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anteaya | this is the third-party space, every conversation is a long walk for a short drink of water | 18:34 |
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sweston | hehe | 18:34 |
sweston | need a workflow | 18:34 |
anteaya | right | 18:35 |
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anteaya | talk with ArxCruz and bookwar | 18:35 |
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anteaya | get a jenkins listening to the gerrit stream with a gerrit plugin to start | 18:35 |
sweston | yes, own test suites | 18:35 |
anteaya | comment on the sandbox repo, test > make mistakes > ask questions | 18:35 |
sweston | already have done that ... | 18:36 |
anteaya | once your jenkins is working with the gerrit plugin, move to zuul and friends | 18:36 |
anteaya | great | 18:36 |
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sweston | now doing ci "for realsies" | 18:36 |
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anteaya | do you have zuul set up? | 18:36 |
sweston | but want to get the implementation right the first time | 18:36 |
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anteaya | stable logs, recheck capability | 18:36 |
sweston | I have zuul bootstrapped with puppet | 18:37 |
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anteaya | yes, that is what the sandbox is for | 18:37 |
sweston | haven't started on configuring it yet | 18:37 |
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anteaya | let's see some comments on sandbox patches this week | 18:37 |
anteaya | okay, so do that and ask questions in infra | 18:37 |
ArxCruz | zuul is easy to configure to not report | 18:37 |
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anteaya | make sure you are only commenting once per patchset | 18:37 |
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anteaya | get rid of the comment "staring jobs" | 18:38 |
anteaya | don't post that | 18:38 |
sweston | ok | 18:38 |
anteaya | the post on the sandbox, ping me and we will go over it | 18:38 |
anteaya | ping ArxCruz and bookwar ask questions | 18:38 |
ArxCruz | =] | 18:38 |
anteaya | we will let you know if you are ready to comment on projects | 18:39 |
roeyc | sweston, our setup includes Zuul and Jenkins and using JJB, I can also assist you | 18:39 |
sweston | ok, need to set some realistic expectations, for us and others | 18:39 |
anteaya | you won't be to start, start on the sandbox | 18:39 |
anteaya | sweston: yes | 18:39 |
sweston | roeyc: ok | 18:39 |
anteaya | great, thanks roeyc | 18:39 |
anteaya | roeyc: which system is yours? | 18:39 |
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sweston | how much time should I give as an eta for when we can vote? | 18:39 |
anteaya | none | 18:39 |
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anteaya | you don't know yet, since you have nothing to show us on the sandbox repo | 18:40 |
roeyc | Mellanox | 18:40 |
anteaya | I haven't seen the state of your logs, links, comment message, nothing | 18:40 |
sweston | ok | 18:40 |
anteaya | get me that and we can start setting timelines, in collaboration with the ptls of the projects you want to test | 18:40 |
anteaya | sweston: tesing more than neutron? | 18:41 |
anteaya | roeyc: awesome | 18:41 |
sweston | not right now, no | 18:41 |
sweston | awesome, thank you, everyone for the information and helpful advice :-) | 18:41 |
bookwar | roeyc: hi, from Mirantis Fuel project, by the way :) | 18:41 |
anteaya | sweston: okay so once you have some testing to show me on sandbox, we will chat with mestery to see what he wants to see | 18:41 |
roeyc | bookwar: Hi :-) | 18:42 |
anteaya | sweston: thanks for using this space the way I had hoped it would be used | 18:42 |
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anteaya | roeyc: I'm going to have to stick CI on the end of your name, Mellanox CI | 18:42 |
anteaya | roeyc: to fit with the new naming format | 18:42 |
sweston | anteaya: Yay!! You're welcome :-) | 18:42 |
anteaya | sweston: :D | 18:42 |
anteaya | so anymore gerrit account discussion? | 18:43 |
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luqas | anteaya: fast status | 18:43 |
sweston | not from me, all questions answered | 18:43 |
luqas | sorry I was late | 18:43 |
roeyc | anteaya: Cool | 18:43 |
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anteaya | luqas: np, let's hear from you | 18:43 |
anteaya | roeyc: thanks | 18:43 |
luqas | well we fix our CI | 18:43 |
anteaya | sweston: great | 18:43 |
luqas | it s still based on gerrit plugin | 18:43 |
anteaya | luqas: glad to hear those words | 18:43 |
anteaya | can you share what was wrong? | 18:44 |
luqas | but tests neutron master correctly | 18:44 |
anteaya | it might help someone else | 18:44 |
luqas | our plugin wasn't stacking correctly with the master branch of neutron | 18:44 |
luqas | on devstack | 18:44 |
anteaya | did you find out why? | 18:44 |
luqas | mmm my colleague tomoe was with that... | 18:45 |
anteaya | luqas is midokura | 18:45 |
luqas | guess several things | 18:45 |
anteaya | go ahead | 18:45 |
luqas | well basically we are reporting legitimate failures | 18:45 |
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luqas | we still need to add some logs, and more tests of the suite | 18:46 |
luqas | and the recheck capability | 18:46 |
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luqas | but I guess this is zuul | 18:46 |
luqas | which will be our next step | 18:46 |
anteaya | okay great | 18:46 |
anteaya | good work and thanks for the update on your status | 18:47 |
luqas | anteaya: you're welcome! | 18:47 |
anteaya | :D | 18:47 |
anteaya | anyone else? | 18:47 |
anteaya | I'm going to change the topic to open discussion for the rest of the meeting | 18:47 |
anteaya | #topic Open Discussion | 18:48 |
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anteaya | so now we can discuss anything related to third-party | 18:48 |
anteaya | does anyone have anything that want to talk about? | 18:48 |
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bookwar | anteaya: are there any updates about account wiki pages? | 18:48 |
sweston | yup | 18:48 |
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anteaya | bookwar: this week I am going to create two seed pages, one for gerrit accounts and one for openstack programs | 18:49 |
sweston | when is the latest that our system can be up and still be able to submit code to be included in Juno | 18:49 |
anteaya | if they pass review at tomorrow's infra meeting, I do believe I will be given permission to start informing people | 18:49 |
bookwar | anteaya: cool, thanks | 18:49 |
anteaya | I think I would like to start populating a few in coordination with others until we have a few good examples | 18:50 |
anteaya | and then announce to others | 18:50 |
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anteaya | bookwar: if you would like to be one of the examples that is great, I will ping you after tomorrow's meeting and we can talk | 18:50 |
anteaya | bookwar: is that fair? | 18:50 |
bookwar | anteaya: yes, i'd be glad to help, so ping me if needed | 18:50 |
anteaya | bookwar: great thanks | 18:50 |
anteaya | sweston: that is a question that is project specific | 18:51 |
anteaya | so if you are gearing this question for neutron, we need to hear from mestery | 18:51 |
anteaya | if he is still here | 18:51 |
sweston | anteaya: ok | 18:51 |
mestery | anteaya: Sorry, I am back now, juggling a few too many things, apologies :( | 18:51 |
anteaya | if not, the neutron meeting is in an hour or two, get on the agenda | 18:51 |
mestery | What can I help with? | 18:51 |
sweston | I don't need an answer right now, but will need to have the discussion soon | 18:51 |
anteaya | great, so what are sweston's deadlines fo third party if he wants code in juno? | 18:52 |
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mestery | We just require the system to be voting correctly on the driver/plugin before it can be merged. | 18:52 |
mestery | That's what we've done so far. | 18:52 |
