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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 6 19:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
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| rloo | me | 19:00 |
| linggao | me | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:00 |
| ifarkas | o/ | 19:00 |
| pcarver | me, though I have nothing particular to discuss | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | welcome old and new "nicks" | 19:01 |
| dkehn | here | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | everyone is welcome | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | looks like thats about it | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Devananda is down under at LCA, So I don't expect he'll make the meeting. | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | And our Ukrainian friends are most likely still on vacation. | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | anyone else have any announcemrnts? | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | we'll move on to | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | As the I2 release date gets closer Devananda thought it would be good to go over the blueprints and bugs | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | so lets jump in to BluePrints | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | PXE driver should mount target iSCSI volume and "dd" image | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/pxe-mount-and-dd | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | I not sure on this one why its taged as needs review but dose not have a assignie | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | so we'll skip over it. | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | Map instances to conductors using a consistent hashing algoritm | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/instance-mapping-by-consistent-hash | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | this is one deva is working on | 19:06 |
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| NobodyCam | I know i have seen several reviews releted to it, so again with out deva we can skip over it | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | use ipmitool to provide serial console access | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/serial-console-access | 19:07 |
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| linggao | It is in code review. | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | this is Sun Jing | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | sun jing is woking on it , there's a review up already | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64100/ | 19:08 |
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| linggao | sun jing has implemented the support for ipmitool. | 19:08 |
| linggao | Needs to support ipminative after icehouse. | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | yea so, in ironic we have an driver's interface for the console | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | with it's own start/stop methods etc | 19:09 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome, | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: is that also in the cli? | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | so it doesn't need to be implemented within ipmi* (power interfaces) | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, not yet | 19:09 |
| linggao | I agree with lucasagomes | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:09 |
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| NobodyCam | looks like sun jing's review has several -1 on it. do se know if they are being addressed? | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | this thing about having a separeted console interface in Ironic is being addressed there | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | ok next up: | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | add Neutron support | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/add-neutron-support | 19:12 |
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| NobodyCam | dkehn: any word | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:12 |
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| dkehn | in the middle of working it, hopefully have at least a WIP soon | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | awesome !!!1 | 19:13 |
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| dkehn | code is mostly there and I I've figured out the testing, at least through neutron | 19:13 |
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| dkehn | the other way , will need help but I think to make | 19:13 |
| dkehn | I2 that might be good | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | sweet :) | 19:14 |
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| dkehn | thats it | 19:14 |
| dkehn | for me | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | our testing guru is still on vacation | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | should be back tomorrow | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | and with that we can move on to bugs | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | again we are still short some people I will mention them here for those who are readding the logs | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | Bugs: | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | non-unique pxe driver 'instance_name' causes problems | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1236536 | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | that GheRivero | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | *thats | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | GheRivero: Are you here? | 19:16 |
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| NobodyCam | if he shows up we can come back to him | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | sync_power_states does not handle missing driver info well | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1262912 | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | this is not assigned to to anyone | 19:17 |
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| rloo | NobodyCam: that looks easy to fix. (appearances can be deceiving). I'll look into it. | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | loks like haomeng was looking in to it | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: can you ping Haomeng | 19:19 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: yeah, ok, i'll ask him. looks like he couldn't reproduce. | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | just to make sure he's not on it | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:20 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: yup, will check with Haomeng about it. | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | #action rloo looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1262912 | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | rloo: Thank you | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | and another Haomeng bug: | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | Race when associating instance_uuid | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244541 | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | I will see if I can follow up with him too | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | and the last bug to go over: | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | Update node reservation by user causes unbreakable lock | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250348 | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | Yuriy is working on that ... so I will try and get with him tomorrow or wed. | 19:22 |
