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| DuncanT1 | #startmeeting cinder | 16:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 13 16:04:33 2013 UTC. The chair is DuncanT1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:04 |
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| * DuncanT1 hopes there are some folks here or he's going to end up looking very silly ;-) | 16:04 | |
| avishay | I'm here | 16:05 |
| winston-d | hi DuncanT1 | 16:05 |
| rushiagr1 | DuncanT1: o/ | 16:05 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:05 |
| DuncanT1 | 'lo all | 16:05 |
| xyang_ | Hi | 16:05 |
| DuncanT1 | Shall we start with status updates? Who's got things they've been working on? | 16:05 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:05 |
| kmartin | FC update | 16:05 |
| avishay | FC update please | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT1 | #topic FC update | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FC update (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:06 | |
| kmartin | Will submit a patch today on the cinder side as well I hope final patch on the nova side | 16:06 |
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| kmartin | getting good reviews on the nova side | 16:06 |
| kmartin | idea is to submit two review on the cinder side, one for the base FC class | 16:07 |
| kmartin | and one for the 3PAR FC driver that dependson the base | 16:07 |
| xyang_ | kmartin: Is the base FC class mostly empty? | 16:08 |
| bswartz | kmartin: sounds like good news! | 16:08 |
| DuncanT1 | Sounds good, I'm sure people waiting on it will be keen to review. | 16:08 |
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| kmartin | This of course all depens on the nova changes getting in, but we feel like they will | 16:08 |
| kmartin | yes | 16:08 |
| avishay | More classes :( | 16:08 |
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| kmartin | It was suggested in the draft that we should put the base case in now | 16:08 |
| kmartin | so all driver would not need to change in the future, some common functions that can go in there will be copy vol to image and image to vol | 16:09 |
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| avishay | I have something to say about that, but don't want to hijack this topic :) | 16:10 |
| kmartin | if we left it out then all drivers would need to change when we added it | 16:10 |
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| xyang_ | kmartin: agree base class should be in first as it doesn't depends on nova changes | 16:10 |
| kmartin | yeah, the goal is to beat the rush on review that will happen next week, i | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT1 | avishay: Might as well make your point now as later.... | 16:11 |
| avishay | My point: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/reorganize-connection-specific-cinder-driver-code | 16:11 |
| kmartin | one change that came up in the nova reviews is we are changing the type from fibrechan to fibre_channel | 16:11 |
| avishay | The whole driver class hierarchy seems off as it stands | 16:12 |
| xyang_ | kmartin: so cinder driver needs to change type too | 16:12 |
| kmartin | avishay: xyang_ and jgrifftith both suggested we seperate | 16:12 |
| kmartin | xyang_: yes, it will be fibre_channel instead of fibrechan | 16:13 |
| DuncanT1 | avishay: While I don't necessarily disagree with the blueprint, there is no way that is going to go into Grizzly | 16:13 |
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| xyang_ | I think it's cleaner to have a FC base class | 16:13 |
| DuncanT1 | avishay: It would break everybody's driver, in tree and out | 16:13 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: that's fine - not necessarily for Grizzly | 16:13 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: for Grizzly my driver works fine with FC and iSCSI in one class...just something to think about onward | 16:13 |
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| rushiagr1 | avishay: I agree with your view, but its topic for H release | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT1 | Maybe discuss the class (& file) layout at the summit? There are some divergences of opinion on the subject | 16:14 |
| kmartin | that's all I had | 16:14 |
| kmartin | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:14 |
| avishay | rushiagr1: DuncanT1: where do we put summit topics? | 16:14 |
| avishay | that's why i made the blueprint | 16:14 |
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| avishay | there are lots of things that people say "we'll talk about it at the summit" and i don't know if anyone's keeping track :) | 16:15 |
| bswartz | avishay: design summit talks open up about a month before the summit | 16:15 |
| DuncanT1 | avishay: Start a wiki page & dump the link in the cinder channel & mailing list I guess? JGriffith can use it as a starting point then | 16:15 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: OK good idea | 16:15 |
| kmartin | avishay: good topic for the summit | 16:15 |
| DuncanT1 | No harm and probably lots of benefit in starting the list early | 16:15 |
| avishay | Will do | 16:16 |
| DuncanT1 | So any more questions on FC? | 16:16 |
| rushiagr1 | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:16 |
| avishay | I tested the current FC code with the Storwize/SVC driver - seems to work | 16:16 |
| DuncanT1 | Good to hear | 16:16 |
| xyang_ | When is the deadline for submit summit talks? Is it this week? | 16:16 |
| winston-d | all, design summit session submission is open at: http://summit.openstack.org | 16:16 |
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| rushiagr1 | xyang_: I guess its 15th this month | 16:17 |
| bswartz | wow they opend early this time | 16:17 |
| winston-d | nope, that was for conference | 16:17 |
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| kmartin | xyang_: the 15th is for conference sessions | 16:17 |
| bswartz | yeah confernce talks and design summit talks are different | 16:17 |
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| winston-d | i mean 15th deadline | 16:17 |
| DuncanT1 | I don't know when the deadline is, I'm afraid | 16:17 |
| rushiagr1 | okay | 16:18 |
| kmartin | design session I don't believe have open up yet | 16:18 |
| winston-d | kmartin: check out summit.openstack.org | 16:18 |
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| DuncanT1 | Moving along... | 16:19 |
| * kmartin tail between his legs :) | 16:19 | |
