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openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 14 17:00:14 2013 UTC. The chair is jaypipes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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jaypipes | morning tempestuous QAers. | 17:00 |
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afazekas | good morning | 17:00 |
ravikumar_hp | hi . | 17:00 |
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mtreinish | morning | 17:00 |
mlavalle | good morning | 17:00 |
mkollaro | morning | 17:00 |
timello | hey | 17:01 |
davidkranz | Hi | 17:01 |
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jaypipes | so, we've been hammering through a number of reviews this morning, which is great | 17:02 |
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jaypipes | pleased to see afazekas' many cleanup patches (mostly) going through. thx Attila! | 17:02 |
afazekas | :) | 17:02 |
jaypipes | An announcement: mtreinish and cyeoh are now members of QA core. Congrats and thank you to them both. | 17:02 |
davidkranz | Indeed. | 17:03 |
ravikumar_hp | congrats to them . They deserve it | 17:03 |
afazekas | Congrats | 17:03 |
mtreinish | thanks | 17:03 |
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davidkranz | jaypipes: I held off on the review days thing because of expecting new members. | 17:03 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: no probs. | 17:03 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: I'm not on the fence about whether we really need it. | 17:03 |
sdague | <- here | 17:04 |
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davidkranz | ^^^ now | 17:04 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: think you can hammer it out today or tomorrow? | 17:04 |
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jaypipes | davidkranz: the rotation wiki page, that is. | 17:04 |
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davidkranz | jaypipes: Yes. | 17:04 |
sdague | honestly, I think that if people just set asside a little time every day, it fixes itself | 17:04 |
jaypipes | sdague: easier said than done, IME | 17:05 |
sdague | we've got a policy on our team that every member should spend an hour a day on reviews | 17:05 |
davidkranz | sdague: That is where I was as of this morning. | 17:05 |
sdague | jaypipes: fair, I guess I'm just used to nova patch queue size :) | 17:05 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: How about we give it a try. If we are not meeting the 24-48 hour turnaround we can take measures. | 17:05 |
jaypipes | sdague: as much as I appreciate your team's commitment to reviews and tempest, I cannot commit to the same. | 17:05 |
jaypipes | sdague: I think a rotation puts some structure and expectations into the mix that are useful. | 17:06 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: sorry, give what a try? hour a day, or rotation? | 17:06 |
sdague | jaypipes: fair, though hopefully with some more +2s in the mix it will help | 17:06 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: Non-rotation. | 17:06 |
jaypipes | sdague: absolutely. | 17:06 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: we can try it, but without assignment, I fear that it will be too easy to let others do the reviewing... | 17:07 |
davidkranz | I could go either way. | 17:07 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: but I'm fine if that's what the group wants | 17:07 |
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davidkranz | jaypipes: I suggest we see how it goes for the next week and then consider it again. | 17:08 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: why don't we try the "hour a day" approach for the next two weeks and discuss if we need to do a rotation after that if it's not working? | 17:08 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: doh, jinx. | 17:08 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: I think 2 weeks, with a published email today to the -dev and -qa lists saying expectation (or wish) is for an hour a day on reviews, and expectation of no more than 48 hours until an initial review. | 17:09 |
sdague | we have a general policy though to make sure nothing gets all the way through with only IBM eyes on things, so you may see code we originate be sitting with +2s looking for someone else to give it the +A. I find it's more healthy when you make sure a broader set of eyes see things. | 17:09 |
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sdague | jaypipes: I think that's fair | 17:09 |
jaypipes | ok | 17:09 |
davidkranz | If we all do "hour a day" I predict the actual need will be less. But we'll see. | 17:09 |
sdague | yeh, in reality it will be less | 17:09 |
jaypipes | #action davidkranz to send ML email about above expectations/wishes | 17:09 |
andreaf | hi I'm here too | 17:09 |
jaypipes | andreaf: mornin. | 17:10 |
sdague | the hour a day is across all projects for us, just a general guideline to make sure people don't forget about reviewing | 17:10 |
davidkranz | sdague: Ah. OK. | 17:10 |
jaypipes | so, on a related note to the rotation... | 17:10 |
jaypipes | we had discussed at a previous meeting that we need more subject matter experts on areas other than nova and glance. | 17:11 |
jaypipes | Has anyone made any progress here? Espcially with Quantum? | 17:11 |
mlavalle | jaypipes: I am implementing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-basic-api | 17:11 |
mlavalle | it includes 5 use cases | 17:11 |
jaypipes | We have a number of reviews for quantum stuff, including Gavin's quotas stuff that are kind of hanging around | 17:11 |
mlavalle | making very good progress | 17:11 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: Dan W also told me we could pull Nachi in for reviews. | 17:12 |
sdague | mlavalle: I think the real thing we are looking for is reviewers on quantum patches from the quantum community | 17:12 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: ok, good. I'd love more reviews from you and other Quantum SMEs please! :) | 17:12 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: I had asked him for names. | 17:12 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: k | 17:12 |
sdague | dtroyer_zz and I basically do the same thing on devstack | 17:12 |
mlavalle | I will be pushing code for 3 use cases early nexte week | 17:12 |
sdague | make sure that a quantum person +1s things on a quantum patch for function before we touch it | 17:12 |
mlavalle | and code for the other 2 use cases a few days after taht | 17:12 |
davidkranz | I don't think you have to be Core in Quantum to do a tempest review as a subject "expert" | 17:12 |
sdague | davidkranz: agreed | 17:13 |
sdague | any developer that contributes to quantum is welcomed | 17:13 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: regarding Quantum, I haven't seen the full tempest suite run successfully with a quantum environment yet. Perhaps it is a good idea to hold off on new test cases/features/use cases until we get a green successful run? | 17:13 |
sdague | yeh, that would be worth while | 17:13 |
davidkranz | I was glad to see some keystone v3 tests going in. | 17:14 |
