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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 7 16:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| xazel | hey | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | just to know, is there anyone else here with us? | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | hi Renat! | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi! | 16:02 |
| dzimine | hi all ! | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | hi! | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | hi! | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's quickly go over AIs | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Action Items | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| rakhmerov | 1. (all) review and discuss Kirill's stub on MistralTaskflow prototype https://github.com/enykeev/mistral/pull/1 | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | I personally reviewed it with Kirill's help | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | we also had a meeting with Joshua last week where we discussed the further direction of this work | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | currently we're waiting for more detailed design on ideas provided by Ivan Melnikov | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | and enykeev keeps tracking it and working on it | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | Is it any conclusion with intagration TaskFlow in Mistral? | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | enykeev is now writing sorta unit tests for functionality that we need in TaskFlow but doesn't exist yet | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | It's hard to say if there are certain conclusions at this point | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | TF team seems to agree with us almost on all points that we've been discussing | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | we're now trying to convince them to start working on required changes | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway it's going to be tough and take a long time (i'm pretty sure) | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok, next AI | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | 2. (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | it is in progress, Timur has not been effectively available for a while | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | I'll keep it | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | #action (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | 3. Timur, make sure to look at running Mistral tests in devstack gate | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | the same as 2 | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | actually on Friday I got all the information I needed on formal requirements for the project to get incubated | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | this item is just one part of it | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | we're planning to review all these requirements and submit all the BPs bases on this info so that we can assign them | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | #action Timur, make sure to look at running Mistral tests in devstack gate | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | 4. review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81941/ ignoring -1 from murano-ci, change it once we give + | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | this is done | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | it got merged in | 16:13 |
| dzimine | nice | 16:13 |
| m4dcoder | thanks! | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | yes, it's a cool patch | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | thanks Winson | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | nice job | 16:13 |
| m4dcoder | :D | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I asked a couple of question about your latest commits (and other folks too), please take a look | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | generally I'm ok with it, just two things related with project structure and naming | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | 5. Find a solution for the question asked in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83404/2/mistral/engine/data_flow.py | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin, did we decide something on it? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | we had a couple of suggestions last week but I'm not sure if it's still relevant | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | if the problem still exists | 16:16 |
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| NikolayM | nobody gives me some advice regarding to it | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | oooh | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | I think we'll do it in the future | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I agree with it | 16:18 |
| NikolayM | just leave todo | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | I have a couple of thoughts, let's take it offline | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | let's quickly report everyone's status | 16:18 |
| dzimine | I've spent most of my Mistral time reviewing TaskFlow and Mistral integration. | 16:19 |
| dzimine | This week I plan to work with Kirill on this and do post teh summary | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | my status is: fully got TaskFlow based prototype (i was so unhappy with what Kirill had to do to make it all work) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | Kirill did a good job but what I saw just scared me because I made sure again there's a lot of work to do in TF | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | I've added SSH action to our action list and sent the commit - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85733/ | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I also made a series of refinements in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/Blueprints/ActionsDesign and today started working on it (one patch is on review) | 16:21 |
| enykeev | Still working on prototype. Here is first take on Lazy Engine unit https://github.com/enykeev/lazyengine | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I'm planning to spend around 10-12 hours on it | 16:21 |
| m4dcoder | thanks for doing the TF integration guys! i know it's hard work. but i think it'll be better for mistral in the long run toward being an official openstack project. great job! | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, yeah, you're right | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | it's not easy but we made some progress on that | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, do you know what Manas is doing? | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | I'm not sure he has something to do actually :) | 16:23 |
| m4dcoder | I'm removing the local engine. I will be working on moving the engine to a standalone process next. I'll remove "scalable" from the namespace when I do that. | 16:23 |
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| dzimine | he's done with Repeater, and has no next tasks | 16:24 |
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| dzimine | @m4dcoder - are you using oslo messaging the same way as with executors? I would just like to have the engine configurable to run in and out-of-process. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, yes, great. Please leave your comments for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85575/ if we misunderstood something or you are planning to fix these things moving forward | 16:25 |
| m4dcoder | i'll fix. it was a mistake. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:25 |
| m4dcoder | previous it was in conflict with from mistral.engine import engine. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I'll find a task for Manas. | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, guys, any roadblocks in your current work that you'd want to discuss? | 16:27 |
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| dzimine | what is between us and POC? | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | what do you mean by "between us"? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:28 |
| dzimine | what is left to do to complete POC scope? | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | this was going to be our next topic | 16:29 |
| dzimine | run 'realistic' workflow against Openstack cluster? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | #topic POC demo scenario readiness and ways to improve it | 16:29 |
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| dzimine | ok, move on | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | so, the summary | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I was planning to spend the whole meeting today discussing Demo scenario looking at real workflow example | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin keeps working on it, he was able to make something run | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | so, generally it's not done yet, but we're close | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | afaik, nmakhotking joined VM creation and waiting till it's up, right Nikolay? | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | and during his work he fixed several bugs including one in repeater | 16:33 |
