| Daisy | Hello | 00:00 |
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| Daisy | We will start I18n team meeting now. | 00:00 |
| gabrielcw | Hello | 00:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 00:00:44 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, gabrielcw | 00:00 |
| Daisy | Long time no see. | 00:00 |
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| gabrielcw | hi! it's been a while! | 00:01 |
| ujuc | HI, :) | 00:01 |
| Daisy | Hope everything runs well for you. | 00:01 |
| Daisy | Good morning, ujuc. | 00:01 |
| gabrielcw | hello | 00:01 |
| Daisy | Welcome to join. | 00:01 |
| ujuc | :)) | 00:01 |
| epico | hi | 00:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico ! | 00:01 |
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| Daisy | I have only a few topics today. | 00:02 |
| ujuc | Ok. | 00:02 |
| Daisy | #topic "Installation guide" translation mobilization | 00:02 |
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| Daisy | I think you might have gotten my email. | 00:02 |
| gabrielcw | yes | 00:03 |
| Daisy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2013-December/000358.html | 00:03 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, hello | 00:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, chandankumar | 00:03 |
| Daisy | I hope it's not too early for your, chandankumar. | 00:03 |
| Daisy | So we will translate 1 document during the IceHouse dev lifecycle. | 00:04 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, i am just awake to attend the meeting. | 00:04 |
| Daisy | We can do the document translation before Feb. We will start the message translation from Feb. | 00:04 |
| Daisy | So we have 1 month and a half to translate one document. | 00:04 |
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| Daisy | After discussion with doc team, I decide to choose "installation guide" | 00:05 |
| Daisy | It's not a big one. | 00:05 |
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| Daisy | I got ujuc's response that he will join this translation plan. | 00:05 |
| Daisy | How about others? Will you join the translation of installation guide? | 00:05 |
| gabrielcw | yes I will | 00:05 |
| Daisy | Thank you, gabrielcw . | 00:05 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: do you have time to work on the translation? | 00:06 |
| gabrielcw | I don't know if I will have much help, but I'll try | 00:06 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, i will bestarting with amandeep. | 00:06 |
| gabrielcw | time seems enough | 00:06 |
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| Daisy | chandankumar: I got an request to create a new language "Punjabi" | 00:07 |
| chandankumar | yes | 00:07 |
| Daisy | Is it an Indian language? | 00:07 |
| chandankumar | yes | 00:07 |
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| chandankumar | as well as the same language is used all over the world. | 00:07 |
| Daisy | Do you have concerns to create another Indian language? | 00:08 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, there are lots of punjabi people outside there who knows punjabi and read and write everything in punjabi | 00:09 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, for which another language ? | 00:09 |
| Daisy | ok. That's good. I may make a mistake. I remember you asked to create a Indian language too. | 00:09 |
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| Daisy | If I'm wrong, ignore my question. | 00:10 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, i will send a list of indian languages used here . | 00:10 |
| Daisy | hehe. | 00:10 |
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| Daisy | so next topic | 00:11 |
| Daisy | #topic Wiki page for translation team | 00:11 |
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| Daisy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam | 00:11 |
| Daisy | I reorganized our wiki page. | 00:11 |
| Daisy | There are some changes I made. | 00:11 |
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| Daisy | I separate the contribution into three catalogs. | 00:12 |
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| Daisy | one is translation, the second is tools maintaining. the third is I18n bugs fixing. | 00:12 |
| Daisy | And I add locale translation page. | 00:12 |
| Daisy | A list of locale translation teams. | 00:13 |
| gabrielcw | nice | 00:13 |
| ujuc | nice :) | 00:13 |
| chandankumar | good | 00:13 |
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| Daisy | Please write a page to introduce your locale translation team and add a link in our I18nTeam wiki page. | 00:13 |
| Daisy | You can use English, you can use your own language too. | 00:14 |
| epico | cool | 00:14 |
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| macjack | great | 00:14 |
| Daisy | There are two samples now. One is Chinese translation team, the other is Korean translation team. Thank you, ujuc. | 00:14 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 00:14 |
| Daisy | Welcome, macjack. | 00:14 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:14 |
| macjack | Daisy: :) | 00:14 |
| Daisy | You could create a page to introduce Taiwan translation team too. | 00:15 |
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| macjack | Daisy: glad to do so, Thanks | 00:15 |
| Daisy | Since we are getting popular, I usually get requests to create new language teams. | 00:16 |
| Daisy | So I make this page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/CreateLocaleTeam | 00:16 |
| Daisy | It introduce the steps about how to create a locale translation page. | 00:16 |
| Daisy | Then the language team creation request will send to our mail list. | 00:16 |
| Daisy | If you have concerns, please raise them. | 00:17 |
| gabrielcw | I think it's good! | 00:17 |
| Daisy | I mean, if you have concerns to create a new language team, you can raise them when we get the new language request. | 00:17 |
| Daisy | I know some languages are same only the locale is different. Then we should discuss whether we need to have different language teams. | 00:17 |
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| gabrielcw | oh, right! | 00:18 |
| Daisy | If you have suggestions to the steps to request a new language team, please raise it here or send me email offline. | 00:18 |
| Daisy | "OpenStack I18n team have work plans. Locale translation teams could follow I18n team's work plans. But as a locale translation team, your team also have the right to decide your own work items and the priorities. " | 00:19 |
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| Daisy | So I think , our locale translation teams have enough right to decide your own work. | 00:19 |
| Daisy | Just need to let me know if you need me help. | 00:19 |
| Daisy | For example, I know Taiwan team want to collect "terms" firstly before they want to start translation. | 00:20 |
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| Daisy | macjack, do you have any progress with the term collection? Are there anything you want me help? | 00:21 |
| Daisy | "OpenStack I18n team is a team to coordinate all language translations, and the cooperation between I18n team and development teams. " | 00:21 |
| macjack | Daisy: starting to translate the glossary currently | 00:22 |
| Daisy | So I18n team is a place to share our work results too. | 00:22 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, is it similar with my terms collections? | 00:22 |
| Daisy | Not that similar, chandankumar. | 00:22 |
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| Daisy | Taiwan team wants to collect the "common words" among the openstack translation resources. Or we can say: the frequent used words. | 00:23 |
| Daisy | Not the terminology and their definitions. | 00:23 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, got that | 00:24 |
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| macjack | Daisy: to determine the terms which do we need to translate or not? | 00:24 |
| Daisy | Translating the "frequent used words" before the whole document translations is a way to improve the qualities. | 00:24 |
| Daisy | macjack: Sorry I didn't get your points. | 00:25 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, i will collect frequent used terms from openstack | 00:25 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: how do you plan to do it? | 00:25 |
| Daisy | I remember there are some tools to automatically extract the frequent used words. | 00:26 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, the terms which are generally visible in dahsboard which are common | 00:26 |
| macjack | some frequent word are already there on transfix | 00:26 |
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| Daisy | Openstack has glossary in Transifex. That's true. | 00:27 |
| chandankumar | yes | 00:27 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, we can get from glossary, (some terms) | 00:27 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, what is the tool name? | 00:28 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: if you don't mind, I can send you a link to the tools to do "term extraction". I think these tools will do an analysis of the resources and extract the frequent used words or terms. | 00:28 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, that will work | 00:28 |
| Daisy | http://blog.fxtrans.com/2011/08/nine-free-term-extraction-tools.html | 00:29 |
| Daisy | http://blog.csoftintl.com/ten-things-you-should-know-about-automatic-terminology-extraction-part-one/ | 00:29 |
| Daisy | Hope these links can help you, chandankumar. | 00:29 |
| Daisy | When you make progress, you can send to our ML. I think our ML is sometimes very quiet. :)) | 00:30 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, let's make some noise there! | 00:30 |
| Daisy | OK. I have done what I want to say in 30 minutes. | 00:30 |
| Daisy | Now time is left for you. | 00:30 |
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| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 00:31 |
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| Daisy | Do you have any topics to say here? | 00:31 |
| gabrielcw | I have nothing for today, things are slow in pt_br | 00:32 |
| chandankumar | no i have not. | 00:32 |
| gabrielcw | as in most of languages, as I can see :) | 00:32 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: it's OK. Our translators are contributing in our spare time. | 00:32 |
| gabrielcw | sure | 00:32 |
| gabrielcw | no horizon releases also | 00:33 |
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| Daisy | I know it very clear. So we should be appreciated more than paid developers. :)) | 00:33 |
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| gabrielcw | agreed :) | 00:33 |
| Daisy | gabrielcw: do you have people helping you on the translation work? | 00:34 |
| gabrielcw | no, very rarely someone helps | 00:34 |
| gabrielcw | but many joined lately | 00:34 |
| Daisy | @all: if you have people who contribute on the translation, please remember their names. You can put them in the wiki page of your language team . | 00:34 |
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| Daisy | Openstack community will offer free registration tickets to those who contribute. | 00:35 |
| gabrielcw | there's the openstack ambassador here on br that helps sometimes, I will put it there | 00:35 |