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davidkranz | We should also consider ceilometer. | 17:14 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: I'm referring to this job, FYI: https://jenkins.openstack.org/view/Tempest/job/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full/ | 17:14 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: currently, it's not a gate, but I would really, really like it to be! | 17:14 |
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mlavalle | jaypipes: ok, I will take a look at it | 17:15 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: first step would be to fix failures that occur, then add new use cases and API call tests, IMHO | 17:15 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: +1 | 17:15 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: awesome, I really appreciate it! | 17:15 |
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mlavalle | jaypipes: and reach out to you with suggestions | 17:15 |
sdague | davidkranz: agreed, we should probably try to drum that up at summit. Make sure that core projects (which ceilo will be in havana most likely) ensure they have folks looking at tempest reviews as well | 17:15 |
sdague | mlavalle: awesome, thanks | 17:15 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: you may work with sdague and dtroyer_zz on devstack-related issues with that Jenkins job. May not all be related to Tempest itself or Quantum... just FYI | 17:15 |
jaypipes | sdague: ++ | 17:15 |
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mlavalle | jaypipes; ok, I will reach out to them | 17:16 |
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sdague | yeh, it might be more complicated, but feel free to ping me in #openstack-qa, I try to answer reasonably quickly | 17:16 |
mlavalle | jaypipes: but I will keep developing the BP. I don't want to loose momentum | 17:16 |
jaypipes | mlavalle: understood. and totally fine. :) | 17:16 |
sdague | are we done with the SME discussion? I wanted to also kick around tempest scope as a discussion topic | 17:16 |
jaypipes | sdague: yes, I think so, unless anyone has anything more to say about that? | 17:17 |
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jaypipes | sdague: go for it. | 17:17 |
jaypipes | #topic tempest scope | 17:17 |
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sdague | ok, so we've got 2 patches in the queue to open up new top level directories for tempest tests | 17:17 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21930/ | 17:18 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20901/ | 17:18 |
sdague | which I think are good | 17:18 |
sdague | or the general ideas are good | 17:18 |
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sdague | but I wanted to make sure the rest of qa-core is good with tempest increasing scope | 17:18 |
jaypipes | sdague: yeah, not a huge fan, frankly... at least of 21930 | 17:18 |
sdague | the idea is these would be seperately runnable top level test groups, like stress is | 17:18 |
sdague | jaypipes: well, jog0 was starting with something rought | 17:19 |
jaypipes | sdague: 21930 isn't tests at all.. | 17:19 |
jaypipes | sdague: tests assert things. | 17:19 |
sdague | jaypipes: correct, atm | 17:19 |
afazekas | I think in tempest we should use python primary for testing | 17:19 |
jaypipes | sdague: those don't do anything at al... | 17:19 |
sdague | all those things I agree with, I put them in the review | 17:19 |
sdague | jaypipes: turns out, if you ran those commands, the script would fail | 17:19 |
sdague | because nova client throws exceptions random places | 17:20 |
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sdague | which is the thing that needs testing | 17:20 |
sdague | not in the way jog0 proposed | 17:20 |
sdague | but the idea of having a test suite for the clients seems like a good idea | 17:20 |
jaypipes | sdague: s/clients/CLI incantation of the clients/ | 17:20 |
sdague | where the clients get execed, and we make sure they do the right thing, and don't stack trace | 17:20 |
davidkranz | afazekas: I think I agree. I sent a message to the list last night regarding the Python novaclient issue. | 17:21 |
jaypipes | sdague: we already have tests that use novaclient library. | 17:21 |
afazekas | I woild like to have test soute for all command , including the *-manage | 17:21 |
afazekas | and it should be able to reuse existing ssh connection | 17:21 |
sdague | jaypipes: yes, this is cli testing | 17:21 |
sdague | sorry, meant to be explicit there | 17:21 |
donaldngo_hp | are the clients not being tested anywhere else? | 17:21 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: Isn't there a difference between having tests that use novaclient and "testing novaclient"? | 17:21 |
jaypipes | sdague: ya... I don't have a problem with that, per-se, I just would like it to be: a) pythonic and b) tests -- i.e. assertions | 17:22 |
davidkranz | jaypipes: Coverage, e.g. | 17:22 |
sdague | jaypipes: I agree | 17:22 |
sdague | my review comments said that :) | 17:22 |
jaypipes | davidkranz: yes, of course, no disagreement. | 17:22 |
afazekas | donaldngo_hp: devstack exercises does some testing via bash | 17:22 |
jaypipes | afazekas: right | 17:22 |
jaypipes | afazekas: "testing" | 17:22 |
jaypipes | afazekas: without asserting anything. | 17:22 |
sdague | right, but that's sort of accidental testing in devstack | 17:22 |
davidkranz | I think the question is whether we want tempest to really test the client. | 17:22 |
sdague | because it's basically just sanity checking that devstack isn't totally screwed up | 17:23 |
davidkranz | And, if so, is it the cli or Python API, or both? | 17:23 |
sdague | davidkranz: so right now this is trying to go after a specific class of fails that have been found by manual testing | 17:23 |
afazekas | IMHO cli would cover the client library | 17:23 |
sdague | which is the cli exploding horribly | 17:23 |
mtreinish | davidkranz: I'd say both would be useful. I think there are things not covered by the cli in the lib. | 17:23 |
sdague | and given that is a surface lots of people first experience openstack with, not exploding horribly is a nice goal | 17:24 |
davidkranz | sdague: So the is really a regression test. | 17:24 |
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sdague | davidkranz: sure... | 17:24 |
davidkranz | sdague: That is fine but different than being step one towards a complete test. | 17:24 |
jaypipes | I don't disagree that both CLI and client lib tests are useful. | 17:24 |
davidkranz | sdague: That may have not been clear. | 17:25 |
ravikumar_hp | Those CLI and client lib tests may not be gated tests | 17:25 |
sdague | ok, so can we get general agreement that: 1) if they are in python 2) if they are in a seperate directory 3) if they are actually tests, it should be ok to let them in? | 17:25 |
davidkranz | I'm not sure what the real value of having client tests in tempest is though. Shouldn't there be unit tests in those projects? | 17:26 |
sdague | ravikumar_hp: right now it's not going to be gate | 17:26 |
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sdague | davidkranz: a bunch of the commands can't be exercised unless there is a working openstack | 17:26 |
donaldngo_hp | davidkranz: yes I'm suprised that the CLI project repos dont have tests themselves | 17:26 |
sdague | donaldngo_hp: they do have unit tests | 17:26 |
afazekas | We could make tempest as multi backend tool (xml,json,library,ec2, cli), (witch configurable backend), but is too big work for now. Now we could have the best benefit/cost ratio if we focusing to the cli tests in addition | 17:27 |
