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| sc68cal | Good morning | 14:00 |
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| aveiga | hello | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 14:00:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | Agenda is pretty light today | 14:01 |
| xuhanp | hello | 14:01 |
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| shshang | hola! | 14:01 |
| shshang | Good morning, Good evening! | 14:01 |
| shshang | Hi, Sean, Hi, Xu Han! | 14:01 |
| simon-AS559 | Good afternoon from Zurich | 14:01 |
| shshang | Zurich! Wow | 14:02 |
| shshang | Good afternoon, Simon | 14:02 |
| sc68cal | #topic recap actions from last meeting | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recap actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:02 | |
| sc68cal | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-21-14.00.html last week's summary | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | shshang: Do you have the link handy for the new blueprint, for the two attributes? not sure if I have it in my history | 14:03 |
| shshang | let me check. 1 sec | 14:03 |
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| sc68cal | Ah - I got it | 14:04 |
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| shshang | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ipv6-two-attributes | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ipv6-two-attributes IPv6 two attributes blueprint | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | That was pretty much our action items for last week, thank you shshang for registering the BP | 14:05 |
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| shshang | np, Sean. My pleasure! | 14:06 |
| sc68cal | and thank you everyone for participating on the mailing list discussion | 14:06 |
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| aveiga | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025573.html ML Link to attribute names | 14:06 |
| aveiga | shshang: would you be able to update the BP for the new names? | 14:06 |
| shshang | Yup, I will | 14:06 |
| aveiga | I believe the ML came to a consensus on them | 14:06 |
| aveiga | thanks | 14:06 |
| shshang | yw, aveiga! | 14:06 |
| sc68cal | Awesome. | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:07 |
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| shshang | If we already reached the consensus, can we discuss the action items? | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | sure - what did you have in mind? | 14:07 |
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| shshang | I will quickly wrap up the dnsmasq, but that is only one piece of the puzzle | 14:08 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, will you rebase your existing code to this new blueprint? | 14:08 |
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| shshang | xuhanp mentioned last time, IBM team can help on the backend side. I think that's an excellent idea | 14:08 |
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| xuhanp | sure. | 14:09 |
| xuhanp | we can do that. | 14:09 |
| aveiga | we also need someone to do the api/db changes | 14:09 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: Yes - I plan on rebasing and adding the second attribue | 14:09 |
| aveiga | and neutron-client | 14:09 |
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| shshang | yah, neautron-client is another part | 14:09 |
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| xuhanp | dozy has some code already, can just rebase. | 14:09 |
| xuhanp | for client | 14:09 |
| shshang | IBM team did great job before | 14:09 |
| xuhanp | dzyu, sorry, typo | 14:10 |
| shshang | yes, that will be great if daozhao can rebase the client code | 14:10 |
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| sc68cal | #action sc68cal rebase review to add second API attribute | 14:10 |
| xuhanp | it's chinese new year this week, but we can probably start early next week | 14:10 |
| shshang | so we have coverage for client, dnsmasq, db, how are about API? | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | I'd probably hit the API too | 14:11 |
| shshang | so we have coverage for client, dnsmasq, db, how are about API? | 14:11 |
| sc68cal | since my old review hits it for the one attribute | 14:11 |
| shshang | xuhanp, happy chinese horse year to you and your team! | 14:11 |
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| xuhanp | thanks, shshang ! | 14:11 |
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| xuhanp | is DB my team's focus? | 14:12 |
| shshang | I should be able to get dnsmasq code out for review this week | 14:12 |
| xuhanp | just want to be double confirm that. | 14:12 |
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| shshang | yes, if you guys have bandwidth. | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | My old review covered the DB changes too, remember | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | I don't want to break it up into too many small pieces | 14:12 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, yeah. you are right | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | otherwise it's going to be a hassle to get things reviewed | 14:13 |
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| shshang | So Sean, you want to work on the DB side? | 14:14 |
| shshang | I am fine either way | 14:14 |
| sc68cal | Yeah, I'll hammer it out and post in a couple of hours or so | 14:14 |
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| sc68cal | I plan on implementing the two attributes as Enum in the DB | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | *Enums | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | and the values as strings | 14:15 |
| shshang | to summarize, I will post dnsmasq code, Sean will cover DB/API, xuhanp team will cover client. Is this accurate? | 14:15 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, sounds great that we can get that reviewed really soon! | 14:15 |
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| shshang | who can cover horizon? | 14:16 |
| xuhanp | shshang, by dnsmasq you mean the namespace, routing things, right? | 14:16 |
| shshang | yes | 14:16 |
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| sc68cal | We probably need to register a BP for it | 14:17 |
| sc68cal | I know I had a BP for horizon for the dhcp_mode KW | 14:17 |
| sc68cal | either we update that one or create a new one. I favor creating a new one so someone else can own / manage it | 14:17 |
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| shshang | +1 | 14:18 |
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| shshang | we definitely need a owner for horizon piece. otherwise, it will go limbo | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | anyone has any experience with horizon? | 14:18 |
| shshang | not me....:( | 14:19 |
| sc68cal | I've done a lot of work with Django - so I can assist | 14:19 |
| sc68cal | help bring someone up to speed | 14:19 |
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| shshang | how are about this, put that action item to my name for now | 14:20 |
| shshang | I should have some breathing room next week, so I can work on it | 14:20 |
| shshang | but I do need your help, Sean. :) | 14:20 |
| sc68cal | No problem, would be glad to help answer q's | 14:21 |
| shshang | I only have one question, which is "teach me". :D | 14:21 |
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| sc68cal | Can do :) | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | #action shshang register BP for horizon for two subnet ipv6 attributes | 14:22 |
| shshang | In the meanwhile, we can also send email to ML. If there is anybody else who is more qualified to me, then I can hand it over to him/her. | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | +1 | 14:23 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, do you need any help on the iptables rule work we talked last time? | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | yeah - if you want to pick that off and work on it be my guest | 14:23 |
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| xuhanp | I may need some more details from you to start the work. | 14:23 |
| xuhanp | but glad to help on that one | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | Yeah I'd rather put that back on the queue so someone can pick it up | 14:24 |
| xuhanp | sure. talk to you later on IRC or just here when open topics? | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | I'm in #openstack-neutron so we can collaborate there, walk you through what we need to change | 14:24 |
| xuhanp | sounds great | 14:25 |
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| sc68cal | unless there are any other BP's we can do open discussion? | 14:25 |
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| xuhanp | we need da zhao's address calculation code rebase as well, right? | 14:26 |
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| shshang | yes, that part is unchanged | 14:26 |
| xuhanp | on sc68cal's coming rebase code | 14:26 |
| xuhanp | I will let him know. | 14:26 |
| xuhanp | probably need to wait for next week as well because of the holiday | 14:27 |
| xuhanp | but I guess we can get Sean's code reviewed first | 14:27 |
| shshang | true | 14:27 |
| xuhanp | if it's open discussion, I have one question may sounds silly | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 14:29 |
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| xuhanp | are we going to support NAT64 by L3? | 14:29 |
| xuhanp | I was asked about this the other day but not sure about the answer | 14:29 |
| shshang | Not right now.... | 14:29 |
| xuhanp | since we have some requirements on that. | 14:29 |
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| xuhanp | so I guess that's our mid/long term goal? | 14:30 |
| aveiga | is this in regard to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/023265.html ? | 14:30 |
| aveiga | I think that is something longer term that needs to be decided on, whether it should be internal to neutron, run as a service VM, or be an external project | 14:30 |
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| aveiga | if it's something you need immediately, I'd recommend running a service VM or a load-balancer running a reverse proxy | 14:31 |
| xuhanp | that's what I thought, aveiga, just want to confirm. Thanks | 14:32 |
| aveiga | it wouldn't hurt to discuss option on the mailing list, though | 14:32 |
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| aveiga | it's worth considering | 14:32 |
| aveiga | I'd considered doing IPv-6 only tenant networks by default as well | 14:32 |
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| aveiga | we're not ready yet, though | 14:33 |
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| simon-AS559 | Discussing this on the ML is a good idea. | 14:33 |
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| xuhanp | yep. | 14:34 |
| simon-AS559 | I'd expect the Terastream (Deutsche Telekom) people to be interested in NAT64-like mechanisms as well. | 14:34 |
| aveiga | bring it up, hammer out some plans | 14:34 |
| aveiga | when you have somthing with solid consensus, let's talk milestones | 14:34 |
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| shshang | +1 | 14:35 |
| xuhanp | I will bring that up once get back from holiday | 14:35 |
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| aveiga | I doubt NAT-64 would be radically different from a NAT-44 implementation either, so maybe it's worth rolling a new project for translations | 14:35 |
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| xuhanp | also some new protocols may need to be involved. like 6 in 4 tunnel | 14:36 |
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| xuhanp | will be interesting to check that in details. | 14:37 |
| aveiga | yeah, so bring it up on the ML. If enough people want different things from it, it warrants its own project | 14:37 |
| aveiga | or at least neutron sub-project | 14:37 |
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| shshang | we can have an internal vote before the upcoming summit. :D | 14:38 |
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| xuhanp | shshang, aveiga thanks for the advice. Will bring that up in ML | 14:39 |
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| sc68cal | Anything else for today? | 14:40 |
| shshang | xuhanp, hope you and your team enjoy the holiday and days off! | 14:40 |
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| xuhanp | thank you! | 14:40 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, do you have time now for the iptables rule discussion in #openstack-neutron? | 14:42 |
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| sc68cal | yeah | 14:42 |
| xuhanp | I will move there then. Thank you for that! | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | ok - till next week everyone | 14:43 |
| aveiga | o/ | 14:43 |
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| shshang | Thanks and Bye! //waving | 14:43 |
| xuhanp | bye, everyone | 14:43 |
| simon-AS559 | Bye | 14:43 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 14:43:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-28-14.00.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-28-14.00.txt | 14:43 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-28-14.00.log.html | 14:43 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 15:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | anyone here want to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| toan-tran | I'm here, hi | 15:01 |
| garyk1 | hi | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | Hi n0ano | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | Hi all | 15:01 |
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| gilr | hi | 15:01 |
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| PaulMurray | Are there logs for the last meeting? the ones I can see are from 7th Jan | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, yeah, start from http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/ | 15:02 |
| n0ano | that should work | 15:02 |
| PaulMurray | thanks | 15:02 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, sorry, the 14th was when I change the meeting name to gantt, hence the location of the logs changed | 15:03 |
| n0ano | boris-42, you here? | 15:03 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano yep | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | cool | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi | 15:04 |
| n0ano | #topic no-db status update | 15:04 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano so we made some benchmarks | 15:04 |
| n0ano | boris-42, anything happening? | 15:04 |
| boris-42 | n0ano 1 controller + 128 computes | 15:04 |
| boris-42 | n0ano with Rally | 15:04 |
| boris-42 | n0ano but seems like there are other bottlenecks =) | 15:04 |
| boris-42 | n0ano not related to the scheduler=) | 15:04 |
| n0ano | I hate it when the real word messes with my plans :-) | 15:05 |
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| boris-42 | =)) | 15:05 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano so scheduler is not the first problem (that you will face with OpenStack=) | 15:05 |
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| n0ano | do you know where the other bottlencks are? | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | what are you finding to be the first problem? | 15:06 |
| toan-tran | boris-42 it's the least problem we have :)) | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano my another team is working around profiling stuff | 15:06 |
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| garyk1 | boris-42: which profiling tools are you using? | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | n0ano so we will get "why it works so slowww..." | 15:06 |
| boris-42 | garyk1 we are doing our tool=) | 15:07 |
| toan-tran | boris-42 what is the problem exactly, can you brief? | 15:07 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran idk | 15:07 |
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| boris-42 | toan-tran everywhere =) | 15:07 |
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| boris-42 | garyk1 we are doing own tool | 15:07 |
| n0ano | (I've always said, performance is an infinite resource sink) | 15:07 |
| boris-42 | garyk1 it is based on ceilometer & rpc notifier | 15:07 |
