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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 8 15:00:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | Happy new year everyone! | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | who is around for today's meeting? | 15:00 |
| BobBall | And to you too John | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | I might be | 15:00 |
| thouveng | Hi, happy new year :) | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | although I've only just got back to my desk | 15:00 |
| BobBall | so I'm still mostly at home. | 15:01 |
| BobBall | I've been in the office for a grand total of 61 minutes! | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: oh, just back? or not been well? | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Long holiday because I wasn't allowed to take holiday near the conference last year ;) | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, you do right | 15:01 |
| matel | hi, happy new year to everyone. | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I am just reviewing all your patches | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so lets get into the agenda | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| BobBall | Happy new year to you, and matel and thouveng ! | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thouveng: hows it going? | 15:02 |
| thouveng | I posed a draft for the bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63816/2 | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:03 |
| thouveng | now resource tracker is up to date | 15:03 |
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| matel | thouveng: is it a private patch? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I've started to review the patch thouveng | 15:03 |
| thouveng | I can see that db is well updated when I create/remove instance | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would put get_passthrough_devices in xenhost I think | 15:03 |
| BobBall | but I've got lots of stuff I have to do today to catch up | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, yeah, I will take a look | 15:04 |
| BobBall | thouveng: yes - I agree with john now - I figured out how to do it just before Christmas. | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so this ensures resource trackers knows about all PCI device? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | thouveng: it's ugly, but you can have both old and new style plugins | 15:04 |
| thouveng | ok I need to check this so | 15:04 |
| thouveng | I don't look xenhost but I will do | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | old and new style plugins? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | thouveng: Check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60253/6/plugins/xenserver/xenapi/etc/xapi.d/plugins/xenhost | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: we didn't want to add new calls with the "old" non-serialised style | 15:06 |
| BobBall | but xenhost is 100% old style | 15:06 |
| BobBall | until my patch is accepted :) | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: ah, I see | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | Check out line 408 of that link | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, sounds like good progress is happening | 15:06 |
| thouveng | ok I see. So you support both serialized and non-serialized that are old and new style plugin right? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Unfortunately the XAPI side of the plugin code is ugly to say the least | 15:07 |
| BobBall | yes thouveng | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yuck | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: it's cuz XAPI actually forceably returns after the "dispatch" call | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice | 15:08 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: so one file can't have both unless you do the horrid hack I added | 15:08 |
| BobBall | not return - _exit_ | 15:08 |
| BobBall | because it's a process | 15:08 |
| BobBall | gotta love those hardcoded assumptions | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 15:08 |
| thouveng | So we agree that I should move the code into xenhost? | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think so | 15:08 |
| BobBall | well - when you say yuck johnthetubaguy, are you happy witht he approach in my patch? | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: yeah, I will take a look, but its what we have to do, so its fine | 15:09 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:09 |
| thouveng | BobBall: that means that my patch will depend on yours right? | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | re-writing all the plugins, while tempting, is a waste of everyones time | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | touveng: I would just copy the hack, and deal with the clash when it happens, but its up to you really | 15:10 |
| BobBall | well I hope not thouveng - mine might take a while to get in. I'd say let's both just have the same code in there and one of us will have to rebase | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:10 |
| thouveng | ok for me | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:10 |
| BobBall | it's only a few lines of nastyness | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is next for this blueprint? | 15:10 |
| thouveng | I'm currently looking how to attach the pci devices during the spawn process | 15:11 |
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| thouveng | I updated the etherpad | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yes, lol, we do need that | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just looking at the blueprint | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I see the two work items now, thats cool | 15:11 |
| thouveng | my concern is that I'm doing for GPU so I will use something like VGPU.create I guess | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I see, then SRIOV says no | 15:12 |
| thouveng | Exact. | 15:12 |
| BobBall | uhhhh no | 15:12 |
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| thouveng | And currently you will see in my patchset that I'm using type-PCI | 15:13 |
| BobBall | we're doing PCI pass through - not vGPU aren't we? | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | so as far as dom0 and nova are concerned it's just any PCI device | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, thats a good point, vGPU is sepearte | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, seperate | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | vGPU will indeed need a separate XAPI call - but for now don't we just set other-config:pci-whatever-it-is? | 15:13 |
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| thouveng | I agree with you BobBall, we are doing PCI passthrough but my though was to first do GPU and then SR-IOV and other device. | 15:14 |
| thouveng | Ah ok if you uyse other-config:pci-whatever-it-is | 15:14 |
| BobBall | Agreed - but my point is that if it's GPU rather than vGPU then it shouldn't be any different to SR-IOV... I think | 15:15 |
| BobBall | :) | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | its more complicated than that sadly | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | well eventually anyways | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the virtual device might need config from neutron :( | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways other-config:pci-… seems like the best first step | 15:16 |
| BobBall | oh this is where the fun starts! :) | 15:16 |
| thouveng | ok so I will go for other-config:pci- | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am doing daily meetings this week to try and setup some stuff | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like we are all good | 15:17 |
| matel | Are we done with this topic? | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more blueprinty stuff? | 15:17 |
| thouveng | I think so | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic QA | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, upstream testing... | 15:18 |
| matel | Official XenAPI testing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60581/ | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: how goes it | 15:18 |
| matel | This is the script, that makes xs work in the "cloud" | 15:18 |
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| matel | It's a really complicated thing, and I am worried about it. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets try simplify it over time | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we have a possible solution | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Is there a particular part you're worried about matel? | 15:19 |
| matel | I also experienced issues, when launching instances from snapshot, and the network devices were messed up. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, thats bad | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | subnet changed maybe? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | different gateways, etc? | 15:19 |
| matel | BobBall: look at the script - I tried to make it readable, but it's not the best thing to look at. | 15:19 |
| matel | john: no, device numberings were changed somehow. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | Agreed. It's a confusing script. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, boy, nice | 15:20 |
| matel | john: If I experience the same, I will ask you to look under the hood. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, I might need some tips on what to look for mind | 15:20 |
| matel | Anyhow, what I am working on: Come up with an XVA, that will be able to run devstack. | 15:20 |
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| matel | That will be a saucy. | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | an XVA rather than waiting for the full install? | 15:21 |
| matel | And after that, I will come up with a localrc, that works. | 15:21 |
| matel | This XVA is the equivalent of a cloud image. | 15:21 |
| BobBall | hang on - don't we have an XVA that can run devstack already? What do you mean you're creating? | 15:21 |
| BobBall | ah - an image including XenServer and a devstack XVA | 15:22 |
| matel | So, we expect to be able to access the devstack domU. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | XVA is just the devstack VM right? | 15:22 |
| matel | No, it is the appliance which will listen on the public IP. | 15:22 |
| matel | yes, that's the devstack vm. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:22 |
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| matel | We already have one, but: it's not a saucy, it needs more ram, etc. | 15:23 |
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| matel | At the moment the scripts that generate this xva live in a qa repository | 15:23 |
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| matel | I am extracting those bits to separate repos. | 15:24 |
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| matel | BobBall: any comments? | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think | 15:24 |
| BobBall | I'm not sure I understand yet | 15:25 |
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| matel | I would need some political help from you john, to somehow get more attention to these patches. | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | are you saying - apart from refactoring - the work you're doing is updating to saucy and giving the existing devstack XVA more ram? | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, but I fear is not a group I have much influence with, but I can try | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | different networking config I guesS? | 15:25 |
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| matel | BobBall: Yes, that's the main change: more ram, more disk. | 15:25 |
| matel | BobBall: and go to saucy. | 15:25 |
| BobBall | OK | 15:26 |
| matel | John: networking is set by the script. | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool. | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I would guard against more disk | 15:26 |
| matel | So I would like to have a localrc by next week. | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | could we not just add an extra data disk? | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we can just do it the easy way for now | 15:27 |
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| matel | I updated the nodepool patches, give them some love: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61463/ | 15:27 |
| matel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65261/ | 15:28 |
| matel | I would like to note, that if we want all this to happen, we have to push it seriously - at least that's what I see. | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yep | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so what is blocking us right now, review bandwidth? | 15:29 |
| matel | Yes, the nodepool changes. | 15:29 |
| BobBall | Agreed | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we test more of this in a "dev"/fake environment first? | 15:29 |
| BobBall | ok | 15:29 |
| BobBall | I'll commit to reviewing it this week | 15:30 |
| matel | Yes, that's missing. | 15:30 |
| matel | So trying out this whole stuff with nodepool would be nice. | 15:30 |
| BobBall | then we can push in -infra to get some progress | 15:30 |
| BobBall | I guess that setup would be hard | 15:30 |
| matel | But I first wanted to get some feedback from the infra guys | 15:30 |
| matel | I don't know, BobBall, I haven't tried it. | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, we need to go into -infra and ask nicely I think | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we should try that suggested dev setup first though | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you found the link somewhere | 15:31 |
| matel | john: I would like to get some feedback as well. | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets try both in parallel | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | it wouldn't surprise me if -infra had some useful dev setups they could spin this through easily | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | true | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can but ask | 15:32 |
| matel | I would expect these software pieces to be easily testable. | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | are you guys good driving this, I am traveling next week, but should be able to help now and then, if its useful | 15:32 |
| matel | We are doing our best, and will try to do the political side as well. | 15:33 |
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| matel | next() | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, am seeing good progress | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | thank you! | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets keep moving this forward | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | else we will be out of tree in under a month or so | 15:35 |
| matel | well... | 15:35 |
| matel | Okay, are we done here? | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open disscussion | 15:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more? | 15:36 |
| matel | Nope | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | about next weeks meeting | 15:36 |
| BobBall | not from me | 15:36 |
| thouveng | not for me | 15:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am probably not around | 15:36 |
| matel | Bob? | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you guys want to go ahead without me, and I will do my best to join? | 15:37 |
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| BobBall | Yes | 15:37 |
| BobBall | I'll chair it | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 15:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am back the following week, all being well | 15:37 |