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sdague | afazekas: yeh, that's my thinking. I also didn't want to send these off to a new tree, because we're only just getting critical mass on reviewers on tempest, and I fear less eyes on another test effort | 17:28 |
donaldngo_hp | wouldn't it be a good idea to tie the CLI functional symantic tests to the CLI repos themselves? | 17:28 |
sdague | grenade being a good example, which is a neat idea, but stalled out in another tree | 17:28 |
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sdague | donaldngo_hp: maybe, the infrastructure to set them up with credentials and such would then need to be duplicated out of tempest to all the clis | 17:29 |
jaypipes | sdague: and devstack.. | 17:29 |
sdague | jaypipes: yep, and devstack | 17:29 |
sdague | it moves tempest umbrella from "testing openstack API" to "testing live openstack in various useful ways" | 17:30 |
sdague | but I'm ok with that | 17:30 |
sdague | as long as it's easy to just execute the parts of that you want | 17:30 |
afazekas | +1 | 17:30 |
davidkranz | sdague: I think that was always part of the goal. To eventually be an acceptance test. | 17:30 |
sdague | davidkranz: ok, cool, then this would seem in scope | 17:30 |
andreaf | +1 in extending the scope / acceptance test | 17:31 |
sdague | jaypipes: you on board? | 17:31 |
jaypipes | sdague: yeah, I'm fine with an expanded scope in this way, just would like to see everything runnable in a consistent manner | 17:31 |
sdague | jaypipes: +1 | 17:32 |
cjd_ | sorry for the quick detour. what time did/does the qa meeting start? | 17:32 |
sdague | I'll make sure to work with jog0 to get it there | 17:32 |
sdague | cjd_: 32 minutes ago | 17:32 |
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cjd_ | ok. thanks :~\ | 17:32 |
davidkranz | cjd_: 17:00 UTC | 17:32 |
sdague | ok, I think that topic is done, unless someone else has something on it | 17:32 |
cjd_ | got it. as you were :) | 17:33 |
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donaldngo_hp | will the CLI test the latest version of the CLI? | 17:33 |
sdague | donaldngo_hp: I think that's the intent | 17:33 |
sdague | tempest follows trunck | 17:34 |
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sdague | follows trunk | 17:34 |
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sdague | ok, next topic? | 17:34 |
davidkranz | Parallel testing? | 17:35 |
afazekas | SKIPED tests ? | 17:35 |
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sdague | davidkranz: on parallel testing | 17:35 |
andreaf | +1 Parallel testing | 17:35 |
sdague | cyeoh is working to get a non-voting job that will enable testr for that | 17:35 |
sdague | so we can debug the final issues in qa | 17:35 |
sdague | in CI | 17:35 |
sdague | I was talking with him about it yesterday, have to figure out if the review went in yet | 17:36 |
sdague | we'd then run testr version of tempest full on tempest project checkins for a while in non-voting to figure out what else needs fixing | 17:36 |
sdague | there are still some fails because of state leaks between tests | 17:36 |
jaypipes | sorry y'all, need to hop on an emergency call... sdague, please close out the meeting when finished. thnks! | 17:36 |
sdague | jaypipes: will do | 17:36 |
sdague | so that's comming along | 17:37 |
andreaf | sdague: a good outcome of this exercise would be a set of guidelines on handling resources | 17:37 |
sdague | I was hoping we'd be fully lit by g-3, but looks like it might come on later | 17:37 |
sdague | andreaf: yeh, I think based on what needs fixing we'll get that | 17:37 |
sdague | plus afazekas's work on the resource allocator | 17:37 |
sdague | which will massively simplify things | 17:38 |
andreaf | sdague: I agree | 17:38 |
sdague | I think that's that on that front | 17:38 |
sdague | afazekas: you want to take on SKIPPED tests? | 17:38 |
afazekas | sdague: jaypipes is not here so we will not answers anyway.. | 17:39 |
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sdague | afazekas: ok | 17:39 |
sdague | fwiw, I reenabled resize tests in devstack / tempest | 17:39 |
sdague | turns out we disabled them by default | 17:40 |
sdague | and resize got broken in nova because of it | 17:40 |
sdague | so those are back in the mix now | 17:40 |
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sdague | it was I think 4 nova fixes to get it working again | 17:40 |
mtreinish | afazekas: was this about the resource thing and generic_setup for the flags? | 17:42 |
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afazekas | maybe | 17:43 |
sdague | ok, so other topics? | 17:43 |
sdague | we seem to be winding down | 17:43 |
davidkranz | Counting... | 17:43 |
andreaf | one question still about parallel execution | 17:44 |
sdague | andreaf: go for it | 17:44 |
andreaf | is there any guideline yet about where is the best place to deal with common resources? | 17:44 |
afazekas | Does anyone interested in systemtap scripts, for performance analysis (adding to tempest repo)? | 17:44 |
andreaf | with the current setup | 17:44 |
davidkranz | andreaf: common to what? | 17:44 |
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sdague | afazekas: that might be a cool option | 17:45 |
sdague | afazekas: will that work on the ubuntu kernel that's in CI? | 17:45 |
andreaf | common to all tests within a class | 17:45 |
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sdague | andreaf: so I think we're going to need to hash some of that out with lifeless at summit | 17:45 |
afazekas | sdague: probably, depends on the code | 17:45 |
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sdague | once we have working tempest testr we can more easily look at where we'd get better optimizations out of testr if it behaved differently | 17:46 |
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davidkranz | andreaf: That depends on whether the tests in the class are supposed to run in parallel or not. | 17:46 |
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davidkranz | andreaf: If the tests are run in parallel they can't share class resources except in a "read only" way. | 17:47 |
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afazekas | davidkranz: why not ? | 17:48 |
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davidkranz | afazekas: HOw can two parallel tests both poke the state of something independently? | 17:48 |
sdague | I think it will become more clear with the implementation | 17:48 |
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sdague | so I would wait for that review and runner to be out there, then we can poke on it | 17:49 |
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andreaf | sdague: ok I'll wait for the non gating parallel run and then dig into it | 17:49 |
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afazekas | davidkranz: They can aquire a resource from resource pool, but they cant work on the same resource at the same time | 17:49 |
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davidkranz | afazekas: Of course resource pools are fine. | 17:50 |
afazekas | ok | 17:50 |
davidkranz | afazekas: Thought I am not sure how the locking works. | 17:50 |
davidkranz | afazekas: In Tempest, that is. | 17:50 |
sdague | ok, so any last topics? | 17:51 |
davidkranz | We don't need to pursued that right now. | 17:51 |