| winston-d | don't you received mail from Thierry(ttx)? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT1 | #topic minimum driver requirements | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT1 | We discussed this and I think kmartin put it up on the wiki: http://wiki.openstack.org/Cinder | 16:19 |
| DuncanT1 | I don't think there is much to discuss on the subject, but I wanted people to be aware that there is a current 'official' list for new drivers | 16:20 |
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| kmartin | DuncanT1: yep | 16:20 |
| Yada | Thanks kmartin, guess many of us did not know what Volume Stats need to be ;-) | 16:20 |
| Yada | DuncanT1 : where is this list ? | 16:21 |
| DuncanT1 | The wiki is the list | 16:21 |
| kmartin | I can then to the wiki if you think it would help | 16:21 |
| kmartin | I can add them^ | 16:22 |
| Yada | Cause we are working to add our, feature freeze is still the 19th isn't it ? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT1 | I'd certainly list to see a volume_stats list please :-) | 16:22 |
| Yada | martin : will help IMHO | 16:22 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:22 |
| kmartin | I'll add them today | 16:22 |
| DuncanT1 | You're happy to take that action on kmartin? Fantastic | 16:23 |
| Yada | but questions on this list of features : does it mean all existing and new driver MUST implement all of them ? | 16:23 |
| DuncanT1 | Yada: It means any new driver is unlikely to pass review without them | 16:23 |
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| bswartz | Yada: yes | 16:23 |
| Yada | fine with me (new driver is coming from us) | 16:23 |
| kmartin | DuncanT1: no problem | 16:23 |
| avishay | I guess another summit topic is when to toss old drivers in the garbage that don't get updated? | 16:24 |
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| bswartz | although for new features added in a future release, I think existing drivers get 1 release to catch up with feature parity | 16:24 |
| Yada | avishay: +1 | 16:24 |
| DuncanT1 | Yada: The details of supporting existing drivers needs discussion IMO, but something like one release to catch up or we drop them seems reasonable | 16:24 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: +1 | 16:24 |
| DuncanT1 | #action kmartin to document get_driver_stats for wike | 16:24 |
| DuncanT1 | #action summit session on supporting old drivers | 16:25 |
| Yada | DuncantT1 : so feature freeze will have no impact for old drivers (regarding volume stats implementation... ) : correct ? | 16:25 |
| DuncanT1 | Yada: No, though if we can get them fixed before feature freeze that would be better | 16:26 |
| Yada | can imagine | 16:26 |
| DuncanT1 | Ok, next update? Anybody want to say something on multi-backend perhaps? | 16:26 |
| avishay | I'm taking the liberty of removing 'Goals for Folsom release' from the wiki :) | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT1 | avishay: +1 | 16:27 |
| winston-d | hub_cap is not here | 16:27 |
| rushiagr1 | hub_cap not present | 16:27 |
| DuncanT1 | :-( | 16:27 |
| DuncanT1 | Scheduler status update? | 16:28 |
| DuncanT1 | Anybody got anything to say on that? | 16:28 |
| winston-d | yes | 16:29 |
| DuncanT1 | The stage is all yours | 16:29 |
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| kmartin | Yada: Current list of stats if you are still unsure stats = {'driver_version': '1.0', | 16:29 |
| kmartin | 'free_capacity_gb': 'unknown', | 16:29 |
| kmartin | 'reserved_percentage': 0, | 16:29 |
| kmartin | 'storage_protocol': 'iSCSI', | 16:29 |
| kmartin | 'total_capacity_gb': 'unknown', | 16:29 |
| kmartin | 'vendor_name': 'Hewlett-Packard', | 16:29 |
| kmartin | 'volume_backend_name': 'HP3PARISCSIDriver'} | 16:30 |
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| kmartin | sorry thought the was a private msg | 16:30 |
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| winston-d | so I was asking around about how to sort capacity if some back-end reports 'unknown' capacity and we kinda agree to add some other weigher if caapcity weigher cannot apply | 16:30 |
| winston-d | there are two basic ideas: one is to sort back-ends with allocated bytes, the other is allocated volumes. | 16:31 |
| winston-d | these two can be easily queried from DB, so it should apply to all back-end. | 16:32 |
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| winston-d | the allocated-byte weigher and allocated-volume weigher should be used when capacity weigher cannot apply (in the case when any back-end may report 'unknown' capacity) | 16:32 |
| avishay | seems reasonable | 16:33 |
| winston-d | feel free to raise question to me if you have any question about filter scheduler. | 16:33 |
| rushiagr1 | winston-d: isnt it kinda naive to judge on the number of volumes? so a backend with 3 volumes will have weight thrice as much as with 1 volume? (or 1/3rd) | 16:33 |
| xyang_ | winston-d: are you using both allocated bytes and allocated volumes, or just one of them? | 16:34 |
| DuncanT1 | rushiagr1: That depends on the backend and what you are trying to optimise placement for. | 16:34 |
| winston-d | xyang_: i think just one of them | 16:34 |
| winston-d | rushiagr1: yeah, the most straightfoward is to weight be free capacity, unfortunately, not all back-ends are able to report a number | 16:35 |
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| winston-d | more advantage weighers (such as DuncanT1's idea: weight back-end based on volume activities) may not apply to all back-ends, especailly those simple back-ends, such as lvm | 16:37 |
| rushiagr1 | hmmm... I was thinking if we can fall back to how simple scheduler works.. because using number of volumes is like skewing on a slightly unreasonable attribute | 16:37 |
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| Yada | winston-d : +1 need to be flexible to not lock some drivers cause they can not report some figures on this point | 16:37 |
| avishay | I think the default scheduler should not require anything from drivers at this point | 16:38 |
| DuncanT1 | rushiagr1: from simple.py def schedule_create_volume(self, context, request_spec, filter_properties): """Picks a host that is up and has the fewest volumes.""" | 16:38 |
| avishay | Allocated bytes seems reasonable | 16:38 |
| winston-d | i need to clarify what i am doing is to provide some (at least one) weigher that can be applied to all back-ends, so that we can set that as default weigher in Cinder while we are also providing a few other weighers. | 16:39 |
