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| * annegentle waves | 13:59 | |
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| annegentle | heya | 14:00 |
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| annegentle | ok let me take one more minute to see if I can get a better client than webchat. arg! | 14:00 |
| nickchase | kiwiirc.com | 14:01 |
| annegentle | ok, brb | 14:01 |
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| nickchase | Still on the web, but works great. | 14:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nick! | 14:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oops, there went anne | 14:02 |
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| annegent_ | heya | 14:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello again | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | woo | 14:02 |
| annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 14:03:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:03 |
| annegentle | Okay, agenda is here: | 14:03 |
| annegentle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:03 |
| annegentle | First topic, as usual | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | #topic Action items from last meeting | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | pout. No one did this that I recall | 14:04 |
| annegentle | everyone look at the requirements listing in http://justwriteclick.com/2014/04/10/tearing-down-obstacles-to-openstack-documentation-contributions/ and give feedback on the openstack-docs mailing list | 14:04 |
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| annegentle | and then I don't recall what this one was? annegentle to send post about doc tools requirements to openstack-docs mailing list | 14:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: oops :/ | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: is there a thread on the ML for your blog post? | 14:05 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I guess not? | 14:05 |
| annegentle | I'm looking and I don't see one... bummah | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | doh | 14:05 |
| annegentle | I've got a draft ready to send so I'll do that | 14:06 |
| annegentle | ahh right. I never sent it. | 14:06 |
| annegentle | Ok | 14:06 |
| annegentle | sorry! | 14:06 |
| annegentle | my bad | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | ok that's it for action items | 14:07 |
| annegentle | since one didn't get done the other didn't either, naturally. | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | Okay this is the final week before the Summit | 14:07 |
| annegentle | #topic Summit prep | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am has been doing a ton of work getting ready for the install guide session, thanks Matt! | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | nickchase and I are working on who talks about what in each of the cross project sessions | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah... the audit was fun | 14:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | trying to come up with more items for my session too | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | which hopefully others will be chiming in :) | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | remember, i'm the summit n00b | 14:08 |
| annegentle | Yes for sure | 14:09 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: there's a 101 Session that you'll want to go to | 14:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: the dev summit 101? | 14:09 |
| annegentle | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/e04c26e2a5df3a5089b2ed701d2aac3b#.U2o-r61dU0w | 14:09 |
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| annegentle | Yep, that's the one ^^ we do it each summit and role play how sessions go | 14:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: ahh thats already on my calendar :) | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Our Documentation track is grouped here | 14:10 |
| annegentle | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/documentation#.U2o-x61dU0w | 14:10 |
| annegentle | And the two cross-project sessions are | 14:10 |
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| annegentle | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/626a1e21babaf30d98973f5eb7402fcf | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/19381e6ad48e05abc9099eb7ff956231 | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i found it interesting how the summits have different scheduling sites... so... lots of schedule conflicts to fix | 14:11 |
| annegentle | Any questions about the summit? | 14:11 |
| annegentle | yeah it's tough | 14:11 |
| annegentle | I fought against it and lost | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | So nickchase, I think that the first session is about requirements gathering | 14:12 |
| nickchase | right, well, I suppose it'd have to be | 14:12 |
| annegentle | nickchase: and I'm sending an email today to get people to start thinking about it, across openstack-dev and openstack mailing list | 14:12 |
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| nickchase | great | 14:12 |
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| nickchase | you will probably want to make sure that ... | 14:12 |
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| nickchase | you explain that the two sessions are together. I think that people may expect a certain amount of requirements gathering in the second session, from the description. | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: ok | 14:14 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I see the split as user doc vs. devs writing doc | 14:14 |
| nickchase | annegentle: To a certain extent. But the devs need to have their say on what they need to make this process smoother for them. | 14:15 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: what are your goals and expected outcomes? I see seeds of a process. Are you outlining an etherpad with the blueprint <project>-spec expectations ahead of time? | 14:15 |
| annegentle | nickchase: absolutely | 14:15 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: Never having done this before, I didn't think about that, thank you. :) I will do that. My goals and expected outcomes are... | 14:16 |
| nickchase | annegentle: that we get the devs to talk about their own processes and the circumstances under which they feel like they would contribute more regularly, and then we would ... | 14:17 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: either during the session or afterwards, depending on how it goes, figure out how to make that work for them. | 14:17 |
| nickchase | annegentle: Or am I being unrealistic? | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: I don't think that's unrealistic | 14:18 |
| annegentle | nickchase: use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-docs-session as a template | 14:18 |
| annegentle | nickchase: and list your goals | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: with questions you want answered | 14:18 |
| nickchase | annegentle: Thanks, appreciate it. | 14:18 |
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| Michalik | annegentle - Thanks for the Summit 101 link! Just reposted for our team. | 14:20 |
| annegentle | nickchase: I also think that the dev base is smaller than we really think. | 14:20 |
| nickchase | annegentle: that could very well be. I suppose we'll find out! | 14:20 |
| annegentle | nickchase: not to hash out your session now, but check out slide 33 of http://www.slideshare.net/littleidea/openstack-an-authentic-critique | 14:21 |
| annegentle | one other question, how can we sit together at lunch Monday? | 14:21 |
| annegentle | that'll let us continue discussing | 14:21 |
| annegentle | to lead into the next one | 14:21 |
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| annegentle | I don't know a lot about lunch arrangements but typically it's at the convo center so I'll see what I can do | 14:22 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:22 |
| annegentle | #topic developer.openstack.org | 14:22 |
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| annegentle | We've got the domain registered and now we're working on copying the content to it | 14:23 |
| annegentle | the content will be the same as api.openstack.org, which is just the landing page and all the pages related to http://api.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 14:23 |
| annegentle | we may change that from a Cloud Sites set of pages to a Cloud Files static site | 14:23 |
| annegentle | Just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention. | 14:23 |
| annegentle | The content will be geared towards app devs consuming OpenStack resources | 14:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cool | 14:24 |
| annegentle | SDKs, etc | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | We may move the user guide CLI over there, not sure yet. That's what I want to talk about in the session about requirements | 14:25 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc contribution survey - results coming | 14:25 |
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| annegentle | We got less than 40 responses to the survey, but I think they offer insights | 14:25 |
| annegentle | It was interesting, filling in the "other" portion to barriers was the most answered barrier | 14:26 |
| annegentle | then it was Docbook, followed by not knowing where a bit of info goes, followed by Git/Gerrit | 14:26 |
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| annegentle | Even grouping the "other" question a pattern emerged that people just don't think they know enough to contribute | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | then when you look at who answered the survey, I see that the majority who answered contribute or use OpenStack less than 10 hours a week | 14:27 |
| annegentle | so I'm not sure we got quite what we need from the survey, and it'll be important to test out the data at the Summit | 14:27 |
| annegentle | nickchase: does that help you some too? ^^ | 14:28 |
| nickchase | yes | 14:28 |
| annegentle | My sense is that we need to shift towards asking more consumers to write docs than devs, but that is just a guess | 14:28 |
| annegentle | perhaps two people who responded work on OpenStack full time | 14:28 |
| annegentle | also people don't have a test bed to test things on | 14:28 |
| annegentle | I'll send a mailing list post right after this meeting | 14:29 |
| nickchase | annegentle: the problem here is that it's the devs we really need to hear from. I mean, they're the ones who are writing what in many cases turns out to be incomprehensible messages about what it is that we then need to document. | 14:29 |
| annegentle | any questions? | 14:29 |
| annegentle | nickchase: but that's where <project>-specs is helping, have you been reviewing those? | 14:29 |
| annegentle | nickchase: to me it's a matter of getting all the projects to follow nova/neutron's lead? | 14:29 |