sdague | hot reviews that need more eyes? | 17:51 |
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Nithya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18631/ | 17:52 |
Nithya | This change is abandoned. | 17:53 |
Nithya | I would like to own and submit a patch | 17:53 |
Nithya | is that possible? | 17:53 |
afazekas | davidkranz: most people just hope the gloabal interpreter lock save them from conflicts :), now we do not have anything for mulithread resource sharing, but it can change in the future | 17:54 |
sdague | Nithya: yes, you can: review -d 18631 and build your own version from it and submit | 17:54 |
Nithya | sdague: Thank you | 17:54 |
sdague | davidkranz / afazekas: testr is process not thread based, so that won't be a concern | 17:54 |
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sdague | ok, any last topics? | 17:57 |
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mlavalle | Have a nice day, y'all | 17:57 |
sdague | ok, let's call it a day | 17:57 |
sdague | thanks everyone | 17:57 |
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andreaf | thanks have a nice day / evening | 17:57 |
sdague | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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sdague | jaypipes: can you run #endmeeting | 17:58 |
sdague | I don't think I can do it because I'm not #chair | 17:58 |
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bdpayne | OSSG meeting starting shortly… waiting for previous meeting chair to end that meeting | 18:00 |
bdpayne | jaypipes … you around to end the meeting? | 18:02 |
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bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 14 18:04:00 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:04 |
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bdpayne | good morning / evening everyone | 18:04 |
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bdpayne | I'd like to get started today with an update on the storage encryption work | 18:04 |
bdpayne | #topic Storage Encryption | 18:04 |
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bdpayne | Anyone from Intel or JHU APL around to give an update? | 18:05 |
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lglenden | yes, I'm here from APL | 18:05 |
rellerreller | The volume encryption blue print was rejected for Grizzly release | 18:05 |
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bdpayne | ok, I saw some chatter about that… didn't know it was formal | 18:06 |
rellerreller | The change was a bit too big at the last minute to make Grizzly | 18:06 |
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bdpayne | yeah, I know that is frustrating… but it does make some sense | 18:06 |
bdpayne | so, let's plan for how to get it into H? | 18:06 |
rellerreller | It's understandable | 18:06 |
rellerreller | But there is interest, and we are hopeful to make Havana | 18:06 |
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lglenden | we were encouraged to lead a design summit session specifically for the blueprint, so that is what we are planning | 18:07 |
bdpayne | I think that's a good idea | 18:07 |
bdpayne | are you guys moving forward with setting that up? | 18:07 |
lglenden | there will also likely be a second design session specifically for key management issues | 18:07 |
mtesauro | Please share that here if/when its setup. I will attend. | 18:07 |
bdpayne | ditto | 18:07 |
rellerreller | The dev mailing list has some chatter about how to handle cloning and snapshotting if anyone is interested in that | 18:07 |
bdpayne | ok, sounds good | 18:08 |
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bdpayne | I think that this will give us a little more time to "get it right" | 18:08 |
bdpayne | if you guys need help with coding stuff post-summit, then please make an ask here with OSSG | 18:09 |
bdpayne | I suspect that there are people around that can help with pieces, if desired | 18:09 |
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bdpayne | ok, so I guess we can move on to some of the documentation efforts | 18:10 |
bdpayne | #topic Hardening Guide and OSN | 18:10 |
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bdpayne | the LXC OSN has been a slow process ;-) | 18:11 |
bdpayne | Rob and I have been working to coordinate the release of the document and make it smoother in the future | 18:11 |
bdpayne | I think that we're about there and this will roll more smoothly next time | 18:11 |
mtesauro | LXC OSN == what? | 18:11 |
bdpayne | the security note on using LXC | 18:12 |
bdpayne | sorry, too man acronyms | 18:12 |
bdpayne | s/man/many/ | 18:12 |
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mtesauro | Roger. I've got it now. | 18:12 |
bdpayne | ok | 18:12 |
bdpayne | so… looking forward, I encourage everyone here to bring forward ideas for future security notes | 18:12 |
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bdpayne | basically, if there's some brief security guidance that we can provide to help people do things better from a security viewpoint, then it would be nice to share | 18:13 |
bdpayne | anything come to mind right now? | 18:13 |
noslzzp | i will have some additions shortly.. | 18:13 |
bdpayne | great, thanks | 18:14 |
bdpayne | #action We can all think of ideas for more security notes | 18:14 |
bdpayne | Now, turning to the hardening guide | 18:14 |
bdpayne | Not much work has happened on that, unfortunately | 18:14 |
bdpayne | I am happy to put in some cycles, but would like to get more of the community involved as well | 18:15 |
bdpayne | Is there anyone that would like to help with that effort? | 18:15 |
bdpayne | Or any suggestions for pushing that forward? | 18:15 |
rellerreller | APL can provide suggestions. We were swamped trying to get into Grizzly. | 18:16 |
noslzzp | unfortunately, I don't know Tex so getting setup with that has been a blocker. | 18:16 |
rellerreller | We can have comments by next week | 18:16 |
bdpayne | rellerreller thanks | 18:16 |
bdpayne | Re Tex… please don't let that block you | 18:16 |
bdpayne | you can submit stuff in plain text and I'll happily drop it into tex files | 18:17 |
bdpayne | the delta is very small anyway | 18:17 |
noslzzp | roger. | 18:17 |
bdpayne | and the outline is actually in a plain text file too | 18:17 |
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bdpayne | and, I'm happy to teach people LaTeX ;-) | 18:17 |
noslzzp | ;) | 18:17 |
bdpayne | but, seriously… I can drop in plain text contributions very easily | 18:17 |
noslzzp | gotcha.. i'll move forward with plain text for now.. | 18:18 |
bdpayne | well… as always, please touch base with me if you'd like to help… I'd love to see some more momentum there | 18:18 |
lglenden | are you looking mainly for comments on the outline that is in place, or contributions for fleshed out sections (or both?) | 18:18 |
bdpayne | #action Ramp up work on hardening guide | 18:18 |
bdpayne | both would be great | 18:18 |
lglenden | okay | 18:19 |
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bdpayne | I don't expect the outline to change too much as I haven't gotten much feedback on it | 18:19 |
bdpayne | so writing text is low risk | 18:19 |
bdpayne | also, if anyone like drawing technical diagrams… I'd love to hear from you :-) | 18:20 |
bdpayne | ok… moving onward | 18:20 |
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bdpayne | #topic OSSG and Core Projects | 18:20 |
