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| dandrushko | Hi! Any ML2 disucssions today? | 14:16 |
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| matrohon | hi! it is cancelled for today | 14:20 |
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| matrohon | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#No_Meeting_Today_.2810-16-2013.29 | 14:21 |
| dandrushko | thanks | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 15:00:15 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | Hi who is around for todays meeting? | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am expecting matel | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I guess he is not here yet | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we have release notes to review | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | and summit session to repare here: | 15:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | prepare here: | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseXenAPIRoadmap | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help please review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseXenAPIRoadmap | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 15:11:59 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-10-16-15.00.html | 15:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-10-16-15.00.txt | 15:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-10-16-15.00.log.html | 15:12 |
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| DuncanT-mob | ok, lagging connection is painfully lagging | 15:51 |
| DuncanT-mob | Not sure if I'll be able to usefully contribute to a meeting with a 20 second keypress lag | 15:52 |
| DuncanT-mob | I'd like to see V1 properly depricated ASAP, but that does mean getting devstack updated. I'll see if any of our CI team can push that change through in the morning... No idea who we've got but launchpad will know | 15:52 |
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| winston-d | meeting? | 16:00 |
| * DuncanT-mob waves | 16:00 | |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 16:00:12 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | hey everyone | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| caitlin56 | hi | 16:00 |
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| zhiyan | hello folks | 16:00 |
| winston-d | hi~ | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| avishay | hello all | 16:00 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | I'll open it up for folks after we get through the basics real quick | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | #topic status for Havana | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | You may have noticed we did an RC3 last night/this morning | 16:01 |
| zhiyan | good work jgriffith, two fixes. | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | This hopefully will address the upgrade issues with mysql migrations | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | zhiyan: yeah, the other one was fortuitous :) | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Saw that. | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | For anybody that didn't see: https://launchpad.net/cinder/havana/havana-rc3 | 16:02 |
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| winston-d | hopefully no rc4? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | The thin LVM fix and the i8n fix I pushed to master didn't warrant IMO | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: please no | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | it's time we move on and say good by to RC's for Havana | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | besides the distro folks will murder me if I do another RC :) | 16:03 |
| avishay | jgriffith: kudos on the release! | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | avishay: +2 | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | avishay: thanks, and kudos to everyone for pitching in!! | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | hopefully you've all got some testing in on the RC bits | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | I dont' really have much else on RC, just wanted to give that update incase folks didn't see it | 16:04 |
| winston-d | what? test? :) | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | anybody have any questions about RC? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: haha!!! | 16:04 |
| avishay | winston-d: just wait for bug reports from the field ;) | 16:04 |
| winston-d | avishay: hah! | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | avishay: winston-d I thought that's what the field was for "test" | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | just kidding | 16:05 |
| avishay | haha | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | alright... moving along | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | #topic release-notes | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#OpenStack_Block_Storage_.28Cinder.29 | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | I've takena stab, but there's a good bit probably missing | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | it would be great if you have a feature that you worked on/added if you put something in the release notes about it | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | also eharney I think that TODO is from you | 16:06 |
| avishay | volume migration :( | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | eharney: you want me to write something or shall you? | 16:06 |
| thingee | Yes, there are a fair number of drivers that had config options deprecated. Please note these in the release notes. your users will love you. | 16:06 |
| eharney | oh, yes, it is | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yes I didn't forget, I just went to bed when I got to it | 16:06 |
| avishay | jgriffith: :) | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: if you want to add something that woudl be fantastic | 16:07 |
| eharney | i can | 16:07 |
| avishay | jgriffith: will do | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: your qos changes should have some detail there as well | 16:07 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: yep, and i still own everybody the doc. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to have the fairly well buttoned up by the end of today if we can | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: Ohh yeahh!! Thanks for reminding me :) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | s/me/us/ | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: you're docs/comments in code and commit messages is great BTW | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | much appreciated | 16:08 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: thx, still working on doc for qos, should be ready tomorrow | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: great | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | anything on Release Notes? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | cool | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | #topic summit | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, we've got a good list: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topic/14 | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | now it's time to start figuring out what stays, what goes | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | I plan to finally get around to working on this a bit today | 16:11 |
| avishay | jgriffith: link is 'forbidden' | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | so fair warning, if you have things in mind that you haven't proposed, it would be really good to get them up | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | avishay: say whaaa | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | OHHH | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | hehe | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | sorry about that | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | I gave you the link to my "special" page | 16:12 |
| avishay | ctrl-f , search for cinder :) | 16:12 |
| zhiyan | how to group-by-cinder... | 16:12 |
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| thingee | you can just order by topic | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | avishay: you an also sort by cliking on topic | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:13 |
| avishay | oooh | 16:13 |
| avishay | fancy | 16:13 |
| zhiyan | thingee: cool | 16:13 |
| avishay | thanks | 16:13 |
| zhiyan | thanks | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | So... if anybody sees anything here they don't want to talk about :) let me know | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | or if you want to volunteer to combine some sessions that would be great as well | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | else I'll do it myself, and who knows how messed up it will be :) | 16:14 |
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| avishay | 22 topics, 11 slots? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeup | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | yup | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | the math doesn't quite work :) | 16:14 |
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| winston-d | each one have 22.5 mins, done | 16:14 |
| winston-d | s/have/has | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: interesting idea | 16:14 |
| avishay | :) | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | lighting rounds for summit sessions | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:14 |
| DuncanT-mob | Taskflow and ollie/my state taslk might be combinable | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-mob: yeah, I would like to explore that | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | think it would be good to have those talks simultaneously, just worried about fitting it all in time wise | 16:15 |
| DuncanT-mob | I've been talking to harlowja and combining ideas | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | yeah, that's awesome! | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | I don't know how much additional harlowja has there | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | but there are other topics that overlap as well | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | like where do we go next (ie delete, backup etc) for taskflow | 16:16 |