| garyk1 | boris-42: ok, thanks. it would be nice if we all were using the same tool and then could share | 15:07 |
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| boris-42 | garyk1 and this lib https://github.com/pboris/osprofiler | 15:08 |
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| boris-42 | garyk1 i have to find time to finish this work | 15:08 |
| garyk1 | boris-42: thanks. i was looking into zipkin | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | garyk1 zipkin is unmergable into upstream | 15:08 |
| boris-42 | garyk1 so we will get the same result | 15:08 |
| garyk1 | boris-42: ok, thanks! | 15:08 |
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| boris-42 | garyk1 but in upstream without & without zipkin=) | 15:08 |
| n0ano | interesting point, is there an openstack profiler/performance project (and if not, should such a thing be started)? | 15:09 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano I started doing | 15:09 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano and almost finish it.. | 15:09 |
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| boris-42 | http://pavlovic.me/drawer.html < it will look like this | 15:09 |
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| boris-42 | there are couple of oslo patches | 15:09 |
| boris-42 | and it's all | 15:10 |
| garyk1 | cool | 15:10 |
| boris-42 | garyk1 I hope I will find time to finish it | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | Was that BP you mentioned earlier for this, if so I can see if I can get some people interested in helping out | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | actually, that was a link to the github source tree, is there a BP? | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, yt? | 15:13 |
| n0ano | well, boris-42 seems to have dropped off, let's move on for now | 15:14 |
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| n0ano | #topic scheduler code forklift | 15:14 |
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| n0ano | Don't know if you all have been tracking but I've put in a patch for review that gets the gantt tree to pass all scheduler tests and also the tree works as a scheduler for nova | 15:15 |
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| n0ano | cf the commit at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68521/ | 15:15 |
| n0ano | (as always, reviews are very welcome) | 15:16 |
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| alaski | n0ano: awesome. I'll take a look at it when I have a moment | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 top work | 15:16 |
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| n0ano | with this change we can then start the work of disentangling gantt from nova and truly turn it into a separate service | 15:16 |
| n0ano | also, I've completely ignored the client side of the work, we have a bare bones tree but I don't even know where to start with that. | 15:17 |
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| n0ano | anyone who wants to look at the client side feel free. | 15:17 |
| coolsvap | n0ano: I had started with initial things | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | how is tempest doing, are the tests passing when running gantt now? | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, not sure, Jenkins is completely happy, how do I run tempest | 15:18 |
| * n0ano has noticeable holes in my openstack knowledge | 15:18 | |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, you need to change check-tempest-dsvm-full to use gnatt for the scheduler, using your devstack changes | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | it would be good to start running that against nova too, so people spot when the break gnatt with their changes to nova | 15:19 |
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| n0ano | that'll require some infrastructure changes, I'll need help on that | 15:20 |
| n0ano | speaking of devstack... | 15:20 |
| toan-tran | sometimes after updating nova I got problems with RPC API | 15:20 |
| n0ano | I have the patch up for review to add gantt but nobody has looked at it | 15:20 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67666/ | 15:20 |
| toan-tran | should we precise the RPC version for gantt? | 15:20 |
| garyk1 | i started to look at the devstack pacth today but got sidetracked. i'll comment soon | 15:20 |
| n0ano | reviews for that would be `really` good | 15:21 |
| n0ano | garyk1, great tnx | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: its not too bad, they have documents, and you can specify stuff that goes into devstack localrc, relating to a job config, but not done that in anger before | 15:21 |
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| n0ano | Robert Collins helped (as in did all the work :-) setup the gantt tree, I'm sure we can get this put in also | 15:22 |
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| n0ano | up until now that gantt tree didn't work as a scheduler so now is the right time to put in the tempest checks | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | that's pretty much where we are on the forklift so moving on | 15:24 |
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| toan-tran | Gantt is strictly tight to nova, should we precise nova in requirements? | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | toan-tran, not sure what you're asking? | 15:25 |
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| toan-tran | the RPC version is freeze in gantt, | 15:26 |
| toan-tran | it may cause some incompatibility when importing from nova | 15:26 |
| n0ano | probably, I consider the importing from nova a transitional phase, the goal is to cut the cord as soon as possible | 15:27 |
| n0ano | I don't want to formalize the nova import too much, I just want it to go away | 15:27 |
| toan-tran | then maybe we have to put it in oslo | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | toan-tran, yes, I would imagine that, rather than duplicate code between nova & gantt it should go into something like oslo instead | 15:28 |
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| n0ano | moving on | 15:29 |
| n0ano | #topic policy based scheduler | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | toan-tran, the floor is yours | 15:29 |
| toan-tran | n0ano thanks | 15:29 |
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| toan-tran | I have uploaded the code of the blueprint here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61386/ | 15:30 |
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| toan-tran | the purpose is to create scheduler that is capable of applying different policies in different contexts | 15:30 |
| toan-tran | like an aggregate, an avaialbility zone, or for a particular (group of) user | 15:31 |
| toan-tran | we came up with this after working a while with different scenario | 15:31 |
| toan-tran | especially when thinking of pcloud | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | like the AggregateRamFilter we have today? | 15:32 |
| toan-tran | yes | 15:32 |
| debo_os | how are teh policies defined | 15:32 |
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| toan-tran | here is an example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61386/7/etc/nova/scheduling_policy.json.sample | 15:33 |
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| toan-tran | it's JSON format, as the current policy.json | 15:33 |
| garyk1 | toan-tran: does this overlap with work that inbar and alex are doing? | 15:33 |
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| toan-tran | part of it, yes | 15:33 |
| Yathi | what is an example - target - effect - condition | 15:34 |
| garyk1 | that is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58480/. thanks for the update | 15:34 |
| toan-tran | Yathi: target = an aggregate | 15:34 |
| toan-tran | Effect = RamOverProvisioning (1.5) | 15:34 |
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| toan-tran | Condition = all/time/exceptional condition , etc | 15:34 |
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| toan-tran | that's the standard of policy based management system | 15:35 |
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| toan-tran | garyk1 in fact when we started working with scheduler | 15:35 |
| toan-tran | we looked at the multi scheduler blueprint | 15:35 |
| garyk1 | toan-tran: nice to hear | 15:36 |
| toan-tran | the problem was that it uses flavor metadata for customizing scheduler | 15:36 |
| toan-tran | then looping between scheduler --> filter --> metadata --> scheduler ... | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I like the policy file approach, but I assume we could have both places as data sources? And so unify the two blueprints? | 15:37 |
| toan-tran | johnthetubaguy : the idea of active schedulers already comes from multi schedulers | 15:37 |
| toan-tran | :) | 15:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool | 15:38 |
| toan-tran | but we start design it as a policy based management system | 15:38 |
| toan-tran | not as a scheduler per se | 15:38 |
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| toan-tran | thus it is more like a scheduling center to call other schedulers, which implemeneted as "plugins" | 15:39 |
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| toan-tran | each plugin is correspondent to a policy rule | 15:39 |
| toan-tran | example | 15:39 |
| Yathi | so i am guessing you can switch the scheduler drivers based on policy at runtime | 15:39 |
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| toan-tran | "service_class" = gold ==> calling plugin with parameter gold | 15:40 |
| toan-tran | Yathi yes, that's the purpose | 15:40 |
| toan-tran | we have implemented a plugin "generic" | 15:40 |
| debo_os | so you basically have named macros or named references to drivers | 15:40 |
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| toan-tran | which is basically a "filter-scheduler" with customizable filters/weighers that admin can change in real time | 15:41 |
| toan-tran | debo_os : yes | 15:41 |
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| toan-tran | I think that in some usecase like pCloud | 15:41 |
| toan-tran | user would like to define their own policy for his bare-metal servers | 15:41 |
| toan-tran | it would not interferre with the remaining of the datacenters | 15:42 |
| Yathi | so you are tightly coupling your code to Filter scheduler then ? what happens if we have the solver scheduler driver in.. which does schuduling based on constraints in future ? | 15:42 |
| debo_os | got it ... but how would users define their policies .... | 15:42 |
| toan-tran | debo_os : by using our rule languae | 15:43 |
| toan-tran | language | 15:43 |
| toan-tran | much like how admin use filters now | 15:43 |
| toan-tran | Yathi: solver scheduler can be called also | 15:43 |
| toan-tran | Yathi I think of using the rules to pass filters as parameters to solvers | 15:44 |
| toan-tran | that's why I'm interested in how you use the filter/weighers list to constitute the constraint | 15:44 |
| toan-tran | in fact we also figured how we can cooperate with sovler sheduler | 15:45 |
| Yathi | toan-tran - agreed this is the work, some of my team members are doing currently - to add pluggable constraints - hopefully we can sync up later on | 15:45 |
| toan-tran | Yathi +1 | 15:46 |
| toan-tran | I think solver is very interesting in term of optimization | 15:46 |
| debo_os | toan-tran: any pointers to your rule language .... | 15:46 |
| Yathi | I am in the process of first getting my solver scheduler code ready for review.. will work with you later on | 15:46 |
| toan-tran | I documented in the doc in gerrit link | 15:46 |
| debo_os | thx | 15:47 |
| toan-tran | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61386/7/doc/source/devref/scheduling_policy.rst | 15:47 |
| toan-tran | here it is | 15:47 |
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| toan-tran | currently we implemented some plugins in the /plugins folders | 15:48 |
| toan-tran | they just call filters and weighers on the host_states | 15:49 |
| Yathi | Toan-tran - I like this work, and I am willing to collaborate on this further | 15:49 |
| toan-tran | Yathi +1 | 15:49 |
| n0ano | toan-tran, OK, tnx, looks like you sparked some interest | 15:49 |
| n0ano | moving on. | 15:49 |
| n0ano | #topic instance groups | 15:49 |
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| debo_os | code up for review | 15:49 |
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| toan-tran | Yathi I can send you what we think of the connection between the two | 15:49 |
| n0ano | garyk1, did you want to give an update | 15:49 |
| debo_os | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62557/ | 15:50 |
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| debo_os | ok ... I can chime in for Gary if he has stepped out | 15:51 |
| n0ano | debo_os, looks like, go ahead | 15:51 |
| debo_os | the code is up for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62557/ | 15:51 |
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| debo_os | Right now it looks big due to the docs and the v2/v3 API in the same patch ... one comment has been to split it up | 15:51 |
| garyk1 | sorry, i was looking at something else | 15:51 |
| n0ano | debo_os, I saw that, 3k lines is a bit daunting | 15:52 |
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| debo_os | +1 but its mostly docs .... and we reduced a lot of code by removing an extra layer | 15:52 |
| garyk1 | i guess breaking it up into smaller pieces may help with the review process. | 15:53 |
| debo_os | which ws due to pre-object era design (this original code is old) | 15:53 |
| debo_os | so does it make sesne to do 3 splits - v2, v3, doc | 15:53 |
| n0ano | debo_os, that sounds like a good plan to me | 15:53 |
| debo_os | ok | 15:53 |
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| n0ano | OK, moving on | 15:54 |
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| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:54 |
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| n0ano | in the last few minutes, does anyone have any opens? | 15:55 |
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| n0ano | hearing crickets, we'll close in... | 15:55 |
| n0ano | 3... | 15:56 |
| n0ano | 2... | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | Reviews welcome for the caching scheduler | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67855 | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | its rough | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | currently profiling and tuning stuff | 15:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but would be interested in what people think | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | it helps a bit in some cases | 15:57 |
| gilr | toan-tran: would you publish your view of the connection between policy-based with solver on the mailing list ? | 15:57 |
| gilr | we might have something to contribute there | 15:57 |
| toan-tran | gilr : yes | 15:58 |
| gilr | toan-tran: excellent | 15:58 |
| n0ano | 1 | 15:58 |
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| n0ano | tnx everyone, we'll talk again next week | 15:58 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 15:58:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-01-28-15.00.html | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-01-28-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 17:08:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders julienvey ping | 17:09 |
| hughsaunders | \o boris-42 | 17:09 |
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| miarmak | hi all | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's start probably other will be soon | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | today we will discuss as usually updates | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | 1. Changes in CLI | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | 2. Tempest stuff | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | 3. LXC engine / Multihost deploy stuff | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | 4. Benchmark scenario validators | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | 5. Benchmarking without admin users | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | 6. OpenDiscussion | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | #topic Changes in CLI | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders could you say updates in CLI? | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | about* | 17:13 |