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bdpayne | At the summit last fall, I expressive my desire to get OSSG tightly integrated into the core projects | 18:21 |
bdpayne | the idea is to have people on OSSG working on the core projects | 18:21 |
bdpayne | and that those people could bring security concerns back to the group for deeper analysis, design, and improvement | 18:21 |
bdpayne | I would love to start seeing this happen | 18:22 |
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bdpayne | I think that the first step is to identify who we have in OSSG that is already tracking core projects | 18:22 |
bdpayne | Does anyone fit that bill? | 18:22 |
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bdpayne | Ok… the next question, who would *like* to get integrated into a core project? | 18:23 |
bdpayne | hrm | 18:23 |
noslzzp | I'm too new. :) | 18:24 |
bdpayne | Ok, I may need to approach this a little differently | 18:24 |
bdpayne | I think that the plan will be to identify people already on the core projects that could be good and invite them to work with OSSG | 18:24 |
bdpayne | #action Work with PTLs to get tighter integration between OSSG and core projects | 18:25 |
bdpayne | #topic Discussion | 18:25 |
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bdpayne | It's been quiet today… anything else on people's minds? | 18:25 |
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bdpayne | #action All meeting attendees to drink coffee before next meeting :-) | 18:26 |
lglenden | are there any particular plans for OSSG at the next summit? | 18:27 |
bdpayne | a few | 18:27 |
bdpayne | Rob and I are planning to submit a talk to give an update on OSSG work | 18:27 |
bdpayne | I've been debating setting up a design session to get discussion going around integrating OSSG and security thinking into the core projects (still need to flush that out) | 18:28 |
bdpayne | And I'd love to get the group together informally at some point just so we can meet f2f… perhaps over a meal | 18:28 |
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bdpayne | I'm, of course, open to other ideas too! | 18:28 |
lglenden | those all sound good to me | 18:29 |
mtesauro | Absolutely. f2f is a great way to get some serious momentum | 18:29 |
rellerreller | I concur | 18:29 |
bdpayne | great, looking forward to it | 18:29 |
bdpayne | thanks everyone… til next time... | 18:29 |
bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 14 18:30:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-02-14-18.04.html | 18:30 |
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mtesauro | Later. | 18:30 |
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lifeless | sdague: please submit a tech session on it | 19:15 |
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dansmith | vishy: russellb ? | 21:01 |
russellb | hi | 21:01 |
russellb | happy thursday | 21:01 |
* russellb has missed the last couple of these ... | 21:01 | |
hemna | hey | 21:01 |
sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
kmartin | hello | 21:02 |
xyang | hi | 21:02 |
krtaylor | o/ | 21:02 |
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russellb | vishy: around? | 21:02 |
russellb | let's wait a couple minutes for vishy ... | 21:02 |
vishy | yup | 21:02 |
russellb | yay | 21:02 |
russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 14 21:02:42 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
russellb | #chair vishy | 21:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:02 |
russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
russellb | couple of topics, let's hit grizzly-3 really quick though | 21:03 |
russellb | #topic grizzly-3 | 21:03 |
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russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:03 |
russellb | We removed a number of blueprints this week for stuff that came in too late, didn't have code yet, etc | 21:04 |
kmartin | reviews on the FC nova changes needed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19992/ | 21:04 |
russellb | i suppose we need to be trying to prioritize our reviews for the next couple weeks on these features ready for review | 21:04 |
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russellb | kmartin: yep, it's on the big list of "needs code review" blueprints | 21:05 |
sdague | so when are we properly in feature freeze? | 21:05 |
vishy | 21st | 21:05 |
russellb | i thought it was 2 weeks, eep | 21:05 |
xyang | I hope the FC nova changes get merged as soon as possible as we are also working on a FC Cinder driver that depends on it | 21:05 |
vishy | well realistically the 19th | 21:05 |
russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 21:05 |
russellb | even less time than i thought | 21:05 |
kmartin | so what is the process if the review is not completed by the 21st, is the feature pushed out to Havana? | 21:05 |
russellb | definitely lots of review work to do | 21:06 |
kmartin | yeah | 21:06 |
russellb | kmartin: we can consider feature freeze exceptions, but honestly we had too many of those last year and we need to be strict about it IMO | 21:06 |
sdague | right, ok, so if 19th is the freeze, we probably need to start figuring out what blueprints we really want for grizzly, and move the rest out | 21:06 |
russellb | s/last year/last release/ | 21:06 |
sdague | #link http://status.openstack.org/release/ | 21:07 |
sdague | that's actually a really nice view | 21:07 |
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sdague | even if it shows all the projects | 21:07 |
russellb | sdague: start from the top and see how much we can review? heh | 21:07 |
sdague | yeh, basically :) | 21:07 |
russellb | anything else on g3 before we jump into these specific topics? | 21:08 |
russellb | #topic network adapter hotplug bp | 21:08 |
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sdague | well, vishy, any guidance on the bps you want to make sure land? | 21:08 |
russellb | dansmith: this you? | 21:08 |
dansmith | russellb: yeah | 21:08 |
dansmith | doude: round? | 21:08 |
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doude | yes | 21:09 |
dansmith | well, basically, it was abandoned by the original author in august, | 21:09 |
dansmith | doude made a single push against it this month, and has some more changes since then | 21:09 |
dansmith | vishy asked me to pick it up and try to make it work | 21:09 |
dansmith | we've made some progress, and I significantly refactored how the detach case works | 21:09 |
doude | yes and I asked yaguang if can rebase it | 21:09 |
dansmith | doude: the question I guess is who is going to drive this? if you're going to do it, then I'll back off | 21:10 |
dansmith | otherwise I can integrate your changes and keep running with it | 21:10 |
dansmith | just don't want to be duplicating effort | 21:10 |
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russellb | doude: thoughts? | 21:11 |
doude | dansmith: Okay. As you want. It depends if you need help and if you have enough time | 21:12 |
dansmith | doude: I'm happy to go do it, and I think it's pretty close.. I've got it updated for the recent libvirt changes (vif models) as well | 21:12 |
dansmith | so I think I can do it, I just don't want to take it away from you if you really want to do it | 21:13 |
doude | I followed your progress | 21:13 |