| winston-d | who proposed this topic? http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/212 Is he/she asking for a Q&A session or what? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | anyway... there's a lot there I think | 16:16 |
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| caitlin56 | My proposal slightly overlaps with Avishay's | 16:17 |
| thingee | winston-d: I was wondering the same thing | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: thingee good question | 16:17 |
| DuncanT-mob | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/212 might be talking about per-volume settings .v. per volume type settings... | 16:17 |
| thingee | doesn't seem appropriate for the summit | 16:17 |
| avishay | caitlin56: your proposal is great and i'm really interested in it, but not sure how much overlap there is with replication | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I don't know who Alex Jauch is either | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | hmmm... he has a couple proposals that don't really *fit* | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | seems to be a lack of understanding of existing architecture/purpose | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | anyway... I'll see if I can track him down and clear some of those things up | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | anything anybody kicking around that they want to get on the list quickly? | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT-mob | Unconference sessions are always a poossibility | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-mob: yeah, that worked really well in SanDiego | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-mob: didn't have quite as good a luck with them in Portland | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | ie don't think we really had them in Portland :( | 16:20 |
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| caitlin56 | How much time is there for unconference sessions that don't conflict with Cinder sessions? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Ok, not much else to say here, unless yall want to start going through these as a group effort? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: unconf sessions are the same length/duration | 16:21 |
| thingee | jgriffith: lets move it to #openstack-cinder | 16:21 |
| thingee | after meeting | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: it's just a matter of getting a room | 16:21 |
| avishay | thingee: +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | and coordinating everyone | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +2 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I had state machine on the agenda, but I think that's premature to open up in meeting time | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-mob: ollie and harlowja are all working on things here | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | so that's likely enough for now | 16:22 |
| DuncanT-mob | Indeed, I've nothing much to say on the subject orther than I've been working on it and talking to harlowja about geting it into taskflow | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | fair enough | 16:23 |
| DuncanT-mob | (sorry, lagged) | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | Okie Dokie | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-mic | 16:23 |
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| zhiyan | DuncanT-mob: any design draft can share with me? | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT-mob | zhylan: When I'm not mobile, yes. There's an etherpad and some scratch code | 16:24 |
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| caitlin56 | I have a general question/concern and wanted to understand the history. A lot of nova people seem to think of cinder as "external storage" and prefer "native" hypervisor based storage. | 16:24 |
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| zhiyan | DuncanT-mob: cool. can you ping the link to me? thanks | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: yes they do | 16:24 |
| caitlin56 | What can we do to discourage this. It can be wasteful, like they were talking about authenticating glimpse clones totally independent of cinder's existing cloning capabilities. | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | caitlin56: keep providing and improving things like boot from volume for starters | 16:25 |
| DuncanT-mob | Code was written by me so ugly as sin, just so you're wared ;-) | 16:25 |
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| caitlin56 | Is cinder ready to state "you should be using Cinder for all volume services" if not, what is lacking? | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | caitlin56: I don't think that's something that would work | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: not that I would mind | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: but it's just not realistic | 16:27 |
| caitlin56 | jgriffith: would't work politically or wouldn't work technically? | 16:27 |
| winston-d | cinder is all for volume, nova folks even want cinder to manage native local disks during last summit | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | both, but mostly politically | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: +1 | 16:27 |
| zhiyan | DuncanT-mob: actually i'm interested in what's your plan for taskflow-statemachine | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: I think we're getting there, and will continue to make progress | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | but you'll never convince everybody that they don't *need* some on-server disk storage | 16:28 |
| zhiyan | DuncanT-mob: if you have any design doc/wiki, it will be great. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | that by the way was the whole idea that started brick | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | before it got horribly side-tracked | 16:28 |
| * jgriffith apologizes for that | 16:28 | |
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| caitlin56 | jgriffith: I was more thinking of opposing enhanciung non-cinder storage -- such as the "certified clone" feature being discussed. | 16:28 |
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| jgriffith | caitlin56: I'm not familiar with that | 16:29 |
| winston-d | jgriffith and hemnafk and eharney did great job on brick during H | 16:29 |
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| caitlin56 | They want to check out clones directly from glimpse and effectively sign them for the hypervisors to use. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yeah... kudos to hemnafk eharney and everyone who worked on it | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I just didn't manage/communicate things well | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: hmm... not sure about that. But the work zhiyan has been doing should help get that sort of thing going in Cinder | 16:30 |
| avishay | caitlin56: do you have a link to a blueprint or something? i'm not aware of this | 16:30 |
| caitlin56 | jgriffith: I'll forward it to you. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: but they'll still want the locality feature of the image | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: if you have a link post it here or in cinder later | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | I'm sure others are interested as well | 16:30 |
| caitlin56 | You can never get anything to retreat, but keeping it from growing may be doable. | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | caitlin56: yeah... sometimes just go with the flow though :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | Ok, anybody have anything else? | 16:32 |
| DuncanT-mob | caitlin: Somebody needs to code up the cinder-equivilant | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-mob: +1 | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | which I'm sure we can do if we understand what they're tryign to accomplish | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | I suspect it's part of the glance/cinder/RO work | 16:33 |
| avishay | or they should just code it in cinder to begin with? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: well there's that :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | let's not get too anxious on this since none of us seem to be familiar with it | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | we'll figure it out | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | all valid points though | 16:33 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: +1 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | silos versus project | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | ok... that's all I've got | 16:34 |
| * jgriffith is on a mission to have shorter meetings :) | 16:34 | |
| avishay | jgriffith: stable/havana tomorrow? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | avishay: not sure if it'll be tomorrow or not | 16:34 |
| zhiyan | avishay: good point, i just want to raise this question :) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: Good question. | 16:35 |
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| avishay | i already have a backport :( | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, there are a few | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: just make sure you tag the bug so we can track it | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Gotta draw the line at some point though. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and we'll get backports going asap when stable hits | 16:35 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yup it's tagged, sure thing | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: +1, and it's been drawn | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: although we use pencil so it can be erased | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | :( | 16:36 |
| caitlin56 | jgriffith,avishay: Avoiding Image Copying from srujana_cp on Oct 16 at 2:58 AM. | 16:36 |