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| lucasagomes | there's a patch waiting for review for that | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | as we progress to graduation here a link to read over. | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59454/2/reference/incubation-integration-requirements | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | I'll take another look at it as well | 19:23 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55549/ | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I too will take another look after the meeting | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | any thing else from anyone on BP's or bugs? | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | if not we'll move on to : | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Integration and testing | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | I think most of the people working on this are still on vacation so, are threre any question on testing? | 19:27 |
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| lucasagomes | hmm, have you started testing the deployment right? | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | I have not, hope to getting to that this week | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicDevstackTesting | 19:28 |
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| NobodyCam | has some info on it | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | ah great :) | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | I will be working up a dnsmasq link and instructions for manually building the tftp dir for some basic tests | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | dnsmasq link == command line command | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | with out over questions we can jump in to : | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Python-IronicClient | 19:31 |
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| NobodyCam | lots of great work on the cli at the end of last week | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | we are really close to being able to deploy | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: anything you think needs to be pointed out about the cli? | 19:32 |
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| lucasagomes | nice, you'll need that patch adding the deploy trigger to the cli libs for ur deploy tests? | 19:32 |
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| NobodyCam | ya !! | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | right, maybe we should get lifeless to review that patch and +A | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | that actually leads us nicly to | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Nova-driver | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | yup | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | I have ofc totaly lost my place over the holiday | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | I reviewed the driver before my vacations, need to review it again | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | and am getting myself back into the grove | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | I am working on a static map of driver required fields | 19:35 |
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| NobodyCam | so that the nova driver knows what to add for a deploy | 19:35 |
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| lucasagomes | right, what's working on the driver already? | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | we are also attaching nova's vif data model to the port so that don's neutron patch has the ata he needs to work woth | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | is it possible to power on a vm with the ironic driver for nova? | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | with even | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | I mean, using nova as an endpoint for ironic | 19:37 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: yes nova driver should be able to power on / off | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | sweet | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:38 |
| ifarkas | NobodyCam, a question regarding the deployment workflow: what is needed to test it in its current form? Only the ironic driver in nova? | 19:38 |
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| NobodyCam | and the ironic client | 19:38 |
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| ifarkas | sure | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | ifarkas: here is the DIB (disk image builder) element I use to create my test env.. https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic-element | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic-element | 19:39 |
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| ifarkas | NobodyCam, cool, thanks! | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | and a walk thru of using it: here | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic#Using_Disk_Image_Builder | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | any other question / comments on the nova driver | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 19:41 |
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| NobodyCam | if not we'll jump over to: | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:41 |
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| lucasagomes | off the top of my head, idk if there's something to discuss bout the API | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | I think we landed the make chassis not manadtory? | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | yup | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | it;s now optional | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome ness | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64701/ | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | ok I had to of skipped something | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | we are at FFT | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | humm | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | open floor | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | right, anyone is familiar with taskflow here? | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | I was thinking about the ramdisk agent | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | in the HK summit kinda talked about the deploy agent to poll "what's next to execute" from the Ironic API | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: do we know how the ramdisk will talk back to ironic? | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | and I was taking a look if taskflow would be suitable for creating the workflow for the ramdisk | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | anyone has some thoughts about it? | 19:45 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I think he will do it via the Ironic API endpoint | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | it will POST things to the api | 19:46 |
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| NobodyCam | how about any auth issues | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | via the vendor passthru | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | or some kinda of allowed acl ? | 19:47 |
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| lucasagomes | yea, I don't know exactly how it's going to work | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | I think there were some discussion about it | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | for e.g | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | passing a auth key via kernel cmd line | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | but it's limited and won't work | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: sounds like we'll need a ether pad for options | 19:48 |