| nickchase | annegentle: not sure what you're referring to, there's been a LOT of stuff flowing past me | 14:30 |
| annegentle | nickchase: ok, I mentioned it in an email I sent. the nova-specs backlog is over 100 blueprints to be reviewed | 14:30 |
| annegentle | is/has | 14:30 |
| annegentle | I'll wait to see if anyone has Qs... | 14:30 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools news | 14:31 |
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| nickchase | annegentle: yes, I've been lookign at that | 14:31 |
| annegentle | Ok all I've got here is that we can now use SCP rather than plain-ol' FTP to copy the HTML and PDF to the docs sites | 14:31 |
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| annegentle | And 0.13 of the openstack-doc-tools tool is the latest version | 14:32 |
| annegentle | nickchase: sorry didn't mean to move too fast. So your sense is that that's useful for docs or not useful? | 14:32 |
| nickchase | annegentle: don't let me hold you up. Useful, but not sufficient. | 14:33 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: yep it doesn't have the user / operator empathy that a docs person brings to the table | 14:33 |
| nickchase | annegentle: right. | 14:33 |
| annegentle | #topic Installation guide notes | 14:34 |
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| annegentle | I wanted to bring this up because Sam-I-Am did a ton of work auditing the install guides | 14:34 |
| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/installation-guide-audit | 14:34 |
| annegentle | so that's a great etherpad for the session | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | please add/change stuff | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: all I'd say is add the template at the top that lists the session name, presenter, which room, etc. | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok... will need to find that template | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: use the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/restructure-docs-session | 14:36 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc Sprint in Brisbane to coincide with Pycon AU | 14:36 |
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| annegentle | That's August 4-5, see http://2014.pycon-au.org/ | 14:36 |
| annegentle | Super cool they're doing that | 14:37 |
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| annegentle | Ok lots of time for open discussion | 14:37 |
| annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 14:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not much here... looking forward to the summit and seeing everyone | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | should be a tiring blast! | 14:37 |
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| nickchase | sam-i-am: that should sum it up. :) | 14:38 |
| annegentle | tiring blast is exactly right! | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | I had a great time at Write the Docs in Portland | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: cool | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you write some docs? | 14:38 |
| annegentle | One person live blogged all the main talks, it was amazing | 14:39 |
| annegentle | #link http://andrewspittle.com/tag/write-the-docs/ | 14:39 |
| annegentle | that guy did! | 14:39 |
| annegentle | In my six hours delayed plane situation I sure wrote some docs. | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: were we supposed to meet today to talk about something? | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe it was my session? | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or the review guide... | 14:40 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: maybe the process session? | 14:40 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yes | 14:40 |
| annegentle | review guide | 14:40 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: and nickchase both, I want to encourage you to post to the mailing list this week, so we ensure we get people at the sessions beyond just "us" | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | post about the sessions? | 14:41 |
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| nickchase | to openstack-dev, you mean? | 14:41 |
| nickchase | actually, I need to do at least one summit-related blog post as well | 14:41 |
| annegentle | nickchase: for yours, yes. and openstack-docs too there are devs there interested in docs and of course we want them to attend | 14:42 |
| nickchase | and I'm not ready to write about my main talk | 14:42 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yes a brief description of the goals for the session | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | general openstack list? | 14:42 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: for yours, I would think openstack-doc would suffice, but you could certainly use the openstack list too | 14:42 |
| nickchase | and a link to the etherpad, I assume? | 14:42 |
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| annegentle | nickchase: yep | 14:43 |
| annegentle | At Write the Docs, two community presentations stood out to me. | 14:43 |
| annegentle | #link http://andrewspittle.com/2014/05/05/write-the-docs-ali-spivak-communities-are-awesome/ | 14:43 |
| annegentle | #link http://andrewspittle.com/2014/05/06/write-the-docs-drew-jaynes-putting-the-docs-cart-before-the-standards-horse/ | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Wordpress actually has multiple doc teams for multiple audiences/toolchains | 14:43 |
| annegentle | Codex is separate from the docs for developers of Wordpress | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | interesting | 14:44 |
| annegentle | that was a nice confirmation | 14:44 |
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| annegentle | Definitely read the twitter stream | 14:44 |
| annegentle | https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%23writethedocs | 14:44 |
| annegentle | one major theme was "treat docs like code" | 14:45 |
| annegentle | so we're right on, man | 14:45 |
| annegentle | The videos will be available and I highly recommend them. I watched all of last year's. | 14:45 |
| annegentle | anything else? Want back 14 minutes of your day? | 14:46 |
| annegentle | have it! | 14:46 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 14:46:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-05-07-14.03.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-05-07-14.03.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-05-07-14.03.log.html | 14:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | thanks! See ya | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 15:03:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is here this week? | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | waiting to see if bobball will join to update around the CI | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Got anyone else today? | 15:06 |
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| leifz | *leifz lurking. | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am here | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: we are in the CI topic | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any updates from that side of things? | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | It's chundling... it broke with the new gerrit. I fixed it. Fin. | 15:08 |
| BobBall | No progress on the things that matter - waiting for reviews etc | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am digging into issues with live-migrate with volumes attached | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I've been having a load of fun with xenserver-core | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | will get a bug up soon, and fresh the bug list a little | 15:10 |
| BobBall | so so close to having it building from xapi trunk (and of course, passing in openstack!) | 15:10 |
| BobBall | sorry | 15:11 |
| BobBall | did I say xenserver-core? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I didn't mean to say xenserver-core | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I meant to say buildroot | 15:11 |
| BobBall | nobody saw me say xenserver-core did they? | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the summit next week | 15:13 |
| BobBall | https://github.com/xenserver/buildroot/pull/416 is the fun PR if anyone cares | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets make sure we meet up | 15:13 |
| BobBall | I'll be at the summit. | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Are you signed up to any parties? | 15:13 |
| BobBall | I say let's just pick an evening and find a pub | 15:13 |
| BobBall | or a restaurant | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I signed up to most of the parties | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, lets meet up | 15:14 |
| BobBall | I say let's pick an evening for the party that you want to go to the least :P | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets meet in some Nova sessions, and agree | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should be in all of those | 15:14 |
| BobBall | yeah | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I'll be in quite a few | 15:15 |
| BobBall | although I'm heading over to CI land / infra land for several too | 15:15 |
| BobBall | gotta say, I love the phone app this year | 15:15 |
| BobBall | makes so much easier | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool... | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so anymore for anymore? | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | no | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, see you all in atlanta | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| jgriffith | Cinder time.... | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 16:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | hey everyone | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| winston-d_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:00 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:00 |
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| coolsvap | hello | 16:01 |
| glenng | *agrees* | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | We've got one item listed by thingee | 16:01 |
| thingee | yay | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #topic limt==0 patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86207/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Hello all. | 16:01 |
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| thingee | so I agree with your jgriffith | 16:01 |
| thingee | your comment, jgriffith * | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:02 |
| thingee | done | 16:02 |
| thingee | :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | ez-pz | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | I agree too | 16:02 |
| eharney | does that address the issue of why snapshots and volumes behave differently? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Ok... now this is just weird | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | we're all agreeing | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | quick somebody protest | 16:02 |