| avishay | jgriffith: and re-drawn, and re-drawn - but that's it! | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: ahh | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | caitlin56: that's somewhat different IIRC | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | Ok, let's move over to #cinder for folks that have more they want to talk about | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone! | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 16:38:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-10-16-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-10-16-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-10-16-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. See you in Cinder | 16:38 |
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| tjones | hi folks - anyone around? | 17:00 |
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| tjones | i'll wait a minute or 2 for people to join. many vmw people at vmworld this week | 17:01 |
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| tjones | listening to crickets.... | 17:02 |
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| tjones | hello hello….. | 17:03 |
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| tjones | anyone here? | 17:05 |
| yaguang | hi | 17:05 |
| tjones | hi yaguang | 17:05 |
| tjones | looks like just you and me but i'll go ahead and start | 17:05 |
| tjones | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 17:06:00 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
| danflorea | I'm here to listen | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: VMwareAPI)" | 17:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:06 |
| tjones | hi dan | 17:06 |
| tjones | anyone else lurking about? | 17:06 |
| tjones | ok looks like this will be a short meeting ;-) Lets get started | 17:06 |
| yaguang | :) | 17:07 |
| * dims lurking | 17:07 | |
| tjones | 1st i'd like to mention that i've submitted a proposal for the icehouse design summit for vmware roadmap. The link is here http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/247 | 17:07 |
| tjones | hi dims | 17:08 |
| danflorea | Thanks for doing that Tracy | 17:08 |
| tjones | feel free to take a look at this and at the etherpad that gives a little more info. The deadline for proposals is 10/17 BTW | 17:08 |
| yaguang | I am interested in the improvement for live migration | 17:08 |
| yaguang | AFAIK live migrations cann't works with latest Havana + VCenter | 17:09 |
| tjones | great yaguang - we can use some help in getting more detailed info on this | 17:09 |
| tjones | garyk mentioned that as well. | 17:10 |
| yaguang | a bug report is here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1192192 | 17:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1192192 in nova "Nova initiated Live Migration regression for vmware VCDriver" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:10 |
| tjones | *looking* | 17:10 |
| dims | tjones, i would love some programmable pluggability to select the datastore and compute node (specific ESXi inside vCenter) for deployment and migration | 17:10 |
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| tjones | dims - what is the use case you are thinking of here? | 17:12 |
| dims | say someone wants to evacuate a ESXi host for maintenance, i'd like them to be able to use nova cli to move vm(s) to other compute nodes | 17:13 |
| tjones | yaguang - yes that is the bug for live migration. Can you help with a BP on this? | 17:13 |
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| yaguang | tjones, sure | 17:14 |
| dansmith | dims: if we exposed one nova compute per ESX host (like we should be doing, IMHO) then this would be natural, right? | 17:14 |
| dansmith | dims: i.e., you can do this on kvm/xen because they use one compute per hypervisor, as nova was intended | 17:15 |
| tjones | dims: when you put a host in maint mode - VC should move the VMs already though - am i missing something? | 17:15 |
| dims | dansmith, right. just like (http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/specify-host-to-boot-instances-on.html) | 17:15 |
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| dansmith | dims: exactly, which is why I don't like the hide-a-cluster-behind-a-compute model :) | 17:16 |
| tjones | dansmith - hence your other question earlier to me ;-) | 17:16 |
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| dansmith | tjones: yes, actually, although I was going somewhere else with that :) | 17:16 |
| dims | tjones, will draw pictures when we get near a board :) | 17:16 |
| tjones | dims - ok that's in HK then :-D | 17:17 |
| tjones | dims: please go ahead and add that to the etherpad and we can discuss further | 17:17 |
| dims | thanks tjones | 17:18 |
| tjones | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/T4tQMQf5uS | 17:18 |
| tjones | ok any other topics on the design summit? | 17:18 |
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| danflorea | I think there are also some topics around Glance/image handling | 17:19 |
| tjones | danflorea: should we add that to our etherpad as well ? | 17:20 |
| tjones | and if so - will you? | 17:20 |
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| danflorea | I would think that there should be a separate etherpad for them | 17:20 |
| danflorea | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/236 | 17:20 |
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| danflorea | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/235 | 17:20 |
| danflorea | If we want a combined etherpad I guess that works too? | 17:21 |
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| tjones | are we covering that in our nova discussion or will there be a separate glance topic? Perhaps it would be helpful to just link to that. I don't want to get too much and i also don't want to miss anything. We need to prioritize | 17:22 |
| danflorea | They should be separate glance topics | 17:23 |
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| tjones | ok good - anything else on the design summit? | 17:23 |
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| vuil | hi, just checked in | 17:24 |
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| tjones | hi viul: | 17:24 |
| tjones | Ok - anyone have a BP for discussion today? | 17:24 |
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| tjones | for this week - lets try to flesh out our ideas in the etherpad for the design summit and we can discuss them next week. Moving on to bugs. | 17:26 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:26 |
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| tjones | I don't see anything critical here | 17:28 |
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| vuil | I just filed one yesterday about sparse disk spawn issue. | 17:29 |
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| vuil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1240373 | 17:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240373 in nova "VMware: Sparse glance vmdk's size property is mistaken for capacity" [High,New] | 17:29 |
| vuil | if glance lies about the image's capacity, we will incorrect attempt to extend a disk to flavor size when we can't | 17:30 |
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| vuil | The are reasonable workarounds | 17:31 |
| tjones | viul: nice ;-) | 17:31 |
| vuil | but there should be something we can do on driver side to better handle this as well. | 17:32 |
| tjones | ok im going to confirm that one | 17:32 |
| vuil | was going to suggest just that. | 17:32 |
| tjones | any bugs we want to review before triaging the new bugs? | 17:32 |
| tjones | i see that we still have quite a few that need +1 reviews | 17:33 |
| tjones | http://paste.openstack.org/show/48574/ | 17:33 |
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| tjones | nothing is waiting for core - so this is on us to get ready for them. Please spend some time this week reviewing. | 17:34 |
| tjones | Several need an update too | 17:34 |
| tjones | shall i move on to bug triage? | 17:35 |
| vuil | sure | 17:35 |
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| tjones | #topic new bugs | 17:35 |
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| tjones | http://goo.gl/5emePr | 17:36 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1237795 | 17:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237795 in nova "VMware: restarting nova compute reports invalid instances" [High,New] | 17:37 |
| tjones | this one was opened by garyk (who is in barcelona today) | 17:38 |
| tjones | he said it was on grizzly and havana both | 17:38 |
| vuil | wanted to find out more from Gary on this one | 17:38 |
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| tjones | ok i'll spend some time looking at this today | 17:38 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1237795 | 17:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237795 in nova "VMware: restarting nova compute reports invalid instances" [High,New] | 17:38 |
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| tjones | i'm assuming his cluster is containing both VC created and OS created VMs. Is that a valid use case? I mean - of course you can do it - but is it a likely senario? | 17:40 |
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| vuil | Yeah I think it should be | 17:41 |
| vuil | I see the review posted fixes the instance list reporting | 17:41 |
| vuil | just wondering if there is more to the bug. | 17:41 |
| danflorea | I think this would completely break HA | 17:41 |
| tjones | hee hee - im looking at the wrong bug | 17:42 |
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| tjones | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1240200 | 17:42 |
| vuil | how so, dan? | 17:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240200 in nova "VMware ESX driver reports incorrect metrics for memory, disk and cpu usage" [High,New] | 17:42 |
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| tjones | #undo | 17:43 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x30f3650> | 17:43 |
| tjones | sorry - moved on too fast. Dan - you have a comment about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1237795 | 17:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1237795 in nova "VMware: restarting nova compute reports invalid instances" [High,New] | 17:43 |
| danflorea | Yes. HA may require us to restart the controller, which includes the nova-compute agent. If that doesn't work correctly, HA will not work. | 17:44 |
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| tjones | lets discuss that more in the bug report - i want to get through the other bugs and we are running out of time. | 17:46 |