dansmith | if you're okay with it, I'll pull what I can from your latest changes that you pushed yesterday and integrate them | 21:13 |
doude | dansmith: Okay, no problem | 21:13 |
dansmith | okay | 21:13 |
russellb | doude: if dansmith takes it, your review would be appreciated of course, and to help point out anything he may miss | 21:13 |
doude | I made some progress on the sample API tests | 21:13 |
dansmith | doude: yes, that's what I'm going to take for sure :) | 21:14 |
doude | I can merge them to your branch | 21:14 |
dansmith | russellb: me? miss something? | 21:14 |
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dansmith | doude: let me do it, if that's okay, since we changed the extension name slightly and I have other changes yet to be merged | 21:14 |
russellb | dansmith: as incredibly unlikely as it may be :) | 21:14 |
doude | Okay, that what I made | 21:15 |
dansmith | russellb: heh | 21:15 |
dansmith | okay, so I think we're good then | 21:15 |
russellb | great | 21:15 |
russellb | #topic nova-conductor | 21:15 |
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russellb | so this discussion started just a while ago in -nova | 21:15 |
dansmith | heh, I guess this meeting is "messes dansmith made" | 21:15 |
russellb | dansmith: ha, i think i share any blame on this one | 21:16 |
dansmith | good :) | 21:16 |
dansmith | comstud: around? | 21:16 |
comstud | yeah, notfeeling so hot, but here | 21:16 |
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dansmith | comstud: so, are you feeling like we need to default to local conductor based on the db stuff you're hitting? | 21:16 |
dansmith | it seems to me like you're making gains that outweigh the hits taken by going to conductor in the first place, | 21:16 |
dansmith | so I'm not sure that it's necessary to disable "real" conductor for grizzly | 21:17 |
comstud | i'm not sure... it'll be fine for small deployments | 21:17 |
comstud | i mean, conductor wil | 21:17 |
comstud | l | 21:17 |
dansmith | but obviously we should if it'll be a problem | 21:17 |
comstud | but for larger installs, there'll be issues | 21:17 |
dansmith | comstud: even with your db changes and plenty of conductor instances? | 21:17 |
devananda | comstud: small is relative. any idea what order of magnitute of compute-per-conductor it takes to have problems? | 21:17 |
comstud | well | 21:18 |
russellb | like, as many conductor instances as api instances perhaps ... just thinking about how it might be deployed | 21:18 |
comstud | mysqldb implementations for some things are taking a bit longer than expected | 21:18 |
comstud | and i'm not sure how well-received the code will be... | 21:18 |
comstud | but | 21:18 |
vishy | comstud: i like jog0's idea of a separate backend that can fallback to the sqlalchemy for unimplemented functions | 21:19 |
comstud | I cannot get thread pooling to work with sqlalchemy due to bugs in eventlet. | 21:19 |
vishy | then it can just be experimental | 21:19 |
comstud | I can get it to work with mysqldb... but I have to patch our logging because it uses a lock that's brokenw ith eventlet tpool | 21:19 |
comstud | vishy: Yeah, that's what we're working on | 21:20 |
vishy | assuming we can figure out a way to not double up every connection | 21:20 |
comstud | we have instance_get and bw_usage_update instance_destroy all working | 21:20 |
comstud | from the limited testing I've done | 21:20 |
comstud | instance_update is almost done.. | 21:20 |
sdague | comstud: any idea what this does to our test matrix? | 21:20 |
comstud | i'm going to start throwing up some reviews for the framework | 21:20 |
sdague | is that just changing the api calls for those in main, or does it have the old version as well? | 21:20 |
comstud | not sure I understand | 21:21 |
russellb | so it sounds like this is separate from conductor ... right? | 21:21 |
russellb | just to be clear. | 21:21 |
comstud | it's an alternate IMPL in db/api | 21:21 |
comstud | nova/db/mysqldb/* | 21:21 |
sdague | comstud: right, that's my concern | 21:21 |
ewindisch | comstud: fyi - let me know if you need help with eventlet fixes. | 21:21 |
dansmith | that's what I'm trying to figure out.. is it really only a problem with conductor, or just only noticeable? | 21:21 |
russellb | the db being slow, and usage of nova-conductor and separate, sort of related issues. | 21:21 |
comstud | the mysqldb code itself falls back to sqlalchemy | 21:21 |
sdague | because it means that we need to light another tempest full gate if we have another db path | 21:21 |
comstud | ewindisch: sure | 21:22 |
comstud | sdague: Yeah, I know.. it really should be tested w/ tempest, etc | 21:22 |
devananda | dansmith: it's a problem with sqlalchemy+eventlet, iiuc, which conductor makes much more painful | 21:22 |
comstud | I'll try to get a review up for the framework by tomorrow | 21:22 |
comstud | although | 21:22 |
sdague | comstud: so is this not fixable in db/sqlalchemy if you change the apis to not use the models, but use sqlalchemy low level instead? | 21:23 |
comstud | https://github.com/comstud/nova/tree/bp/db-mysqldb-impl | 21:23 |
comstud | if you ignore all of the ugly commits in that :) | 21:23 |
comstud | #link https://github.com/comstud/nova/tree/bp/db-mysqldb-impl | 21:23 |
ewindisch | comstud: remember you need to base that off oslo-incubator now. | 21:24 |
comstud | yup i know | 21:24 |
comstud | there's only a few changes to openstack/common in there | 21:24 |
sdague | comstud: that stuff totally scares me from an sql injection direction as well | 21:24 |
comstud | mostly to patch the logging. | 21:24 |
comstud | sdague: which part? | 21:24 |
comstud | Oh | 21:24 |
sdague | the way the query building is happening | 21:24 |
sdague | using python string formating to build queries | 21:25 |
comstud | Yeah, that's how mysqldb works | 21:25 |
belliott | sdague: the args are not getting placed into the sql directly | 21:25 |
comstud | it wraps '' around strings though | 21:25 |
belliott | sdague: should be ok injection wise unless we missed something | 21:25 |
comstud | It's probably not clear from initial examination | 21:26 |
sdague | can you not do some parameterized queries? | 21:26 |
vishy | so i guess the overarching issue is this isn't going to be done for grizzly | 21:26 |
comstud | but queries to mysqldb end up being execute("%(fooo)s ", kwargs) | 21:26 |
comstud | and mysqldb turns the kwarg values into strings, etc for you | 21:27 |
vishy | so do we need to do anything for grizzly | 21:27 |
comstud | '... .' | 21:27 |
comstud | It certainly won't be 'done' | 21:27 |
vishy | sounds like we should do some load testing and see what the limits of conductor are | 21:27 |
comstud | I think we can have a few working queries in mysqldb... the most important ones | 21:27 |
dansmith | comstud: is there any chance that we could get some pre-production testing on real conductor | 21:27 |
vishy | and decide whether to change the default. | 21:27 |
comstud | vishy: +1 | 21:27 |
dansmith | to prove it's too much of a problem to be on by default? | 21:27 |
ewindisch | sdague: I think mysql-python does parameterized queries that *look* like python string formatting | 21:27 |
comstud | dansmith: Not by me | 21:27 |
comstud | ewindisch: Correct | 21:28 |
devananda | ++ to load testing and setting a good default for conductor | 21:28 |
comstud | dansmith: I definitely don't have the resources to load test nova-conductor myself | 21:28 |