| matel | Okay, have a nice day! | 15:37 |
| BobBall | given that thouveng is joining regularly it would be a shame not to have a chat! :) | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 15:37 |
| thouveng | :) | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks all | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy coding | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | etc | 15:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 8 15:38:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-08-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| BobBall | And enjoy your holi... I mean travelling | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-08-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-01-08-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
| thouveng | thanks, by | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall :) | 15:41 |
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| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 8 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
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| avishay | hello! | 16:00 |
| duncanT-mob | hi | 16:00 |
| rushiagr2 | o/ | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
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| jgriffith | welcome back and happy new year (for those that took vacation) | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | I tink we can keep this short | 16:01 |
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| rushiagr | yay! happy new year to all! | 16:01 |
| * caitlin56 waves | 16:01 | |
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| * jgriffith laughs and recalls saying that EVERY meeting | 16:01 | |
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| rushiagr | haha | 16:01 |
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| avishay | haha | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. pretty good turn out, let's get on with it | 16:01 |
| kenhui1 | happy new year everyone! | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | #topic I-2 status | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | We're falling a bit behind in keeping up with things here | 16:02 |
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| bswartz | hi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind that the time to get through the gates is pretty long right now, and next week is going to be even worse if history serves us | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | If you have a BP you're working on here please try to get things submitted this week if possible | 16:03 |
| avishay | yep...gate is pretty ridiculous | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | also, please touch base with me if you have any doubt at all about making the deadline | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah :( | 16:04 |
| bswartz | we are victims of openstack's success? | 16:04 |
| kmartin | i'll have Jim Branan update his BP, the new Lefthand Driver, is in review | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | I read back on the proposal for Ollie's bp on the metadata... | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I think it was Ollie's... | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | and I think I understand better what you all were getting at | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | not sure if dosaboy or ollie is working it | 16:05 |
| duncanT-mob | :-) | 16:05 |
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| duncanT-mob | I think Ollie is | 16:05 |
| * jgriffith prposes we ban the label "metadata" :) | 16:05 | |
| jgriffith | K | 16:05 |
| duncanT-mob | Probably not a bad plan | 16:05 |
| avishay | :) | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | I'll see if I can get a hold of him later to see what the status is | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | duncanT-mob: How's your bp coming along? | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/filtering-weighing-with-driver-supplied-functions | 16:06 |
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| duncanT-mob | I'd have a patch up now if I wasn't it of the country | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | ha :) | 16:06 |
| duncanT-mob | Will get it in this week | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | You on for the 23'rd? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:07 |
| duncanT-mob | Friday probably | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'll leave it targetted then | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | Just let me know if you want to bump it to I3 | 16:07 |
| duncanT-mob | cheers | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | earlier is better than later to bump | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: do you know anything about your comrads doing the MSA driver? | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/add-msa-2040-driver | 16:08 |
| kmartin | no, this is some firm in France doing this work | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | kmartin: ohh... one of those deals | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | ok | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | guess I could've figured that "objectif libre" | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | I'm going to push out the items that are not started to I3 | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | at this point there's little chance of: | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | 1. getting through reviews | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | 2. getting through gates | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | if things are not moving along I see little chance of making it | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | velocity is not what it used to be | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | any objections/ammendments to that? | 16:10 |
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| coolsvap | jgriffith: I would like to discuss multi-volume-create, maybe in open discussion | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: we can do that... I'll give you the floor at the end | 16:11 |
| duncanT-mob | Pushing out anything not started makes sense | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. anything else on I-2 that people want to bring up? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | I"m going to talk about reviews next :) | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: I'd like to expose volume types via the EC2 API | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: but is that a part of Cinder meeting? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: we can talk later | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: sure | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: Not sure if you saw my comments on your patch and email | 16:12 |
| duncanT-mob | I guess reviews have been slow with vacation | 16:12 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: saw it | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Let's talk about reviews.. rushiagr we'll get back to that | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | #topic reviews | 16:12 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: sure | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | I've tried this before but I want to try again | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | Given I2 is just around the corner | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | and it's hard to get things reviewed and through the gates... | 16:13 |
| kmartin | avishay: is volume retype going to land in I2? or has it already. | 16:13 |
| avishay | kmartin: just went in | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | I'd like for everybody to be diligent about reviewing the items that are slated for I2 | 16:13 |
| kmartin | avishay: cool | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | The one line typo fixes and removing copyright headers from init files is really not important right now IMO | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | it clutters the review queue and the gate | 16:14 |
| duncanT-mob | agreed | 16:14 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: +1 | 16:14 |
| avishay | yep | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | I'd ask everybody to use https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-2 as a guide for what to review | 16:14 |
| rushiagr | point noted | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | We have a number of targeted Medium BP's that need reviews | 16:14 |
| avishay | also doing 'recheck' once is enough...i think it's pretty clear when jenkins fails for real | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | and the bugs should go without saying | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | avishay: :) | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | If you submit a patch and I -2 it because it's something non-prioritized don't feel bad :) | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | I want to do everything we can to keep non-essential patches from going in to the gate queue | 16:16 |
| thingee | hi folks | 16:16 |
| avishay | thingee: yo | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: hola | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | anyway.. the -2 approach is drastic and shouldn't be necessary | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | but it's going to require all of us to be diligent | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | Ok.. anybody have anything else on reviews? | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | alright let's talk about some easy stuff... | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | #topic alternatiing meeting times proposal feedback | 16:18 |
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| rushiagr | -1 | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | I sent an email out to the dev list on this and it seems like maybe trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist | 16:19 |
| kmartin | I would prefer to keep the current time | 16:19 |
| bswartz | +1 keep the current time | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, the majority of the feedback even from the folks in distant TZ's was that they were fine with how we're doing it now | 16:19 |
| avishay | +1 current time | 16:19 |
| glenng | +1 current time | 16:19 |
| thingee | well that was easy | 16:19 |
| duncanT-mob | current time suits me | 16:20 |
| kmartin | +1 current | 16:20 |
| rushiagr | I'd prefer _one_ time. I keep forgetting with this single time. Two timings will make me miss almost all of them | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | +1 current time | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | I think we all have a tendency to be around IRC outside of our TZ's so I think we're doing ok | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | alright, that issue is closed then | 16:20 |
| avishay | it's hard enough remembering daylight savings :) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | we'll keep our regular weekly meeting and time | 16:20 |
| winston-d | 1600 UTC works for me | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | avishay: no doubt!! | 16:20 |
| kmartin | I bet the people that want to change it aren't here due to the time :) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: you were really the only person that I knew that was doing the middle of the night thing to make this meeting ;) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: yeah, that's true | 16:21 |
| avishay | kmartin: :) | 16:21 |
| rushiagr | heh | 16:21 |
| bswartz | avishay: MS exchange understands UTC and sends reminders appropriately | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: but even on the ML I didn't get much response in favor of it | 16:21 |
| avishay | bswartz: i don't know what that is ;) | 16:21 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: :) it may such a little bit more for ppl from Japan and Korea | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: linux let's you just set your system clock to UTC and : | 16:21 |
| winston-d | s/such/suck | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: true | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: I think I'm going to have an "office hour" or something to be available certain nights of the week | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | if people want to connect they can | 16:22 |
| avishay | nice idea | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | but I am around late at night here anyway, and I rarely run into anybody but winston-d duncanT-mob and avishay | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | and rushiagr | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | anywho... I think we can close that one for now and move along | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | #topic driver cert script | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | Didn't get any feedback on my ML posting | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | So I'm going to take the feedback from kmartin and others via IRC and put a process proposal together | 16:23 |
| avishay | jgriffith: oops sorry about that, slipped my mind | 16:24 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: what was the topic of the thread? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | in the meantime... there's no reason you couldn't/shouldn't be running your drivers through the test | 16:24 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i liked what walt said on the ML | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022925.html | 16:24 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: thx | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | It would be great if you have a chance to run it to do so, I'm sure there are improvements that can be made bugs to fix but it's no fun running it over and over on just my systems :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | and I know there are bugs in some of the drivers that this will find :) | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Ok... 25 minutes | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | that's all the booring stuff | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | #topic multi-create | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: go for it | 16:26 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: thanks | 16:27 |
| coolsvap | hello all | 16:27 |
| avishay | hi | 16:27 |
| winston-d | hi | 16:27 |
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| coolsvap | I would like to get things clear on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/create-multiple-volume-from-cli | 16:27 |
| coolsvap | 1. Should it be only in cinderclient or should it have cinder-api changes as well? | 16:28 |
| avishay | this looks good to me. might want to make a prefix for the name and append a number? | 16:29 |
| avishay | i would say definitely cinderclient only | 16:29 |
| guitarzan | are we voting? :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | client only | 16:29 |
| eharney | i haven't seen a good argument yet for why we would want to do it in the API | 16:29 |
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| rushiagr | I guess the only point in api's favour is one api call instead of many | 16:30 |
| winston-d | one argument coolsvap has is Horizon doesn't use cinder client | 16:30 |
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| caitlin56 | Are these all being created on a single backend target, or wherever? The latter favors doing this as a client-only solution. | 16:30 |
| duncanT-mob | Then horizon can use a for loop... | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | however horizon can contain the code to do the looping calls itself | 16:30 |
| guitarzan | winston-d: really? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | duncanT-mob: :) | 16:30 |
| guitarzan | horizon has its own client code? | 16:30 |