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| lucasagomes | could use the ftp as well so the ramdisk would suck it from there | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | yea | 19:48 |
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| lucasagomes | there's some ways to do it, and I know people have discussed some | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | we could build auth in to a file on tftp dir | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | ya | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | yea | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | and the ramdisk would grab it from there | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | ya, | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | it's openfloor, if people has others ideas on how to do it please | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | so there are many options we'll start a epad and explor them | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | yes please jump in | 19:49 |
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| NobodyCam | any thing else? | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | we have 10 minutes | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | if not we can head out early and grab some lunch | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I know its getting late for you today, let hookup on the ramdisk auth subject tomorrow am | 19:51 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, cool | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | works for me | 19:52 |
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| NobodyCam | so if thats it we can call it a early meeting. | 19:52 |
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| NobodyCam | Thank you every one. we should have all the vacationers back for hte next meeting | 19:53 |
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| lucasagomes | cheers | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you all, | 19:53 |
| ifarkas | Thanks and bye! | 19:53 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 6 19:53:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-01-06-19.00.html | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-01-06-19.00.txt | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-01-06-19.00.log.html | 19:53 |
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| NobodyCam | see everyone back in channel | 19:54 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha people | 20:58 |
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| sc68cal | hello | 21:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| nati_ueno | hi! | 21:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | amotoki, armax, arosen, mestery: ping | 21:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:01 |
| Swami | hi all | 21:01 |
| armax | hello | 21:01 |
| arosen | o/ | 21:01 |
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| * markmcclain is fairly certain the weather in Atlanta would be shorts weather for mestery | 21:02 | |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 6 21:02:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| mestery | Ha! | 21:02 |
| * mestery can see his breath as he types in this meeting. | 21:02 | |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| enikanorov | cold, heh? | 21:02 |
| dkehn | I'm guessing anything south of the mason dixon line | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | so it's been two weeks since our last meeting and many took time off during the holidays | 21:03 |
| mestery | Almost -30 air temperature this morning, at least -50 with wind chill, all temps F. As cold as I can remember it. | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: that just sounds painful | 21:04 |
| mlavalle | mestery: where do you live? | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | Wow!! | 21:04 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: if next week in Montreal is anything like that, I think I'll just die. That is way below my operating temperature. Seriously I have a label which says "operate strictly between 0C an 40C" | 21:04 |
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| mestery | mlavelle: Minnesota | 21:05 |
| dkehn | welcome to the polar vortex | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | Icehouse-2 is Jan 24rd | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | oops 23rd | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | The tempest/Neutron sprint is next week | 21:05 |
| * mestery hopes someone brings salv-orlando a toque: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toque#Canadian_usage | 21:06 | |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: believe it or not I have a Toronto Maple Leafs toque, somewhere | 21:06 |
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| * mestery loves the Maple Leafs. :) | 21:07 | |
| dkehn | mestery: its a balmy 28F in montreal | 21:07 |
| mestery | dkehn: Psssh. That's for amateurs. :) | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | dkehn: oh yeah? I'm so packing my swimsuit and sunglasses then | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | so we're still tracking the same critical bugs as before Christmas | 21:07 |
| dkehn | http://www.weather.com/weather/extended/CAXX0301?par=yahoo&site=www.yahoo.com&promo=extendedforecast&cm_ven=Yahoo&cm_cat=www.yahoo.com&cm_pla=forecastpage&cm_ite=CityPage | 21:07 |
| dkehn | salv-orlando: I'll meet you by the pool | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I have updated the status of bug 1253896 | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: at least one should go away | 21:08 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: ok | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: which one? | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | "timeout waiting for thing" one | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:09 |
| enikanorov | the fix has been committed to nova | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov: do you have a link for the fix? | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | I want to link it into https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1250168 | 21:10 |
| enikanorov | let me find | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain | nati_ueno: looks like we have reviews ready for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1112912 | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: still seems to failing jenkins | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | have you been able to triage it? | 21:11 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I got it. I'll fix it in this afternoon | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain | great | 21:12 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Jenkins looks working for me (Dec16) but may be rebase needed | 21:12 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64383/ | 21:12 |
| pcm_ | I've getting Jenkin's failures on my code review (only docstring changes in latest version). | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: please rebase | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: thanks | 21:13 |
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| pcm_ | Can someone help me off-line to devug | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: gotcha | 21:13 |
| pcm_ | debug? | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | pcm_: ask around in the channel after the meeting | 21:13 |
