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| fifieldt_ | hello | 12:54 |
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| fifieldt_ | anyone here for DocTeamMeeting? | 12:54 |
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| chandankumar | fifieldt, yes | 12:55 |
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| dnavale | hello, fifieldt_ | 12:56 |
| fifieldt_ | hi dnavale, chandankumar | 12:56 |
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| chandankumar | fifieldt_, hello | 12:56 |
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| fifieldt | we've also got a freshly awoken annegentle | 12:57 |
| fifieldt | possibly an EmilienM | 12:57 |
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| summerl | hey fifieldt | 12:57 |
| fifieldt | and a summerl! | 12:57 |
| EmilienM | hey | 12:57 |
| fifieldt | maybe even a koolhead17 | 12:57 |
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| fifieldt | or a sgordon | 12:58 |
| EmilienM | 2 min in advance :D | 12:58 |
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| sgordon | now now | 12:58 |
| koolhead17 | hi all | 12:58 |
| fifieldt | have to start on time | 12:58 |
| sgordon | i have a whole three minutes | 12:58 |
| sgordon | ;p | 12:58 |
| annegentle | heh | 12:58 |
| * fifieldt is sooooo sleeeppppyyy | 12:58 | |
| * summerl just took a pre-meeting nap | 12:58 | |
| fifieldt | nice one | 12:59 |
| * fifieldt has never managed to do that, and wake up again | 12:59 | |
| summerl | :) | 12:59 |
| annegentle | short naps are an art | 12:59 |
| EmilienM | short = 1 hour ? | 13:00 |
| annegentle | Ok let's get started | 13:00 |
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| annegentle | #startmeeting Docteammeeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 13:00:17 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Docteammeeting)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting' | 13:00 |
| annegentle | Agenda is here | 13:00 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:00 |
| * ttx lurks | 13:00 | |
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| annegentle | I know we're all itching to talk install but let's circle back on the action items from last time | 13:00 |
| annegentle | heh first one was "Merge in install guide as-is" | 13:01 |
| fifieldt | done :D | 13:01 |
| annegentle | all the action items might be install related anyway | 13:01 |
| annegentle | annegentle to work on glance conceptual intro, and swift | 13:01 |
| annegentle | install" | 13:01 |
| annegentle | also done | 13:01 |
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| annegentle | sgordon to share patterns for nova <--- for release notes? | 13:01 |
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| sgordon | i wrote the vast majority of the nova release notes | 13:02 |
| fifieldt | nice work sgordon | 13:02 |
| annegentle | sgordon: nice. | 13:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#OpenStack_Compute_.28Nova.29 | 13:02 |
| annegentle | annegentle to dive into glance new features for release notes | 13:02 |
| annegentle | oh I haven't started on this ^^ | 13:02 |
| annegentle | then there's NickChase deep dive into Neutron new features | 13:02 |
| sgordon | SMEs for vmware, powervm, vmwareapi and xen wrote those specific bits | 13:02 |
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| annegentle | I don't think Nick's online | 13:03 |
| summerl | ? annegentle, image notes are done | 13:03 |
| annegentle | summerl: awesome | 13:03 |
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| annegentle | guess that's why I took that one, ha ha | 13:03 |
| annegentle | nermina to study ceilometer features for rel notes <--- how's that one? | 13:03 |
| summerl | annegentle, I volunteered at the last bit | 13:03 |
| annegentle | sgordon: that's a thing of beauty | 13:04 |
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| summerl | percale did the review | 13:04 |
| annegentle | koolhead17 to ask Swift PTL notmyname for feature set for release notes | 13:04 |
| annegentle | and then last was ^^ | 13:04 |
| annegentle | summerl: I don't see you in the action items from the meeting minutes but that's ok | 13:04 |
| annegentle | summerl: oh did you do the image notes? | 13:05 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: yes will get it | 13:05 |
| summerl | oh well, annegentle, did it anyway :) | 13:05 |
| annegentle | summerl: thank you! | 13:05 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: notmyname is in Austin only :) | 13:05 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah I saw that, but you did ask him right? So you can call the action item done | 13:05 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: sure | 13:06 |
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| annegentle | Ok I think we call all those action items a wrap | 13:06 |
| annegentle | On to the favorite topic | 13:06 |
| annegentle | #topic Install guides | 13:06 |
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| annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/havanainstall | 13:06 |
| annegentle | and | 13:06 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HavanaDocTesting | 13:06 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: you want to walk us through latest? | 13:06 |
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| fifieldt | ok, sure | 13:07 |
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| fifieldt | so in recent days we've added quite a few new sections to the install guide | 13:07 |
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| fifieldt | it seems like: overview, basic OS, identity, image, dashboard are done and known good | 13:07 |
| fifieldt | object storage is likely good to go as well | 13:08 |
| fifieldt | we also have added sections on networking for compute, neutron, heat and ceilometer that might be passable | 13:08 |
| fifieldt | block storage too | 13:08 |
| fifieldt | but the testing matrix (the wiki link) shows the current working status | 13:08 |
| fifieldt | basically if it doesn't have a green tick, we don't know if it works | 13:08 |
| fifieldt | if it's a warning sign, it means we haven't written it yet | 13:09 |
| fifieldt | as far as I can tell we still do not have a working compute install | 13:09 |
| annegentle | does anyone know if others are successfully installing havana compute? | 13:09 |
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| nermina | hi everyone | 13:09 |
| fifieldt | hi nermina | 13:09 |
| shaunm_ | I'm still working through the nova networking stuff, but otherwise yes | 13:09 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: we have 100 options are we talking about compute with KVM | 13:09 |
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| fifieldt | the nova conroller stuff appears to work | 13:10 |
| koolhead17 | also am going through the swift/ubuntu install guide will comment/finish reviewing soon | 13:10 |
| annegentle | shaunm_: ok so Fedora is done for Compute? | 13:11 |
| fifieldt | which is enough to test the dashboard .... but without compute nodes with networking, it's not so useful for other things :) | 13:11 |
| annegentle | it's ubuntu we can't quite get yet? | 13:11 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: you have to change 100 options from the default? That seems bad | 13:11 |
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| fifieldt | that's not true, annegentle .... | 13:11 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: ok | 13:11 |
| annegentle | is a VM a good-enough install test? | 13:12 |
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| fifieldt | it's how I "grew up" on openstack, so I'd say yes :) | 13:12 |
| EmilienM | running tempest is the best option | 13:13 |
| fifieldt | I don't believe networking is working under any distribution right now | 13:13 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: ok good | 13:13 |
| shaunm_ | annegentle: excepting networking, yes. I wanted to briefly look back over the sections leading up to compute before putting the check mark on the wiki, because I know there were changes | 13:13 |
| annegentle | EmilienM: oh, how do you mean? | 13:13 |
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| annegentle | shaunm_: ok got it | 13:13 |
| EmilienM | annegentle: we are deploying havana, against several os, to test if all was right, we run tempest | 13:13 |
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| fifieldt | not useful in this case EmilienM - we're mainly testing instructions | 13:14 |
| fifieldt | shaunm_, but network is the hardest part of nova :) | 13:14 |
| EmilienM | that ensures you functionnality coverage | 13:14 |
| annegentle | EmilienM: ah ok, but yeah, we need to manually install | 13:14 |
| EmilienM | fifieldt: make sense :) | 13:14 |
| shaunm_ | fifieldt, and hence it's the thing most in need of good docs :) | 13:14 |
| annegentle | my sense is that we're in a similar position as we were for Grizzly - networking is far, far behind in docs. Suggestions? | 13:14 |
| fifieldt | yes, but I don't like to hear things are "almost done" when they still need networking ... it's just not true :) | 13:15 |
| annegentle | how to communicate this to the rest of OpenStack? And when? | 13:15 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: oh I'm with ya :) | 13:15 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: we need to get some core devs help to fix it :) | 13:15 |
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| shaunm_ | fifieldt, did you just write that section from memory? you didn't run the commands? | 13:15 |
| fifieldt | I wrote the section derived from a random assortment of sources | 13:16 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: well, we have some neutron folks talking about ml2 writing, but no patches yet | 13:16 |
| fifieldt | the commands will run, but they are likely to be unsuccesful in practice | 13:16 |
| shaunm_ | it actually has the user configuring quite a bit more stuff than the grizzly install docs did | 13:16 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: we need to run after them :D | 13:16 |
| annegentle | shaunm_: the networking stuff that got added last night has use cases | 13:16 |
| fifieldt | indeed shaunm_ but we're going for multi-host | 13:17 |
| fifieldt | annegentle, that's for neutron | 13:17 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: well sure, but in 2 days I don't expect miracles... so what do we need to do | 13:17 |
| fifieldt | I think we're still talking about compute | 13:17 |
| fifieldt | compute networking* section | 13:17 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yeah are you talking nova-network or neutron? | 13:17 |
| fifieldt | nova-network | 13:17 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: ok | 13:17 |
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| koolhead17 | fifieldt: via nova-network it should be easy | 13:18 |
| nermina | fifieldt, annegentle, has anyone looked at ch_installcompute? | 13:18 |
| shaunm_ | as it's written, it's a bit more magic than I'd like. but first priority is for it to be functional | 13:18 |
| annegentle | shaunm_: ah magic. sigh. | 13:18 |
| fifieldt | I just filled out the section with what I think has the best chance of working | 13:18 |
| summerl | nermina, yes, but as you saw, I fell. Hard. | 13:19 |
| fifieldt | koolhead17, if you have a working set of config for nova-network ... | 13:19 |
| annegentle | yes I think the main goal is testing, and we need instructions to test | 13:19 |
| nermina | oh, i didn't see. sorry, summerl | 13:19 |
| annegentle | summerl: ouch! | 13:19 |
| summerl | yes, it wasn't pretty. | 13:19 |
| fifieldt | that was the aim of the patch, to hopefully get some people debugging the stuff and make it work | 13:19 |
| summerl | sgordon, have you looked at the compute chapter? | 13:19 |
| annegentle | ok, here's the question, who has time and access to systems to test? | 13:20 |
| fifieldt | the compute network patch that is | 13:20 |
| annegentle | I know shaunm_ has fedora systems to test | 13:20 |
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| shaunm_ | I'm working through fifieldt's nova-network stuff now | 13:20 |
| annegentle | I think fifieldt has ubuntu, and I can do ubuntu (but networking is NOT my strong suit) | 13:20 |
| annegentle | shaunm_: ok good | 13:20 |
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| nermina | i will ask our folks but don't want to promise | 13:20 |
| annegentle | #action shaunm_ testing nova-network on Fedora | 13:20 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt: nopes | 13:20 |
| annegentle | nermina: ok, fair enough | 13:20 |
| sgordon | summerl, i've looked at it yes, but as far as networking for compute i havent really touched it | 13:20 |
| annegentle | I think part of our communication back to the community is that the testing is very difficult and requires hardware | 13:21 |
| sgordon | as 99% of what i've looked at with networking is neutron | 13:21 |
| nermina | tell me exactly what needs testing, annegentle, so i can be specific | 13:21 |
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| fifieldt | specific testing instructions: follow the manuals for a given section, dumbly, to the letter, and see if it works as advertised | 13:21 |
| fifieldt | distro/section combos requiring this can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HavanaDocTesting | 13:21 |
| nermina | thanks, fifieldt | 13:22 |
| annegentle | nermina: sure, looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HavanaDocTesting, ask if they can test ubuntu or RHEL for Compute | 13:22 |
| nermina | i will follow up today | 13:22 |
| nermina | you can hold me to that | 13:22 |
| annegentle | nermina: thank you | 13:22 |
| annegentle | Ok, any other discussion on install? | 13:22 |
| shaunm_ | on that list, CentOS is probably a low priority | 13:22 |
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| shaunm_ | as long as RHEL tests OK | 13:23 |
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| annegentle | shaunm_: yeah I'd agree | 13:23 |
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| nermina | good to know | 13:23 |
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| fifieldt | indeed two complete distros are better than many incomplete | 13:23 |
| annegentle | I'll ask a ton of questions as I test | 13:23 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: that would be fantastic | 13:24 |
| annegentle | oh, I do want to say, I'm creating a branch tomorrow that is our release candidate | 13:24 |
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| summerl | Ok, so no updates now, annegentle, in other guides? | 13:24 |
| fifieldt | so we'll need to do the whole backporting thing to update the install guide? | 13:24 |
| annegentle | and I'll rebase with whatever gets in by Thursday morning my time | 13:24 |
| annegentle | (really it's cut on ttx time) | 13:24 |
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| annegentle | actually, let's talk about fifieldt's question | 13:25 |
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| annegentle | I think we cut a branch and have to backport | 13:25 |
| annegentle | I can't think of another way | 13:25 |
| fifieldt | my thinking was more along the lines of: with the current state of the install guide, is it worth cutting? | 13:25 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt: i just asked pranav/aptira for the networking help | 13:25 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: thanks | 13:26 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: that's certainly up for discussion | 13:26 |
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| fifieldt | personally, I think we need to see how the compute stuff ends up | 13:27 |
| annegentle | and what we need to communicate to the openstack community if its different from our planning all along | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | if we can't get a tested compute install going | 13:27 |
| annegentle | backporting is not all that terrible | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | then a "come back in 2 days" message | 13:27 |
| shaunm_ | are there people wanting to add stuff to master that isn't for havana? | 13:27 |
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| annegentle | shaunm_: nope | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | is better than releasing a guide that doesn't work | 13:27 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt: yeah and my sense is that the chances of the guide working in 24 hours isn't great | 13:28 |
| annegentle | ok, so the "other way" is to not cut a release branch | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | we need to set some deadline though | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | we really can't let this slip | 13:28 |
| annegentle | Yes, I was just going to say, I refuse to go to the summit again with non-released docs | 13:28 |
| annegentle | if I have to release without install I will | 13:28 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: right. | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | I don't think releasing without install is a good option either | 13:29 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt: ok | 13:29 |
| annegentle | other ideas? | 13:29 |
| nermina | i will respond on compute within the next hour | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | cheers nermina! | 13:29 |
| annegentle | nermina: ok thanks! | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | we need to call in all favours and just get it done | 13:29 |
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| annegentle | Ok, let's all report in about 12 hours on the mailing list | 13:29 |
| shaunm_ | we can drop later chapters if they're not ready | 13:29 |
| annegentle | We'll keep triaging this guy every 12 hours | 13:30 |
| annegentle | And do a go-no-go vote via the mailing list | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | I think we should be making phone calls to people at this stage | 13:30 |
| annegentle | sound ok? | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | rather than just emails | 13:30 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: fair | 13:30 |
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| fifieldt | if we don't have the skill to write the nova-network section | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | we need to find someone who does | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | and do that within the next 12 hours | 13:31 |
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| fifieldt | get it tested | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | and then release | 13:31 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: any ideas who? | 13:31 |
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| fifieldt | all my guys are already asleep :) sans people like our ops guide co-authors | 13:31 |
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| fifieldt | joe, jon etc | 13:31 |
| annegentle | oh yeah Joe saved our butts last time :) | 13:32 |
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| nermina | blast it on the mailing lists as well? | 13:32 |
| annegentle | nermina: yep, that sounds right | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | these guys are pro at debugging systems - if we can get a testbed going based on our install that they can ssh into and just "fix" | 13:32 |
| koolhead17 | dguitarbite1: is going to help us with the networking part annegentle | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | that might be a good way to do it | 13:32 |
| dguitarbite1 | hi | 13:32 |
| annegentle | #action AnneGentle to email the openstack list asking for help | 13:32 |
| nermina | might be good to send the structure | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | dguitarbite1, fix this: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/nova-network.html so it works | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | :) | 13:32 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite1: awesome, do you have what you need? | 13:33 |
| nermina | :) | 13:33 |
| dguitarbite1 | fifieldt: kool | 13:33 |
| dguitarbite1 | annegentle: yes | 13:33 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite1: thanks much | 13:33 |
| dguitarbite1 | i got quantum working with OVS | 13:33 |
| annegentle | dguitarbite1: ok definitely update then! | 13:33 |
| dguitarbite1 | even inside Virtual Box it runs perfect :) | 13:33 |
| koolhead17 | dguitarbite1: ^^ | 13:34 |
| annegentle | ok sorry gotta keep moving | 13:34 |
| annegentle | #topic Doc tools updates | 13:34 |
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| annegentle | We do need to go to 1.11.1 for Havana for the API site for certain, for other docs they can stay at 1.11.0 | 13:34 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/clouddocs-maven-plugin#release-notes | 13:34 |
| annegentle | we needed this one: Updated apipage-main.xsl to include metering API | 13:35 |
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| annegentle | the log a bug link has been working well! | 13:35 |
| nermina | loves it! | 13:35 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 13:35 |
| annegentle | we also need Rename "Template" parameters as "URI" parameters in output for API docs, hence the 1.11.1 release. | 13:35 |
| annegentle | In case you're wondering how releases work, check out https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Release#Actions_on_Final_Branch | 13:36 |
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| annegentle | those are all the actions on the final branch | 13:36 |