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| winston-d | in production, adimn will have to decide which weigher to use, not just follow the default | 16:39 |
| rushiagr1 | DuncanT1: oh, I thought it said "picks a host that is up and is able to fulfil the request". Thanks for pointing out | 16:39 |
| winston-d | rushiagr1: that is 'chance' scheduler | 16:40 |
| DuncanT1 | rushiagr1: Chance scheduler picks a host that is up at random | 16:40 |
| rushiagr1 | oh, okay. My bad | 16:40 |
| winston-d | avishay: well, filter scheduler requires some volume status to make decisions. | 16:40 |
| bswartz | a scheduler that goes by volume count would effectively result in a round-robin policy, which is at least deterministic, if not smart | 16:41 |
| avishay | winston-d: volume status? | 16:41 |
| winston-d | avishay: volumes stats | 16:41 |
| winston-d | anyway, i own you all a document for filter scheduler, sorry about that. i'm working on it, should be ready very soon. | 16:43 |
| avishay | winston-d: that would be great - thanks! | 16:43 |
| xyang_ | winston-d: based on allocated bytes and allocated volumes, can you calculate how much free space is left? | 16:43 |
| rushiagr1 | winston-d: would be helpful a lot | 16:43 |
| xyang_ | winston-d: doc will be very helpful. | 16:43 |
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| winston-d | xyang_: only if back-end can report total capacity | 16:44 |
| DuncanT1 | xyang_: Not if the backend doesn't know how big it is (and there are some that don't, due to compression, de-dupe, etc) | 16:44 |
| avishay | xyang_: except for infinity and unknown | 16:44 |
| xyang_ | ok | 16:44 |
| winston-d | yup, if it was that simple, back-end driver should be able to do it when report free capacity | 16:45 |
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| avishay | In my driver I report what the controller says in terms of capacity/free-space, but there is thin provisioning, possibly compression...is that right? | 16:46 |
| winston-d | oh, by the way, if capacity weigher is used when 'unknown' free capacity is reported, it will be treated the same as 'infinite'. | 16:46 |
| winston-d | does that sound reasonable? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT1 | I can't think of anything else to do... | 16:47 |
| winston-d | avishay: i think it should be ok. | 16:47 |
| avishay | winston-d: ok, thanks | 16:47 |
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| avishay | +1 for treating inf and unknown the same | 16:47 |
| kmartin | sounds fine with me | 16:47 |
| xyang_ | winston-d: doesn't seem to be a better way | 16:47 |
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| winston-d | and please review the re-try patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20514/ | 16:48 |
| rushiagr1 | I think there is a difference between 'infinity' and 'unknown' | 16:48 |
| avishay | rushiagr1: which is larger, infinity or unknown? :P | 16:49 |
| winston-d | yeah, if there's a commonly-accepted answer, i can take it. | 16:49 |
| avishay | rushiagr1: the question is how to sort - they will be the same | 16:49 |
| rushiagr1 | there are storage boxes which really can add capacity at a later point of time, bswartz am I correct? | 16:49 |
| DuncanT1 | rushiagr1: They are different, but specifically when sorting in order of capacity for the capacity weighter, is there any benefit to treating them differently | 16:49 |
| xyang_ | If it is unknown, you have to assume there's space available. It will fail if out of space. | 16:50 |
| bswartz | rushiagr1: we talked about this last week and I think we have to treat them the same | 16:50 |
| bswartz | I can't figure out any practical difference between them, as far as the scheduler is concerend | 16:50 |
| rushiagr1 | hmm... I agree with that | 16:50 |
| Yada | in this case why having two ? | 16:51 |
| kmartin | just to be clear it's infinite not infinity | 16:51 |
| avishay | at least with winston-d's retry patch if the driver reports incorrectly the volume can be allocated elsewhere | 16:51 |
| bswartz | Yada: while the scheduler may not care, something else might want to distinguish between the 2 cases | 16:51 |
| kmartin | at least that was the term we agreed on before | 16:51 |
| * rushiagr1 remembers the saying 'dont go into specifics so much that you forget the bigger picture' | 16:51 | |
| winston-d | bswartz: +1 | 16:51 |
| DuncanT1 | bswartz: +1 | 16:52 |
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| xyang_ | bswartz: +1 | 16:52 |
| kmartin | bswartz: +1 | 16:52 |
| DuncanT1 | Right, starting to run out of time, so... | 16:52 |
| DuncanT1 | #topic reviews | 16:52 |
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| avishay | I submitted a patch for the Storwize/SVC driver - it's ready for review (please take a look!), but keeping it tagged as WIP until the Nova FC patch goes in | 16:52 |
| DuncanT1 | There are lots of open reviews, and the number is growing not shrinking | 16:52 |
| Yada | bswartz: agree but as long as the something else will not generate issues aswell (impact select back-ends .../...) | 16:53 |
| kmartin | avishay: I will try to look at it today | 16:53 |
| avishay | kmartin: thanks! | 16:53 |
| kmartin | seems a few have a number of+1's but still not getting approved | 16:54 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: there are a few patches that have lots of +1s but aren't merged, and some patches that are kind of stale IMO | 16:54 |
| DuncanT1 | I'm not sure how to get more attention on specific reviews other than by asking in the cinder channel. | 16:54 |
| DuncanT1 | We are running towards being tight for time for feature freeze now, so 1) Please please test & review what you can... The more +1 a patch gets the more confidence core reviews have in the patch 2) Please shout up if you feel a patch is being ignored | 16:55 |
| DuncanT1 | avishay: If you think a patch is stale, can you put a note either in a PM or in the cider channel please? | 16:56 |
| avishay | DuncanT1: yep | 16:56 |
| jgallard | hello all, I'm taking a look at the multi-backend patch | 16:57 |
| DuncanT1 | jgallard: How are you getting on? | 16:58 |
| jgallard | I'm testing the last patch (v3) | 16:58 |
| jgallard | and it's seems to be OK now (I had an issue with greenthread) | 16:59 |
| jgallard | I will add a comment on the gerrit review | 16:59 |
| DuncanT1 | jgallard: Please do chime in on the review with you results, positive or negative | 16:59 |