sdague | ewindisch: ok, I'd have to educate myself on that one, new ground, just bringing my old sql safety hat on | 21:28 |
ewindisch | sdague: appreciate the caution, I share it :) | 21:28 |
dansmith | comstud: neither do I :( | 21:28 |
sdague | comstud: do we know conductor is a problem in practice, or just in theory? | 21:29 |
comstud | dansmith: We have some really ugly scripts that load test stand-alone, though, which kind of mimics the behavior | 21:29 |
comstud | sdague: so, global nova-cells acts like nova-conductor | 21:29 |
comstud | in that it takes a shitload of stuff off a queue and does DB queries | 21:29 |
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comstud | And it has a huge problem in practive given enough load. | 21:30 |
comstud | it all depends on how large your deployment is | 21:30 |
dansmith | so, | 21:30 |
dansmith | what's the ratio of that to compute nodes, | 21:30 |
comstud | We have a large enough deployment so far that global nova-cells is having a hard time keeping up | 21:30 |
dansmith | compared to what we might guess the conductor one would be? | 21:30 |
russellb | can you run multiple cells services? | 21:31 |
russellb | or rather, do you? | 21:31 |
comstud | russellb: almost.. i think there's a couple of races I've not solved yet | 21:31 |
russellb | ok | 21:31 |
comstud | the trick is.. | 21:31 |
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comstud | the order of the DB calls | 21:31 |
comstud | this is not really a problem w/ conductor | 21:31 |
comstud | they're all rpc.calls | 21:31 |
comstud | vs casts | 21:32 |
comstud | so you should be able to set up multiple nova-conductors without problem | 21:32 |
comstud | the question is... how many do you need? | 21:32 |
comstud | I suspect nova-conductor might be okay to enable in grizzly | 21:32 |
comstud | And if you run into load problems, you set up more | 21:32 |
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dansmith | and if all fails, go to local mode | 21:32 |
comstud | load problems == the nova-conductor queue backing up | 21:32 |
russellb | that was our hope anyway ... | 21:32 |
dansmith | I just fear we'll never get the data if we don't have it on by default | 21:33 |
comstud | yeah | 21:33 |
dansmith | with some good deployment docs | 21:33 |
comstud | personally, I'm fine with enabling it. | 21:33 |
comstud | if it's broken, there's an easy work around | 21:33 |
dansmith | large installs will tweak a ton anyway | 21:33 |
belliott | agreed, turn it on. we need to know | 21:33 |
comstud | Really this is a separate issue: sqlalchemy just sucks balls performance wise... :) | 21:34 |
russellb | need to write up some guidance on deploying conductor though | 21:34 |
russellb | so people know what to watch out for, and that they may need to run multiple instances of it (like other services) | 21:34 |
comstud | We have a really horrible problem with our DB code, also... We're joining way too much stuff... most of the time the data is not needed. | 21:35 |
russellb | comstud: but sqla sucking balls amplifies the conductor concern, so i see how they're related | 21:35 |
russellb | join all the things! | 21:35 |
comstud | We seem to be join-loading security_groups and security_groups.rules on every instance get! | 21:35 |
comstud | So far I cannot find where we use 'rules' when you start from an instance model. | 21:35 |
comstud | so I think that's a join that can be removed | 21:35 |
comstud | But even when I join all of that in manually formed queries... things are still much faster than using sqlalchemy | 21:36 |
russellb | may have been no-db-messaging inspired ... | 21:36 |
comstud | anyway, i digress. | 21:36 |
dansmith | well, | 21:36 |
dansmith | it's no-db-primitives or whatever too | 21:36 |
russellb | join all the things so it doesn't have to be looked up later | 21:36 |
dansmith | you can't do that without the join | 21:36 |
dansmith | russellb: 'because it can't' is more accurate | 21:36 |
comstud | You can query for security groups and rules separately though | 21:36 |
russellb | comstud: *nod* | 21:36 |
dansmith | comstud: yes | 21:37 |
comstud | when needed. | 21:37 |
russellb | just identifying likely history for why it's there | 21:37 |
comstud | every instance delete pulls them in which is a huge waste. | 21:37 |
comstud | yeah | 21:37 |
* beagles makes note to revisit apparently crazy db api behavior | 21:37 | |
comstud | anyway :) | 21:37 |
beagles | call it morbid interest | 21:37 |
dansmith | well, maybe we also try to remove some backrefs as part of this going forward | 21:37 |
russellb | beagles: :-) | 21:37 |
comstud | yes, there's a number of backrefs that need to go away | 21:38 |
dansmith | post-G I mean | 21:38 |
comstud | when you joinload security groups | 21:38 |
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comstud | you have instance['security_groups'] and each one has ['instances'] | 21:38 |
dansmith | dear god | 21:38 |
comstud | i'm sure all of this processing sql-a does contributes to its slowness. | 21:39 |
russellb | ouch | 21:39 |
beagles | wow | 21:39 |
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comstud | well | 21:39 |
comstud | it doesn't have *ALL* instances in ['instances'] | 21:39 |
comstud | it's not as bad as it sounds | 21:39 |
comstud | but whatever instances were queried will be in there | 21:40 |
russellb | all instances that use that security group? | 21:40 |
russellb | or? | 21:40 |
comstud | no | 21:40 |
comstud | instnaces that were queried | 21:40 |
dansmith | ah, okay | 21:40 |
dansmith | still, it's busywork | 21:40 |
comstud | AFAIK | 21:40 |
comstud | but | 21:40 |
comstud | instance_get_all() is nasty :) | 21:40 |
comstud | my mysqldb query is about 5s for 50K entries... 12s for sqlalchemy | 21:41 |
comstud | it populates a model similar to sql-a, but it has no backrefs. | 21:41 |
devananda | ugh, why are you every pulling 50k records from the db? | 21:41 |
devananda | *ever | 21:41 |
comstud | For load testing | 21:41 |
comstud | :) | 21:41 |
comstud | that's al | 21:41 |
devananda | aah :) | 21:41 |
sdague | yeh, be careful of the micro benchmarks though :) | 21:41 |
comstud | sure | 21:41 |
sdague | so if we are done on conductor, a related db question, is how much of the db blueprints do we expect / think are safe, to still land | 21:42 |
sdague | as there are still a bunch outstanding | 21:42 |
comstud | if any one missed my instance_destroy() test.. | 21:42 |
comstud | it took 20 minutes for 50K instances with sql-a | 21:42 |
comstud | lol | 21:42 |
comstud | i got it to like 40s with mysqldb + thread pooling | 21:43 |
russellb | #topic db | 21:43 |
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boris-42 | omg….. | 21:43 |
russellb | boris-42 wanted to talk about his db-unique-keys blueprint | 21:43 |
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comstud | anyway, I could complian forever about this.. let's move on | 21:43 |
comstud | ;) | 21:43 |
boris-42 | ;) | 21:43 |
boris-42 | Ok. I am working on db-unique-keys and I haven't enough time to do all job around.. | 21:44 |
sdague | I think the one remaining concern I have on db-unique-keys is the behavior in turning on a UC in a migration. As the initial patches would fail in the migration if the UC couldn't be applied, but it seems bad form to leave folks stuck in the middle of a migration chain. | 21:44 |
comstud | +1000 | 21:45 |