| bswartz | I disagree | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: thank you sir | 16:03 |
| bswartz | np | 16:03 |
| eharney | whatever behavior is correct it seems like it shouldn't be different for snaps vs volumes... | 16:03 |
| hemna_ | morning | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I'm going to ignore you of course | 16:03 |
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| thingee | eharney: one is using sqlalchemyutils, other is relying on the common api code | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: Yes, that sounds like a simple bug... all of them shoudl do 0 === max_limit | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | eharney: they should all be consistent IMHO | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:04 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | low hanging fruit | 16:04 |
| thingee | yes | 16:04 |
| eharney | sounds good then | 16:04 |
| thingee | I follow up on the bug | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | kk | 16:04 |
| thingee | I'll* | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | 0 just makes no sense to me | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | I mean 0 --> list nothing | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | seems kinda silly | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | anybody have anything else they're dieing to talk about? | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | any big plans for the next week? | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:05 |
| thingee | people should pitch in on etherpads | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #topic summit sessions | 16:05 |
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| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Cinder | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: thanks | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: so note I created an etherpad for each session but no data in it | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | other than title/time | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | if you have a session and want to pre-seed it with stuff you should get on it | 16:06 |
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| coolsvap | I think I got what I wanted | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | anybody have any questions about sessions? | 16:07 |
| glenng | does the etherpad session mean there is a scheduled session for said topic? | 16:07 |
| bswartz | glenng: http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 16:08 |
| glenng | Haven't made it through the conf sched yet. Mgr wants to see work out of me ;-) | 16:08 |
| bswartz | cinder sessions are in baby blue | 16:08 |
| glenng | Yes. Understood. I had just noticed an etherpad session on NFS and wondered if a conf session was in place for that. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Doh! So many Friday sessions!@ | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: welcome to Cinder design summit | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: we always get Thurs afternoon and Friday | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | glenng: you talking about "NFS and its role within Cinder" | 16:10 |
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| glenng | jgriffith: Yes sir. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | :-( Ok. I think my flight is pretty late afternoon Friday. | 16:10 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I prefer thurs and friday | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | glenng: yeah, that's bswartz 's scheduled session | 16:10 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: glenng and I will both be presenting | 16:10 |
| thingee | people are dead tired then | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: me too actually | 16:10 |
| thingee | to argue | 16:10 |
| glenng | hehe | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | haha... it's actually good because I typically learn alot M-Thur | 16:11 |
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| thingee | well except use cases like disaster recovery and having replications on different planets | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:11 |
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| glenng | How to brew British beer ;-) | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Mmmm, beer | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anything we need to plan ahead of next week? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | anything people think was missed? | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | special considerations we need to be sure and talk about etc? | 16:12 |
| * coolsvap missed summit | 16:12 | |
| thingee | LIO | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ahhh... yes | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | #topic LIO | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | I can't make head nor tail of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-volume-metadata-for-backup-restore | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | one thing we've talked about the past release is making the LIO driver the default tgt | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | this provides some flexibility and typically better performance | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | IIRC it also lets us do some work with Fibre Channel as well | 16:13 |
| thingee | it could potentially push fabric knowledge out of cinder. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | we can start making some of that code more "common" | 16:13 |
| hemna | :) | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I would LOVE that | 16:13 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +100000000000 | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | any objections to moving forward on that? | 16:14 |
| hemna | So there is a problem with virsh and FC currently | 16:14 |
| hemna | FYI | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | hemna: surprise surprise | 16:14 |
| eharney | the only concern i have about it being default is how to handle platforms that don't support it sensibly | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I still say FC is a horrible technology for OpenStack | 16:14 |
| hemna | virsh can't do HBA passthrough to the guest os's | 16:14 |
| thingee | eharney: +1 | 16:14 |
| eharney | but we have that same issue w/ tgtd. so... need to think about it anyway | 16:14 |
| bswartz | I'm curious to know how LIO helps cinder not worry about fabric stuff | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | eharney: interesting | 16:15 |
| thingee | also fabric code can't completely be removed from cinder. tgt still needs it :( | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I don't have info on that | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | eharney: thingee care to enlighten? | 16:15 |
| eharney | jgriffith: well it's simple from my side. el6 == only tgtd. el7 == only LIO | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | ahhh | 16:15 |
| hemna | thingee, cinder still needs it for initiator side of things and LUN discovery (brick initiator) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | eharney: dang RHEL!!! | 16:15 |
| eharney | which leads me toward wondering about default = prefer LIO but fallback | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's what I'd propose | 16:15 |
| eharney | but i dunno what the best way is to handle all that or if we just leave it up to config | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's what I did with iet/tgt | 16:15 |
| eharney | ahh yeah, before my time :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | config is probably fine as well | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | doesn't seem unreasonable to me at least | 16:16 |
| thingee | great | 16:16 |
| thingee | so a first step... | 16:16 |
| thingee | LIO packages are a mess in upstream packages | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | If we're supporting a fallback, can we get the gate to test both? | 16:16 |
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| thingee | there was a fork of some of the initial rtslib code and distros like ubuntu are broken because they confuse the two | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: good idea | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: we'll have to look into that | 16:17 |
| eharney | thingee: ah yes | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | #note investigate gating on tgt and lio | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | as a RHEL consumer I want to make sure that we can configure it. :-) | 16:17 |
| thingee | for reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtslib/+bug/1166042 | 16:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1166042 in rtslib "rtslib-fb is not object compatible with rtslib" [High,Fix released] | 16:18 |
| * coolsvap already investigating | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith | eharney: can you get LIO on RHEL through epel? | 16:18 |
| eharney | jgriffith: pretty sure the kernel support isn't there for el6 | 16:18 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: I have done that on el7 | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | eharney: doh! | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: yeah el7 is fine | 16:18 |
| eharney | thingee: interesting... rtslib and rtslib-fb aren't compatible so naming like that is scary | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: I forgot about the kerenl version | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Ok... so there's a lot of work there | 16:19 |
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| coolsvap | jgriffith: I think I have that setup as well | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | the decision on what's default and what's not may not be cut and dry | 16:19 |
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| coolsvap | jgriffith: let me double check | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | but I think starting with cleaning up LIO and beefing it up seems good | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | and doesn't hurt anyone | 16:19 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: yes, I've started on this | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | We'll def make sure we don't cut out a platform | 16:20 |
| thingee | at least the emails to fix up the packages | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | righty ho | 16:20 |
| thingee | I like the idea of a fallback to tgt tho | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, seems like a reasonable approach | 16:20 |
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| coolsvap | jgriffith: I have seen some issues with LIO preconfigured with RDO-icehouse, I just dont remember whether I got those on 7/6 | 16:21 |