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| annegentle | one thing I'm not sure about, is whether I have to cut a second final branch to make sure the sitemap.xml is accurate. | 13:36 |
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| annegentle | since the branch has to be built on to get docs.openstack.org/havana | 13:36 |
| annegentle | and without the /havana, the sitemap won't be accurate | 13:37 |
| annegentle | I am also seeing reports of people not getting redirected as expected, most recent is from today https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1240059 | 13:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1240059 in openstack-manuals "Redirects aren't working right in grizzly docs to new documents" [High,Confirmed] | 13:37 |
| annegentle | any questions on doc tools? | 13:37 |
| annegentle | #topic Bug report, DocImpact state | 13:37 |
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| annegentle | Ok, as fifieldt noted on the list, DocImact wasn't working for about the month of September/half of October | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | apologies all :( | 13:38 |
| annegentle | it got fixed by infra yesterday, and I wrangled the rest into the system | 13:38 |
| annegentle | I think the net add was just a dozen or so, WHEW | 13:38 |
| annegentle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/havana | 13:38 |
| annegentle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+milestone/havana | 13:39 |
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| annegentle | I'm pretty excited about 82 confirmed and 146 Fix Released though | 13:39 |
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| annegentle | We can have a LOT of pride in this release overall. A LOT. | 13:40 |
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| annegentle | Even if install is kicking our asses. | 13:40 |
| annegentle | :) | 13:40 |
| nermina | we'll get it done | 13:40 |
| annegentle | ok any questions on doc bugs? | 13:40 |
| annegentle | nermina: +1000 | 13:41 |
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| annegentle | #topic Design Summit sessions | 13:41 |
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| annegentle | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 13:41 |
| annegentle | You can click the Topic column to sort | 13:41 |
| annegentle | There are four proposed for Documentation and we have four slots, but can move things around as needed, so do propose by end of this week or next | 13:42 |
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| fifieldt | also create blueprints | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yes | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: Diane has a blueprint but isn't going to the Summit, about API docs, that I'll probably discuss during the restructure one | 13:43 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: if you don't mind using the restructure as a catch-all | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | sure, I don't even recall what the original idea I had in mind was | 13:43 |
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| annegentle | "Following from the session at the previous summit[1][2], let's take stock. Assessing how we did in our restructure efforts over Havana, and plan what structural work is needed over the next cycle or two." | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | sounds reasonable | 13:44 |
| annegentle | ok | 13:44 |
| annegentle | #topic Open Discussion | 13:44 |
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| annegentle | I do want to talk about meeting times summerl :) | 13:44 |
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| summerl | :) | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | zzzz | 13:45 |
| chandankumar | fifieldt, i would like to work on this, Tool to get statistic data in Transifex | 13:45 |
| annegentle | well let's take one step back, is this meeting nice for status? | 13:45 |
| annegentle | work division? | 13:45 |
| annegentle | news-gathering? | 13:45 |
| annegentle | what are the goals for this meeting? | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | sounds great chandankumar, let's discus offline? I need to sleep soon | 13:46 |
| chandankumar | yes | 13:46 |
| summerl | annegentle, I think I'm just a wuss, everyone else on the team is all like, yeah, nighttime. | 13:46 |
| fifieldt | random data point: I am beginning to like the idea of little mini-meets during the timezone overlaps AU->EU, EU->US, US->AU | 13:46 |
| annegentle | summerl: heh I'm a morning wuss (and missed too many early ones I'll admit)! I'm also a nightime wuss. | 13:46 |
| annegentle | Double wuss status! | 13:46 |
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| summerl | !! | 13:47 |
| openstack | summerl: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | :D | 13:47 |
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| annegentle | We have weekly-ish newsletters What's Up Doc and weekly office hours, what can the meeting fill? | 13:47 |
| nermina | lol | 13:47 |
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| annegentle | (I'm really just asking, not asking leading questions) | 13:47 |
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| annegentle | You'll also notice my fellow Rackers aren't at this one and it's only 8 here | 13:48 |
| annegentle | so yeah | 13:48 |
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| annegentle | want to figure out the best goals for meetings | 13:48 |
| fifieldt | strawman: forming fast consensus on difficult aspects that have previously been raised on the mailing list | 13:48 |
| nermina | it's just as needed, right, if someone is on | 13:48 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yeah I want to talk more about the positives of meetings and how to fill the needs | 13:49 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: we know the difficulties, so what can we do to meet needs? | 13:49 |
| annegentle | summerl: do you really like a check-in time? | 13:49 |
| summerl | Definitely good for critical situations, annegentle | 13:49 |
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| annegentle | summerl: yep totally agree | 13:49 |
| annegentle | and sgordon came up with 2x a month nearing the release | 13:50 |
| annegentle | what's best for post release? | 13:50 |
| annegentle | Not trying to over complicate either! :) | 13:50 |
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| annegentle | if we should meet weekly because all the other programs do, there's that too. I was hoping office hours filled that need | 13:50 |
| annegentle | but office hours attendance has dropped | 13:50 |
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| annegentle | maybe office hours could go to my evening/ Aus day? | 13:51 |
| annegentle | and we find a new meeting time? | 13:51 |
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| fifieldt | in terms of regularity, I like it when I login of a morning and annegentle tells me what's going on, then I can pass the messages on to AJaeger in the afternoon when he logs in. I find that useful for status. | 13:51 |
| annegentle | think on that, APAC folks, I'd love office hours on your side of the world | 13:51 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yeah that's valueable | 13:52 |
| nermina | about to speak with mirantis qa, annegentle, anything else to test besides compute | 13:52 |
| annegentle | lets' think about an evening time then | 13:52 |
| annegentle | nermina: networking! nova-network and neutron | 13:52 |
| summerl | annegentle, sounds good. | 13:52 |
| * annegentle loves QA/QE | 13:52 | |
| fifieldt | nermina, object storage, heat and ceilometer as well | 13:52 |
| fifieldt | the latter two may just not work at all | 13:53 |
| fifieldt | so tell them to fail fast | 13:53 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: nermina: but definitely top priority networking :) | 13:53 |
| annegentle | heh yes fail fast | 13:53 |
| nermina | sure | 13:53 |
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| annegentle | ok, anything else? | 13:53 |
| annegentle | I haven't seen any proof of concept on a redesign from Todd Morey, I keep checking in with hi | 13:53 |
| annegentle | him | 13:53 |
| annegentle | oh and Nick Chase is working with Alice King, the Foundation lawyer, on the licensing details | 13:54 |
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| annegentle | they're drafting a memo outlining the issues to go to the board | 13:54 |
| summerl | annegentle, what are the basic issues? | 13:54 |
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| annegentle | Oh and please do vote for me for Technical Committee. I don't usually campaign hard but I do feel it's important | 13:54 |
| summerl | voted! | 13:54 |
| nermina | done | 13:54 |
| fifieldt | oh, I'm sure that's in my inbox somewhere | 13:54 |
| fifieldt | is it closing soon? | 13:54 |
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| annegentle | summerl: in October 2012 the board voted to use CCBY for the docs, but we never did the detail work of how to ensure contributors know the difference, and what to do with legacy licensed docs | 13:55 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: probably this week, right? | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | hmmk | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | oh well | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | bed time for me | 13:55 |
| summerl | annegentle, and that will happen for havana? | 13:55 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TC_Elections_Fall_2013 | 13:55 |
| annegentle | summerl: honestly, hard to say. Since it's been a year since the licensing changed we could face another year of getting the tooling in place :) | 13:56 |
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| summerl | ah, ok. | 13:56 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: good night, and thanks for all the hard work! | 13:56 |
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| annegentle | alrighty! I can't think of anything else! | 13:57 |
| annegentle | Thanks everyone for all the hard work, and pass that to your colleagues as well. I tell Diane and David thanks all the time! | 13:58 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 13:58:03 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2013/docteammeeting.2013-10-15-13.00.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2013/docteammeeting.2013-10-15-13.00.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2013/docteammeeting.2013-10-15-13.00.log.html | 13:58 |
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| alaski | Anyone here for the scheduler meeting? | 15:00 |
| MikeSpreitzer | me | 15:00 |
| toan-tran | yes, I am. hi everyone | 15:00 |
| shanewang1 | me | 15:00 |
| shanewang1 | good evening | 15:01 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting Scheduler | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 15:01:24 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:01 |
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| alaski | hi | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | hi | 15:01 |
| alaski | So we don't have an official agenda today since I'm subbing in | 15:02 |
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| alaski | But we were going to continue the discussion from last week about summit sessions | 15:02 |
| MikeSpreitzer | We have some discussion queued up from the ML | 15:02 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | that too | 15:02 |
| glikson | hi | 15:02 |
| alaski | yes, I figured we could get to ML after a summit discussion | 15:02 |
| MikeSpreitzer | OK | 15:03 |
| PaulMurray | I think we were going to get back to scheduler session too - if @PhilDay is here | 15:03 |
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| PhilD | Hi Folks | 15:03 |
| PaulMurray | here he is | 15:03 |
| alaski | Is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IceHouse-Nova-Scheduler-Sessions erroring for anyone else? | 15:03 |
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| alaski | #topic Summit sessions | 15:03 |
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| PhilD | I had trouble with it in Chrome - but could get to it in IE | 15:04 |
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| shanewang1 | me too | 15:04 |
| PhilD | I assume some problem with the Etherpad changes | 15:04 |
| PaulMurray | Yes - it is for me @alaski | 15:04 |
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| alaski | ok, works in FF but not Chrome for me | 15:05 |
| alaski | PhilD: do you want to recap your suggestion for sessions? | 15:05 |
| glikson | works for me in Chrome.. | 15:05 |
| toan-tran | it works for me in chrome, version 30.0.1599.6 | 15:05 |
| MikeSpreitzer | As for content, I like Phil's revised trio | 15:05 |
| MikeSpreitzer | for the case where we get only 3 sessions | 15:05 |
| PhilD | Sure. We have three guaranteed slots from Russell - so I was trying to make sure that we cover all of the major topics | 15:05 |
| PhilD | Group scheduling, Making other Metrics available, and performance | 15:06 |
| PhilD | And then I tried to map teh proposed sessions (from both the EP and submitted) into those | 15:06 |
| PhilD | Some other things will need to take thier chance against the general pool of sessions | 15:07 |
| alaski | ok, so smart resource placement and instance group model would be combined? | 15:07 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | yes | 15:07 |
| PhilD | I think the best we can do is say to RB "If there are only three slots - please cut it this way" - if tehre is an extra slot, please split this one up | 15:07 |
| Yathi | I don't like the idea of combining | 15:07 |
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| russellb | alaski volunteered to help with building the schedule, so if he understands the priorities of this group, we should be set :) | 15:08 |
| Yathi | It is a lot of big topics combined into a single session | 15:08 |
| russellb | i'm pulling in some folks to help with some of the hard decisions ... | 15:08 |
| PhilD | @alaski - its not great I agree, but the alternatiove is that we don;t proivde any steer, and they they get combined in some other way instead | 15:08 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Like Phil said, our top ask would be to split that session | 15:08 |
| russellb | btw, i really appreciate the hard work you guys are doing with planning this stuff | 15:08 |
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| PhilD | Thanks Russell | 15:09 |
| alaski | russellb: thanks | 15:09 |
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| PhilD | What surprised me was that Boris doesn't seem to have submitted a performance session yet ? | 15:09 |
| alaski | yeah, I'm a little surprised too | 15:09 |
| shanewang1 | probably he forgot | 15:10 |
| alaski | I'll try to ping him about that | 15:10 |
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| alaski | boris-42: are you here? | 15:10 |
| boris-42 | alaski always here=) | 15:10 |
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| alaski | boris-42: :) | 15:10 |
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| alaski | are you going to submit a session around scheduler performance, or should someone else? | 15:10 |
| boris-42 | alaski we almost finish work around refactoring scheduler | 15:11 |
| boris-42 | alaski and yes I will get results before & after | 15:11 |
| russellb | boris-42: but a design summit session, did you plan to submit one? | 15:11 |
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| boris-42 | russellb there is already for scheduler | 15:12 |
| Yathi | PhilD: Debo and I felt combining Group APIs, Smart Resource Placement, Heat and Scheduling into a single session, it is going to be hard to give justice to everything.. | 15:12 |
| boris-42 | russellb it seems that we have at least 3-4 concepts =) | 15:12 |
| russellb | which, this one? http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/34 | 15:12 |
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| russellb | boris-42: yep | 15:12 |
| MikeSpreitzer | oh | 15:12 |
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| alaski | Yathi: I think it would just be group apis and smart resource placement | 15:12 |
| boris-42 | russelbb I don't thing that this is right session | 15:12 |
| russellb | boris-42: which session are you referring to then? | 15:13 |
| boris-42 | russellb wait a sec i will found | 15:13 |
| russellb | ok | 15:13 |
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| boris-42 | find* | 15:13 |
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| boris-42 | russellb omg | 15:13 |
| PhilD | @Yathi - I underdstand the concern, really I do, but as always we have more material / ideas / proposed sessions than slots - so whatever way we cut this will be a compromise. | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | russellb oh I thought that there is a session | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | grayk ping | 15:14 |
| glikson | I tend to agree with Yathi that having an in-depth discussion on all of that would be a challenge. ideally, we can narrow-down the scope to something that we actually plan to implement in Icehouse timeframe.. | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | garyk ping | 15:14 |
| alaski | boris-42: garyk isn't here today | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | alaski omg | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:14 |
| boris-42 | russellb there is a big thread in mailing list | 15:15 |
| alaski | boris-42: do you want to propose a session for this? | 15:15 |
| Yathi | Smart resource placement has a lot of people interested, and there might be even something to demo, using cross services theme | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | alaski yes | 15:15 |
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| boris-42 | alaski we could discuss all approaches | 15:15 |
| russellb | boris-42: right ... well these guys have been working hard trying to organize schedulre sessions, so that's why they were wondering | 15:15 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Yathi: I would be happy to demo what my group has done | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | russellb I would like to be on their session imho | 15:15 |
| alaski | boris-42: cool. Can you do it today or tomorrow? | 15:15 |
| PhilD | So which of teh other 2 sessions would you drop, scheduler performance or genearlised metrics / ceilometer ? | 15:15 |
| boris-42 | alaski russellb I will add just a session and link to that thread?) | 15:16 |
| PhilD | Both of those topics also have a lot of interest, and a lot to discuss as well | 15:16 |
| glikson | BTW, I also plan to submit a proposal on adding support for multiple scheduler configurations, as indicated in the Etherpad, to discuss the dilemas identified during the work on the blueprint in Havana | 15:16 |
| alaski | boris-42: definitely link the thread if it has good information. But please also summarize it in the proposal | 15:16 |
| Yathi | MikeSpreitzer: Same here, I will be happy to demo too, what our group is doing in this area. | 15:16 |
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| glikson | probably doesn't fit into either of the 3 themes | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | alaski Okay will do today but little bit later | 15:17 |
| alaski | boris-42: that works, thanks | 15:17 |
| PhilD | @glikson - that's fine, I think there can eb other sessiosn that take thier chance against all of th eother porpoosals. What we're trying to do here is work out what the three "must have" scheduler sessions are | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | alaski russellb are you interested in benchmark results? | 15:17 |
| boris-42 | alaski russellb I am testing OpenStack agaisnt 1k servers | 15:17 |
| glikson | PhilD: sure, makes sense | 15:18 |
| MikeSpreitzer | With Boris submitting a session, PhilD's revised trio still looks good, right? | 15:18 |
| alaski | boris-42: benchmarks are good. everyone likes real numbers | 15:18 |
| PhilD | Yep - I'd assumed that Boris would submit a session;-) | 15:18 |
| boris-42 | alaski actually I don't want to speak about numbers | 15:18 |
| MikeSpreitzer | ? | 15:18 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: makes sense to me | 15:18 |
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| boris-42 | alaski I would like to speak about how to get such results on your PC or small amount of servers using Rally | 15:19 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:19 |
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| boris-42 | alaski https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally | 15:19 |
| MikeSpreitzer | oh | 15:19 |
| alaski | even if you don't spend a lot of time on numbers it would be good to hear what you saw | 15:19 |
| shanewang1 | yes, we all are interested in that. | 15:20 |
| PhilD | One thing we have to try and get smart on is how to do the cross team sessions (Nova/Heat), Nova/Celiometer, etc | 15:20 |
| Yathi | are these cross team sessions - separate from the three you are trying to pick here ? | 15:21 |
| MikeSpreitzer | boris-42: I think we were anticipating a session on how to improve scheduling, not how to measure the improvement | 15:21 |
| PhilD | Feels like those are always hard to schedule - and generally slow because both groups have to come up to speed. | 15:21 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer: agreed. That's what I'm expecting | 15:21 |