boris-42 | I finished main part of this BP (provide creating real UC) and finished work around DBDuplicatedEntry | 21:45 |
boris-42 | DBDuplicateEntryError=) | 21:45 |
dansmith | sdague: makes conductor look better though :) | 21:45 |
sdague | heh | 21:45 |
comstud | you can have the migration resolve duplicates and remove them | 21:45 |
* sdague thinks dansmith just wants off the hook | 21:45 | |
devananda | re the db-session-cleanup bp, i've been completely focused on other things and wont get around to the cleaning up the remaining bits of that :( | 21:45 |
sdague | comstud: yeh, that's my pov | 21:45 |
sdague | I just wanted to make sure that was shared | 21:46 |
comstud | i was going to add one for bw_usage_caches | 21:46 |
sdague | so we can shepard that through | 21:46 |
comstud | start_period+uuid+mac needs to be unique | 21:46 |
russellb | devananda: ok i'll bump it from g then | 21:46 |
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devananda | sdague: for applying a UX during a migration, could there be a query to check that it is, in fact, safe to apply? | 21:46 |
sdague | as long as we are consistent in believing that the right thing to do is remove the dups, I'm good | 21:46 |
comstud | if we're currently doing .first() queries on those things | 21:46 |
comstud | there's no point in keeping dups | 21:47 |
devananda | well | 21:47 |
sdague | devananda: I guess, except in the middle of a db-sync you might be trying to apply all 50 | 21:47 |
devananda | afaict, .first() is not ordered anywhere | 21:47 |
sdague | and exactly how would you test | 21:47 |
comstud | yeah, well, what I meant was.. | 21:47 |
comstud | if we only grab 1 | 21:47 |
devananda | so which one is returned is up to the db to pick ... however it wants | 21:47 |
boris-42 | Hmm I want to create generic method that will drop all duplicates except last | 21:47 |
boris-42 | is it ok? | 21:47 |
comstud | remove the dupes | 21:47 |
sdague | yeh, I think we just need to put some disclaimer | 21:47 |
sdague | boris-42: yes, I think that's the right thing to do | 21:47 |
comstud | boris-42: i think | 21:47 |
comstud | yes | 21:47 |
sdague | boris-42: and I know you were already working in that direction | 21:48 |
sdague | just wanted to confirm with everyone else here that it's the approach we're all good with | 21:48 |
boris-42 | Ok. I will do that. | 21:48 |
sdague | and we should put a big statement in release notes about the fact that the migrations remove duplicates | 21:48 |
sdague | so people should ensure to backup before upgrade | 21:49 |
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boris-42 | Ok. I only hope that I will have enough time. | 21:49 |
devananda | might be good to also log when the migration deletes duplicates | 21:49 |
devananda | ie, print the table name and row id | 21:49 |
jog0 | +1 to removing dups | 21:49 |
sdague | devananda: +1, I like that | 21:49 |
comstud | yes | 21:49 |
sdague | boris-42: can you add logging to the duplicate remover | 21:49 |
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boris-42 | Yes it is possible in my implementation | 21:50 |
sdague | boris-42: ok, cool, I'll help review this one and try to help get it in | 21:51 |
boris-42 | I found not so optimal solution. (there will be a lot of queries) but I think it is not so important for migration scripts? | 21:51 |
sdague | boris-42: yeh, that's probably ok. Let's get it in a review and have people have a look | 21:51 |
boris-42 | Ok I hope it will be finished on saturday (or probably tomorrow) | 21:51 |
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sdague | comstud: you able to stay on top of this review as well? | 21:52 |
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sdague | would be good to have a couple dedicated folks to help it move | 21:52 |
comstud | which one? | 21:52 |
comstud | dup keys? | 21:52 |
comstud | sure | 21:52 |
sdague | yep | 21:52 |
comstud | just add me to the review | 21:52 |
russellb | how about db-archiving, you guys think that one can make it? | 21:53 |
comstud | i'll *try* to keep up... i've been ignoring a lot of shit this week | 21:53 |
russellb | sounds like it was pretty close from talking to dripton earlier today | 21:53 |
sdague | russellb: yeh, that's real close | 21:53 |
russellb | awesome | 21:53 |
boris-42 | I think it is ready | 21:53 |
sdague | just needs a little test enhancement from my perspective | 21:53 |
sdague | he landed another review | 21:53 |
sdague | I haven't looked yet | 21:53 |
sdague | might be good now | 21:53 |
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dripton | sdague: I did a bunch of test tweaks after your review. | 21:53 |
boris-42 | It could be better | 21:53 |
sdague | dripton: great | 21:53 |
sdague | I'll take another look | 21:54 |
devananda | mind if I jump in re: baremetal for the last few minutes? | 21:54 |
boris-42 | some performance optimization to avoid getting all rows. | 21:54 |
boris-42 | Ok. | 21:54 |
russellb | there's a db meeting after this in theory if folks want to cover that some more | 21:54 |
russellb | #topic baremetal | 21:55 |
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sdague | boris-42: we could handle that as a bug after feature freeze | 21:55 |
russellb | devananda: go for it | 21:55 |
devananda | iirc, after the last nova meeting we agreed that the initial baremetal bp was implemented | 21:55 |
russellb | 'tis marked that way | 21:55 |
devananda | i've been hammering on bugs all week, and a few things that kinda border bugs | 21:55 |
devananda | ie, where baremtal cant' do things other hypervisors can | 21:56 |
devananda | there's a bunch of patches up now that I'd _really_ like to land ;) | 21:56 |
russellb | heh, lots of patches lots of people would like to land. | 21:56 |
krtaylor | +1 | 21:56 |
dansmith | russellb: but he _really_ wants them :) | 21:57 |
devananda | hehe :) | 21:57 |
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russellb | oh well that changes everything :-p | 21:57 |
russellb | devananda: anything you need beyong review bandwidth? | 21:57 |
devananda | fwiw, baremetal is really fragile right now. it works until you sneeze ... then you have to restack | 21:57 |
russellb | honestly if the patches are self contained in baremetal land, we can probably breeze them through | 21:57 |
devananda | these bugs go a good way towards fixing that | 21:57 |
devananda | they are. one of them changes how nova identifies baremetal nodes -- the hypervisor_hostname / nodename changes from an int to a uuid | 21:58 |
dansmith | devananda: this is improve-baremetal-deply? | 21:58 |
dansmith | er, deploy | 21:58 |
devananda | but no nova code actually changes | 21:58 |
devananda | dansmith: yes | 21:58 |
devananda | also there are 3 baremetal db migrations | 21:58 |
devananda | so i added a new test_baremetal_migrations.py file | 21:58 |
devananda | again though, basically self contained | 21:58 |
sdague | devananda: this just a patch stream? or hanging off a blueprint | 21:59 |
devananda | sdague: patch stream with many bug ##s in the commit messages | 21:59 |
sdague | ok, gotcha | 22:00 |
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russellb | well, out of time it seems | 22:00 |
russellb | seems worth mentioning again that featurefreeze is feb 19 | 22:01 |
russellb | review ALL THE THINGS | 22:01 |
russellb | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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