| eharney | i agree w/ duncanT... | 16:30 |
| winston-d | guitarzan: i'm not sure, coolsvap said so. | 16:30 |
| coolsvap | winston-d: I think i should take the argument | 16:31 |
| guitarzan | that's crazy :) | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | Horizon uses cinder client | 16:31 |
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| winston-d | xyang1: ahha! | 16:31 |
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| caitlin56 | Even if it did not, that would be something for Horizon to fix. | 16:31 |
| guitarzan | phew | 16:31 |
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| winston-d | cinder client +1 | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: you good with that? | 16:32 |
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| xyang1 | this is from horizon code: from cinderclient.v1 import client as cinder_client | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: it would seem silly for horizon to not use the clients wouldn't it. | 16:32 |
| caitlin56 | jgriffith: yes, so if they had been that silly we should not have accomodated thier silliness. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: indeed | 16:33 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: yeah kind of, currently I dont have any argument rather than third party client would help with api changes | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | coolsvap: I think the feature works fine in the client | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: it's a clean non-disruptive change that way as well | 16:34 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: yes, it does | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. great | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: you're up | 16:34 |
| winston-d | i even got feedback from end users that they would like to have a single API to do multiple instances using BFV. :) | 16:34 |
| coolsvap | 2. It would be only V2 change | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | #topic volume-types in ec2 | 16:34 |
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| coolsvap | just a min | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | doh! | 16:34 |
| rushiagr | coolsvap: sure, take ur time | 16:34 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: I can wait, we have loads of time today :) | 16:34 |
| coolsvap | 2. It would be only cinderclient V2 change, or should go in both v1 & v2? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | V2 only | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | V1 is maintenance only | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | bugs | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | no new features | 16:35 |
| avishay | finally :) | 16:35 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: okay | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: indeed | 16:35 |
| coolsvap | 3. jgriffith: target-milestone? | 16:36 |
| winston-d | but actually, this has nothing to do with the API version, right? | 16:36 |
| guitarzan | right | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | coolsvap: I'd prefer this wait until I3 opens up | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | Based on my rant about priority/critical patches earlier :) | 16:36 |
| duncanT-mob | I3, purely to get eyes on it | 16:36 |
| coolsvap | yup, sure | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: DOH | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | you're correct | 16:36 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: I had same discussion with winston-d earlier | 16:37 |
| avishay | winston-d: true | 16:37 |
| coolsvap | so just wanted to bring it up here | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Oh, so you guys are formulating a plan eh :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | frankly I suppose I don't care | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to see us stop carrying everything back to V1 | 16:38 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: nah, just answering some questions coolsvap has | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | even if it is just the client | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: :) I'm kiddin | 16:38 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: i know. :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | but I can see people getting tweaked about not having this as it's just a client feature | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | I really have no opinion, I'll leave it to the rest of the team | 16:39 |
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| duncanT-mob | Pass another couple and I'll be able to get a coffee... | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | duncanT-mob: drinks the fancy stuff | 16:40 |
| duncanT-mob | Nah, I'm in a train station... just high proceed stuff Sally | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:40 |
| duncanT-mob | *sadly | 16:40 |
| avishay | ahh autocorrect is great | 16:41 |
| rushiagr | :D | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Ok.. coolsvap can we move on, or you got more? | 16:41 |
| coolsvap | jgriffith: I think I will take it as yes for both V1 & V2 since winston-d & jgriffith | 16:41 |
| coolsvap | no I am done! | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | alrighty... | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: types in ec2 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | convince me :) | 16:42 |
| coolsvap | rushiagr: thanks! | 16:42 |
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| rushiagr | blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ec2-volume-type | 16:42 |
| rushiagr | I created this after I saw your thoughts on the review and the bug | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:43 |
| avishay | rushiagr: so this is for someone using the EC2 API to talk to openstack? | 16:44 |
| rushiagr | apart from this, I'm also trying to expose volume metadata as EC2 'tags', as in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64690/ | 16:44 |
| rushiagr | avishay: yep | 16:44 |
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| rushiagr | so just wanted to seek any feedback, and any suggestions if someone has a better way | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | kill ec2 api :) | 16:44 |
| avishay | i'm assuming people are doing this because you are taking care of this, but ...uch... | 16:44 |
| duncanT-mob | Seems reasonable, though what happens when amazon add more types? can we make the config option a map or dictionary and be done with it? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | the bigger problem is what happens when you have multiple types/backends that do qos | 16:45 |
| avishay | amazon should change their API to be openstack compatible :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1000 | 16:45 |
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| rushiagr | haha | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | One problem I have with this is we've punted patches in the past that tried to implement default types | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | remember encryption | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | we pretty much raked them over the coals for trying to do that | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | and if the type isn't implemented then what? | 16:46 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: you mean to say no default type, only allow it when admin manually configures? | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: yeah | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: so what you could maybe do.... | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | keep all the changes in the ec2 code only | 16:47 |
| avishay | this is sounding good :) | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | Then have an extra-spec key that indicates io1 support | 16:48 |
| winston-d | rushiagr: yeah, not default type, you have to consider those existing cinder deployment | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | then nova/ec2 can display the type in it's code | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | for all of them | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | In other words it's all smoke an mirrors in the ec2 code | 16:48 |
| duncanT-mob | jgriffith +1 | 16:48 |
| rushiagr | hmmm | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | that maybe what you had in mind but I think it's the way to go | 16:49 |
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| duncanT-mob | Actually you could use a tag for the standard one too | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I mean, the ec2 layer in nova is just another abstraction :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | duncanT-mob: indeed | 16:49 |
| rushiagr | true | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | duncanT-mob: but I was just thinking "standard" is the default/any volume that doesn't have a cinder-type extra-spec | 16:49 |
| duncanT-mob | that would require less config, true | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | and actually, If I were the admin I'd create a scoped key | 16:50 |
| rushiagr | is 'extra-spec' just metadata? or something else? I'm sorry, I have never looked into what exactly is extra spec | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | "EC2:blah" | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: yes, just metadata | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | k/v pairs | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | so in cinder an admin coud do: | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | type-create foo | 16:50 |
| bswartz | (11:05:24 AM) ***jgriffith prposes we ban the label "metadata" :) | 16:51 |
| duncanT-mob | Specifically volume type metadata... since we have so much metadata | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | extra-specs foo set ec2:io1:True | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | or whatever | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: ;) | 16:51 |
| rushiagr | ohh, I get it | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | Nova can easily look at this info | 16:51 |
| duncanT-mob | scoped keys +1 | 16:51 |
| rushiagr | this sounds good | 16:52 |
| winston-d | didn't know extra spec can do this much. :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | and the nova ec2/api can be smart and "look" for that type before going throught eh create and give feedback "notsupported" or whatever | 16:52 |
| rushiagr | duncanT-mob: not sure what are scoped keys. I hope you meant volume-type extra specs? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: :) | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: the biggest problem with extra-specs is it can do too much :) | 16:53 |
| duncanT-mob | rushiagr: yes | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | rushiagr: so it's like this... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | regular keys==> 'key' = 'value' | 16:53 |
| rushiagr | duncanT-mob: ok | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | scoped keys===> 'scope:key' = 'value' | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | so that leading "scop:" I added to the key is an identifier | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | a sort of heirarchal classification | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: got it | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: thanks | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | kinda like "do I even care about this key or not" | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | I like the idea | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | or what's it's contexst | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | context | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | Ok... cool | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | So you'll need to be clever | 16:55 |
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| rushiagr | i'll play around it and update the bp | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | but it's doable and it should be a clean add | 16:55 |
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| winston-d | rushiagr: make sure don't use the 'capabilities' as scope key, it's reserved for capabilities requirement meant to be consumed only by scheduler | 16:55 |
| rushiagr | thanks for the feedback people | 16:55 |
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| caitlin56 | jgriffith:it is really an interface solution, because the context is being prepended to the keys providedby default. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: let me know if you would like/need help | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: exactly | 16:55 |
| rushiagr | winston-d: point noted | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: I'm painfully familiar with that code :) | 16:55 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: heh, thanks | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | alrighty folks... | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | anything else anybody has? | 16:56 |
| * jgriffith notices once again it wasn't a short meeting :( | 16:56 | |
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| rushiagr | but we're on time! :) | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | but I think it was productive at least :) | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: and indeed we're not late this time (yet) | 16:56 |
| duncanT-mob | mobile battery nearly dead, I'm off. Bye all | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | Ok, everybody... thanks a bunch | 16:57 |
| avishay | DuncanT-1: bye | 16:57 |
| avishay | duncanT-mob: bye | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | duncanT-mob: thanks for doing the mobile version | 16:57 |
| rushiagr | duncanT-mob: o/ | 16:57 |
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| avishay | bye all! | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | everybody hang in there for I2, keep up on reviews etc | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | and thanks!!!! | 16:57 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: thanks | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 8 16:57:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-01-08-16.00.html | 16:58 |
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| rushiagr | thanks, bye all! | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-01-08-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-01-08-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: haha! | 16:58 |
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| hartsocks | nice | 16:58 |
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| hartsocks | meeting will start in 1 minute | 16:59 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 8 17:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | \o | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | greetings from the depths of the arctic vortex | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | who's around? | 17:00 |
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| tjones | Its 54 here :-) | 17:02 |
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| rgerganov | same in sofia :) | 17:04 |
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| kenhui1 | happy new year everyone! | 17:04 |
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| tjones | Happy new year! | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | I hope everyone had a good 2 week break. | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | personally I broke a lot of things... | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | We're around 2 weeks out from icehouse-2 feature freeze... | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | so.. | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI#Agenda | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse-2 | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | I'm grooving on the etherpad. So I thought I would just put this up for the team. | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | That's our BP priorities based on last time. | 17:07 |