| pcm_ | or do I need to rebase (was done last week). | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | if I didn't have to run I'd hang around and help | 21:13 |
| pcm_ | markmcclain: OK | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | pcm_: I'd try that | 21:14 |
| pcm_ | markmcclain: OK. | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | marun: this bug is still open | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1192381 | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | can we consider it closed? | 21:14 |
| marun | markmcclain: I think so, yes. | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:15 |
| marun | markmcclain: there is a follow-on blueprint that will ensure eventual consistency: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/eventually-consistent-dhcp-agent | 21:15 |
| marun | markmcclain: but the best we can do without a refactor has already been committed | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | what milestone should I target for the bp? | 21:15 |
| marun | markmcclain: probably icehouse-3 | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:16 |
| marun | markmcclain: hopefully progress can come sooner but i don't want to rush it | 21:16 |
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| markmcclain | yeah we definitely want to make sure we maintain stability | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | Any other critical bugs the team needs to discuss? | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | do we skip our favourite bug? | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | bug 1253896? | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain | we did | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1253896 | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | looks like you did some research on it late last week | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | come on, we're actually not fixing this bug just because we love talking about it. | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | seriously, failures in non-isolated jobs are down to 0% which is good for the gate | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | yeah | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | however we want to make isolated and parallel jobs the default solution, so it's not so good that just the isolated jobs has a failure rate of about ^% | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | sorry 6% | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | and that's up ftom about 2.5% before christmas | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | ugh | 21:20 |
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| marun | do we want to get isolated/parallel working as currently defined? | 21:20 |
| marun | it's currently a really beastly stress test that is unrepresentative of real-world usage for the most part | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | marun: yes, that is correct, but I would like to move this discussion in the tempest part | 21:20 |
| marun | (because of running on a single node that is cpu/io bound like crazy) | 21:20 |
| marun | salv-orlando: fair enough | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | We'll return to parallel tests in tempest section | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | for the current situation, we need to look at the logs. If we conclude that the reasons for the failure are the same that are causing failures in the parallel jobs, then we should just wait for the patches to merge; but I doubt that. | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | It would be great if we can get some fresh eyes to look at the logs, as I won't have much time during this week. | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | yeah I am interested to know what caused the failure rate to triple | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | Any other bugs the team needs to discuss? | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | I am too. Note that I've been taking 24 hours samples - the first on Dec 23 and the second on Jan 2 | 21:22 |
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| salv-orlando | that's is all. I would be happier if I somebody else volunteers to look at the logs and provide his/her feedback | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | especially if that somebody is coming to montreal next week. | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | I've got training tomorrow, but I'll try to spend time digging if anyone has spare cycles before then feel free update the bug | 21:24 |
| * salv-orlando is sure people are now rushing to logs.openstack.org to check the logs | 21:24 | |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:24 |
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| markmcclain | emagana is out today but has filled in the report | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:25 |
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| annegentle_ | markmcclain: can I bring up a docs item? | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | #undo | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | annegentle_: yes! | 21:25 |
| annegentle_ | markmcclain: we're having a discussion on the mailing list about a new networking -only guide | 21:25 |
| annegentle_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-January/003582.html | 21:25 |
| annegentle_ | that just goes to a mid-thread discussion | 21:25 |
| annegentle_ | but since Edgar has been out I haven't been able to ping him about it | 21:26 |
| annegentle_ | so, just wanted to put it on your radar... I'm hesitant to add another guide what with all the reorg we've been doing (augggh) but wanted to see what you all think, would it be useful, better, worse? | 21:26 |
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| markmcclain | I missed this thread, so thanks for raising it | 21:27 |
| sc68cal | +1 | 21:27 |
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| annegentle_ | I agree with Tim Bell that "if the image management gets it's own book, why not networking" | 21:27 |
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| annegentle_ | but, it's a pile of work, with real underlying teaching needs, so we need to find a good "owner" | 21:28 |
| sc68cal | subscribed to the BP - i'll pitch in from a lot of doc that I wrote up internally while I was learning Neutron | 21:28 |
| mestery | I'm all in favor of a guide for networking. | 21:28 |
| annegentle_ | anyway, feel free to discuss amongst yourselves, comment on the blueprint, etc. Ohh thanks sc68cal | 21:28 |
| annegentle_ | markmcclain: thanks for letting me pop in :) | 21:28 |
| annegentle_ | carry on | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | my 2p at first glance is that the Neutron community has struggled a bit to handle the current workload | 21:29 |
| annegentle_ | salv-orlando: yep really it'd be best to have a tech writer take it | 21:29 |
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| annegentle_ | salv-orlando: if you know of anyone, I could even ask for a contract | 21:29 |
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| salv-orlando | annegentle_: exactly my point is that we don't have a doc guy so far; just people taking turns in playing that role. I'll let you know if I hear of somebody interested | 21:30 |
| annegentle_ | k thanks | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | ok.. everyone feel free to catchup on the thread and chime in on the mailing list | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | annegentle_: thanks for pointing this out | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | annegentle_: anything else since edgar is out this week? | 21:31 |