| Daisy | Openstack community also have progress to sponsor people travel to attend the summit. | 00:35 |
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| Daisy | Openstack community also have progrem to sponsor people travel to attend the summit. | 00:36 |
| Daisy | Openstack community also have program to sponsor people travel to attend the summit. | 00:36 |
| gabrielcw | don't forget to vote for the J release naming | 00:36 |
| gabrielcw | everyone! | 00:36 |
| Daisy | So remember those who contributes, and they should be recognized. | 00:36 |
| Daisy | Thank you, gabrielcw. I think Jack is a good name. :)) | 00:36 |
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| Daisy | But I'm sure the community may prefer a rare name. I'm joking. | 00:37 |
| Daisy | so if you have nothing to talk, let's close the meeting. | 00:38 |
| gabrielcw | ok | 00:38 |
| Daisy | and we can meet again in the next meeting. | 00:38 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 00:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"" | 00:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 00:38:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-12-19-00.00.html | 00:38 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, Thank you for the meeting\ | 00:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-12-19-00.00.txt | 00:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2013/openstack_i18n_meeting.2013-12-19-00.00.log.html | 00:38 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for participation ! | 00:38 |
| gabrielcw | thanks1 | 00:39 |
| Daisy | Thank gabrielcw for staying late with us. | 00:39 |
| gabrielcw | no problem! | 00:39 |
| Daisy | Thank chandankkumar for getting up early. | 00:39 |
| epico | thanks! | 00:39 |
| Daisy | Thank you epico for participating. | 00:39 |
| gabrielcw | good night/evening/day folks | 00:39 |
| Daisy | I see your comments in a i18n bug. | 00:39 |
| epico | Daisy, welcome | 00:39 |
| ujuc | thanks :) | 00:39 |
| Daisy | Thank ujuc for attending meeting everytime ! | 00:40 |
| macjack | thanks all | 00:40 |
| ujuc | :) | 00:40 |
| gabrielcw | bye, thanks | 00:40 |
| Daisy | thank you, macjack ! | 00:40 |
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| Daisy | bye! Have a good night/day ! | 00:40 |
| ujuc | bye :) | 00:40 |
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| enikanorov | neutron lbaas meeting in a minute | 13:59 |
| obondarev | hi | 13:59 |
| evgenyf | Hi | 13:59 |
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| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 14:00:52 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | hi folks | 14:01 |
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| Vijay | Hi enikanorov | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | hi Vijay | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov | #topic announcements | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov | not too much to announce, the tempest scenario test for lbaas that we've created helped us to identify a few issues that came with unified agent patch | 14:03 |
| obondarev | yeah | 14:03 |
| evgenyf | nice | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | so it would be could if anyone could share a result of running this scenario in their environment | 14:04 |
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| Vijay | we have not yet tried out, but we have now a setup ready with devstack + appliance | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | things are not moving much last days because whole team is focused on gate issues | 14:05 |
| Vijay | so we should be able to run in a couple of days | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: cool | 14:05 |
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| bana_ | hi | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | great. I'm seeing more and more third-party testing systems reporting back test results | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | hi | 14:05 |
| bana_ | I have a question if you dont mind | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | i think i have seen some report with 'radware' in it | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | bana_: what is it? | 14:06 |
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| bana_ | after unified agent when ever agent makes an callback to a plugin which plugin driver will receive it ? | 14:07 |
| obondarev | it will be recieved by the LBaaS plugin | 14:07 |
| obondarev | not plugin driver | 14:08 |
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| obondarev | plugin driver sets callbacks on main plugin | 14:08 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: We have no reports back yet | 14:08 |
| Vijay | The healthmonitor's tempest test is expecting the pool.status to be ACTIVE/INACTIVE according to the status of the server. There is no driver api today. | 14:08 |
| Vijay | How is HA proxy doing it? | 14:09 |
| bana_ | oh ... thanks thought plugin_driver receives it | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: haproxy does it by colelcting the stats | 14:09 |
| obondarev | bana_: np | 14:09 |
| Vijay | so how does the stats work? is it collected periodically by tye plugin? | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | during the stats colelction it identifies dead node and updates it's status | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: it is collected by the agent, in case of haproxy | 14:10 |
| Vijay | what does the agent do with the stats? | 14:10 |
| obondarev | it sends them to the server | 14:10 |
| obondarev | and server handles | 14:10 |
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| obondarev | so at first agent fetches stats from every pool | 14:11 |
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| Vijay | sends them to which server? | 14:12 |
| obondarev | to the plugin in particular | 14:12 |
| obondarev | lbaas plugin | 14:12 |
| obondarev | plugin has update_pool_stats callback | 14:13 |
| Vijay | ok | 14:13 |
| Vijay | this not relevant to any northbound call that the lbaas plugin received right? | 14:13 |
| Vijay | it is periodic update to databse? | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | obondarev: regarding bana_'s question. isn't it LoadbalancerCallbacks that receive calls from the agent, and those callbacks are plugin-driver specific? | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: as a consequence, yes | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov | db gets updated periodically | 14:14 |
| Vijay | This is quiet tricky for agentless models. imagine the driver is going to talk to all the devices and getting the stats + status and sending to plugin | 14:15 |
| bana_ | Yes was checking the code and I dont see how the plugin is receiving the callbacks | 14:15 |
| obondarev | enikanorov: agent_based plugin driver sets LoadbalancerCallbacks on the lbaas plugin | 14:15 |
| Vijay | more ever, the driver will not have any trigger-point/thread to do this right? | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | obondarev: bana_: in other words I'm saying that it's plugin driver that recieves it, rather then plugin itself | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: it could (and probably should) have a separate thread | 14:16 |
| Vijay | let me think about it. | 14:16 |
| obondarev | enikanorov: bana_: look at AgentBasedPluginDriver code, method _set_callbacks_on_plugin | 14:16 |
| bana_ | but if I have multiple plugin drivers and I want to update a status of a particular plugin driver how can I do it | 14:17 |
| Vijay | when is the "stats" function called in the driver? | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: see, this is a whole point to employ agents in order to communicate with devices. agent is not required, but then you are to solve this on your own | 14:17 |
| obondarev | seems have two parallel threads here | 14:17 |
| obondarev | maybe let process one by one | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: during periodic task | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | ok, lets continue with callback at open discussion section | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | and discuss stats collection | 14:18 |
| bana_ | but since we are using same topic we cant say which one will receives it | 14:18 |
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| bana_ | ok | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | bana_: lets discuss at the end of the meeting | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: please go ahead | 14:18 |
| Vijay | ok | 14:18 |
| Vijay | so this periodic task is called by who? | 14:19 |
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| Vijay | and what is the purpose? | 14:19 |
| obondarev | bana_: meanwhile please look at AgentBasedPluginDriver code, method _set_callbacks_on_plugin | 14:19 |
| obondarev | Vijay: currently periodic task is started by the agent | 14:20 |
| obondarev | it collects stats every 6 seconds and sends to plugin by rpc | 14:20 |
| enikanorov | the purpose is to collect the stats from the device and send it back to the db | 14:20 |
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| bana_ | @obondarev okay | 14:21 |
| Vijay | let me see if i understand this. agent is calling the plugin driver.stats() method periodically | 14:21 |
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| Vijay | and stats() method will call back agent to get the task done | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | no | 14:22 |
| obondarev | not exactly | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | i believe it is simpler | 14:22 |
| obondarev | yeah | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | agent just collects the stats and send them back to the plugin | 14:22 |
| obondarev | actially I understand Vijay concern with the stats | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | each n seconds | 14:22 |
| obondarev | not all plugin drivers will be using agent | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | yes, that was discussed | 14:23 |
| Vijay | still i didnt not understand the purpose of the "stats" function then | 14:23 |
| obondarev | so it's not good to establish periodic task in every plugin driver | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | but anyway it's better to separate rest call processing from actual communication with the device | 14:23 |
| obondarev | and it makes sense to run that task on the plugin side | 14:24 |
| obondarev | enikanorov: agree | 14:24 |
| obondarev | rest call will return stats from db | 14:24 |
| enikanorov | in fact it doesn't matter where to run stats collection | 14:24 |
| enikanorov | the only requirement should be that collecting stats should not be initiated by the rest call | 14:25 |
| enikanorov | so it gotta be automatic | 14:25 |
| Vijay | correct. i think the plugin should call the stats function periodically and it should reach the plugin driver which can return the stats and that can be stored by the plugin | 14:25 |
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| obondarev | I tend to agree with Vijay | 14:25 |
| enikanorov | i need to think about it. that doesn't seem obvious to me | 14:26 |
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| obondarev | ok we can discuss offline | 14:26 |
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| Vijay | ok. lets take it offline | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | i tend to disagree at the moment. | 14:27 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:27 |
