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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 15:00:17 2013 UTC. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| jd__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 15:00 |
| dragondm | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| jd__ | hi everybody | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:00 |
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| sandywalsh | o/ | 15:01 |
| xingzhou | o/ | 15:01 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 15:02 |
| jd__ | #topic Review Havana-2 milestone | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Havana-2 milestone (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| jd__ | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-2 | 15:02 |
| jd__ | we did some progress, so congrats | 15:03 |
| jd__ | don't forget to update your blueprint statut to make me happy | 15:03 |
| jd__ | anyone wants to add something about these bp/bugs? | 15:03 |
| eglynn | might be slightly off-topic, but just wondering about non-mongodb support for metadata-query | 15:04 |
| eglynn | related to the approach around instance metadata to identify autoscaling groups etc. | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | that we discussed the other day ... | 15:04 |
| eglynn | requires that the alarm threshold eval logic is querying something like ... | 15:05 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, perhaps the schema work I'm doing around events might be applicable to that? | 15:05 |
| eglynn | GET /v2/meters/cpu_util?q.op=eq&q.value=foobar&q.field=metadata.autoscaling_group | 15:05 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: I think it will | 15:05 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: could be | 15:05 |
| sandywalsh | Events have Traits ... where traits are essentially metadata | 15:05 |
| jd__ | but nobody's working on that actually eg | 15:06 |
| jd__ | but nobody's working on that actually eglynn | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | I'm saying just to worry you more | 15:06 |
| eglynn | :) | 15:06 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 15:06 |
| * eglynn just had a wobble about building in a dependency on mongo only ... | 15:06 | |
| sandywalsh | yep, rightfully so :) | 15:06 |
| gordc | it's just sql that needs metadata support right? i vaguely remember seeing a patch for hbase. | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yep, it was mysql I had in mind | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | anyhoo, I've dragged the meeting off-topic | 15:07 |
| eglynn | (not in scope for h2 I'd imagine) | 15:08 |
| eglynn | (unless someone steps up with a sqlalchmey metadata-query patch) | 15:08 |
| gordc | eglynn, i think we had some ppl reviewing how to support sql metadata query but i'm not sure about the status on that. might be taking another path. | 15:08 |
| gordc | i'll let you know if i hear anything. | 15:08 |
| eglynn | gordc: thanks! | 15:09 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, the event-based approach is a bit of a radical change since the meters wouldn't duplicate the metadata, but rather, point back to the underlying event. So, that might affect your efforts in many other ways. | 15:09 |
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| sandywalsh | eglynn, the meters may add new metadata (traits) though | 15:09 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: right, but still possible/efficient to do metadata/trait matching in meter queries? | 15:10 |
| sandywalsh | (then the whole debate comes up about modeling meters as Events, but I'll leave that :) | 15:10 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, I think so. Once I wrap up this event collector, we're going to pound it to check performance | 15:10 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: cool | 15:10 |
| sandywalsh | early tests are promising | 15:10 |
| eglynn | nice! | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | not many things to discuss anyway so go on :) | 15:13 |
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| sandywalsh | when's the Havana 2 deadline again? | 15:13 |
| eglynn | release expected on July 18th IIRC | 15:14 |
| sandywalsh | cool, thx | 15:14 |
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| sandywalsh | jd__, how are we looking on code reviews? | 15:14 |
| jd__ | pretty good I think | 15:14 |
| sandywalsh | good to hear | 15:14 |
| jd__ | the backlog isn't giant | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | release expected on July 18th IIRC | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | doh | 15:15 |
| eglynn | meh, serious lag on IRC today ... | 15:16 |
| llu-laptop | sandy, about https://review.openstack.org/32714, is string of 255 large enough? | 15:16 |
| llu-laptop | what the performance penalty of string 1024 compared to 255? | 15:16 |
| sandywalsh | llu-laptop, million dollar question. But I think it's a good line in the sand. Don't want the Trait strings to be a dumping ground. | 15:16 |
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| sandywalsh | I'll be adding an external json table next so large strings should go there | 15:17 |
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| llu-laptop | sandywalsh: ok, got that | 15:17 |
| sandywalsh | my fear is URL's right now ... but 255 should be ok for that (I hope) | 15:18 |
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| thomasem | sandywalsh: There would never be a larger URL than that? | 15:19 |
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| sandywalsh | thomasem, depends if someone does some crazy GET parameters | 15:19 |
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| sandywalsh | but, that gets into a json vs. string issue again. Don't want to try and figure that all out beforehand. Adjust accordingly later. | 15:20 |
| thomasem | sandywalsh: Sure, hmmm? | 15:21 |
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| thomasem | sandywalsh: First thought that comes to mind, have the possibility of a long string if needed as a data type? | 15:23 |
| sandywalsh | the problem is mysql and managing the page size | 15:23 |
| sandywalsh | so they need to be normalized out of the trait table. And in that case, might as well use the text field for large strings (like json) | 15:24 |
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| sandywalsh | I think newer versions of mysql (or postgres) treat json as a first class citizen too. | 15:24 |
| thomasem | sandywalsh: I don't know much about this, so I'll poke around and bring it up once I have better context. | 15:25 |
| sandywalsh | I'm still figuring it out too ... so please share your insights :) | 15:25 |