anteaya | mestery: what is a realistic timeframe for includsion in juno | 18:52 |
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anteaya | you want them commenting for 2-3 weeks before they are voting, correct? | 18:53 |
mestery | Juno-2 would be the place to shoot for, after that FPF happens very fast. | 18:53 |
sweston | mestery: optimally how much time would you like for review | 18:53 |
anteaya | right | 18:53 |
mestery | Correct | 18:53 |
mestery | 2-3 weeks. | 18:53 |
mestery | So, Juno-2 would be the ideal deadline | 18:53 |
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anteaya | so ensure your system is stable by mid j-2, to enable you to be voting by j-2 | 18:53 |
anteaya | and j-1 is in 3 days | 18:53 |
mestery | :) | 18:54 |
anteaya | so you have about 3 weeks to get stable, sweston | 18:54 |
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anteaya | so that is your system up and running, stable | 18:54 |
sweston | anteaya: ok | 18:54 |
anteaya | stable logs, comments, gerrit history | 18:54 |
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anteaya | so you need zuul up and running by the end of this week | 18:54 |
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anteaya | or a running zuul for every gerrit account | 18:55 |
sweston | anteaya: ok | 18:55 |
anteaya | that gives you two weeks to figure out how to keep it running while figuring out the rest | 18:55 |
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sweston | anteaya: gotcha, thank you so much for the wonderful guidance and advice | 18:56 |
anteaya | sweston: you ask good questions? | 18:56 |
anteaya | s/?/! | 18:56 |
anteaya | anything else for open discussion? | 18:56 |
sweston | :-D | 18:56 |
luqas | anteaya: so without zuul CI is not valid? | 18:56 |
anteaya | luqas: that is an incorrect statement | 18:56 |
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anteaya | as long as the tests are running and we have logs the CI is valid | 18:57 |
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luqas | anteaya: I mean, without recheck capability | 18:57 |
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anteaya | having recheck is one of our requirements | 18:57 |
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luqas | I know | 18:57 |
anteaya | so I would aim for having recheck ability | 18:57 |
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luqas | anteaya: ok, just to be sure | 18:58 |
anteaya | we are in j-1 | 18:58 |
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anteaya | so the conversation in j-1 is to aim for it and ask questions if you are having problems | 18:58 |
anteaya | luqas: make sense? | 18:59 |
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luqas | anteaya: completely | 18:59 |
anteaya | thanks | 18:59 |
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anteaya | so it looks like we are done | 18:59 |
roeyc | anteaya: Can you please point me to where I can create a wiki page for our CI ? | 18:59 |
sweston | thanks again, everyone for your time | 18:59 |
anteaya | roeyc: can I table that until next week? | 18:59 |
anteaya | roeyc: I will have a really good answer next week for that question | 19:00 |
anteaya | and a poor answer today | 19:00 |
roeyc | ok | 19:00 |
anteaya | thanks | 19:00 |
anteaya | we are out of time | 19:00 |
anteaya | thanks everyone for a great meeting | 19:00 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-09-18.01.html | 19:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-09-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-09-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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devananda | hi! who's here for the ironic meeting? | 19:01 |
NobodyCam | o/ | 19:01 |
JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
JoshNang | o/ | 19:01 |
Shrews | hi | 19:01 |
ifarkas | o/ | 19:01 |
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iron1 | iron1 | 19:01 |
lucasagomes | :) | 19:01 |
rloo | o/ | 19:01 |
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jroll | \o | 19:01 |
devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 9 19:01:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
adam_g | o/ | 19:01 |
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devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:02 |
NobodyCam | :) | 19:02 |
devananda | #topic announcements | 19:02 |
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devananda | hi all! | 19:02 |
matty_dubs | o/ | 19:02 |
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devananda | as usual, the agenda can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:02 |
NobodyCam | what a week! | 19:02 |
linggao | o/ | 19:02 |
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devananda | biggest item is probably the current status | 19:02 |
lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1 heh | 19:02 |
devananda | We weren't able to land any patches last week, and in fact we haven't had any commits merge in 10 days! | 19:02 |
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devananda | last week's issues were due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1326289 | 19:03 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1326289 in nova "Failing to launch instances : Filter ComputeCapabilitiesFilter returned 0 hosts" [Critical,Fix committed] | 19:03 |
devananda | The fix for that (reverting the relevant nova change) landed this morning. We should be able to start approving patches again. | 19:03 |
NobodyCam | woo hoo! | 19:03 |
NobodyCam | great job babysitting the landing of that btw | 19:03 |
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devananda | however, the openstack gate is still having some issues -- it seems better than last week, but not great yet | 19:03 |
Shrews | devananda: but *should* you be approving patches? haven't seen anything from sdague saying "go for it" | 19:03 |
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JayF | I approved an IPA patch earlier today and it already made it through the gate. Looking at status.openstack.org/zuul it seems to be OK in a generic sense to approve patches. IDK about Ironic-proper though. | 19:04 |
adam_g | is there a plan for how we are going to deal with this once those nova changes merge again? | 19:04 |
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devananda | JayF: because IPA isn't co-gated with anything | 19:05 |
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devananda | JayF: which is because it's not beign tested with tempest/devstack/etc | 19:05 |
JayF | yet :( | 19:05 |
devananda | adam_g: roughly - yes, but nothing's formal afaik | 19:05 |
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devananda | adam_g: my rough plan is: land the nova cchange w/o changing the signature of HostState.__init__, in a backwards-compatible way | 19:06 |
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adam_g | i suppose when the gate is better shape it will be easier to coordinate | 19:06 |
adam_g | cool | 19:07 |
devananda | #action devananda to draft plan to re-land commit ce3f9e5fa9cd05f3ee3bb0cc7d06521d05901cf4 in a non-breaking way | 19:07 |
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devananda | we should be good to recehck things as needed now, and we should be able to trust Jenkins' votes again | 19:07 |
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devananda | that's it for the big status thing | 19:08 |
devananda | #topic release cycle progress report | 19:08 |
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devananda | J1 milestone is this week ... | 19:08 |
devananda | given that we have a lot of the refactoring and fixes we discussed at the summit *in flight* right now | 19:08 |
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devananda | it'd be great if we get those in ... but given the status of the gate, i'm not so sure | 19:09 |
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devananda | i have some ideas. anyone else want to jump in, feel free | 19:09 |
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rloo | devananda: J1 milestone is June 12. Don't they cut it two days before? So June 10? (tomorrow) | 19:10 |