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| NikolayM | yes, we can create VM, wait and fetch its IP, wait till OS is up (by sending SSH cmd) and so on | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | so repeater now works fine in different combinations | 16:33 |
| NikolayM | e.g. launch our example app and do http request to it | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | so as far as what's left, I'd really like to finish https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/Blueprints/ActionsDesign | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | everything except plugin architecture | 16:34 |
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| dzimine | rakhmerov, do you plan to remove launchign engine instance on the executor? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | otherwise we won't be able to demonstrate any consistent DSL, it's just ugly now in some places | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, no, I wasn't planning to do it any time soon, I think it's more related with what m4dcoder is doing | 16:35 |
| dzimine | ok. | 16:35 |
| dzimine | yes | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | so, for now, I'd suggest we discuss the scenario in general | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll just remind the idea of it: create VM -> wait till it's up (via SSH action) -> send an HTTP req to preinstalled web service to do some calculation -> destroy VM. In any error scenario send an email | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | I'm not 100% happy with it and there may be more interesting ideas to suggest | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | currently we're targeting to make this scenario work (I believe we're in 2-3 days from the moment it will start working) | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, what do you think? | 16:40 |
| dzimine | we have 4 'real life' scenarios from w4dcoder's team | 16:40 |
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| dzimine | I don't know if they are going to be too complex... | 16:40 |
| dzimine | Renat did you have a look? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes, aren't they too complicated for Demo scenario? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I did but not very deeply yet | 16:41 |
| dzimine | That's what I thought, but take a look may be we can simplify them somehow? | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:41 |
| dzimine | check your mail, too, there was a description of 2 more which I didn't put into workflows yet/ | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | yep, I saw it | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin, can you please also take a look at them all? | 16:41 |
| dzimine | The excercise of writing workflow in YAML is very educational | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:42 |
| m4dcoder | any from murano? for example like building out a cluster of mysql? | 16:42 |
| dzimine | when you do it you really appreciate what's good and what's constrained in the syntax. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:42 |
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| NikolayM | #action (nmakhotkin) take a look at dzimine's and m4dcoder's workflows | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I think we should finish the current one anyway. Since even trying to make this simple thing work we're finding serious problems :) | 16:43 |
| dzimine | Agree: let's stay on course, have this one complete, then add others. | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | and in parallel we need to carefully look at these examples and see if we can make a show out of them :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, as far as Murano, we don't have a complete example from them even though we understand the general idea of how they can use Mistral | 16:44 |
| dzimine | And to move forward to complicated workflows, I suggest we first implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-shorthand-action-in-dsl | 16:44 |
| dzimine | else, writing workflow is a bitch | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | we planned to start a discussion with Murano team this week and see how we can integrate | 16:45 |
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| dzimine | and probably this, too https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-pluggable-task-actions | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, yeah-yeah, absolutely. It's basically now a part of BP I mentioned above | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | which I'm currently working on | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | I had doubts if we need to implement pluggable actions now but I just need to estimate it, I have zero experience with plugin architecture in python | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | belive it's not that hard to do but just want to make sure | 16:47 |
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| dzimine | no let's not do them now, | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | #action Finish current Demo scenario (make it work) and evaluate workflow examples from Winson's team to find better ideas for Demo | 16:49 |
| dzimine | but after we reach the POC scope | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, that's what I thought, right | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we had another topic | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | #topic TaskFlow integration status | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | enykeev, basically I already wrote about it but do you have anything to add on that? | 16:50 |
| dzimine | rakhmerov what do you refer to by 'wrote'? | 16:50 |
| enykeev | i have not. Actually, i'm interested, is there are anything about that in a formal requirements you received at friday? | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | I mean I already wrote briefly about TaskFlow integration status | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | you remember the meeting we had, hah :)) | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | the requirements are basically described in that pull request at github | 16:54 |
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| enykeev | So, basically, right now we are waiting TF team to respond to us with their view on the problem... | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | so it's kind of blurry | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
| dzimine | and we need to finish our summary as discussed last week, and post it out. | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | I guess Kirill is working on it now | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | we have about 4 mins | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | guys, there was an idea today on how we can interact with TF team | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | interested in your input | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | enykeev, dzimine, what do you think if we just start making changes in TF and sending patches to them with what we need? | 16:56 |
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| dzimine | I think we need to give them some time to digest our input | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | maybe it's going to be more effective if we both look at the same code in TF gerrit? | 16:57 |
| dzimine | after which, may be! | 16:57 |
| enykeev | i agree with dzimine, lets not rush with that one | 16:57 |
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| dzimine | other is I really want TaskFlow team to turn to look into making Workflow reach (conditional transtions, etc) | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I just mean we could help them digest a little bit better (faster) :) | 16:58 |
| dzimine | :) | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | yes, that one also scares me, we didn't even touch it so far (my gosh...) | 16:58 |
| dzimine | m4dcoder - what do you think? you see this both ways. | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | 1 min left folks | 16:59 |
| dzimine | call it done :) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's wrap up :) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | thanks! | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 7 16:59:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-07-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-07-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-04-07-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| NikolayM | bye | 17:00 |
| enykeev | see you | 17:00 |
| m4dcoder | bye | 17:00 |
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| m4dcoder | dzimine: i think we should create the bp in TF on the changes we want to make in TF | 17:00 |
| dzimine | that's a great idea, right between waiting and hacking into their code | 17:01 |
| m4dcoder | yep | 17:01 |
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| devananda | hi all! | 19:00 |