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| thomasem | sandywalsh: Absolutely. :) Definitely something I want to learn about. | 15:26 |
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| xingzhou | one question on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1188649, have we considered to support mongodb replication set before? as it's a famous feature of mongo | 15:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1188649 in ceilometer "connect to mongodb with pymongo's mongo_client" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:30 |
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| sandywalsh | xingzhou, I think that's a deployment choice ... now the shard key choice is a very serious one we should consider. | 15:31 |
| sandywalsh | xingzhou, but yeah, that would be the way to address that bug | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | does the shard key need to be configurable, or is that something we would be able to set based on our knowledge of the data? | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | I think we need to decide on it, since it's so critical to balancing and query performance | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 15:32 |
| eglynn | is it possible to re-partition after the fact if unbalanced? | 15:33 |
| sandywalsh | we've been talking about it a lot internally and have some opinions ... we should send it to the ml | 15:33 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, it is, but it's very expensive | 15:33 |
| jd__ | FWIW #1188649 is about HA, not sharding | 15:33 |
| sandywalsh | and if you get it wrong mongo will spend all it's time rebalancing | 15:33 |
| eglynn | k | 15:33 |
| sandywalsh | jd__, yes, sorry, replica sets are the way to address that | 15:34 |
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| xingzhou | re jd__, its replica set | 15:34 |
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| jd__ | closing in 2 minutes if nobody speaks :) | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 13 15:45:36 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-06-13-15.00.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-06-13-15.00.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-06-13-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
| jd__ | thanks guys | 15:45 |
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| sdague | hey there, who's around for the tempest meeting today? | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I'm here | 17:01 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 17:01:21 2013 UTC. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: hi | 17:01 |
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| sdague | ok, who else is around? | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | Hi | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Here | 17:01 |
| mpavlase | o/ | 17:02 |
| donaldngo_hp | hello | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | hi | 17:02 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:02 |
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| sdague | so, I was lame, and didn't get around to setting up an agenda this week. So lets do the regular stuff: Blueprints, Crictical Reviews, then open discussion | 17:03 |
| sdague | #topic Blueprints | 17:03 |
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| sdague | #link https://launchpad.net/tempest/+milestone/havana-2 | 17:04 |
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| sdague | ok, havana-2 is there, any updates from folks? | 17:05 |
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| sdague | I'm going to make it a fast meeting if no one else speaks up :) | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | sdague: nothing from me... | 17:06 |
| afazekas | speed up tempest | 17:06 |
| ravikumar_hp | sdague: I will start submitting from next week | 17:06 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: ok good | 17:06 |
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| ravikumar_hp | Keystone and network | 17:06 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: want to give an update on the testr state of things? | 17:06 |
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| sdague | anyone else with blueprint updates? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | sdague: so I've got the fixtures prototype out there now. I'm working on using the testtools extension test suite FixtureSuite for the list tests | 17:07 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: cool | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Any comment about the cleanup performance issue? | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | FixtureSuite (at least according to the testtools documentation) does the fixture setup before all the tests and cleanup after all the tests which is what we are looking for | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | but I'm not sure how it integrates with testr (if at all) | 17:08 |
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| davidkranz | mtreinish: I meant the one-phase vs two-phase issue. | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | davidkranz: I haven't had a chance to look at your suggestion about the 2 phase cleanup yet | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: That's OK. | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | davidkranz: but it sounds like it could be used to solve the issue | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: But I don't think we will be able to live with sequential delete in a large system. | 17:09 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: I guess a new runner based on testtools can be implemented which able to call the setupclass, the testtools in theory designed to be extensible | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: no we won't | 17:09 |
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| davidkranz | mtreinish: Just saying I think we need to solve that problem before committing this kind of change. | 17:10 |
| sdague | davidkranz: honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about solving that problem in advance though. We need to do it eventually | 17:10 |
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| afazekas | mtreinish:This can be the fastest way to have have PoC with testr subunit testtools .. | 17:10 |
| sdague | but we're going to go to 4 tests running in parallel so the delete case may very well still not hurt us | 17:10 |
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| sdague | we'll see what the timing looks like across the suite as a whole | 17:11 |