| coolsvap | I will check that tonight | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: k... but it seems we know that el6 isn't going to work | 16:22 |
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| * jgriffith trusts eharney on all things rhel :) | 16:22 | |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:22 |
| eharney | there was at least one big bug around LIO fixed in icehouse rc phase too | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Not a problem though | 16:22 |
| * coolsvap wants to join the club with eharney | 16:23 | |
| thingee | eharney: heh missing module import | 16:23 |
| * coolsvap ;) | 16:23 | |
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| eharney | thingee: oh i forgot about that one... i meant the elevated context thing | 16:23 |
| thingee | jgriffith: that's all for me. I will hopefully have a better report. I *just* started on the clean up stuff last night | 16:23 |
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| thingee | better report at the summit* | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Will discussing issues around Volume states be discussed in the Cinder State and Workflow Mangement discussion? | 16:25 |
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| * jgriffith gets in his time machine..... | 16:26 | |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I just visited the session in the future and it seemed like you brought it up | 16:26 |
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| * jungleboyj laughs ... Ok. | 16:27 | |
| jgriffith | alright... anybody else have anything? | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-volume-metadata-for-backup-restore | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Then you can kick me out as I will have to leave for a flight soon after that. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | Can anybody give me the slightest clue what that is about? | 16:28 |
| eharney | reads kind of like the import/export ideas to me | 16:28 |
| eharney | but i dunno | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: DuncanT I *think* it's just a mapping | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | which I'm not overly interested in creating a table for | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | the driver should be able to handle this | 16:29 |
| hemna | no idea what he's talking about....some new metadata object ? | 16:29 |
| hemna | why? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | and we already have a "host" column on the volume | 16:29 |
| hemna | sounds like he wants to store the state of cinder's db on the storage array? | 16:30 |
| hemna | no idea | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | hemna: DuncanT eharney so I believe what he wants here is: | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | ability to querie cinder to do direct backup of volumes | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | outside of Cinder | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | so for example tell netbackup: Here's the device, this is the volume back it up | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | it's come up in some talks I've been in before | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | traditional backups, NOT cinder backup service BTW | 16:31 |
| hemna | then why do we need to modify cinder to support something that happens outside of cinder ? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: so they can have the mapping | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: they need to tell the back up app how to find the volume on the device | 16:32 |
| eharney | just map based on identifying the volumes from the array side by a name that corresponds to the cinder id? | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Why does that have anything to do with nova device mapping info? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | eharney: yeah, if your driver implemented that :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that I'm not sure | 16:32 |
| hemna | DuncanT, no idea | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Fair enough, I guess we'll find out at the summit | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | I'm assuming they want to backup the instance data as well? | 16:33 |
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| * jgriffith isn't a fan regardless but we'll see | 16:33 | |
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| jgriffith | anything we can't discuss iformally in #openstack-cinder? | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | But the instance and attachment data can change mid-backup.... | 16:34 |
| hemna | the 3PAR drivers already do some of this when we create a volume. | 16:34 |
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| hemna | we store some cinder metadata in the volume on the 3PAR itself | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | alright... let's wrap it up | 16:34 |
| hemna | for reverse lookup (when looking at the 3PAR UI console) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: most of us implemented that from the start yes | 16:35 |
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| hemna | so I guess this BP is just a formalization of that concept ? | 16:35 |
| hemna | not sure why the drivers need a new API for it? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: well everybody does it differently | 16:36 |
| hemna | yah I suppose it enforces it then | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: so having an API call to just give the mapping is what they want and makes sense | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | but again I didn't write the BP so there's a lot of speculation going on here | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | that may prove to be a waste of time :) | 16:36 |
| hemna | heh yah | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | We'll need to clairfy things with yehia | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | alright... anything for the meeting before i turn out the lights? | 16:37 |
| * jgriffith isn't trying to rush, just be focused | 16:37 | |
| kmartin | no meeting next week? just kidding | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: LOL | 16:37 |
| glenng | *thinks there will be MANY meetings next week* | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: on the contrary | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | LOTS of meeting next week | 16:38 |
| thingee | I would like to finalize at the summit a time for us all to meet in the second milestone | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | glenng: +1 | 16:38 |
| thingee | finalize = start discussion | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I was wondering if that was going to come up | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | thingee: noted | 16:38 |
| kmartin | thingee: and another bug hunt day | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | thingee: we'll propose a mid-cycle sprint and try to get somethign worked out | 16:39 |
| thingee | kmartin: yes, google hangout 3rd milestone | 16:39 |
| thingee | great success | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: thingee we can do those things over IRC too though IMO | 16:39 |
| hemna | yah | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | don't need to be in person | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I mean... propose/schedule | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | Summit/Session time is valuable, we need to use it for things we can not do virtually | 16:40 |
| kmartin | sure | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | I'd propose an informal get together after the last session on Friday | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | quick summary and plans for things like mid cycle sprint, bug days etc | 16:41 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:42 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: sounds good...I'll be there till Saturday | 16:42 |
| hemna | or even an unconference on Monday could cover that as well | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I think it's hard to have a summary before we have our sessions | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | and I"m not letting everybody borrow my time machine | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | alright... end meeting? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | going once.... | 16:44 |
| * DuncanT probably shouldn't be allowed to drive other poeple's time machines... he keeps denting his own | 16:44 | |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | going twice.... | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | we out | 16:45 |
| coolsvap | out we go! | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | remember we have openstack-cinder and -dev channels | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 16:45:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-05-07-16.00.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-05-07-16.00.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-05-07-16.00.log.html | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone!!! Looking forward to seeing all of you next week!!! | 16:45 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 17:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi anyone around today? | 17:00 |
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| tjones | *listens to crickets* | 17:02 |
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| tjones | well…. i don't have much to say anyway | 17:05 |
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| tjones | so here is the link for the juno prio. Much of which we will discuss at the summit | 17:07 |
| tjones | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-juno | 17:07 |
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| tjones | i am looking for owners for the following bugs | 17:08 |
| tjones | #link http://tinyurl.com/kkyw9c4 | 17:08 |
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| tjones | particularly #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1316433 | 17:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316433 in nova "vmware: nova compute memory grows continuously with creation and deletions on VMs" [High,New] | 17:08 |
| tjones | and i am going to end the meeting | 17:09 |
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| tjones | vuil: hey no one joined so .... | 17:13 |
| tjones | all i said was | 17:13 |
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| tjones | link to juno stuff | 17:14 |
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| tjones | need owners for bugs irc://ec2-54-209-130-42.compute-1.amazonaws.com:6666/#link http://tinyurl.com/kkyw9c4 | 17:14 |
| tjones | oops | 17:14 |
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| tjones | anyone here joined late? | 17:14 |
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| vuil | I did :-) | 17:15 |
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| tjones | yeah no one else did | 17:15 |