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| devananda | who's here for the ironic meeting? | 19:00 |
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| dtantsur | me | 19:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:00 |
| gmatefi | o/ | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | me :) | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | 0/ | 19:00 |
| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 19:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 7 19:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| linggao | \o | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| max_lobur | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda is posted there | 19:01 |
| matty_dubs | \o | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
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| yuriyz | o/ | 19:01 |
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| rloo | o/ | 19:01 |
| agordeev2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:01 |
| devananda | with icehouse closed and the summit coming up, there's not a lot specifically on the agenda | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | wow lots of ppl :D | 19:01 |
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| devananda | so hopefully we'll have plenty of time for open discussion | 19:02 |
| devananda | #topic icehouse backport potential | 19:02 |
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| devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse-backport-potential | 19:02 |
| devananda | last week, two bugs were tagged as backport potential | 19:02 |
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| devananda | if folks are there any other bugs taht folks have found that they feel should be back ported? | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | well | 19:03 |
| devananda | *are there bugs that ... | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | I haven't filed one but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85529 | 19:03 |
| romcheg | devananda: I remember a patch that enabled gpt support for icehouse | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | seems the nodes in gates testing are left on! | 19:04 |
| aburaschi | o/ | 19:04 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: i think lifeless posted to the ML about this? (it's in my queue to read after the meeting) | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:05 |
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| devananda | ok, i'll look into that after the meeting. I see what the patch is doing, but not sure what the bug is | 19:06 |
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| devananda | romcheg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84396/ ? | 19:07 |
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| romcheg | devananda: Oh, yes, thanks | 19:07 |
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| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84396/ | 19:07 |
| devananda | ok, if there are any other critical bugs, pls bring up in channel. let's land fixes for those and I'll back port later this week | 19:08 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | that's a fix for the swap >= 1024MB | 19:08 |
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| devananda | #topic integration testing | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | O am still working on getting the undercloud test going | 19:09 |
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| devananda | adam_g: hi! are you around / any news to share on tempest in the gate? | 19:09 |
| adam_g | still hitting and fixing bugs in tempest that are preventing a 100% passing job for us. most recentlky with some FWAAS tests that were merged last week | 19:09 |
| devananda | :) | 19:09 |
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| adam_g | ironic+devstack+tempest requires we run the suite without isolated tenant credentials (a single tenant), which is not something that is tested often enough in the normal tempest gate | 19:10 |
| devananda | so it is worth calling out to folks that, at this point, the check-tripleo-ironic-seed-precise test should be considered voting | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | i have a patch up to TripleO-element to correct our logging. | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85455 | 19:10 |
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| devananda | if yousee a failure from check-tripleo-ironic-seed-precise, please look into it and don't approve the patch | 19:10 |
| lifeless | NobodyCam: seed should turn them off I think? | 19:11 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 yeah I'm looking into these checks already, trying to not break it | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | lifeless: ok I had put up a wip review to handle in ironic | 19:11 |
| adam_g | oh! we will soon have the nova code's unit tests running in the gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84033/ | 19:11 |
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| devananda | adam_g: interesting. so single-tenant is breaking things not related to ironic or nova? | 19:12 |
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| adam_g | devananda, yes--they are valid bugs in tempest that are fixable, just taking some time | 19:12 |
| adam_g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1302942 is the most recent | 19:12 |
| devananda | adam_g: gotcha. thanks for tackling those! | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1302942 in tempest "fwaas tests are racey" [Undecided,In progress] | 19:12 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: re your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84033/ about moving the nova driver back to nova ... | 19:13 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah I talked to NobodyCam a bit in the #openstack-ironic channel | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | I was mostly concerned about having to add dependencies to ironic (e.g mox) just because of the nova driver | 19:13 |
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| lucasagomes | so as juno opened I thought about trying to get it in nova asap, instead of keep using the ironic tree to develop the driver | 19:14 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: i discussed this a bit with russellb last week. tldr; it's up to nova team, and there needs to be some larger discussions before they'll accept it AND let our tests vote | 19:15 |
| devananda | so I proposed this session for Atlanta | 19:15 |
| devananda | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/215 | 19:15 |
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| devananda | so we can all discuss the challenges in Ironic having a hard depdency on an internal API of Nova's, while we need to maintain asymmetric gating ... | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ah great, yeah I think the soon we iron it out the better | 19:15 |
| devananda | yep | 19:16 |
| devananda | and we need to continue the testing in our tree until then | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | good stuff :) /me reading the session description | 19:16 |
| devananda | looks like NobodyCam just dropped offline ... | 19:16 |
| devananda | any other questions/comments on testing? | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | and I'm back | 19:17 |
| agordeev2 | lucasagomes: mox? i think it was deprecated for new code http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012484.html but IMBW | 19:17 |
| devananda | agordeev2: yes - mox is deprecated, but nova has not fully removed its depenency on mox yet | 19:18 |
| romcheg | agordeev2: But it's still required for the old one | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | agordeev2 its for the nova tests | 19:18 |
| devananda | agordeev2: so for us to run nova's unit tests within our gate, we have had to add mox temporarily | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | agordeev, yeah, but nova still uses it in some parts :( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84033/11/test-requirements.txt | 19:18 |
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| devananda | any updates on fedora support? | 19:19 |
| devananda | dwalleck_: were you working on that? | 19:20 |
| dwalleck_ | devananda: Nope, not me | 19:20 |
| devananda | dwalleck_: hm, sorry for the spam then. | 19:20 |
| devananda | ok, well, moving on ... | 19:21 |
| dwalleck_ | But I could look into that if no one else is. Fedora support for virtual-ironic? | 19:21 |
| matty_dubs | Was someone looking at it? | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | I test things on fedora... it works but I usually disable selinux | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | and have to tweak firewalld | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | I was testing like 2 weeks ago, and it didn't work for me | 19:21 |
| devananda | I think someone (i'm forgetting who) was looking at devstack + ironic testing | 19:21 |
| rloo | someone was working on it and i thought there was an etherpad, but i don't recall where... | 19:21 |