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devananda | rloo: releases are being handled slightly differently this cycle. rather than cutting a branch, i'll just tell ttx what git SHA to use from master | 19:10 |
NobodyCam | are things stable enough to cut a release? | 19:10 |
rloo | devananda: great. that buys us some more time. | 19:11 |
devananda | rloo: and we have some leeway. Thursday would be best, but if it slips to next Monday, it's nto the end of the world | 19:11 |
devananda | if we can, I think it would be great to do some quick reviewing of the backlog, rebase a bunch of really-nice-to-have cleanup and bug fixes, then push them through today and tomorrow (assuming the gate lets us land anything) | 19:12 |
NobodyCam | +1 | 19:13 |
devananda | cause we have a lot of high-priority bug fixes with patches up right now | 19:13 |
lucasagomes | +1, if gate gets better tomorrow we may want to have a review jam or something? to land things quickly | 19:13 |
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jroll | I'm in for a review jam | 19:13 |
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NobodyCam | I too am up for jam | 19:14 |
devananda | great, thanks | 19:14 |
devananda | #info review jam tomorrow (Tuesday PST morning / GMT afternoon) | 19:14 |
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jroll | devananda: can we try to make that post-9am? :) | 19:15 |
devananda | lucasagomes: anything you'd like to add on the overall code cleanup progress? | 19:15 |
jroll | (PST) | 19:15 |
devananda | jroll: nope | 19:15 |
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lucasagomes | devananda, due the gate problems, we still waiting for the tempest and devstack patches to land | 19:15 |
lucasagomes | both has a +2 | 19:15 |
devananda | jroll: show up when you can -- i'll try to start at 6am myself | 19:15 |
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jroll | whoaaaaaa | 19:15 |
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devananda | jroll: which isn't exactly normal, but neither is the current situation :) | 19:15 |
jroll | I can do that, but whoa. | 19:15 |
JoshNang | that's some dedication | 19:15 |
jroll | :) | 19:15 |
NobodyCam | i will try for 6 am | 19:16 |
lucasagomes | there's some discussion going on on the tempest patch right now, but I hope toget both of then in this week | 19:16 |
jroll | totally fair dude, I'll shoot for 6am, may be 6:30 or so | 19:16 |
linggao | devananda, is review jam using this IRC channel? | 19:16 |
devananda | linggao: no - we use the normal #openstack-ironic channel | 19:16 |
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devananda | lucasagomes: anything we can do to help those tempest patches? | 19:17 |
linggao | ok, 6am your time? | 19:17 |
lucasagomes | devananda, yes, if you guys could read the discussion and give ur opnion would be useful | 19:17 |
lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/95789 | 19:17 |
lucasagomes | that's the patch | 19:17 |
devananda | lucasagomes: thanks, will do | 19:17 |
devananda | #topic subteam: integration testing | 19:17 |
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Shrews | lucasagomes: good luck getting jenkins to approve them. I can't get my tempest changes past jenkins :( | 19:18 |
devananda | nice segway into the next topic :) | 19:18 |
lucasagomes | Shrews, :/ | 19:18 |
devananda | adam_g: any add'l updates on tempest from last week? | 19:18 |
adam_g | devananda, not too much | 19:18 |
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adam_g | patches that were up last week still are, for obvious reasons | 19:19 |
devananda | right | 19:19 |
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devananda | lifeless: hi! any updates on tripleo CI for Ironic? | 19:19 |
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devananda | ok, we can come back to lifeless any time if he's around | 19:21 |
devananda | #topic subteam: bugs | 19:21 |
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devananda | dtantsur is on PTO for a few more days IIRC | 19:21 |
devananda | I didn't get any summary from him before he left | 19:21 |
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lucasagomes | I think he's on PTO this week and the next one | 19:21 |
NobodyCam | yes form what I recall he is out the rest of this week | 19:21 |
devananda | but from what I can tell, he's been reviewing all the open bugs, adjusting status | 19:21 |
lifeless | devananda: hi | 19:22 |
devananda | lucasagomes: ah, thanks for the clarification - didn't realize it extended past this week | 19:22 |
lifeless | devananda: uhm, no, I'm not driving that, just whinging about it | 19:22 |
lucasagomes | devananda, not 100% sure, lemme try to confirm that | 19:22 |
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lifeless | devananda: I wish I had time to drive it. check with adam_g and NobodyCam who AFAIK were caring for the failing tripleo-ironic jobs | 19:22 |
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lifeless | We might be able to sic pcrews on it too, from the tripleo end | 19:23 |
devananda | lifeless: ack. your name ended up on that item in our agenda -- adam_g or NobodyCam, either of you want to give updaets on tripleo ci of ironic? | 19:23 |
NobodyCam | I was unable to get a lot done with the Ci job last week, I should have more time this week | 19:23 |
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adam_g | the ironic dsvm jobs *should* be passing now. so any consistent failures should get a bug and we can take a look. | 19:24 |
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devananda | lifeless, NobodyCam - fwiw, this is also a good time to raise awareness of any particularly large issues that tripleo is hitting with ironic | 19:24 |
adam_g | im aware of the UCA GPG key error, and will see what infra thinks about caching that stuiff on the precise slave images | 19:24 |
lifeless | adam_g: not dvsm | 19:25 |
lifeless | adam_g: *tripleo*.*ironic.* | 19:25 |
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NobodyCam | adam_g: even undercloud | 19:25 |
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adam_g | oh my bad, i have not been involved there. | 19:25 |
adam_g | WRT major bugs that have been affecting our tripleO testing, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1320513 is probably the #1 for us right now | 19:26 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1320513 in ironic "IPMI commands are sent / queried too fast" [High,In progress] | 19:26 |
devananda | ack. i have a fix proposed for that | 19:26 |
lifeless | adam_g: check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise | 19:26 |
lifeless | adam_g: thats the one I handed off my patch about race conditions to you :) | 19:26 |
Shrews | for triple0, this needs approving (just rechecked it): https://review.openstack.org/96498 | 19:26 |
lifeless | adam_g: [you can check your IRC logs :P] | 19:26 |
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NobodyCam | 96558 & 96902 address that | 19:26 |
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adam_g | lifeless, right, the fix of which is still blocked on a refactor.. last week didn't help. | 19:27 |
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devananda | Shrews: ack. with that many +2's it shouldn't be a problem to land it today (if the gate lets us) | 19:28 |
devananda | ok, let's move on as there's a few more items to cover | 19:28 |
lifeless | adam_g: (note that that might not be the cause, or the whole cause, it $whatever - what i needed to handoff was the 'sit on problem job and make damn thing work' | 19:28 |
devananda | one quick note on bug triage in general | 19:28 |
devananda | let's start using tags to categorize bugs we see | 19:29 |
devananda | dtantsur proposed the "driver" tag. I'd like to propose a few different ones | 19:29 |
devananda | anyone want to discuss those, let's talk after the meeting -- otherwise, I'll just put up a wiki page today | 19:29 |
lucasagomes | driver for the nova driver? or drivers in ironic itself (e.g pxe)? | 19:29 |