| tjones | next is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1240200 | 17:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240200 in nova "VMware ESX driver reports incorrect metrics for memory, disk and cpu usage" [High,New] | 17:46 |
| smurugesan | The user see s the stats from the hypervisor page, which will report the usage stats from the instances perspective. | 17:48 |
| smurugesan | the audit logs should report the hypervisor s view of stats | 17:48 |
| smurugesan | we need to get that information to check if it's right. | 17:48 |
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| tjones | ok do you want to confirm that one if its not correct? The reporter is working on it - but it's not confirmed | 17:50 |
| smurugesan | I will update the bug, it's not a bug with the driver. | 17:50 |
| tjones | next 2 are still waiting for updates from the submitter | 17:50 |
| tjones | last one was reported by our QE guy - sabari i think you were looking at it ? #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1240292 | 17:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240292 in nova "vmware: Error in logging causing vcdriver report 0 resources" [Undecided,New] | 17:51 |
| smurugesan | Yes, it s an intermittent issue. Mostly a suds error (need to check). Has happened once during one of the periodic reporting | 17:52 |
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| tjones | lovely. | 17:53 |
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| tjones | we have a little time left - #topic open discussion | 17:53 |
| tjones | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#topic open discussion | 17:53 |
| tjones | anything anyone wants to bring up? BTW - Shawn should be back next week | 17:54 |
| vuil | huge thanks for filling in, and great job! | 17:55 |
| tjones | thanks! | 17:55 |
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| tjones | ok i guess we are done this week. Thanks all! | 17:56 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 17:57:13 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-10-16-17.06.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-10-16-17.06.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-10-16-17.06.log.html | 17:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:00 |
| SridarK | Hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | about to start the Neutron FWaaS Meeting | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: howdy! | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 18:01:15 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:01 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Welcome to the first IRC Firewall as a Service meeting! :-) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you are here for the FWaaS meeting say Hi! | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just want to get a feel for who is here | 18:02 |
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| Kanzhe | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets give it a couple of more minutes | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: hi! | 18:02 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:02 |
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| garyduan | Hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: hi | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just waiting for any more folks to join | 18:04 |
| salv-orlando | is this the first meeting of a regular series? | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: probably regular before the summit | 18:04 |
| salv-orlando | ok, thanks | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: after that we can decide the frequency | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: try to avoid too many meetings :-) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok so, we are 5 mins past | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have had several face-to-face meetings in the bay area before, and its nice to reach out to even more people now | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | today's meeting is to prep for the Icehouse summit discussions/sessions | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have some activity going on the etherpad: | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-fwaas | 18:06 |
| SridarK | will be back online in couple of mins | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i propose using these pre-summit meetings to gather requirements and prioritize them | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic tempest | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | since we as a Neutron team want to emphasize on testing lets talk about this a bit first | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is an open area | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (a) we need to decide what tests to add | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (b) who/how will do it? | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if any folks from tempest/testing are here | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | right now we don't have tempest coverage for FWaaS | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok seems like an obvious thing to do :-) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any volunteers? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | looks like we will have to talk to the neutron/tempest gurus on this | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe there is going to be a common session for Neutron/tempest | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic service_type framework and insertion | 18:11 |
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| salv-orlando | I have been talking with tempest people, but I reckon we need also somebody from the team who contributed fw code | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: agree | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | once we can decide what is the minimal set of steps to start with, we can get on it | 18:12 |
| salv-orlando | load balancing and vpn contributors also pushed API tests into tempest, which is a good start | 18:12 |
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| salv-orlando | the API tests are the minimal set of tests | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, we can follow that lead | 18:12 |
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| salv-orlando | and then you can implement scenario tests which also validate the agent correctly enforces the rule | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: can we sync up offline to exchange how the team can go about this? | 18:13 |
| salv-orlando | sure | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: thanks | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to sync with salv-orlando on tempest | 18:13 |
| garyduan | For service type framework, currently in havana, we only have one plugin per service with multiple driver mode, right? | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yes | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | like LBaaS (and VPNaaS currently in review) we should be extending support for FWaaS for service_type framework | 18:14 |
| garyduan | for FWaaS, is this the path we plan to do? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have a place holder bp for this: | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fwaas-service-types-in | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there is a parallel discussion going on about insertion | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as the discussion converges we can add support for the router level insertion | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that we don't have to apply the reference implementation firewall to all the routres | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | like we are currently doing | 18:15 |
| garyduan | Do we plan to support multi-service, multi-plugin mode? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i think that is a question for the "advance service common requirements" dicussion | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: we will have follow up meetings for that, we can bring this up during that time | 18:16 |
| garyduan | Sure | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: as for fwaas, it will be expressed as a an independent service in the service_provider configuration | 18:17 |
| SridarK | We would also want to be able deploy a FW as L3 or L2 so again a usecase for the service insertion discussion | 18:17 |
| Kanzhe | SridarK: +1. good point. | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK Kanzhe : agree, hence having the insertion/chaining discussion in parallel | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and also with the VPN and LBaaS team | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hoping to converge :-) | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok next topic | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic revisit firewall to firewall_policy association | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this was being discussed as the "commit operation" patch before | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it did not make it into H | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you can check out the bp: | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-fwaas-explicit-commit | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the referenced patch to see the discussion on this | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i believe you were referring to startup and running config | 18:20 |
| beyounn | should we really allow policy sharing? | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we can discuss this | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: do you mean more than one firewall to use the same firewall_policy? | 18:21 |
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| salv-orlando | I think here "sharing" might be intended as reuse, If I'm not wrong | 18:21 |
| beyounn | yes | 18:21 |
| garyduan | I also think if there is no policy sharing, there would be no confusion | 18:21 |
| beyounn | and inside the same tenant | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: yes | 18:21 |
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| Kanzhe | User has the choice to share or not. Sumit's proposal is to enable both. | 18:22 |