| sdague | ok, anything else on blueprints? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | sdague, davidkranz: yeah it should only really be a hit on things like the list tests where we create and delete multiple resources per test | 17:11 |
| adalbas | yes, sdague , about the grenade on the gate | 17:11 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I agree with you in upstream but people are running tempest on larger systems downstream. | 17:11 |
| sdague | davidkranz: but our tests define the number of resources | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah it probably will, I plan to look at it after I'm finished my FixtureSuite experiment | 17:12 |
| sdague | if downstream has forked tempest which they haven't contributed back, it's not that concerning to me | 17:12 |
| sdague | adalbas: go for it | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I'm only saying this because it should be fairly simple to fix. I am not talking about forking downstream, just running. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | Anyway, we can move on. | 17:13 |
| adalbas | there is one issue that glance show is returning deleted images | 17:13 |
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| sdague | davidkranz: right, we might be talking across each other | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | adalbas: is that the one you asked me about from before | 17:13 |
| sdague | adalbas: cool, has the bug been registered on glance? | 17:13 |
| adalbas | and this is causing one of the tempest smoke tests to fail | 17:13 |
| adalbas | mtreinish, yes. | 17:14 |
| adalbas | the devstack environment is ok | 17:14 |
| adalbas | but not on grenade | 17:14 |
| adalbas | that might be something about the upgrade | 17:14 |
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| adalbas | not sure if something changed on the db schema. I looked over config files and there seem to be nothing that would cause this there | 17:15 |
| sdague | ok, sounds like an issue we should bring into the #openstack-qa channel, as if that's the last thing holding up gating on grenade, we want to get to the bottom of it | 17:15 |
| afazekas | abalbas: are you speaking about the image_2id exception ? (Or something similar) | 17:15 |
| sdague | but probably not debug in this meeting | 17:15 |
| adalbas | sure sdague | 17:15 |
| sdague | ok, let's jump to reviews that people need | 17:15 |
| sdague | #topic Reviews Needed | 17:16 |
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| mpavlase | what 'grenade' means in OpenStack context? | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, time to pimp your reviews | 17:16 |
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| sdague | mpavlase: grenade is upgrade testing, going from grizzly -> master | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | mpavlase: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Grenade | 17:16 |
| mpavlase | sdague: thank you | 17:16 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Grenade | 17:16 |
| sdague | ok, any reviews people need eyes on? | 17:17 |
| adalbas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31961/ | 17:17 |
| adalbas | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32460/ | 17:17 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31961/ | 17:17 |
| sdague | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32460/ | 17:17 |
| adalbas | tks sdague | 17:17 |
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| sdague | ok, I'll take a look after the meeting | 17:18 |
| afazekas | adalbas: is your flavor response line contains the same id in the [0] and [1] index ? | 17:18 |
| sdague | any other ones | 17:18 |
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| adalbas | yes afazekas | 17:19 |
| adalbas | it gets the default_instance_type and when it builds the array, the value is duplicated in the first 2 positions | 17:19 |
| adalbas | going over a loop would eliminate that | 17:20 |
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| afazekas | makes sense | 17:20 |
| sdague | adalbas: cool, great | 17:21 |
| sdague | any other reviews? | 17:21 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:21 |
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| sdague | ok, open discussion, any other topics? | 17:21 |
| davidkranz | #topic Multinode testing | 17:22 |
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| davidkranz | Is this on our roadmap now? | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | I thought it was but can't find mention of it anywhere. | 17:22 |
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| afazekas | It is on my road map, I do not know what is the others opinion. | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: Is there a blueprint? | 17:23 |
| sdague | davidkranz: no one had brought in a blueprint with a committed schedule on it | 17:23 |
| sdague | so there is no targetted havana blueprint at this point | 17:23 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: What do we need from ci? | 17:23 |
| sdague | davidkranz: I don't know, that would all be part and parcel of the blueprint | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I'll ask the ci folks then. | 17:24 |
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| sdague | I expect this to be a lot of work, as you'll need to coordinate devstack installs across 2 nodes | 17:25 |
| sdague | it's a good thing to work, for sure, just realize it's a lot of heads down time | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Yes, and get the two nodes in the first place. | 17:25 |
| sdague | would be great to have an owner driving this | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | sdague: I'll work on that. | 17:26 |
| sdague | cool | 17:26 |
| sdague | other topics for discussion? | 17:26 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:27 |
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| sdague | going once.... | 17:27 |
| sdague | going twice.... | 17:27 |
| afazekas | module import | 17:27 |
| sdague | ok | 17:27 |
| sdague | afazekas: go for it | 17:28 |
| afazekas | Do we want to follow this hacking rule , or we want to remove it from the documentation ? | 17:28 |
| sdague | I would like to follow it | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: so we aren't in compliance with this rule at all right now | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | it's disabled | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | but we should be in compliance I think | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | (we want to be) | 17:29 |
| sdague | right, but the question is whether we drop it from our guidelines | 17:29 |