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| PhilD | I'm asking the question / trawling for ideas really on what we can do to make those effective. | 15:22 |
| boris-42 | MikeSpretizer I am speaking about another one | 15:22 |
| shanewang1 | MikeSpreitzer: better have some numbers to compare those methods on how to improve scheduling | 15:22 |
| alaski | PhilD: My thinking has been that we should start with what needs to be done in each project, and limit the cross team concerns | 15:22 |
| MikeSpreitzer | PhilD: cross anything is tough, you first have to spend more time than you expected learning each other's vocabulary and way of thinking | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | MikeSpreitzer scheduler is one thing, OpenStack benchmark system another | 15:23 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | boris-42: OK, two sessions, got it | 15:23 |
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| MikeSpreitzer | Yes, I definitely like measuring! | 15:23 |
| boris-42 | MikeSpreitzer yeah we have to simplify it | 15:23 |
| MikeSpreitzer | boris-42: now I'm lost, simplify what? | 15:24 |
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| PhilD | Ok - so then we can exclude the Heat aspects from the Group scheduler session and the Celiometer aspects from the metrics one ? | 15:24 |
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| PaulMurray | boris-42 do you mean benchmark system to be in scheduling sessions or elsewhere? | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | MikeSpreitzer simplify benchmarking of openstack deployments. Then we will be able to start continues working around performance | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | PaulMurray NOO | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | =) | 15:24 |
| boris-42 | PaulMurray I will bring only numbers=) | 15:25 |
| MikeSpreitzer | boris-42: understand remark about simplification; thanks | 15:25 |
| PaulMurray | boris-42 thanks :) | 15:25 |
| alaski | PhilD: I think that makes sense if we're trimming to the minimum possible | 15:25 |
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| alaski | So just to summarize, we're looking at "Group scheduling, Making other Metrics available, and performance" | 15:26 |
| alaski | group sheduling would be instance groups and smart resource placement | 15:26 |
| alaski | boris-42: will open a performance session | 15:26 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I'm not sure I understand the remark about trimming #2 | 15:26 |
| PhilD | Yep - that would be my core trio | 15:26 |
| MikeSpreitzer | What is the proposed in scope, what is out, for #2 ? | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | alaski so should I make 2 session? | 15:27 |
| boris-42 | sessions* | 15:27 |
| PhilD | And if there is a chance of a 4th core scheduler session we split group scheduling into "API" and "scheduling implementation" - rather than pick a 4th topic | 15:27 |
| alaski | boris-42: it sounds like it. We want a session on improving scheduler performance, with numbers. And then you can open a session on Rally | 15:27 |
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| boris-42 | alaski Nice thanks | 15:27 |
| shanewang1 | is "making other metrics available" Â Generic Scheduler Metrics and Celiometer? | 15:28 |
| Yathi | Ok. if there are extra sessions available it will be good to see the API discussion separately | 15:28 |
| MikeSpreitzer | Yathi: agreed | 15:28 |
| Yathi | PhilD: that will be good | 15:28 |
| MikeSpreitzer | In fact, quite desired | 15:28 |
| MikeSpreitzer | I hope alaski pushes hard for it | 15:28 |
| alaski | I'll be ready to go with that. But I haven't seen how many sessions are competing for slots right now | 15:29 |
| alaski | I would like more than 3 scheduling sessions if possible | 15:29 |
| Yathi | Smart resource placement topic is too big involving several areas, and also covers cross-services. I hope we have a good start with this during the session allotted | 15:29 |
| PhilD | @shenewangs1 yes - although it sounds as if were agreed to go with focusing on what can be done inside Nova first, rather than risk a cross-team session | 15:30 |
| PhilD | Maybe we should go for a two week summit next time ;-) | 15:30 |
| alaski | Keep in mind that what we really need to cover is work that can be expected to be done in IceHouse, which may help limit scope | 15:30 |
| shanewang1 | @Phil thanks. | 15:30 |
| russellb | alaski: +1 :-) | 15:31 |
| Yathi | alaski: Agreed. Our discussions so far in the ML and in scheduler meeting, is to start simple.. get somethign that works within Nova first | 15:31 |
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| glikson | maybe we can try arranging additional 'unconference' sessions to deep-dive into the more complicated topics.. | 15:31 |
| shanewang1 | @Phil Maybe we should have nova summit, ceilometer summit:) | 15:31 |
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| alaski | Yathi: cool, that seems the best approach | 15:32 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Right. But with an eye towards going holistic. | 15:32 |
| Yathi | I am thinking these 'unconference' sessions will be where we will get to demo our initial progress | 15:32 |
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| shanewang1 | @glikson I like that idea | 15:33 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | But they conflict with official sessions, right? | 15:33 |
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| glikson | MS: yes | 15:33 |
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| Yathi | It is my first summit.. don't know how they work | 15:33 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | sorry, networking glitch, I missed what shanewang1 likes from glikson | 15:33 |
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| alaski | So are we pretty much settled and ready to move on? | 15:33 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | what did glikson say that s. likes? | 15:34 |
| shane-wang | "unconference" | 15:34 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | thanks | 15:34 |
| russellb | if you want to grab space there, do it early | 15:34 |
| russellb | it fills up fast | 15:34 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | my first summit too. Will stop whining now. | 15:34 |
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| shane-wang | my second:) | 15:35 |
| Yathi | how long do the official sessions last ? | 15:35 |
| shane-wang | 20-30min? | 15:35 |
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| alaski | Yathi: 50-60 min I think | 15:35 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | How does one get an unconference slot? | 15:36 |
| Yathi | scheduler sessions will all get 50-60 mins ? | 15:36 |
| shane-wang | :-X | 15:36 |
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| alaski | Yathi: each session will get that time, yes | 15:36 |
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| glikson | could also make sense to try agreeing on acceptable time slots for the unconference before the summit, among the 'core' interested folks (maybe using doodle) | 15:37 |
| Yathi | We have to make sure we get interested people to attend the interesting 'unconference' sessions | 15:38 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | sounds like an interesting idea | 15:38 |
| glikson | probably would need to happen during the last week before the summit, after the design tracks agenda is finalized | 15:39 |
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| Yathi | how do you reserve a 'unconference' session? Is it on the spot ? | 15:39 |
| glikson | Yathi: yes, a whiteboard | 15:39 |
| shane-wang | do we have enough rooms for "unconference", and can two scheduler "unconference"s happen at one time? | 15:39 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | when does the whiteboard open? | 15:39 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | I would not want two competing unconferences for us | 15:40 |
| glikson | MS: when the summit begins | 15:40 |
| alaski | So why don't we come back to this after some/all of the sessions have been scheduled. Then we can see what might need to go into an unconference | 15:40 |
| shane-wang | omg | 15:40 |
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| MikeSpreitzer1 | alaski: sounds good to me | 15:40 |
| glikson | russellb: do you know how many 'unconference' rooms will be available? one or more? | 15:41 |
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| MikeSpreitzer1 | shane-wang: ? | 15:41 |
| shane-wang | alaski: agree | 15:41 |
| shane-wang | omg "when the summit begins" | 15:41 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | ? | 15:41 |
| glikson | alaski: sure. probably would make more sense to have follow-ups rather than completely new topics | 15:41 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer1: how would you title the current ML discussion? I'm not exactly sure where it left off | 15:41 |
| shane-wang | I bet a lot of competition | 15:41 |
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| russellb | glikson: not sure | 15:42 |
| russellb | have to run for lunch, ttyl guys! | 15:42 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Well, there have been a few topics in ML. I am most directly involved in discussion of API (including model) for policy to inform joint decision-making | 15:42 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | (at first just joint in nova) | 15:43 |
| alaski | #topic APIs for Smart Resource Placement | 15:43 |
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| MikeSpreitzer1 | this is step 1 on garyk's three step roadmap; later steps include supporting lower level APIs and implementation. | 15:43 |
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| MikeSpreitzer1 | I think we are pretty converged on the model | 15:44 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Biggest open question is whether Policy gets its own lifecycle... | 15:44 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer1: I just want to clarify that the reason to target Nova first, or any project really is just to get some work done. This topic has come up before but never really got beyond discussion, except for the current Instance Group work | 15:44 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | I do not think it ruins anything, I just think it's an unnecessary nuisance. | 15:44 |
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| MikeSpreitzer1 | alaski: +1 | 15:44 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | I am willing to live with Policy having its own lifecycle, if that's what it takes to get an agreement. | 15:45 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | The other question about Policy is scope. That's really an airy thing, at most a matter of naming, at this point. | 15:45 |
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| Yathi | It is the idea of a Policy model applying outside the scope of an INstance group | 15:46 |
| Yathi | Hence the suggestion for a Policy to have its own lifecycle | 15:46 |
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| Yathi | Not sure if we want to start that discussion here. | 15:47 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | yes | 15:47 |
| Yathi | In terms of the ML discussions for identifying | 15:47 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Well, does anybody have anything to add? | 15:47 |
| alaski | this is a good place for it. we can hash things out more quickly than on the ML | 15:47 |
| Yathi | 'unconference' topics - are we do that here ? | 15:47 |
| alaski | Yathi: I think we should see what scheduler sessions are accepted and then look at the unconference | 15:48 |
| Yathi | alaski: agreed.. the last 3 - 4 scheduler meetings we have made good discussions, and I really liked it | 15:48 |
| Yathi | alaski: ok | 15:48 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | So, anything to add to the ML discussion about Policy objects? | 15:49 |
| toan-tran | hi | 15:49 |
| Yathi | so do you like the latest update to the model diagram | 15:49 |
| toan-tran | I'm new to th group | 15:49 |
| toan-tran | I've read the desc of policy | 15:50 |
| toan-tran | i agee with yathi | 15:50 |
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| toan-tran | that it's indepdent and can have its own cycle | 15:50 |
| Yathi | Like I expressed in the email, let's limit the INstanceGroupPolicy to have only a reference to a policy that is persisted separately and with a lifecycle of its own | 15:50 |
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| Yathi | this common "Policy" object can be used by other InstanceGroups if applicable.. | 15:51 |
| toan-tran | Yathi: +1 | 15:51 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Yathi: I understand your argument, and can live with your revised model. If nobody has any additional considerations, I move for unanimous consent on that model. | 15:51 |
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| Yathi | alaski: do you have any comments ? | 15:52 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | (except that maybe there is a little redundancy that I mentioned in private email) | 15:52 |
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| alaski | Unfortunately other work considerations have kept me from completely understanding the ML discussion right now | 15:52 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | (both policy_uuid and policy_id field in reference object) | 15:53 |
| alaski | so I'm okay with the general consensus | 15:53 |
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| Yathi | MikeSpreitzer1: I think we have a general consensus | 15:53 |
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| Yathi | regarding the other objects in the API model - I hope they look okay too? | 15:54 |
| glikson | Yathi, MS: do we have a clear view of instance groups may evolve to include things other than servers? | 15:54 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Yes, the rest of the model is OK. I sent a note about generalizing attachment from groups to allow resources, don't know if anybody noticed or cared. | 15:54 |
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| alaski | glikson: great question, I'm also interested to understand that | 15:55 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | glikson: I think it's easy, just exapnd the set of resources that can appear in a group | 15:55 |
| Yathi | yeah the instance like I mention in the document, can refer to any resource | 15:55 |
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| glikson | ..only that no other resources exist in Nova DB :-) | 15:55 |
| Yathi | an InstanceGroupMember has a member_id and this id can refer to any resource's UUID | 15:55 |
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| Yathi | glikson: we are starting within Nova | 15:55 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | glikson: right, expanding kinds of resources allowed is connected to later generalizing beyond nova | 15:56 |
| Yathi | but we expect to have a global state repository - | 15:56 |
| alaski | Is there a path to breaking this out of Nova though | 15:56 |
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| Yathi | this is part of the Smart Resource Placement bigger idea | 15:56 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | ooh, good question | 15:56 |
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| Yathi | but starting within Nova first | 15:56 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | I think it can be relatively easy to evolve the API, it will be harder with the implementation. | 15:56 |
| glikson | yeah, so the question is whether merging all the schedulers into one is the only way going forward.. I was wondering whether a more distributed approach would make sense. | 15:57 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | Nobody is proposing to change the existing schedulers, I think | 15:57 |
| toan-tran | one small question: where does user add Connection & Metadata to a group? | 15:57 |
| Yathi | glikson: we have not fully come to that conclusion yet | 15:57 |
| alaski | yeah, the API is what i'm interested in. What does that need to look like as this moves out of Nova | 15:57 |
| Yathi | also, the existing schedulers will continue to work as is | 15:57 |
| toan-tran | I saw POST instance, but not connection | 15:57 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | I note that the existing schedulers can all (more or less) be told a decision already was made by client | 15:57 |
| glikson | Yathi: I don't see how the two can co-exist.. can you elaborate? | 15:58 |
| alaski | MikeSpreitzer1: sort of. They can, but there are no guarantees that it will listen | 15:58 |
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| alaski | s/it/they/ | 15:58 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | alaski: I see making that fully true as a relatively small and easy evolution | 15:58 |
| Yathi | glikson: no concrete thoughts yet, but the idea is for a pluggable scheduler, depending on the current request, hence the existing schedulers can exist | 15:59 |
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| MikeSpreitzer1 | alaski: I mean, let us (when we add holistic scheduling) make the individual existing schedulers all willing to really accept a decision from the client | 15:59 |
| Yathi | the POC code I pushed for a smart solver-based scheduler is a new driver that works within Nova | 15:59 |
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| alaski | MikeSpreitzer1: agreed. In my opinion I would like to rework that API though. get right of scheduler hints and design a better api, since ripping out scheduler hints isn't much at this point | 16:00 |
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| Yathi | guys I think we will need to continue this next time or in the ML | 16:00 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | alaski: OK, refining APIs is good. But later in our roadmap. For now I am satisfied to expect it can be done. | 16:00 |
| alaski | well, we're at time | 16:00 |
| glikson | alaski: any chance you can come up with a brief summary of your thoughts on this? | 16:00 |
| alaski | glikson: which one? multiple schedulers? | 16:01 |
| MikeSpreitzer1 | I'll be watching the ML | 16:01 |
| glikson | alaski: no, reworked API, hints, etc | 16:01 |
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| alaski | glikson: basically I find the hints api lacking. Based on current work let's see what sort of placement api makes sense and move towards that | 16:02 |
| Yathi | we are yet to get to the implementation details behind how the API work will lead to the actual scheduling | 16:02 |
| alaski | but we should give up the channel now | 16:02 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 16:02:39 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-10-15-15.01.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-10-15-15.01.txt | 16:02 |
| alaski | Thanks everyone | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-10-15-15.01.log.html | 16:02 |
| toan-tran | thanks | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 16:03:49 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | hi everyone | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | hi there! | 16:04 |
| luis_fdez | hello :) | 16:04 |
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| dansmith | <-- lurking | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: hi luis, I responded to your last irc via email | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: hi dan | 16:04 |
| luis_fdez | primeministerp, thanks I saw it :) | 16:04 |
| dansmith | howdy | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: hi lurking dan! :-) | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | so guys, sorry for the dely but I just sent out an agenda | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | #topic hyper-v driver splitting discussion | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | so there's been a lot of discussion on the list | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | as of late | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: would you like to summarize | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | quite a long discussion on the ML indeed :-) | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | we're trying to find a solution to make everybody happy | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | let's see from where to start: | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | 1) The Nova teams and the hyper-v teams are basically partitioned | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | the Hyper-V driver team does not commit code to Nova and vice versa | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | 2) the Hyper-V driver code is completely decoupled from Nova | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | (live any other driver on this planet, I'd say :-) ) | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | 3) review time issues and priority management are making this sub-project completely unmanageable for us | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | in particular the H3 phase was a hell | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | lots of interdependent patches which got practically impossible to handle | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | we managed somehow, thanks also to the Nova core devs help in the last 2 days of H3 | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | we missed a couple of BPS, retargeted for Icehouse | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | but what is really bothering IMO, os that we have a couple of high priority bug fixes which didn't merge | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | so we'll need to ship Havana with a couple of patches coming off the tree | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | I definitely don't want to face this situation again | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | :-) | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | in particular IMO we need an independent bug triaging and review mechamism | 16:15 |