| matty_dubs | I think some of us run Fedora+Ironic, but I'm not sure if there are any open tasks for it? | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | that was dtantsur no? | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: do we have a bug for the firewalld changes that are required? | 19:22 |
| romcheg | It worked for me as well but with selinux disabled | 19:22 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ah, hi! I got the first letter right :) | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | We still have some patches since then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81770/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81807/ | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I have to tweak it to get the dhcp working | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, but, the fedora cloud image for e.g doesn't have firewalld (uses iptables instead) | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | ahh | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | I also started this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82760/ but abandoned for some time (testing instack now) | 19:23 |
| devananda | if someone wants to take lead on that, I think that'd be great | 19:23 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, I think I can step into this again this week | 19:23 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur, nice! | 19:23 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks! | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | would be cool if at some point we get some fedora tests in gate | 19:24 |
| devananda | ++ | 19:24 |
| lucasagomes | go go fedora :D | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | + | 19:24 |
| dtantsur | yep, without tests it's useless effort | 19:24 |
| dtantsur | not completely useless, but still :) | 19:24 |
| matty_dubs | Some work is being done there on the TripleO side, right? That might make it easier for us to interface with. | 19:25 |
| devananda | #action dtantsur to resume work on automated testing on fedora | 19:25 |
| romcheg | do we use cloud fedora cloud images on the gates? | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | ubuntu 12.04 | 19:25 |
| devananda | romcheg: no, openstack CI is all ubuntu precise today | 19:25 |
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| romcheg | whoops too many clouds | 19:25 |
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| devananda | so this would probably have to go into tripleo, or be a third-party CI system | 19:25 |
| devananda | oh, before we move to open discussion, there's one more thing i forgot to put on the agenda, but need to bring up | 19:26 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah, and as matty_dubs pointe out, I think there's a work going on about it | 19:26 |
| devananda | and I'd like to move on so we have plenty of time for the long list of open topics :) | 19:26 |
| devananda | #topic oslo liaison | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:26 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 19:26 |
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| devananda | we (meaning me) havent been great at keeping up with syncing code from oslo-incubator during Icehouse | 19:27 |
| devananda | a few things, like the db, were synced near the end | 19:27 |
| devananda | but Oslo has asked for each project to designate someone as a liaison to keep the project in sync | 19:27 |
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| devananda | particularly as lots of oslo-incubator componets are being split out into new libraries | 19:27 |
| devananda | so, I'd like to ask if anyone wants to volunteer for that :) | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons | 19:28 |
| rloo | what is a 'core committer'? | 19:28 |
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| GheRivero | devananda: I can step in | 19:28 |
| romcheg | devananda: Several oslo folks work in my local team so I think I can be such a guy | 19:28 |
| devananda | it'll also mean attending this session, even if it overlaps with Ironic | 19:28 |
| devananda | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/70 | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | hi GheRivero | 19:29 |
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| devananda | rloo: "core committer" is not a proper term I'm familiar with | 19:29 |
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| devananda | rloo: but I suspect it means a developer actively working on the "core" of the project (as opposed to drivers, etc) | 19:30 |
| matty_dubs | COuld it be a +2-wielding "core"? | 19:30 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: that is specifically a "core reviewer" | 19:30 |
| rloo | devananda. heh, ok. I say romcheg and gheRivero are core committers :-) | 19:30 |
| * dhellmann updates the terminology in the wiki | 19:30 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:30 |
| devananda | dhellmann: thanks! | 19:30 |
| devananda | dhellmann: did I guess right? | 19:30 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 19:30 |
| devananda | romcheg: GheRivero: either one of you would be good. doesn't matter to me which, so I'll leave it to you to sort out :) | 19:31 |
| dhellmann | I tend to use those terms interchangeably | 19:31 |
| romcheg | devananda that is not fear :) | 19:31 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah both of u guys sounds good to me as well | 19:31 |
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| devananda | great. any questions before I open the floor? | 19:31 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:32 |
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| lucasagomes | ok | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | quick question | 19:32 |
| devananda | .. and go! :) | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | I want to promove the set_boot_device method to the core PowerInterface | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | any objections? | 19:32 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | none here | 19:32 |
| romcheg | lucasagomes: +1 | 19:32 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:32 |
| GheRivero | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:32 |
| lucasagomes | I think that was the idea we had when we first thought about vendor_passthru | 19:32 |
| JoshNang | +1 | 19:32 |
| matty_dubs | Will we ever support something like an APC PDU? | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | identify such methods and then promote them | 19:33 |
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| lucasagomes | ack, someone give me an action on it please? | 19:33 |
| devananda | matty_dubs: yes. and SSH driver also does not support this. | 19:33 |
| matty_dubs | Ah, so it's compatible with promotion -- not everything has to support the feature? | 19:33 |
| devananda | so, my thoughts on drivers which /can't/ set boot device is that they'd have it be a no-op. | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | #action lucasagomes to promote set_boot_device to core api | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | matty_dubs, the ssh driver could support it, it just not implemented (we could edit the virsh xml and set the boot order to be network for e.g) | 19:34 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:34 |
| linggao | lucasagomes, set_boot_devide is not a power function, | 19:34 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: sorry :) | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | #action lucasagomes to promote set_boot_device to core api | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | heheh | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, power drivers usually has a method to set the boot order | 19:35 |
| matty_dubs | Yeah, I sort of agree with linggao here. I don't _oppose_ it by any stretch, but it's not universally supported and it's not strictly a power thing. | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, right now pretty much all our power drivers does, seamicro, ipminative and ipmitool | 19:35 |
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| devananda | depending on platform, the change may need to be implemented differently | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | and could be hack / patched in t the ssh driver | 19:36 |
| linggao | lucasagomes, I am proposing a hardware control interface that include more hw control functions, | 19:36 |
| devananda | boot device is a config setting | 19:36 |
| romcheg | I think that is a problem of terminology: should we assume that PowerDriver === BMCDriver? | 19:36 |
| linggao | lucasagomes set_boot_device shoud belong to there. | 19:36 |
| devananda | for hardware, that config is done via BMC today, but it may not always be | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | romcheg++ | 19:37 |
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| devananda | and BMC is controlled via the power drivers today | 19:37 |
| linggao | devananda, here is the proposal: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/98 | 19:38 |
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| NobodyCam | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/98 | 19:38 |
| gmatefi | some boot loaders can take boot device from DHCP options or from other n/w input - not necessarily BMC-driven | 19:38 |