| obondarev | :) | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov | #topic third-party testing | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov | any updates on third-party testing? | 14:27 |
| Vijay | as i said earlier we have setup ready, have to patch the tempest scenario test and run | 14:28 |
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| Vijay | There are some errors in import | 14:28 |
| Vijay | for tempest | 14:29 |
| Vijay | initially it complained could not import subunit is not present, now it is complaining about importing extras | 14:29 |
| Vijay | i see some bugs filed in tempest | 14:29 |
| evgenyf | We are working on setup and gerrit triggers | 14:29 |
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| enikanorov | are you saying you could not setup tempest? | 14:29 |
| Vijay | yes | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | does devstack fail to set it up for you? | 14:30 |
| Vijay | i clone devstack , stack.sh, then run_test.sh | 14:30 |
| Vijay | this is failing | 14:30 |
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| Vijay | with the import errors | 14:30 |
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| enikanorov | basically, what third-party test run should do: | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | it should clone devstack | 14:31 |
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| enikanorov | then create custon localrc, specifying git clone path to the patch on review | 14:31 |
| enikanorov | then ./stack.sh | 14:31 |
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| obondarev | run_tests.sh failed for me too for the first time, there were some gcc compilation errors when installing dependencies | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | localrc should have tempest enabled so /opt/stack/tempest have configured tempest ready to run | 14:32 |
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| obondarev | Vijay - is is smth you also faced? | 14:32 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: We tohught it may be long to setup devstack for each test. Checking the option to patch the same environment each time | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: please contact us if you have issues with setting up tempest | 14:32 |
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| evgenyf | enikanorov: I mean, tear dows, replace code, startup. What do you think? | 14:33 |
| enikanorov | evgenyf: i think it's better to test agains fresh code. everyhing can change | 14:33 |
| enikanorov | tempest, nova, neutron | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | each change can indentify some issue | 14:34 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: I mean to change all code. Just code, no configurations | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | also, I think it's necessary to do more than just post +1 or -1 back. I think authors should be able to see logs | 14:34 |
| enikanorov | evgenyf: right, the configuration should be the same | 14:35 |
| obondarev | I think unstack/stack should be enough | 14:35 |
| obondarev | with RECLONE=yes option in localrc | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | if you reclone repositories | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | right | 14:35 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: Anyhow , we will see if it's possible | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:36 |
| evgenyf | stack/unstack is heavy | 14:36 |
| Vijay | should we touchbase on the mailing list or IRC | 14:36 |
| Vijay | about the tempest seutp? | 14:36 |
| Vijay | I could not locate the bug right now. the fix was saying something like adding subunit to requirements.txt | 14:37 |
| Vijay | after i did that tempest passed one stage of errors | 14:37 |
| obondarev | again FYI today will be a separate irc meeting on third party testing on 22 UTC | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | ./stack takes 3 minutes on a VM with 4 gig on a modern server | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | it should be ok | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | Vijay: sure lets troubleshoot it later. | 14:38 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: ok | 14:38 |
| Vijay | 22 UTC not very convenient for India time :-( | 14:38 |
| Vijay | sure enikanorov | 14:38 |
| enikanorov | 22 utc is not convenient for me as well. are you refering to the meeting? | 14:39 |
| Vijay | yes | 14:39 |
| obondarev | yeah, they changed the time to let folks from japan and China join this time | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | i was not going to attend since it's too late | 14:39 |
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| Vijay | it is 3:30 am for me | 14:39 |
| Vijay | lets go ahead. i will get in touch with you eugene offline | 14:40 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:40 |
| Vijay | for resolving the tempest issue. Thanks! | 14:40 |
| obondarev | at least reading the logs tomorrow will be useful | 14:40 |
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| enikanorov | evgenyf: any update on L7 rules? | 14:40 |
| evgenyf | Avishay is on it and change is WIP | 14:41 |
| obondarev | left some comments on it today | 14:41 |
| evgenyf | Avishay is off today | 14:42 |
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| obondarev | the patch now contains only DB logic | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | can you send the link on the channel? I think i've missed it | 14:42 |
| obondarev | unless I missed smth | 14:42 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov | 14:42 |
| obondarev | sure | 14:42 |
| evgenyf | sorry, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61721/4 | 14:42 |
| evgenyf | Yes, It's not end2end yet | 14:43 |
| enikanorov | thanks | 14:44 |
| enikanorov | I'll review | 14:44 |
| Vijay | lets move to SSL? | 14:45 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: thank you | 14:45 |
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| evgenyf | Sure | 14:45 |
| evgenyf | I hope to commit later today | 14:45 |
| obondarev | is there smth on review regarding SSL? | 14:45 |
| evgenyf | Mark did not approve the concept yet because the security, will continue talking to him later | 14:46 |
| evgenyf | BTW, updated the WIKI page. | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | ok, good. | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | btw, I forgot an important announcement that we will not be keeping meeting on 12/26 and 01/02 | 14:48 |
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| Vijay | regarding passinfo, how are the info passed to servers? | 14:49 |
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| Vijay | ok. probably we can remove it from the spec then | 14:50 |
| evgenyf | I will remove | 14:50 |
| evgenyf | Vijay: your other commenst were applied | 14:50 |
| evgenyf | *comments | 14:51 |
| Vijay | thanks.!! So what stage the code is in? I mean what are you planning to submit? | 14:51 |
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| Vijay | did you say you are planning to submit the code for review later today? | 14:52 |
| evgenyf | Vijay: new extension called "ssl", new db layer for ssl, ssl api for lbaal plugin, some changes in utils, drivers, etc... | 14:52 |
| Vijay | wow! | 14:52 |
| Vijay | ok, looking forward | 14:52 |
| enikanorov | so it'll be a separate extension? | 14:52 |
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| enikanorov | ok, I'm looking forward as well | 14:53 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov:yes | 14:53 |
| Vijay | i have to leave now, anything else in the agenda? | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | not much | 14:53 |
| evgenyf | I'm looking forward too:) | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | obondarev: any update on hahahaproxy | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | ? | 14:54 |
| obondarev | ha ha | 14:54 |
| obondarev | started to work on the design | 14:54 |
| obondarev | and experimenting with devstack | 14:54 |
| obondarev | filed a bp | 14:54 |
| enikanorov | can you give a link to it? | 14:55 |
| obondarev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-ha-haproxy | 14:55 |
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| obondarev | BTW ha agents are ready for review | 14:56 |
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| obondarev | was struggling with random unit test failures last two days | 14:56 |
| obondarev | finally got it working | 14:57 |
| obondarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59743/ | 14:57 |
| s3wong | obondarev: please post the gerrit / review link | 14:57 |
| enikanorov | yeah... i was occupied with tempest and those bugs on the gate that i promised to look at | 14:57 |
| obondarev | remaining failures are related to bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1262613 | 14:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1262613 in tempest "tempest.scenario.test_cross_tenant_connectivity.TestNetworkCrossTenant.test_cross_tenant_traffic[compute,gate,network,smoke] failed" [Undecided,New] | 14:57 |
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| enikanorov | interesting that cross_tenant test is not working at all in my local setup | 14:58 |
| obondarev | BTW it's a tempest bug whick seems to have a fix on review already | 14:58 |
| enikanorov | yeah | 14:58 |
| enikanorov | they've discussed it in #openstack-qa like an hour ago | 14:58 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:58 |
| enikanorov | anything else left except of bana_'s question? | 14:58 |
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| enikanorov | I'd like to spend a minute on it | 14:58 |
| obondarev | I think we can go on with it on #neutron-lbaas | 14:59 |
| obondarev | bana_: does it work for you? | 14:59 |
| Vijay | ok. bye then. we have to syncup later on stats design. this would affect monitors tempest patch. | 14:59 |
| bana_ | yea was checking the code | 14:59 |
| enikanorov | Vijay: sure. | 14:59 |
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| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| obondarev | bana_: waiting for you on #neutron-lbaas | 15:00 |
| enikanorov | openstack: cmon! | 15:00 |
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| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| enikanorov | ok, openstack is sleeping, apparently | 15:02 |
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| obondarev | robot feels that have still uncovered topics on LBaaS | 15:04 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 17:00:24 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:00 |
| giulivo | me | 17:00 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | today's agenda: | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ok well let's get started | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | #topic Cancelling meetings for the rest of the year (mtreinish) | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cancelling meetings for the rest of the year (mtreinish) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| mtreinish | so I was planning on cancelling the meeting for the next 2 weeks | 17:02 |