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| hartsocks | If your BP didn't make "approved" by around last meeting it's probably not going to get into i-2 | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | btw: be nice and name yourself in etherpad. | 17:08 |
| garyk | i added 2 missing BP's - approved, implemented and require some tlc from reviewers | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | good. | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | anyone feel we need to discuss one of these? | 17:09 |
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| garyk | it would be nice to add the cinder BP's too | 17:10 |
| ssurana | I am actually registering one bp right now for enhancing the logger to include vsphere session information | 17:11 |
| garyk | there is the spbm support. i'll post the link in asec | 17:11 |
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| garyk | ssurana: can you please elaborate | 17:11 |
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| ssurana | sure, the idea is to enhance the context of the logger in nova to also include the vsphere session id | 17:12 |
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| ssurana | so that in the logs we could also see the associated session id used on the vsphere | 17:12 |
| garyk | ok. will that be done in oslo? | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/vmware-api | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | we probably should all pay attention to that one. | 17:13 |
| hartsocks | It's not until icehouse-3 however. | 17:13 |
| ssurana | no that would be done in nova, primarily because the session is only relevanct for the nova | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | hrm… I don't know. I think setting up property collectors, property filters, etc. is pretty universal. | 17:14 |
| garyk | in cinder and glance there will also be the session | 17:14 |
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| ssurana | however I am also thinking if we can implment this in a more generic way in OSLO | 17:14 |
| garyk | ssurana: maybe it is worthwhile to interface with vipin about the porting of the code to oslo and see if can be based on his code | 17:15 |
| ssurana | sure | 17:15 |
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| garyk | i guess for the vmware parts. not sure if the oslo logging needs to be changed for the support that you wish to add | 17:15 |
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| ssurana | no I have a current poc code that does not need any change in the oslo logging and that does the job | 17:16 |
| ssurana | but i am still working on this, so havent settled on a particular approach yet | 17:16 |
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| garyk | ok | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | I'll ask for some indulgence… I posted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-soap-session-management | 17:17 |
| hartsocks | the second review there... | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | is up for general reactions. | 17:18 |
| hartsocks | part of that involves the logging changes. | 17:18 |
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| hartsocks | I may have stepped a bit on what ssurana was doing. That wasn't intentional. | 17:18 |
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| ssurana | no thats fine, we will collaborate to come up with the most appropriate implementation | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | I'll just ask for general reactions to this now. I don't expect this can make i-2 | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | I'm not even sure this is the right direction entirely. But I did want to try and do some advanced mocking to show simulating interactions with SUDS. | 17:20 |
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| garyk | would these not be best done on and above the oslo code that we are proposing? | 17:20 |
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| hartsocks | that is a very good question. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | I posted them here because it was easiest. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | Do we have anyone working on the Oslo code in this meeting? | 17:21 |
| ssurana | registered the bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/session-aware-logging-vsphere | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | ssurana, the logging changes weren't my focus. I was focused on changing how sessions were handled. | 17:21 |
| garyk | i will ask vipin to try and join next week. it may be a little late for him though | 17:21 |
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| hartsocks | #action set up BP discussion time with vipin, garyk, ssurana, hartsocks | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | okay. | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | We need to get a little more coordination around that set of changes. | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | Part of the problem I see is we could end up saying "everything will be fixed when vipin is done" | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | … and we wait to address problems forever. | 17:23 |
| garyk | i think that we can do three things: | 17:24 |
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| tjones1 | sorry - can you remind me who vipin is? | 17:24 |
| hartsocks | Vipin is from the Cinder team | 17:24 |
| garyk | 1. make sure that we are all helping and reviewing with the oslo common code | 17:24 |
| tjones1 | now i remember thanks | 17:25 |
| garyk | 2. give our inputs now to ensure that we are able to add enahncements like you guys have mentioned above | 17:25 |
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| tjones1 | garyk: for the common code review - do we have review links (yet)? | 17:25 |
| garyk | 3. continue with the session improvements - we may decide to try and land it in nova until we swap it with the oslo code - it is just working in "paraelll: | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | BTW: the Cinder team was tasked with "forklift" of the driver code to oslo because their driver was newer and ostensibly "cleaner" so the job for them would be easier. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | we have some links... | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/vmware-api | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65075/ | 17:26 |
| hartsocks | I have been a bit critical… but I think the Oslo port is an important opportunity to get right. | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | In general, I personally *never* want to see the lines... | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | except Exception: | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | again. | 17:27 |
| tjones1 | hartsocks: agreed | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | It might not be 100% realistic … but we can at least make it hard to commit that w/o serious explanation. | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | okay, so I think we need some special off line discussion around sessions, session logging, and the Oslo forklift. | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | #action hartsocks, get people talking about sessions, session logging, and the Oslo code -> get recorded somewhere | 17:30 |
| ssurana | question on the oslo code commit, is there anything stopping us from using pyvmomi with oslo | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | technically no. | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | practically yes. | 17:31 |
| ssurana | so this is anyways new code | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | right. | 17:31 |
| ssurana | IMHO we should give that a try | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | but, one long term goal of doing an oslo commit is to get all the drivers rewritten based on the oslo lib. | 17:31 |
| ssurana | otherwise we are never going to ge the pyvmomi in | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | if you make it pyvmomi versus the existing suds stuff we don't know how complex that is. | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | *never* is such a strong word. | 17:32 |
| ssurana | sure. we inside oslo we coudl still have pyvmomi and the rest of the driver code could still be the same | 17:32 |
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| vuil | I think we really need to tackle this in phases. | 17:32 |
| ssurana | sure | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | We *could* propose an Oslo lib based on pyvmomi… | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | a good question is... | 17:32 |
| garyk | we need to make sure that the api that are provide to nova/cinder and glance are not aware ot eh transport/interface - so it could be suds/pyvmomi/even a guy with a spoon carry the data to the vc | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | garyk: bingo! | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | garyk: that's the argument I was about to make. | 17:33 |
| tjones1 | garyk: LOL | 17:33 |
| garyk | btw the guy with the spoon will shour Exception if something drops | 17:33 |
| ssurana | exactly | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | raise SpoonTransportFault() | 17:33 |
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| garyk | heh | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | so my question for all these Oslo commits was: | 17:34 |
| garyk | we just need to understand that it is a process. | 17:34 |
| hartsocks | can we make these OpenStack specific? | 17:34 |
| garyk | i think that they are openstack specific as we are using a subset of what is offered | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | garyk: I actually managed to post something for Oslo that will need to be pulled into Nova later so I'll get a tour of that. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | garyk: I think that's the argument that serves us best. If we make these tailored libs that cover precisely what OpenStack cares about ... | 17:35 |
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| garyk | the process is pretty simple. once it is approved in oslo you run a script which ports it to the relevant project. you need to add a commit message witht he git refs and then it is the same review process | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | that well be tighter, smaller, faster, etc. | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | so we burned a lot of time on BP | 17:36 |
| garyk | no, it is pretty much more of the same. it goes through the same nova review process | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: my last comment was not about the process it was about the oslo libs. Our comments are interleaving. | 17:36 |
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| hartsocks | okay | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | so | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | bugs? | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | yes? | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:37 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/64598 | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | I personally feel this is our highest priority bug right now. | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | I managed to mangle the patch while trying to be clever. | 17:39 |
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| hartsocks | On the plus side I understand git-review a *lot* better. | 17:40 |
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| garyk | i spend my days rebasing :) | 17:40 |
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| tjones1 | gotta love rebasing | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | well, I now know that you are fine with submitting two changes from one git-review | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | you just have to watch those git hashes. | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | I've posted a bug priority order report in the etherpad from earlier. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vmware-subteam-icehouse-2 | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | for the lazy. | 17:42 |
| tjones1 | thanks | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | if it's on that list… and you attend this meeting… and you've *not* reviewed it... | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | frowny face for you. | 17:43 |
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| hartsocks | BTW: the priorities are pulled from launchpad so if you disagree with the priorities there don't edit the ehterpad w/o editing launchpad. | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | There are *rules* we have to follow on the priorities so … follow those. | 17:44 |
| hartsocks | when in doubt poll me and I'll help out. | 17:44 |
| garyk | i have split the reviews into icehouse and hava | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | sure. | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | #link https://review.openstack.org/62587 <- this one makes me sad. | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | it's been so well behaved.. so patient. | 17:45 |
| hartsocks | so neglected. | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | any bugs on there we need to discuss? | 17:46 |
| garyk | sadly it missed the last havana version. hopefully we will get it in by the next one | 17:46 |
| tjones1 | it has no reviewers but jenkins | 17:46 |
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| garyk | he is such a nice chap | 17:46 |
| tjones1 | heh | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | imagine these are puppies … they need attention. | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | well, this is the internet… imagine cats if you prefer. | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | open discussion? | 17:48 |
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| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:49 |
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| tjones1 | one of the reasons i miss reviewing something is if it is not on my important review list i do not see it. Is there a better way other than manually adding stuff mentioned at this meeting? | 17:49 |
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| hartsocks | I just spend a lot of time adding my username to reviews I want to spend time with later. | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | It makes for a huge backlog. | 17:50 |
| garyk | i just use the link - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:vmware+OR+message:vcenter+OR+message:vsphere+OR+message:esx+OR+message:vcdriver,n,z | 17:50 |
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| hartsocks | which works as long as they mention one of those words in the message… we have rules about that now. | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | The script I use every Wednesday actually reads *every patch* in review and looks for 'vmware' in the paths changed. | 17:51 |
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| garyk | i was thinking about an idea | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | so between those two I think you'd get everything. | 17:51 |
| tjones1 | i was wondering if that report could be enhanced to add a name to the review list? | 17:52 |
| * hartsocks motions to go on | 17:52 | |
| hartsocks | tjones1, yeah I think so. | 17:52 |
| garyk | we have a few bp's for i-2. how about we choose 2 a week to all focus our reviews on. if everyone on this meeting gives their thumbs up then it should be a little helpful to get a code | 17:52 |
| tjones1 | i was rthinking that too but didn't get further than thinking | 17:52 |
| garyk | core not code | 17:52 |