| DuncanT1 | #topic Any other business | 17:00 |
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| rushiagr1 | The work for NAS as a service is into unit test phase | 17:00 |
| DuncanT1 | Anybody who has opinions on how AZs work, I'd appreciate feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21672/ | 17:01 |
| DuncanT1 | rushiagr1: Nice. Think you're on track for merge? | 17:01 |
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| rushiagr1 | DuncanT1: yes, but seems like not many people have reviewed it | 17:02 |
| rushiagr1 | DuncanT1: it would be problematic if someone comes up asking for a major overhaul in the last week | 17:03 |
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| DuncanT1 | rushiagr1: Always a risk, sadly. I suggest asking around for reviewers... I will try to have another look too | 17:04 |
| rushiagr1 | so I am just assuming people are more or less fine with it | 17:04 |
| DuncanT1 | Ok, I think somebody else will want this room now... Thanks everybody | 17:04 |
| rushiagr1 | okay. Your review would be helpful | 17:04 |
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| DuncanT1 | See you over in #openstack-cinder | 17:04 |
| DuncanT1 | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 13 17:04:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-13-16.04.html | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-13-16.04.txt | 17:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-13-16.04.log.html | 17:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 13 17:05:39 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hello everyone | 17:06 |
| matelakat | hi | 17:06 |
| Mr_T | howdy | 17:06 |
| antonym | hi | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I see there are a few things on the wiki page to talk about | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic agenda | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/XenAPI | 17:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 17:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Anyone got anything to raise about blueprints this week? | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have just added a summit session for the XenAPI roadmap for Havana | 17:07 |
| matelakat | It seems one of my blueprints was delayed | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | you got a link? | 17:08 |
| matelakat | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-volume-drivers | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | how much is left? | 17:08 |
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| matelakat | Not too much, the main problem, is that I would rather concentrate on the glance integration | 17:08 |
| toanster | hi | 17:08 |
| matelakat | THat gives us new functionality. | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is the XenAPI Cinder driver right? | 17:09 |
| matelakat | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/xenapinfs-glance-integration | 17:09 |
| matelakat | Yes. | 17:09 |
| matelakat | I posted a blog entry on xenapinfs - glance integration | 17:09 |
| matelakat | #link http://blogs.citrix.com/2013/02/12/xenapinfs-integrated-with-glance/ | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 17:09 |
| matelakat | If anyone is interested. | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | That should help with documentation stuff I guess | 17:10 |
| matelakat | So I would like to add the generic implementation as well, so it could deal with other image types as well. | 17:10 |
| matelakat | Anyone tried XenAPINFS? | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would put the driver refactor above generic glance integration myself, but that is your call | 17:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I tried it the one time, but not since you added the glance stuff! | 17:11 |
| matelakat | Okay. | 17:11 |
| matelakat | oh, btw, I set up CI jobs for it. | 17:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | internal to Citrix CI right? | 17:11 |
| matelakat | y, But leave it for the qa section | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | for sure | 17:11 |
| matelakat | Okay, so that's it. | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more blueprints on the edge? | 17:12 |
| matelakat | What other blueprints do we have pending? | 17:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure I spotted any | 17:13 |
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| matelakat | I just looked at the configdrive, it is marked as completed. | 17:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | is it complete? | 17:13 |
| matelakat | marked as implemented. | 17:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess there are edge cases to worry about? | 17:13 |
| matelakat | I haven't tried it myself. | 17:14 |
| matelakat | Do I need the latest cirros for trying that? | 17:14 |
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| matelakat | I see release 0.3.1 | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | depends on cloud-init version | 17:15 |
| matelakat | I see. | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | smoser should be able to tell you | 17:15 |
| matelakat | ok. | 17:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic docs | 17:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess we need to make sure how the doc bugs for XenAPI are going | 17:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone fancy taking a look at some? | 17:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess XenAPI NFS stuff we need something, not sure how the Cinder docs are doing | 17:16 |
| matelakat | John, how much time do we have for the doc -ing? | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | till release I guess, not sure how it will work this time | 17:17 |
| matelakat | Or those patches are welcome at any time? | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | depends on any translation freezes | 17:18 |
| matelakat | Oh, let me look at the schedule. | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | worst case it will just sit in a queue till it opens | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | they are good about backports | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | previous docs released after the code | 17:18 |
| matelakat | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I know there was a hope with string freezes to bring that forward | 17:19 |