| devananda | linggao: this would seem related to the ceilometer integration work that haomeng has been doing | 19:39 |
| devananda | linggao: using IPMI to gather hardware sensor data from teh BMC | 19:39 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah I can see some overlap with it on #2 | 19:39 |
| devananda | and there may be overlap with console interface, too | 19:39 |
| linggao | devananda, it is more than just data for moniroing. | 19:40 |
| devananda | so perhaps i can rephrase the terminology confusion | 19:40 |
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| devananda | we have drivers and interfaces | 19:40 |
| devananda | examples of a driver: pxe_and_ipmitool | 19:41 |
| devananda | example of an interface: ipmitool.PowerInterface | 19:41 |
| devananda | so perhaps we need a BMCInterface? | 19:41 |
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| devananda | it will be a bit complicated as different drivers may map different functions into that interface's private methods | 19:42 |
| linggao | davananda, we need something like that, but with more general term | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | seems that's what linggao is proposing on that bp/session | 19:42 |
| linggao | davananda, BMC is just one implementation. | 19:42 |
| devananda | linggao: which is why, today, we have interfaces for different functionality | 19:43 |
| linggao | devananda, yes. | 19:43 |
| devananda | perhaps we should create a new ConfigInterface | 19:43 |
| devananda | and put set_boot_device there | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | yeah or, ManagementInterface | 19:43 |
| linggao | devananda, that's why I think set_boot_device does not belong to PowerInterface. | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | right I will give it some thought | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | very good points linggao :) | 19:44 |
| devananda | it sounds like we mostly agree that set_boot_device is not actually a power function, but that it should be standardized and exposed in teh REST API | 19:44 |
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| linggao | devananda +1 | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | + | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:44 |
| matty_dubs | Works for me! | 19:44 |
| JayF | +1 to ManagementInterface, that's a good term for it :) | 19:45 |
| gmatefi | is the internal structure, i.e. to which BaseDriver interfact connect to, affecting the externally visible API in any way? | 19:45 |
| gmatefi | I mean REST API | 19:46 |
| devananda | gmatefi: the REST API has specific controller classes for each interface today | 19:47 |
| devananda | eg, power, provision, console | 19:47 |
| devananda | gmatefi: so, yes | 19:47 |
| devananda | other topics? | 19:47 |
| devananda | 12 minutes left (and it's still an open floor) | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | I have another one | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | blacklist vs whitelist | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1302562 | 19:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1302562 in ironic "Ironic needs a way to disable drivers" [High,In progress] | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | Disk partitioner: sfdisk vs parted | 19:48 |
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| lucasagomes | we need a mechanism to disable/enable drivers, should it be a blacklist or a whitelist... I first implemented as a blacklist | 19:48 |
| boris-42 | devananda *benchmarks* | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | but seems there's some arguments about having it as a whitelist | 19:48 |
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| jroll | I like the sound of a whitelist, fwiw | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | would white or black would be less work for the sysadmin | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:49 |
| jroll | explicit > implicit | 19:49 |
| rloo | what are advs of blacklist? | 19:49 |
| rloo | i like whitelists | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, after reading the bug log and specially rloo comments | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | I like black lists | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | I think whitelist would be a great thing as well | 19:50 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: I think that's a moot point. sysadmins use automation. whether it's white or black, write it once and never look at it again | 19:50 |
| dtantsur | whitelist make it clear that you may want to do some work to enable it (and you do - e.g. install deps) | 19:50 |
| agordeev2 | also devstack related one topic from me. Regarding non-standard port for ssh for testing pxe_ssh driver | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:50 |
| JayF | I prefer whitelist because in a CD environment | 19:50 |
| rloo | problem with blacklist is that if there are new drivers, you have to update your blacklist. | 19:50 |
| devananda | boris-42: sounds like you are volunteering :) | 19:50 |
| JayF | I don't have to change the list my automation puts into place if a driver is added to ironic | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah, that's a good arg | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda yep join Rally=) | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, +1 | 19:51 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: whitelist with sane defaults is my preference | 19:51 |
| JayF | rloo++ gmta | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda it's actually quite simple | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | ack! so whitelist is it | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | I will change my patch | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda to write benchmarks | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, btw | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | so as a whitelist should the fake* drivers been disabled by default? | 19:51 |
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| lucasagomes | to have a production config as default? | 19:51 |
| boris-42 | devananda cause what I saw different things in other project e.g.: http://pavlovic.me/rally/glance_list.html | 19:51 |
| devananda | agordeev2: non-standard ssh port was initially a precaution to avoid breaking infra's access to their own jenkins slaves | 19:52 |
| devananda | agordeev2: if we're not munging ssh access on :22, then it's fine, in my opinion | 19:52 |
| GheRivero | lucasagomes: +1 to disable fake drivers | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | devananda, non-standard ssh port is a pita for SELinux-enabled system | 19:52 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: yes. disable fake* by default, explicitly add them (if we need them) for testing (both in unit and devstack) | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | ack, sweet, thanks ppl :) | 19:53 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that was specifically for the openstack infra environment, which is ubuntu precise | 19:53 |
| boris-42 | devananda *on that graph you see how influence duration of image list command depending on amount of images* | 19:53 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, ok, but devstack is _not_ only for infra; it is recommended as a way to start diving into openstacl | 19:53 |
| agordeev2 | devananda: is non-standard port really used? | 19:53 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: so, if we can fix the issue (maybe it already is -- adam_g ?) where ssh would jump onto the net bridge, then we can have it use :22 all the time | 19:54 |
| adam_g | agordeev, the default is used is in the virtual-ironic job | 19:54 |
| devananda | dtantsur: if not, we should add an ENV var to devstack for that, and set it in -infra's jobs to not-:22 | 19:55 |
| devananda | boris-42: ah. sounds super useful. I'd love tosee stats for ironic's API performance | 19:55 |
| boris-42 | devananda it's quite simple to make | 19:55 |
| dtantsur | devananda, cool. Because this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81807/ got -1 for this approach | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | devananda that benchmark is something like 15 lines of cod=e) | 19:56 |
| boris-42 | devananda btw we can make rally gate in ironic | 19:56 |
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| dtantsur | (patch itself only fixes consequences) | 19:56 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: I'll take a look | 19:57 |
| adam_g | in my local devstacks, i use IRONIC_VM_SSH_PORT=22 with no issue, and i do not work around any issue where ssh jumps interfaces... but in the gate, we're working around that and using the default 2222 | 19:57 |
| dtantsur | devananda, thanks | 19:57 |
| boris-42 | devananda (and yep if somebody from ironic write benchmarks, we will help with adding rally gate) | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | ah ha Ironic is not setting the ssh port in tripleO | 19:57 |
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| adam_g | the ssh port reconfig predates me and im not sure why we do it at all.. as long as we are sure ssh is listening on 0.0.0.0 (the default) we shouldn't need to touch ssh at all | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | 2 minute bell | 19:58 |