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devananda | lucasagomes: eactly. i'd like to clarify that sort of thing | 19:29 |
lucasagomes | ack | 19:30 |
NobodyCam | +1 to more tags | 19:30 |
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devananda | #action devananda to write a wiki on bug tags, link from our main wiki | 19:30 |
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devananda | #topic subteam: IPA | 19:31 |
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devananda | russell_h or jroll: either of you have any updates to share? | 19:31 |
jroll | hi! | 19:31 |
jroll | just a couple of things | 19:31 |
jroll | 1) I put up a spec for the agent driver on friday - please review :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/ | 19:31 |
NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/ | 19:32 |
NobodyCam | :-p | 19:32 |
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devananda | #info spec for IPA's driver now available -- please review! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98506/ | 19:32 |
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jroll | 2) I've put up a high-level todo list, for the road to getting the agent stuff merged, and beyond: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:32 |
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devananda | jroll: good stuff | 19:33 |
jroll | our main goal right now is refactoring the agent driver as stated there | 19:33 |
lucasagomes | nice | 19:33 |
jroll | I'd like to land that sometime before the mid-cycle | 19:33 |
jroll | I think that's it from me | 19:33 |
devananda | jroll: sort of serious, sort of joking -- does it work now? | 19:34 |
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devananda | jroll: it would be good to have a walkthrough in that etherpad showing other devs how to replicate/create an env to do a deploy using IPA | 19:34 |
jroll | devananda: for some definition of 'work' | 19:34 |
jroll | devananda: it's fairly reliable, honestly | 19:35 |
JayF | jroll: is underselling it | 19:35 |
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jroll | we've been testing and things are typically happy | 19:35 |
devananda | great | 19:35 |
jroll | and yes, docs | 19:35 |
* jroll adds to list | 19:35 | |
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NobodyCam | jroll: I have not looked, (and may have already asked) is there a DIB element for Ironic-IPA | 19:35 |
JayF | jroll: russell_h: is dwalleck still working on tempest for ipa? | 19:35 |
devananda | i'd like to also see a list of known missing things (after all, that's part of the plan) | 19:35 |
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jroll | NobodyCam: not today | 19:36 |
devananda | jroll: by "missing" i mean compared to the PXE driver. I know ya'll have a lot more stuff planned that PXE wont do | 19:36 |
JayF | NobodyCam: The existing agent image is built using coreos and run in a container. I'll gladly review additions of DIB elements. | 19:36 |
jroll | devananda: missing for what? feature parity with pxe? | 19:36 |
jroll | ok | 19:36 |
devananda | right | 19:36 |
JayF | NobodyCam: should be relatively trivial to do, given all the dependencies are documented in the Dockerfile in the root of the repo. | 19:37 |
jroll | devananda: my goal is to make that an empty set before landing :) | 19:37 |
devananda | jroll: ++ | 19:37 |
NobodyCam | ack... I can help with dib element, but will nned to get myself up to speed on IPA | 19:37 |
devananda | jroll: would be good to have that gap outlined upfront, so that folks aren't surprised when reviewing it | 19:37 |
jroll | devananda: of course, it's now on my todo list :) | 19:37 |
devananda | anything else on IPA? | 19:38 |
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jroll | I think that's it | 19:38 |
devananda | great, thanks for the updates! | 19:38 |
devananda | #topic subteam: oslo | 19:38 |
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jroll | :) | 19:39 |
devananda | GheRivero: hi! any updates? | 19:39 |
GheRivero | nothing new. Like almost every other project, the gate issues blocked it. | 19:39 |
GheRivero | some blocker patches were approved for oslo.db, but there are others in the queue | 19:39 |
GheRivero | the same for oslo.i18n | 19:39 |
devananda | actually I have something to point out - our DB migration code, which is largely based on oslo-incubator's db migration code, is badly broken | 19:40 |
devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036950.html | 19:40 |
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devananda | * db migration test code, i mean | 19:40 |
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devananda | tldr; we're not running db migration tests in the check/gate queues currently | 19:41 |
devananda | and we shouldn't enable them until this is fixed | 19:41 |
lucasagomes | :( | 19:41 |
lucasagomes | yeah | 19:41 |
devananda | because they'll introduce random failures | 19:41 |
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devananda | if anyone is familiar with the oslo db migration code and wants to fix it locally -- that'd be best | 19:41 |
lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036950.html | 19:42 |
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lucasagomes | devananda email to the mailist ^ there's some info about the currently situation of the migration scripts | 19:42 |
lifeless | so | 19:42 |
lifeless | devananda: let me check my understanding | 19:43 |
lifeless | devananda: there is a single DB server - mysql/whatever | 19:43 |
lifeless | devananda: and multiple tests that can affect the schema on it, and they run concurrently? | 19:43 |
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devananda | lifeless: in one configuration, yes. | 19:43 |
lifeless | devananda: which configuration is that? | 19:43 |
devananda | lifeless: the one that is currently being used by oslo-incubator and ironic | 19:44 |
lifeless | devananda: so the situation as I described it is the situation today? | 19:44 |
lifeless | if those tests were enabled | 19:44 |
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devananda | lifeless: i haven't looked at oslo.db, it may not be affected. nova is nto affected, because it's using older code (pre-oslo-incubator DB migration code) | 19:44 |
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lifeless | devananda: do our other tests depend on that DB and schema? Or is this isolated to a small set of our tests? | 19:45 |
devananda | lifeless: I believe it affects all our unit tests which use the DB (they share a single DB schema currently, AFAIUI) | 19:45 |
devananda | lifeless: but I haven't looked at /that/ aspect yet | 19:46 |
lifeless | devananda: let me rephrase; do many of our unit tests use the DB, or is it mocked out for most of them ? | 19:46 |
devananda | lifeless: not sure at the moment. that email was only referring to migration tests | 19:46 |
lifeless | yeah | 19:46 |
lifeless | ok so we can take this to the main channel | 19:46 |
lifeless | but I have a few suggestions | 19:46 |
devananda | right, i have some too | 19:47 |
lifeless | good :) | 19:47 |
lifeless | suggestions at dawn, on the commons | 19:47 |
devananda | i was mentioning it to draw attention to the fact that we're running db migration tests right now -- and we shouldn't just start running that test, cause it'll break | 19:47 |
devananda | cool. moving on :) | 19:47 |
devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:47 |
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devananda | 12 minutes left! we're doign great today :) | 19:48 |
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lucasagomes | devananda, what we are expecting to be covered on the mid-cycle with nova? | 19:48 |
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lucasagomes | devananda, mostly about the nova ironic driver and the path to get it in? | 19:48 |
devananda | oh! gah! of course Ishould have announced that | 19:48 |
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devananda | #info mid-cycle announced: details here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BeavertonJunoSprint | 19:49 |