| SridarK | there is a use case with a provider enforcing some set of rules to be used by tenants | 18:22 |
| SridarK | and the tenants can add to that with tenant specific rules | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn garyduan: so the suggestion is to make the firewall to firewall_policy association 1:1? | 18:23 |
| garyduan | this couples with zone and other fw objects | 18:23 |
| garyduan | if we add them into fw rules | 18:23 |
| Kanzhe | For the use cases where policy sharing makes sense, it would have to be cloned and then somehow synchronize multiple policies. | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: zone is a separate topic (also on the agenda :-) lets hold a little bit) | 18:24 |
| garyduan | in most cases, the rule/policy is unlikely shareable | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: that is not always the case | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: if we have support for dynamic objects, that will make it less specific and more shareable | 18:25 |
| garyduan | I agree there are cases sharing is prefered | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the use cases, for example that we heard from the paypal guys, they said that they create policy once | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then apply it in several places | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so sharing was felt necessary, both within tenant, and across tenants | 18:26 |
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| beyounn | Sumit, that maybe for the chaining case | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general, it was felt that have to create a new policy for every firewall is very cumbersome and unwieldy | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | note that the policy can have several thousands of rules | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: sorry, i did not get the context of the chain | 18:27 |
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| beyounn | Sumit, can paypal guy give some detail? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its actually documented in the first fwaas specification | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PJaKvsX2MzMRlLGfR0fBkrMraHYF0flvl0sqyZ704tA/edit?usp=drive_web | 18:29 |
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| SridarK | beyounn: Due to Audit and compliance reasons too, our customer inputs have also been along the same lines - regarding making any changes to policies | 18:30 |
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| beyounn | ok | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think Kanzhe pointed out somewhere earlier in this thread - the team felt that it was important to be able to support one firewall policy to many firewalls association | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it still allows 1:1 association if required | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | at any rate, beyounn, garyduan do you want to take a look at the blueprint and the patch, and provide your suggestions? | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we tried to find some middle ground | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there are some concerns around that solution and we need to resolve those | 18:33 |
| beyounn | Sumit, sure | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | next topic | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic zones | 18:34 |
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| garyduan | I read the patch, the commit action is effectively like a clone in the database | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: not a clone, its more like running config | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: we can discuss as follow up | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so zones | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Zones is of definite interest for us as well | 18:34 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK garyduan: yes this is of interest to lots of people | 18:35 |
| SridarK | We definitely want to get the support in | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the problem is that everyone defines it in a different way (well not everyone, but there are different opinions on this) | 18:35 |
| SridarK | yes as u had mentioned | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so our first task will be to find out a crisp definition | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: agree | 18:36 |
| SridarK | we could work towards finding common ground | 18:36 |
| SridarK | something generic enough so vendor plugins can add minimal tweaks | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | most firewall vendors seem to define these in terms of "interfaces" | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | these are interfaces on their network devices | 18:36 |
| SridarK | we will probab also have dependencies on Service insertions work | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: good point | 18:37 |
| SridarK | yes interfaces seem to be fairly common ground | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | agree | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: true, but we don't model switch interfaces in neutron | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have the virtual port absrtaction | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we will need to see how we can map that to some notion of a logical i/f inside the vendor service instance | 18:38 |
| SridarK | is that something to think about | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, so in neutron speak are these virtual ports for a tenant? | 18:39 |
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| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: Sorry, I didn't get the virtual port part? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i was referring to the neutron port resource | 18:40 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan SridarK: i am not making a proposal here, just thinking aloud | 18:40 |
| SridarK | same here | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately we always go in circles on this | 18:40 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:41 |
| garyduan | zone is a group of interfaces | 18:41 |
| SridarK | agree | 18:41 |
| beyounn | and VR is a group of zones | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan, beyounn: ok | 18:41 |
| Kanzhe | will there always be a 1:1 mapping between neutron logic port and FW interfaces? | 18:41 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but are those physical interfaces? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: good point | 18:42 |
| beyounn | Kanzhe, with vlan, it could be different | 18:42 |
| beyounn | FW normally map logic interfaces, and multple logic interfaces can anchr on same VNIC | 18:42 |
| Kanzhe | From the insertion perspective, I would say yes, but not quite sure with physical devices. Like SridarK mentioned, it depends on the insertion proposal. | 18:43 |
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| beyounn | Kanzhe, what about L3 firewall? | 18:44 |
| Kanzhe | beyounn: I would think a logical port corresponds to a vlan+vnic. | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | let's start a thread on ML to brainstorm | 18:45 |
| beyounn | Kanzhe: right, then it is not1:1 | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam send message to openstack-dev to brainstorm on zones | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn Kanzhe SridarK garyduan: sound okay? | 18:46 |
| garyduan | OK. | 18:46 |
| SridarK | beyounn: are u local bay area ? | 18:46 |
| beyounn | sure | 18:46 |
| garyduan | I have to understand more about service insertion vs. zone | 18:46 |
| beyounn | sridark:yes | 18:46 |
| beyounn | Sumit, it would be great if we can have another face to face | 18:46 |
| SridarK | we could even atleast get some basic thrashing btwn some of us in a face 2 face | 18:46 |
| beyounn | Sridark, agree | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes sure | 18:47 |
| SridarK | hopefully we can come to a common model | 18:47 |
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| SridarK | we can then ofcourse get some broader consensus | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok so (lots) more discussion needed :-) | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | next topic | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic hit counts/counters | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is very important from an operations perspectice | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, helps debugging | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lots of people have suggested this | 18:48 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: agree | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we should be able to provide a hit counts for the rules | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this also another place where having the running_config for the rules might make sense | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the hit counts will be for the rules which are currently in the running_config | 18:50 |
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| SridarK | running config - Sumit u give away where u worked b4 :-) | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hahaha | 18:51 |
| salv-orlando | for metrics, consider whether you want to retrieve them in the same API call as the rule, or with a different cole | 18:51 |
| salv-orlando | cole/call | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: good point | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: whats your recommendation? | 18:51 |
| salv-orlando | they can put quite a lot of strain on the backend, so I'd go with a different URI | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: ok | 18:51 |
| salv-orlando | unless you mandate drivers to always update the server-side counters, which might be bad too | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: agree that should not be mandated | 18:52 |
| SridarK | salv-orlando: perhaps a periodic sync - less accurate at the instant but will be ok overall | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, i do envision a UI where you see the rules and the counts next to those | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | maybe something as basic as what you see with iptables | 18:53 |