| hughsaunders | so main thing is that julienvey has done some brilliant work on persisting environment | 17:13 |
| hughsaunders | which allows cli to set a default deployment and refer to that in future commands | 17:14 |
| hughsaunders | this has been added to deployment create and other commands that require a deployment | 17:14 |
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| hughsaunders | Also added the option of creating a dummy deployment from environment variables | 17:14 |
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| hughsaunders | any others I've missed? | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep it's all that was merged | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders ahh no there is work from stannie | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders "rally deployment check" | 17:16 |
| hughsaunders | ah yes, stannie added the deployment check command | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | that allows us to check that deployment work and returns all available services | 17:17 |
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| hughsaunders | apologies stannie! | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | as well he add pretty output if endpoints are wrong | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | So during this week we are going to rework plot CLI | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | and add some other types of plots + refactor existing | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | #topic Tempest stuff | 17:18 |
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| julienvey | hi, coming in a little late | 17:19 |
| stannie | hi, sorry for the delay, was in another meeting :) | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | julienvey stannie nice =) | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | glad to see you=) | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | So the idea of tempest is to have command that will validate cloud | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | so something like "rally validate start" | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | that will run tempest | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | against cloud that we are currently "use" | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | process results and store them | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | also as future improvements we would like to add some tasty commands | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | rally verify list (to show all uuid of validation results) | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | rally verify show (with detailed infromration) | 17:21 |
| stannie | that will be a great addition | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | rally verify <some specific set> | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | so procreated sets of tests (for nova/glance/..., short tests/..) and so on | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | I think this will be very useful for community | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | so we faced some troubles …. | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | there is no pypy for tempest | 17:23 |
| hughsaunders | :( | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | and we have to make "git clone" | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | sdague ^ | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | So we are going to make some dirty code to handle this.. | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | I think that we should make command like rally verify install | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | that will install tempest in some rally directory (e.g. rally/verify/tempest) | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | miarmak stannie julienvey hughsaunders thoughts ^ | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes ^ | 17:25 |
| miarmak | In this situation, I don't have another varients | 17:25 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: I was wondering if there is a good git python library, so we don't have to shell out | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | hughsaunders: not really :( | 17:26 |
| stannie | can't we build a bundle of tempest with pypy and use it directly ? | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | hughsaunders: best approach is to write a tempfile with a shell script and execute a series of git commands by shelling out | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | jaypipes or just use shell from python .. | 17:27 |
| hughsaunders | jaypipes: thats a shame, but I guess reasonably straightforward | 17:27 |
| jaypipes | boris-42: right... that's what I described :) | 17:28 |
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| hughsaunders | I like stannie's idea, I wonder if infra would be up for adding a pypi-publish job for tempest, or if it is deliberately not published | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | okay so we will use some kind of Popen()? | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | boris-42: only if more than a few commands, better performance from just shelling out once and running a script. | 17:28 |
| miarmak | mb subprocess? | 17:28 |
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| jaypipes | boris-42: use openstack.common.processutils? | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | hughsaunders: I think stannie was talking about pypy, not pypi :) | 17:29 |
| stannie | nah pypi, was a mistake :) | 17:29 |
| jaypipes | oh! :) sorry. | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | so okay guys at this moment we will make … git clone somehow | 17:30 |
| miarmak | =) | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | then we will try to coordinate with openstack-qa guys | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | to make it cleaner | 17:30 |
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| jaypipes | boris-42: https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/openstack/common/processutils.py#L84 | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes ^ I know I know..=) | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | so next topic | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | #topic LXC engine / Multihost deploy stuff | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | sooo seems like redixin is missing second meeting.. | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | so I will have to make some updates | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | So for that who don't know what is it | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | It is actually the super fast way to get your cloud with deployers and servers that you have | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | Like I have 5 servers | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | and I would like to deploy on 1 controller | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | on other 2 I would like to create 100500 cinder nodes | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | and on other 2 I would like to create 100500 nova nodes | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | so using Multihost eninge we are able to describe 1 controller section and 2 nodes sections | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57240/25/doc/samples/deployments/multihost.json | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | like here ^ | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | for describing each controller we can use any of deployers in Rally (there will be at least 3 deployers) | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | dummy (returns existing endpoints) devstack and fuel | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | for nodes you are able to use actually only DevStack | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | (I am not sure that we will support fuel) | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | and you are able to use LXCEngine + DevStack engine to make rappid deployment using approach of copy pasting them | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | here is the sample https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56222/20/doc/samples/deployments/devstack-lxc-engine-in-dummy.json | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | so this allows us to get for 20 minutes really huge cloud | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | boris-42: so controller/compute/whatever is deployed into an LXC container? | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes it depend | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes if you are using LXCEngine yes | 17:37 |
| * jaypipes has never been able to install OVS in an LXC container because of the shared kernel. | 17:38 | |
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| jaypipes | curious to see how it was doe. | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes yep with Neutron we can face some problems.. | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | done... | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | ah... k. | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes I hope we will find the way to resolve them with some kind of Neutron fake OVS driver | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | jaypipes the goal of such deployment is to figure how works DB/AMQP/CodeInfrastracture/Scheduler at scale | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | not about networking/virtualization and so on | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | And with LXC controllers we are able to create really huge clouds in half on hour with tons of physical resources | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | containers* | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | so there was an issue that Rally have to work on controller server (that I didn't know) | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | so I didn't have success yesterday to run it | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | But Sergey fixed this issue and I will try one more time | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | If it work I will merge in upstream =) | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | And we will get weapon against bottlenecks in infrastructure=) | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | jaypipes hughsaunders julienvey stannie questions? | 17:42 |
| jaypipes | none from me, thx boris-42 | 17:43 |
| hughsaunders | I have no experience with LXC, but should test that patch, sounds good for testing some things at scale | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders the goal of that stuff in Rally is to avoid learning LXC=) | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders just put right config and it will do all work for you=) | 17:44 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: I'll test | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders thanks=) | 17:44 |
| stannie | no boris-42, except that would have been interesting to integrate docker for easier LXC manipulation and snapshots feature :) | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | stannie hmm but it is easy... | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | stannie I mean I don't see where it will be easier with docker.. | 17:45 |
| stannie | you snapshot your openstack infra at a given time, then launch some tests, re-deploy to another snapshot, compare the results | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | to another snapshot? | 17:45 |
| stannie | but anyway as jaypipes said, we will still encounter a lot of issues with neutron, network ovs etc :/ | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | I mean why not just deploy it from source? | 17:46 |
| stannie | from source ? | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | like now | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | we are creating 1 lxc container | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | then ./stack.sh with correct locarl | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | localrc | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | then start N from snapshot | 17:47 |
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| stannie | ok | 17:47 |
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| stannie | didn't know we were able to do this yet :) | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | stannie this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56222/ | 17:48 |
| stannie | ok didn't see the patch 20 | 17:48 |
| stannie | patch set* 20 | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | there is no big difference.. | 17:49 |
| stannie | ok | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | stannie so pls test it as well=) | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | stannie and we will merge it finally=) | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | #topic 4. Benchmark scenario validators | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami hi | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | olkonami could you share your results? | 17:50 |
| olkonami | hi | 17:50 |
| olkonami | basic patch with validators adder was merged yesterday | 17:52 |
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| olkonami | and validator for image_id is on review now | 17:52 |
| olkonami | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68055/ | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | so guys if you have some time take a look at these patches ^ | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | 5. Benchmarking without admin users | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 5. Benchmarking without admin users | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | So Mike done already all required patches | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | the idea is to be able to run part of benchmarks against procreated users without admin role | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | so there are couple of changes in scenario runner | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | if there is no admin users we should create new temp users and then delete them | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | and as well we don't have ability to run part of benchmarks (like keystone benchmarks) | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | patches are here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/rally+branch:master+topic:bp/benchmarking-with-predefined-users,n,z | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | jaypipes hughsaunders julienvey stannie questions? | 17:56 |
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| jaypipes | nope | 17:57 |
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| stannie | nope | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | #topic atomic actions | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | stannie do you have any updates? | 17:57 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: not from me, ability to run partial scenario may be useful, so we can avoid creating sub scenarios (like authentication?) | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders authentifaction sutff is great | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders (but it should be in keystone benhcmarks) | 17:58 |
| hughsaunders | yep | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders I think we will add some kind of decorator | 17:59 |
| hughsaunders | julienvey is good at that :) | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders e.g. @admin_required for benchmarks that are only from amdins | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders lol =) | 17:59 |
| julienvey | hughsaunders: ;) | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | stannie do you have any updates?) | 17:59 |