| garyk | having 6 or 7 pople spend a week on a bp or 2 should really cover all bases | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | I like it. | 17:53 |
| tjones1 | me too | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | I spend a *lot* less time pulling patches for manual testing now. | 17:54 |
| tjones1 | i still do it if the patch is large (i.e. image cache) which i am doing now and it is WORKING | 17:54 |
| garyk | so how about we do the following. keep the modus operandi this week. | 17:54 |
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| garyk | next week we select 2 bps for i2 and have people accountable for the reviews | 17:54 |
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| hartsocks | Okay. How about we use that etherpad and put our username next to the BP we're committing to review. How's that for accountability? | 17:56 |
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| hartsocks | On the topic of the Minesweeper... | 17:57 |
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| hartsocks | how long before we see vote −0 with a link to logs? | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | I think it helps a lot if we can see when Minesweeper didn't +1 and get a look at what happened. | 17:58 |
| hartsocks | we're out of time. | 17:59 |
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| syerrapragada | It should happen soon by end of this week | 17:59 |
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| hartsocks | cool! | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | We're over on #openstack-vmware if you need to chat (and you're not 100% it belongs on #openstack-nova) | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | Otherwise see you next week. | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | Same Bat-time | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | Same Bat-channel. | 18:00 |
| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 8 18:00:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-08-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-08-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-01-08-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: there? | 18:00 |
| RajeshMohan | Hi | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: great | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: there? | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i think we can have a meeting with whoever is around | 18:01 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 8 18:02:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS tempest tests | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64362/ | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is the initial cut for the API tests | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | fried around? | 18:04 |
| RajeshMohan | I will take a look at the review | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *yfried | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: thanks | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: the first step is that we need to request enabling of q-fwaas on the gate | 18:05 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for that we need to ensure that enabling q-fwaas does not disrupt running the existing tests | 18:06 |
| RajeshMohan | Is anyone else working on tempest? | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: to some extent many people are looking at it | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | including me | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK around? | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I ran devstack with q-fwaas and q-vpn and at least the installation went through peacefully | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we need to do more thorough testing | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2013-December/000579.html | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | clarkb in this thread mentioned that there was an issue that they saw earlier when they turned on q-fwaas | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i am not sure what exactly that issue was | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | clarkb: there? | 18:09 |
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| RajeshMohan | I do not see clarkb on that thread | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps not | 18:11 |
| RajeshMohan | I see Salvatore, yourself and Yair | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2013-December/000586.html | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: see ^^^ this message, it's embedded inside | 18:12 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | he might have replied privately | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | did not realize that | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we need to do our due diligence before recommending | 18:14 |
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| RajeshMohan | so, the goal is to make sure vpnaas and fwaas can work togehter? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: yeah | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: before that we need to make sure that install goes smoothly (i kind of verified that) | 18:16 |
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| RajeshMohan | Makes sense | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: then we need to run the existing tempest suite, and make sure that it passes (with q-fwaas turned on) | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this will not have q-fwaas tests yet, but at least that should pass | 18:16 |
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| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | then we will be in a position to recommend that we are not disruptive | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | once that is turned on, the patches such as above can be reviewed | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently even if the patch is reviewed, it can't be merged | 18:17 |
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| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok if nothing else immediately on tempest, then let's move forward | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service context and Insertion | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62599/6 | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: your patch | 18:20 |
| RajeshMohan | Yes - UT is still pending | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we had lots of discussions over emails | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: np | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i did not get a chance to look at the latest | 18:20 |
| RajeshMohan | Yes - please look at it and send me your comments | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: we are planning to make the agent and driver side changes as well, right? | 18:21 |
| RajeshMohan | I am also working on migration scripts - will update the patch today | 18:21 |
| RajeshMohan | Yes - that's the plan | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: great | 18:21 |
| RajeshMohan | Changes should be on agent only | 18:21 |
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| RajeshMohan | Driver changes may not be needed | 18:21 |
| RajeshMohan | Maybe in update path (when routers are removed in service context), there may be changes in driver code | 18:22 |
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| RajeshMohan | I have to think through that - CREATE and DELETE will be simple changes | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: okay, yeah i thought changes to the driver should be minimal | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: anything currently blocking you (apart from more reviews)? | 18:25 |
| RajeshMohan | No, I am good. | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok great | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: when the patch is closer to being ready, we need to engage other cores | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: start with nati_ueno | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will reach out to him as well | 18:27 |
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| RajeshMohan | Ok, I will ping Nachi | 18:27 |
| RajeshMohan | Ok. Thanks. | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: anything more on this topic? | 18:27 |
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| RajeshMohan | For exisiting unit test cases - i had a question | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:28 |
| RajeshMohan | is it ok to change existing test cases? | 18:28 |
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| RajeshMohan | I have managed to make all the test cases work without changes except 2 | 18:28 |
| RajeshMohan | Both in fwaas-extention test case | 18:28 |
| RajeshMohan | The Firewall object return "service_cntext: None" | 18:29 |
| RajeshMohan | When service context is not configured | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that does not work? | 18:31 |
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| RajeshMohan | The expected result does not have "service_context" | 18:32 |
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| RajeshMohan | Let me spend some more time on it | 18:32 |
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| RajeshMohan | Maybe there is something I can do with the Mock to not set it when it is None. | 18:32 |
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| RajeshMohan | The actual Firewall GET will not return service_context if it is not configured | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hmmm | 18:33 |
| RajeshMohan | That's how all the other existing test cases work without change | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure if that's the right approach | 18:33 |
| RajeshMohan | ok - what do you suggest? | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | shouldn't we be sending back empty service_context? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | come to think of it, i guess the service_context should never be empty, right? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its optional for the user to specific | 18:35 |
| RajeshMohan | I started with that - but for backward compatibilty - I decided to go down this path | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but we will have a default context if none is specified during resource instance creation | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ah okay, but i think we don't need to worry as much about backward compatibility at least for fwaas | 18:36 |
| RajeshMohan | So, GET should show empty or all the routers? | 18:36 |
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| RajeshMohan | If we show routers, then we may need a way to say that it is default and not what was configured | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am thinking GET should give back {'service_context': {'routers': [<router_id>], 'subnets': [], 'ports': [], 'networks': []} | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure that we need to indicate that its default or not | 18:39 |
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| RajeshMohan | So, the router_id will be list of all routers (in case of default) | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will not use default if the user configures the router_id, right? | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ah good, question, so you are asking if the default applies means apply on all routers | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess that should be the case, we are doing that now as default | 18:41 |
| RajeshMohan | Other option is to return {'service_context': {'routers': [], 'subnets': [], 'ports': [], 'networks': []} | 18:41 |
| RajeshMohan | But this means that the firewall rules are applied on all routers | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if we return empty, that means its not applied on any routers | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would not interpret that as being applied on all | 18:42 |
| RajeshMohan | so, we do {'service_context': {'routers': [<list of all router_ids>], 'subnets': [], 'ports': [], 'networks': []} | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would think so | 18:43 |
| RajeshMohan | when no service_context is configured | 18:43 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in the case of the fwaas implementation with perimeter firewalls | 18:43 |
| RajeshMohan | BTW - as a side effect, most exisitng unit test cases will change | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that should be fine | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was going to say that the defaults might be different for a different provider and/or a different service | 18:44 |
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| RajeshMohan | right | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, not stating anything new, just what we had discussed | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gduan: around? | 18:46 |
| RajeshMohan | In this BP, we only worry about L3 reference implementation | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: yeah, sure | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats why i was checking for gary duan | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | because we currently have not tied in the service provider for fwaas, his patch is doing that | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so to your point, that is the default implementation with the default provider (once the provider notion gets added as well) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway since gary is not around we can skip the discussion on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60699/ | 18:48 |
| RajeshMohan | on the same point provider patch - the second patch that does in will have more change | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and lets follow up with him | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ? did not get that | 18:48 |
| RajeshMohan | if service-insertion patch goes in after provider patch, then I may have more changes | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ah ok | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: agree, this will potentially be complicated | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: i mean complicated for gary to merge if he goes second | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: are you fine with us pushing for provider patch merging in first? | 18:50 |
| RajeshMohan | How close is Gary's patch to merge? | 18:50 |
| RajeshMohan | He started first - so I am ok with merging mine with his changes | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like he added UTs | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but is MIA for a while | 18:51 |
| RajeshMohan | I see | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets try to track him | 18:51 |
| RajeshMohan | Must be the holidays | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, also he was not keeping well | 18:51 |
| RajeshMohan | I see | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think his patch is more straightforward | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since it goes along the precedence of lbaas and vpnaas | 18:52 |
| RajeshMohan | Ok, I will start planning into merging with his | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: great thanks | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything more on this topic? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since gary and yi are not here we can discuss more on this if required | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | otherwise i don't have anything more for today'a agenda | 18:53 |
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| RajeshMohan | We have plan on Horizon changes for service-insertion | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: oh good point | 18:54 |