devananda | lucasagomes: so we're co*located* with nova, but not having a joint summit | 19:49 |
devananda | we'll be mostly doing our own thing in a separate room | 19:49 |
devananda | with easy access back and forth, and probably daily meetings with them | 19:50 |
devananda | to sort out landing the nova driver | 19:50 |
lucasagomes | right | 19:50 |
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devananda | lucasagomes: so we should have our own agenda | 19:50 |
devananda | I've put some ideas in this etherpad | 19:50 |
devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-sprint | 19:50 |
lucasagomes | +1, wil take a look and put some ideas as well | 19:51 |
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devananda | aside from the nova driver and IPA, I think it's too early to know what code we'll all be hacking on at that point | 19:52 |
Shrews | If the Triple0 is the week before, does anyone plan to attend? | 19:52 |
devananda | Shrews: I'll probably be at TripleO as well | 19:53 |
Shrews | devananda: cool. i might have to attend part of that one instead :( | 19:53 |
devananda | lifeless: any thoughts on when you expect to have confirmation of the tripleo dates? | 19:53 |
devananda | Shrews: noooo | 19:53 |
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lifeless | devananda: today I hope | 19:55 |
devananda | lifeless: ack | 19:55 |
devananda | if there's nothing else, let's end a few minutes early | 19:55 |
jroll | \o/ | 19:56 |
NobodyCam | wow | 19:56 |
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NobodyCam | :) | 19:56 |
NobodyCam | Thank you all | 19:56 |
devananda | thanks! | 19:57 |
devananda | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 9 19:57:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-09-19.01.html | 19:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-09-19.01.txt | 19:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-09-19.01.log.html | 19:57 |
lucasagomes | thanks | 19:57 |
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mestery | Hi Neutron folks! | 20:58 |
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regXboi | mestery: yo | 20:59 |
banix | mestery: hi there! | 20:59 |
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nati_ueno | hi | 20:59 |
carl_baldwin | hi | 20:59 |
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* mestery waits for a quorum to naturally develop. | 20:59 | |
yamamoto | hi | 20:59 |
ihrachyshka | hi | 20:59 |
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fawadkhaliq | hello everyone! | 20:59 |
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marun | hi | 20:59 |
obondarev | o/ | 20:59 |
chuckC | hi | 21:00 |
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emagana | hello! | 21:00 |
jlibosva | hi | 21:00 |
blogan | hello | 21:00 |
markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
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edhall | hi | 21:00 |
mestery | carl_baldwin rkukura arosen1 amotoki: ping | 21:00 |
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carl_baldwin | pong | 21:01 |
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pcm__ | hi | 21:01 |
mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 9 21:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
shivharis | hi | 21:01 |
mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
Sukhdev | Hello | 21:02 |
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mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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mestery | Juno-1 is this week on Thursday. | 21:02 |
mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-1 | 21:02 |
mestery | We have merged 6 BPs and tons of bugs. There are few things left which we can merge if the code reviews are good. | 21:02 |
rkukura | hi | 21:02 |
mestery | See the LP page for BPs to prioritize for review this week. | 21:02 |
mestery | Any questions on Juno-1? | 21:03 |
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emagana | DVR is the most critical, right? | 21:03 |
kevinbenton | is there an explanation of the signifigance of these particular tags? | 21:03 |
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mestery | emagana: Yes, we merged 2 DVR patches, my guess is the rest land in Juno-2. | 21:04 |
kevinbenton | like what’s the difference between something landing in Juno-1 vs 2,3, etc | 21:04 |
mestery | kevinbenton: Just trying to prioritize work, etc. | 21:04 |
mestery | kevinbenton: Juno-1 items all have BPs which landed for example :) | 21:04 |
markmcclain | kevinbenton: the milestones are really for planning and synchronization | 21:04 |
mestery | Next week I will start going through Juno-2 items and ensure they have BPs filed and tracked in neutron-specs. | 21:05 |
mestery | markmcclain: +1 | 21:05 |
mestery | For the Juno project plan for Neutron, see here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan | 21:05 |
mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan | 21:05 |
mestery | At a high level, that's the community items we're tracking. | 21:05 |
mestery | I don't want to derail the meeting on that now, though. Soe questions on that can be handled in Open Discussion :) | 21:05 |
mestery | OK, 2 more items for announcements: | 21:05 |
kevinbenton | thanks | 21:05 |
mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting LBaaS Sprint | 21:06 |
mestery | the LBaaS sprint is next week. | 21:06 |
mestery | markmcclain and I will be attending from a core perspective. | 21:06 |
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mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-lbaas-mid-cycle Parity Sprint | 21:06 |
mestery | And the parity sprint is in July. | 21:06 |
mestery | FYI. | 21:06 |
mestery | OK, moving on to bugs. | 21:06 |
mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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mestery | Our top bug this week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1325737 | 21:06 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325737 in neutron "Public network connectivity check failed after VM reboot" [High,Confirmed] | 21:06 |
mestery | I have triaged this down to likely being a nova issue. | 21:07 |
mestery | salv-orlando: We discussed in channel earlier today. | 21:07 |
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salv-orlando | mestery: weren’t we tracking it with another bug number? | 21:07 |
mestery | When we hit this issue, the guest appears to be hung, as dumping the console returns no data. | 21:07 |
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mestery | salv-orlando: Yes | 21:08 |
mestery | one second | 21:08 |
mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323658 | 21:08 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "SSH EOFError - Public network connectivity check failed" [Undecided,New] | 21:08 |
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mestery | salv-orlando: Too many bugs :) | 21:08 |
salv-orlando | mestery: I don’t want to appear pedant but if we have several bugs open for the same issue people will comment on either of two and we might lose info | 21:08 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Agreed. | 21:08 |
salv-orlando | I promise to stop my pedantry here for today | 21:09 |
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mestery | #action mestery to consolidate "ssh timeout" bugs post-meeting. | 21:09 |
nati_ueno | salv-orlando: That is fuge loss for the community | 21:09 |
mestery | salv-orlando: You agree with my assessment of hte bug though? | 21:09 |
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salv-orlando | mestery: I agree, but still can’t reproduce locally. It seems the instance takes the ip (as shown in syslog) | 21:10 |
salv-orlando | bug then for some reason either it hungs or the ssh server does not start | 21:10 |
mestery | salv-orlando: OK, I'll ping the nova folks to have a look at my analysis as well. | 21:10 |
armax | mestery, salv-orlando: I pushed this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98483/ | 21:10 |