| julienvey | hughsaunders: if my patch finally gets merged ! | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | Okay guys nice meeting | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | now we should move out this chat | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 18:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-28-17.08.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-28-17.08.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-01-28-17.08.log.html | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | keystone meeting! ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| dstanek | hi | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| fabiog | hello | 18:00 |
| ayoung | KEYSTONE! | 18:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| dolphm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: I like the ping at the beginning of the meeting, that's nice | 18:01 |
| joesavak | o/ | 18:01 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: ++ lazy ftw | 18:01 |
| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 18:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| marekd | o/ | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| dolphm | #topic Reminder: Icehouse feature proposal freeze February 18th (features must be in code review) | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminder: Icehouse feature proposal freeze February 18th (features must be in code review) (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| morganfainberg | i was zoned out reading an article, would have missed the meeting w/o the ping | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | similar to the havana cycle, but with more advance notice, so the date is set a week earlier than havana-m3 :) | 18:02 |
| topol | dolphm, I thought Feb 18 was for blueprints? | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, bug fixes and non-feature work will continue afaict. | 18:02 |
| dolphm | topol: ++ ? | 18:02 |
| ayoung | topol, code needs to be submitted for review | 18:02 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++; bp's not in Code Review will be bumped to juno-m1 | 18:02 |
| gyee | topol, code need to be able to compile | 18:02 |
| topol | k code submitted by Feb 18th. got it | 18:03 |
| dolphm | gyee: it needs to be feature complete | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | gyee: half baked features that compile will be bumped ;) | 18:03 |
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| gyee | ah | 18:03 |
| bknudson | submit a change "TODO: implement the feature" ... then we -1 it | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | things still heavily in flux near the deadline should be bumped as well, but we can go case by case if necessary | 18:03 |
| dolphm | bknudson: or -2 in this case | 18:04 |
| ayoung | So after Feb 18...start working on your features for Juno | 18:04 |
| dolphm | similarly, feature freeze is March 4th -- the actual merge deadline | 18:04 |
| dolphm | so that gives us two weeks to fight the gate | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | hopefully we will spend some time fixing bugs | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | and maybe improving logging? | 18:04 |
| ayoung | "I fought the gate and the gate won." | 18:04 |
| topol | dolphm, whats the relase date. Is it in April or May? | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, thats nice, gives a couple weeks to massage code/argue about any details (not-feature specifc), pass gate | 18:04 |
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| topol | Gate always wins | 18:05 |
| dolphm | topol: April 17th https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 18:05 |
| gyee | cancel your valentine party people, code freeze on the 18th! | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, heh | 18:05 |
| dolphm | any questiosn? | 18:05 |
| topol | Nope | 18:06 |
| ayoung | St. Valentines day Massacre! | 18:06 |
| dolphm | or questions, depending your spelling ability | 18:06 |
| dolphm | #topic Hackathon retrospective | 18:06 |
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| topol | Sorry wife, dolphm, says I have to spend valentines day night coding. No fancy dinner | 18:06 |
| gyee | dolphm, so for extensions, spec can still get in after I2 right? | 18:06 |
| dolphm | i don't want to spend too long on this, given that we have two more interesting topics on the agenda as well | 18:06 |
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| topol | Hackathon was awesome. Learned a lot | 18:06 |
| ayoung | gyee, externsion, defaulting off, can go in post I2, yes | 18:06 |
| dolphm | sounds like everyone wants to make this a regular thing | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:07 |
| ayoung | Yup | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | it was great. | 18:07 |
| gyee | ayoung, cool | 18:07 |
| ayoung | in SA, in July! | 18:07 |
| ayoung | Um...wait | 18:07 |
| fabiog | dolphm, ++ | 18:07 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: ++ | 18:07 |
| ayoung | Aw, hell ,we wnever really got outside durnig the day anyway, SA in July! | 18:07 |
| dolphm | but -- unless someone wants to jump in and host, i'm going to go ahead and start planning for same time (week before end of juno-m2)? | 18:07 |
| topol | we like going to San Antonio | 18:08 |
| dolphm | topol: easy enough for me | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that sounds like a good plan. | 18:08 |
| topol | Enjoyed the free m&ms | 18:08 |
| dolphm | i'm going to look into Geekdom vs using the Customer Experience Center again -- geekdom has the advantage of no transportation necessary | 18:08 |
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| dolphm | hotel, food, and workspace will all be walking distance | 18:08 |
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| joesavak | that'd be cool | 18:09 |
| gyee | and entertainment? | 18:09 |
| dstanek | dolphm: geekdom would be great | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah, geekdom sounds like a better option overall (not that the CEC was bad) | 18:09 |
| bknudson | what's geekdome ? | 18:09 |
| dolphm | topol: i'll bring you a bag of m&m's next time | 18:09 |
| joesavak | http://www.geekdom.com/san-antonio | 18:09 |
| dstanek | dolphm: claco says it's moving about 3 blocks away from the Valencia | 18:09 |
| dolphm | #link http://www.geekdom.com/ | 18:09 |
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| * topol had my physical when I got back from San Antonio. Thanks to all the great food dr put me on a diet | 18:10 | |
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| morganfainberg | topol, heh | 18:10 |
| dolphm | topol: there's your excuse for v-day | 18:10 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, put in your request now for the mid-Juno Hackathon | 18:10 |
| topol | getting dates nailed down would be good so we can start working on approvals as well | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: heh, still got to put in for summit | 18:11 |
| ayoung | topol, need to know the Juno schedule | 18:11 |
| dolphm | guessing based on the release schedule, i'm going to tentatively say it'll be the last week in july | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | topol, likely specific dates can't happen until ATL | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | but, we can give a estimate window and nail it down right after the summit | 18:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, ooh...good to know. Much later than that and I will have a conflict | 18:12 |
| dolphm | but there won't be a final release schedule (or hackathon date) until the Juno release schedule is chosen at the summit in atlanta | 18:12 |
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| topol | k thats fine | 18:12 |
| dolphm | topol: say, plus or minus a week at this point | 18:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it almost seems like early in Juno 2 would have the biggest impact, we don't need to do it right before API freeze | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that's also VERY close to the summit (within a couple weeks) | 18:13 |
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| gyee | ayoung, great idea, start with a bang | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, but aiming too early means we wouldn't have had some of the federation work/convos | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, and usually m1 is short compared to m2 | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i also found the first day of the summit to be the most productive -- focusing on landing already-implemented code | 18:14 |
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| topol | dolphm ++ | 18:14 |
| dolphm | m1 is halfway over by the time we leave the summit | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | i mean, maybe we aim for 2wk before m2 deadline? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | feels like it, anyway | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | instead of the week before? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | I think having 2 weeks afterwards would be better. | 18:15 |
| bknudson | we try to shove too many big changes into the last week. | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | a little more room to get things done after hackathon vs. rushing | 18:15 |
| ayoung | Summit ends May 16. July 18 is 2 months after. I think that would be a good planning number | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ++ more time to review and iterate | 18:15 |
| ayoung | 16-18? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | i'm good with that. | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | that means we'll have more code to write, less code to land, and likely less discussion overall? | 18:17 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i don't think 1 week will change things massively. | 18:17 |
| bknudson | I find it hard to believe this group would have less discussion. | 18:17 |
| fabiog | I guess the real question is the purpose of the hackaton | 18:17 |
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| fabiog | if it is to plan it should be 2 weeks | 18:17 |
| joesavak | are we having a discussion about having discussions? | 18:17 |
| fabiog | if it is to deliver, probably dolphm is right | 18:18 |
| ayoung | fabiog, to push along the essential features prior to API freeze | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | joesavak, nah, discussion about discussions in meetings | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | IOK...we have fun things to talk about for realz | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | i'm definitely happy to try a different week -- i was just personally happy with the timing in icehouse | 18:19 |
| bknudson | seems like a lot of the code written at the summit would have been written at the summit no matter when it was. | 18:19 |
| * topol Next hackathon plz dont ditch me when I try and meet up at the mexican restaurant.... uh they just left... | 18:19 | |
| dstanek | i think there is opportunity for discussing the design of features as they are being written | 18:19 |
| dolphm | topol: you didn't show | 18:19 |
| topol | next time I'll take a selfie in front of the restaurant with my watch | 18:20 |
| ayoung | Speaking of Summit...do we know hotels etc yet? | 18:20 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, don't think so | 18:20 |
| bknudson | I'm assuming the summit will be at the convention center in atl. | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #action dolphm to aim for 2 weeks before juno-m2 deadline | 18:21 |
| dolphm | ayoung: http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-atlanta-2014/ | 18:21 |
| topol | Georgia world congress center | 18:21 |
| dolphm | no hotel announcement yet, but it says to expect it in january *shrug* | 18:22 |
| dolphm | "We'll be posting links to the call for speakers, registration, and discounted hotel room block rates in January so please follow the OpenStack blog and twitter for more updates. " | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | Federation? | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:23 |
| marekd | yes please | 18:23 |
| * dolphm sidetracked | 18:23 | |
| dolphm | #topic Federation with Apache | 18:23 |
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| dolphm | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025570.html | 18:23 |
| marekd | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025570.html - i posted this yesterday | 18:23 |
| marekd | dolphm: ++ | 18:23 |
| ayoung | marekd, /OS-FEDERATION/tokens/identity_provider/(.*?)/protocol/(.*?) works ? That is kool | 18:23 |
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| marekd | ayoung: yes and no :) | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | what doesn't work? | 18:23 |
| dolphm | marekd: from your email, i was a little lost on what didn't work / what you were asking from the community? | 18:24 |
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| marekd | ayoung: if i hit that URL apache matches the URL and fires the wsgi url, but it stores PATH_INFO to "/" and this is what kestone (routes in particular) try to match as a URL. | 18:24 |
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| dolphm | marekd: at the end of your email, you mentioned that "the initial input is lost" -- what input are you referring to? | 18:25 |
| marekd | dolphm: it was my idea, i was expecting to get some comments, maybe questions or just general approval. | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | but it stores PATH_INFO to "/" what does that mean? That you lose all of the /OS-FEDERATION/tokens/identity_provider/ URL? | 18:26 |
| marekd | dolphm: i thought we could use a static URL, instead of dynamic with IdP name and used protocol, but then you would have to somehow send what IdP and what proto you are going to use - this could be normally done in a HTTP POST, right? | 18:26 |
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| bknudson | is it just the POST operation to get a token ? (like /v3/auth/tokens) | 18:26 |
| dolphm | oooh, i think i understand | 18:26 |
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| marekd | ayoung: yes. when you hit keystone it tries to match urls with the value from env variable PATH_INFO. | 18:26 |
| marekd | ayoung: when you NORMALLY hit keystone with your request. | 18:26 |
| marekd | sorry guys, i am having too many questions now.... | 18:27 |
| ayoung | is there an apache config option to pass the whole path to mod_wsgi? | 18:27 |
| dstanek | why isn't the full URL in PATH_INFO? | 18:27 |
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| marekd | this is how apache sets that env var. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | marekd, dstanek OK, something to research | 18:27 |
| dolphm | dstanek: apache is serving an app at the full path, so it discards it? | 18:27 |
| ayoung | lets assume it is a solvable problem and move on | 18:28 |
| dolphm | ayoung: well, it's a major blocker if it's not | 18:28 |
| dstanek | marekd: send me the apache config you are using when you have a chance - i'd love to poke at this | 18:28 |
| dolphm | but it's got to be solvable -- anyone with deep httpd experience want to lend marekd a hand? :D | 18:28 |
| dolphm | yay | 18:28 |
| dolphm | #action dstanek to help marekd with httpd + mod_shib config | 18:28 |
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| marekd | dolphm: when i configure my apache to match path say.... /a/b and then hit it with /a/b/c/d the apache will match it correctly, but set PATH_INFO to /c/d. that's why when you run keystone w/ apache you always set WSGIAlias / /path/to/keystone.wsgi | 18:28 |
| marekd | dolphm: cool! | 18:29 |
| dolphm | marekd: ++ that's a good explanation | 18:29 |
| ayoung | I can pull in some of the FreeIPA type people, too | 18:29 |
| marekd | dstanek: pasting ocnfig. | 18:29 |
| marekd | dstanek: nothing fancy though... | 18:29 |
| dolphm | marekd: i'm familiar with this behavior, but i've never had to work around it | 18:29 |
| ayoung | post the config for all to see, please | 18:29 |
| dolphm | i wonder if httpd exposes the original request URL in another variable somewhere | 18:30 |
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| marekd | dolphm: | 18:30 |
| marekd | yes | 18:30 |
| marekd | REQUEST_URI | 18:30 |
| marekd | but it doesn't matter | 18:30 |
| marekd | since you will not even touch right pipeline | 18:30 |
| marekd | i though about making dummy middleware | 18:31 |
| dolphm | oh, yikes. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | the WSGI binding code can handle that | 18:31 |