| matelakat | It doesn't show the translation freeze. | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | String freeze is to help the docs and translation, but not the docs translation I guess | 17:19 |
| matelakat | Or is it the same? | 17:19 |
| matelakat | ah | 17:19 |
| pvo | o/ | 17:20 |
| pvo | sorry I'm late. | 17:20 |
| pvo | chatty today | 17:20 |
| matelakat | hi | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/StringFreeze | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | Thierry says it best | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | pvo: hi! | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK so lets go to bugs | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic bugs and QA | 17:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1119268 | 17:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1119268 in devstack "XS devstack fails to install on Quantal" [Undecided,Fix released] | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that was in the agenda, following on from last week | 17:22 |
| matelakat | Yes, we successfully installed a devstack - quantal combo. | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have a private branch looking to simplify the scripts, but not had time to work on that beyond a quick stab | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | on github | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other XenAPI bugs people want to discuss | 17:24 |
| matelakat | Is armando around? | 17:24 |
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| matelakat | live block migration bugs. | 17:24 |
| pvo | johnthetubaguy: not a bug per se, but we're looking to do some "diagnostics" on a vm that a support person would execute. | 17:24 |
| matelakat | But it's not strictly xenapi, I think. | 17:24 |
| pvo | basically calls that any support person would execute when first investigating an issue | 17:25 |
| pvo | would love some of your thoughts on things we would want to include. | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova-api extensions or more specific? | 17:25 |
| pvo | there is a 'diagnostics' extension in the nova api | 17:25 |
| pvo | but we're wanting to do some xen specific checks | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | got ya | 17:25 |
| pvo | which would likely be some xenapi plugins | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | things like Dom0 resource levels, but I guess that is more monitoring | 17:26 |
| matelakat | pvo: is there any blueprint for that, or some other info? | 17:26 |
| pvo | ideally we could develop the extensions without having to modify too much nova code | 17:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, makes sense | 17:26 |
| pvo | matelakat: not yet. We're just forming thoughts around it now. Not sure if its too late for blueprints in this cycle. | 17:26 |
| pvo | can get it going for the next one though. | 17:26 |
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| pvo | I'll get a bp started and we can add to it. | 17:27 |
| matelakat | cool. | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was a really good session (maybe two summits ago) where devops guys went through the main pain they were seeing | 17:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might be good to have a more structured version of that | 17:27 |
| bobba | Sorry guys - I know I'm late! | 17:28 |
| pvo | johnthetubaguy: thats exactly what I want | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | the think that comes to mind are Xen health checks, like resource levels | 17:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | rabbit queue lenghts are interesting | 17:28 |
| pvo | there are checks on the hypervisor and checks on what the vm is doing. | 17:28 |
| pvo | also looking for things like noisy neighbors, etc. | 17:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, looking for average load on the VMs | 17:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | or something like that | 17:29 |
| bobba | XAC can show some useful things like resource levels - we're thinking about exposing them through a supplemental pack | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | XAC? | 17:29 |
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| matelakat | I am not sure what Bob meant with the XAC. Let's wait, until he reconnects. | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, you back, XAC? | 17:30 |
| bobba | sorry - dunno what happened there guys | 17:30 |
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| matelakat | Bob, did you mean the javascript stuff? | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | what was XAC again? | 17:31 |
| bobba | XAC, yes, it's a useful little tool to do some very lightweight management of a XS host | 17:31 |
| matelakat | #link https://github.com/jonludlam/xac | 17:31 |
| pvo | bobba: where would I find more info on that? | 17:31 |
| pvo | ah | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh right, that fella | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | talks straight to XenAPI right? | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | via javascript | 17:31 |
| bobba | That's the one | 17:31 |
| bobba | #link xac | 17:32 |
| bobba | sorry! | 17:32 |
| bobba | #link https://github.com/jonludlam/xac | 17:32 |
| matelakat | Okay, so if that's Xapi, it should be easy. | 17:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it is certainly a nice visual tool to check the "heath" of the hypervisor | 17:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | my worry is not stamping on monitoring things | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | they are clearly different though | 17:33 |
| pvo | looks interesting. Would have to figure out how to get it to scale | 17:33 |
| bobba | it's got some charts there | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | it just sits on each hypervisor | 17:33 |
| bobba | doesn't really scale pvo | 17:33 |
| bobba | but it's useful to look at individual hosts | 17:33 |
| bobba | I guess the scalable monitoring would be through ceilometer? | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I worked with these guys once http://real-status.com/ | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | very cool collection and visualization | 17:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | but not open source | 17:34 |