armax | but the exact failure mode is yet to reproduce | 21:10 |
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mestery | armax: That change actually causes the failure to manifest slighlty differently for me :( | 21:10 |
armax | this bug is a coward :) | 21:10 |
mestery | armax: :) | 21:10 |
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mestery | armax: With that change, infra is trying to save a VM when it fails. | 21:11 |
mestery | armax: I looked at two over the weekend, but couldn't find much useful info :() | 21:11 |
salv-orlando | and obviously then there is the other thing about why adding the wait_for_server_active in setup triggers this all over the place | 21:11 |
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mestery | If we hit this again with that patch armax, infra will load your and my ssh key so we can get access. I'll have them ping either of us in #openstack-neutroin, ok? | 21:11 |
armax | mestery: ok | 21:12 |
mestery | OK, there is one other bug enikanorov wanted me to point out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1328162 | 21:12 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328162 in neutron "Tempest fails to delete firewall in 300 seconds" [High,Confirmed] | 21:12 |
mestery | This one is being worked by enikanorov (who couldn't be here), he just wanted it pointed out here as a high priority one. | 21:12 |
mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of? | 21:13 |
SridarK | mestery: I am also taking a look at the logs - nothing very conclusive thus far | 21:13 |
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mestery | SridarK: Thanks! Please sync with enikanorov as well. | 21:13 |
SridarK | mestery: will keep in loop | 21:13 |
salv-orlando | mestery: you put the SELECT FOR UPDATE issue in the agenda | 21:13 |
salv-orlando | however if we start talking about that, it will probably mean the end of the meeting | 21:13 |
mestery | salv-orlando: I think it's leftover yet, though I still need to work with jaypipes to document that. | 21:13 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Correct. :) | 21:14 |
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mestery | salv-orlando: So, lets move on. :) | 21:14 |
salv-orlando | can we agree to put an action for me to open a mailing list thread. | 21:14 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Absolutely! | 21:14 |
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mestery | #action salv-orlando to start mailing list thread for "SELECT FOR UPDATE" issue. | 21:14 |
mestery | salv-orlando: ^^^ :) | 21:14 |
salv-orlando | then rossella_s and the other folks interested in this will chime in | 21:14 |
mestery | Thanks salv-orlando. | 21:14 |
mestery | #topic Team Discussion Topics | 21:14 |
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salv-orlando | I don’t know if HenryG want also to take ownershp of coordinating this | 21:14 |
salv-orlando | but that’s for another day | 21:14 |
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mestery | blogan: This is your section. :) | 21:15 |
mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036629.html | 21:15 |
mestery | The LBaaS team had a question for the broader Neutron team. | 21:15 |
blogan | mestery: thanks | 21:15 |
mestery | It was a ML thread, but they wanted visibility here to discuss. | 21:15 |
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mestery | blogan: Can you phrase the questions here? | 21:15 |
mestery | *question | 21:15 |
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blogan | basically its what is the most acceptable strategy for backwards compatibility between the old version of the lbaas api and the new | 21:16 |
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marun | is the existing lbaas api any different from the test of the api? | 21:16 |
blogan | one option is to keep one API but any requests that go in the old format get translated to the new API's object model | 21:16 |
marun | test -> rest | 21:17 |
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blogan | marun: what do you mean by rest of the API? neutron API? | 21:17 |
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blogan | marun: or the new API? | 21:17 |
blogan | new lbaas API | 21:17 |
salv-orlando | blogan: is this API still part of the neutron endpoint or is it running in its own endpoint? | 21:17 |
blogan | salv-orlando: it's still part of neutron api | 21:17 |
salv-orlando | blogan: obviously I mean the new lbaas API | 21:17 |
markmcclain | for now we'd need to keep same endpoint | 21:17 |
marun | I mean, don't aren't we mandated to maintain support for an api for at least one cycle following deprecation? | 21:17 |
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marun | don't -> | 21:18 |
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mestery | marun: Yes, we will support the old one per the deprecation guidelines. | 21:18 |
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salv-orlando | blogan: can you guarantee there is always a mapping from the old model to the new model? | 21:18 |
blogan | yes but the question is, since the old API and new API are different, should there be a new load balancing v2 extension and plugin or just keep the old ones that translate the old APIs to the new object model? | 21:18 |
marun | So do we really have a choice? | 21:18 |
marun | The starting point is defining the new extension api | 21:19 |
marun | And then seeing if mapping the old to the new is possible. | 21:19 |
markmcclain | I think that translating makes the most sense | 21:19 |
regXboi | markmcclain: +1 | 21:19 |
mestery | Translating means we keep the existing infra as well. | 21:19 |
blogan | salv-orlando: no I cannot guarantee that since the old API is 1:1 relationships and the new one has M:N and M:1 relationships | 21:19 |
markmcclain | otherwise deployers will have confusion | 21:19 |
mestery | OK, so now that we've raised the issue, can we have interested parties reply to blogan's email? | 21:19 |
mestery | I'm afraid this could chew up the rest of the meeting time if we let it here. :) | 21:20 |
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blogan | mestery: it definitely could | 21:20 |
mestery | thanks markmcclain. | 21:20 |
mestery | blogan: :) | 21:20 |
salv-orlando | blogan: but however this means that existing object model is a “subset” of the new one - and therefore everything you were able to create in the old object model could be created as well in the new one? | 21:20 |
mestery | blogan: Thanks for joining us, and we'll close on this hopefully this week on the ML. | 21:20 |
salv-orlando | mestery, blogan: ok, let’s move this to the mailing list. | 21:21 |
mestery | salv-orlando: thanks :) | 21:21 |
blogan | salv-orlando: yes ML, or we can talk after if you want | 21:21 |
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mestery | OK, one other item to discuss here, per the agenda: VLAN trunk proposals. | 21:21 |
mestery | See the agenda, there are 3 proposals related to this, some in spec form. | 21:21 |
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mestery | I think we need to converge these. | 21:21 |
mestery | And I think we want this feature in Juno, it helps the NFV use case for example. | 21:21 |
mestery | Comments from other cores? | 21:22 |
salv-orlando | mestery: I gave my opinion on one of these specs. I need to check what the proposer thought about it... | 21:22 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Thank you! | 21:22 |
salv-orlando | I understand the use case, but I want this to be achieved without adding concepts as sub-ports | 21:22 |
mestery | So, maybe I would propose other cores please review these and lets see if we can collapse them and approve a single spec for Juno yet. | 21:22 |
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rkukura | mestery: I’ll review these specs | 21:23 |
mestery | salv-orlando: I agree with that comment 100%. | 21:23 |
mestery | rkukura: Thanks! | 21:23 |
markmcclain | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:23 |