| garyduan | also, history of hits are useful too. | 18:53 |
| Kanzhe | I agree different API might be more flexible. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: ok, you want to drive this? :-) | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kidding, we can decide all that later | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok so this seems useful in the list of priorities | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can revisit this, anything more to add now? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are running short on time | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | next topic | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic vendor drivers | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I can currently see this: | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fwaas-cisco | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Also know that vArmour has a few patches currently in review, anything else planned? | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am asking from the perspective of any specific requirements that vendors might have to support their drivers | 18:56 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes just added - again some dependency on the services insertion discussion | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok good to know | 18:57 |
| Kanzhe | I believe Sonicwall is working on its driver. | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: hopefully you will be able to convey that in the discussion | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: thanks, i did not see blueprint | 18:57 |
| SridarK | also some of the discussion on how we get the driver in - perhaps some the L3 Agent refactoring that Nachi was talking abt may play into this as well | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Summit sessions | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | We will most likely have a super session | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we can try to collect our thoughts in this forum | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so far FWaaS team has worked great as a team (many thanks!!!) | 18:58 |
| SridarK | +1 | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i think we can try and continue this collaboration into the summit | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 2 mins left | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic other topics of interest | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other topics of interest (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:59 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can meet the next week, same time | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully those who missed out today can also chime in | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok thanks much everyone for participating | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 19:00:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| SridarK | thanks | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2013/networking_fwaas.2013-10-16-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2013/networking_fwaas.2013-10-16-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| SridarK | bye | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2013/networking_fwaas.2013-10-16-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:00 |
| Kanzhe | later | 19:00 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 16 20:00:10 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | hey | 20:00 |
| spzala | hi | 20:00 |
| m4dcoder_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| bgorski | o/ | 20:01 |
| randallburt | o/ | 20:01 |
| kebray | \o | 20:01 |
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| jlucci | \o/ | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | no zane, must be enjoying paris | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last week's actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| andrew_plunk | o/ | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-09-20.00.html | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | looks like no action items, that was easy! | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic Havana release status | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: would you like to give an update? | 20:03 |
| shardy | So RC2 is out, only critical release blockers will trigger another RC now | 20:03 |
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| shardy | Please keep testing, and tag any potential release blocker bugs with havana-rc-potential | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | nice, well done everyone | 20:03 |
| shardy | other less critical stuff can be havana-backport-potential, and we'll handle it it the next stable/havana release | 20:04 |
| shardy | Yup, great job all! :) | 20:04 |
| jasond | o/ | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic release notes | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release notes (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:04 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#OpenStack_Orchestration_.28Heat.29 | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-havana-release-notes | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | shardy has started updating the wiki | 20:05 |
| shardy | So I made a start on the wiki | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | I did some stuff on the etherpad earlier | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | shardy: did you base that on the etherpad? | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | etherpad not happy | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | won't connect | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | try refreshing | 20:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: actually not really.. | 20:05 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I'll take an action to sync etherpad with wiki | 20:06 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 20:06 |
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| shardy | #action shardy to sync Havana release notes etherpad with wiki | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | the etherpad has a few more practical details in the upgrade notes | 20:07 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, thanks | 20:07 |
| * SpamapS adds a few details on the limits added | 20:07 | |
| stevebaker | should we be detailing interesting new configuration options? | 20:07 |
| radix | oops, here | 20:08 |
| shardy | I think put as much detail as you like in the etherpad, and if it's getting too much, I'll link it from the wiki | 20:08 |
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| sdake_ | stevebaker I think that might be a little much | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | I guess that detail should go in the install guide | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | agreed | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | major issue is did we remove any | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | (config options) | 20:09 |
| shardy | We want to capture the info somewhere tho, while we still remember the details :) | 20:09 |
| sdake_ | shardy that is what the git is for ;) | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | trawling the git history of heat.conf.sample is pretty useful | 20:09 |
| shardy | I say add it to the wiki, and I'll pick the highlights for the wiki | 20:09 |
| shardy | at least then it's written down | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | what would be interesting is a listing of all config options | 20:10 |
| shardy | sdake_: A lot of users won't want to trawl git to get overview info IMO | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | i guess thats the install guide | 20:10 |
| shardy | sdake_: You mean like heat.conf.sample? | 20:10 |
| sdake_ | does that have all of them? | 20:10 |
| shardy | sdake_: yup | 20:11 |
| sdake_ | nm then | 20:11 |
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| shardy | sdake_: that's the cool thing, it's sync'd via a script now | 20:11 |
| shardy | well you have to run the script, but.. | 20:11 |
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| SpamapS | TO me release notes are "here is what might not be obvious about the new release" | 20:12 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Yeah, that's what needs to end up in the wiki | 20:12 |
| shardy | SpamapS: but we can pool info in the etherpad to get there :) | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | Yes, put it all in the etherpad and then put summaries of things in the actual release notes. | 20:13 |
| shardy | +1 | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | Yes, if you've implemented blueprints or features, you're probably the best person to write the release notes to draw attention to them | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | like we don't have to say the actual config limits that were added, but "Several configuration options were added to limit user impact on the heat engine service." works. | 20:13 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Summit session proposals | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:14 |
| sdake_ | holy cripola | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | so many | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | Click on the Topic column twice to make it reverse order, then scroll down | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | heathas like 20 sessions | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | We have 9 slots and 19 session proposals | 20:15 |
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| sdake_ | stevebaker the web ui should allow you to merge sessions | 20:16 |
| kebray | Any hope of running two tracks? | 20:16 |
| kebray | guessing we only have one room. | 20:16 |
| sdake_ | or give folks half time for one session | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | I don't have teh powerz to review sessions yet | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | but will ask | 20:17 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I do, we can coordinate | 20:17 |