| marekd | but it would be something between apache and routes library. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/httpd/keystone.py | 18:31 |
| marekd | http://pasteraw.com/aumfv8jkjt9gabxtf4dp9poojv7rai3 | 18:31 |
| dolphm | marekd: sounds like the actual federation endpoint needs to be it's own application, rather than in middleware | 18:31 |
| ayoung | we can change anything from https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/httpd/keystone.py on down | 18:32 |
| marekd | ayoung: if you have any idea, just let me know. i have already some workarounds, but not too clean... | 18:32 |
| ayoung | marekd, so...this is a detail we can solve. Anything else? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | we might need to append a /auth or something to the full federation endpoint to distinguish between CRUD and auth as well | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, that might not be a bad approach | 18:33 |
| marekd | ayoung: if you are fine with my idea, i'd be happy to implement it this week. that's what i actually was expecting. | 18:33 |
| marekd | i will later ping ayoung and dstanek | 18:33 |
| dolphm | i think we understands the problem, at least -- enough to follow up after the meeting | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | marekd, heh, I thought it was *my* idea. So, yeah, I'm happy with it | 18:34 |
| dolphm | or in open discussion if we have time | 18:34 |
| dolphm | #topic If can't call identity from assignment... | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "If can't call identity from assignment... (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:34 | |
| dolphm | bknudson: o/ | 18:34 |
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| marekd | ayoung: okkkk, execution. | 18:34 |
| ayoung | marekd, +1 | 18:34 |
| bknudson | I posted a bunch of places where we call identity from assignment | 18:34 |
| marekd | ayoung: my implemenation..whatevs. | 18:34 |
| dolphm | there's a bunch of meeting notes on the agenda for this one https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, those should not be a problem | 18:34 |
| marekd | ayoung: not trying to steal anybodys ideas :P | 18:34 |
| bknudson | and what we can't do if we can't call identity | 18:34 |
| ayoung | it is OK to call assignment from identity | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | so move them into identity? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | marekd, nah, you are rocking hard. I love what you are doing, and there are a lot of details to dust up here. Keep on keeping on | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: correction... | 18:35 |
| ayoung | bknudson, list X for users is do-able from the identity side, assuming we know the groups for that user. | 18:35 |
| marekd | ayoung: :-) | 18:35 |
| dolphm | it's okay to call identity from assignment (and vice versa) at the controller layer | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, list_projects_for user should be doable w/o calling ideneity | 18:36 |
| dolphm | at the driver layer especially it's entirely not acceptable | 18:36 |
| ayoung | It is its the cases where we have never seen the user before, and do not know their groups that will bne problematic\ | 18:36 |
| bknudson | what's the difference between controller layer and backend? | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, maanger or controller? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | regardless of where the logic lives, the problem is the data | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | if we don't know about the user, for example, a federation use case where we've never seen the user before, list projects for user is going to come up with Bupkis | 18:37 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: managers are a grey area IMO :-/ i can go both ways | 18:38 |
| gyee | with Federation, always use groups, using user is asking for trouble | 18:38 |
| gyee | always map user to a group | 18:38 |
| ayoung | So...those APIs are going to be useless. Now, more interesting is that we can still do get_roles_for_group | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think cross-system talk should be manager -- regardless. | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | gyee, ++ | 18:38 |
| ayoung | but groups are coming out of the identity backend, too | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | gyee++ | 18:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: that's fine -- but let's do it more consistently then | 18:38 |
| ayoung | we don't have groups in Assignment, and I think that is OK | 18:39 |
| gyee | OpenStack should really think about the persona approach | 18:39 |
| ayoung | for now...someone will want them eventually | 18:39 |
| gyee | how to come up with pre-canned groups | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, sure, that was that business logic refactor i did earlier on that allowed us to break v2/v3 controller interdeps | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, anyway..back on topic here | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i'll continue with that cleanup as we go on. | 18:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:39 |
| dolphm | totally forgot about that :) | 18:39 |
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| bknudson | are there going to be some operations that are ok to call on identity backend? | 18:40 |
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| bknudson | like list_groups_for_user? | 18:40 |
| dolphm | bknudson: from where? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | i think groups_for_user is a hard one short of caching. | 18:41 |
| bknudson | dolphm: they could be called via REST API or they could be called from some other backend. | 18:41 |
| ayoung | We need to rework the token provider code into a pipeline. I think that some of the ugliness that bknudson is tripping over comes from doing Identity calls in that token provider, and they need to be early on in the pipeline to clean up the distinction | 18:41 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ? backends should not cross-talk with other backends | 18:41 |
| dolphm | bknudson: but we're saying that managers can | 18:41 |
| ayoung | bknudson, only for the "embedded IdP" | 18:41 |
| dolphm | bknudson: does that clarify things? | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: out of scope here? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | so, if a domain is stored in the Keytone Identity backend, then "list_groups_for_users" is OK | 18:42 |
| bknudson | dolphm: ok, this is more of an architectural decision | 18:42 |
| ayoung | but for federation, it will not work. | 18:42 |
| bknudson | but if I can call identity from assignment then I could just move the current calls in the backends up to the manager. | 18:42 |
| dolphm | bknudson: agree; but does that distinction make sense / answer your question? | 18:42 |
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| bknudson | so the keystone server could continue to validate that the user exists, for example | 18:42 |
| dolphm | bknudson: basically, yes | 18:42 |
| bknudson | well, what's missing is that keystone can't tell if a user exists anymore or not | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | assignment shouldn't care if the user exists for those calls, it could... in general just report the state of the mapping, right? | 18:43 |
| bknudson | do you have to define all users in keystone with federation? | 18:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: no | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i don't see a need to validate existence of a user. in fact i think we discussed at one point exactly that, assignment doesn't care | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | it just maps | 18:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: users don't exist in keystone with federation | 18:43 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:44 |
| bknudson | do the group assignments exist in keystone? | 18:44 |
| gyee | group assignments yes | 18:44 |
| dolphm | it's a bit of a special case, architecturally assignment could try to validate users, but we don't want it to | 18:44 |
| bknudson | if the group assignments don't exist, then self.identity_api.list_groups_for_user(user_id) doesn't work. | 18:44 |
| bknudson | so you can create a group and add a bunch of non-existant user-ids to it? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | yea, list the direct assignments for a user id, or, if you know the groups, list the assignments by way of the group_ids. That is completely within the Assigment backend. But list roles for user assumes that you do the lookup by way of the groups | 18:45 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that we might need to refactor a bit, or it won't/shouldn't be in the code path for federated users, and the mapping engine will output a list of groups to be used | 18:45 |
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| bknudson | identity backend also does self.identity_api.list_users_in_group(group_id,domain_id) -- so if we have groups in keystone then that would work find. | 18:46 |
| bknudson | oops, first identity there should have been assignment... | 18:46 |
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| bknudson | it's used in delete_grant. | 18:46 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that's not a call that makes sense for federation either | 18:46 |
| dolphm | there are no users to get | 18:46 |
| gyee | correct | 18:47 |
| dolphm | so, it would be an empty list, at best | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | ok, so we're going to keep the call in there. | 18:47 |
| dolphm | bknudson: if that's all it's used for, it'll be replaced with a revocation event | 18:47 |
| ayoung | grants are always made to a single entity. Delete grant should be no problem | 18:47 |
| bknudson | looks like for federation we won't be able to revoke tokens (by list) | 18:47 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, federation likely needs revocation events | 18:47 |
| dolphm | bknudson: correct | 18:47 |
| ayoung | no reason to confirm tha the entity exists. If it doesn't, the grant is just latent and bogus | 18:47 |
| bknudson | tokens revocation would probably have to use ayoung's events. | 18:47 |
| ayoung | :) | 18:47 |
| bknudson | it's all coming together. | 18:48 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | :D | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 18:48 |
| ayoung | All my plans are coming together.... | 18:48 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i just hope the implementation does! | 18:48 |
| bknudson | ok, you've given me enough to think about. | 18:48 |
| dolphm | cool | 18:48 |
| dolphm | #topic Possibly make domain role inheritance default/non-optional | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: o/ | 18:48 |
| topol | death or glory is where we are at :-) | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | so, i was talkign to nova folks | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it might possibly be the coolest code I have written | 18:48 |
| dolphm | this sounds like an API backwards compatibility? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | incompatibility* | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | and they want to do some heirachical work e.g. instances are domain aware based on projects | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | so a domain admin can look at other project instance lists w/o rescoping | 18:49 |
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| dstanek | is it possible then for a latent grant to be hanging around and then some entity does exist with that ID and gets the grant by chance? | 18:49 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: that breaks the domain / project abstraction | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, currently they have API calls to list instances across all projects | 18:50 |
| ayoung | dstanek, "chance"? | 18:50 |
| dolphm | dstanek: assuming uuid's, the chance is low | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | Well, that is why I want the Id scheme that we discussed at the hackathon | 18:50 |
| dolphm | dstanek: that's something to think about before pursuing user-defined ID's system-wide | 18:50 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, isn't that inherited roles are for? I am lost | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, and they want to include domains, but a rescope seems silly just to access the instances (internal to nova) | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | user_id needs to be one part from Keystone (domain id) and one part from the IdP | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'm not following the need | 18:50 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: if there is even a chance we should probably document it somewhere | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | so basically, to do domain-wide actions in nova, the thought was to assert against a known domain role | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | that would be inherited to all projects so you know it's there | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | e.g. "domain admin" | 18:51 |
| ayoung | so if I grant a role to userid="abc123@456fed" it will only ever possibly match other users from domain_id 456fed | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | rahter than having to have domain admin assigned in each and every project | 18:51 |
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| gyee | why do you need domain admin? | 18:52 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: "list all instances regardless of project" is a use case for "admin" API / service-scoped tokens, IMO -- it's inherently not a multi-tenant or cross-tenant call at all | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | the crux is that w/o OS-INHERIT becoming a default (or non-optional) you can't guarantee a role like that could be created | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | as projects are owned by a domain doesn't a domain scoped token let you access them anyway | 18:52 |
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| jamielennox | (guess, never tried that) | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ok, what about list all instances in a domain | 18:53 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: not by default | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | i'm a domain admin, not a cloud admin | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | i want to know everything goin on in my domain | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | not all of nova either | 18:53 |
| bknudson | are they going to have somethink like GET v3/instances/{domain_id} ? | 18:53 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: then i think you need to follow the basic rules of multitenancy | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, they are just starting conversations about it | 18:54 |
| bknudson | GET /v3/instances?domain_id=xxx | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ok so the answer is.. you can't do it? | 18:54 |
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| bknudson | seems more like a container. | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | it's about knowing what makes someone a domain admin | 18:54 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, is there a wiki/bp where the use cases are documented? | 18:55 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: well you can, but i think the client should be generating a bunch of tokens (or you need v4 multi-project tokens) | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think we're going to get hammerd on this one then | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, tbh. | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, but thats fine i brought it up to see our view. | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think we can solve this with a token version change (not api change) but token versions independant of api versions will be Juno at best | 18:56 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: if you're adding a field that doesn't require a new version? | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | operations are enforced at the point of contact. If you want a new policy on Nova that says "project must be in a domain X and user has role R on daomin X" you can do that | 18:56 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i think multitenancy is a poorly understood problem :( everyone wants it at face value, and then doesn't understand the implications... | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, fair enough im happy to bring that argument back to them. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | We can't treat policy as something fixed and jump through hoops to do all of the magic in Keystone | 18:57 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that make sense? | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sure. | 18:57 |