marun | did we get feedback from geoff arnold as to the survey of changes (from summit session) required for nfv? | 21:23 |
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mestery | marun: No, but I can reach out to him. | 21:23 |
mestery | marun: There is a weekly NFS meeting now, they are tracking "trunk ports" as a requirement from neutron though. | 21:23 |
mestery | *NFV | 21:23 |
marun | mestery: I think it's represented in raw form in the etherpad but hopefully he has more details. | 21:23 |
mestery | marun: OK, thanks. | 21:23 |
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marun | mestery: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/servicevm | 21:24 |
marun | (at the end) | 21:24 |
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mestery | OK, lets move on now, I know HenryG had something he wanted to comment on for the parity section of the agenda, and he had to leave after 30 minutes :) | 21:24 |
mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:24 |
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mestery | markmcclain HenryG: Hi! | 21:24 |
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markmcclain | hi | 21:24 |
HenryG | Hi | 21:24 |
markmcclain | so there's a spec available for database migration work | 21:25 |
HenryG | Yes, we have a more-or-less final design proposal which supports a sort of downgrade. | 21:25 |
mestery | Link by chance? | 21:25 |
HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/95738 | 21:25 |
mestery | nati_ueno: I think you signed up to review this one, right? | 21:25 |
mestery | nati_ueno: From a core perspective? | 21:25 |
nati_ueno | mestery: sure | 21:25 |
mestery | nati_ueno: Awesome! | 21:26 |
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mestery | markmcclain salv-orlando: I assume you both wil lreview this as well? | 21:26 |
markmcclain | yes | 21:26 |
regXboi | mestery: I put reading it on my list as well, I've got some scars from this in my past | 21:26 |
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mestery | markmcclain regXboi: Thanks! | 21:26 |
mestery | We have good core coverage on this one then, which is great. | 21:26 |
salv-orlando | mestery: sure | 21:26 |
mestery | Lets see if we can converge on the spec and merge it so work can move forward! | 21:27 |
mestery | HenryG: Thanks for leading the DB Migration efforts! | 21:27 |
salv-orlando | I’m even happy to do some code there - it’s not rocket science but there’s a lot of stuff to cover | 21:27 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Great! I'll let you work with HenryG jlibosva and others to divy up the work. | 21:27 |
mestery | Anything else on parity markmcclain? | 21:27 |
markmcclain | other parity item is we're starting to work on code for altering device mgt from nova to neutron… contact me offline for folks interested in participating | 21:27 |
mestery | markmcclain: thanks! | 21:28 |
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mestery | #topic Docs | 21:28 |
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mestery | emagana: Hi! Any updates for us this week? | 21:29 |
emagana | hi there! Good news and bad news! | 21:29 |
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emagana | Good news: we have very few open bugs in neutron-docs | 21:29 |
emagana | We have been closing few of them lately | 21:29 |
mestery | That is good news emagana! | 21:29 |
emagana | Bad news: we have very few open bugs in neutron-docs | 21:30 |
regXboi | heh | 21:30 |
* mestery notes the irony. | 21:30 | |
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emagana | I have seen almost zero new bugs open for docs related to Neutron | 21:30 |
mestery | emagana: Does a bug get opened automatically when DocImpact is added? | 21:30 |
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emagana | I want to encourage developers to add Doc Impact on your changes | 21:30 |
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mestery | emagana: I've seen reviews with that tag, have they not opened bugs? | 21:30 |
emagana | mestery: That is correct! | 21:31 |
banix | mestery: yes, the bugs get opened automatically | 21:31 |
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mestery | emagana: As an example, did this change generate a Doc bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95060/ | 21:31 |
emagana | So, reviewers make sure that DocImpact is addeed | 21:31 |
mestery | Good advice emagana. | 21:31 |
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mestery | emagana: Thanks for the update! Anything else? | 21:32 |
emagana | I dont want to take more time.. so, I am done at least somebody wants to add something else | 21:32 |
mestery | emagana: Thanks! | 21:32 |
markmcclain | seems that if the spec has doc changes in it we should ensure DocImpact flag is in commit msg | 21:32 |
mestery | markmcclain: +1 | 21:32 |
mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:33 |
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mestery | mlavalle: Hi! | 21:33 |
mlavalle | Hi | 21:33 |
mlavalle | we have a total of 26 api tests merged | 21:33 |
mlavalle | working on the last 3 | 21:33 |
mestery | mlavalle: Great! | 21:33 |
mlavalle | also keeping an eye on the LBaaS work in case we need to adjust the tests for the new API | 21:33 |
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mestery | mlavalle: Great, thanks! | 21:34 |
mlavalle | last week merged the spec for the work to be done on scenarios | 21:34 |
mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95600/ | 21:34 |
mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95600/ | 21:34 |
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mlavalle | right now I am writing the titorial on scenario tests that will become part of the Tempest docs | 21:34 |
nati_ueno | nice | 21:34 |
Sukhdev | mlavalle: that is great | 21:35 |
mlavalle | and also writing specs for the scenarios themselves | 21:35 |
mestery | mlavalle: This is great work! | 21:35 |
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mlavalle | once I have that, I will send message to ML to invite developers to write scenarios for us | 21:35 |
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mestery | mlavalle: Sounds like a plan. | 21:35 |
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mlavalle | that's all I have and I'll see you next week in San SAntonio | 21:36 |
marun | tangent: how do we ensure evolution of specs? | 21:36 |
marun | I'll bring up on mailing list if there isn't an easy answer. | 21:36 |
mestery | marun: Patches to approved specs. | 21:36 |
mlavalle | marun: no easy answer Ithinlk | 21:36 |
marun | ok, will bring up on ml | 21:36 |
mestery | thanks marun. | 21:36 |
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mestery | #topic L3 | 21:37 |
marun | if we use bugs/bp to evolve code, we'll need something to evolve specs too | 21:37 |
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carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 21:37 |
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mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi! | 21:37 |
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carl_baldwin | We’re working hard on DVR. | 21:37 |
mestery | Yay! | 21:37 |
carl_baldwin | The extension patch is shaping up. | 21:37 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: We merged our first 2 DVR patches I believe, right? | 21:37 |
carl_baldwin | I’m reaching out to owners of the L3 / L2 patches and new patches should be coming soon. | 21:37 |
carl_baldwin | mestery: Yes, we’ve merged a few, paving the way. | 21:37 |
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carl_baldwin | I’m still working on a document that should be useful for testing. | 21:38 |
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carl_baldwin | Need updates to the L3 and L2 patches before I can do much work work on that. | 21:39 |
carl_baldwin | All of the other L3 topics are covered on the team page. | 21:39 |
mestery | Thanks carl_baldwin! | 21:40 |
mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:40 |
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mestery | sc68cal: Hi there! | 21:40 |