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| RajeshMohan | I meant 'we have to plan on ...' | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah we don't have an owner for that right now | 18:54 |
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| RajeshMohan | right | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it is not required for the default case, but if the user has to provide input, then its required | 18:55 |
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| RajeshMohan | That's true. It will continue to work | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: you have some experience with horizon as well, right? | 18:56 |
| RajeshMohan | Yes - little bit | 18:57 |
| RajeshMohan | mostly cut & paste | 18:57 |
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| RajeshMohan | I can do it if time permits | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: ok we can explore how we can do that patch, the two of us can discuss | 18:57 |
| RajeshMohan | ok | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | RajeshMohan: if you can drop some knowledge on me, i can give it a shot :-) | 18:57 |
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| RajeshMohan | you definetely know more than me :-) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action RajeshMohan SumitNaiksatam find owner for service insertion context for fwaas | 18:58 |
| RajeshMohan | I learnt mostly by looking into Fwaas Horizon changes | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have < one min | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | regarding next week's meeting, we will have if required | 18:59 |
| RajeshMohan | makes sense | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we might go to a bi weekly format soon | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | sorry i was late - should calendar the mtg | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will send out an email to that effect | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: np | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: lets catch up later | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining! | 19:00 |
| SridarK | sounds good will ping u after | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 8 19:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-01-08-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-01-08-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-01-08-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
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| torgomatic | so, Swift meeting, then? | 19:02 |
| torgomatic | it does seem to be about that time | 19:02 |
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| peluse | australia on line? | 19:02 |
| swifterdarrell | o/ | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | I haven't heard from notmyname, so I guess I'll fumble my way through the meetbot stuff | 19:03 |
| torgomatic | #startmeeting Swift | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 8 19:03:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is torgomatic. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| peluse | excellent | 19:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:03 |
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| torgomatic | so, the agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:03 |
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| torgomatic | how about we start with sysmeta status? I think the folks here know something about that one | 19:04 |
| keving | hi | 19:04 |
| torgomatic | #topic sysmeta status | 19:04 |
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| torgomatic | acoles: anything to report? | 19:05 |
| portante | o/ | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | or anyone, really | 19:05 |
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| acoles | so the sysmeta patch is close - i hope! | 19:05 |
| peluse | must be going well :) | 19:05 |
| acoles | i think i have two +1's | 19:06 |
| swifterdarrell | acoles: any substantive changes to folks who reviewed it earlier? | 19:06 |
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| peluse | acoles: are there other immediate targeted uses beyond the federation thing? | 19:06 |
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| swifterdarrell | acoles: (I mean I guess I can just look at the patchset--but an overview? like what happened to gatekeeper functionality) | 19:06 |
| acoles | swifterdarrell: no. gatekeeper middleware is back in the patch, same as before. main change is that it now leverages torgomatic;s wsgi manipulation | 19:06 |
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| swifterdarrell | acoles: cool | 19:07 |
| acoles | so should look very familiar to what you reviewd before | 19:07 |
| swifterdarrell | peluse: account ACLs will be using it | 19:07 |
| peluse | thx | 19:07 |
| swifterdarrell | peluse: there's at least one patcset for that which depend on acoles' | 19:07 |
| swifterdarrell | *patchset | 19:07 |
| peluse | "torgomatic's wsgi manipulation"... is that a drinking game? | 19:07 |
| swifterdarrell | peluse: not if you like your liver | 19:08 |
| torgomatic | peluse: drink until WSGI makes sense | 19:08 |
| peluse | :) | 19:08 |
| acoles | if gatekeeper not configured then gatekeeper will be inserted after catch_errors IF catch_errors is first, otherwise gatekeeper is inserted first | 19:08 |
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| clayg | i think the patch is ready to get in - i'm looking at it - and torgomatic's got a +2 on it | 19:08 |
| swifterdarrell | acoles: sounds good to me | 19:08 |
| * portante wants to look at it, but does not want folks to wait for him to move it forward | 19:09 | |
| clayg | if anyone else really wants to get eyes on it they might stick a -1 on there so I don't approve it when/if I +2 | 19:09 |
| peluse | good stuff acoles | 19:09 |
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| clayg | swifterdarrell: I was still hoping otherjon might +1 it since his patch depends on it | 19:09 |
| acoles | also, object sysmeta support is not included as discussed in channel, that is pending figuring out semantics of POSTing changes to symeta on objects. just saying, | 19:10 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: ya, but I think he'll just adjust/rebase to whatever lands--esp if it's very similar to hwo it used to be | 19:10 |
| torgomatic | yeah, doing persistent metadata on objects is kind of hard | 19:10 |
| clayg | swifterdarrell: it's even BETTER | 19:10 |
| swifterdarrell | :) | 19:10 |
| clayg | torgomatic: i don't see how making the sysmeta of an object tied to like of that timestamp (instead of the life of the resources) negates the usefulness of restricted sys meta on objects | 19:11 |
| swifterdarrell | torgomatic: acoles: cool--i'm perfectly happy punting on obj sysmeta since there's clear value in acct/container getting delivered sooner/with less effort | 19:11 |
| clayg | but... we can do that, and consolidate after_fn, later | 19:11 |
| clayg | i haven't found anything on the patch yet worth blocking it any longer | 19:12 |
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| acoles | clayg: one issue is different bits of middleware competing to update subsets of sysmeta | 19:13 |
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| swifterdarrell | torgomatic: acoles: clayg: k; is that sufficient for the agenda item (status update)? | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | good enough for me | 19:14 |
| clayg | next topic! | 19:14 |
| torgomatic | #topic python-swiftclient status | 19:14 |
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| torgomatic | who knows about swiftclient's status? | 19:15 |
| swifterdarrell | torgomatic: there's some require-SSL patch that's really important and languishing | 19:15 |
| torgomatic | swifterdarrell: oh yeah; didn't that patch just flat-out break stuff for some folks? | 19:15 |
| swifterdarrell | torgomatic: I had problems w/it w/some self-signed cert I'd created a while back; so I didn't like it | 19:15 |
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| swifterdarrell | But someone said I was crazy, and I think they might have been right, so I just went and did other things for a while | 19:16 |
| swifterdarrell | that's all I know | 19:16 |
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| torgomatic | beyond that, it seems like there's a lot of patches for py3 support in the queue | 19:16 |
| clayg | swifterdarrell: fwiw I think the patch could easily add the feature without breaking backwards compat | 19:16 |
| clayg | swifterdarrell: have an ENVVAR and add the feature - then change the default whenver we *want* to bump the rev | 19:17 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: the allow-insecure-ssl thing? | 19:17 |
| clayg | i told this to notmyname and he said "na" so I stayed out of it | 19:17 |
| clayg | swifterdarrell: yeah | 19:18 |
| * swifterdarrell shrugs; I just want --insecure to, well, allow all valid SSL certs (where in my crazy expereience, it didn't) | 19:18 | |
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| notmyname | ....and my alrm didn't go off.. soory | 19:19 |
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| torgomatic | he lives! | 19:19 |
| swifterdarrell | I like the default-verify behavior change | 19:19 |
| swifterdarrell | that part is probably quite solid | 19:19 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:19 |
| openstack | notmyname: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 19:19 |
| torgomatic | swifterdarrell: I'm with you on that one | 19:19 |
| clayg | see | 19:19 |
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| * clayg stays out of it | 19:19 | |
| notmyname | ah, cool | 19:19 |
| swifterdarrell | notmyname: torgomatic started; we finished sysmeta status update and are on python-swiftclient | 19:20 |
| notmyname | yup, just glanced over the backlog | 19:20 |
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| torgomatic | linear agenda ordering is for chumps ;) | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | I'm glad I actually looked at the agenda then | 19:21 |
| notmyname | or put stuff on it | 19:21 |
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| torgomatic | related to swiftclient, how's the progress on removing swiftclient as a Swift dependency coming? | 19:21 |
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| swifterdarrell | So are there any action items here for python-swiftclient? I guess I could look at teh ssl thing again, but the most recent prob was one someone else (at HP?) had, so i dunno what I could add | 19:21 |
| * portante loves watching the team mess with notmyname's head in Perth | 19:21 | |
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| notmyname | chmouel was working on python-swiftclient things | 19:22 |
| notmyname | chmouel: around? | 19:22 |
| torgomatic | I saw a commit merge: 150f338 Remove swiftclient dep on direct_client | 19:22 |
| creiht | his last patch got through | 19:22 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | I'll look into where swiftclient is still used and go from there | 19:23 |
| torgomatic | looks like container-sync and dispersion-report are what's left | 19:23 |
| torgomatic | (and functional tests, but swiftclient is fine in there) | 19:23 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:24 |
| cschwede_ | i could look into dispersion-report if that helps | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: thanks. that'd be great | 19:24 |
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| torgomatic | anything else on swiftclient? | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | not from me | 19:25 |
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| torgomatic | #topic log #openstack-swift or not | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | ok, this one is mine | 19:26 |
| notmyname | the question is as the topic says. should we publicly log #openstack-swift | 19:27 |
| portante | on this topic, I have had my comments in #openstack-swift picked up and noticed by the powers at be today already | 19:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: NOW can we have a vote!? | 19:27 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:27 |
| creiht | lol | 19:27 |
| creiht | notmyname: I don't see why not | 19:27 |
| notmyname | portante: so this was exactly my concern. I know that's happened to you, so do we want to have the logs existing and searchable? | 19:27 |
| peluse | I vote sure | 19:27 |
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| torgomatic | hang on hang on | 19:28 |
| portante | I don't personally mind that, as I consider this semi-permanent anyways | 19:28 |
| swifterdarrell | The channel's already public, so maybe it makes it easier to find, but not any more public | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | #startvote Should #openstack-swift have public logs? yes, no, abstain | 19:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should #openstack-swift have public logs? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 19:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:28 |
| notmyname | for others, what's happened (without too many details) is that portante has had others withing Red Hat contact him about something he said in channel | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | AUTOMATION! :) | 19:28 |
| peluse | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| swifterdarrell | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| creiht | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| torgomatic | #vote abstain | 19:29 |
| clayg | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| portante | #vote abstain | 19:29 |
| keving | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| acoles | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| cschwede_ | #vote abstain | 19:29 |
| fbo | #vote yes | 19:29 |
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| portante | are other openstack channels logged? | 19:30 |
| torgomatic | #endvote | 19:30 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should #openstack-swift have public logs?" Results are | 19:30 |
| openstack | yes (7): peluse, acoles, keving, swifterdarrell, creiht, clayg, fbo | 19:30 |
| openstack | abstain (3): cschwede_, portante, torgomatic | 19:30 |
| * notmyname is internally debating | 19:30 | |
| creiht | portante: yes | 19:30 |
| notmyname | heh, too late | 19:30 |
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| * clayg guesses it was probably like "he portante saw you were talking and generally being a baddass - keep it up" | 19:30 | |
| torgomatic | notmyname: oop, sorry, jumped the gun there | 19:30 |
| creiht | clayg: lol | 19:30 |
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| portante | clayg: unfortunately, no. | 19:31 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: no worries | 19:31 |
| creiht | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 19:31 |
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| creiht | it would be better to be transparent | 19:32 |
| cschwede_ | portante: i think all (major) except ... swift :) | 19:32 |
| portante | ah | 19:32 |
| notmyname | BTW, if anyone (else) ever has someone approach them trying to limit what's said in any way in openstack IRC channels, I'd love to argue with them about it. | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | *them == the person trying to limit what's said | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | really, some folks already have logs | 19:32 |
| notmyname | I'm fine with logging. I just didnt' want to turn it on without mentioning it in a meeting first (and this is our first meeting since it last came up) | 19:33 |
| torgomatic | I mean, I know my machine has them saved somewhere | 19:33 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on :-) | 19:33 |
| torgomatic | so, anyone in the channel, plus anyone who works for the NSA | 19:33 |
| peluse | well, that's given | 19:33 |
| portante | sssh maybe they are sleeping ... | 19:33 |