| vuil | k | 17:15 |
| tjones | :-( | 17:15 |
| tjones | thanks to you and dims for helping out on power_on | 17:16 |
| vuil | no worries. I will touch base with dims after the meeting on next steps | 17:16 |
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| tjones | ok im going to end | 17:20 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 17:20:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-05-07-17.00.html | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-05-07-17.00.txt | 17:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-05-07-17.00.log.html | 17:20 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 19:01:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | hello everyone. who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:01 |
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| cschwede | \o/ | 19:01 |
| donagh | hi | 19:01 |
| otoolee | otoolee | 19:02 |
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| portante | o/ | 19:02 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:02 |
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| peluse_ | howdy | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
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| Kota | ya | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | I wanted to talk about summit prep today | 19:03 |
| notmyname | to make sure everyone is ready and has what they need | 19:03 |
| portante | okay | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit prep: conference | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit prep: conference (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:03 | |
| notmyname | there are quite a few swift-related talks for the conference | 19:04 |
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| creiht | howdy | 19:04 |
| notmyname | as a reminder, this is the "get up in front and give a presentation lecture" sort of thing | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: chmouel: peluse_: mjseger: you guys and myself are giving talks. do you have any questions or need anything? how's your prep going? | 19:05 |
| peluse_ | ready and willing :) | 19:05 |
| cschwede | nearly ready, excited :) | 19:05 |
| notmyname | peluse_: I've got to get back with you for a couple of slide, but should be minor | 19:05 |
| mjseger | Eamonn and I are doing a joint presentation at the main summit and have our slides ready to go.... | 19:05 |
| notmyname | great to hear | 19:06 |
| peluse_ | notmyname: sounds good | 19:06 |
| notmyname | anyone need any basic swift stuff? or bird images? :-) | 19:06 |
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| cschwede | heh, bird images are always welcome :) | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | yeah, would be cool if everyone used the same presentation theme (Swift) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | peluse_: I'm going to break that rule :-) | 19:07 |
| notmyname | I've got 4 presentations, each with a different presentation theme and tool | 19:07 |
| peluse_ | notmyname: well, variety is the spice of life I guess | 19:08 |
| notmyname | or something... | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | if anything comes up, please email me (me@not.mn). If you need to get in touch with me at the summit, my cell is 254-722-3321 | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit prep: project pod | 19:09 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "summit prep: project pod (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:10 | |
| notmyname | we've got a table all week for us to use | 19:10 |
| notmyname | I'm bringing a projector, in hopes we can shine it on the wall as needed | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | we'll be in the corner of the room and have plenty of space, I think | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | and I hope that we can use that time for stuff that wasn't able to be scheduled during the summit sessions | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | it will be a great place for ad-hoc swift conversations | 19:11 |
| notmyname | lpabon: do you need anything for conference talk prep? (except my slides) | 19:11 |
| lpabon | food? :-) .. no I don't think so | 19:12 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:12 |
| notmyname | any questions about the swift project pod? | 19:12 |
| cschwede | that sounds cool (pod). is there a schedule or anything else? so we know when to be there? | 19:12 |
| notmyname | I think we should have some sort of paper/flipchart/whiteboard/link in IRC about a schedule | 19:12 |
| notmyname | cschwede: +1 | 19:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: will there be punch and pie? | 19:13 |
| * clayg was lead to believe there would be punch and pie. | 19:13 | |
| notmyname | clayg: you signed up to bring that, right? | 19:13 |
| notmyname | #action clayg to bring punch and pie | 19:13 |
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| creiht | heh | 19:14 |
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| donagh | I had a prposed session -- that;s now in the cinder track | 19:14 |
| notmyname | who can make sure there is a schedule sheet on the project pod sheet? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | donagh: ya, that's next :-) | 19:14 |
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| donagh | its at 4:50 friday ... so some of you may have flown home | 19:15 |
| portante | donagh: I'll still be there, with bells on | 19:15 |
| portante | ;) | 19:15 |
| donagh | ok. We HP guys thought we might be by ourselves | 19:15 |
| notmyname | better yet, if you get to the swift table project pod thingy and there isn't a schedule sheet on the table, please take it upon yourself to make one | 19:15 |
| portante | notmyname: k | 19:15 |
| cschwede | donagh: will be there too | 19:15 |
| cschwede | notmyname: l | 19:16 |
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| cschwede | eh, k | 19:16 |
| donagh | I'm lokiing for a keystone person(s) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | #topic summit prep: summit sessions | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | donagh: has a talk in the cinder track | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking forward to it because of the integration with glance and cinder | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/f9073c8f8e10731c299fab98eb67ba59#.U2pP3vldUjw | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | swift sessions: | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/type/swift | 19:17 |
| notmyname | all of the swift specific stuff is split over thursday pm and friday am | 19:17 |
| notmyname | (so don't go home thursday night) | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | for the swift sessions, remember that this part of the conference is for facilitated discussions, not lecture presentations | 19:18 |
| notmyname | I think there will be a projector there, but please don't give a 40 minute talk about your topic. better to have some high-level discussion things and let the conversation starty | 19:19 |
| notmyname | those who are leading these sessions (ie those who submitted them), do you have any questions or need anything? how's your prep? | 19:20 |
| peluse_ | peluse: good to go | 19:20 |
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| clayg | creiht: is gunna be busy! | 19:20 |
| * peluse_ is talking to himself again | 19:20 | |
| creiht | lol | 19:20 |
| portante | notmyname: still workin a bit | 19:20 |
| creiht | x2 | 19:20 |
| Kota | Kota: I'm in prep but nealy ready | 19:20 |
| notmyname | note that your original submission may now be combined with another | 19:20 |
| notmyname | I'm really looking forward to the sessions :-) | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | I think this is going to be a great summit | 19:21 |
| creiht | notmyname: you say that about every summit :) | 19:21 |
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| Kota | I have a question in my session | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | creiht: and most summits are very good! | 19:22 |
| notmyname | Kota: what's up? | 19:22 |
| creiht | :) | 19:22 |
| Kota | I proposed efficient replication but I found another performance issue for ssync replication. | 19:22 |
| portante | bring it on! | 19:23 |
| Kota | Ofcause I present proposed efficient replication but I'm not sure that issue I found. | 19:23 |
| Kota | portante: Ok, I'll try to include the information. | 19:24 |
| portante | sounds like it will be a good summit session, then | 19:24 |
| notmyname | +1 | 19:24 |
| portante | I think you'll be able to get the discussion going | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | other summit tracks I'd love to have swift participation in are the cross project workshops and the ops workshop | 19:25 |
| notmyname | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/cross-project+workshops | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/ops+meetup | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | both of those have topics that are relevant to us (cross project) and relevant to our users (ops meetup) | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | we have a reputation in the ops world as being the easiest openstack project to administer, so let's continue to listen to the feedback and ensure that we can make things better and help others where we can | 19:26 |
| notmyname | any other questions on the summit sessions? | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on to non-summit stuff | 19:28 |
| notmyname | #topic functional tests | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | portante: you've been working on getting the in-process func tests running in the gate | 19:28 |
| notmyname | what's the status? | 19:28 |
| portante | yes | 19:28 |
| portante | and it appears to be working, though waiting for the merge of master onto feature/ec for it to work there | 19:28 |
| portante | once that happens, we can make it "voting" | 19:29 |
| portante | right now, it is non-voting | 19:29 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:29 |
| notmyname | portante: what about the coverage report? | 19:29 |
| portante | so the coverage report is going to be interesting | 19:29 |
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| portante | first, there is lots of code that are not covered by a strict run | 19:29 |
| notmyname | "strict"? | 19:30 |
| portante | meaning, just run the functional tests once and done | 19:30 |
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| portante | no unit tests (can't cheat) | 19:30 |
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| portante | the daemons are not covered | 19:31 |
| portante | nor is the cli sub-tree | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:31 |
| portante | there are two swift.common modules which are not inoked at all, and a bunch of middleware | 19:31 |
| notmyname | the middleware doesn't surprise me | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | portante: where are we at now for percentage covered in functests? | 19:32 |