| giulivo | indeed was asking the same thing, so we'd skip 2nd of jan too | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | so we'd pick up the meeting again starting the second week of Jan. | 17:02 |
| afazekas | ok | 17:02 |
| dkranz | ok | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah I'll be working the 2nd but it's a vacation time | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | so I think waiting a week is probably best | 17:03 |
| giulivo | yep same is from me too | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | #info next meeting is Jan. 9th at 2200UTC | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | ok that's nice and quick let's move on to the next topic | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: this is you | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | you've got a bunch there on the agenda | 17:04 |
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| giulivo | yeah I think I moved most in an usable state | 17:04 |
| giulivo | please triple check if you like but there are some which I'm asking for help | 17:05 |
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| sdague | giulivo: got a link of a particular view you like? | 17:05 |
| giulivo | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/multi-keystone-api-version-tests is one, is it okay to approve or shall we just run the tests authenticating using latest keystone api? | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: we want to use all api versions that get registered. | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | which is why we have both v1 and v2 for cinder and glance | 17:06 |
| giulivo | oh but that bp isn't about the tests, it is about how tempest should auth | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | until v2 is removed from keystone we'll need to test both | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: it's the same thing | 17:07 |
| andreaf | giulivo: indeed, things like tokens and tenant isolation | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | because it's still testing | 17:07 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: so how do you decide what yuo use for tenant isolation? | 17:07 |
| andreaf | atm tenant isolation is v2 only | 17:07 |
| sdague | because you do need to pick on that | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah it's only v2 right now | 17:07 |
| andreaf | sdague: I'd like to have that as config | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: +1 yeah we should make it configurable | 17:08 |
| giulivo | I'd +1 the config option too | 17:08 |
| andreaf | we can decide whether to have two runs or focus on the latest stable version | 17:08 |
| giulivo | so I'd approve and add that into the whiteboard, makes sense? | 17:08 |
| andreaf | I didn't start working on that bp yet, it will be next year | 17:09 |
| sdague | yep | 17:09 |
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| sdague | giulivo: +1 for approval | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah that's fine | 17:09 |
| giulivo | one more https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/refactor-rest-client , there is some actual work done | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: I'd argue that, what's been pushed out just adds some extra methods | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | but nothing is actually used | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | I've looked at this before and things are very different between xml and json that doing it that way doesn't save that much code | 17:10 |
| giulivo | so this is eventually obsoleted | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | if they want to work through it I'm not opposed to it. But, it feels like effort could be better spent on something else | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | and there won't be any great code deduplication in the end | 17:11 |
| giulivo | ok next is this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/swift-test-without-keystone , do we at all want components to be testable like this? | 17:12 |
| 43UAACPJ0 | mtreinish: We should make sure they understand what you do | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | 43UAACPJ0? that's you dkranz | 17:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That strange number was me | 17:12 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I have been having strange irc problems and am using the web client | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: I think that one is fine, Swift is somewhat more common by itself. I'm not sure it makes sense for the other projects though | 17:14 |
| afazekas | giulivo: if we would like , probably we will need an additional tempauth job on keystone and tempest and on devstack | 17:14 |
| notmyname | mtreinish: ? | 17:14 |
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| afazekas | if we would like , probably we will need an additional tempauth job on swift and tempest and on devstack | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | notmyname: swift testing in tempest without keystone | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | there is a bp up for review on that | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: I think the bigger question is does that fit in tempest | 17:15 |
| notmyname | let me know if you have any questions on that from the swift side of things | 17:16 |
| sdague | so I'm pretty mixed on that at this point, because the review is a ton of ifdefing | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | because tempest is about integration testing | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ok, I haven't looked at the review | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | notmyname: thanks, will do | 17:16 |
| sdague | and, as mtreinish says, tempest is about integration testing. | 17:16 |
| giulivo | FWIW, I'm more on the side of a "no that doesn't go into tempest" except as thirdparty maybe | 17:16 |
| dkranz | sdague: If they really want to do this maybe a fake keystone would be better than ifdefs? | 17:17 |
| giulivo | I think it's probably more appropriate to put standalone tests in the swift project | 17:17 |
| sdague | giulivo: right, agreed | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah that makes sense | 17:17 |
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| sdague | if the tests don't need any other open stack services, it's not really clear to me why it would be in tempest vs. just in a swift project | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: There is still the goal of api stability by tempest | 17:18 |
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| afazekas | sdague: double checked API stability ? | 17:18 |
| dkranz | sdague: It's not just about integration | 17:18 |
| notmyname | sdague: because a test for an openstack project would be in tempest? how is "because this functionality doesn't cut cross projects, remove it from tempest" a thing? | 17:19 |
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| dkranz | notmyname: It's not | 17:19 |
| notmyname | good :-) | 17:19 |
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| notmyname | that not what I understood from sdague's comment | 17:20 |
| sdague | notmyname: it's more about the extra overhead of maintaining a mode of "I don't want to use other openstack services" | 17:20 |
| dstanek | this is very similar to our goal of moving some of the keystoneclient tests into tempest | 17:20 |
| dstanek | making sure keystone in master doesn't break old clients | 17:20 |
| notmyname | sdague: I think it's more about isolating test failures to the lowest set of variables | 17:21 |
| dkranz | notmyname: What sdague just said is the real root of the matter. swift is the only project that does not use keystone as a matter of course | 17:21 |
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| giulivo | dstanek, there is a blueprint for that though, as that is a problem shared with clients of other components | 17:21 |
| notmyname | dkranz: keystone is a supported, official, upstream option for auth. it doesn't use or not use keystone more than any other option | 17:22 |
| sdague | notmyname: so then why does it matter if we test with keystone? | 17:22 |
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| sdague | is this really a gate question? | 17:23 |
| dkranz | notmyname: Doesn't swift already have a job with functional tests that are not in tempest but are "real"? | 17:23 |
| notmyname | I've not been part of this discussion to date. it seems the advantage of using tempauth is to have less dependencies for testing and thus isolate failures. but testing with keystone is vital and should never be removed. isn't the question on using non-keystone tests? | 17:23 |
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| notmyname | dkranz: yes, we have a set of functional tests in the codebase | 17:24 |
| dkranz | notmyname: So why not put this case there? | 17:24 |
| notmyname | dkranz: auth integration is a pluggable mechanisms with a standard API. it shouldn't matter which you use. but FWIW, we aren't testing keystone in our functional tests | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | notmyname: At the end of the day, all of tempest is really more like a smoke test. It is never going to test everything or every deployment configuration. | 17:25 |
| dkranz | We are already testing swift with keystone. | 17:26 |
| dkranz | Perhaps we should take this to the ml? | 17:26 |
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| sdague | so honestly, right now, I'd rather not take the complexity here to make tempest function without auth, especially as we have tons of things we need in the cycle. | 17:26 |
| sdague | sure | 17:26 |
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| notmyname | so this is a new discussion to me. I'm not sure really what the arguments are, if any, or even what the options are | 17:27 |
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| sdague | notmyname: first I saw of it was yesterday when I was reviewing code :) | 17:27 |
| sdague | so it's pretty new to me as well | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | notmyname: this is the first time I've seen it too | 17:27 |
| giulivo | let's continue after the meeting | 17:27 |
| giulivo | I've a couple more bps | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | ok, giulivo are they any other blueprints | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we'll move on | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: ok | 17:28 |
| giulivo | this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/keystoneclient-api isn't really clear in scope to me | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: there was a summit session about that | 17:28 |
| giulivo | auch, I missed it indeed :( | 17:28 |
| giulivo | approved | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | no I don't think it was | 17:29 |
| sdague | is bknudson about | 17:29 |
| sdague | he and I were talking about this one the other day | 17:29 |
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| giulivo | and what is the correct status for this then? approved but discussing? | 17:30 |
| sdague | giulivo: so I think on something like this, can you flag that we need someone to show at the meeting to talk about it | 17:30 |
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| sdague | giulivo: honestly, I don't think approved in current state | 17:30 |