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| torgomatic | #topic Swift 1.12.0 release | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | we did sysmeta already? | 19:34 |
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| portante | yes, acoles is doing a great job | 19:35 |
| notmyname | yay. good job acoles! | 19:35 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:35 |
| notmyname | ok, swift 1.12.0 release | 19:35 |
| notmyname | here's what I'm thinking: | 19:35 |
| acoles | i got a bunch of help | 19:35 |
| notmyname | when the sysmeta stuff lands, I'd like to seriously look into a 1.12 release | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | so, in the near term | 19:36 |
| notmyname | the sysmeta functionality + (hopefully) swiftclient extraction + (maybe) account ACLs would be very nice for a release (+ the other stuff that's landed) | 19:36 |
| swifterdarrell | notmyname: can taht include account ACLs plz? | 19:36 |
| notmyname | yes, I hope so | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | I haven't had a chance this week to sit down and look at the specific details of what will be in it, but I wanted to at least have a near-term marker for doing it | 19:38 |
| clayg | swifterdarrell: notmyname: I don't think account acl's are going to just fall in once sysmeta lands? I'm sure much fewer people have been looking at that because of the patch chain dependency | 19:38 |
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| swifterdarrell | clayg: I hope so :) | 19:38 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: as does otherjon, no doubt | 19:38 |
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| swifterdarrell | clayg: wait, I misread what you typed | 19:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: that's true, but the broad parts of account acls should be pretty good, I think. he's done a lot of work to ensure that the overall design is in the right direction | 19:39 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: I'm hoping the ACL biz is straightforward w/a solid foundation of an already-merged sysmeta | 19:39 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: because, if not, assuming the rough edges weren't related to actually persisting sysmeta, we should have already banged out any rough edges on the account ACL stuff concurrently w/the sysmeta patch | 19:40 |
| clayg | swifterdarrell: I just don't think anyone else has looked at it, I've mostly compromisied to the approach as disccused (but that wasn't what was in the patch last I looked) | 19:41 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: k... we'll see how it shakes out :) | 19:41 |
| cschwede_ | swifterdarrell: i had a look at it and have a question/idea about it, but we can talk after the meeting on #openstack-swift | 19:41 |
| clayg | eitherway, all of the same stuff (container vs. account format, json in headers, write vs read-write) is probably going to come up again in review | 19:41 |
| * clayg is assuming someone else *will* look at it | 19:42 | |
| clayg | oh yeah! i forgot cschwede_ was looking at it! | 19:42 |
| * clayg hugs cschwede_ | 19:42 | |
| swifterdarrell | cschwede_: sounds good; otherjon is the man to talk to, btw | 19:42 |
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| swifterdarrell | notmyname: torgomatic: sorry for the de-rail; back to 1.12.0? | 19:43 |
| notmyname | any other questions on 1.12? | 19:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: what's the cutoff for account acl's? | 19:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'm pretty sure sysmeta is close - i don't really understand what needs to happen with swiftclient | 19:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: are you just waiting for a list of features to land then then it goes? | 19:44 |
| notmyname | there isn't a cutoff yet. but in-general, let's say end of next week would be a good time to have things for 1.12 landed | 19:44 |
| swifterdarrell | notmyname: ouch; that's a tight window for the acct acl IMO | 19:45 |
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| clayg | lol, I thought I wsa playing the role of pessimist todate? | 19:45 |
| notmyname | so let's make sure to review it :-) | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | that's a goal, bit yet a requirement (the target timeframe fro 1.12) | 19:46 |
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| swifterdarrell | clayg: it's a team effort | 19:46 |
| swifterdarrell | notmyname: k | 19:47 |
| creiht | clayg: within a group full of pessimists, yes even you can look like an optimist at times :) | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | heh | 19:47 |
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| clayg | swifterdarrell: notmyname: otherjon: ummm... does anyone have a link to the account acl patch? | 19:47 |
| swifterdarrell | clayg: it's probably on page 4 in gerrit? | 19:48 |
| swifterdarrell | (haha) | 19:48 |
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| cschwede_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63227/ | 19:48 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:48 |
| clayg | wow that commit msg is epic | 19:49 |
| swifterdarrell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63227/ | 19:49 |
| notmyname | so please go take a look a that | 19:49 |
| swifterdarrell | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63227/ | 19:49 |
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| portante | is that on the priority review list? | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | any other 1.12 questions? I want to talk about the gate briefly here at the end of the meeting | 19:50 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: topic open discussion | 19:50 |
| torgomatic | #topic open discussion | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | portante: maybe? I hope | 19:50 |
| * portante is being lazy | 19:50 | |
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| * notmyname hasn't looked at the priority review list this week in AUS yet | 19:51 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: thanks | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | gate queue is 93 deep; 8 more and it breaks the graph ;) | 19:51 |
| notmyname | so, as everyone knows, the gate is really backed up | 19:51 |
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| portante | it hit 101 today | 19:51 |
| notmyname | http://not.mn/gate_status.html | 19:51 |
| portante | that I saw | 19:51 |
| notmyname | wow | 19:51 |
| portante | but it needs to say over 100 for a while in order to make it into the graph, though, right? | 19:51 |
| cschwede_ | looks like the queue is stopped | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | ya, it's an average of the time-bucket (12 hours currently) | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | jeblair and clarkb are here at LCA and I know they've been working on getting jenkins performing better | 19:52 |
| cschwede_ | no started zuul jobs on http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ for the last hours | 19:52 |
| notmyname | they're working hard on their side of it (jenkins just got too overloaded--something like a load average of 350) | 19:53 |
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| notmyname | but that's a small part of "there are >90 things in the gate and gate resets keep happening frequently" | 19:53 |
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| portante | i asked the rh openstack storage team if they are feeling the pain | 19:54 |
| notmyname | so, I'd like to ask for continued patience with the -infra team for their part. they are actively working on getting the queues flowing | 19:54 |
| portante | and they emphatically said yes | 19:54 |
| notmyname | portante: and? | 19:54 |
| notmyname | good to know | 19:54 |
| portante | but nobody volunteered to take any action | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | the fact that gate jobs fail frequently is a separate concern | 19:54 |
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| portante | folks seem at a loss as to what to do | 19:54 |
| notmyname | so I wanted to make that clear | 19:54 |
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| notmyname | portante: unfortunately, a lot of it is "try harder to not write bugs" | 19:55 |
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| creiht | time to fork and land large pachsets each night? :) | 19:55 |
| notmyname | but the topic came up again in this weeks openstack meeting | 19:55 |
| portante | but they said they are spending a lot of time triaging failures in obscure code somewhere in openstack instead of regular work | 19:55 |
| notmyname | I'm concerned about the additional dev time cost like that | 19:56 |
| creiht | I'm concerned that they still think they can make this all work :( | 19:56 |
| notmyname | we see it too. we babysit patches and it take a lot of time instead of reviewing and writing swift code | 19:56 |
| portante | it is too much, materially costing companies money to participate that they did not on and cannot plan for | 19:56 |
| portante | creiht: agreed | 19:57 |
| notmyname | 4 minutes....typing faster | 19:57 |
| notmyname | creiht: so while I agree to some extent, it's not "us" vs "them" | 19:57 |
| creiht | oh I know | 19:57 |
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| notmyname | we, as a community, need to figure out how to unclog the pipes | 19:57 |
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| creiht | lol | 19:58 |
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| portante | the voice of reason from Perth | 19:58 |
| notmyname | 2 thigns we've talked about are automating the recheck comments and monitoring the gate queue resets | 19:58 |
| notmyname | and we can actually do those things | 19:58 |
| creiht | that's the problem though... there is no community there, it is only "them" who knows how to do it right | 19:58 |
| portante | torgomatic does that now for us. :) | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | creiht: I think there is a lot of pain felt by a lot of people. and many people are working on it | 19:59 |
| notmyname | I'd like to see some changes in how integration tests work, but that didn't go so well when we presented at the team meeting. | 19:59 |
| torgomatic | time's just about up, fwiw, but we can keep talking in #openstack-swift | 19:59 |
| torgomatic | ...and there it goes | 20:00 |
| creiht | notmyname: yes, as there have been for a long time. How long will we continue to bang our heads against the wall until we realize that _perhaps_ a new approach may have to be considered | 20:00 |
| creiht | heh | 20:00 |
| torgomatic | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 8 20:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-01-08-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-01-08-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-01-08-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 8 20:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| notmyname | so le'ts keep working on it as a group as part of openstack, not against everyone else | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | hi all | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| andersonvom | o/ | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 20:00 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:00 |
| zaneb | \o | 20:00 |
| spzala | hi | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | o/ | 20:00 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
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| m4dcoder | o/ | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | the only action last week was the alt meeting time poll, that is on the agenda anyway | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-1-8.29 | 20:02 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: I was wondering, if radix is around, if he can give us a status update of where the autoscaling stuff is headed? | 20:03 |
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| radix | oh, hello | 20:03 |
| shardy | hey radix | 20:03 |
| radix | thanks for the namecheck, I forgot about the meeting time again :P | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I'll add it | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | alrighty | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic Inclusive meeting times - redux | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | http://doodle.com/rdrb7gpnb2wydbmgimvtgws7/admin#table | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | so europe gets a raw deal out of all the meeting times in this scenario | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | #link http://doodle.com/rdrb7gpnb2wydbmgimvtgws7/admin#table | 20:06 |
| shardy | It's unfortunate it's going to split the group so much | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | no europe | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | so the first thing is to establish what these meetings are for. Any important decisions should happen on the mailing list, so we don't need everyone to attend every meeting | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | so another option is to have the alt time be bad for west-coast US, and good for APAC, russia and europe | 20:08 |
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| stevebaker | for some measure of "good" | 20:09 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: what sort of time are we talking? | 20:09 |
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| randallburt | sorry I'm late | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20140115&p1=264&p2=136&p3=33&p4=166&p5=179 | 20:11 |
| zaneb | ooh, fancy | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | it would have to be something like this, so all of US would be out http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=1&day=15&hour=8&min=0&sec=0&p1=264&p2=136&p3=33&p4=166&p5=179 | 20:12 |
| sdake | define bad for west coast | 20:12 |
| sdake | we have 4 core in US iirc | 20:13 |
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| sdake | losing half the core team half the time doesnt' seem optimal :) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20140118&p1=264&p2=136&p3=33&p4=166&p5=179&p6=137 | 20:13 |
| zaneb | with LA added ^ | 20:13 |
| andersonvom | it seems like something around 11pm EST would work well for the other timezones | 20:13 |
| zaneb | :( | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | there are 6 non-US core | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | so the purpose of the meeting is for anyone to raise concerns with enough cores to get some kind of answer | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | and for the PTL to find out how specific things are going | 20:16 |
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| sdake | 11pm est looks like the best slot although it excludes shardy and perhaps some of our east coast us | 20:16 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: 7am? you'll be awake won't you ;) ? | 20:17 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, that's do-able :) | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb, jpeeler, you would offically get a pass | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | ha: someone else that has to get up for 7am meeting :-) | 20:18 |
| zaneb | yeah 11pm EST is too late for east coast. It'll be midnight in the summer too. | 20:19 |
| shardy | stevebaker: are we still talking about the wednesday? | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes | 20:19 |
| zaneb | is the proposal to alternate among 3 meeting times, or just 2? | 20:19 |
| shardy | 7am Thursday would be better for me as I'll have to leave early on a wednesday for childcare-run | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | just 2 for now, lets keep it simple | 20:20 |
| sdake | 2 != simple :) | 20:20 |
| zaneb | lol | 20:20 |
| sdake | but unfortunately necessary | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | shardy: thursday would sometimes clash with my python user group, but that might not matter | 20:21 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I can do any days except tues/wed | 20:21 |