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| matelakat | I think we are going too far. | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway, certainly worth some thought | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | later | 17:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 17:35 |
| matelakat | Let's whiteboard some ideas | 17:35 |
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| matelakat | I guess pvo will register a bp. | 17:35 |
| pvo | bobba: scale meaning, if we built it into another tool to do diags on a host | 17:35 |
| pvo | matelakat: planning on doing that this afternoon. Or actually training someone on building BPs. You'll see one, but it likely won't be from me. | 17:36 |
| matelakat | pvo: thanks | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess providing the URL to that host is what you need to integrate, assuming you have access to that network | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | or some kind of proxy | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyway, lets not get too distracted I guess | 17:37 |
| bobba | pvo: It just uses javascript, XAPI and the RRD information - so I imagine that would be easily portable. However, it will only work on remote hosts in Tampa+ because that's when JSON was added | 17:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| pvo | johnthetubaguy: that and the login credentials. all our hosts are different. | 17:37 |
| pvo | bobba: gotcha | 17:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | pvo: right, makes me think back to integrating keystone into XenAPI again | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | the web gui can have a token for limited access, or something, but need thought | 17:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | needs^ | 17:39 |
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| pvo | johnthetubaguy: that would be interesting for sure. | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets jump to stuff we have on the agenda | 17:40 |
| pvo | I think we'd talked about doing ldap as well for xapi. | 17:40 |
| pvo | kk | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I guess that is already there in some capacity with AD integration | 17:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we coved XenAPI NFS blog already | 17:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15022/ | 17:41 |
| bobba | LDAP on xenserver is very possible, but it does need some tuning and a few extra packages installed | 17:41 |
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| matelakat | Oh, yeah, ovs. | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | talk of XenServer supplemental pack | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess that review includes extra plugins | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is also talk of python26 packages, git, puppet, and others | 17:42 |
| bobba | Yeah - that's right. So I was thinking, I think that the only reason that devstack pulls via a zipball is because we don't have git in dom0? | 17:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 17:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | EPEL can give you that if you want it for dev | 17:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | we used to do it that way | 17:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but moved away for reasons that escape me | 17:43 |
| bobba | Okay. So we're planning to produce a supplemental pack that can be installed on a XenServer that will install python 2.6 - I was wondering if pulling in git and simplifying the XenServer devstack setup scripts would be a good option | 17:43 |
| antonym | git would be great :) | 17:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it has to be handy for pulling dev ops scripts too right | 17:44 |
| bobba | I'm sure! | 17:44 |
| antonym | definitely | 17:44 |
| matelakat | Give me an action on looking at that. | 17:45 |
| bobba | What else are people dying for in dom0? Clearly the best things to consider are ones that don't affect the base XS installation | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | Maybe these can be separate sup packs, since there is not much overhead in the suppack? | 17:45 |
| matelakat | +1 for many small suppacks | 17:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | matelakat: look at what? | 17:45 |
| zykes- | is there plans to land Ceilometer support for XenServer? | 17:46 |
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| antonym | small supp packs would work, then you could have a chef and a puppet pack seperated if needed | 17:46 |
| matelakat | look at the suppack creation, and how hard it is. So on the next meeting, I could show some progress. | 17:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | antonym: you read my mind | 17:46 |
| bobba | Ceilometer for XenServer is being looked at for Grizzly. I haven't caught up with rfy | 17:46 |
| bobba | sorry! premature-enter pressing | 17:46 |
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| bobba | yjing5 (I think, can't quite remember his IRC nick) was looking at Ceilometer for XenServer. | 17:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep someone form intel was taking a look, not sure if sandy was too | 17:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action matelakat to look at suppack for git, python26 (with pip), puppet | 17:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | supplimental pack is an rpm + metadata, there is a public SDK with tools to build them | 17:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are some old build scripts that could help on git hub in the geppetto bits I think | 17:48 |
| pvo | zykes-: yes, we're working on Ceilometer and Xen support at RAX | 17:48 |
| bobba | Actually part of the "DDK" - driver development disk | 17:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the name, cheers | 17:49 |
| zykes- | oh ! :) | 17:49 |
| pvo | it may be further out for fully supported however, | 17:49 |
| matelakat | Okay, I'll look at it, I just wanted a record of that intention. | 17:49 |
| bobba | driver development __kit__ | 17:49 |
| pvo | sandywalsh is working on that | 17:49 |
| matelakat | pvo: on the suppack packaging? | 17:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | ceilometer I think | 17:50 |
| pvo | matelakat: no, sorry. on the ceilometer xenserver support. | 17:50 |
| matelakat | ok. | 17:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more on those bits? | 17:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks promising on python26 et al | 17:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | official stuff will look good | 17:51 |