| giulivo | make sense, last one | 17:30 |
| sdague | it needs some cleanup based on follow up conversations to make sure we got to the same page | 17:30 |
| dstanek | giulivo: i think there are two things i've heard in regards to client testing | 17:30 |
| dstanek | one is that we want to make sure that the api of the client doesn't break (not just the rest api of the server) | 17:31 |
| giulivo | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/fail-gate-on-log-errors I think we need to figure if it's worth closing it and in that case how to track "failures" which should be fixed by devs, which was a valid concern from dkranz | 17:31 |
| dstanek | the other is that we currently have a set of tests in keystone that get run against different client versions | 17:32 |
| dstanek | the test actually checks out older releases of the client to run the tests | 17:32 |
| sdague | dstanek: so we've been over that one on the ML already as well. The reason keystone had a break here was the fact that they didn't test the rest api in question | 17:32 |
| dkranz | giulivo: There is no reason for this to stay open except for possible "pr" value | 17:32 |
| sdague | dstanek: right, and that's a different discussion about job setup | 17:32 |
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| sdague | giulivo: I'd close https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/fail-gate-on-log-errors as done | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: ok, is that it for blueprints then? | 17:33 |
| andreaf | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/input-scenarios-for-scenario | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: that's approved | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | so let's move on since we spent a lot of time on this topic | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:35 |
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| giulivo | yeah sorry about that but I thought was worth it | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | sdague: this has your name on it | 17:35 |
| sdague | yep | 17:35 |
| sdague | so we managed to get down to 73 bugs. Looks like we are back up to 89 now. | 17:35 |
| sdague | most of those new bugs aren't tempest bugs, per usual, people just dumping a random stacktrace and calling it a tempest bug | 17:36 |
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| sdague | so the policy we ended up taking was marking those invalid for tempest, and if there was moderate debug in it, putting it to the right project | 17:36 |
| sdague | I still owe writing up our policy there... it's on my list | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok, that's what I normally do when I come across those bugs | 17:37 |
| sdague | but I'd also like to see if we can stay on top of new bugs and get them cleared out | 17:37 |
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| adalbas | sdague, i was gathering a few thoughts on that since the bug triage too | 17:37 |
| adalbas | i ll send them over to you | 17:37 |
| andreaf | sorry I lost connectivity to my workstation | 17:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61850/ was just approved which should help people diagnose | 17:37 |
| dkranz | and figure out which project is at fault | 17:38 |
| sdague | cool | 17:38 |
| dkranz | sdague: I will post to the ml about it | 17:38 |
| sdague | starting in the new year I'd also like to do a review of all Critical and High bugs in this meeting as a standing issue | 17:38 |
| sdague | we should be working to actually close those out | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | sdague: +1 that's a good idea | 17:39 |
| sdague | that's about it from me on that | 17:39 |
| adalbas | +1 | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ok | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | then let's go to the next topic | 17:39 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: about bp above, I just wanted to say reviews are welcome :) | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | so mlavalle said he can't make it | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | but he said that his api gap analysis is making progress and he's almost done | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | and that there have been volunteers who have started working on the testing to fill the gaps | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | I haven't been watching this too closely the past week | 17:41 |
| sdague | anyone else planning to go to montreal besides mtreinish and I? | 17:41 |
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| afazekas | What kind of additional 'debug' should be done at SSHTimout exception in order to solve this kind of issues sooner https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1253896 ? | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I guess it'll just be us | 17:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress] | 17:42 |
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| sdague | afazekas: I think you need to ask the neutron folks on that. I know they've solved 5 races so far working on that bug | 17:43 |
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| salv-orlando | We have patches in review that *at least in my env* improve a lot the situation. Those patches are the same that are being worked on for improving parallel testing | 17:43 |
| afazekas | We could dump the ovsdb , we could try to make an ssh connection with openssh instead of paramkio, we can try to make connection inside the ns, we can print the vm console | 17:43 |
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| salv-orlando | also, we have another patch from marun that solves another root cause of bug 1253896 pertaining a problem with notification to the dhcp agebt | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok cool | 17:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253896 | 17:44 |
| afazekas | Attach any type of debuger to anything :) | 17:44 |
| andreaf | ssh connection is really testing key injection | 17:44 |
| andreaf | to check the network pluming is in place ping should be good enough | 17:45 |
| salv-orlando | actually just ovs-vsctl list Interface and ovs-vsctl list Port would do a lot | 17:45 |
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| afazekas | we can try to make second attempt with the built in cirros password, to make sure not just the key missing | 17:45 |
| marun | andreaf: disagree | 17:46 |
| salv-orlando | andreaf: the thing is that there are several places in which the plumbing might not have worked that a ping is not enough to perform a diagnosis. | 17:46 |
| marun | no guarantee we are pinging the right thing | 17:46 |
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| afazekas | marun: agreed | 17:46 |
| dkranz | marun: Indeed. I had this issue in practice, resolving to the wrong machine | 17:46 |
| sdague | right neutron is clever enough in ports, that we need to actually know we are talking to the right guest | 17:46 |
| salv-orlando | namely: floating IP wiring, router interface wiring, VIF port wiring, DHCP port wiring, dnsmasq configuration, timing of DHCPDISCOVER messages, and not last, security filters | 17:46 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: so from a tempest perspecitive ovs commands aren't really things we can/should be driving | 17:47 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: I think either I or marun can do that | 17:47 |
| sdague | if there was a neutron debug api that did that and gave us results, that would be cool | 17:47 |
| sdague | tempest really needs to only hit REST apis | 17:48 |
| marun | sdague: not at the top of the list, but usable health-checks available via rest is on it | 17:48 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: I was thinking of adding this information to the dump of low-level information tempest already does (namespace and iptables) | 17:48 |
| andreaf | marun: salv-orlando: I'm not saying we should skip ssh completely, but we could split into ping first and ssh than, or telnet to port 22 and ssh then | 17:48 |
| marun | andreaf: we already do that | 17:48 |
| andreaf | to help debugging issues | 17:48 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: yeh, so that's sort of an ugly work around that we really want to be removing | 17:48 |
| salv-orlando | andreaf: test_network_basic_ops already works this way | 17:48 |
| sdague | because it only works in the single node case | 17:48 |
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| afazekas | sdague: On failure we can and should do more on the gate, but the normal test run should not be broken, just because some internal thing is changed | 17:49 |
| andreaf | marun: ok sorry I've not followed closely enough | 17:49 |
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| salv-orlando | sdague: np, I also am working on having tempest report the operational status for the various bits which might impact a failure. This will tell us at least what's not wired. I just wish we had a way to gather whether the VM received the IP or not. | 17:49 |
| marun | andreaf: it's been there since may iirc. previously we just pinged, but it became apparent that it didn't guarantee anything so ping, then ssh has been the rule since. | 17:49 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: can we get it out of the nova-console? | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: yeah that should be on the console log | 17:50 |
| afazekas | salv-orlando: we can ask the vm to run an user-data script, and print info into the serial console | 17:50 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: yeah, I forgot we can access the text consol | 17:50 |
| salv-orlando | e | 17:50 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: is that capability something that could be added to cloud-init? | 17:50 |
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| sdague | but the vm should already dump that stuff in the console | 17:51 |
| marun | sdague: it does | 17:51 |
| marun | sdague: at least for a cirros image we should be able to parse console.log | 17:51 |
| salv-orlando | ok, so this is sorted. We just need to access the console log. | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | ok, I ahte to cut things short, here but we're running out of time | 17:51 |
| sdague | right, there's an API for that | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | so we can pick this up after the meeting | 17:51 |
| sdague | yep | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #topic On new tests tracking (plus and cons of wiki/etherpad/blueprint) (gfidente) | 17:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On new tests tracking (plus and cons of wiki/etherpad/blueprint) (gfidente) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:52 | |
| dkranz | sdague: One last thing can we get a push on the network scenarios of Yair Fried? | 17:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, I went through a bunch of them yesterday | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | ok giulivo in 8 min :) | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I'll try to take a look at them soon too | 17:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: Me too, but there are a lot, which is good | 17:52 |
| dkranz | next | 17:52 |
| giulivo | I'm not sure this is quick, but basically, I noticed heat people did a pretty good job at creating blueprints for different test cases | 17:53 |