| portante | the tact taking for the in-process functional tests was to follow the sample middleware from the conf file | 19:32 |
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| portante | I have not boiled it down to one number, yet | 19:32 |
| portante | thought the raw number now is 54% | 19:32 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:32 |
| portante | gimme a sec, I'll post a link for folks ... | 19:33 |
| notmyname | portante: do you expect to add the cli and daemon testing to the functional tests or improve probe tests to give similar reporting? | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: cschwede (?) next question for you is about the swiftclient tests in devstack | 19:34 |
| portante | I am not sure it is possible to get functional tests to cover cli | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:34 |
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| cschwede | portante: why not? | 19:34 |
| portante | arguably, we'd apply this same tact to probetests, and the daemons would get covered | 19:34 |
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| portante | func tests are all about the REST API calls, the cli commands are more backend type stuff | 19:35 |
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| portante | swiftclient, etc. are the analogous front end cli, and that is, well, out of tree | 19:35 |
| * notmyname is "working" on getting the probetests to run against a non saio | 19:35 | |
| portante | cool, that would be a cool think to knock out over summit | 19:36 |
| notmyname | well, perhaps "interested in" is a better way to say that :-/ | 19:36 |
| portante | or perhaps the hackathon | 19:36 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:36 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: portante: does the just-proposed patch to refactor functests affect the in-process at all? let me rephrase: are you two talking to one another? | 19:37 |
| tdasilva | yes | 19:37 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 19:37 |
| tdasilva | yes talking | 19:37 |
| cschwede | portante: hmm, i need to think about that. i thought we could run functional tests for swiftclient on the gate s well | 19:37 |
| portante | cschwede: what do you mean? | 19:37 |
| tdasilva | no, it doesn affect the in-process | 19:37 |
| notmyname | cschwede: well, that's what I was going to ask you about | 19:37 |
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| portante | are you saying, you want to use the in-process swift servers to run the swiftclient against? | 19:38 |
| portante | that is doable | 19:38 |
| cschwede | portante: no, one second | 19:38 |
| portante | k | 19:38 |
| portante | one | 19:38 |
| cschwede | portante: there are now functional tests for swiftclient too | 19:38 |
| portante | okay | 19:38 |
| cschwede | merged… yesterda | 19:38 |
| cschwede | y | 19:38 |
| portante | okay | 19:38 |
| cschwede | so the idea (from chmouel) was to run these on the gate too | 19:39 |
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| portante | okay, that is doable | 19:39 |
| cschwede | so we need a saio for this, and then run swiftclient functional tests against it | 19:40 |
| notmyname | cschwede: these functests test an arbitrary swift endpoint? | 19:40 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: yes, by using this: https://github.com/openstack/python-swiftclient/blob/master/tests/sample.conf | 19:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ok, cool | 19:41 |
| cschwede | i tried to do it the same way as for swift itself | 19:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede: so SAIO or devstack | 19:41 |
| notmyname | makes sense | 19:41 |
| cschwede | yes, devstack is fine too i think | 19:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede: which is where chmouel's comments about getting it in devstack comes from | 19:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede: otherwise, it's hard to get in the gate | 19:41 |
| lpabon | portante: on cli testing... our QA added funtional tests to cover cli in gluster-swift/swiftonfile | 19:42 |
| cschwede | notmyname: ok, I will have a look at this and try to propose a solution | 19:42 |
| portante | lpabon: okay, we can talk offline | 19:42 |
| notmyname | cschwede: in general, if we have tests that provide value, we should do what's reasonable to get them included in the gate | 19:43 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yes, fully agree! | 19:43 |
| portante | in-process functional tests are all about running paco in the same process as the nose test runner to allow for coverage | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | and I was talking with mordred the other day about getting a better config for swift in devstack. better testing would help here, I think | 19:44 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ^ | 19:44 |
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| portante | adding functional tests for cli commands would be great to have, but I don't think will work with the in-process servers | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: that is to say, if you (and chmouel?) are looking at getting the swiftclient tests in the gate, maybe that will also involve improving the swift devstack config | 19:45 |
| notmyname | anything else to cover about testing here in the meeting? | 19:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: the devstack config is probably fine for functional swiftclient tests | 19:45 |
| portante | more of it | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | clayg: ah, cool | 19:46 |
| notmyname | clayg: which makes sense, actually | 19:46 |
| cschwede | clayg: yes, swiftclient functional should mainly require a basic swift installation, nothing special | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | anything else to cover here this week | 19:48 |
| notmyname | also, as a logistics note, I propose we skip next week's meeting because of the summit | 19:48 |
| portante | is there room at the summit for impromptu scheduled disscussions? | 19:48 |
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| cschwede | anyone attending the sunday afternoon hackathon? | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | portante: that would be the project pod, I think | 19:48 |
| portante | k | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I'm going to stick my head in probably | 19:48 |
| peluse_ | the mother's day hackathon? | 19:48 |
| zaitcev | how can "scheduled" be "impromptu" | 19:48 |
| creiht | heh | 19:48 |
| notmyname | sunday pm storage hackathon | 19:49 |
| notmyname | #link | 19:49 |
| notmyname | #link http://osstorage-hack.eventbrite.com | 19:49 |
| notmyname | wednesday pm swiftstack party | 19:49 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/come-one-come-all-for-a-carnival-yall-tickets-11325708499 | 19:49 |
| notmyname | any other questions? | 19:50 |
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| zaitcev | storage thing looks interestin... I should review the enovance's patch before that | 19:51 |
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| portante | zaitcev: what patch are you referring to? | 19:51 |
| cschwede | zaitcev: you mean for ceph? | 19:51 |
| zaitcev | Swift-on-RADOS | 19:51 |
| cschwede | i will try to move that to stackforge tomorrow | 19:52 |
| tdasilva | link? | 19:52 |
| cschwede | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60215/ | 19:52 |
| peluse_ | zaitcev: yeah, we hjave some interest in that patch as well and will be looking more cloesly soon too | 19:52 |
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| cschwede | there will be a talk as well, and a part of it is related to that patch: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/33c0842a1270efb6df1960f19d996e40 | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | that's during the swift summit sessions | 19:54 |
| cschwede | yes :-/ | 19:54 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for being here today. see you next week! | 19:55 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 19:55:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| peluse_ | for sure! | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-05-07-19.01.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-05-07-19.01.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-05-07-19.01.log.html | 19:55 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 20:00:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | ahoy! | 20:00 |
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| zaneb | why is my window really narrow? | 20:01 |
| tspatzier | hi all | 20:01 |
| pas-ha | hi | 20:01 |
| vijendar | hi | 20:01 |
| rpothier_ | hi | 20:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:01 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:01 |
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| wirehead_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| zaneb | might be a short one this week | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-23-20.01.html | 20:02 |
| zaneb | there weren't any! | 20:02 |
| zaneb | nnnnnnnnnext! | 20:02 |
| zaneb | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-05-07_2000_UTC.29 | 20:03 |
| zaneb | anybody? | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | anybody at all? | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: client request retry policy | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | oo | 20:03 |
| zaneb | k | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | good one | 20:03 |
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| SpamapS | lowered in priority as we move toward convergence tho. :) | 20:04 |
| mordred | SpamapS: you're moving toward convergence | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | I'm converging on convergence. | 20:04 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: for the record I still think your schedule for that is hopelessly optimistic | 20:05 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: fwiw I think that's something we should be driving into the clients, ideally via common library code | 20:05 |
| wirehead_ | Well, that can be a problem. If we're going to start de-prioritizing things like client request retries, we'd better make damn sure we get convergence merged expeditiously. | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: me too, but I've got High Apple Pie up in the SKY hopes. | 20:05 |
| zaneb | #topic client request retry policy | 20:05 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: as opposed to something we want to handle explicitly in heat | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | right.. | 20:05 |
| zaneb | since it appear we already started :D | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | wirehead_: everybody get out and push, right? :) | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: ok, but it's not clear to me how unrealistic hopes are helpful to good planning | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | So I don't mean to be flippant. | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | clients.py is ... primitive. I'm thinking that a client lib should be contributed via a plugin, which matches recent plugins-all-the-things activity | 20:06 |