| devananda | adam_g: exactly | 19:58 |
| agordeev2 | adam_g: +1 | 19:58 |
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| devananda | adam_g: so I added it a while back, because when I was testing (at that time) it was jumping onto the net bridge | 19:58 |
| adam_g | ill give it some tests on a cloud instance similar to the gate and propose something that guts it from devstack | 19:58 |
| adam_g | devananda, yeah, i remember that | 19:59 |
| devananda | it could have been a bug in neutron or something else that has since been fixed | 19:59 |
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| devananda | but as soon as devstack finished starting up, i'd lose SSH access to the host | 19:59 |
| linggao | devananda, I have a question on console support, I'll take to you on the Ironic channel. | 19:59 |
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| adam_g | #action adam_g to investigate removal of ssh reconfiguration from ironic + devstack | 19:59 |
| devananda | #action adam_g to investigate removal of ssh reconfiguration from ironic + devstack | 19:59 |
| agordeev2 | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81807/ - this patch fixes that ssh breakage | 19:59 |
| devananda | linggao: thanks, | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | time | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | ! | 20:00 |
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| devananda | great meeting, thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 7 20:00:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-04-07-19.00.html | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-04-07-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-04-07-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| gdarling | Hey Banix. | 21:00 |
| Sukhdev | Hello everybody | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | armax, arosen, emagana, SumitNaiksatam, amotoki, garyk, nati_ueno, salv-orlando: ping | 21:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 7 21:02:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| Swami | hi | 21:02 |
| emagana | sorry I am late! | 21:02 |
| emagana | Hello Folks! | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | We're in the process of closing out RC2 | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | We've have backported any of the committed fixes that were tagged -rc or -backport potential | 21:05 |
| emagana | markmcclain: cheers! | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | Are there any critical bugs that necessitates RC2 staying open? | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | a delayed aloha from me. | 21:06 |
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| salv-orlando | parsed all high bugs this morning. None really critical for me. | 21:06 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Did you merge the ODL bug into RC2 from rkukura? | 21:06 |
| * mestery looks for that bug. | 21:06 | |
| markmcclain | Otherwise we're likely to publish RC2 soon and barring any critical bugs this will be the final version | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: I did and amotoki fixed my backport :) | 21:07 |
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| mestery | markmcclain amotoki: Thank you guys both very much! :) | 21:07 |
| mestery | That was the main one I was tracking markmcclain. | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | mestery: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85511/ | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs? | 21:08 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: thanks! | 21:08 |
| amotoki | we already have the difference between icehouse and juno :) | 21:08 |
| phil_h|2 | ran into one today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1303998 | 21:08 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1303998 in neutron "vm fails with error vif_type=binding_failed using gre tunnels" [Undecided,New] | 21:08 |
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| phil_h|2 | It is new not a rehash of the old one | 21:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which is interesting because i sent phil my working config files | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | phil_hi2: can you exclude it has not the same root cause as https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276391 | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1276391 in neutron "ML2 MechanismDriver.bind_port() called inside transaction" [High,In progress] | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | phil_h|2: thanks looks like we'll need to triage this more | 21:10 |
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| phil_h|2 | I will help all I can | 21:10 |
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| phil_h|2 | it is a show stopper for me | 21:10 |
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| rkukura | phil_h|2: Can you check the “neutron agent-show” output for the L2 agents and make sure you see “gre” in tunnel_types? I can followup with you this evening or tomorrow if you like. | 21:11 |
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| phil_h|2 | Yes, I get that | 21:11 |
| phil_h|2 | all show GRE | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | ok the sooner we can get to the bottom of this the better | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | phil_hi2: can you share also neutron.log and your neutron.conf? | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | I'll tag the bug right now as a blocker until we understand it better | 21:12 |
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| phil_h|2 | yes | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain | For those that can discuss let's resume this after the meeting | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | Last call for other RC critical bugs | 21:13 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: it wil be good to include this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1227336 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1227336 in neutron "ml2 plugin update operations" [Medium,In progress] | 21:14 |
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| Sukhdev | uvirtbot: talk about timing :-) | 21:15 |
| uvirtbot | Sukhdev: Error: "talk" is not a valid command. | 21:15 |
| * markmcclain looking | 21:15 | |
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| markmcclain | Sukhdev: concerned about stablity | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | generally at this point we want small patches | 21:16 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: please read my comments on the patch - I think we should consider it | 21:16 |
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| banix | markmcclain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83217/ | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | the patch is 'just' exception handling. Still, I see it at something that will be released with the first stable update | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | unless Sukhdev convinces me something is fundamentally broken and needs to be fixed | 21:16 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: Only non-test code change is passing a flag to 3 existing function calls | 21:16 |
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| banix | the original patch is now marked as work in progress; the one I posted above is essentially 3 lines. | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: right…the release management team has requested that we have a really high bar for changes at this point | 21:17 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev, markmcclain: I’d be happy to have that go in for RC2, but if not, I think it and the binding outside transaction patch could be backported for the 1st stable release | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | and that unless critical we should wait 2014.1.1 | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: agreed | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | also for the first .1 release we'll have lots of test runs in the CI pipeline too | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | rkukura, mestery: how do feel about stability and reliability of ml2 as it is (ie: without these patches? | 21:18 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: I think overall the ML2 stability has been good, but I'd be curious to hear about others that have deployed RC1 as well. :) | 21:19 |
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| rkukura | I’m not sure either of these are issues that have been hit in the gate, or reported from failures in deployments | 21:19 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orlando, rkukura: It gives us opportunity to bake in the ML2 driver behaviour sooner than later - if it makes any sense to you | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | ok, so we'll track them as important for stable/icehouse, but not a release blocker | 21:20 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I agree we should get these in ASAP, but I don’t feel they block the RC | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I was looking for somebody more knowledgeable than me for an opinion on ML2 quality. Look like we're good | 21:20 |