| sdake_ | ya recommend getting soon running out of time | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | I don't think an optimal program can be built by committee, so I'll be doing some merging and culling then will be asking for further feedback just in case anyone thinks their topic is under represented | 20:17 |
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| radix | OK | 20:18 |
| kebray | stevebaker there was an ether pad that had started some of the organizational notes... I'll look for the link. | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-icehouse-summit-proposals | 20:18 |
| kebray | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-icehouse-summit-proposals | 20:18 |
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| radix | I kinda think the summit isn't going to scale well for all the discussion that needs to happen. | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I'm sure a few of those can be solved with ML discussions. | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | some smaller topics might get merged into other sessions, with strict time limits | 20:19 |
| radix | what do you guys think of g+ hangouts? | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | for what? | 20:20 |
| sdake_ | radix asalkeld would have to brush his hair | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | sessions are for "we need to get in a room and talk about the impact/ideas/etc". Some of those sessions are going to get a JFDI from all of us if proposed on the ML. | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | so yes, put any thoughts in the etherpad or the summit session comments | 20:20 |
| shardy | radix: prefer ML as it's persistent, and more inclusive | 20:20 |
| radix | hehe :) well video isn't required | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | shardy: G+ hangouts can be saved as youtube videos | 20:21 |
| radix | right, and we can take minutes | 20:21 |
| shardy | SpamapS: but they're limited participation | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | but they are exclusive of sleeping timezones | 20:21 |
| radix | basically ml has not been as effective as I hoped for certain conversations | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | any new resources or updating resources for new features will be JFDI, so sessions might not be necessary for them unless it is to divvy out responsibility | 20:21 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: I think there are plenty of things that don't need more than 10 speakers. | 20:21 |
| radix | like we still need more discussion in the AS/LB thread | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | The ML should be the first place to discuss though. | 20:22 |
| radix | but I guess I just need to make more noise | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | also there are other slots we can using in the week | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | If it feels like the issue is too contentious to discuss in a faceless ML manner, then hangouts are a viable option IMO. | 20:23 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I'm not against that, I just think ML first, and with the summit only a couple of weeks away, I figure we can discuss most stuff there | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | radix, you can always bug me on g+ if you want | 20:23 |
| shardy | even if it's over beer rather than in the sessions | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | does anyone have session proposals they haven't got around to submitting yet? | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, beer/breakouts/etc. | 20:23 |
| shardy | yup | 20:23 |
| radix | OK | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | I like to exhaust all other means before the summit though, so the summit is just the stuff we really do need face time for. | 20:23 |
| radix | man, I'm sad I'm not going. but I won't miss the flying :) | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | radix: oh, I thought you were | 20:24 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I did consider one re auth stuff, but I think I've pretty much got that under control now | 20:24 |
| shardy | basically fix-all-the-keystone-things | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | radix: maybe I assumed you were because you've proposed 2 sessions ;) | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | I do have an idea forming that I will need probably in the icehouse timeframe.. but I'm not sure I'll have it fleshed out enough before the summit to talk about it there. | 20:25 |
| radix | hehe, yeah. Thomas and Randall should be able to cover for me | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | cool, ok | 20:25 |
| * randallburt will be radix for the summit | 20:26 | |
| SpamapS | It involves update flow control at a somewhat lower level than the rolling update proposal I also hope to discuss. | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | err | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | radixalburt | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | rolling update proposal I salso hope to implement :-P | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: beer track, if nothing else | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | aye | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | I'll aim to have a list of 9 for next week's meeting so we can actually go through each proposed session | 20:28 |
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| sdake_ | sounds good stevebaker | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | #action stevebaker to review all summit proposals and reduce to 9 sessions | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | anything else on summit? | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, maybe also make a list for extra slots | 20:28 |
| sdake_ | asalkled idea is to combine sessions where possible | 20:29 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: if we can actually only have 8 defined before hand.. | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | there are ones you can sign up for | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: never fails by the 3rd session we have a need for another. | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | breakout rooms I think they call them | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I assume there will be some kind of whiteboard signup for breakouts - maybe we should leave that for submitters if they think the session is needed | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | we will need more for hot + software config | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | Its a bit of a surprise to me that we are limited to 9. At ubuntu dev summits, there were always at least 4 empty slots per track. | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: yeah, maybe 8 + 1 for topic overflow | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | By day 2 they're all filled (and not with breakout type stuff.. with "doh we forgot about that we need to talk to everybody about this") | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I understand if it isn't possible, but just a thought. :) | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | #topic HOT software configuration | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | I sent out an email yesterday with | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | and | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/native-tools-bootstrap-config | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | I also made one #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config-42 | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | maybe the ML is the best place to continue that discussion, but if there are things to discuss in realtime then now is a good chance | 20:34 |
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| sdake_ | whats with the 42 | 20:34 |
| sdake_ | meaning of life? :) | 20:34 |
| randallburt | the universe? | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | shrug | 20:34 |
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| SpamapS | sdake_: 6*7 | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | and there will be (at least) a summit session about this, but it would be nice if we were some way down the track in reaching a consensus | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | doesn't really matter, just splating some ideas down | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | I think the ML discussion is going well and your proposal has definitely helped guide the discussion with actual concrete examples. | 20:35 |
| lrengan | If there is interest I would like a discussion about cross-vm synchronization and data exchange | 20:35 |
| lrengan | stevebaker: I really like several elements of your proposal | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | lrengan: I do think that is out of scope for those blueprints, but it is the next Big Problem to solve | 20:37 |
| lrengan | I am wondering the possibility of including a higher-level synchronization construct | 20:37 |
| sdake_ | use case? | 20:37 |
| lrengan | in the ML there seems to some consensus emerging about this | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | my feeling on that is that it can easily be implemented as a standalone service and would be extremely useful even without Heat. | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | The thing is, everybody who has implemented their own orchestration has an opinion on this - and that seems to be a lot of people ;) | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | we can't just add features from all of them | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | else we will have a mess | 20:38 |
| lrengan | SpamapS: I agree it can be implemented as a separate service, but I think if Heat is serious about support software config it has have some mechanisms that it can reason about | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | agreed, we can, however, add an interface which all of them can implement. :) | 20:39 |
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| lrengan | Heat picks an order for creation of resources and if the ordering and synchronization among the software is not exposed to Heat | 20:40 |