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| SpamapS | _I_ want a long term solution, but I will certainly chase short term patches for extremely important issues. | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: right, we should do both | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | a client plugin can provide standard handling of things like NotFound ignoring | 20:07 |
| shardy | +1 on anything which avoids while loops in every resources, or heat-specific wrappers for every client | 20:07 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: ++ | 20:07 |
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| SpamapS | The question is, what now is the better course.. driving retry into all other client libs.. or doing while loops until we get to convergence, which is effectively going to be a massive retry loop. :) | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | and eventually could provide a way of invoking client calls with a particular retry policy. Policies could be things like tolerate NotFound, retry on 500, fetch a new token and retry if token expires etc | 20:09 |
| shardy | SpamapS: can't we drive the retry via oslo, that's where all the base client stuff lives right? | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I haven't been following that work. | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | so I am not sure. | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: I don't think every retry scenario could be handled by client libs | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: it's not clear to me that retries would be a bad thing even in the convergence model | 20:10 |
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| stevebaker | anywhoo, I just wanted to start the topic, to see if I should flesh out a clients plugin blueprint to present at http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 | 20:10 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I'm just arguing against fixing it in a way which all of openstack won't benefit from | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: the point of convergence is that you can deal with it when things fail. It's still always better if they don't fail. | 20:10 |
| wirehead_ | Just a data point — in our production experience, we see a LOT more errors that are of the indeterminate case than we do of the simple easy-to-retry cases | 20:10 |
| shardy | retrying failed API calls is hardly specific to heat | 20:10 |
| wirehead_ | e.g. "Hey, we got a 500 from Nova and this means that we may or may not be getting a server" | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | shardy: heat is different to other client users. Horizon has a monkey who can click the button again if a request fails. | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: they would certainly not be a bad thing. The model makes failures less costly is all. | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: cool, we agree then :) | 20:11 |
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| SpamapS | wirehead_: right, undefined states are a bug in Nova and most are impossible to deal with automatically no matter what model we use. | 20:12 |
| shardy | stevebaker: lol ;) | 20:12 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I still think it's a common pattern which should be solved in a common way, once | 20:12 |
| wirehead_ | SpamapS: well, not entirely. For example, you can add metadata to the server and wait-and-see if the server eventually comes up with the metadata you set. | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | eventually client retry policies could be configured via heat.conf, to tailor for snowflake failure modes of particular clouds | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: what about moving to python-openstackclient as our client lib? | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | wirehead_: Most of those are solvable and are more often retryable if the API gives us a user defined guaranteed-to-be-unique-ID. | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | don't know if that has a more consistent interface? | 20:13 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: I think that is a common cli which just depends on all the client libs | 20:13 |
| shardy | zaneb: we could consider that for the v2 API, like keystone has, but it's a fairly user-hostile move IMO | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: that would be pretty sane. But what we saw 2 months ago was that it was still immature. | 20:14 |
| shardy | also there is no support for heat atm (or last time I checked there wasn't) so could be significant work | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | someone should totally add that | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | action, stevebaker to totally add that | 20:15 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I meant to look into it but $other_stuff has got in the way | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I agree that some retry logic should be pushed into client libs, but heat will have to do something for some transient errors | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | anyway, I'll describe my solution during http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/428 and even if we don't do the retry policy, client plugins will still add some value | 20:16 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I'd still like clarification of why heat requires special handling of such errors, vs users getting annoyed when spurious failures happen via horizon or any other service driving other APIs | 20:17 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: not necessarily right now, it can wait for the beer track next week ;) | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | shardy: because tripleo don't want to brick their cloud due to one transient error | 20:18 |
| wirehead_ | mmmm... beer track | 20:18 |
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| wirehead_ | Also, autoscale :) | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | shardy: one thing might be autoscaling, when resources are upd and down constantly | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | wirehead_: stolen | 20:18 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: so they won't, we'll implement convergence and retry from failed states in heat, and client retry-n-times loops in some client code (hopefully common and not all-the-*fooclients) | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: are you suggesting a *rum* track at summit ?! | 20:19 |
| wirehead_ | YARR! | 20:19 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker: lol :) | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | I think in Hotlanta they drink Hennessey. | 20:19 |
| shardy | pas-ha: I still don't get the specialness, you retry until it works, or give up after $n attempts, possibly with some multiplier on the delay between attempts or something | 20:20 |
| wirehead_ | I move that the Triple-O team brings cases of Belgian Trippels. | 20:20 |
| wirehead_ | But seriously, most of what triple-o needs, autoscale needs just as bad if not worse. | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | which errors are getting special handling? | 20:21 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: none, at the moment | 20:21 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: shardy's question is, why is this only Heat's problem? | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I'm probably thinking more of client calls with no side-effects, say a server get should retry a couple of times and ignore any kind of error, then just give up and its no big deal to use the stale server object | 20:21 |
| shardy | well keystone user deletes used to, then I removed it and have not yet reinstated it | 20:21 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, got it, so that's kinda additional error-path tolerance on top of the retry | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: as an aside, KeystoneClientV3 could become one of these client plugins, but it would be registered as 'auth' rather than 'keystone' | 20:23 |
| shardy | zaneb: exactly, stuff randomly failing is a bad experience regardless of what user you are | 20:24 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, cool, well the keystoneclient wrapper is pluggable already | 20:24 |
| shardy | do we really want to abstract every client like that? | 20:24 |
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| shardy | the heat_keystoneclient stuff atm is a bit of a mess and not really something we want to proliferate, IMO | 20:24 |
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| wirehead_ | I feel like these conversations are what leads people to write articles like "Why I don't use any API wrapper libraries ever" | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: its not abstracting it, there will still be direct access to the client lib, but the client plugin can provide extra behaviours like consistent error handling, and invoking client calls with a particular retry policy | 20:25 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, but I'd still prefer us to get what logic we can into the clients | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | its not a wrapper, honest! ;) | 20:26 |
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| zaneb | ok, it seems like we're ready to move on | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | funnily enough, horizon *does* have a wrapper for every client lib | 20:29 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, I was starting to wonder about that. | 20:29 |
| shardy | stevebaker: even more reason not to invent another one IMO | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | ok | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | one last thought.. | 20:30 |
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| SpamapS | it's Heat's problem because Heat's whole reason for being is automation. | 20:30 |
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| SpamapS | so if Heat _can_ automate a solution to an obvious problem, it should. | 20:30 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: I'm not saying don't solve it, I'm just arging where the code which solves it should go should benefit everyone, not just heat | 20:31 |
| sdake | o/ sorry late :) | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I agree, but there would be _some_ behaviours that would be considered too high-level to belong in a client lib | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | shardy: Agree that there are many, even most, cases where the client library should contain the recovery code. | 20:31 |
| zaneb | action items on this? | 20:32 |