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| alexpilotti | and most important, blueprints and bugs prioritisation | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | I see only a few options here: | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | 1) we move the code somewhere else in a separate repo (e.g.: cloudbase/nova) | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | 2) we move the code somewhere else in a separate repo in OpenStack (e.g.: openstack/nova-driver-hyperv) | 16:17 |
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| alexpilotti | errata: on 1) it was meant to be: cloudbase/nova-driver-hyperv | 16:17 |
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| alexpilotti | 3) we find a solution in which we get +2 rights in our subtree: nova/virt/hyperv and nova/tests/virt/hyperv | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | I'm particularly keen on 2) | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | which means go to incubation (stackforge), remove the code from Nova and graduate with the next release | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | there's also another advantage: | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | people wanting to install the Hyper-V driver, would simply: | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | pip install nova-driver-hyperv | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | I found quite funny that our code gets uselessly installed on every Linux box running Nova, but I have to say it's quite amusing :-) | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: you weren't too fond of the second option would you care discuss now? | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | We still want to help Nova, as I keep on saying we have new community contributors will be dedicated to that | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | but we definitely want to be independent | 16:22 |
| dansmith | primeministerp: that's true, I'm not, but no I don't really want to discuss it here | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: would you rather save it for the summit? | 16:22 |
| dansmith | primeministerp: yes | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | dansmith: fair enough | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith primeministerp: I'm fine with it. Only one question: | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | while creating a separate repo is our call, pulling the code from the Nova repo is a decision that the Nova team has to take | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | and what we ant to avoid at any cost, is that users might be confused on what version of the code to use | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | there must be one single official repo, that's IMO mandatory | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: if we plan to move out, do you think that you guys could mark the hyper-V code in nova as deprecated or, possible, remove it from the tree? | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: a "no comment" answer is fair enough as well :-) | 16:26 |
| dansmith | alexpilotti: I'm not sure if a deprecation cycle is needed if there is an alternative, and I can't speak for the rest of the team, but my feeling is that if you decide to go out of tree, we'll support you | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | dansmith: ok thanks! | 16:27 |
| dansmith | support, meaning, support you in removing it from the tree, avoiding confusion, etc | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | sure :-) | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ok thanks for the comments dansmith | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | so enough on that topic, alexpilotti do we need more discussion regarding the bugs? | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | I'd like to list them at least | 16:28 |
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| primeministerp | #topic active bugs | 16:29 |
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| alexpilotti | to make sure people are aware that they need to pull the fixes from outside of openstack/nova | 16:29 |
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| alexpilotti | fetching the links:-) | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49269/ | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | Fixes Hyper-V issue with VHD file format | 16:30 |
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| alexpilotti | this one is quite critical | 16:30 |
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| alexpilotti | basically no fixed VHDs can be deployed | 16:30 |
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| alexpilotti | since psalmist every sane person uses dynamic VHDs, is not a huge problem | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | bug might still generate confusion | 16:31 |
| mriedem | alexpilotti: have you pinged kevin or sean about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49269/ ? | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | it's a very small bug fix that can be used as a manifesto about why we want to be out of Nova | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | mriedem: I'm tired go review pestering | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | mriedem: I saw that even you tried to ping sdague, with no reply | 16:32 |
| mriedem | alexpilotti: well, sdague is busy most of the time, so was wondering if someone brought it to his attention | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | this sdague's type of reviews are also a good reason to move out, frankly | 16:33 |
| mriedem | that's what i've had to do in the nova meeting before | 16:33 |
| mriedem | does anyone from hyper-v attend the weekly nova meeting? that's the best place to bring up stuff like getting core eyes on these patches (at least in my experience) | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | mriedem: I used to, but frankly I prefer to concentrate on the Hyper-V meetings :-) | 16:34 |
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| alexpilotti | mriedem: this review begging approach looks like an old schools bureaucracy | 16:35 |
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| alexpilotti | what I really don't get, is how come the Nova guys don't get that the team won't scale ever | 16:35 |
| mriedem | alexpilotti: my point on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49269/ is that it had a +2 from a core, another core asked you to change something, you did, so it could just be brought up directly in IRC or the nova meeting and it would probably have movement | 16:36 |
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| mriedem | alexpilotti: with sdague you probably have to ping directly because he's usually working on infra | 16:36 |
| mriedem | which is extremely time consuming | 16:36 |
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| mriedem | anyway, was just asking, don't mean to derail here | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | mriedem: no worries thanks for the input | 16:37 |
| alexpilotti | mriedem: do you think that a management system where the only way to get a review is obliging people to do it is a sane approach? :-) | 16:37 |
| mriedem | alexpilotti: i don't think we want to get into that here | 16:37 |
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| alexpilotti | mriedem: BTW you've been amazingly helpful during this release cycle | 16:37 |
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| mriedem | alexpilotti: that's because ibm is using the hyper-v driver | 16:37 |
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| alexpilotti | mriedem: to be sincere, if we have to move out, we'll miss you :-) | 16:38 |
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| alexpilotti | mriedem: good, so you'll have to come with us! :-) | 16:38 |
| mriedem | alexpilotti: naw, as i stated in the mailing list, i want the powervm driver to stay in tree | 16:39 |
| mriedem | it's kind of apples and oranges between those drivers though | 16:39 |
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| alexpilotti | yeah, I don't think that one size fits all on this discussion | 16:40 |
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| alexpilotti | other bug: | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48267/ | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | this is a true 1 liner :-) | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | Fixes unicode issue in the Hyper-V driver | 16:41 |
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| alexpilotti | this is also related to mriedem's colleagues in China | 16:41 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's why i was on that one too | 16:41 |
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| alexpilotti | in Nova nobody gave a damn about this one | 16:42 |
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| alexpilotti | the fact that an entire continent won't be able to issue a Nova boot is less important than defining which is the right parameter to pass to "encode" | 16:42 |
| alexpilotti | that's IMHO, quite astonishing | 16:43 |
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| alexpilotti | IMO when similar bugs arise, you can spend a reasonable amount of time to see if there are better fixes | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | but at some point it just has to merge | 16:44 |
| alexpilotti | with a note if required | 16:44 |
| alexpilotti | and this is another typical case in which a Nova centralised bug management simply fails | 16:44 |
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| alexpilotti | we're going to release our installer with all those bugs fixed, that's for sure | 16:45 |
| alexpilotti | and we're definitely available to help anybody which is distributing Nova Hyper-V code in getting the right fixes in place | 16:45 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: thanks for all your help with this | 16:46 |
| primeministerp | ok let's move quickly to the last topic i wanted to cover | 16:46 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: ping | 16:46 |
| primeministerp | #topic puppet modules | 16:46 |
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| luis_fdez | primeministerp, yeps | 16:46 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: just want to get on the same page here | 16:46 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so refactoring is continuning moving as much to the windows_common and other modules | 16:47 |
| luis_fdez | exactly | 16:47 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i've been cleaning a lot of that while here | 16:47 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: please make sure you update prior | 16:47 |
| luis_fdez | ok I'll rebase my code with your commits | 16:47 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: additionally i'm going to have vijay start testing what we have | 16:47 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i've put most of the other "msi" type installations into the same format as the windows_git module | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: it's almost a template | 16:48 |
| luis_fdez | perfect, his tests are really worth to have | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so I'll have him start that todata | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | er today | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: additionally I'm all for the hyper-v instance type | 16:48 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: although it's lower priority | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: anything else you want to add? | 16:49 |
| luis_fdez | no, refactoring and testing | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | that's all i have for now | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | anyone have anything else they want to add? | 16:50 |
| primeministerp | ok then, i'll close the meeting | 16:50 |
| primeministerp | thanks everyone | 16:50 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti, thanks for the updates about metadata ;) | 16:50 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 16:50:34 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: np! | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-10-15-16.03.html | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-10-15-16.03.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-10-15-16.03.log.html | 16:50 |
| alexpilotti | bye! | 16:50 |
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| gyee | \o | 17:58 |
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| ayoung | :) | 17:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i thought we agreed whiskey this time around. | 17:58 |
| ayoung | after | 17:59 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ahh right! | 17:59 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, if I drink during a meeting I lose my voice | 17:59 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, had my class reunion and , in honor of our class, the Bar had a drink called a Treekiller. Guinness with a shot of Crown Royal Maple | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, not sure if i'd go for that. | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | twas good | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, it sounds interesting at least | 18:00 |
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| dolphm_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:02 |
| fabiog | hi | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | oh look i see keystone types. | 18:02 |
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| dolphm_ | oh great, we have a "type" now | 18:02 |
| ayoung | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:02 |
| atiwari | hi | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, yeah… we do. | 18:02 |
| gyee | ayoung's favorite subject, HTML :) | 18:02 |
| dolphm_ | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 18:02:57 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:03 |
| ayoung | gyee, not favorite, just one of the many things to go through in order to get back to standards | 18:03 |
| bknudson | is keystone going to support application/x-www-form-urlencoded | 18:03 |
| dolphm_ | umm | 18:03 |
| dolphm_ | #topic Havana | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Havana (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| ayoung | bknudson, wait till we get there | 18:03 |
| dolphm_ | #yay RC2 | 18:03 |
| bknudson | on to RC3 | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | lol | 18:03 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, one thing came up from Fedora packaging is memcached version | 18:03 |
| dolphm_ | AFAIK we won't have an RC3 | 18:03 |
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| gyee | RC3?! | 18:04 |
| dolphm_ | if that's the case, then RC2 *is* havana | 18:04 |
| dolphm_ | 2013.2.0 | 18:04 |
| gyee | like final final? | 18:04 |
| dolphm_ | like final final final | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, fedora has what 1.47? keystone was assuming 1.48 for cas? | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1239892 | 18:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1239892 in keystone "Version for python-memcached not specified" [Low,New] | 18:04 |
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| dolphm_ | gyee: i don't know what that looks like, but yes | 18:04 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, and there is no way to communicate it beside requirements.txt | 18:04 |
| ayoung | but memcached is just a tes-requires | 18:05 |
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| dolphm_ | doesn't that bug apply to keystoneclient as well? | 18:05 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the numbers were 1.48 and 1.53 I thought, but you are roughly correct | 18:05 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, client doesn't much care | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, hrm i just chased this down a couple weeks ago for bknudson | 18:05 |
| ayoung | it is a test-and-set thing, and client doesn't make use of it | 18:05 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, if you have more recent data, please update the bug. I am just going from memory. Dealt with this back in July I think | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, before a certain version the memcache python lib leaks memory like a sieve, so they added an option to no track cas ids unless explicitly "turned" on in later versions | 18:06 |
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| dolphm_ | ah, i remember that | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, before whatever version added that init kwarg all transactions saved cas ids, regardless, and nothing ever cleans that up | 18:07 |
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| dolphm_ | #topic Reserved migration numbers for havana | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, yeah, and since Keystone server depends on that now with the memcached backends, it breaks on Fedora. I suspect Ubuntu LTS too | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, nope LTS is fine | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | well, lucid no, precise yes | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | lucid is likely broken…but iirc that is EOL now | 18:08 |
| bknudson | just need to add some extra migrations? is it just for core or for extensions too? | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | oh. apr 2015 =/ boo | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, what is the impetus for reserving the migration numbers? | 18:10 |
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| atiwari | wondering if we can accommodate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50488/ in upcoming RC? | 18:10 |
| dolphm_ | allowing ourselves room to backport migrations as part of bug fixes | 18:10 |
| bknudson | you can do cleanups post-grizzly and pre-havana necessary | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, that will mess up people tracking the main | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i know nova did it for (i think) grizzly. not sure if i like the idea though | 18:12 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: the idea is that we merge a bunch of empty migrations to master right now | 18:12 |
| dolphm_ | before we have a real migration | 18:12 |
| bknudson | did nova actually use it? | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, don't know, but they had the empty ones. | 18:12 |
| dolphm_ | they've done it again for havana | 18:12 |
| dolphm_ | nova milestone-proposed: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/milestone-proposed/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/versions | 18:12 |
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| dolphm_ | nova master: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/versions | 18:13 |
| bknudson | looks like nova used it a couple time? | 18:13 |
| gyee | so many empty migrations? | 18:13 |
| bknudson | wait, no they didn't... | 18:13 |
| dolphm_ | i'd like the headroom-- i was wondering if anyone was strongly opposed | 18:13 |
| bknudson | since wasn't updated in 7 months | 18:13 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/versions | 18:13 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: i think 10 would be a lot for us | 18:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, then if someone on a dev branch runs the migrations, they are SOL | 18:13 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: a dev branch? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, master | 18:14 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, someone like, oh, Racksapce, that tracks master | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | Rackspace | 18:14 |
| ayoung | remember how much trouble we caused when we went back and rewrote migrations in Grizzly | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | dolphm_: does it matter? if we are backporting these fixes what is wrong with just tacking the migrations on to the end? | 18:15 |
| dolphm_ | rackspace certainly doesn't track master on keystone | 18:15 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: the numbers are sequential | 18:15 |
| bknudson | couldn't have a 161 and another 161 | 18:15 |
| dolphm_ | and i have no idea whether rackspace uses nova's migrations | 18:15 |
| gyee | does it have to be sequential? | 18:15 |
| gyee | can we have a gap? | 18:16 |
| bknudson | gyee: that's how sqlalchemy-migrate tracks it, it keeps the version #. | 18:16 |
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| dolphm_ | that'd be a good question for the next 'we track master' presentation at the summit lol | 18:16 |