| sdague | I honestly find reading the code is a lot easier when you don't have to guess where the modules are coming from | 17:29 |
| afazekas | 2000 line change, and it does not gives better readability always | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: Which rule exactly? | 17:30 |
| afazekas | import only module | 17:30 |
| sdague | afazekas: it doesn't always, but in a lot of cases it does | 17:30 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: Oh, I thought we already did that in tempest. I must be wrong. | 17:30 |
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| sdague | I'd call it a low priority item to fix | 17:30 |
| sdague | but I'd still like to see it fixed | 17:30 |
| sdague | the only rules I really want us to ignore, personally, are E123 and E125 which definitely overreach | 17:31 |
| sdague | ok, other items for discussion? | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | sdague: the current ignore list is: E125,H302,H404 | 17:32 |
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| afazekas | The alphabetic order usually tricky when you changes multiple files | 17:32 |
| sdague | afazekas: yeh, but it's handy for reading | 17:32 |
| sdague | 302 is the import, what's 404 again? | 17:32 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: As I remember you also recommended 3 import group | 17:32 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: How do you find out what these codes are? | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | sdague: docstring rule | 17:33 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Where are they defined? | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah group it by python std lib import, 3rd party, and tempest | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: it's in tox.ini | 17:33 |
| sdague | davidkranz: the hacking rules are in - https://github.com/openstack-dev/hacking/blob/master/hacking/core.py (HXXX codes) | 17:33 |
| afazekas | Probably it is doable to order them by a script if the rule is well defined for this | 17:33 |
| sdague | the others are in pep8 | 17:33 |
| davidkranz | sdague: OK, thanks. | 17:34 |
| sdague | tox.ini defines what we skip | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: oh, sry I misread what you asked, I thought you asked where the ignore list was | 17:34 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: do you have a recommendation to the ordering of the three group ? | 17:35 |
| sdague | afazekas: it's in HACKING.rst | 17:35 |
| sdague | {{stdlib imports in human alphabetical order}} | 17:35 |
| sdague | \n | 17:35 |
| sdague | {{third-party lib imports in human alphabetical order}} | 17:35 |
| sdague | \n | 17:35 |
| sdague | {{tempest imports in human alphabetical order}} | 17:35 |
| sdague | there is an example there as well | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok, anything else for today? | 17:36 |
| afazekas | sdague: "yeah group it by python std lib import, 3rd party, and tempest" | 17:36 |
| sdague | going once... | 17:37 |
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| sdague | going twice... | 17:37 |
| sdague | ok, let's take any further discussion to #openstack-qa - it's always open, and good place to chat on all things QA | 17:37 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 13 17:38:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-06-13-17.01.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-06-13-17.01.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-06-13-17.01.log.html | 17:38 |
| sdague | thanks all | 17:38 |
| mlavalle | thank you | 17:38 |
| afazekas | bye | 17:38 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 18:00:11 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | good morning / afternoon / evening OSSG | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | Bryan Payne from Nebula here | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | who else is joining today? | 18:01 |
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| rellerreller | Here, but checking out a few minutes early | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | hrm, perhaps it's just us today? | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | anything you want to discuss? | 18:03 |
| rellerreller | I don't really have anything. | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | ok… I don't have much for this week either | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | so perhaps we'll just cancel for today | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | thanks for attending rellerreller :-) | 18:04 |
| rellerreller | I'm ok with that | 18:04 |
| rellerreller | No problem :-) | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 13 18:04:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-06-13-18.00.html | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-06-13-18.00.txt | 18:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-06-13-18.00.log.html | 18:04 |
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| rlp | Sorry I missed the security meeting. | 18:19 |
| rlp | :( | 18:19 |
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| rpodolyaka_ | db meeting time? | 19:06 |
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| boris-42 | it seems that nobody cares | 19:59 |
| harlowja | i care! | 19:59 |
| harlowja | :-p | 19:59 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 20:00:28 2013 UTC. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi all! | 20:00 |
| kebray | hello | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hey hey | 20:00 |
| kchenweijie | hi | 20:00 |
| harlowja | yo yo | 20:01 |
| jlucci | hurr | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:01 |
| harlowja | not so much from my end to discuss, everyone busy doing *work* i thinks | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | i invited jgriffith so maybe we can also talk about cinder more stuffs | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | H2 targets and H3 and such | 20:02 |
| harlowja | i guess go over action items from last time first | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-06-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| harlowja | no adrian, so can skip that :-p | 20:03 |
| harlowja | i didn't get around to the launchpad openness issue yet :( | 20:03 |
| harlowja | *seems like the launchpad is restricted access only, unsure how to open from restricted | 20:03 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 20:04 |
| harlowja | jlucci i think u did some stuff also | 20:04 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: sorry.. late as usual | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | np | 20:04 |