| zykes- | python what johnthetubaguy ? | 17:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, next item is "Getting images suitable for use in XenServer: Ideal source, format and mechanism for uploading." | 17:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | zykes: supplemental pack that contains python26 to run in Dom0 | 17:51 |
| zykes- | ok :) | 17:51 |
| bobba | yeah - I raised that one | 17:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | mate had a blog post on some fun ways to do some of this | 17:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the docs are very lacking | 17:52 |
| bobba | There's one image (ubuntu lucid) that I know about - I think someone at RAX generated that | 17:52 |
| matelakat | So we are using this image here: #link https://github.com/citrix-openstack/warehouse | 17:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | particularly all the semi-secret glance flags | 17:52 |
| matelakat | for testing. | 17:52 |
| bobba | I'm concerned that the blog post is a little too difficult for mainstream really | 17:53 |
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| bobba | I noticed that Canonical(?) are hosting a whole bunch of qcow2 images for openstack consumption | 17:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right | 17:53 |
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| bobba | I wondered if there is any way we can capitalise on those, or have VHD images that we can use in a different way | 17:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was a chat at the summit about that, or prehaps the ubuntu conference | 17:53 |
| matelakat | Is there any way to use those qcow images with XenServer? | 17:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | Mike McClurg had contacts with Ubuntu about their cloud images and getting VHD ones | 17:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know comstud has some code for doing raw->vhd using vhd util | 17:54 |
| bobba | oh does he | 17:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically there is no way for ubuntu to generate xenserver "happy" vhd files currently | 17:54 |
| bobba | I can get in touch with Mike and see what the score is with Canonical | 17:54 |
| bobba | yeah - we patch VHD util for performance reasons | 17:55 |
| bobba | the original VHD spec doesn't do everything we'd want | 17:55 |
| matelakat | #link http://blogs.citrix.com/2012/10/04/convert-a-raw-image-to-xenserver-vhd/ | 17:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | block alignment I guess, the stuff added to VHDX | 17:55 |
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| matelakat | #link http://blogs.citrix.com/2012/10/17/upload-custom-images-to-a-xenserver-powered-openstack-cloud/ | 17:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, its basically giving people some of these tools that will help things along | 17:55 |
| matelakat | John, do you know about any tricks to get qcow working on XS? | 17:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know comstud was thinking about linking vhdutil from qemu-img convert | 17:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, not actually tried, it involves hacking the SM scripts I think | 17:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | which are python at least | 17:56 |
| bobba | it'd be nice to get the vhdutil from XS upstream into qemu | 17:57 |
| matelakat | could you mail me a contact person to discuss it with? | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can do it with XL underneath, but there is no blk back driver or something | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | qcow? | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | storage architect you want | 17:57 |
| matelakat | ok | 17:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | keith petley | 17:57 |
| matelakat | ta | 17:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | (+ spelling corrections) | 17:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think you can do raw by adding raw files and some small hacks | 17:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is another option | 17:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: what was your exact question | 17:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | around images? | 17:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | bobba: I mean | 17:59 |
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| bobba | I'm not sure | 17:59 |
| bobba | I think a simpler way, whatever that way is, would be better | 17:59 |
| bobba | for example us using qcow2 images, or automatically converting on upload or something like that | 18:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess updaing horizon to support Xen related upload options would help | 18:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe scritps that wrap the glance cli that add the appropriate extra keys | 18:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | or glance cli extensions | 18:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, ok | 18:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | you mean image formats | 18:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I always assume people would prep on the XenServer and export the vhd | 18:01 |
| bobba | yeah | 18:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are out of time, so we should wrap up | 18:01 |
| matelakat | I think we could support other type of images easily - if we use qemu-img convert to pipe the bytes to the attached vdi. | 18:01 |
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| bobba | I think that's fine for small or huge deployments - but I guess some people want to consume other images - hence the market for the ubuntu qcow2 ones? | 18:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, this goes back to having a glance "convert" kind of function, possible using a conversion worker | 18:02 |
| matelakat | But that's only one direction. | 18:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | then glance supporting multiple disk types against a single image "parent" maybe | 18:02 |
| bobba | I've had a couple of guys asking me directly for XS images - the qcow2 ones are easily linked from OS documentation at the moment | 18:02 |
| bobba | just a thought :) | 18:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can use the three part raw amazon image directly though I think | 18:03 |