| amotoki | note that it is a thread in docs ML | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki: good reminder | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic tempest | 21:32 |
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| * mestery didn't know there was a docs mailer and wonders why that is in fact ... :( | 21:32 | |
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| markmcclain | Let's circle back to parallel testing before we dive into Tempest | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: want to update on parallel testing? | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | sure markmcclain | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/023109.html | 21:33 |
| salv-orlando | We have a bunch of patches which are aimed at solving the structural problems we found in the OVS agent. | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | They're are all listed in the email linked above | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/023289.html | 21:34 |
| salv-orlando | While running parallel tests we noticed a set of new issues. | 21:34 |
| * salv-orlando is looking for a link, sorry | 21:35 | |
| salv-orlando | these issues have all been tagged with neutron-parallel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=neutron-parallel | 21:35 |
| salv-orlando | a single issue is causing 90% of tests to fail and has to do with an error on port quota check. | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | I have a fix for it. | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | ok | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | But sdague rightly asked me to make sure that I'm not just gaming the test and hiding what would be a fundamental issue inneutron | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | but I'm no that anyway | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64217/ | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | on the other issues, I think most of them are just because the tests are not parallel-safe, or do not take into account things might work differently with neutron | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | except for one error: the ssh protocol banner error | 21:37 |
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| salv-orlando | I think Nachi had a good hint that it might depend on the metadata server being slow or failing | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | nati-ueno: ^^^ | 21:38 |
| salv-orlando | because that would explain why ping works and ssh not even if iptables rules are correctly configured on the l3-agent | 21:38 |
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| salv-orlando | So that's the current situation. What I would love to see is people picking up all the bugs tagged with neutron-parallel | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | and squash all of them by next week | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | that's all from me. Questions? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | it would be really nice to have the parallel bugs solved before we all meetup | 21:39 |
| * marun gets with the squashing | 21:40 | |
| markmcclain | marun: thanks | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: thanks for working through the parallel issue | 21:40 |
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| salv-orlando | I think it's now time to move to what marun said: the load imposed by tempest | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | happy to talk about that? | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | yeah we can discuss | 21:41 |
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| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: Yes I faced the errors when metadata server didn't working well | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | I think if I interpret marun correctly, tempest with isolation and parallelisms bring the cpu on the gate close to 100% | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: problem is the ssl certificate configration via metadata server | 21:42 |
| marun | i think it's reasonable to do stress testing, but watching neutron fall over in a scenario that no self-respecting operator will allow is crazy. | 21:42 |
| * mestery agrees with marun. | 21:42 | |
| salv-orlando | I think this is because every test creates and wires a network with dhcp enabled, and attach is to a router (which is wired as well) | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | now some history, deriving from conversations with mtreinish | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | this has been deemed good, because it stressed the neutron a bit | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | since there is no other form of stress testing (the large ops jobs uses a fake driver, so it stresses just the api server) | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | I would agree the stress has been good | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | it is arguable whether stress testing should be part of the current test suite, whose aim is functional | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | and that decision is not from me. | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | also agree that functional and stress should be different conversations | 21:44 |
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| salv-orlando | From my side, I've noticed that in particular creating and wiring a router for every test put such a load on the l3 agent that caused long delays and potential timeouts; so I had a patch for making router creation only optional | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: so it's our agent not handling the load | 21:46 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I would say that if you ask to wire 50 routers in a minute, it's understandable that the agent might take more than 60 seconds to process the load | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | yeah agreed | 21:47 |
| marun | is that a reasonable usage scenario? | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | in a large cloud maybe | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, I would just like to get a consensus between neutron and qa teams | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | on how to behave wrt network resource creation for each test | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | I am happy with anything :) | 21:48 |
| marun | salv-orlando: i think providing stable behavior under parallel execution is the goal. | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 21:49 |
| rkukura | Seems to me that the goal for functional (tempest) tests should be to run as quickly as possible, and with minimal resources (i.e. in single VM). Stress testing is different. | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | But I guess we can't do anything better than moving the discussion on the mailing list | 21:49 |
| marun | rkukura: +1 | 21:49 |
| marun | salv-orlando: agreed | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | ok marun, can we count on you to start the thread? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | yeah I'd like to give folks an opportunity to weigh in | 21:50 |
| marun | salv-orlando: can do | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | marun: thanks | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | marun: thanks | 21:50 |
| marun | np | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | ok 10 minutes left | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: Any items that you included on the agenda that need to be highlighted? | 21:51 |
| mlavalle | nope, everything is in the agenda, let's move on | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for providing the update | 21:51 |