| banix | markmcclain: makes sense | 21:20 |
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| salv-orlando | Sukhdev: Don't mind but you've not convinced me yet… I would still vote for stable/havana | 21:21 |
| rkukura | Hopefully phil_h|2’s issue isn’t a big one ;) | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | however, I'm not part of the stable team so my opinion counts 0 ;) | 21:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | salv-orlando: so you're unstable? :P | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: yeah agreed that is the one I think we need to understand quickly | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | Sam-I-Am: I would say bipolar | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | Ok if anyone has any critical release blocking bugs please contact me directly | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:22 |
| emagana | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:22 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:22 |
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| emagana | sorry... new IRC client! | 21:22 |
| emagana | to make it easy I updated the wiki with all the changes on the Docs | 21:23 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am did a great job with a lot of commits | 21:23 |
| irenab | emagana: please update this one as Merged too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1283334 | 21:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1283334 in openstack-manuals "Add support to request vnic type on port" [Medium,Fix released] | 21:23 |
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| emagana | phil_h|2 and nick as well | 21:24 |
| emagana | Thanks irenab, I will do that! | 21:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the ml2 sections in the install guide work, at least on a few systems | 21:24 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am has been reaching the right people for his questions, I think we are in good track | 21:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | it was marked 'works' before the nova-net stuff :P | 21:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | emagana: can we talk about OVS in the install guide? | 21:25 |
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| emagana | So, I added to the wiki the lists of commits that has been completed. If somebody has a question just reach us out | 21:26 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: I would prefer to have just ML2 | 21:26 |
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| emagana | OVS and Linuxbridge should be completely removed | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | me too! just curious what the opinion is in here | 21:26 |
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| emagana | is anyone having a different opinion? | 21:26 |
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| emagana | speak now or .. you know the rest! | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | the migration issue is what prevent deprecation of ovs in icehouse, right? | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: we have the script now | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | markmcclain: thats what i saw | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont see a reason for a new install to use ovs | 21:28 |
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| markmcclain | so I think we're ready to officially announce deprecation and removal in Juno | 21:28 |
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| salv-orlando | isn't it a bit too early to removed docs for ovs & lb plugins? | 21:28 |
| mestery | OVS and LB should be deprecated in Juno right markmcclain? | 21:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | salv-orlando: this would just be from the install guide | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | We announced them as deprecated in Havana | 21:28 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: +1 | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | so we only need 1 more cycle of support | 21:28 |
| mestery | Cool | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | of course nothing stops us from including in Juno except the amount of deadcode | 21:29 |
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| amotoki | where is the best place to decsribe the step to migration from ovs/lb to ml2 in the doc? install-guide? | 21:29 |
| rkukura | I think we need to make it completely clear in the docs, etc, that juno will not contain the old monolithic plugins, so migration must be done with icehouse before moving to juno | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | my thinking is that we announce that this is the last release with OVS and LB plugins | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | and schedule remove for J-2 | 21:29 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I think we should highlight the "deprecation" in the summit and remove the code for Juno release | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | so that will give us 12 wks | 21:29 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: it will be in the release notes for Icehouse | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | the deprecation should be highligthed in release notes | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | amotoki: in the past, migration was in the ops guide | 21:30 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: I do agree! | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | sorry for repeating markmcclain | 21:30 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: I will make sure that is the case! | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | amotoki: there is a bug for documenting havana->icehouse | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | amotoki: the install guide is primarily for new installs | 21:30 |
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| markmcclain | Upgrade docs are important too | 21:31 |
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| amotoki | Sam-I-Am: understand, but the ops-guide is not bound to a specific release in general. | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | emagana: any other doc items to highlight/ | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | ? | 21:31 |
| emagana | markmcclain: Nothing else | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki: I will include upgrade notes in the release notes | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | amotoki: maybe we need a migration guide :P | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: thanks for the update | 21:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | amotoki: because, moar guide | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | #topic Design Summit | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 21:32 |
| amotoki | Sam-I-Am: agree. i can help on it. | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | deadline is April 20th | 21:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | amotoki: it would be good to have one or more devs from each project working on such a guide | 21:32 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am and amotoki: Let's have that conversation on the mailing list | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | remember it is not first to file, so if you have a similar proposal feel file a duplicate and we'll sort it out | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | also remember the design summit should include a healthy balance of sessions of items that impact the common core (ie testing, parity work) and those that innovate it | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | Any questions on the design summit? | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: hi | 21:35 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:35 |
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| mlavalle | we have continued reviewing api tests | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | great | 21:36 |
| mlavalle | last week we merged another on. We have merged 18 of 27 that we are tracking | 21:36 |
| mlavalle | and we have 2 that only require one more +2 | 21:36 |
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| mlavalle | last week we also recovered all the abandoned patchsets | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | that's good news | 21:37 |
| mlavalle | the bad news is that a new one showed up | 21:37 |
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| mlavalle | but we only have that one abandoned and I will tak to the author | 21:37 |
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| mlavalle | big thanks to HenryG and SumitNaiksatam whoe helped track down the correct FWaaS test | 21:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mlavalle: np, thanks for reaching out | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | cool good to see everyone helping out | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | Any Tempest questions? | 21:39 |
| mlavalle | Can nati_ueno give a review to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83627/? | 21:39 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: sure | 21:39 |