| bknudson | if nova has the right resources they should be able to do this with policy | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | ++ | 18:57 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: let's map out the user cases and options | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but they don't | 18:57 |
| dolphm | ayoung: my argument is that nova has no reason to be domain aware -- domains are not providing multi-tenancy to nova... projects are. | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: ++ | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, actually, domains as constructed are poorly understood and imply a secondary level of multi-tenancy | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | domains effectively provide multitenancy to keystone, quotas, billing, etc | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | (time is about up) | 18:59 |
| ayoung | If I had known that Nova was not planning on supporting domains, I might have pushed back harder on them | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ok, so what if nova wants to do domain quotas now as well? | 18:59 |
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| jamielennox | but as a project is registered in a domain there should be certain things that a domain scoped token can do to projects | 18:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it sounds like they do -- and i'm sort of in favor of an actual quota service to solve that problem | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | a domain = customer, and domain can have 1000 instances regardless of number of projects | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, assuming Nova can match the project to a domain. If not, we have to do the majik | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | (but i can't see why nova needs to know any of them) | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | we can circle back up on this in -dev and discuss outside of the meeting before i go back and chat w/ nova folks | 19:00 |
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| dolphm | ++ | 19:00 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 19:01:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-28-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-28-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-01-28-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, meh...inherit is there for just this purpose | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | infra o/ ? | 19:01 |
| marekd | going home, see you guys! | 19:01 |
| fungi | heyo | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | clarkb: you chairing or shall i? | 19:01 |
| clarkb | fungi: either way. | 19:01 |
| mordred | hey all - I've gotta run for the hills and get in a car | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | I can do it | 19:01 |
| fungi | go for it | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | mordred: boo | 19:01 |
| mordred | sorry :( | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 19:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| * clarkb digs up last weeks links | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-21-19.03.html | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| clarkb | so last week was a bit crazy and I don't expect many actions were addressed but lets see how we did | 19:03 |
| clarkb | reed: has smarcet been hooked up with a mentor for infra things? | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | I guess read is grabbing lunch, we can come back to that | 19:04 |
| fungi | clarkb: he has | 19:04 |
| fungi | mrmartin (marton kiss) is helping smarcet out | 19:04 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:04 |
| clarkb | fungi: awesome. | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | #action mrmartin work with smarcet to get through infra processes | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | mordred did investigate manage-project failures and found that running it by hand is fine, running under puppet is not | 19:05 |
| fungi | maddening | 19:05 |
| clarkb | currently if you make changes that would normally trigger manage-projects you need to log into the server and run it by hand as a result | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I think we should decouple it from puppet and do something simple like have an at job that puppet create when it would normally trigger manage-projects | 19:06 |
| clarkb | but we don't need a solution for that now | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | #action mordred find a way to run manage-projects automagically without puppet | 19:06 |
| fungi | agreed | 19:06 |
| clarkb | jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 are still not upgraded | 19:06 |
| fungi | nope. bad me | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I will take that action from fungi so that he doesn't have all of them | 19:07 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:07 |
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| * fungi already has enough ammunition for self flagellation over here | 19:07 | |
| clarkb | #action clarkb upgrade jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 to 1.543 and upgrade zmq plugin and scp plugin everywhere | 19:07 |
| clarkb | fungi: how is the graphite whisper file move? | 19:07 |
| fungi | not yet started ;) | 19:07 |
| clarkb | #action fungi move graphite whisper files to faster volume | 19:08 |
| clarkb | fungi: same for whisper file pruning? | 19:08 |
| fungi | #action fungi prune obsolete whisper files automatically on graphite server | 19:08 |
| clarkb | the chef telemetry project rename did not happen as it will apparently break the chef cookbooks until the requester gets back from vacation so we are putting that off until sometime next month | 19:09 |
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| fungi | right. postponed for now | 19:09 |
| clarkb | does anyone know where we are on lifting/removing the virtualenv pin? | 19:09 |
| * anteaya is sitting in a salt tutorial and would enjoy working with mordred on the manage-projects | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | I don't recall that happening | 19:09 |
| fungi | clarkb: nothing yet, unless there's a pending change i haven't spotted | 19:10 |
| clarkb | #action anteaya assist mordred in automating manage-projects again | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | #action mordred to lift virtualenv 1.10.1 pin when we're ready to babysit it | 19:10 |
| clarkb | zaro: where are we on pointing zuul dev at gerrit dev? I think I saw a change for that | 19:10 |
| clarkb | zaro: and can we get an update on the gerritbot and jeepyb situation with new gerrit | 19:11 |
| * zaro checks review | 19:11 | |
| * fungi hasn't reviewed that one yet, sorry :/ | 19:11 | |
| zaro | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68271 | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | last I saw jeblair had a comment about another update required | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68271 | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that | 19:11 |
| zaro | didn't realized it got -1, i'll have to update. | 19:11 |
| zaro | ok. so testing review-dev.o.o with gerritbot and jeepyb | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #action zaro to point zuul-dev at gerrit-dev | 19:12 |
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| zaro | verified gerritbot works, no changes required there. | 19:12 |
| zaro | jeepy will require some patches. will probably submit some today. | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | zaro: should probably submit bugs as you find things to help track what breaks | 19:14 |
| zaro | while testing i also found bug with jeepyb and mysql-python which i believe already got merged. | 19:14 |
| clarkb | yup that merged | 19:14 |
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| zaro | clarkb: yes, will do, just getting it all toegther. | 19:14 |
| zaro | also there will need to be an update to gerritlib due to the fact that gerrit replication command changed | 19:15 |
| clarkb | #action zaro to review jeepyb integration with new gerrit and update gerritlib for gerrit 2.8 | 19:15 |
| zaro | i also noticed that gerrit version commmand is only available on ver 2.6 and after. | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | zaro: I think you can assume if that works that you have 2.6 or newer and if it fails you have older | 19:16 |
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| zaro | so not sure how we can make gerritlib compatible with both ver 2.4.x and ver 2.8 | 19:16 |
| zaro | i mean how to make the gerritlib replication command compatible | 19:16 |
| clarkb | zaro: I think you rely on the presence of the command | 19:17 |
| clarkb | and its non presence | 19:17 |
| fungi | basically try to do it the new way and if you get a failure try the old way | 19:17 |
| zaro | ahh. yeah, that workks. | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I think we should move on. lots of stuff on the agenda | 19:17 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:17 |
| clarkb | #topic Trove Testing | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | no mordred or hub_cap or slicknick | 19:18 |
| reed | clarkb, he has, all under control | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | I suppose there isn't much to say about trove testing | 19:19 |
| clarkb | #topic TripleO Testing | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | pleia2: lifeless: I think there is plenty to say about this. Want to fill us in? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ | 19:19 |
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| fungi | there have been a few issues over the past week owing to some sort of neutron failure on the ci cloud | 19:20 |
| * fungi digs up the bug | 19:20 | |
| pleia2 | right, so last week we made a bunch of progress | 19:20 |
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| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271344 | 19:20 |
| fungi | if we start build/delete looping in nodepool and see ssh timeout errors in the log as the cause, raise the alarm in #tripleo | 19:21 |
| fungi | they've been digging into it | 19:21 |
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| pleia2 | I'm also working on getting a fedora jenkins slave up | 19:22 |
| fungi | and i think the fedora images are still pending some changes before they'll work | 19:22 |
| fungi | that | 19:22 |
| clarkb | #info if nodepool gets into a build/delete loop with tripleo cloud raise the alarm in #tripleo | 19:22 |
| clarkb | but tests are running nonvoting in the check queue | 19:22 |
| clarkb | which is quite the accomplishment | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | I am excited for the eventual baremetal testing. Will be fun | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | so we're chipping away at the issues as they come down the pipeline :) | 19:23 |
| fungi | right. however when we can't build nodes, we will see changes for tripleo projects piling up in the check pipeline waiting on deploy jobs | 19:23 |
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| fungi | so that's a good early warning for the current bug | 19:23 |
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| fungi | probably not a lot else exciting to report on this topic for the moment | 19:24 |
| clarkb | ok really happy with how it is coming together | 19:24 |
| clarkb | #topic Chef Stackforge project rename | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | we covered this at the beginning of the meeting but for completeness we postponed again as the project rename will break other cookbooks and the rename requestor needs to fix them but is on vacation currently | 19:25 |
| clarkb | #info postponed again as requester isn't around to update the name everywhere | 19:25 |
| fungi | as discussed, this is postponed. we can keep it on the agenda or just remove it and wait for the owner to let us know later | 19:25 |
| fungi | meh, you said that ;) | 19:26 |
| clarkb | #topic ongoing new project creation issues | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | Mordred is driving up into the hills | 19:26 |
| fungi | mordred of the hill people | 19:26 |
| clarkb | we seem to have determined that manage-projects works fine when not run by puppet | 19:26 |
| clarkb | we can either figure out why puppet is special (probably related to how exec works and it runs in a funny env) or stop running it with puppet completely | 19:27 |
| * ttx lurks | 19:27 | |
| clarkb | I like not running it with puppet completely. My simple suggestion is to have puppet submit an at job to run it a few minutes after the puppet run | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | and use a lock file | 19:27 |
| clarkb | but we can possible also use salt or cron or $otherthing | 19:27 |
| clarkb | but mordred isn't here so moving on | 19:28 |
| clarkb | #topic Pip 1.5 readiness | 19:28 |
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| pleia2 | oh, I think this was supposed to be rm-ed from the agenda | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | are we using pip 1.5 yet? | 19:29 |
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| fungi | i believe that's entwined with the virtualenv cap removal | 19:29 |
| fungi | which mordred already has an action item for | 19:29 |
| clarkb | gotcha, so we can move no | 19:29 |
| clarkb | #topic Upgrade Gerrit | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | zaro: is there anything you want to add to what you had before? | 19:30 |
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| zaro | just a question.. | 19:30 |
| zaro | what else should we test? | 19:30 |
| zaro | gerritbot, jeepyb, ?? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | zaro: good question | 19:31 |
| * fungi ponders | 19:31 | |
| clarkb | the ATC collector scripts | 19:31 |
| zaro | what is that? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | pretty sure they page through gerrit data via the CLI | 19:32 |
| clarkb | zaro: the scripts that find out who can go to the summit for free. They are in openstack-infra/config/tools | 19:32 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, though that's really just a mysql query documented in the readme in tools/atc (within the config repo) | 19:32 |
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| fungi | and then gerrit ssh queries for the review info | 19:32 |
| fungi | (in the python script in that same dir) | 19:33 |
| fungi | should be pretty easy to confirm | 19:33 |
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| zaro | anything else? | 19:33 |
| fungi | zaro: didn't you say something is also breaking the bug updating hook? | 19:33 |
| zaro | yeah, that's in jeepyb | 19:34 |
| zaro | update+bug.py | 19:34 |
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| zaro | working on the patch for that now. | 19:34 |
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| fungi | k | 19:34 |
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| fungi | reviewday? | 19:34 |
| fungi | openstackwatch? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | fungi: reviewday definitely | 19:35 |
| zaro | not the same thing? | 19:35 |
| fungi | those are different things | 19:35 |
| zaro | ok. will take a look | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | and of course zuul, but that is listed :) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | and I am pretty sure hashar is using zuul with new gerrit so don't expect many problems | 19:36 |
| clarkb | anything else? | 19:36 |
| fungi | does bugday or releasestatus do anything with the gerrit api? | 19:36 |