| mlavalle | np | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | Any other Tempest items to discss? | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | #topic IPv6 | 21:52 |
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| sc68cal | hello | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | I'm still working on the tail-f failure | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | I've been trying to track down the system maintainer | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | I found one person, but he was the point of contact | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | *was not | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | Thanks - that's pretty much blocking all of our progress, since it seems to scare off reviewers with the big scary -1 | 21:53 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I was wondering if it's ok to ask the infra team to temporarily revoke voting rights to the service user | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: that's an interesting proposition | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | I'll discussion with them | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | We're also looking more deeply into what would need to be done for VIF attributes for hairpinning | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: yeah I've changed my gerrit view so that I can see who gave -1s | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:54 |
| sc68cal | we're finding that it's a libvirt only behavior | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | Anything else? | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | So is it worth having a VIF attribute if it's really only one compute driver using it? | 21:55 |
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| sc68cal | otherwise that's it for me | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | that's probably best asked on ML, so that we give everyone a chance to weigh in | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | Thanks for the update | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | #topic ML2 | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ML2 (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:55 | |
| markmcclain | rkukura or mestery:? | 21:56 |
| mestery | We plan to drive the port delete issue to closure this week at the meeting, there has been a long-standing thread on that since before the holidays. | 21:56 |
| mestery | Also, the plan for this week is to refocus on the TypeDriver enhancements as well. | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | some closure on that will be good | 21:56 |
| mestery | We're seeing a few more Ml2 MechanismDrivers pop up, which is also pretty cool! | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | awesome | 21:57 |
| mestery | That's about it for ML2, more detail in the Wednesday meeting on IRC. | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | thanks for updating | 21:57 |
| rkukura | nothing to add | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | #topic CLI | 21:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CLI (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:57 | |
| markmcclain | On Friday, a version of dependent lib was released that broke the neutronclient | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | we rushed out a temporary fix | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | and released 3.3.3 which is compatible with the newer version of cliff | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to send out email on long term client fix | 21:58 |
| * anteaya notes verification voting is turned off for tail-f, see ml | 21:58 | |
| anteaya | also new accounts have verification voting off by default | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: thanks for clearing that up | 21:59 |
| anteaya | np, sorry I'm late | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:59 | |
| anteaya | montreal weather: http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/Montreal+Canada+CAXX0301 | 22:00 |
| pcm_ | dumb question...there's been some meeting date/time changes. Is there a wiki with all meetings listed (versus scanning ML)? | 22:00 |
| sc68cal | pcm_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 22:00 |
| pcm_ | sc68cal: Thanks! | 22:00 |
| anteaya | we are doing waves of cold and warm, so far looking warm for code sprint | 22:00 |
| Swami | Hi Folks, I have posted an updated version of "Distributed virtual Router" blueprint for review. Please review it and provide your feedback. | 22:00 |
| marun | oh, on the issue of ml2.... | 22:00 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: neutron multihost. is it planned? I guess it should be on nova-parity list? | 22:00 |
| Swami | link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 22:00 |
| marun | requiring the agent to be up to bind ports synchronously. good? bad? discuss! | 22:01 |
| enikanorov | i also remember a patch from gongysh implementing multihost | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: yes there are multiple groups working on solutions to tackle it | 22:01 |
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| rkukura | marun: Sounds like a question for openstack-dev | 22:01 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: do you knwo who can I contact with to discuss it? | 22:01 |
| mestery | marun: Is that with OVS and/or LB? I would think it has to be up for a synchronous bind, no? | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: the original patch from gongysh I don't think would be accepted right now | 22:01 |
| enikanorov | that's for sure | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | I'll encourage the teams working on solutions to post updates to the ML | 22:02 |
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| enikanorov | ok, thanks | 22:02 |
| marun | rkukura: fair enough | 22:02 |
| rkukura | marun, mestery: I think this is the "fail to bind if agent isn't currently alive" vs. "there has been an agent on that node sometime in the past so it will eventually work, so lets just bind now" | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | marun: that's definitely a ML discussion since we're over time | 22:02 |
| gongysh | enikanorov: I think the DVR is a direction to replace multihost. | 22:03 |
| marun | mestery: neutron is a distributed app. we need to act accordingly | 22:03 |
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| mestery | marun: Lets discuss on ML :) | 22:03 |
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| markmcclain | Thanks to everyone for stopping in this week… remember we have the IRC channel and ML to discuss items between meetings | 22:03 |
| marun | mestery: :) | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 6 22:04:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-01-06-21.02.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-01-06-21.02.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-01-06-21.02.log.html | 22:04 |
| rkukura | marun, mestery: We could also put this on the ML2 meeting agenda | 22:04 |
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| marun | rkukura: +1 | 22:04 |
| mestery | Good idea rkukura! | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: that would work for me | 22:04 |
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| nati_ueno | bye! | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | just make sure to send out something to ml to indicate the output of the meeting so that those affected by timezones can still contribute | 22:04 |
| rkukura | bye | 22:05 |
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