| nati_ueno | mlavalle: sure. | 21:39 |
| nati_ueno | sorry mistake | 21:39 |
| mlavalle | and that's all I have | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: thanks | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for the update | 21:39 |
| mlavalle | nati_ueno: thanks | 21:39 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: is there a list to review? just go to gerrit? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | So the current thinking is that we'll enable full tempests for Neutron after RC2 is cut | 21:40 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: I will send a list to the ML with the 8 patchsets that haven't merged yet | 21:40 |
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| HenryG | We need some strategy to avoid duplicate work in tempest. | 21:40 |
| amotoki | mlavalle: nice. | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | HenryG: what duplicate work? | 21:40 |
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| HenryG | I have encountered many reviews that are the same APIs being tested. | 21:41 |
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| HenryG | The fwaas was just the latest example. | 21:41 |
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| mlavalle | HenryG: in my perception, I think there was some duplication, but not a lot | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | and I rather have that :-) | 21:42 |
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| HenryG | OK, if I am the only one then no problem :) | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | in any case, I can send periodically a list to the ML with the tests identified and that will allow contributors to see if there is duplication | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: that sounds like a good plan | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | it's not uncommon to have several people working at the same thing. This often happens with bugs as well | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | yeah we had 4 proposals for the same bug this cycle :) | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | Gotta game those stackalytics metrics | 21:44 |
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| sc68cal | ;) | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal: tip for that… fix docstrings and other spelling errors | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | So enabling the full tempest test on Neutron is likely to uncover a few more errors | 21:45 |
| enikanorov | sc68cal: i've seen this! :> | 21:45 |
| enikanorov | ;) | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | and could increase the pain for short-term | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | but activating this now will pay off as we can fix these items earlier than enabling in J-1 | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | Any other testing items? | 21:46 |
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| HenryG | Is grenade also going to start voting? | 21:46 |
| amotoki | to make it easy to review in tempest, it seems better we have "neutron" or "network" in summary line :) | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | HenryG: we're not quite ready to enable grenade, but close | 21:47 |
| amotoki | it helps we search similar reviews. | 21:47 |
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| HenryG | amotoki: +1 | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Juno | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: re grenade there is a patch in review for making it voting | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | seems failure rate improved a lot over the weekend | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | #undo | 21:48 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x2171e50> | 21:48 |
| jlibosva | markmcclain: salv-orlando voting was merged few hours ago | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: awesome I had missed that review | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | jlibosva: thanks glad it is now voting | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: thanks a lot! | 21:49 |
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| mestery | I've seen a failure already on a patch where grenade failed in fact. :) | 21:49 |
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| markmcclain | It is big deal for us to have grenade voting | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | thanks to jlibosva and all that assisted | 21:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | is grenade the right place to check configs used for gating? | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: configuration compatibility? | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | or just the configs we use? | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | Sam-I-Am: if youre interested in config files, every job has a directory with them | 21:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | just the configs you use... it seems to be a good way to check things for the install guide | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | then salv-orlando is right it should be available in any tempest based job | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #topic Juno | 21:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | salv-orlando: yeah, i've been using gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | Speaking of config compatibility… this landed in the last week https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84367/ | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | We have no removed the last vestiges of Quantum compatibility from the tree | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | s/no/now/ | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | the only remaining references are in vendor backend code | 21:53 |
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| salv-orlando | please observe a minute of silence in memory of quantum | 21:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | a quantum leap? | 21:53 |
| * mestery waits for all the Quantum jokes to land. :) | 21:53 | |
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| markmcclain | haha | 21:54 |
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| amotoki | we still have many "quantum" in XML API :) | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | amotoki: we have to keep the quantum namespace for XML | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | because it is baked into our API spec | 21:55 |
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| amotoki | markmcclain: yes :) | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | Speaking of Juno I think we as a community should consider dropping XML in K | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | or possibly J, but I will put that on next week's agenda | 21:55 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Ha! :) | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | yeah should be a fun discussion | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | I will begin removing the temporary -2s this week | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | I think we should do the following | 21:57 |
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| * mestery hopes we can get George Reese to attend the Neutron meeting next week. | 21:57 | |
| salv-orlando | deliberately inject a bug into XML serialization | 21:57 |
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| salv-orlando | wait for a few weeks | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | nobody complains --> nobody uses it | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: there were bad bugs in XML for months that nobody noticed | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | especially around serialization | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: so we do not even need to do this. It's probably already bitrotting | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: some would argue that is the case | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | so anyway should be fun next week | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | Lastly if you've got a review that -2'd by me and abandoned, please restore so that I can remove the -2 | 21:59 |
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| markmcclain | Ok we've hit our time limit for this week | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | Thanks to everyone for their work testing RC1 and please test RC2. If you find any release critical issues, please contact me directly so that I can notifiy everyone who needs to track it | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | Have a good week and talk to everyone on the mailing list and IRC | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 7 22:00:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-07-21.02.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-07-21.02.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-04-07-21.02.log.html | 22:00 |
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| nati_ueno | Thank for your great works! bye! | 22:01 |
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| banix | you too. bye | 22:01 |
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