| clarkb | ttx: ^ | 19:36 |
| ttx | hmm, release status yes | 19:37 |
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| ttx | hrm. if by APi you mean SSh | 19:37 |
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| fungi | ttx: yeah, we've already found at least one backward-incompatible change in the gerrit ssh api | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | #info things that need testing with new gerrit: reviewday, openstackwatch, releasestatus, zuul, update_bug (jeepyb) | 19:37 |
| fungi | also we have elastic-recheck and recheckwatch both potentially consuming info from gerrit | 19:37 |
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| fungi | and updating it | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | elastic-recheck I expect to be ok, but we should add that to the list too | 19:38 |
| ttx | release status is not on the critical path though. update_bug and update_blueprint a bit more | 19:38 |
| clarkb | #info also elastic-recheck and recheckwatch | 19:38 |
| fungi | nothing else springs to mind | 19:39 |
| clarkb | #topic Private Gerrit for Security Review | 19:39 |
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| zaro | got it. test openstack infra universe. | 19:39 |
| clarkb | zaro: :) | 19:40 |
| clarkb | My understanding was that we wanted gerrit 2.8 then a private gerrit | 19:40 |
| clarkb | does the work above facilitate private gerrit then? | 19:40 |
| zaro | nothing new to report. postponing for gerrit 2.8 first | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | #info Need gerrit 2.8 up and running before deploying private gerrit | 19:40 |
| clarkb | maybe we should take this off of the agenda for now then? | 19:40 |
| fungi | yep. only so many irons in one fire | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | #topic Jenkins SCP Plugin fixes | 19:41 |
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| zaro | ok. i'll remove it. | 19:41 |
| clarkb | zaro fixed the SCP plugin then he had to fix it slightly differently :) | 19:41 |
| zaro | i understand there's another issue with upgrade? | 19:41 |
| fungi | is there? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | zaro: another issue with upgrade? with the scp plugin? | 19:41 |
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| zaro | jeblair says that upgrading to latest doesn't keep old configs? | 19:42 |
| zaro | or doesn't keep them correctly or something like that. | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | zaro: are you talking about the SCP plugin? | 19:42 |
| zaro | yes. | 19:42 |
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| zaro | scrollback from yesterday morning | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I don't know what configs there are then, They are all in the project config | 19:43 |
| * fungi vaguely recalls discussion about something changing in the xml maybe | 19:43 | |
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| zaro | i was going to look into it today, but looks like it may need to wait until gerrit universe is tested | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ok found it in scrollback | 19:44 |
| clarkb | that is an unrelated problem and has to do with how upstream did a bunch of refactoring in the plugin then stopped work and we just added to it | 19:44 |
| clarkb | back to the fixes at hand | 19:44 |
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| zaro | clarkb: does that mean we don't need to do anything about it? | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | zaro: no, it means we don't ahve to do anything about it today :) we will need to fix that before we can release a new version | 19:45 |
| clarkb | jenkins04-07 have the latest version of the plugin. jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 have n-2 version and 02 and 03 have n-1 | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | I would like to restart 02 and 03 possibly today to get the latest version then do jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 when I upgrade the jenkins versions there | 19:46 |
| clarkb | hopefully by the end of the week all of the jenkinses will be consistent | 19:46 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:46 |
| fungi | also, regular jenkins restarts seem to keep the plumbing free of rodents | 19:47 |
| clarkb | #info SCP file copying bugs assumed fixed. Upgrade from previous release to master not fixed (xml config isn't handled nicely) | 19:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: ha | 19:47 |
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| zaro | fungi: are we doing that now? | 19:47 |
| clarkb | zaro: anything else you want to add about the SCP plugin? | 19:47 |
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| zaro | nope all done here | 19:48 |
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| fungi | zaro: not intentionally, but things like yesterday morning seem to crop up more often when jenkins masters run for a little while under heavy use without restarts | 19:48 |
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| fungi | or i could just be imagining it | 19:48 |
| clarkb | #topic removing openstack-ci-admin ML from LP | 19:48 |
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| fungi | ahh, that was me | 19:48 |
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| fungi | just noticed we get the occasional e-mails to that list from people asking for help | 19:49 |
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| fungi | when they should probably open bugs, mail the proper infra ml or find us in irc | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | remind me, if we kill it the archives stay there? | 19:50 |
| fungi | ahh, i think they can | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I think we should remove it to make it simpler for peopel to find better contact locations | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | but we should consider the data too | 19:51 |
| fungi | was looking for consensus that it was okay to remove that mailing list from lp, but without jeblair and mordred here we can revisit it next week. not urgent | 19:51 |
| clarkb | ok | 19:51 |
| clarkb | #topic Savanna testing | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: still around? | 19:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 19:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:51 |
| clarkb | go for it | 19:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the first patch should be landed to tempest soon | 19:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean the first patch with real tests ;) | 19:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'd like to setup async gate for savanna | 19:52 |
| clarkb | cool | 19:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | non-voting for tempests and devstack's check pipelines | 19:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and voting for savanna | 19:52 |
| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: ya devananda just did something similar for ironic | 19:52 |
| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: so ++ from me | 19:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, yup, I saw it and really like the approach | 19:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it will guarantee that it'll be easy to make it sync | 19:53 |
| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: are there changes proposed to config yet? | 19:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | not yet, will propose them today | 19:53 |
| clarkb | sounds good | 19:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | additionally I'm planning to start working on dib elements testing | 19:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | savanna dib elements | 19:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but still have no enough time to make a proof of concept | 19:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | heh, to make working one ;) | 19:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, looks like that's all from my side | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | ok let us know if you need anything from out end. also I believe the tripleo folks are looking into that sort of thing too | 19:55 |
| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: using something similar to how tripleo tests their dib elements? | 19:55 |
| clarkb | they might have feedback | 19:55 |
| clarkb | fungi: :) | 19:55 |
| * fungi hasn't a unique thought in his head, clearly | 19:55 | |
| clarkb | fungi: it just means neither of us is crazy | 19:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm current;y have a problem with defining the approach of how it should be tested for savanna | 19:55 |
| fungi | or we're *both* crazy ;) | 19:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, folks, probably I'm crazy too | 19:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | where is my coffee?? | 19:56 |
| clarkb | ha | 19:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw is it already possible to publish our images to tarballs.o.o? | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: that is one of the things tripleo is trying to sort out :) | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: personally I almost feel like glance would be better | 19:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, looks like I've missed it | 19:57 |
| clarkb | but that means running a glance | 19:57 |
| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: maybe start a thread on the infra list and we can get tripleo people to look at it too | 19:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | afaik we already running trove? | 19:57 |
| clarkb | so that everyone is happy with where build artifact images end up | 19:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, yup, nice idea | 19:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll do it | 19:57 |
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| clarkb | great. I am going to give everyone a minute or two for random things | 19:58 |
| fungi | i believe we at least set aside extra space for images when tarballs were relocated | 19:58 |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | fungi: good to know | 19:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, awesome ;) | 19:58 |
| fungi | check the disk space graphs in cacti for confirmation | 19:59 |
| clarkb | I did want to point out that dims patched the zmq event publisher plugin so I will try getting that update to all of the masters too | 19:59 |
| clarkb | but that is less important than the SCP plugin update | 19:59 |
| lifeless | clarkb: tonnes to say, was asleep. | 19:59 |
| fungi | clarkb: excellent. between node and master metadata, we should be able to hunt down infra issue impact easier | 19:59 |
| zaro | zmq is all setup to auto deploy to jenkins repo. | 19:59 |
| lifeless | tripleo testing is ALIIIIIVE | 19:59 |
| clarkb | zaro: yup once I test that plugin I can tag a release | 20:00 |
| dims | clarkb, +1 | 20:00 |
| clarkb | and I think we are at time. Thank you everyone | 20:00 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 20:00:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-28-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-28-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-01-28-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| clarkb | Public Service Announcement from ttx via clarkb: there is no TC meeting today | 20:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ? | 21:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | holla ttx | 21:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 21:02:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic icehouse-2 / 1.12.0 postmortem | 21:03 |
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| ttx | So... last weeks gate issues created delays for Swift 1.12.0 and complicated the delivery of a sane icehouse-2 milestone | 21:03 |
| ttx | In particular we shipped heat with a milestone-critical issue, because (1) that issue wasn't really tested in gate yet so it ended up in master | 21:03 |
| ttx | and (2) milestone-critical issues do not get fast-tracked at the gate | 21:03 |
| * russellb dreams of synchronized releases | 21:03 | |
| ttx | stevebaker: do we have a bug to track the absence of integration tests in that specific area ? | 21:03 |
| stevebaker | ttx: the tests exist, I need to raise a bug to enable vm -> heat on port 8000 in the gate infra | 21:04 |
| ttx | stevebaker: ok, when you have bug number, let me know | 21:04 |
| ttx | would like to tie loose ends | 21:05 |
| stevebaker | something like this, but which works https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69276/ <-- advice welcome | 21:05 |
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| ttx | I think that we'll have the same issues again if we can't keep the top of gate entry under 12 hours of age | 21:05 |
| ttx | So we'll see how good we are at keeping it below that | 21:05 |
| ttx | but otherwise we may need to relax gate-jumping rules to include release-critical issues | 21:05 |
| ttx | I think I can deal with 12 hours | 21:06 |
| ttx | but 27 or 34... difficult to stick to release dates then | 21:06 |
| ttx | icehouse-3 should be a nice test :) | 21:06 |
| hub_cap | heh | 21:07 |
| russellb | still a lot of work to do to make icehouse-3 not blow up | 21:07 |
| ttx | any other post-mortem thoughts on i2 / 1.12.0 ? | 21:07 |
| ttx | russellb: yes, next topic | 21:07 |
| russellb | but i think the steps to get there are clear (enough) | 21:07 |
| russellb | holidays really hurt i2 velocity, too, i think | 21:07 |
| russellb | but i guess we can't cancel those | 21:07 |
| ttx | russellb: yeah, not sure that would fly | 21:08 |
| ttx | #topic master gate status | 21:08 |
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| ttx | Things definitely improved over the last 7 days | 21:08 |
| russellb | yeah, lots has changed | 21:08 |
| russellb | lots and lots of good bug fixes | 21:08 |
| ttx | As far as I can tell the recent improvement is not due to implementation of Sean's suggestions yet | 21:08 |
| russellb | from a bunch of people | 21:08 |
| ttx | (from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025140.html ) | 21:08 |
| russellb | ttx: right htat isn't done yet | 21:08 |
| ttx | So we still have room for improvement | 21:08 |
| sdague | ttx: correct, we're not there yet | 21:08 |
| ttx | which is good news | 21:08 |
| russellb | it's mainly bug fixes, improvements to zuul, and increased node capacity | 21:08 |
| sdague | yep, lots of good bug fixes from people, increased capacity, and the sliding window on the gate queue all helped | 21:09 |
| ttx | sdague: notmyname wanted to ask about progress being made on reducing the overlapping tests -- i suspect that effort is not started yet ? | 21:09 |
| sdague | ttx: right, the first step is the zuul logic to handle requiring recent good check | 21:09 |
| ttx | ack | 21:09 |
| stevebaker | how did tempest day go yesterday? | 21:09 |
| sdague | which jeblair has mostly ready, but it tickled a gerrit bug last night | 21:09 |
| ttx | stevebaker: pretty good I think. sdague may have more data | 21:10 |
| russellb | gate bug day was productive i think | 21:10 |
| sdague | stevebaker: pretty well I think, we're now about 95% on categorization of issues | 21:10 |
| russellb | link: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 21:10 |
| ttx | at the very least it familiarized myself with some of the e-r tooling | 21:10 |
| sdague | and we made some good progress on some of the top ones around cinder and neutron | 21:10 |
| russellb | i think that's the biggest concrete achievement, better categorization | 21:10 |
| sdague | ttx: yeh, I think we got a lot more people familiar with that, which is really good | 21:10 |
| russellb | patch in progress related to top neutron failure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69445/ | 21:11 |
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| russellb | a patch merged that squashed the top cinder bug (thanks jgriffith!) | 21:11 |
| ttx | hah | 21:11 |
| ttx | that was my next point | 21:11 |
| sdague | russellb: well we might be declaring victory too fast on that one :) | 21:11 |
| russellb | sdague: not victory, just progress :) | 21:11 |
| sdague | heh | 21:12 |
| ttx | sounds a pomising workaround at least | 21:12 |
| ttx | promising | 21:12 |