| harlowja | just going over anything we said was an action item from last week | 20:04 |
| jlucci | Yeah, so starting on my first action item - abstracting out celery so user only sees taskflow task class | 20:04 |
| harlowja | woot | 20:04 |
| harlowja | and there was a mini-meeting with heat people | 20:05 |
| jlucci | Using .provides and .requires from your task annotations are coming in supah handy | 20:05 |
| hemna | harlowja, did you want me to pull the patch and test again yet? | 20:05 |
| harlowja | hemna u can if u want, i'm still doing local testing (slowly but surely) | 20:05 |
| hemna | ok | 20:05 |
| harlowja | so all good stuff, i think the takeaway from the heat meeting, was that they have a little bit of the same stuff as taskflow and we should come up with a plan to figure out what goes where and how | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | *so more to dicsuss there i think | 20:06 |
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| kebray | harlowja: agreed. | 20:07 |
| harlowja | coolness | 20:07 |
| jlucci | I've been talking with Randall on how to go about some of that | 20:07 |
| harlowja | so thx jlucci ! | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | it'd be nice to document that stuff, after it becomes less 'cloudy' | 20:08 |
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| jlucci | agreed | 20:08 |
| harlowja | so do we want to do a little round of what is everyone working on, would that be useful? | 20:09 |
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| kebray | I have two things for when we get to "Open Topics".. just fyi. | 20:09 |
| harlowja | k | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | #topic round-of-things-happening | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | so i'm bringing up grizzly on y!s openstack vms, testing cinder stuff there, slowly making progress, getting some good code review feedback from jgriffith and others | 20:10 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29862/ | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | also having to attend all there annoying internal meetings :-p | 20:11 |
| harlowja | *all these | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | hehe :) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | thats about what i am doing, working on http://anvil.readthedocs.org/ since thats my setup tool of choice (i build that so have to use it) | 20:11 |
| harlowja | *built that* | 20:12 |
| harlowja | jlucci kchenweijie what have u guys been doing :-P | 20:12 |
| harlowja | *or anyone else doing stuff out there in the ether? | 20:12 |
| jlucci | so | 20:12 |
| jlucci | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DistributedTaskManagement | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | jlucci u look like the progressive insurance lady?? | 20:13 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:13 |
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| jlucci | Wrote up some documentation on the distributed approach to accompany the code/explain why distributed should be used | 20:13 |
| jlucci | lol | 20:13 |
| jlucci | Yeah. That's totally my picture up there. | 20:13 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | i knew it | 20:14 |
| jlucci | Other than that. Still working on test cases/fleshing out code. And then also abstracting out celery through the taskflow task class | 20:14 |
| harlowja | very awesome | 20:14 |
| jlucci | Yeah…people stop me in the street all the time. so annoying. :P | 20:14 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:14 |
| harlowja | *stop trying to buy insurance from me gosh darn it | 20:14 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:14 |
| kchenweijie | i guess its my turn now :P | 20:15 |
| kebray | Well, I'll cover one of my Open Topics now: harlowja, to build a little more on the conversation we were having yesterday about distributed execution engines for data-dependent control flows. This paper describes some of the advantages in the intro: http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/173947/thesis-corrected.pdf | 20:15 |
| kchenweijie | or not xD | 20:15 |
| kebray | sorry kchenweijie.. I'm just piling on to jlucci's update. | 20:15 |
| kchenweijie | no problem | 20:15 |
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| kebray | Anyway.. that's bedtime reading for later discussion. | 20:15 |
| kebray | we can move on. | 20:16 |
| harlowja | i wonder what the 'thesis-uncorrected' was :-P | 20:16 |
| harlowja | cool kchenweijie what have u been up to | 20:16 |
| harlowja | kebray def something to read over :) | 20:16 |
| kchenweijie | ive been working towards making the general api we discussed yesterday | 20:17 |
| kchenweijie | ive made a basic template for what each backend api should be able to do and im working towards making the current sqlalchemy api match that | 20:17 |
| harlowja | awesome | 20:17 |
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| kchenweijie | right now, i only have the persistence portion of the full api, but i want to make sure this works before i continue | 20:17 |
| harlowja | makes sense to me | 20:18 |
| kchenweijie | thats it for me | 20:18 |
| harlowja | jgriffith this will help provide the persistance layer for tasks that can be pretty nice for future awesomeness in cinder | 20:18 |
| harlowja | *and elsewhere* | 20:18 |
| harlowja | it will be a key part of everything in the futurei hope :) | 20:18 |
| harlowja | no pressure kchenweijie ;) | 20:19 |
| kchenweijie | i got this. | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | cool | 20:19 |
| kchenweijie | maybe. | 20:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | thanks for explanation | 20:19 |
| harlowja | np | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | ok, well all great stuff, i think everyone is pretty heads down, any other folk from att or nttdata around, i think they might be working on some stuff also | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja follow up with them offline | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | so before open discussion, maybe have our honored guest jgriffith and us can discuss about cinder stuff | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 20:21 |