| tspatzier | I think we need to define the core primtives that have to be added to Heat / HOT to support that potential higher-level service, and which would work for other such implementations as well | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | lrengan, I think you need to flesh out how this would look in Heat | 20:40 |
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| asalkeld | what would a template look like | 20:41 |
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| asalkeld | what code changes would be needed etc.. | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | but also how it would be implemented | 20:41 |
| m4dcoder_ | and using a concrete example in the template | 20:41 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I agree, concrete example, interfaces and proposals for features are what we need atm | 20:41 |
| lrengan | yes, I can provide those details. | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | I have some ideas how it could look in HOT using Steve's component system. As Zane alluded to though, it shouldn't be "here's how Puppet talks to Heat" but "here's a handle random thing. Hit me with my API there." | 20:41 |
| tspatzier | yes, lrengan can you draft a template that shows the element you think would be needed in a template? | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | at the moment it is really hard to figure out what you suggestion is really | 20:41 |
| lrengan | I do have an prototype implementation with some info captured in the metadata section in Heat | 20:42 |
| lrengan | the prototype uses zookeeper | 20:42 |
| sdake_ | ugh | 20:42 |
| lrengan | However, neither of these choices are required | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | so lrengan we support Heat in standalone | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | where heat is not installed in the cloud | 20:43 |
| lrengan | there are several alternatives one can pursue … for example, replace zookeeper by the heat metadata service | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | we might also want to support multi cloud | 20:43 |
| asalkeld | just keep that in mind | 20:43 |
| sdake_ | good, i am really negative about zookeeper as a dependency | 20:43 |
| shardy | lrengan: you mean heat resource metadata? | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | For me, I struggle to think of a deployment that doesn't have a 3 part initialization sync that looks something like this: "create it. tell other side about it. enable access for other side to it" | 20:43 |
| shardy | there is no heat metadata service anymore | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | not necessarily in that order :) | 20:43 |
| sdake_ | SpamapS I think that requires an agent on both ends to configure the nodes | 20:44 |
| sdake_ | eg runtime config | 20:44 |
| lrengan | shardy: yes heat resource metadata is what I used for the proof-of-concept prototype | 20:44 |
| shardy | lrengan: Ok, details of what you're doing would be interesting (to the ML) | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | sdake_: it doesn't if you can feed access details in from Heat. | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | lrengan: it would be interesting if you could adapt what you've done to my components proposal | 20:45 |
| lrengan | stevebaker: in fact, that is exactly what I was doing since morning … trying to see how it can fit into your components proposal | 20:46 |
| lrengan | :) | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | anyway, lets keep the ball rolling on the mailing list, I think it has gone well, and we should continuet hat discussion there. | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | should we put a pin in this for now? | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 20:46 |
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| stevebaker | get amongst it | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | just to spitball this idea.. | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS has the talking stick | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | We've been looking at how to upgrade openstack using images.. | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | So there's a case where we might have 20 nodes, and we just want Heat to replace them when we change the image.. | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | BUT, we want the replacement to proceed like this: | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | * create new one | 20:48 |
| SpamapS | * wait for new one to signal that it is ready | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | * delete old one immediately | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | We can't delete all of the old ones at the end, because hardware is expensive. | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | But we don't want to delete the old one until it is actually ready. | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | It is related to rolling updates.. as rolling updates will end up using the same mechanism. But.. well, does anybody else want it to work this way? | 20:50 |
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| m4dcoder_ | compose an instance group dynamically and then set update policy with batch size of 1 | 20:50 |
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| SpamapS | how does that wait for the ready signal? | 20:51 |
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| lrengan | is this a case for a construct/feature like "replace" ? | 20:52 |
| m4dcoder_ | yes, zane proposed to put a bp on something similar to wait for any waitcondition before next batch. | 20:52 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: maybe that is another use for the new sync/messaging, and we can have some implicit messages for compute events (config starting, config done) | 20:52 |
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| lrengan | replace = create new one + wait for a signal from new one + delete old one | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I could do it relatively easily with just wait conditions as long as there is a way to zero them out on updates. | 20:53 |
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| SpamapS | (which, there is.. just tweak the properties and/or name to replace it each time) | 20:54 |
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| SpamapS | anyway, I will take the large scale silence as "haven't thought about it" and bring it up on ML soon when I'm more ready to discuss. | 20:54 |
| SpamapS | that is all from me | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | sounds like a valid use case | 20:55 |
| lrengan | the deleted machine .. would you be reusing it again in the same deploy? | 20:55 |
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| lrengan | if so don't need to make sure the delete is complete too? | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | lrengan: that is nova's job. | 20:55 |
| SpamapS | it isn't available again in the pool until the nova driver has said the machine is deleted. | 20:55 |
| lrengan | ok, got it. | 20:56 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS: do you know if a waitcondition gets reset on server replace currently? | 20:57 |
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| lrengan | SpamapS: just curious: how do you handle errors for such updates? | 20:58 |
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| stevebaker | time to move this to #heat. Thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
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| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 16 20:59:52 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-16-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-16-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-10-16-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| reed | hi fifieldt | 23:10 |
| reed | hi fifieldt_ | 23:10 |
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| fifieldt_ | hi reed | 23:11 |
| fifieldt_ | greetings from Sydney | 23:11 |
| fifieldt_ | on 4g, so random dropouts | 23:12 |
| reed | travelling eh? | 23:12 |
| fifieldt_ | just a day here | 23:12 |
| fifieldt_ | giving a presentation in an hour or so | 23:12 |
| fifieldt_ | home in time for dinner | 23:12 |
| fifieldt_ | IBM events | 23:12 |
| reed | you can push changes to your affiliation on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack-infra/activity-board,n,z | 23:13 |
| fifieldt_ | cool | 23:13 |
| reed | like Ben didhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/51945/ | 23:13 |
| reed | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51945/ | 23:13 |
| fifieldt_ | jut checking though: the future is to get this from the membership db? | 23:13 |
| reed | yes ... not sure when that will happen | 23:14 |
| reed | it's already coming from there, at least most of it | 23:14 |
| reed | though there is lots of manual cleanup involved so mistakes are likely to happen | 23:14 |
| fifieldt_ | right now people are updating their affiliation in 3 places: gitdm, stackalytics and here. so far this is the least accurate :) | 23:15 |
| fifieldt_ | we need to fix that | 23:15 |
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| lifeless | gitdm 4 eva | 23:17 |
| fifieldt_ | 16 hour stint debugging a havana install yesterday | 23:18 |
| reed | fifieldt_, how do you base your statement that this is the least accurate? | 23:18 |
| fifieldt_ | based on the experiences I have at lunch with the NeCTAR crew :) | 23:19 |
| fifieldt_ | who are users of the software | 23:19 |
| reed | which software? | 23:19 |
| fifieldt_ | it may be a perception issue | 23:19 |
| reed | yeah, indeed... it may be just a perception. Consider that the amount of people tracked in the Members db is much higher than those tracked in gitdm | 23:20 |
| reed | lots of new contributors in this release, whose data is not in gitdm afaik | 23:20 |
| reed | probably they count for .0x% of total so it won't matter for the top contributors | 23:21 |
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| reed | it can only get better :) | 23:22 |
| reed | btw, where are the gitdm files kept nowadays? | 23:22 |
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| gabrielcw | Hello | 23:59 |
| Daisy | Hello, gabrielcw | 23:59 |
| ujuc | hi :) | 23:59 |
| Daisy | Good evening | 23:59 |
| gabrielcw | :) | 23:59 |
| Daisy | Good moring, ujuc | 23:59 |
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