| giulivo | and configure dependencies accordingly as they use blueprints to track progresses and assignments | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: we can save it for the next meeting if you'd prefer | 17:53 |
| giulivo | now, that is different from random blueprints asking for new tests | 17:53 |
| bknudson | sdague: what's up? | 17:53 |
| giulivo | mtreinish, let me finish so people can start making up an idea | 17:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We need to resolve this issue now because there is going to be an incoming of heat tests | 17:53 |
| giulivo | and maybe rediscuss next week | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: ok | 17:54 |
| sdague | giulivo: well, next week is 3 weeks :) | 17:54 |
| dkranz | next two meetings were cancelled | 17:54 |
| giulivo | so my intermediate proposal is "one blueprint, per project, per release" | 17:54 |
| giulivo | but that could make everyone unhappy, so I can't bet on it | 17:54 |
| sdague | giulivo: +1 on that for now | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: yeah that's fine | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | the blueprint can be divided with work items and in the description | 17:54 |
| dkranz | +1 | 17:54 |
| sdague | until we get storyboard, I think the artifact overhead is too much on lp | 17:54 |
| giulivo | and if they're willing to manage ? | 17:55 |
| giulivo | (their own?) | 17:55 |
| sdague | giulivo: we need to manage them as well | 17:55 |
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| sdague | if they are tempest blueprints | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Using bugs withing their project as another idea | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I think we should say that any mechanism other than multiple blueprints in tempest, or using tempest bugs, is ok | 17:56 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, I just don't want to invest much in this system, because I hate launchpad so much :) | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: well that was pretty quick :) | 17:57 |
| sdague | last thing then | 17:57 |
| giulivo | lucky you | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | yep | 17:57 |
| giulivo | :) | 17:57 |
| sdague | holidays are coming up, and I know folks will be out | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:57 | |
| sdague | so if people could take an extra hour or two before leaving and look at the queue | 17:57 |
| sdague | it's grown a bit in the last couple of weeks | 17:57 |
| sdague | and a lot of it is pretty straight forward stuff to get in | 17:58 |
| sdague | we're currently at 122 open reviews | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I plan to do that today (my last day working) | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | well with a min left I don't think there's really enough time to talk about any specific reviews | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | so let's just end here | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 17:59:48 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-19-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-19-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-19-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 18:00:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | Hi OSSG! | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| sriramhere | Hi there - Sriram Here! | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | I'm here, though somewhat busy :) | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | anyone else here with us today? | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | ok, perhaps people are already on holiday :-) | 18:02 |
| sriramhere | :) | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | anything in particular that you guys want to discuss today? | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I just have a few quick notes | 18:03 |
| sriramhere | Just wanted to update that I couldn't get hold of Ben yet. Will try again tonight. | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | so perhaps we'll make this a shortish meeting | 18:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | oh hi! | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Quick Notes | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | So Rob and I will be talking about openstack security on this podcast today http://www.virtualizationpractice.com/resources/virtualization-security-podcast/ | 18:04 |
| sriramhere | sweet! | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | might be interesting | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | we'll see ;-) | 18:04 |
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| sriramhere | anyone can join? | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | In other news, sounds like sriramhere and company are pushing ahead with organizing the book work | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | If by join, you mean listen to the podcast? yes. | 18:06 |
| bknudson | what aspects of security? | 18:06 |
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| sriramhere | yes, to listen. And yes, on editing the book | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | we'll be talking about what it takes to setup an openstack cloud securely | 18:07 |
| sriramhere | Ben being in Aus is making it difficult to get hold of him. Worrst case will do via email | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | the kind of stuff that's in the book, I suspect | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | email is probably good, tbh | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | phone is hard with so many timezones | 18:07 |
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| sriramhere | yes, agreed. | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | #topic Holiday Schedule | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | I propose that we skip meetings for the next 2 weeks | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | So we would resume on Jan 9th | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | that work with everyone? | 18:08 |
| paulmo | Yep | 18:08 |
| bknudson | works for me | 18:09 |
| sriramhere | ok works. but it would be good to know who's available to respond on emails. | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | I'll be on email, but might be a bit slower than usual to respond | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | fwiw | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | I'll be in front of my email most of the time | 18:09 |
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| sriramhere | ha ha . I will be available next week. | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | Anything else that people would like to discuss? | 18:10 |
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| paulmo | If anyone is interested, here is a Solum security wiki that I'm working on: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/SecurityRequirements | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | paulmo nice | 18:12 |
| bknudson | paulmo: nice! | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting stuff :) | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | is there anything that this community can do to help with all of that? | 18:12 |
| paulmo | Trying to capture guidelines that can cross project and have that column marked "OSSG Applicable" to indicate which ones that might be. | 18:13 |
| paulmo | Nkinder expressed interest in using some of these requirements in the OSSG document he is working on. | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | ah, makes sense | 18:13 |
| paulmo | So I think I'm good for now but I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions. :) | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | yeah, sounds good | 18:13 |
| paulmo | Minor feature but useful in gerrit reviews is the ability to link to a specific topic like: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/SecurityRequirements#config_git_pull | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | ok, looks like that's about all for today | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | and we'll see you on Jan 9th | 18:15 |
| sriramhere | thanks, happy holidays! | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:16 |
| nkinder | guess I didn't miss much then :) | 18:16 |
| paulmo | Thanks, have a good break! | 18:16 |
| nkinder | happy holidays! | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 18:16:28 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-19-18.00.html | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-19-18.00.txt | 18:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-19-18.00.log.html | 18:16 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 20:00:17 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi folks! | 20:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:00 |
| jd__ | (is there an agenda?) | 20:00 |
| harlowja | not to much to talk about but ya, just basic stuff i guess this time | 20:01 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:01 |
| jd__ | thanks! | 20:01 |
| harlowja | think most people are either getting on xmas vacation, or heads down | 20:02 |
| harlowja | might be really short if not to many others, ha | 20:02 |
| jd__ | hehe I admit I'm here by chance, I didn't even know there was this meeting, but that sounds interesting | 20:02 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:02 |
| harlowja | jd__ u so sneaky | 20:03 |
| jd__ | lol | 20:03 |
| jd__ | oh oh don't all you speak at the same time I'm having a hard time following | 20:03 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | lol | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items-from-last-time | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action-items-from-last-time (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:04 | |
| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-12-20.00.html | 20:04 |
| harlowja | so i really did catch up with boris this time | 20:04 |
| harlowja | and think boris and team are still sorting things out on there end, but still interest in getting more involvement in taskflow | 20:04 |
| harlowja | right boris-42 :-P | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | and i also did track some folk down for work listed @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowIcehouseWhoWhatWhereWhy | 20:05 |
| harlowja | anastsia got her cinder patch in, so thats superduper | 20:05 |
| harlowja | folks that i tracked down should have reviews up soon (or thats what they said, ha) | 20:06 |
| * harlowja i didn't though add stuff to the mind-shift page | 20:06 | |
| harlowja | oops, bad me | 20:06 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow#Mind-shifts | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | #action really add jobboard stuff to mind-shift page | 20:07 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja really add jobboard stuff to mind-shift page | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | and that was my stuff, haha, if nobody else around then i guess we can skip :-P | 20:07 |
| harlowja | jd__ what action items did u complete, haha | 20:07 |
| jd__ | I approved the first patch on tooz! | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ohh, is it in? | 20:08 |