| harlowja | #topic cinder-steps | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | hear ye hear ye | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | So I think things are looking good | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | this is going to help a ton | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | my only concern up to this point is some of the complications it introduces WRT debug | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | and getting everybody up to speed on the new task-flows | 20:21 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | I think it's worth the investment however... | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | I'm most anxious to see what take up is lookign like in other projects :) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | so the debug one, i can see what u mean there, initially i think the way it will work (without the persistance part) will be pretty similar to the current way of working | 20:22 |
| hemna | it's pretty complicated to use IMO | 20:22 |
| jlucci | What makes it complicated for you hemna? | 20:23 |
| harlowja | also jgriffith i think we can address the 'up to speed' part somehow, documentation maybe, not exactly sure | 20:23 |
| harlowja | and hemna how can we make it less complicated, at your service :( | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: Yeah, that's a normal part of something new.. not a terribly big deal | 20:24 |
| hemna | heh | 20:24 |
| harlowja | *oops thats :) not :( | 20:24 |
| hemna | well I'm still trying to wrap my head around it | 20:24 |
| kebray | harlowja, jgriffith, what do you all see as the path to getting another project to take dependency on TF? I have "some" pull with reddwarf. | 20:24 |
| jlucci | haha Yeah. I second the let us know how to make it less complicated. :D | 20:24 |
| hemna | maybe I'm just dumb :) | 20:24 |
| harlowja | nah | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | kebray: so I don't have any feelings on any project over another | 20:24 |
| harlowja | we all dumb | 20:24 |
| kebray | If myself or adrian can do anything to help, totally willing to do so on getting other projects on board. | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | kebray: I just want to make sure it moves in to a common usage patters | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | pattern | 20:25 |
| hemna | I'll go through the review again and see if I can come up with some constructive ideas | 20:25 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:25 |
| harlowja | thx hemna | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | and I think when it gets broader scope there will be better feed-back and it'll grow | 20:25 |
| hemna | I haven't looked at it much in a few weeks due to my work I've been doing | 20:25 |
| harlowja | i think it likely has room for improvements hemna aas all new stuff does | 20:25 |
| hemna | sure | 20:25 |
| harlowja | jgriffith agreed | 20:25 |
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| jgriffith | harlowja: I think to hemna 's point... | 20:25 |
| hemna | I really think it's a great idea | 20:25 |
| kebray | jgriffith: ok, makes sense. We're working on a plan to pitch to the Heat team for integration there… not sure how successful we will be yet.. timing wise, I'm thinking we must do so by next summit. I'd like to see harlowja give lot's of presentations and talks on TF at next summit :-) | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: it's hard to pick out some of the things via the source at first (at least it was for me) | 20:26 |
| harlowja | so kebray maybe reddwarf, maybe ironic, john garbutt from nova could there also, it depends on resourcing i think and who can devote time/energy to using it | 20:26 |
| jgriffith | I need to have a look at your seq diagrams again... that may help | 20:26 |
| harlowja | kebray lots of presentations, wow | 20:26 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:26 |
| hemna | It just was a bit hard to follow the logic in the review and understand the base concepts that require you to get first before the source makes sense. | 20:26 |
| harlowja | hemna understandable | 20:26 |
| jgriffith | kebray: haha! | 20:26 |
| jgriffith | kebray: keep signing up harlowja :) | 20:26 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:26 |
| kebray | hehe | 20:27 |
| hemna | :) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | jgriffith hemna so i think both of those are the initial 'head-wrapping' problems | 20:27 |
| harlowja | *i think* | 20:27 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: I think you're correct | 20:27 |
| harlowja | likely we can provide some small examples that help that | 20:27 |
| hemna | yah | 20:27 |
| kebray | jlucci volunteered to go to Hong Kong. I'll have better luck signing her up for stuff no doubt. | 20:27 |
| harlowja | that would make sense | 20:27 |
| hemna | it's a stumbling block for me | 20:27 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:27 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: kebray any feedback/interest from Nova, Glance ? | 20:27 |
| harlowja | so glance, i haven't been in touch with them that much | 20:28 |
| jgriffith | or are they awaiting conductor? | 20:28 |
| jlucci | I got this kebray. You know you want to send me. ;p | 20:28 |
| kebray | John Garbutt(sp?) has successfully refactored some stuff in Nova in preparation for being able to pull in TF library in the future. | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | jgriffith i think nova is starting to get some of the taskflow concepts, but slowly getting it | 20:28 |
| kchenweijie | man, wish i had these opportunities to travel :P | 20:28 |
| jgriffith | harlowja: got ya | 20:28 |
| kebray | I'm watching the Nova blueprint on that to see how it progresses… so far it's looking good. | 20:28 |
| hemna | we aren't sure about HongKong either....still trying to twist mgmt's arm to get one of us go | 20:28 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29077/ | 20:28 |
| harlowja | for example | 20:29 |
| harlowja | "nova/conductor/tasks/live_migrate.py" | 20:29 |
| harlowja | are very similar to our tasks, but from what i feel, its a little bit of a fight to even get that in, so taskflow ontop of that might have to wait a little | 20:29 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30868/ | 20:29 |
| jgriffith | I see... some prep work there :) | 20:29 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:29 |
| harlowja | i think so | 20:29 |
| harlowja | *slowly but surely i think* | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | Oh... there, that helps | 20:30 |
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| jgriffith | thanks! | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 20:30 |
| harlowja | i've been in contact with john g (the other john g) and keeping in contact | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | So my only concern was that we'd have something unique in Cinder | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | Sometimes that's ok | 20:30 |
| harlowja | not as far as i can tell | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | especially if it's better :) | 20:30 |