| shardy | although if we stick with wed I can probably attend some of the meeting | 20:21 |
| radix | hmm, maybe 3 meeting swould allow most people to attend 2/3rds of the meetings, whereas 2 meetings would only allow 50%? | 20:21 |
| radix | but, yeah, that's complex :) | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | so I propose this time. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=1&day=16&hour=7&min=0&sec=0&p1=264&p2=136&p3=33&p4=166&p5=179&p6=137 | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: that excludes all of US | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | sdake never sleeps | 20:23 |
| zaneb | fair point, but he is a special case ;) | 20:23 |
| sdake | 11pm is generally past my bedtime, but I can try in a half-hearted fashion to make it :) | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | and only 5pm for me, cool | 20:24 |
| tspatzier | zaneb, bad move from Munich to NC ;-) | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | its a conspiracy! | 20:24 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: it seemed like such a good idea at the time | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | excluding US sucks, but I think it is worth trying for a bit | 20:25 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: can I suggest another poll with all of the options? | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | it might mean we do more on the mailing list, which we seem to be anyway | 20:26 |
| andersonvom | how many cores would be available at both times this way? | 20:26 |
| sdake | there are 4 core in the US IIRC | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | so how about we keep the current time for next week and I'll raise another poll? | 20:26 |
| sdake | stevebaker +1 | 20:26 |
| zaneb | sdake: at least 5 by my count | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | including the most popular option from the 1st poll | 20:27 |
| sdake | 5 may be right | 20:27 |
| zaneb | and we have 10? 11 total? | 20:27 |
| sdake | imo we want to exclude as few core as possible - even if means non-core gets the shaft | 20:27 |
| sdake | if non-core gets the shaft, they can wake up at odd hours if they want to participate :) | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | #action stevebaker to raise another doodle poll with a range of alternative times | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | ok, lets move on | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | #topic icehouse-2 blueprints | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | i-2 is two weeks away! | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | we need more reviews, lots of reviews hanging | 20:29 |
| sdake | i stopped reviewing over the christmas break - will start up again | 20:30 |
| sdake | asalkeld I think alot of folks were in that same boat | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/parameter-nested-schema has no asignee, I'll have to kick it unless it gets one soon. asalkeld? tspatzier? | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, kick it for now | 20:30 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I believe therve was thinking of looking at it | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | (ok, nice) | 20:30 |
| zaneb | but I think it depends on stuff that tspatzier is working on | 20:31 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: can you raise a blueprint for that so we can set up the dependencies? | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | I'll assign it to therve. he can unassign | 20:31 |
| randallburt | zaneb, stevebaker I think he was talking about new constraint types after merging param and property schema, so this may be tangental | 20:31 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, I am currently working on the 2nd part of unifying the schema code. I plan to submit a WIP patch tomorrow to get some feedback. | 20:31 |
| tspatzier | once that is done, I think this BP will be easier to solve | 20:32 |
| zaneb | ++ | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | likewise, any blueprint with Delivery: Not Started will probably just be kicked to i-3 in 6 days time, so please update anything you're working on | 20:33 |
| tspatzier | zaneb, I can open a BP for the work I am currently doing, so we can track the dependency | 20:33 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: thanks :) | 20:33 |
| tspatzier | zaneb, will I be able to set the dependency? Or will one of the core members have to do it? | 20:33 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: not sure, but if you can't ping me and I will do it | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | you could try, or ping us | 20:34 |
| tspatzier | ok, will do | 20:34 |
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| sdake | tspatzier I think you have to be in the "drivers" group to set deps but not certain | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | anything else on i-2? If you don't think you're blueprint will be ready in time feel free to move it to i-3 now | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | #topic tempest slow tests | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | so any change in tempest can now be run against the heat-slow tempest job if you comment with "check experimental" https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63260/ | 20:37 |
| shardy | stevebaker: any idea roughly how long the slow job takes? | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | however simple tests with an instance and a waitcondition are currently failing http://logs.openstack.org/60/63260/1/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow/1d62626/testr_results.html.gz | 20:37 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: 27 minutes, but tests are timing out. Not sure if timeout is due to slowness or connectivity fail | 20:38 |
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| sdake | heat has a 10 minute wait condition limit by default IIRC, and when I ran heat in a vm, it took 27 minutes to boot a vm, so that might be the problem | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | if anybody has the time and ability to debug why those tests are failing in gating that would be a huge help | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | sdake: yes, it may just need cranking up the timeouts, or it may be a neutron connectivity issue | 20:40 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: what kind of environment are these tests running in? not bare-metal, I assume? | 20:40 |
| radix | I wonder if nested hardware virtualization is turned on for those VMs. | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: all-in-one devstack on hpcloud or rax | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | radix: I doubt it | 20:41 |
| radix | :( | 20:41 |
| radix | that would make a huge difference | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | yeah | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | radix: gate has enough problems without enabling that ;) | 20:41 |
| MikeSpreitzer | 27 minutes? I am doing nested virtualization, and it takes nowhere near as long. | 20:41 |
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| stevebaker | so ping me if you're keen to have a crack | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | #topic Software config POC | 20:42 |
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| stevebaker | I've split up the blueprint a bit, have a look at the dependencies https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config | 20:42 |
| shardy | stevebaker: nanjj was asking earlier in #heat if you wanted some help with the software-config tasks | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: I wonder if nanjj could take on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config-rest ? It would mean adding full test coverage to these existing changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/hot-software-config-rest,n,z | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | and this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58885/ | 20:44 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, I can talk to nanjj tomorrow morning when he is up | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: ok, thanks | 20:45 |
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| tspatzier | stevebaker, I also read you ML post from Dec 14th (yeah, my vacation was looong). Are the next steps still valid? | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | I'm working on this at the moment, so I hope nobody has any issue with an inclusion intrinisic function https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/get-file | 20:45 |
| tspatzier | i.e. are you looking for people to implement a chef and puppet provider? | 20:45 |
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| stevebaker | tspatzier: yes, but it might be a bit early for that. We really need a get_file mechanism first | 20:47 |
| tspatzier | agree on the get_file. that makes a lot of sense. The long inline script in your sample is nasty | 20:48 |
| shardy | would that get resolved in the client, or in the engine via the environment? | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | tspatzier: but we can push ahead with the hot-software-config and hot-software-config-rest blueprints for now. I'm hoping that at least get-file and hot-software-config-rest will make it into i-2 | 20:49 |
| zaneb | shardy: both | 20:49 |
| zaneb | shardy: that is to say, in the engine, but the client would see it and ensure that the files get put into the environment automatically | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | shardy: both client and engine need to "evaluate" get_file calls | 20:49 |
| tspatzier | stevebaker, sounds good | 20:49 |
| shardy | zaneb, stevebaker: Ok, sounds good, as long as we're passing the files via the environment rather than allowing urls to be referenced in the template parser | 20:50 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: the client part is technically optional (you could make people include the files manually), but makes things ~10e6 times easier | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | shardy: the plan is to fetch urls on the client side, and put the contents into the files section | 20:51 |
| zaneb | shardy: ++ | 20:51 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | shardy: should we do the same for --template-url too? I would like to | 20:51 |
| zaneb | we need to stop resolving URLs in the api/engine unless they're from Swift | 20:51 |
| radix | +1 | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: --template-object is currently fetched client-side | 20:52 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1, and kill that parameter for the v2 API | 20:52 |
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| shardy | (but still allow it in the client, which will load and pass the template body) | 20:52 |
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| stevebaker | I've actually moved template_format.py and environment_format.py from heat to heatclient since we'll have to parse in heatclient to evaluate get_file | 20:53 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: remember you have to think about nested stacks also | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | heat already depends on heatclient | 20:53 |
| chmouel | I was wondering if there was some work done already to move heatclient to requests like others *clients ? | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | chmouel: that is looking for a volunteer | 20:53 |
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| susaant | stevebaker: Continuing the ML discussion - some of the vendor images do not allow installation of addition software. They allow config through ssh or REST etc. Will hot software-config take into consideration such scenarios. | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | 6 minutes | 20:54 |
| chmouel | stevebaker: cause httlib and utf8 is a PITA | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | #topic autoscaling update | 20:54 |
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| radix | susaant: which vendors? | 20:54 |
| shardy | radix: can you give us a quick update on where you're headed and what the status is? | 20:54 |
| shardy | radix: you have quite a few BPs not started, so interested to hear the plan and check if you need help :) | 20:55 |
| radix | yeah, sorry about that, that's my own failing. it should be farther along but I have been distracted by lots of other things | 20:55 |
| susaant | radix: one sucnexample is f5 virtual big ip... | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | susaant: we need to figure that out later, but you'll need to be *very* specific about what you're trying to achieve | 20:55 |
| radix | my next task is still to start adapting parts of the PoC therve and I worked on a while back to submit some tiny patches | 20:55 |
| radix | I am pretty much caught up after holiday now so hopefully you'll see patches soon :) | 20:56 |
| zaneb | radix: github link? | 20:56 |
| radix | sec | 20:56 |
| shardy | radix: Ok, so are you going to break out the existing functionality first, ie refactor so we can have native AS resources with abstracted common logic, then add the AS API later? | 20:57 |
| shardy | or are you still planning to start with the API then add functionality? | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | chmouel: it would be great if you could tackle a heatclient requests conversion | 20:57 |
| susaant | stevebaker: ok. Will take up this discussion over email.. | 20:57 |
| radix | looks like https://github.com/therve/heat/tree/as-api-spike and https://github.com/therve/heat/tree/bp/autoscaling-api | 20:57 |
| radix | shardy: hmm, no, I think the plan was to start with the API | 20:58 |
| chmouel | stevebaker: sure I can have a look is there a bp referencing this ? | 20:58 |
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| radix | shardy: but adapting from the existing code | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | chmouel: I thought there was a bug for it but couldn't find anything yesterday. Please raise a bp in launchpad python-heatclient | 20:58 |
| shardy | radix: OK, I would do the opposite FWIW but it sounds like you have a plan | 20:58 |
| radix | regardless it should be tiny patches that don't change any existing functionality | 20:59 |
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| zaneb | radix: I agree with shardy here. The API is useless without some implementation behind it | 20:59 |
| radix | zaneb: hmm, I don't think that's the same thing | 20:59 |
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| zaneb | but an implementation that allows us to implement native resource types is useful even without an API | 20:59 |
| chmouel | stevebaker: ok! will do | 20:59 |
| shardy | zaneb: +1 | 20:59 |
| radix | zaneb: by "start with the API" I of course mean having an implementation. the resources will wrap the API | 20:59 |
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| zaneb | radix: but what will the API wrap? | 21:00 |
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| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 8 21:00:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-08-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-08-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-08-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| radix | an engine? all the policy logic? etc? I'm just describing what we've all talked about already :) | 21:00 |
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| radix | oops | 21:00 |
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| stevebaker | quick robin! to the bat-#heat | 21:00 |
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| zaneb | radix => #heat | 21:00 |
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