| shardy | SpamapS, stevebaker: cool, I think we're pretty much in agreement then | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: me write a blueprint | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: for client plugins | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | me choose color for bikeshed | 20:32 |
| zaneb | #action stevebaker to write a blueprint for client plugins | 20:33 |
| zaneb | #topic Design Summit preparation | 20:33 |
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| wirehead_ | yay! | 20:33 |
| zaneb | I created etherpads for all of the sessions that didn't have one already | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Heat | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | if folks could go there and add in detail on what they want to discuss, that would be helpful preparation | 20:34 |
| shardy | Oh randallburt isn't around, I was going to see if he wanted me to help add detail for the v2 API one | 20:34 |
| wirehead_ | i am wondering if we should create a fresh etherpad for Scaling, Robustness, and Convergence. | 20:34 |
| shardy | I may add some bullet points there anyway | 20:35 |
| andrew_plunk | shardy I would assume he would | 20:35 |
| zaneb | also, we'll need somebody to kick off the discussion in each session, introduce the topic and what the issues are &c. | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Let's see if Ludacris is available | 20:36 |
| zaneb | and if you are the proposer of a session, you are on the hook for finding someone to do that | 20:36 |
| * stevebaker volunteers for https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-summit-heat-sw-orch | 20:36 | |
| shardy | zaneb: I can co-introduce the v2 API one with randall, provided he's cool with that | 20:36 |
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| zaneb | shardy: cool, I think he mentioned already that he was | 20:36 |
| zaneb | I don't need to collect names, just wanted to make session proposers aware that it's on them ;) | 20:37 |
| shardy | zaneb: likewise the auth-model part of the dev/ops session | 20:37 |
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| wirehead_ | zaneb: so, the merged best that became scaling, robustness, and convergence? | 20:37 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: I collected a summary of recent ML discussions on that topic. That gives us more detail on some points for sw-orch and let's us cross out other points already | 20:37 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: ... and I am fine if you run this :-) | 20:38 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: yes | 20:38 |
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| wirehead_ | Who counts as the owner? | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: were there some items we could take off your original list based on that thread? | 20:38 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: lifeless | 20:38 |
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| SpamapS | The really important duty that isn't stated there is that the "leader" of a session's chief goal is to continuously drive the discussion toward the resulting actions of the session. | 20:39 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: yes, based on your comments to the ML post, I think some items are answered | 20:39 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: but if you have something to contribute, bring it | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | tspatzier: ok, do you want to go ahead and butcher that etherpad? | 20:39 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: I thought you didn't want to have "leaders"? | 20:39 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: I do, but they've been distorted into presenters. | 20:39 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: the point is that nobody should be standing in front of the crowd, talking at them. | 20:40 |
| zaneb | ok, we definitely don't want that | 20:40 |
| shardy | SpamapS: +1, and I think we should ban any presentations other than 5mins to give context at the start | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | its more like a chair to keep us on track | 20:40 |
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| tspatzier | stevebaker: I can do it. Maybe let me send you the summary I've got and if you are ok with it I can copy the contents to the ether pad and do some formatting | 20:40 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah. Servent-to-the-crowds and passer-of-the-mic | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | tspatzier: or, we could use the collaborative content tool to collaborate on the content ;) | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | we'll also need volunteers for the note-taking, but we can do that on an ad-hoc basis on the day | 20:41 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: why not :-) I'll just copy my refined collection to the end, we'll hack on it and then remove the old stuff | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: +1 | 20:42 |
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| zaneb | PSA: shardy and I are giving a talk on Monday morning, right after the keynotes | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | #link http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/19c53bb2ba181cd835e24db871612090 | 20:43 |
| therve | zaneb, Do you want some to put a name in the etherpad as the "leader" ? | 20:43 |
| zaneb | it would be great to get as many heat people there as possible to answer questions afterwards | 20:44 |
| shardy | Yeah, come and laugh at my attempt to do a live demo :) | 20:44 |
| wirehead_ | how about we call them "toastmaster" instead of "leader"? | 20:44 |
| zaneb | therve: if you like, but not necessary | 20:44 |
| wirehead_ | Only 50% kidding about that | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | looking for the other Heat talks... | 20:45 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: you have one on software config don't you? | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/dae9536f6bb9ad61b3b2ccf39a18515f | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | #link http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/dae9536f6bb9ad61b3b2ccf39a18515f | 20:45 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker: I copied my content. Feel free to give it a first pass while I go to sleep after this meeting. | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: ok | 20:46 |
| zaneb | #link http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/18a9671f96918adb3d3dbbd35c981338 | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | that ^ is randall and kebray's talk | 20:46 |
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| stevebaker | also I'm on this panel, I'm not sure if it overlaps with our last design session http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/36c43c8b4701c057e2f6aa55c4a53c1c#.U2qbp3V52jo | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | cool, didn't even know about that one | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | hopefully its not one of the bloodsport panels | 20:47 |
| zaneb | hopefully it is :D | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | You mean hopefully it _IS_ | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | 4 men enter, 1 man leaves... In a huff. | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | IMAGE BASED DEPLOYMENTS BITCHES!!!! | 20:48 |
| zaneb | debating TOSCA with Georgy... | 20:48 |
| * zaneb makes a note to bring popcorn | 20:48 | |
| stevebaker | what could possibly go wrong | 20:48 |
| tspatzier | we are running a special session on heat-translator on Thursday afternoon: http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/c94698b4ea2287eccff8fb743a358d8c#.U2qcFi9QwuE | 20:48 |
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| tspatzier | I shared that on the ML already. Not purely Heat, but *very* closely related. Would be great to see many of you there. | 20:49 |
| zaneb | thanks tspatzier, that's going to be a really interesting one I think | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 20:51 |
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| zaneb | anything else? | 20:51 |
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| wirehead_ | I'm assuming we'll see y'all at the summit? | 20:52 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: yep, I hope so. We are also putting together an etherpad with agenda draft. I will send a link tomorrow so people can provide input | 20:52 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: nope, we've decided to go transparent | 20:52 |
| wirehead_ | So I'll walk through the hall and get slapped. A lot. | 20:53 |
| wirehead_ | Cool. | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | I'm coming in disguise | 20:53 |
| zaneb | oh, one reminder | 20:53 |
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| zaneb | we will have a project pod at the summit | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | Any chance we will gather for an informal toast to Orchestration and the end of the magnificent reign of the long line of Steve's? | 20:53 |
| zaneb | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLsjlmrQ6Mw | 20:53 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: I certainly hope so | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | I'll drink to that | 20:54 |
| shardy | +1 :) | 20:54 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: you meant 'reign of terror', right? | 20:54 |
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| zaneb | so I'm not sure about the pod details | 20:55 |
| zaneb | we may be sharing with another project | 20:55 |
| zaneb | but basically it's a big table | 20:55 |
| zaneb | and there will be a flipchart we can use for scheduling | 20:55 |
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| wirehead_ | We'll start acting like the other team. Kinda like pod people. | 20:56 |
| SpamapS | as long as it isn't just a shared iPod.. I'm not putting randallburt's earbuds in my ear.... ;) | 20:56 |
| zaneb | so take advantage of it if you need to continue to discuss something outside the design sessions | 20:56 |
| wirehead_ | I'll run your code, but I won't wear your earbuds, bro. | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | I want to bend some ears about how servers in isolated neutron networks can communicate with heat | 20:57 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: yes | 20:57 |
| SpamapS | and with that.. I must reboot | 20:57 |
| * SpamapS o/'s early | 20:57 | |
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| zaneb | time to wrap up anyway | 20:58 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 20:58:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-05-07-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-05-07-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-05-07-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
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| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:59 |
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| tspatzier | CU all next week | 20:59 |
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