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| jgriffith | but just wanted to check on the project wide effort | 20:31 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:31 |
| harlowja | its a valid concern | 20:31 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja create little taskflow examples (not in unit tests, maybe in source tree or something) | 20:31 |
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| hemna | +1! | 20:31 |
| kebray | I think we all want this to be widely adopted. Need to work together to keep evangelizing this all over the place. | 20:31 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:31 |
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| kebray | And, I of course want to spin out a new service on top of it, Convection. | 20:32 |
| kebray | It's a gab in the community's portfolio IMO. | 20:32 |
| kebray | s/gap/gab | 20:32 |
| hemna | better than a scab! | 20:33 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:33 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:33 |
| harlowja | would u guys think that a little wiki that lists the status/developments in each core project might help? | 20:34 |
| harlowja | *nothing major* | 20:34 |
| hemna | yah I think so | 20:34 |
| harlowja | any volunteers ;) | 20:34 |
| kebray | can't hurt. | 20:34 |
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| kebray | crickets. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:35 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:35 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja make little cross-project-status wiki | 20:35 |
| harlowja | :-p | 20:35 |
| jlucci | I'm thinking we could create a general TaskFlow wiki | 20:35 |
| harlowja | could could | 20:35 |
| jlucci | Sub-wikis being different types of patterns | 20:36 |
| jlucci | (linear, distributed, etc) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | +examples and descriptions? | 20:36 |
| jlucci | With use cases for each pattern | 20:36 |
| jlucci | yeah | 20:36 |
| harlowja | that might help hemna and jgriffith | 20:36 |
| harlowja | good idea jlucci | 20:36 |
| jlucci | Lots of pretty pictures too. :D | 20:36 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:36 |
| harlowja | u need to get omnigraffle then :-p | 20:36 |
| harlowja | and then become architect | 20:36 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:36 |
| hemna | yah I think that would help a lot | 20:36 |
| jlucci | But then we could add that cross-project-status on there too | 20:36 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:37 |
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| harlowja | jlucci do u want to start said wiki?? ;) | 20:37 |
| jlucci | Just throwing this out there again… https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DistributedTaskManagement …already has some examples on there | 20:37 |
| kebray | I'm still not convinced why linear / distributed need to be differentiated. There is an ordering to execution in both task-dependent-execution and data-driven-execution. | 20:37 |
| jlucci | o. O | 20:37 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:37 |
| harlowja | sure kebray agreed | 20:37 |
| kebray | You can execute linear task flows using a distributed engine. | 20:37 |
| jlucci | Er, I guess linear wasn't the best word there. The traditional workflow patterns are different from a distributed approach | 20:37 |
| jlucci | So those should get a separate explanation from distributed | 20:38 |
| harlowja | and how it operates slightly differently and all that | 20:38 |
| harlowja | so lets do that, i can make it along with the other wikis | 20:38 |
| kebray | It's an "under-the-hood" operational difference, no? I'm not sure why the top-of-the hood would be painted any different colors. | 20:38 |
| harlowja | lol, as long as u buy insurance from jlucci | 20:39 |
| kebray | haha | 20:39 |
| hemna | pulled the latest patch set down.... | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | thx, i'm reworking a little bit of it due to the reviews comments | 20:39 |
| harlowja | *but not that much* | 20:39 |
| jlucci | haha You're right kebray. Examples would be the same on-top-of-the-hood | 20:40 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja make base-wiki | 20:40 |
| jlucci | Figured it would be nice to explain the under-the-hoods workings too | 20:40 |
| harlowja | agreed, lets work on that, i think it will be very useful for all | 20:40 |
| harlowja | especially going forward | 20:40 |
| harlowja | *more people will wonder about this and such | 20:41 |
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| kebray | If the top-of-the-hood is the same, I'd like to see us align efforts on the under-the-hood if possible. Seems silly to put effort into two different backends that get us the same thing on the front end.. if one approach is better than the other, let's debate and resolve. | 20:41 |
| harlowja | well its only silly if u can get everyone to use the under-the-hood engine at the current time | 20:41 |
| hemna | harlowja, fwiw, looks like you need to rebase | 20:41 |
| harlowja | hemna hmmm, durn | 20:41 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:41 |
| harlowja | will do that | 20:42 |
| harlowja | so lets open up for anything else | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:42 |
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| kebray | harlowja I guess I'm assuming what everyone else cares about is the front end and results… not the underlying mechanics unless they have to debug the library because its' broken.. but, that should weigh in to our decision on which under-the-hood implementation to go with. | 20:42 |
| harlowja | well its also the support structure the under-the-hood involves right | 20:43 |
| kebray | I'm also concerned that, if we go traditional workflow pattern route, that we're reinventing spiff. | 20:43 |
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| kebray | Unless we use spiff of course. | 20:43 |
| harlowja | i think we already surpassed what spiff is calable of | 20:43 |
| harlowja | *capable of | 20:43 |
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| hemna | hey, volume create worked this time :) | 20:43 |
| kebray | yeah? you have documentation on that? might be a good think to add to the wiki ;-) | 20:43 |
| hemna | as did delete | 20:44 |
| hemna | :) | 20:44 |
| kebray | go harlowja! rock on! | 20:44 |
| harlowja | source code feature analysis by me looking at it, lol | 20:44 |
| harlowja | thats my docs, haha, but sure i can document | 20:44 |
| jlucci | Yeah, I've been meaning to go research differences between spiff/current implementation | 20:44 |