| bknudson | gyee: we can have a gap | 18:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, I'm sure you know better than I do, but one of the people that yelled loudest was a Racker | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | right, it means that a backported migration number may not be the same in dev/stable | 18:16 |
| gyee | bknudson, why can we say for IceHouse we start with 100 or something | 18:16 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: i'm curious if you remember who that was | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, how do you reconsile the change then… if say rev 037 and 045 do teh same thing? | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | gyee: hmm, not sure why that wouldn't work. | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, you need placeholders or you need to set the config to start at a fixed "known" number | 18:17 |
| ayoung | so...this is why we really should have each of the various modules in their own migration repo. It minimizes the possbility of clash. Doesn't remove it completely, but it is a lot more granular. Identity should not depend on token etc. That is why the extensions at least are now split out | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | you can't have just a gap. | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | gyee: not sure if gaps are a good idea, because later if you come along and db_sync it will say ok i'm at eg 50 and start from there, missing all the migrations from the gap | 18:17 |
| dolphm_ | gaps would be confusing, if nothing else | 18:18 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, +1 | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | that probably throws out changing migration numbers as well | 18:18 |
| dolphm_ | on the other hand, 10 migrations that run successfully give the illusion of stability (they just happen to be no-ops) | 18:18 |
| bknudson | nova has a big gap at beginning (it starts at 133) | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, the config says to start there though. | 18:19 |
| dolphm_ | bknudson: that's not a gap though | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, they collapse each release | 18:19 |
| ayoung | we haven't needed this so far. What happens if we don't skip numbers? | 18:19 |
| gyee | we should wrap db_sync to skip the prompt if we know the gap number | 18:19 |
| dolphm_ | bknudson: that's a collapsed migration of 1 -> 133 | 18:19 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/migrate.cfg doesn't have 133 ? | 18:19 |
| dolphm_ | bknudson: ish | 18:19 |
| ayoung | IIRC we were going to collapse all of the pre-grizz revisions this time around. | 18:19 |
| dolphm_ | ^ | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | dolphm_: but the same thing would happen right? if you upgrade from stable to dev or to the next stable your db will think it has run a bunch of migrations that are no-ops and not do it next tim | 18:19 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that is correct | 18:20 |
| dolphm_ | jamielennox: the no-ops land in master | 18:20 |
| dolphm_ | jamielennox: not in stable | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, I don't think we have that freedom | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I am pretty sure that skipping is a mistake | 18:21 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: it's not skipping | 18:21 |
| ayoung | it is | 18:21 |
| gyee | how about do the gap and modify db_sync to automagically generate the no-opts? | 18:21 |
| ayoung | gyee, it will break people that track master | 18:21 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: empty migrations in master mean that you can write migrations in stable | 18:21 |
| ayoung | no you can't | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | dolphm_: so the same thing will happen in master then, if you bug fix a migration in one of these no-ops it won't be run next time you do a db_sync | 18:21 |
| dolphm_ | the migrations that a stable -> master upgrade will skip are just empty migrations | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | would be interesting to know if nova ever used this and what it was for. | 18:22 |
| bknudson | but as far as I can tell nova did not use it. | 18:22 |
| ayoung | it means that the state of the database is not reflected buy the version number | 18:22 |
| ayoung | so two dbs at version 50 are in different states, with no way to tell which | 18:22 |
| bknudson | you would have to be very careful | 18:22 |
| ayoung | and you cannot rerun the migrations without corrupting the database | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | from memory this was something that alembic solved nicely, but not pushing that argument again | 18:23 |
| bknudson | might need to do both a placeholder and a new migration in havana | 18:23 |
| bknudson | oops, icehouse I mean | 18:23 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: but then stable icehouse would have two migrations doing the same thing | 18:23 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, sort of. It marks each migrations with a hash, like git | 18:23 |
| gyee | k, placeholder then, seems like that's less of the two SOLs | 18:23 |
| gyee | :) | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i am thinking we should do the work in icehouse to split up the modules, regardless if we have placeholders. | 18:23 |
| bknudson | the new migration would have to check if the placeholder ran first | 18:23 |
| dolphm_ | ya'll are way over thinking this | 18:24 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, and...that might be the best solution. We do alembic for Icehouse, and add no-new migrations via sql-a | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | (easier once/if we do the collapse) | 18:24 |
| bknudson | I'd prefer to have the placeholders since it doesn't hurt anything. | 18:25 |
| bknudson | are we running short of numbers for sqlalchemy-migrate? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | then we make a SQL-A migration for stable, we can optionally apply a commit in alembic. Not sure how that will work in practice, though | 18:25 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, lopusy supplier ran out | 18:25 |
| ayoung | pousy | 18:25 |
| ayoung | lousy | 18:25 |
| ayoung | pony! | 18:25 |
| dolphm_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/006827.html | 18:25 |
| dolphm_ | everyone go read ^ this week, and don't approve any db migrations until next meeting :) | 18:26 |
| dolphm_ | #topic PEP8 public/internal | 18:26 |
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| dolphm_ | bknudson: o/ | 18:26 |
| bknudson | I added this one, just wanted to point out that I started work on it. | 18:26 |
| bknudson | turns out python-keystoneclient is smaller than I thought | 18:26 |
| dolphm_ | lol | 18:26 |
| * morganfainberg cheers for bknudson on starting this. | 18:26 | |
| bknudson | first step was updating __init__.py's with __all__ = [ ... ] | 18:26 |
| bknudson | so this lists which modules or packages have public parts | 18:27 |
| bknudson | also, started a etherpad... | 18:27 |
| gyee | link? | 18:27 |
| bknudson | which has a list of all modules/packages so you can see the list easier | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: love most of it, disagree with renaming tests -> _tests | 18:27 |
| dolphm_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/KeystonePep8PublicInternal | 18:27 |
| dolphm_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51415/ | 18:27 |
| bknudson | well, the PEP8 standard says if it's not public then should be prefix with _ | 18:28 |
| bknudson | I don't make the rules | 18:28 |
| ayoung | bknudson, tests are public | 18:28 |
| ayoung | bknudson, they just don't get packaged up | 18:28 |
| bknudson | ayoung: if they're public then we can't change them. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | but tempest shoudl be able to call our tests | 18:29 |
| gyee | ayoung, public interface | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | tests need to get run by package maintainers, then optionally get excluded from the eventual package | 18:29 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yes we can | 18:29 |
| dolphm_ | bknudson: where does PEP8 talk about "internal modules" | 18:29 |
| bknudson | #link http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#public-and-internal-interfaces | 18:29 |
| ayoung | bknudson, public in this case is different from the public API. tests are meant tbe dynamically enumerated and run | 18:29 |
| ayoung | but the standard for enumerating tests is that the names must start with test_ | 18:30 |
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| gyee | ayoung, tempest shouldn't be calling our tests, that would compromise the integrity of the tests | 18:30 |
| bknudson | the _tests module is internal so everything in it is internal | 18:30 |
| ayoung | gyee, wrong | 18:30 |
| dolphm_ | i think i consider keystoneclient.tests itself to be public | 18:30 |
| bknudson | tests isn't part of the api. | 18:30 |
| gyee | tempest is integrated tests no? | 18:31 |
| dstanek | i agree with ayoung that test really are public | 18:31 |
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| bknudson | I'm fine with leaving tests as it is. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | gyee, if you mean that we can change a commit and change a test at the same time, then, yes. But that doesn not mean that temptest should not run our tests as well. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | It is a migration path | 18:31 |
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| dolphm_ | bknudson: it's part of *an* API, sort of... just not python lib's api | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | so we write a test in, say keystone for keystone client, and make sure it runs in tempests. Later on, we can move the test from the keystone repo to tempest | 18:32 |
| gyee | ayoung, why two different gates runs the same tests? I don't get it | 18:32 |
| gyee | that's redundant | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | also there is a lot of precedent for having a package level tests directory | 18:32 |
| dolphm_ | i don't understand either | 18:32 |
| ayoung | gyee, well, because we don't ruyn unit tests against the live DBs | 18:32 |
| ayoung | gyee, but tempest should | 18:32 |
| ayoung | same with LDAP | 18:32 |
| dolphm_ | bknudson: i do agree with jamielennox's notion that as little should be public as we can get away with | 18:33 |
| ayoung | unit tests = SQLite. Functional tests = Postgresql, MySQL, OpenLDAP, and to make the IBMers happy, DB2 | 18:33 |
| dolphm_ | IBMers are people too | 18:34 |
| gyee | they are not unit tests by definition | 18:34 |
| stevemar | thanks for making us happy ayoung | 18:34 |
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| gyee | live tests are not unit tests | 18:34 |
| ayoung | stevemar, it is purely selfish. I want you to review my code | 18:34 |
| bknudson | we'll have db2 tempest tests in icehouse | 18:34 |
| gyee | live tests are integrated tests | 18:34 |
| bknudson | anyway, please take look at the etherpad and update if you know more about the client. | 18:35 |
| ayoung | gyee, exactly. SQLite is not a real DB. So test run against it are unit tests. TEsts run against MySQL are integrating our code with the production DB | 18:35 |
| bknudson | we can discuss more later if there's further questions. | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | we just happen to use the unit test code as part of that integration testing | 18:35 |
| ayoung | hence, tempest should consume keystone/tests and python-keystonclient/tests | 18:35 |
| ayoung | horse is dead | 18:35 |
| gyee | sounds pretty messy | 18:36 |
| gyee | anyway, move on | 18:36 |
| dolphm_ | uhh | 18:36 |
| dolphm_ | #topic open discussion | 18:36 |
| ayoung | bknudson, rest of it is good. I hand over the conch | 18:36 |
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| dolphm_ | there's LOTS of code reviews on the meeting agenda | 18:36 |
| ayoung | HTML. Please remove the -2 | 18:36 |
| dolphm_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | let the masses discuss and we can decide as a group | 18:36 |
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| bknudson | I'm not a fan of adding complexity of HTML. | 18:37 |
| gyee | I am not sure about opening the can of HTML :) | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | dolphm_: i had the topic up for the keystoneclient blueprints | 18:37 |
| bknudson | we barely support XML | 18:37 |
| bknudson | maybe if we dropped XML I'd be OK with HTML | 18:37 |
| dolphm_ | bknudson: ++ | 18:37 |
| dolphm_ | lol | 18:37 |
| gyee | XML is pretty messy as is | 18:37 |
| ayoung | bknudson, complexity is contained within the marshalling code | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | i really want either approval or changes to the APIclient and discovery blueprints - and then get some reviews happening | 18:37 |
| ayoung | XML is used by some people for integration | 18:37 |
| bknudson | if the marshalling code was cleaner then maybe I wouldn't have a problem | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | there are first patches for both and they see may 1 review / 2 weeks | 18:38 |
| dolphm_ | jamielennox: i try to maintain the "Code reviews" section of the meeting agenda with stuff that's current -- it doesn't have to be specific to keystone | 18:38 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: are you going to support IE6? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | bknudson, well, that is what the code review is there for. dolphm_ had -2ed it last release, saying it needed to be self contained. It is now, but still has the -2 on it | 18:38 |
| atiwari | wondering if we can accommodate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50488/ in upcoming RC? | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | dolphm_: I was more looking for a yes/no on blueprints at the moment - then i can at least hassle people to follow allong | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, Personally? No | 18:38 |
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| bknudson | what do you think about using jsonschema for input validation? | 18:39 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: -- | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm_, we should support IE4 for mac. | 18:39 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: how can i apply my company's branding to keystone's HTML interface? | 18:39 |
| bknudson | I'm a little worried about our lack of input validation today as is | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, I am going to support a minimal HTML format | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i'm a fan, i'd be interested in looking at the wsme and such that is being proposed as well | 18:39 |
| bknudson | if we have jsonschema for input validation then that might also be helpful for html | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i am for validation w/ jsonschema. heck, more validation ++ | 18:39 |
| ayoung | bknudson, IMHO that is backwards | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | regardless of tech. | 18:40 |
| ayoung | JSON is only one marshalling format | 18:40 |
| bknudson | we could start adding validation all over the place, but doing it centrally would be saner | 18:40 |
| ayoung | JSON schema should be driven off the code and not the other way around | 18:40 |
| bknudson | the problem is we have no codification of what structures look like and what are the types allowed | 18:40 |
| bknudson | e.g., if you pass an int for your password | 18:40 |
| ayoung | hey, no fair hacking my password. What is wrong with 1234 | 18:41 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: which html standard? | 18:41 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: is there going to be a mobile friendly interface? | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, no, and no | 18:42 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: how do i apply my own CSS? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, ah | 18:42 |
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| dolphm_ | ayoung: i'd like the background color to be cornflower blue | 18:42 |
| bknudson | here was my example, did "methods": "password", | 18:42 |
| gyee | hahaha | 18:42 |
| ayoung | that is a good question. We provide a config option which is the css file. The deployes can optionally add their own | 18:42 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: no no sunflower yellow | 18:42 |
| bknudson | result is "Expecting to find p in identity. The server could not comply with the request since it is either malformed | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | Keystone core does not support the CSS | 18:42 |
| gyee | I'd like a animated git | 18:42 |
| bknudson | so I used a string for methods in auth request | 18:42 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: ++ | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, just what we need! | 18:43 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: where do i put my static files? | 18:43 |
| ayoung | gyee, I think I've been called an animated git before | 18:43 |
| bknudson | and then it looked for each of the string elements in the methods | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, its an URL. where ever they can be reached | 18:43 |
| gyee | animated gif | 18:43 |
| gyee | my bad | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, I have not BPed up that, but it is not hard to solve. | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | dolphm_, I am just first stpe getting HTML rendering supported in the simplest fashion | 18:43 |
| dstanek_ | is there a lot of demand for HTML? | 18:44 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: which html standard? | 18:44 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: i'm having the same thing with the KDS stuff, some things have to be integers, some fields if you don't pass a date you'll get a 500 error | 18:44 |
| dolphm_ | dstanek_: i count one demand | 18:44 |
| gyee | ayoung, all kidding aside, with federation, identity provider may serve up html form for login | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: and looking at past code i think there are a bunch of places where that sort of this would happen with TypeErrors | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | i can say that the way it's implemented with FreeIPA (html acces), is pretty damn slick. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | gyee, and with oauth, Keystone might need to do the same | 18:44 |
| dolphm_ | ayoung: where do i put my google analytics ID? | 18:45 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: it's not fun to write that code or tests... I think the only way is to centralize it, and use a jsonschema or something. | 18:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, where the sun don't shine | 18:45 |
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| bknudson | I don't really care if we jsonschema or something new for keystone | 18:45 |
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| jamielennox | jsonschema happens on dictionaries after json.loads right, so if it's json/xml it doesn't matter | 18:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm_, there are a million things that can be extended. If your objection is that we need to support a specific version of HTML and valirdate that, please provide that as feedback for the BP. | 18:46 |
| dolphm_ | jamielennox: ? | 18:46 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I'm not sure how it works... would be a waste to have to convert it back to json! | 18:46 |
| ayoung | bknudson, agreeds, and we force that to be the case now | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: this is mainly going from the guy who was trying to do email validation in keystoneclient with jsonschema | 18:47 |
| gyee | bknudson, kesytone internal operate on json only | 18:47 |
| ayoung | everything goes content -> JSON -> python | 18:47 |
| ayoung | gyee, not really. It operates on Python | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: so i'm not sure either, but i think it does | 18:47 |
| ayoung | just that we force tit to go through JSON body first | 18:47 |
| ayoung | its not necessary | 18:48 |
| bknudson | maybe it's in the JSON body middleware | 18:48 |
| gyee | ayoung, its a dict anyway you slice it :) | 18:48 |
| bknudson | maybe validation is in the JSON body middleware | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | dolphm_: i mean that i think jsonschema looks at the contents of a python dictionary, not the raw json, so the JSON and XML middlewares should produce the same thing and so jsonschema should handle both | 18:48 |
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| bknudson | seems like it should be in controllers | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: the problem is that our wsgi layer mangles the input to our controllers | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | so if i have input { "a": 1, "b": 2} it will come through to the controller as def method(self, a, b): | 18:49 |
| atiwari | dolphm_,gyee and ayoung: any agreement on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37141 yet? | 18:49 |
| inkerra_ | howdy, guys, sorry for interrupting you... I just wanna make a note to draw your attention to quotas: the work on them has been resumed, the deficiencies in the design have been addressed: | 18:49 |
| inkerra_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37545/ | 18:50 |