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| ttx | Good to see a number of people working on it, including on Ubuntu's side | 21:12 |
| sdague | yeh our throughput on friday & sat was over 100 patches merged / 24 hrs | 21:12 |
| sdague | just to give a sense that we're kind of back to business in the master gate | 21:12 |
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| russellb | but let's not get comfortable | 21:13 |
| sdague | agreed | 21:13 |
| ttx | jamespage told me they might have narrowed it on their side too | 21:13 |
| russellb | i still feel like the list of active bugs could use more eyes | 21:13 |
| sdague | yep, definitely | 21:13 |
| russellb | ttx: very good to hear. | 21:13 |
| sdague | 62 bugs being tracked by elastic recheck now - http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 21:14 |
| ttx | the gate queue currently climbs but not to stratospheric heights | 21:14 |
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| ttx | so it seems we are back at pre-crisis levels | 21:14 |
| ttx | (but then, neutron is not really gating those days) | 21:15 |
| russellb | we have a huge nova patch series we're trying to merge for nova-network performance | 21:15 |
| russellb | once that's all in, i'd like to try to increase tempest concurrency again | 21:15 |
| russellb | which should be a big speedup on test runtime | 21:15 |
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| ttx | ack | 21:15 |
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| ttx | anything else on that topic ? | 21:15 |
| russellb | most of that is in the gate now | 21:15 |
| sdague | oh, we also need to try to get the better image on rax perf nodes | 21:15 |
| russellb | sdague: what's the better image? | 21:16 |
| sdague | the current image is part of the slowdown | 21:16 |
| sdague | russellb: one with paravirt drivers configured | 21:16 |
| russellb | ah | 21:16 |
| sdague | jnoller is helping on that | 21:16 |
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| russellb | cool, just a tweak to nodepool configs right? | 21:16 |
| sdague | yes | 21:16 |
| sdague | need to make sure it works reliably first | 21:16 |
| russellb | pfft | 21:16 |
| sdague | ttx: done on this topic I think | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic Code proposal deadline (russellb) | 21:17 |
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| russellb | yeah, so we had one of these deadlines last cycle | 21:17 |
| ttx | russellb: how is that proposal doing so far ? | 21:17 |
| russellb | 5 projects had a deadline, across 3 dates | 21:17 |
| russellb | i'm proposing it again for nova, but wanted to see if others wanted to coordinate on a single date | 21:17 |
| russellb | to make our schedule less confusing | 21:17 |
| russellb | i'm proposing 2 weeks ahead of feature freeze, so feb 18 | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | We're planning to use Feb 18th too | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | we should probably just build this into the schedule when we plan it at the next summit | 21:18 |
| russellb | proposal on ML has seen some feedback ... acked by markmcclain and hub_cap | 21:18 |
| ttx | yes, that can be opt-in but a single date would be less confusing | 21:18 |
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| ttx | jd__ told me he would not follow it for ceilometer | 21:18 |
| ttx | he has a good grip on incoming proposals | 21:18 |
| russellb | opt-in seems fine | 21:18 |
| russellb | it's a bigger deal when you're overwhelmed by the incoming wave | 21:19 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly spreading out the freezes also probably helps on gate load | 21:19 |
| sdague | so a few projects going later is good and fine | 21:19 |
| jgriffith | sdague: true dat | 21:19 |
| russellb | sdague: well, i thought about that, but remember, this isn't *merge* deadline | 21:19 |
| russellb | so it's not that big of a deal | 21:19 |
| jd__ | (not that I would't be against it if we wanted to do that for _all_ projects though) | 21:19 |
| jd__ | s/not/note/ | 21:19 |
| sdague | russellb: true | 21:19 |
| jgriffith | russellb: ahhh... exccellent point | 21:19 |
| ttx | I think the key thing is to avoid having a different date for each project | 21:19 |
| russellb | it'll be a big rush on check | 21:19 |
| russellb | which may be a nice warmup for feature freeze :) | 21:20 |
| russellb | ttx: right, that's what i was hoping | 21:20 |
| ttx | So it's opt-in, on Feb 18. I'll document it on the release schedule | 21:20 |
| russellb | i like having a nice coordinated schedule | 21:20 |
| russellb | perfect | 21:20 |
| ttx | #action ttx to document FPF on Feb 18 on icehouse schedule | 21:20 |
| ttx | other comments on that ? | 21:21 |
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| ttx | #topic Logging standards (sdague) | 21:21 |
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| ttx | sdague: floor is yours | 21:22 |
| sdague | great | 21:22 |
| sdague | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025542.html | 21:22 |
| sdague | this is actually an idea I floated early in the cycle, but I'd like to revisit to see if we could get a few things sorted for Icehouse | 21:22 |
| sdague | in staring at logs reading test fails, we've definitely got a bunch of inconsistency challenges, in single projects and across them | 21:23 |
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| sdague | so my current thinking is for icehouse if we can get some basic guidelines for the INFO log level | 21:23 |
| * ttx wonders how sdague manages to have so many fishing lines at the same time in the ocean | 21:23 | |
| sdague | and see which projects want to buy in, we could do a bunch in terms of overall debugability of OpenStack, for ourselves, and operators | 21:24 |
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| lifeless | logging standards ++ | 21:24 |
| sdague | so mostly this is socialization, to figure out which projects want to take part, and if anyone objects to the current list of guidelines I put up there | 21:24 |
| russellb | i think it's a sane idea | 21:25 |
| sdague | I expect this is going to be a multi cycle effort | 21:25 |
| lifeless | I'd really like to move to something like kafka and make all our logs machine data rather than human | 21:25 |
| lifeless | but *thats* a different idea :) | 21:25 |
| ttx | sdague: I forwarded the effort intro to reed, as he was looking for areas where beginners could help. Those commits do not require that much deep knowledge of stuff | 21:25 |
| sdague | but I think INFO sanity is doable in icehouse | 21:25 |
| russellb | question like many things, how does it stack up against all the other things we need to be doing | 21:25 |
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| ttx | sdague: as long as the base principles are well documented | 21:25 |
| russellb | if there are volunteers, sure, i'm fine with it ... | 21:26 |
| sdague | ttx: thanks, yeh this is actually a good place to bring in volunteers | 21:26 |
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| sdague | russellb: yeh, I think we'll mostly be pulling in newer folks on this, it will impact review load on core teams, which is part of trying to get some buy in on "standards" up front, to hopefully make the reviews easy | 21:26 |
| sdague | from my interacting with some of the larger operators, this is a pretty high impact to them, because dealing with our logs today is .... *interesting* | 21:27 |
| ttx | do youhave a link to the proposed guidelines ? | 21:27 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards | 21:28 |
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| russellb | sdague: review load at this point in the cycle is quite painful | 21:28 |
| dolphm_afk | is there anyway we can realistically write gate tests against the guidelines? | 21:28 |
| ttx | cool | 21:28 |
| russellb | we're already incredibly overloaded | 21:28 |
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| sdague | russellb: agreed. | 21:28 |
| sdague | I just cringe on the current state of things | 21:28 |
| russellb | i cringe at a lot of things | 21:29 |
| sdague | :) | 21:29 |
| IanGovett1 | I haven't looked over the logging standards, but wonder if the logging standards enable the possibility of doing some programmatic analysis of logs when trying to do post mortems ? | 21:29 |
| russellb | do i cringe at our log formatting more than the number of other blueprints already ready for review? probably not | 21:29 |
| ttx | "Lifecycle event 1 on VM b1b8e5c7-12f0-4092-84f6-297fe7642070" | 21:29 |
| sdague | I think we're a long way away from thsoe things | 21:29 |
| ttx | nice | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | IanGovett1: i think lifeless mentioned that (but likely for another conversation) | 21:29 |
| sdague | we're going to take this one step at a time | 21:29 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 21:30 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: gotta start somewhere | 21:30 |
| * russellb nods | 21:30 | |
| devananda | Ironic doesn't have, IMHO, enough INFO logged today. So I'm ++ to having a common standard to point volunteers to | 21:30 |
| devananda | and taht's a good place to start | 21:30 |
| ttx | sdague: not sure we can fully nail the INFO by the icehouse release, but having convergence on the standards and a model project would be nice | 21:30 |
| sdague | ttx: sure | 21:30 |
| sdague | honestly if every project logged wsgi requests exactly once at INFO | 21:31 |
| ttx | sdague: then we can use it as model to encourage people to converge INFO in J | 21:31 |
| sdague | we'd be a huge step forward | 21:31 |
| sdague | because... we very much don't today | 21:31 |
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| sdague | ttx: agreed, I'm hoping to tackle ERROR in J as well | 21:31 |
| ttx | yep. I used to complain at Eucalyptus logs but ours don't really look better those days. | 21:31 |
| sdague | anyway, we can do most of this on the list I think, but it made sense to open it up here as well | 21:32 |
| sdague | especially if anyone has comments on the wiki page so far | 21:32 |
| ttx | so in summary... good idea, can't do that much with icehouse-" review load but at least defien standards and push what we can ? | 21:32 |
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| ttx | icehouse-3 | 21:33 |
| sdague | ttx: I think that's fair | 21:33 |
| russellb | +1 | 21:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | fwiw +1, it'll be a good start | 21:33 |
| russellb | would hate to see complex blueprint patches go into conflict over log message shuffling :-/ | 21:34 |
| ttx | fwiw current standards sound sane to me | 21:34 |
| russellb | so yeah, would rather mass patches show up early juno | 21:34 |
| ttx | sdague: we could also point -operators to that wiki page for feedback | 21:34 |
| sdague | ttx: sure, or get them on the dev thread. We discourage cross posting. | 21:34 |
| ttx | sounds like an area where they could be interested in participating | 21:35 |
| sdague | a few have already | 21:35 |
| ttx | yeah, just a pointer on -operators to make them aware of the -dev thread, no cross-posting | 21:35 |
| sdague | russellb: realistically, I think the # of patches to handle info will be relatively low | 21:35 |
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| ttx | sdague: anything else on that topic ? | 21:36 |
| sdague | nope | 21:36 |
| IanGovett1 | Sorry for what may seem a dumb question (I'm a newbie), but do the log messages contain a timestamp in 'cut' time so that log events across multiple servers can construct a sequence of events. | 21:36 |
| ttx | IanGovett1: they have timestamps yes, and if you use synced clocks you should be fine enough | 21:37 |
| ttx | #topic Red Flag District / Blocked blueprints | 21:37 |
| IanGovett1 | ok. thanks | 21:37 |
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| russellb | if you don't have synced clocks, more is broken than logs | 21:37 |
| ttx | Any inter-project blocked work that this meeting could help unblock ? | 21:37 |
| ttx | in particular, I'm interested by critical work that depends on some other project completing their stuff | 21:38 |
| ttx | Like Horizon waiting for a feature to land to make a panel about it available | 21:38 |
| jd__ | we would need more eyes oslo.messaging review because that's blocking several bp of ceilometer FWIW | 21:38 |
| ttx | jd__: link to review ? | 21:39 |
| jd__ | I'm feeling like stating the obvious, but well. :) | 21:39 |
| ttx | did you get the oslo.messaging peeps on it already ? | 21:39 |
| jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:master+topic:bp/notification-subscriber-server,n,z mainly | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | jd__: today's my review day so I'll try to get to them this afternoon | 21:39 |
| jd__ | cool | 21:39 |
| jd__ | just saying' really, I know markmc is also trying is best to take a look | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | jd__: there are a few in that series with -1 comments already | 21:40 |
| ttx | jd__: that BP is high, so I pester dhellmann with it regularly | 21:40 |
| jd__ | sileht: ^ | 21:40 |
| jd__ | hehe :) | 21:41 |
| ttx | jd__: thx for the pointer though, that's what I want to hear in that section of the meeting | 21:41 |
| ttx | prefer to hear about those early, rather than too late | 21:41 |
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| ttx | anything else with inter-project dependency that you'd like to make sure is prioritized correctly ? | 21:42 |
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| ttx | I guess not | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:43 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:43 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:43 |
| ttx | hi guys | 21:43 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:43 |
| ttx | doesn't look too bad -- you might want to have assignees on all of those | 21:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, yup, working on it | 21:44 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 21:44 |
| ttx | devananda: I suspect those "Unknwon" are actually "Not started", right ? | 21:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, additionally, the good news is that we're ready to setup async gate - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68066/ | 21:44 |
| devananda | actually, one of those needs to be updated to Ready for Review | 21:44 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: awesome | 21:44 |
| devananda | the other 3 are either Not Started or ~vendor hasn't shared the code yet~ :) | 21:45 |
| ttx | dendrobates: romcheg's ? | 21:45 |
| ttx | oosp | 21:45 |
| ttx | devananda: romcheg's ? | 21:45 |
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| ttx | devananda: I see migration-from-nova is not started ? | 21:45 |
| devananda | he's been working on it but i need to follow up and see where the code is at | 21:46 |
| ttx | ok, wil mark started | 21:46 |
| devananda | k | 21:46 |
| ttx | kgriffs: around? | 21:46 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: if you read this, you may have too much, and also you should get people assigned to the unassigned BPs | 21:47 |
| ttx | too much essential BPs, I mean | 21:48 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov, devananda: questions ? | 21:48 |
| devananda | no questions here | 21:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, nope, thx | 21:48 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:49 |
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| ttx | anything else anyone ? | 21:49 |
| hub_cap | just hugs | 21:49 |
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| ttx | ok then | 21:50 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 21:50:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-28-21.02.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-28-21.02.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-01-28-21.02.log.html | 21:50 |
| ttx | thanks everyone | 21:50 |
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| kgriffs | ttx: sorry, got distracted for a minute | 21:55 |
| kgriffs | yes, we discussed the situation earlier today in our weekly mtg | 21:55 |
| kgriffs | we are working on getting some things moving on some of those bps and if we can't get enough hands, we'll have to slip some of them | 21:56 |
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