carl_baldwin | I’ll continue to work directly with the patch owners. | 21:40 |
sc68cal | Hello! | 21:40 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! | 21:40 |
sc68cal | So we have a bug report for the floating IP v4/v6 problem baoli found - it is listed on the agenda | 21:41 |
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mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323766 | 21:41 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1323766 in neutron "Incorrect Floating IP behavior in dual stack or ipv6 only network" [Undecided,New] | 21:41 |
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markmcclain | it's a fun one for the few folks running dual stacks | 21:41 |
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sc68cal | We will most likely dig into it in the coming weeks - but it does raise questions about implicit v4-isms in the Networking API | 21:42 |
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sc68cal | The only other thing I'd like to bring up is the patch to add the subnet attributes to neutronclient | 21:43 |
mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75871/ | 21:43 |
sc68cal | Beating me to it :) | 21:43 |
mestery | Looks like markmcclain has a -2 on that one at the moment. | 21:43 |
markmcclain | right was waiting on final attribute decision in server | 21:43 |
* markmcclain needs to catch up on spec update | 21:43 | |
mestery | markmcclain: OK, got it. | 21:43 |
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mestery | sc68cal: Per our discussion, you still want to proceed with 2 attributes, right? | 21:44 |
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sc68cal | Correct - the two attribute spec is the result of months of subteam meetings | 21:44 |
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sc68cal | we originally started with a single attribute, but then that BP was superceded by the two attribute spec | 21:44 |
mestery | sc68cal: OK, that makes sense. | 21:44 |
sc68cal | I also realized that I got a DevStack patch in that assumes the attributes are usable in the client | 21:45 |
mestery | sc68cal: The 2 attribute approach? | 21:45 |
sc68cal | mestery: yes | 21:45 |
sc68cal | I had patches to devstack for our lab environment that I pushed to upstream | 21:45 |
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sc68cal | that matches very closely to how we deploy our clusters | 21:46 |
mestery | So, is anyone against the two atttribute approach? Seems as if the Ipv6 subteam has converged on this approach. | 21:46 |
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mestery | markmcclain: OK, lets syncup offline on this one then. :) | 21:46 |
regXboi | link to thread? | 21:46 |
markmcclain | will do | 21:46 |
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* mestery waits to see if sc68cal digs the link out ... | 21:47 | |
sc68cal | I don't think we've had a mailing list discussion about it | 21:47 |
mestery | sc68cal: OK, no worries. | 21:47 |
sc68cal | The only link could be the single attribute spec - let me get that | 21:47 |
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sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87987/ | 21:47 |
mestery | sc68cal: thanks! | 21:47 |
sc68cal | shoot | 21:47 |
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sc68cal | that's the wrong one | 21:48 |
mestery | sc68cal: Anything else on IPv6 this week? | 21:48 |
sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92164/ | 21:48 |
sc68cal | No, that's it | 21:48 |
mestery | sc68cal: Thanks! | 21:48 |
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mestery | SumitNaiksatam is out this week, so we'll skip the sub-teams he's leading for today. | 21:48 |
mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:49 |
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mestery | anteaya: You had a note around DriverLog in here. | 21:49 |
mestery | Actually, I'll cover this too. | 21:49 |
mestery | anteaya and I noticed DriverLog is reporting data which isn't actually right in some cases. | 21:49 |
mestery | We're going to try and clean this up in the coming week. | 21:49 |
mestery | Also, there are inconsistencies between that and what anteaya is tracking in infra. | 21:50 |
Sukhdev | mestery: I noticed that too | 21:50 |
mestery | Sukhdev: Yes. | 21:50 |
mestery | So, anteaya and/or I may be reaching out to plugin/driver owners in the coming week. | 21:50 |
anteaya | sorry, got distracted | 21:50 |
mestery | And I'd like to thank anteaya for leading this effort around 3rd party CI. It's a huge win for the community and a lot of work! | 21:51 |
mestery | anteaya: ^^^ :) | 21:51 |
anteaya | thanks | 21:51 |
mestery | anteaya: Did I miss antyhing? | 21:51 |
nati_ueno | ++ | 21:51 |
anteaya | if you aren't sure about a system ask me and we can review it together | 21:51 |
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anteaya | nope, I'm good thanks | 21:51 |
markmcclain | mestery: should be noted that brocade isn't eval'ing their own patches | 21:51 |
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mestery | #info Any questions on 3rd party CI, ask anteaya or mestery. | 21:51 |
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mestery | markmcclain: That's one of the htings anteaya and I noticed. | 21:51 |
mestery | markmcclain: Also, Tail-F hasn't posted a review since April. | 21:51 |
markmcclain | yep | 21:51 |
mestery | We may look to remove some thigns from tree once we sort this out. | 21:52 |
mestery | But we will give notice. | 21:52 |
anteaya | I'm less concerned about fixing driverlog and more concerned that ci systems are working | 21:52 |
mestery | I started a thread on Tail-f earlier today on the ML. | 21:52 |
mestery | anteaya: +1 | 21:52 |
armax | markmcclain, mestery I have been noticing this hence my -2’s | 21:52 |
mestery | My goal is to clean this up (with anteaya's help) by the end of Juno-2. | 21:52 |
salv-orlando | if you’ve noticed vmware is down too since friday. It was sending -1 to all patches. I’m fixing that - please do not be frustated! | 21:52 |
mestery | So, stay with us. | 21:52 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks for the update! | 21:52 |
markmcclain | armax: yes thanks for matching review to CI | 21:53 |
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mestery | Anything else to bringup this week from anyone? | 21:53 |
mestery | If not, keep up the reviews and thanks for everyone's efforts in Juno so far! | 21:54 |
sweston_ | mestery: yes, I've been working on ci for brocade. we will be eval'ing our own patches soon | 21:54 |
mestery | sweston_: Great! I will be reaching out to you this week yet. | 21:54 |
sweston_ | mestery: yay!! | 21:54 |
mestery | sweston_: :P | 21:55 |
regXboi | mestery: I will be traveling next week | 21:55 |
* regXboi driving back from Memphis | 21:55 | |
* mestery makes a mental note to send lots of email to regXboi next week. :) | 21:55 | |
mestery | regXboi: Thanks for the heads up. :) | 21:55 |
mestery | OK, thanks everyone! We'll see you all next week! | 21:55 |
nati_ueno | see ya! | 21:55 |
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banix | bye | 21:55 |
mestery | And also, in #openstack-neutron, the ML, reviews, and possibly in my dreams. :) | 21:55 |
mestery | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
chuckC | bye | 21:55 |
Sukhdev | bye | 21:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 9 21:55:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-09-21.01.html | 21:55 |
markmcclain | bye | 21:56 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-09-21.01.txt | 21:56 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-09-21.01.log.html | 21:56 |
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salv-orlando | adieeuuuuu | 21:56 |
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emagana | ciao pescau | 21:56 |
armax | bye bye | 21:56 |
nati_ueno | sayonara | 21:56 |
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fthamura | greeting | 22:13 |
fthamura | will openstack-training guide meeting here? | 22:13 |
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