| ayoung | atiwari, it looked good when we discusssed it yesterday. I do want to raise the question of global vs service spevfifc roles being disjoint sets | 18:50 |
| atiwari | or can we have an id for global IDM roles | 18:51 |
| atiwari | ? | 18:51 |
| ayoung | atiwari's API review specifies that, in order to link a role to a service, it must always be linked to that service. THus, we couldn't do, say, give a user admin, but only on glance, whereas another user gets admin on all services | 18:51 |
| ayoung | are we OK with this approach? It seems somewhat arbitrary | 18:52 |
| dolphm_ | inkerra_: nice, that spec is looking pretty good | 18:52 |
| ayoung | role assignments are typically where we were linking to scope in the past | 18:52 |
| ayoung | so a user gets arole on a project or on a domain. project/service seems like a reduction in scope that is reasonable | 18:52 |
| gyee | ayoung, it would be hard to answer questions like what are all the Glance roles out there without iterating through all the assignments | 18:54 |
| atiwari | ayoung, how do you handle role collision in that case ? | 18:54 |
| atiwari | suppose there are n number of service trying to have "admin" role | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | ok, so keystoneclient plug, can everyone have a look at the version discovery blueprint and review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38414/ let me know if you have any questions or concerns about the approach but something like this is needed | 18:55 |
| gyee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38414/ | 18:55 |
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| inkerra_ | dolphm_, tnx, welcome to review :) | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | some eyes on the session extraction review would be appreciated too | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43829/ | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, just to be clear, discover is optional, right? If I specify /v2.0 on the URL it won't force me through discovery, right? | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | atiwari, there is no collision. The role name is admin. If you have admin on glance, you can do admin tasks. | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | if you call the discovery factory you will always hit the server, if you specify version=2 to the factory you will always get a v2 client | 18:57 |
| bknudson | it seems to really not work now to leave off /v2.0 in the service catalog | 18:57 |
| gyee | dolphm_, can we add a session for fixing catalog in the upcoming summit if we haven't created one already? | 18:57 |
| gyee | I can submit a bp if you like | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | if you specify the url with /v2.0 it will hit the server and make sure that /v2.0 is supported at that endpoint | 18:57 |
| bknudson | in short, pretty much need to use v2.0 still :( | 18:57 |
| ayoung | bknudson, that is part of what he is trying to fix | 18:58 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: bp or summit discussion? | 18:58 |
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| gyee | dolphm_, don't we need both? | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: right, crusade for Icehouse is start moving people to v3 api and we need a discovery mechanism to do it | 18:58 |
| gyee | I think it will have an impact on version discovery | 18:58 |
| dolphm_ | gyee: i mean, is there not already a bp? | 18:58 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, one round trip. If I go directly to a web page that doesn't exist, either 404 or redirect. The Client should act the same way. | 18:58 |
| gyee | discovery in general | 18:58 |
| dolphm_ | jamielennox: +++ | 18:58 |
| atiwari | ayoung, that means keystone is going define all the roles even for future service? | 18:59 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: yea, the service catalog bugs me, but we need to have discovery in place otherwise when we point people to the root url they won't be able to use it | 18:59 |
| ayoung | Now, if I do discovery, the client should be able to remember it for a given service, at least for a limited time. I'd hate to have to do multiple round trips for each operation, especially from auth_token middleware | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: the client does nothing, if you know what you need you can instantiate a client and it will just be (as now), discovery will do one round trip | 19:00 |
| ayoung | atiwari, no, it means that the services might potentially both require the same role. | 19:00 |
| gyee | dolphm_, I see dns catalog and service relationship bps | 19:00 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: gee i would love to have like a session object where i could cache these discovery requests then for future: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43829/ | 19:01 |
| dstanek_ | a young, do we use cache control headers? | 19:01 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, right, but if auth_token does discovery, it should remember it, if only for a limitied time...but that won't work too well in the prefork model anyway | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek_, we do not at the moment | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek_, i believe we should. | 19:01 |
| dolphm_ | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| bknudson | not setting cache-control seems like a bug, since then can't use a proxy | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 19:01:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-10-15-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-10-15-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-10-15-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
| dolphm_ | (sorry for going over!) | 19:01 |
| ayoung | dstanek, morganfainberg +1 on cache control header | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | ci / infra people? | 19:02 |
| fungi | heyo | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 19:02:59 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
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| sdague | <- lurking | 19:03 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-08-19.01.html | 19:04 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:04 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair move tarballs.o.o and include 50gb space for heat/trove images | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | ok, so i still didn't do that. :( sorry. the 'quiet' periods where i think i'm going to do that keep being not quiet | 19:05 |
| jeblair | but at least i think it's still low priority; i don't think it's impacting anything | 19:06 |
| mordred | agree | 19:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb announced and executed the etherpad upgrade! | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: thank you so much for that | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 19:06 |
| clarkb | it seems to be holding up so far too | 19:06 |
| jeblair | i'm unaware of any issues, other than needing to remind people to force-reload occasionally | 19:06 |
| fungi | it's awesome! i can make text permanently monospace now and don't have to keep resetting my personal prefs instead | 19:07 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:07 |
| clarkb | also we theoretically have bup backups for that host now, but I haven't done a recovery yet | 19:07 |
| * mordred enjoys our new etherpad overlords | 19:07 | |
| sdague | yes, also headings now enabled, which makes organizing pads nicer | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | #topic Trove testing (mordred, hub_cap) | 19:08 |
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| hub_cap | helo | 19:09 |
| jeblair | mordred, hub_cap: what's the latest here, and are you blocked on any infra stuff? | 19:09 |
| hub_cap | i just shot a msg to the room | 19:09 |
| mordred | I have done no additional work in this area. | 19:09 |
| hub_cap | im going to take over the caching work | 19:09 |
| hub_cap | so, looking @ the "image caching" job for the heat/trove images. i was wondering if it'd make sense to go the easy route, and just put a few more #IMAGE_URLS= into stackrc, and let the job automagically grab them | 19:09 |
| hub_cap | ^ ^ sent to -infra, we can discuss offline if u want | 19:09 |
| mordred | I think that's probably a great first step | 19:09 |
| mordred | since these ARE images that you're intending on using as part of a d-g run | 19:10 |
| hub_cap | its a simple fix, and your nodepool stuff already grabs it | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mordred, hub_cap: do we have an etherpad plan for this somewhere? | 19:10 |
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| * mordred feels like we did, but is not sure where | 19:10 | |
| hub_cap | clarkb: had one | 19:10 |
| * hub_cap thought | 19:10 | |
| jeblair | i can't recall whether our current thinking is that job runs on devstack-precise nodes, or ar we making a new nodepool image type... | 19:10 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think devstack-precise, right? | 19:11 |
| mordred | I think that devstack-precise was the current thinking - until proven otherwise | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | I started one with the notes that were on my whiteboard /me finds a link | 19:12 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: i think that would be fine, but it's also easy to throw them into the nodepool scripts. so either way; probably depends on what devstack core thinks is appropriate. | 19:12 |
| clarkb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/testing-heat-trove-with-dib | 19:12 |
| hub_cap | ill ping sdague / dtroyer on the matter and see what they think | 19:12 |
| hub_cap | its definitely the path of least resistance in terms of nodepool | 19:12 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: ok. know where the nodepool scripts are if the answer swings the other way? | 19:12 |
| hub_cap | yer already wget'ing the IMAGE_URL's and caching them | 19:13 |
| sdague | hub_cap: didn't we just merge a big chunk of trove code? | 19:13 |
| hub_cap | sdague: yes this is not trove specific persay | 19:13 |
| * ttx <- lurking too | 19:13 | |
| hub_cap | its diskimage-builder image locations | 19:13 |
| sdague | ok | 19:13 |
| hub_cap | jeblair: itd be pretty simple scripting too | 19:13 |
| hub_cap | talked w/ lifeless | 19:13 |
| hub_cap | he says its not worht our while to do more than a wget (as in, reading from the dib scripts like mordred and i talke dabout) | 19:14 |
| lifeless | not yet anyhow. Crawl. Walk. Run. | 19:14 |
| mordred | k. great. then I think getting motion at all is great | 19:14 |
| hub_cap | fall | 19:14 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: oh, so you're actually talking about the part where we get a dib image that has previously been published to tarballs.o.o, right? | 19:14 |
| hub_cap | oh no im not | 19:14 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: ok, so you're talking about the job to create that image? | 19:15 |
| hub_cap | im talking about caching the dib images that woud lnormally be downloaded | 19:15 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: which is the first bullet point on etherpad | 19:15 |
| hub_cap | yes correct jeblair | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | hub_cap: what are the images you're talking about putting in IMAGE_URLS then? | 19:15 |
| hub_cap | then ill be working on some of the other bullet points | 19:15 |
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| hub_cap | jeblair: sec | 19:15 |
| mordred | the base ubuntu and fedora images | 19:15 |
| mordred | jeblair: the dib image build process starts with an upstream base cloud images | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | ah, ok. i don't think that changes any of the things we've said, except i understand them better now. :) | 19:16 |
| hub_cap | example: http://cloud.fedoraproject.org/fedora-19.x86_64.qcow2 | 19:16 |
| mordred | jeblair: I agree :) | 19:16 |
| jeblair | cool, anything else on this topic? | 19:17 |
| hub_cap | nosah | 19:17 |
| hub_cap | <3 | 19:17 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: thanks | 19:17 |
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| hub_cap | word | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #topic Tripleo testing (mordred, clarkb, lifeless, pleia2) | 19:17 |
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| pleia2 | so I have a test nodepool up per mordred's instructions yesterday, debugging :) | 19:18 |
| mordred | woot! | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: awesome; if you feel like committing those instructions to the repo, that'd be cool. :) | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | at the moment it's erroring with `No current image for tripleo-precise on tripleo-test-cloud` so I need to dig around a bit | 19:18 |
| mordred | pleia2: so - that's normal | 19:19 |
| mordred | it'll then run for a while and try to build a new imagre | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: great, will do, also found a list of dpkg dependencies needed if installing it on a new 12.04 vm | 19:19 |
| fungi | not an error, just a debug message | 19:19 |
| mordred | pleia2: I'm assuming you have the creds for the grizzly cloud in your yaml file? | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | oh, it kept repeating so I thought it was spinning | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | mordred: yeah | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | so I should just start it and let it run? | 19:20 |
| mordred | yes | 19:20 |
| jeblair | mordred: ++ but also, if you end up shutting it down while it's doing that, if there's still a 'building' record in the db for that image, it _won't_ start trying to build a new one on restart, you'll need to 'nodepool image-delete' that record. | 19:20 |
| * pleia2 makes so | 19:20 | |
| mordred | jeblair: very true | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: so make sure that ^ case doesn't apply, otherwise it really might not be doing anything | 19:20 |
| mordred | pleia2: nodepool image-list and nodepool image-delete are your friends | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | great, thanks | 19:20 |
| mordred | my instructions may not be full docs | 19:20 |
| fungi | pretty much all of nodepool-tabtab is full of awesome | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | all the patches have merged, so it was nice not to have to apply those at least | 19:21 |
| jeblair | pleia2, mordred: also worth knowing -- once you get to the stage where it's actually running the scripts, the stderr from the ssh commands are output _after_ the stdout | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: thanks | 19:21 |
| mordred | excellent | 19:21 |
| jeblair | if anyone figures out the right way to get those interleaved correctly out of paramiko, i'll give them a cookie. | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | i sort of gave up and said "at least it's recorded" and moved on. | 19:22 |
| mordred | I like cookies | 19:22 |
| jeblair | there's some serious magic going on in paramiko with those streams. | 19:22 |
| mordred | related to that, btw, now that I know how to nodepool test things, I'm going to nodepool against some of our potential other clouds | 19:23 |
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| mordred | that may not be released or in prod yet | 19:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: nice. isn't it exciting how each new cloud requires source changes? | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | hah | 19:24 |
| fungi | exciting is not the word i'd choose | 19:24 |
| mordred | jeblair: yah. although - to be fair, I think that the grizzly cloud mostly just found issues for us - we didn't have to put in new behavior forks | 19:24 |
| jeblair | mordred: ok cool | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | State: building :) | 19:25 |
| mordred | pleia2: w00t | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | anything else related to tripleo? | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | I think that's it | 19:25 |
| mordred | the tripleo cloud is deploying now | 19:25 |
| mordred | which means we're getting closer to it being non-destructively updating - at which point infra should be able to consume vms from it | 19:26 |
| mordred | or start thinking about doing that | 19:26 |
| jeblair | mordred: yay | 19:26 |
| mordred | just for those who haven't been folowing along | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #topic Next bug day: Tuesday October 22nd at 1700UTC (pleia2) | 19:26 |
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| pleia2 | just a reminder, next week! | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i'm going to be at linuxcon eu then | 19:26 |
| mordred | me too | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i will try to show up if i can, but i may have to flake out this time | 19:27 |
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| mordred | me too | 19:27 |
| fungi | i'll be here and bugtastic | 19:27 |
| * clarkb wonders if jeblair and mordred find conferences that conflict with bug days on purpose :{ | 19:27 | |
| clarkb | * :P | 19:27 |
| jeblair | (i doubt rescheduling would change that) | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:27 |
| clarkb | I will be around | 19:27 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: yeah, the next week gets mighty close to summit | 19:28 |
| zaro | i will be on my way to jenkins conf | 19:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: s/bug days/work/ ? :) | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | zaro: good luck with that! I've been sending folks your way :) | 19:29 |
| jeblair | zaro: where you will be speaking, yeah? | 19:29 |
| zaro | yes | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | this morning I started looking at upgrading a bunch of our logstash stuff | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | my schedule for the next month is roughly: linuxcon eu for a week, vacation for a week, summit for a week, vacation for a week. | 19:30 |
| clarkb | basically want to upgrade logstash to 1.2.1 which requires an elasticsearch upgrade to 0.90.3 and may require an upgrade to kibana3 | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | so i'm going to be in and out | 19:30 |
| sdague | jeblair: when you thinking about laying out infra summit plan? there were a couple of sessions which could be either qa / infra and I wanted to figure out if I should add them to a track or you were | 19:30 |
| fungi | i *will* be somewhat unavailable later in the week though. allthingsopen is wednesday and thursday and i want to catch at least some of it since it's local | 19:30 |
| fungi | the week==next week | 19:31 |
| jeblair | sdague: was planning on doing that next week, will that work for you? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | there is a lot to change and while I *think* I can do it non destructively, I would like to be able to just do it more organically and if we lose data oh well | 19:31 |
| mordred | my schedule is similar to jeblair's, except I'm doing many more conferences in that stretch | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | thankfully I'm home for pretty much the rest of the year aside from summit | 19:31 |
| sdague | jeblair: sure | 19:31 |
| clarkb | sdague: jog0: do you have opinions on that attitude? | 19:31 |
| fallenpegasus | I will see you there fungi | 19:31 |
| mordred | and by many, I mean 2x | 19:31 |
| fungi | fallenpegasus: looking forward to it! | 19:31 |
| sdague | clarkb: we can always rebuild logstash, right? | 19:31 |
| mordred | so consider me useless as usual | 19:31 |
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| pleia2 | but locally I'm speaking at balug tonight on 'code review for sysadmins' (same as oscon talk) | 19:31 |
| sdague | so I consider temp data loss to be an "oh well" | 19:32 |
| clarkb | sdague: yup and great | 19:32 |
| clarkb | sdague: well its temp in that indexes may go away | 19:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: the havana release is sched for oct 17 | 19:32 |
| clarkb | and I don't feel like reindexing the data | 19:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: my feeling is maybe wait till next week, then go for it? | 19:32 |
| sdague | clarkb: well for elastic-recheck, we'd want to reindex that last 7 days of data regardless | 19:32 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup, that was what I was thinking. After release is the best time for this sort of thing | 19:32 |
| sdague | so we can figure out bug trends | 19:33 |
| clarkb | sdague: yeah, I am asserting that I would like to not do that :) | 19:33 |
| mordred | pleia2: ++ | 19:33 |
| sdague | clarkb: can't we do it as a background job after? | 19:33 |
| jeblair | sdague: how critical is that after the release? | 19:33 |
| sdague | clarkb: ok, I just assumed temp outage :) | 19:33 |
| clarkb | sdague: we can, but if I start worrying about stuff like that I am worried I won't get this done in a timely manner | 19:33 |
| sdague | clarkb: ok, so lets take the hit now | 19:34 |
| clarkb | sdague: right I figured after release was the best time for that hit | 19:34 |
| sdague | but in future it would be nice to have a reindex process for the data | 19:34 |
| mordred | this: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config,n,z is a terrifying list | 19:34 |