| jd__ | it is! | 20:08 |
| harlowja | nice | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | coolness | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | #link https://github.com/stackforge/tooz for folks | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | very cool | 20:08 |
| harlowja | jd__ hopefully we can figure out how to share that zk stuff, not exactly sure how yet, hopefully not copy/paste | 20:09 |
| harlowja | *zk/kazoo stuffs | 20:09 |
| jd__ | yassine's working on that, so feel free to hint him | 20:09 |
| harlowja | k | 20:09 |
| jd__ | that's his next patch AFAIK | 20:09 |
| harlowja | nice | 20:10 |
| harlowja | hard to tell where that kind of shared testing library shoud/would go | 20:10 |
| harlowja | *should | 20:10 |
| harlowja | #topic integration | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:10 | |
| harlowja | so just a quick summary of the intergration that i am aware of | 20:11 |
| jd__ | (harlowja: maybe build that as a lib on PyPI?) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | jd__ ya i was thinking that too | 20:11 |
| harlowja | tinylib though, ha | 20:11 |
| jd__ | there's no size policy! | 20:11 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | so integration, nova snapshot case seems to be getting good work, hopefully something to show there soon | 20:12 |
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| jd__ | nice | 20:12 |
| harlowja | nova terminate case, i am working through the thinking/writing up stage and seeing how it alll works | 20:12 |
| yassine | A lib on PyPi sounds cool :) | 20:12 |
| harlowja | cinder create_volume move to 0.1.1 taskflow library done, think anatasia has a couple follow-up changes | 20:12 |
| harlowja | yassine agreed | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | a few other cinder refactoring flows should showup soon (or i was told) | 20:13 |
| haruka | btw, taskflow has persistence system. | 20:13 |
| haruka | How about create volume 0.1.1? | 20:13 |
| harlowja | haruka is the question about persistence + create_volume? | 20:13 |
| haruka | yes | 20:13 |
| harlowja | so ya, thats an interesting area that i don't think anastasia has touched yet | 20:14 |
| harlowja | it'd be interesting to see where we can take that | 20:14 |
| haruka | ok | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | the initial work by her was to just get rid of the taskflow copy/paste code (like oslo) and move to library instead | 20:14 |
| haruka | ok. I've got. | 20:15 |
| harlowja | haruka i do agree we should start the conversations around the persistence work and using it | 20:15 |
| haruka | :-) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | since it offers some nice stuff (when used correctly) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | like spiderman, taskflow with great power comes great responsiblity (or something, haha) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | haruka let me see if i can find some time to write down some notes about this, maybe u'd & anatasia & others would be interested to | 20:16 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja start brainstorm about using taskflow persistence model in cinder | 20:16 |
| haruka | oh thank you. | 20:17 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:17 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja work with yassine to create minilib for zk like stuff on pypi (name TBD) | 20:17 |
| harlowja | *zk+kazoo stuff | 20:18 |
| harlowja | k, lets see what else | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discuss (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:19 | |
| harlowja | anything to talk about otherwise, nice short meeting if not :-P | 20:20 |
| harlowja | i do like the short-meetings, ha | 20:20 |
| harlowja | btw, for other integration stuff, feel free to modify/adjust https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowIcehouseWhoWhatWhereWhy | 20:20 |
| harlowja | since its hard to track via BP this kind of work | 20:20 |
| harlowja | *BP == blueprint | 20:22 |
| harlowja | (sometimes i forget what BP stands for, haha) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | ok, short meeting then i think :) | 20:23 |
| harlowja | clooosing in 3 | 20:23 |
| harlowja | 2 | 20:24 |
| harlowja | 1 | 20:24 |
| harlowja | 0 | 20:25 |
| harlowja | poof | 20:25 |
| harlowja | thanks for coming folks | 20:25 |
| haruka | thank you. bye | 20:25 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:25 |
| harlowja | always findable in #openstack-state-management | 20:25 |
| harlowja | *usually findable | 20:25 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "third-party testing (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 20:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 20:25:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-19-20.00.html | 20:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-19-20.00.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-19-20.00.log.html | 20:26 |
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| yassine | harlowja, jd_ suggested Zake for Fake ZooKeeper, sounds great no ? :D | 20:36 |
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| russellb | meeting time! | 21:00 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 21:00:32 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | \o | 21:01 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| hartsocks | \o | 21:01 |
| russellb | #topic general | 21:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "general (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| russellb | first, a meeting about meetings | 21:01 |
| russellb | let's skip next week, i'm sure many people will be out anyway | 21:01 |
| russellb | once we get back, we'll start a new schedule where we alternate each week | 21:01 |
| russellb | hoping to offer more people a chance to join in every other week | 21:01 |
| russellb | wiki page has the times | 21:02 |
| russellb | we'll do 2100 UTC when we first start back | 21:02 |
| russellb | then 1400 UTC after that, then alternate | 21:02 |
| russellb | we'll see how it goes ... | 21:02 |
| russellb | alternative approach as suggested by ttx is to keep this every week, and occasionally (monthly?) hold other time slots to check in with other time zones | 21:02 |
| russellb | but seems a number of folks are happy to try the alternating bit first | 21:02 |
| russellb | that was the only general thing, on to the real stuff | 21:03 |
| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sub-teams (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| * hartsocks waves | 21:03 | |
| n0ano | o/ scheduler | 21:03 |
| russellb | melwitt had a conflict, but sent this for novaclient | 21:03 |
| russellb | <melwitt> open bugs, 122 !fix released, 78 !fix committed and !fix released | 21:04 |
| russellb | <melwitt> 20 new bugs | 21:04 |
| russellb | <melwitt> 0 high bugs | 21:04 |
| russellb | <melwitt> 46 patches up, 6 WIP, increasing activity, number of patches continually increasing | 21:04 |
| russellb | so, new bug count steady, but a growing review queue | 21:04 |
| russellb | so, don't forget to take a look at those when doing nova reviews | 21:04 |
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| russellb | n0ano: you're up | 21:04 |
| n0ano | no_db scheduler - got slowed down by devstack failure, that should be resolved and they can make some more progress soon... | 21:05 |
| russellb | cool, haven't had a chance to look at those patches yet myself | 21:06 |
| n0ano | gantt (code forklift) - new tree up, I'm in the process of trying to get it to pass Jenkins so we can actually submit patches (lots of detailed name changes to go throught) | 21:06 |
| russellb | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/gantt | 21:06 |
| russellb | n0ano: so one thing we could do is switch all jobs to non-voting | 21:06 |
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| russellb | while we work to land a series of changes to get jobs to pass | 21:06 |
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| russellb | instead of having to do one giant "make it work" commit | 21:06 |
| russellb | if "make it work" is getting really big anyway | 21:07 |
| n0ano | russellb, yeah but I'd at least like to get things like tox -epep8 to work first | 21:07 |
| russellb | "make it pass" i mean | 21:07 |
| russellb | not necessarily work | 21:07 |
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| n0ano | anyway, going forward my idea is I'll keep the gantt tree in sync with any scheduler changes to the nova tree, hopefully not too many changes until we can cut over | 21:08 |
| russellb | related: please add openstack/gantt to your review queue queries. right now gantt-core == nova-core + lifeless | 21:08 |
| russellb | since he was helping bootstrap the thing | 21:08 |
| russellb | n0ano: great | 21:08 |
| lifeless | russellb: ack, think it's there already but I'll double check | 21:08 |
| russellb | we're going to have to revisit the deprecation plan once it's working | 21:09 |
| russellb | we sort of punted that discussion on openstack-dev | 21:09 |
| russellb | pending it working | 21:09 |
| lifeless | as soon as gantt is passing tests I'm going to ping the list and the volunteers to do the actual work | 21:09 |
| russellb | cool | 21:09 |
| n0ano | my goal is to get it working as soon as possible, then we can start some serious discussions about futures | 21:09 |
| russellb | though making the repo and getting all the tests to pass is quite a bit of actual work itself :) | 21:09 |
| russellb | but probably mostly a one person thing for now | 21:09 |
| russellb | or a small group anyway | 21:10 |
| russellb | n0ano: sounds great to me | 21:10 |
| * n0ano is getting exhausted already :-) | 21:10 | |
| russellb | hope you're having some fun though | 21:10 |
| russellb | it's exciting bootstrapping something new | 21:10 |
| n0ano | that's about it for now, we've cancelled the next 2 meetings, start up again in Jan. | 21:10 |
| * n0ano fun, yeah that's it, fun | 21:10 | |
| russellb | alright, thanks! | 21:11 |
| russellb | let me know what i can do along the way | 21:11 |
| russellb | hartsocks: you're up | 21:11 |
| hartsocks | hey | 21:11 |
| hartsocks | Just wanted to update on the Minesweeper. | 21:11 |
| russellb | ooh | 21:11 |
| hartsocks | We're still on track for Jan 26th | 21:11 |
| russellb | still love that name | 21:11 |
| russellb | on track for? | 21:11 |
| russellb | running against all changes? | 21:12 |
| hartsocks | Our current plan is to have the Minesweeper vote +1 and 0 | 21:12 |
| hartsocks | on changes in our driver dir and above. | 21:12 |
| jog0 | above? | 21:12 |
| hartsocks | So that's all patches except for patches affecting the other hypervisors. | 21:12 |
| jog0 | neato | 21:12 |
| hartsocks | Yeah. So since in the tree the other hypervisors are siblings… you know… test all above and around. | 21:13 |
| russellb | so ... everything except something that only changes nova/virt/someotherdriver/*.py (and tests) ? | 21:13 |
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| hartsocks | yeah. Not sure how we *could* test that. | 21:13 |
| russellb | it's just like changing anything else | 21:13 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:13 |
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| russellb | testing anything else i mean | 21:13 |
| dansmith | yeah, it's just a patch that you run and make sure everything is cool | 21:13 |