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| jlucci | If that's something you wanted to do harlowja, that'd be awesome. If not, I volunteer myself to go check it out. :P | 20:45 |
| harlowja | spiff has more of a way to read in workflows from backing files | 20:45 |
| harlowja | otherwise i think we are beyond what spiff can do | 20:45 |
| kebray | I'm just imagining the push back we'll get from the community.. would like to proactively document our choices and rational as we go… not because I want to mitigate questions without knowing what questions we will get, but because I care about being able to articulate why we made the choices we've made. | 20:45 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja jlucci spiff document comparison | 20:45 |
| harlowja | kebray 100% agree | 20:45 |
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| harlowja | so i think this proactive documenation goes back into the wiki thing | 20:47 |
| kebray | ok, last open topic from me: just want to ask how ya'll are currently governing the code commits. I'm hoping ya'll get more code contributors soon. I think it's primarily just harlowja, jloucci, and kevinXYX (too long an IRC name) contributing right now.. what does it take to get code into trunk, two +1's? who is core? | 20:47 |
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| kebray | And, is the process working for ya'll? If so, awesome, we can move on. If not, let's discuss. | 20:48 |
| jlucci | Ummm. It's mostly been a "Hey, harlowja, this look good?" type of thing | 20:48 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | the core reviewers is jlucci and me and devananda and hemna i think | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/taskflow,n,z | 20:49 |
| harlowja | if anyone wants to review that'd be cool | 20:49 |
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| harlowja | i think the governing is just pretty normal, review stuff when u get time | 20:49 |
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| harlowja | i started turning on the unit tests in jenkins and such | 20:49 |
| kebray | k.. I'm not hearing requests for change.. so, sounds like the process if working. that's good :-) | 20:49 |
| kebray | is working. | 20:50 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/32289/ | 20:50 |
| harlowja | its a WIP i think | 20:50 |
| harlowja | so we'll have testing being activated soon | 20:50 |
| harlowja | *after i fix that* | 20:50 |
| jlucci | shweet | 20:50 |
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| kebray | excellent. | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | it does bring a good other topic up | 20:51 |
| harlowja | when should we aim for something on pypi? | 20:51 |
| harlowja | likely we'll need that before cinder can offically use it | 20:52 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:52 |
| kebray | would that be a question for J G.? | 20:52 |
| harlowja | and have it appear in openstack-requirements and such | 20:52 |
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| * harlowja not sure what the current process for new dependencies is | 20:52 | |
| jgriffith | harlowja: kebray I wouldn't worry about that just yet personally | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | my strategy so far on stuff like this has been copy/paste | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | get it all sorted then move to pypi | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | I'm doing the same thing with brick | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | and who knows, maybe it'll end up in OSLO :) | 20:53 |
| harlowja | kk, thx jgriffith | 20:53 |
| kebray | yes, thx jgriffith | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | just my 2 cents | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | kebray: haha... by J G you meant releses perhaps, not John G :) | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | sorry | 20:54 |
| kebray | no, I meant jgriffith. | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | Oh... Good :) | 20:54 |
| harlowja | to many JGs ;) | 20:54 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | then I don't feel dumb :) | 20:54 |
| harlowja | kebray did u want to talk about the data/task/information depenedency stuff, or is that still brewing in the brain | 20:55 |
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| kebray | I do, but not enough time left I don't think. | 20:55 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:55 |
| harlowja | durn | 20:55 |
| jlucci | We could move that discussion over to the taskflow irc? | 20:55 |
| harlowja | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Pipes might be something u are interested in :-P | 20:56 |
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| kebray | My encouragement is we target one backend first if the results on the front end are the same… I have good reason for wanting to back distributed-data-dependent execution. | 20:56 |
| kebray | I think jlucci and I can get our thoughts out on wiki (as she has already done)… and, circulate for further disucssion. | 20:56 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:56 |
| harlowja | alright sounds good folks, lots to still do :) | 20:56 |
| kebray | I gotta run to another quick meeting. will circle back around on this topic soon. | 20:57 |
| harlowja | kk and we are almost out of time | 20:57 |
| harlowja | for those that want to talk to us more, #openstack-state-management | 20:57 |
| harlowja | thanks for all helping make this happen :) | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | smiley face stickers for all | 20:58 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:58 |
| jlucci | :p | 20:58 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 13 20:58:19 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-13-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-13-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-06-13-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
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| dripton | no Nova meeting today, in case anyone didn't see Russell's email | 21:03 |
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| hartsocks | thx. | 21:04 |
| senhuang | okay. | 21:04 |
| senhuang | thanks | 21:04 |
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| n0ano | now they tell me :-) | 21:04 |
| n0ano | tnx | 21:04 |
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| evgeny | reed, fitoria: hello we'll show the search on ask-staging.openstack.org | 23:08 |
| evgeny | reed: fitoria - is Adolfo he was working on the feature | 23:09 |
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