| clarkb | sdague: also, future upgrades will hopefully be less painful. logstash is doing a schema change and elasticsearch is changing major versions of lucene. It is a bit of a perfect storm | 19:34 |
| sdague | because - http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ even in it's current form, it super useful in understanding trending | 19:34 |
| sdague | so we'll have a blind spot | 19:34 |
| sdague | clarkb: yeh, though honestly, if they broke like that this time, I expect they'll break in the future | 19:35 |
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| sdague | so bulk reindex process is probably in order | 19:35 |
| jeblair | sdague: it would be nice, but we've always said this stuff is transient | 19:35 |
| jeblair | and given our current staffing levels vs workload, i think we're going to have to accept that some things like this will have rough edges | 19:36 |
| jeblair | as mordred just pointed out | 19:36 |
| clarkb | sdague: they might, How about this. If the old indexes don't derp due to the lucene upgrade (they shouldn't but it is a warning they give) I will work on reindexing after the upgrade | 19:36 |
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| sdague | clarkb: that would be awesome | 19:36 |
| clarkb | if they do derp, we move on | 19:36 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm fine on that for now | 19:37 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:37 |
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| sdague | jeblair: I get it, just logstash has a lot of consumers now :) you'll hear it on irc if it comes back empty | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | sdague: yep, and their contributions to the maintenance of the system will be welcome. :) | 19:38 |
| sdague | fair enough | 19:39 |
| clarkb | yeah, I will make a best effort, but I think doing it perfectly will require far too much time | 19:39 |
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| sdague | clarkb: yeh, don't stress on it | 19:39 |
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| sdague | now is as good a time as ever to take the hit | 19:39 |
| clarkb | and in theory since all of the upstreams are working together now this sort of pain will be less painful in the future (I really hope so) | 19:39 |
| sdague | any idea how borky it's going to make e-r? like if there are enough data structure changes that we're going to need to do some emergency fixes there? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | sdague: it won't be too bad, I will propose an updated query list | 19:40 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 19:40 |
| sdague | the metadata adds going to go in as part of this? | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | sdague: the schema is being flattened and silly symbols are being removed. so @message becomes message and @fields.build_foo is just build_foo | 19:41 |
| sdague | cool | 19:41 |
| clarkb | sdague: yeah, I was planning on looking at that as part of this giant set of changes :) | 19:41 |
| sdague | great | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I am also planning on trying the elasticsearch http output so that we can decouple elasticsearch upgrades from logstash | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | but we need to upgrade elasticsearch anyways | 19:42 |
| sdague | cool, well just keep me in the loop as things upgrade, I'll see what I can do to hotfix anything on the e-r to match | 19:42 |
| clarkb | sdague: thanks | 19:43 |
| clarkb | and will do | 19:43 |
| jeblair | there's a thread on the infra list about log serving | 19:46 |
| jeblair | Subject: "Log storage/serving" | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | it seems like the most widely accepted ideas are to store and statically serve directly from swift, and pre-process before uploading | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | if anyone else wants to weigh in, that would be great | 19:48 |
| jeblair | sdague: ^ mentioned this the other day, just a reminder | 19:48 |
| jeblair | jog0: ^ may be of interest to you as well | 19:48 |
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| sdague | oh, yeh, actually | 19:49 |
| clarkb | can I get reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47928/ that is step one in this whole process of upgrading stuff? | 19:49 |
| sdague | so my experience so far on the filters, is the dynamic nature is kind of important | 19:49 |
| sdague | so pre-process is something I'd actually tend to avoid if we could (though we could maybe build filters out of swift?) | 19:49 |
| jeblair | sdague: well, we won't be running our own swift, so i don't believe we can write a middleware to do it | 19:50 |
| jog0 | jeblair: nice, what about the issues about how swift doesn't fit this use case exactly | 19:50 |
| jeblair | sdague: i agree, i like being able to process them as we serve them -- but considering that we tend to focus on the most recent logs... | 19:51 |
| sdague | jeblair: so that being the case, I'd kind of lean on the dynamic filters against an FS model. | 19:51 |
| jeblair | sdague: if we keep upgrading the pre-processing, the logs we're looking at most will very shortly have those updates | 19:51 |
| sdague | jeblair: right, but if we change a filter output, to do something like link req ids in, then we have to go back and bulk process eerything | 19:51 |
| jeblair | sdague: or just accept that older logs aren't as featureful | 19:52 |
| sdague | jeblair: that also means processing them multiple ways, as we do things like dynamic level selectors | 19:52 |
| sdague | we doing a summit session on this? | 19:52 |
| sdague | might be good to do it there | 19:53 |
| mordred | why is it that we didn't want to do a log-serving app like jeblair was suggesting originally? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | mordred: because then we have to run the thing. If we use swift and mostly just swift someone else deals with it :) | 19:53 |
| mordred | it seems like storing the logs in swift, with an entry in a db that tells you pointers to teh data blobs | 19:53 |
| sdague | mordred: I think I'm arguing exactly for the log serving app approach | 19:53 |
| mordred | so that if you want to get complex view, you go through the log view app | 19:53 |
| jeblair | sdague: i guess i'm saying that it's worth weighing the benefit of being able to add new processing to old logs against the simplicity of being able to use swift more or less straight up. | 19:53 |
| sdague | yeh, we could still put raw in swift | 19:53 |
| mordred | but if you just want raw data, you pull the data directly from swift | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | sdague: you could get dynamic features by doing the filtering in javascript (and by encoding tags in the file, still make filtering easily available to logstash pusher) | 19:54 |
| sdague | jeblair: with the size of these files... you really can't | 19:54 |
| jeblair | sdague: ? | 19:55 |
| sdague | n-cpu logs, htmlized, cripple anything but chrome | 19:55 |
| sdague | 35MB html uncompressed | 19:55 |
| jeblair | sdague: aren't they already htmlized? | 19:55 |
| sdague | no, that's the point of the filter | 19:55 |
| jeblair | sdague: we sometimes don't convert them to html? | 19:56 |
| sdague | jeblair: right, for logstash | 19:56 |
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| sdague | or if you wget | 19:56 |
| jeblair | sdague: but that doesn't cripple a non-chrome browser | 19:56 |
| sdague | we're doing content negotiation, so you can get html or text/plain | 19:56 |
| jeblair | i don't think i'm following | 19:56 |
| sdague | the overhead of a 35 MB html dom kills most browsers | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | sdague: so you're saying it only works because it doesn't default to DEBUG? | 19:57 |
| sdague | javascript manipulating it would be even worse | 19:57 |
| jeblair | sdague: and if you click debug, it'll kill your browser | 19:57 |
| sdague | we actually default to debug, and most people use chrome when it kills firefox | 19:57 |
| jeblair | sdague: ok, so as far as the html goes, there would be no difference | 19:58 |
| sdague | but a future enhancement I was going to add was detecting browser, and defaulting to a lower level | 19:58 |
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| sdague | anyway, face to face, maybe we can sort the various concerns | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | sdague: well, if you have a minute, could you add these thoughts to the thread? | 19:58 |
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| sdague | sure | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | sdague: because so far, the idea of running a log serving app, which i originally suggested, has very few supporters | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | sdague: and yeah, i'll propose a summit session on this | 19:59 |
| jeblair | and i think we're at time | 20:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| fungi | i suspect that's mainly because the main use cases for swift are directly serving files rather than using it purely as a storage backend | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 20:00:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-15-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-15-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-10-15-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
| jeblair | fungi: i believe swift is most suited as a hidden storage backend | 20:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | PSA: No TC meeting this week as the TC is in election hiatus. You have two more days to vote. | 20:10 |
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| russellb | ttx: i wrote you in for a 2nd seat | 20:12 |
| ttx | haha | 20:14 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 21:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hellow | 21:00 |
| ktbenton | hi | 21:00 |
| markwash | hi hi | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 21:00:58 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| ttx | Our usual agenda for te last Havana meeting | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | ttx: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 21:01 |
| ttx | aw | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #info Less than 2 days before release, we have RCs everywhere | 21:01 |
| ttx | #info At this point only regressions / critical upgrade issues should trigger respins | 21:01 |
| ttx | and we'd seriously limit the number of fixes to reduce chances of regression | 21:02 |
| ttx | Please note that if we do any respin, that would be tomorrow. | 21:02 |
| ttx | On Thursday (afternoon for Europe, morning for US) we shall publish the standing RCs and cut the stable/havana branches | 21:02 |
| ttx | Any question on that ? | 21:02 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair: anything from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:03 |
| annegentle | sure | 21:03 |
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| sdague | ttx: nothing major here | 21:03 |
| annegentle | We're making progress on the install guide on all fronts. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HavanaDocTesting is the test matrix, patching like mad. | 21:03 |
| jeblair | ttx: nak, thanks | 21:04 |
| annegentle | A bit of a debate on the team on whether to release Thursday if the install is not complete | 21:04 |
| annegentle | release docs that is | 21:04 |
| ttx | annegentle: no kidding | 21:04 |
| ttx | right | 21:04 |
| annegentle | we'll keep triaging every 12 hours | 21:04 |
| annegentle | we REALLY really want to make the date | 21:04 |
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| ttx | annegentle: anything else ? Something we could do to help ? | 21:05 |
| ttx | at this point most of us are just on-call waiting for some nasty regression to show up | 21:06 |
| annegentle | people have been responding to my call for help on the mailing list and a neutron setup came out of that as well, so I'm pleased with the response | 21:06 |
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| ttx | annegentle: if you need one more day I guess that would still count as "Thursday", like in Hawaii | 21:06 |
| annegentle | Test the install guide for your distro at http://docs.openstack.org/trunk, click the doc bug link (it's a cute red bug on each page) to report issues | 21:06 |
| annegentle | ttx: nice. Might do that aloha! | 21:06 |
| annegentle | mahalo | 21:07 |
| annegentle | #help Test the install guide for your distro at http://docs.openstack.org/trunk, click the doc bug link (it's a cute red bug on each page) to report issues. | 21:07 |
| ttx | markmc/dhellmann: around ? | 21:07 |
| annegentle | In other news, O'Reilly is starting a custom edit of the Operations Guide, thanks to the Foundation for funding. | 21:07 |
| annegentle | that's all I've got (and it's enough!) | 21:08 |
| ttx | ok, let's skip oslo, I don't think there was anything from them anyway | 21:08 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:08 |
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| ttx | dolphm: hey | 21:08 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:08 |
| ttx | #info Keystone RC2 is out | 21:08 |
| ttx | Looking at the havana-rc-potential list: | 21:08 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:08 |
| ttx | 3 bugs -- nothing really critical afaict, could be fixed in stable/havana alright ? | 21:08 |
| dolphm | yes | 21:08 |
| ttx | might make sense to document them as known issues though | 21:09 |
| ttx | at least the LDAP one | 21:09 |
| dolphm | i was about to say that for the first two issues | 21:09 |
| shardy | The trusts one will mean trusts support in Heat is broken | 21:09 |
| ttx | as many as you want :) | 21:09 |
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| ttx | dolphm: might be nice to do a RC3 over that one, so that trusts work out of the box ? | 21:10 |
| dolphm | shardy: hmm, i didn't expect that kind of impact | 21:10 |
| shardy | but then it's broken anyway until the patch for 1231483 gets merged into keystoneclient | 21:10 |
| dolphm | this issues applies to grizzly as well | 21:11 |
| ttx | shardy: but keystoneclient can be fixed out of band | 21:11 |
| shardy | ttx: yep, I'm hoping it will be, soon ;) | 21:11 |
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| ttx | dolphm: that sounds small enough for a RC3 for me, if you can get it to master today | 21:12 |
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| dolphm | working on it! | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: ok, let's discuss that post-meeting based on status | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: I'll remove the other two bugs from list | 21:13 |
| dolphm | sounds good | 21:13 |
| ttx | and let you document them in release notes | 21:13 |
| ttx | shardy: thx for the cross-project vision | 21:13 |
| ttx | dolphm: nothing else ? | 21:13 |
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| dolphm | not from me | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:14 |
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| ttx | jd__: bonsoir | 21:14 |
| ttx | #info Ceilometer RC2 is out | 21:14 |
| jd__ | bonsoir ! | 21:14 |
| ttx | Let's see your havana-rc-potential list: | 21:14 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:14 |
| ttx | The one bug you have there is not worth a respin, could be included in rc3 if we did one | 21:15 |
| ttx | jd__: Any other blocker I should know about ? | 21:15 |
| jd__ | nop | 21:15 |
| jd__ | so far so good | 21:15 |
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| ttx | Other news / questions about Ceilometer ? | 21:15 |
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| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:16 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:16 |
| ttx | #link Swift RC1 is out | 21:16 |
| ttx | err | 21:16 |
| notmyname | i | 21:16 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:16 |
| ttx | #info Swift RC1 is out | 21:16 |
| ttx | Nothing on your havana-rc-potential list | 21:17 |
| ttx | Does that mean there is no known need for a last-minute respin at this point ? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so far, everything looks good | 21:17 |
| ttx | great! | 21:17 |
| ttx | I like that. | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | many of us are in Austin right now at a 3 day hackathon. churning through reviews and features. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | nothing to mention for the havana release | 21:18 |
| notmyname | release notes are up | 21:18 |
| ttx | notmyname: I saw that. thx | 21:18 |
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| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:18 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:19 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:19 |
| ttx | #info Glance RC2 is out | 21:19 |
| ttx | Nothing on your havana-rc-potential list | 21:19 |
| ttx | All good so far ? | 21:19 |
| markwash | So far | 21:19 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Glance ? | 21:19 |
| markwash | Not from me | 21:19 |
| ttx | markwash: great, thx | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:20 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hola | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 21:20 |
| ttx | #info Neutron RC2 is out | 21:20 |
| ttx | Looking at the havana-rc-potential list: | 21:20 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:20 |
| ttx | So... bug 1236439 | 21:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236439 in neutron "switch to use hostnames like nova breaks upgrades of l3-agent" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236439 | 21:21 |
| ttx | Do you want to document it as a known upgrade issue at this point ? | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | changing the value one way or another breaks somethign | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | right now that is our current thinking | 21:21 |
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| ttx | Is there any way to let the user choose the lesser evil ? Like having people upgrading keep grizzly behavior | 21:22 |
| ttx | or does it have to be manual ? | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | we're thinking on publishing a script to reschedule the agents | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | rescheduling fixes the issue | 21:23 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: publishing.. in the release notes, right ? | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | most likely | 21:23 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ok | 21:24 |
| ttx | at least distros could pick up the script in their upgrade scripts | 21:24 |
| ttx | markmcclain: please push it to the bug as soon as you have it | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | will do | 21:25 |
| ttx | then copy it to release notes | 21:25 |
| ttx | and while you're at it fill in other chapters of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana for Neutron | 21:25 |
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| ttx | or delegate to someone who will, before end of day, tomorrow :) | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | will do | 21:25 |
| ttx | markmcclain: any other kitten killer / showstopper ? | 21:26 |
| ttx | apart from the ones I know about ? | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | no | 21:26 |
| ttx | ok, so no RC3 at this point | 21:26 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Neutron ? | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | I'm hoping no RC3.. nothing else from me | 21:27 |
| ttx | markmcclain: thx! | 21:27 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:27 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hi! | 21:27 |
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| ttx | hmm, no jgriffith yet? | 21:28 |
| ttx | #undo | 21:28 |
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| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:28 |
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| ttx | russellb: around? | 21:28 |
| russellb | hi | 21:29 |
| russellb | sorry! | 21:29 |
| ttx | #info Nova RC2 is out | 21:29 |
| ttx | Looking at your havana-rc-potential list: | 21:29 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:30 |
| russellb | added another to the list today | 21:30 |
| ttx | There was some concern around bug 1239484 but analysis revealed a user corner case afaict | 21:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1239484 in nova "failed nova db migration upgrading from grizzly to havana" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239484 | 21:30 |
| russellb | but unless someone tells me otherwise, we can defer it to stable/havana | 21:30 |
| ttx | bug 1230925 is just somethign we would pack in a RC3 if any | 21:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1230925 in nova "Require new python-cinderclient for Havana" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1230925 | 21:30 |
| russellb | yep | 21:30 |
| ttx | leaves us with bug 1221664 | 21:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1221664 in nova "xenapi: configdrive does not include network details" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221664 | 21:30 |
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| russellb | not clear from the bug or commit message if it's regression | 21:31 |
| russellb | sounds like it's not | 21:31 |
| ttx | russellb: yes, that would probably be a stable/havana backport | 21:31 |
| russellb | i can try to talk to john tomorrow morning, but he marked it as medium | 21:31 |