| russellb | you're just running against that state of the nova tree | 21:13 |
| hartsocks | right. | 21:14 |
| dansmith | we've had cross-driver dependent code before, which isn't cool, but... | 21:14 |
| hartsocks | So the current logic is, if it only touches the other drivers then we're not going to be interested… or qualified to test it anyway. | 21:14 |
| dansmith | and the logic should be: it's a patch against nova, so you run your tests against it | 21:15 |
| russellb | another benefit ... running tests more often helps find bugs that only surface some of the time | 21:15 |
| dansmith | if it only changes virt/libvirt code, then it should pass | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | Well, we wouldn't be exercising a libvirt patch anyhow. | 21:15 |
| dansmith | right | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | It would just be a noop. | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yep | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | So we're ignoring them. | 21:15 |
| russellb | noop in a perfect world | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | But… | 21:15 |
| russellb | in the gate world today, we're running "no-ops" over and over and over, but we find bugs that way | 21:16 |
| hartsocks | if it touches libvirt *and* some other code in the tree outside that… then yeah we have to test. | 21:16 |
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| russellb | if it's a matter of you can keep up without those changes, but can keep up filtering them out, that may be OK short-term | 21:16 |
| russellb | long term, running against everything seems best overall | 21:17 |
| russellb | i didn't say that right | 21:17 |
| hartsocks | Okay. This is why I wanted to bring it up. It didn't seem right to have Minesweeper voting on other hypervisors since it can't really say anything about them anyway. | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | it absolutely should be voting on every patch, IMHO | 21:17 |
| russellb | sure, and i appreciate it | 21:17 |
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| russellb | just trying to share feedback | 21:17 |
| hartsocks | I'll push the feeback back to the testing guys. | 21:17 |
| dansmith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/DeprecationPlan | 21:17 |
| russellb | you guys are still ahead of the pack on all of this :) | 21:17 |
| jog0 | ++ to vote on all patches but babysteps are good too | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | says: " feedback is being reported on every proposed change to nova," | 21:18 |
| russellb | jog0: ++ | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | our testing guys rock and I'm honored to be their receptionist in IRC. | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | :-) | 21:18 |
| russellb | heh | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | The other bit I *might mention is* | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/vmware-api | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | But that's a longer discussion and not really necessarily for IceHouse. | 21:19 |
| hartsocks | That's all I wanted to bring up this session. | 21:19 |
| russellb | so here's a question | 21:19 |
| russellb | would this vmware python library be useful outside of openstack? | 21:19 |
| russellb | or do you really see it as openstack specific | 21:19 |
| russellb | just something to think about WRT that blueprint | 21:20 |
| lifeless | how many machines did you end up needing to keep up? | 21:20 |
| hartsocks | That *is* a good question… *and* what we *should* be contributing is only the bits useful for OpenStack. | 21:20 |
| lifeless | thats useful data for other orgs, I think | 21:20 |
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| hartsocks | lifeless: I don't have that stat in front of me, it changed recently. | 21:21 |
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| hartsocks | lifeless: I can tell you we "burned out" one set of older infrastructure and had to move to new machines. | 21:21 |
| lifeless | hartsocks: I'd like to know how far off the estimates in https://etherpad.openstack.org/tripleo-test-cluster are basically | 21:21 |
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| russellb | 10s of servers? 100s? | 21:22 |
| hartsocks | lifeless: and I'll deliver a message to the testing guys about that :-) | 21:22 |
| lifeless | hartsocks: thanks! | 21:22 |
| hartsocks | russellb: part of it is in an internal IaaS thing that makes that hard to answer. | 21:22 |
| russellb | heh, anyway, yeah, would love to know more if you can share | 21:22 |
| russellb | fair enough | 21:22 |
| russellb | ah, it's like you're using a cloud for what it's good for | 21:23 |
| hartsocks | russellb: yep. | 21:23 |
| russellb | alright, i think that was all the sub-teams that raised hands | 21:23 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:23 | |
| lifeless | russellb: the estimates I have are ~20 concurrent vm's for an exact devstack-gate setup, which is to say 60 cores, 320GB of RAM. mumble. | 21:23 |
| lifeless | oh, my fav topic | 21:23 |
| lifeless | so I started the thread | 21:23 |
| russellb | lifeless: cool | 21:23 |
| lifeless | it seemed to peter out | 21:23 |
| russellb | definition of triage? | 21:23 |
| lifeless | yeah, you asked the q in there that the other thread was about | 21:24 |
| lifeless | so I answered it there | 21:24 |
| russellb | was there another thread too that i missed? | 21:24 |
| lifeless | no | 21:24 |
| russellb | ok | 21:24 |
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| russellb | guess i need to take another look | 21:25 |
| russellb | so, we have 8 critical bugs open right now for gate issues | 21:25 |
| russellb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 21:25 |
| russellb | could really use some more eyes on these things | 21:25 |
| russellb | we need to help improve reliability, as it's been a little rough lately | 21:25 |
| russellb | notmyname came up with a nice graph that shows probability of patches to pass the gate ... http://not.mn/gate_status.html | 21:26 |
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| russellb | just to help demonstrate the importance of looking at these bugs | 21:26 |
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| jog0 | russellb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1253896 | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress] | 21:26 |
| russellb | not *all* of that is openstack bugs .... some of it is external events (sphinx API, etc) | 21:26 |
| jog0 | is a msassive one | 21:26 |
| russellb | is it just with neutron? | 21:27 |
| russellb | not trying to pass it off on the neutron team | 21:27 |
| jog0 | no, confirming now though | 21:27 |
| jog0 | AFAIK it was a nova-network issue | 21:27 |
| russellb | ok | 21:27 |
| jog0 | hmm it my be neutron | 21:27 |
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| jog0 | yeah its neutron. but neutron == nuetron+nova | 21:28 |
| russellb | has anyone set up an env to reproduce? | 21:28 |
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| russellb | right | 21:28 |
| russellb | i'd like a devstack VM I can log in to, run the test that triggers it over and over and see it happen | 21:28 |
| sdague | the neutron team has been banging on that one a lot | 21:28 |
| russellb | and then poke at the env | 21:28 |
| russellb | i know i could make that, just haven't yet :) | 21:29 |
| sdague | they found a bunch of races, which made it better, but there are still issues falling out | 21:29 |
| russellb | sorry, looking at it | 21:30 |
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| russellb | well, if anyone has some time to put in, eyes on that one seems to be the most important | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. we've found and fixed a bunch of other items while digging into this one | 21:31 |
| russellb | markmcclain: nice | 21:31 |
| jog0 | markmcclain: any nova patches from neutron folks we need to look at | 21:31 |
| russellb | so one thing we talked about earlier this week is, at what point do we have to limit other dev activities to force more focus on the gate bugs | 21:32 |
| russellb | i'm not sure what the answer is, and would just prefer we don't let it get to that point :) | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | jog0: none that I know of | 21:32 |
| russellb | markmcclain: please ping me, or #openstack-nova, if any come up | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | russellb: will do | 21:32 |
| russellb | jog0: any other bugs worthy of special attention today you think? | 21:33 |
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| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1254890 | 21:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254890 in tempest ""Timed out waiting for thing" causes tempest-dsvm-neutron-* failures" [Low,Confirmed] | 21:33 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1258682 | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1258682 in tempest "timeout causing gate-tempest-dsvm-full to fail" [Undecided,Invalid] | 21:34 |
| jog0 | and it would be good to try to rule out nova on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1253896 | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress] | 21:34 |
| russellb | OK, cool, thanks for the pointers | 21:35 |
| russellb | we can come back to these in open discussion if we have time | 21:35 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 21:35 |
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| jog0 | those are the top 4 bugs on http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 21:35 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:35 |
| russellb | i posted to the ML last week and said that today is the deadline to have blueprints approved for icehouse-2 | 21:36 |
| russellb | and after today, we'll be pushing the rest off to icehouse-3 | 21:36 |
| russellb | for any that are waiting on review (in Pending Approval or New), I'd like to review them before deferral, though | 21:36 |
| russellb | so I could use some help on that part | 21:36 |
| russellb | unfortunately that status doesn't show up there, so it's easier to find those on this page: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/icehouse | 21:36 |
| russellb | any specific blueprints anyone wants to discuss today? | 21:37 |
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| hartsocks | I have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/autowsdl-repair I'm trying to finish tonight. It's only low priority though. | 21:37 |
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| russellb | OK, looks like it's probably fine | 21:38 |
| russellb | but will review before deferring | 21:38 |
| russellb | looks like we have 11 that need review | 21:39 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:40 |
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| russellb | anything else? | 21:40 |
| russellb | alright, thanks everyeone! we'll meet again in 2 weeks | 21:41 |
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| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 21:41:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-19-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-19-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-19-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
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