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| ttx | unless it's a true regression | 21:31 |
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| ttx | right, so no RC3 at this point | 21:32 |
| russellb | yep! | 21:32 |
| ttx | russellb: anything else on your mind ? | 21:32 |
| russellb | plenty, but nothing we need to discuss now | 21:32 |
| ttx | russellb: how is summit scheduling going for nova so far ? | 21:33 |
| comstud | just found a nova cells delete bug.. not sure if that'll be worthy of an rc3 | 21:33 |
| comstud | :) | 21:33 |
| dansmith | comstud: nobody uses cells, so, no | 21:33 |
| comstud | right! | 21:33 |
| russellb | ttx: well ... set a deadline for proposals on thursday | 21:33 |
| ttx | comstud: is that a regression compared to grizzly cells ? | 21:33 |
| comstud | yes | 21:33 |
| russellb | i've recruited a few people to help with scheduling, so we'll start soon | 21:33 |
| russellb | comstud: have a bug filed? | 21:34 |
| comstud | not yet.. *just* found it | 21:34 |
| russellb | ah | 21:34 |
| comstud | like during this meeting | 21:34 |
| comstud | :) | 21:34 |
| russellb | comstud: if only we had that cells job running :-p | 21:34 |
| ttx | comstud: sounds like a documentable issue and a nice stable/havana fix :P | 21:34 |
| comstud | this is hard to test | 21:34 |
| ttx | whoi deletes cells anyway | 21:34 |
| comstud | i think we're deleting from api cell but not child cell | 21:34 |
| comstud | so according to API, everything appears oka | 21:34 |
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| russellb | shall we discuss more in #openstack-nova ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | comstud: I'll let you narrow it down and talk to you after meeting | 21:35 |
| comstud | yah | 21:35 |
| ttx | in #openstack-nova | 21:35 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Nova ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | comstud: also, file a bug when you can | 21:36 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:36 |
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| shardy | o/ | 21:36 |
| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:36 |
| ttx | #info Heat RC2 is out | 21:36 |
| ttx | Nothing on your rc-potential list | 21:36 |
| shardy | Nothing RC3-worthy so far | 21:36 |
| shardy | so all looking good atm :) | 21:37 |
| ttx | about that keystone bug, how did that fly under the radar so far ? | 21:37 |
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| ttx | (if it breaks Heat trusts) | 21:37 |
| shardy | ttx: Heat trusts landed late, and I've been working around several keystone and keystoneclient issues | 21:37 |
| shardy | ttx: It wasn't an immediately obvious issue, and the keystone tests didn't catch it | 21:38 |
| ttx | shardy: are you positive heat trusts will work with python-keystoneclient fix and that fix in ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | or are we just waitig for the next hurdle | 21:38 |
| ttx | (trying to gauge the need for a RC3 fix vs. a stable/havana one) | 21:38 |
| shardy | ttx: My testing indicates it will, but unfortunately trusts are an immature feature, so we're finding all the issues | 21:39 |
| ttx | shardy: at least it will work in some capacity, right | 21:39 |
| shardy | ttx: without both keystone and keystoneclient fixes it won't work | 21:39 |
| ttx | that == 'True' looks so wrong to me I kinda want it to go away | 21:39 |
| dolphm | ++ | 21:40 |
| shardy | but users can still use the default user/pass instead of trusts, so impact is not that huge if we release with it broken | 21:40 |
| shardy | just disappointing that's all | 21:40 |
| shardy | it's been a long slog getting to this point | 21:40 |
| ttx | shardy: will triplecheck the regression risk is null with dolphm but we can RC3 it | 21:41 |
| ttx | if it gets into master soon enough | 21:41 |
| dolphm | gating into master now | 21:41 |
| ttx | shardy: Other news / questions about Heat ? | 21:41 |
| shardy | ttx: Ok, sure, thanks | 21:41 |
| shardy | ttx, not atm, thanks! | 21:41 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:41 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:42 |
| ttx | #info Horizon RC2 is out | 21:42 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:42 |
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| ttx | Nothing on your rc-potential list | 21:42 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything I should know about ? | 21:42 |
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| gabrielhurley | Nothing I'm aware of. RC2 knocked out the last of everything and nothing's come up. | 21:43 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: you still need to copy a few highlights of your changelog to the release notes at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana | 21:43 |
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| gabrielhurley | yeah, I'll do that. | 21:43 |
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| gabrielhurley | It's such a pain converting reST/HTML into wiki syntax | 21:43 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: yes, i'm a bit disappointed by the change-password workaround but it's probably the best call given how late we discovered that gap | 21:43 |
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| gabrielhurley | yep. nothing that can really be done for now. Maybe as a stable backport in the future | 21:44 |
| ttx | sounds a bit overreaching for a stable backport, but that's a discussion for another day | 21:44 |
| ttx | Other news / questions about Horizon ? | 21:44 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:45 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: no need for a Trove RC3 ? | 21:45 |
| ttx | I'll handle Trove 2013.2 release when I'm done with the rest of the projects, probably Thursday still | 21:46 |
| ttx | jgriffith: around now ? | 21:46 |
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| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:47 |
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| hub_cap | nope ttx (Sry) | 21:47 |
| ttx | will give a quick status with the info in my possession | 21:47 |
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| ttx | #info Cinder RC2 is out | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?field.tag=havana-rc-potential | 21:48 |
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| ttx | We have bug 1233861 very likely to trigger a RC3 | 21:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233861 in cinder "Mysql foreign key failure during db migration from 9 to 10" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233861 | 21:48 |
| ttx | since it affects upgrades | 21:48 |
| ttx | that said, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51917/ is not in master yet | 21:48 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:49 |
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| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:49 |
| ttx | well then | 21:50 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 21:50:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-10-15-21.00.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-10-15-21.00.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-10-15-21.00.log.html | 21:50 |
| ttx | thanks everyone, let's do this | 21:50 |
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| gabrielhurley | hello horizon folks. as it turns out, I'm being called into meetings both this week and next during this timeslot, so I'll let someone else lead the meeting. | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle are you available to do so? | 22:00 |
| david-lyle_ | gabrielhurley: sure | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks | 22:00 |
| david-lyle_ | #startmeeting Horizon | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 15 22:01:24 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:01 |
| lsmola_ | hello | 22:01 |
| david-lyle_ | Hello everyone | 22:01 |
| jcoufal | _o/ hey folks | 22:01 |
| jpich | Hello! | 22:01 |
| ktbenton | hello | 22:01 |
| lcheng | hello | 22:01 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll just really quickly lay out the official business: Horizon RC2 was cut as of last night/this morning, and that looks to be the final candidate. Unless an exceptionally critical bug comes up before Thursday that's when the stable/havana branches will be cut and Havana is officially done! | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | Havana is an excellent release and everyone should feel proud of it. | 22:02 |
| jpich | Yay | 22:02 |
| jcoufal | \o/ | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | that's basically all I had, and I have to shift my focus now. I'll try and keep an eye out on IRC here, but david-lyle take it away! :-) | 22:03 |
| kspear | \m/ | 22:03 |
| david-lyle_ | ok, I just wanted to thank everyone for the last minute work on RC2 to get the final issues out the door | 22:03 |
| jpich | Note that there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1239896 which was reported against the milestone-proposed branch | 22:04 |
| david-lyle_ | #topic bugs | 22:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1239896 in horizon "Launching Instance Boot from image (creates a new volume)" [High,Triaged] | 22:04 |
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| jpich | That works under that topic too :) | 22:05 |
| david-lyle_ | ha | 22:05 |
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| jpich | I marked it as backport-proposal rather than as rc-potential for a RC3 since IMO it's not the critical path, nor a regression since (AFAICT?) it was a new feature added during Havana... We're very close to the release date at this point | 22:06 |
| david-lyle_ | I agree that particular case shouldn't be enough for an RC | 22:06 |
| david-lyle_ | legacy main path still works | 22:06 |
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| jpich | Cool. Hopefully we get it fixed soon and can backport it for the first stable point release | 22:07 |
| david-lyle_ | That would be great | 22:07 |
| david-lyle_ | Any other bugs concerning the RC that anyone wants to call attention to? | 22:08 |
| lcheng | @jpich I tried reproducing the bug, aside from the rendering of the table error the instance creation was also failing. This might take some time to fix. | 22:09 |
| david-lyle_ | Ok, since I don't have an agenda... :) | 22:09 |
| david-lyle_ | #topic Open Discussion | 22:10 |
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| jpich | lcheng: Ah, ok. Thank you! I reproduced but didn't look into how to fix, I was hoping it may simply be the table display demanding an image_id | 22:10 |
| jpich | haha | 22:10 |
| ktbenton | Hi, can anyone provide any guidance to move forward with blueprint horizon-routerrules | 22:10 |
| david-lyle_ | ktbenton: last I looked it was being actively reviewed | 22:10 |
| david-lyle_ | can you give a link? | 22:11 |
| jpich | Link? | 22:11 |
| ktbenton | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-routerrules | 22:11 |
| ktbenton | here is the gerrit review | 22:11 |
| ktbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35528/ | 22:11 |
| lcheng | jpich: I was hoping that too when I saw the bug. :) I'll try to spend a bit more time on it. | 22:11 |
| ktbenton | I think we just need more core reviewers | 22:12 |
| david-lyle_ | very actively reviewed :) I'll take a look this evening | 22:12 |
| ktbenton | david-lyle_: thanks, that will be very helpful | 22:13 |
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| jpich | lcheng: Great! Thank you. Keep us posted :) | 22:13 |
| david-lyle_ | ktbenton: thanks for sticking with the changes | 22:13 |
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| jpich | I was hoping to ask about the summit and how many design sessions there are for Horizon - gabrielhurley, if you're around, do you know? Does anyone else? | 22:14 |
| gabrielhurley | jpich: I believe we are allocated 8 sessions, and currently we have 8 proposals... | 22:14 |
| david-lyle_ | I though he said 7 | 22:14 |
| david-lyle_ | oops | 22:15 |
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| jpich | Close enough :) Thanks, gabrielhurley, david-lyle | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | actually, I think we have 9 proposed now | 22:15 |
| gabrielhurley | but 8 slots is what summit.openstack.org shows me for "available" | 22:15 |
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| jpich | It doesn't look like anyone proposed any integration session for/with new projects this time around | 22:16 |
| david-lyle_ | jpich: incubated projects? | 22:16 |
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| jcoufal | There is one for UX | 22:17 |
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| jcoufal | and it is connected a bit to one update I have here | 22:17 |
| jcoufal | UX community has officially proposed new separate OpenStack program for the whole user experience | 22:18 |
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| jcoufal | you can see more details here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016571.html | 22:18 |
| jpich | david-lyle_: Yeah, I found these sessions really really interesting last time. I guess we already have Trove in, and Savana also already has their dashboard project on stackforge | 22:18 |
| jpich | jcoufal: Great :D | 22:18 |
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| david-lyle_ | jpich: designate also has some preliminary Horizon work as does Tuskar | 22:19 |
| david-lyle_ | jcoufal: +1 | 22:19 |
| jcoufal | just smaller mistakes - it's not incubation application, it's program proposal, was corrected in the thread 2 mails later :) | 22:19 |
| jcoufal | jpich: There is also expected to be one session for Tuskar UI and it might include part of Horizon integration | 22:20 |
| jcoufal | but it should be under TripleO project | 22:20 |
| jpich | jcoufal: Oh, that'd be neat! | 22:20 |
| david-lyle_ | any Tuskar folks wanting to demo? talk integration? could be part of the IA session | 22:20 |
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| david-lyle_ | since it is a bit of an odd-ball as far as the current IA is concerned | 22:20 |
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| jcoufal | david-lyle_: I think we can cover the integration with Tuskar in Horizon IA slot and the TripleO slot for Tuskar UI | 22:21 |
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| lsmola_ | jcoufal, +1 | 22:21 |
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| david-lyle_ | jcoufal: I didn't realize there was a TripleO session regarding Tuskar UI, we'll crash that :) | 22:22 |
| david-lyle_ | but I do think it ties into the IA talk well | 22:22 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: not officially proposed yet, I am putting a concept together in these days :) | 22:22 |
| lsmola_ | david-lyle there will be also tuskar-ui and tripleo demo :-) | 22:23 |
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| david-lyle_ | I look forward to it | 22:24 |
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| jcoufal | Another short update from UX point of view, since we discussed it here last time | 22:24 |
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| david-lyle_ | jcoufal: any update on an IA proposal? or do we start at the summit and build from there? | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | askbot for ux related discussions is up on special temporary openshift account | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | it just needs few customizations and it can go out | 22:25 |
| david-lyle_ | jcoufal: +1 on both | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle_: regarding the IA | 22:26 |
| jpich | jcoufal: Looking forward to it :) | 22:26 |
| jcoufal | I definitely want to sent something out at least one week before the summit | 22:26 |
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| jcoufal | so everybody can put their heads around the issue and think about some other approaches or how to improve that | 22:27 |
| jcoufal | still trying to put together first draft of options with couple of people who are interested in | 22:28 |
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| david-lyle_ | thanks jcoufal, I think it will help to let people bring ideas rather than just reactions | 22:28 |
| jcoufal | definitely | 22:29 |
| jcoufal | if there is anybody who want to jump in into brainstorming, he is definitely welcome | 22:29 |
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| jcoufal | I will start some thread about that in UX group so you can follow the discussion there | 22:29 |
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| david-lyle_ | great | 22:30 |
| david-lyle_ | kspear: are you here? | 22:31 |
| kspear | david-lyle_: o/ | 22:31 |
| david-lyle_ | any thoughts on policy checks... project scope and default rules that check project ownership? | 22:32 |
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| david-lyle_ | not sure how to address that, other than a rather vacuous check | 22:33 |
| kspear | ah i neglected your review | 22:33 |
| david-lyle_ | well, just in general | 22:34 |
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| david-lyle_ | I don't feel neglected, just hoping for some insight :) | 22:34 |
| kspear | my main concern is getting away from the "admin or nothing" state of permissions | 22:34 |
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| david-lyle_ | well, role checks will still work too | 22:34 |
| kspear | we have some more complicated rules in our deployment | 22:35 |
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| kspear | i thought the idea was to replace the role checks? | 22:35 |
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| kspear | eventually... | 22:35 |
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| david-lyle_ | well role grants are how you define user capabilities | 22:36 |
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| david-lyle_ | not just admin and member, but operator defined roles | 22:36 |
| david-lyle_ | domain_admininstrator for instance | 22:37 |
| david-lyle_ | wow, spelled the heck out of that | 22:37 |
| kspear | haha | 22:37 |
| kspear | we likewise have a ProjectManager role | 22:38 |
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| david-lyle_ | the operator updates their policy file to check for that role, then the policy engine validates that role is in the user's token | 22:38 |
| kspear | i guess the current issue is where we talk about target policies | 22:39 |
| david-lyle_ | yes, because the services have a different frame of reference than Horizon does | 22:40 |
| kspear | so one of our policies is that a ProjectManager can add a certain role (target) to a user | 22:40 |
| david-lyle_ | so the target would be {role:<role_name>} | 22:41 |
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| david-lyle_ | ah, I see | 22:41 |
| kspear | something like that. keystone has just added support for this | 22:41 |
| kspear | we're still running based on custom patches to keystone v2 api | 22:42 |
| kspear | but the idea would be to support this through policy definitions only | 22:42 |
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| david-lyle_ | I agree, that's the goal, but you installation would have to alter the policy.json files | 22:42 |
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| kspear | that's fine. for v2 we needed to create specific code checkpoints that hardcoded a policy name. v3 allows more flexibility than that | 22:44 |
| david-lyle_ | let me think about it and I'll see if what we have works for that, because I think your example of a target may be different | 22:44 |
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| kspear | my example might be a little contrived, since there are other limitations in the system that interfere with what i want to do with this | 22:45 |
| kspear | another example i had was a deployment where users shared tenants | 22:45 |
| kspear | but each user could only modify objects that they own explicitly | 22:45 |
| kspear | e.g., instances they created | 22:46 |
| kspear | this would be a target user_id check | 22:46 |
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| david-lyle_ | where do we get the user_id from? | 22:46 |
| kspear | the instance object | 22:46 |
| david-lyle_ | one side of the check needs to be hardcoded | 22:47 |
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| david-lyle_ | ok, I'll hit ping you offline | 22:48 |
| david-lyle_ | s/hit// | 22:48 |
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| kspear | david-lyle_: sure | 22:49 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle_: :) | 22:49 |
| david-lyle_ | anyone else still around and have anything to raise? | 22:49 |
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| * kspear grins | 22:50 | |
| david-lyle_ | Alright, Havana's seemingly in the bag, time to focus on Icehouse. | 22:52 |
| david-lyle_ | #endmeeting | 22:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 15 22:52:42 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-10-15-22.01.html | 22:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-10-15-22.01.txt | 22:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-10-15-22.01.log.html | 22:52 |
| lsmola_ | thank you, have a good night | 22:52 |
| jpich | Let's. Thanks david-lyle_! | 22:52 |
| jcoufal | thanks david-lyle_ was smooth | 22:52 |
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| david-lyle_ | Have a good week everyone! | 22:52 |
| kspear | night/morning all | 22:53 |
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