| bobba | oh yes that's true | 18:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | could be wrong on that one, maybe you need tools | 18:03 |
| bobba | the ami images? | 18:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 18:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 18:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are out of time | 18:03 |
| bobba | I did that today! :) | 18:03 |
| bobba | true | 18:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | :-) | 18:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 18:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 13 18:04:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-13-17.05.html | 18:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-13-17.05.txt | 18:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-13-17.05.log.html | 18:04 |
| matelakat | Okay, I guess that's the end. | 18:04 |
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| pvo | matelakat: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/extended-diagnostics | 18:04 |
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| pvo | will be adding more throughout today | 18:04 |
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| matelakat | pvo: thanks! | 18:04 |
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| pvo | please add whatever you think would help | 18:05 |
| matelakat | ok. | 18:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | looks good | 18:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 13 20:00:11 2013 UTC. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| sdake | hidey ho | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
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| sdake | sdake here | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | beep | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | hi | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | jpeeler here | 20:00 |
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| sdake | zaneb and shardy wont make it | 20:00 |
| sdake | lets go ahead and get started | 20:01 |
| sdake | #topic blueprint review | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprint review (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:01 | |
| sdake | stevebaker you have quite a few blueprints outstanding - need any help? | 20:01 |
| echohead | \o | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | I'm getting traction on them now | 20:01 |
| stevebaker | vpc, subnet, networkinterface done | 20:02 |
| Slower | here | 20:02 |
| sdake | https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | working on internet gateway now, will tackle route stuff last | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/rest-xml ... is this really grizzly critical? | 20:02 |
| sdake | i spoke with shardy about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-rollback said he is about 1 week out | 20:02 |
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| sdake | spamaps we descoped that from grizzly | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | should I set the goal to no value? | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | ah its still set as Series goal: grizzly | 20:03 |
| sdake | ya i just changed that | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | perhaps its time to setup havana? | 20:04 |
| sdake | i think zane didn't push all the right buttons | 20:04 |
| sdake | yes, going to setup havana so we can start targeting | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | he probably only unset the milestone | 20:04 |
| sdake | spoke with shardy about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-rollback he siad one week | 20:05 |
| sdake | just so folks know, the schedule is here: | 20:05 |
| sdake | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 20:05 |
| sdake | Feature freeze is in 7 days | 20:06 |
| sdake | that means blueprints not finished by then will be kicked to havana | 20:06 |
| sdake | this most likely affects stevebaker | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | hrm | 20:06 |
| sdake | on that schedule the week of the 28th and 7th are pure bug fix and test cycle days | 20:07 |
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| SpamapS | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/grizzly .. really impressive set of features :) | 20:07 |
| sdake | then we have 3 RCs | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | I see new resources as low risk commits, if they're broken, don't use them ;) | 20:07 |
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| sdake | ya, however, we should follow the os process as much as possible | 20:07 |
| sdake | if you need some aide with them stevebaker now time to ask ;) | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | yeah, i know | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | I could easily delegate some stuff | 20:08 |
| sdake | asalkeld interested in taking one? | 20:08 |
| sdake | and I'll take one | 20:08 |
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| asalkeld | I could, but just fighting with my setup atm | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | as soon as it is working... | 20:09 |
| sdake | ya im in same boat actually - devstack grumpy | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | you'll need a working quantum setup | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | also need to get v2 api into ceilometerclient | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | chances are I'll get it all in | 20:09 |
| sdake | ok stevebaker let me try to get quantum rolling - i'll ping you in heat channel if I can take one off your plate so you have more time | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | ok, ta | 20:09 |
| sdake | no guarantees though since i reloaded my ws with f18 my life has been a mess ;) | 20:10 |
| sdake | #topic incubation review | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "incubation review (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:10 | |
| stevebaker | one thing that would help is prompt code reviews | 20:10 |
| sdake | we went through the first step of incubation review Tuesday | 20:10 |
| sdake | which is "why we think we are ready" | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | nice job with that sdake | 20:10 |
| sdake | Folks can read the logs if they missed the meeting at 2000 UTC but i think it went pretty well overall | 20:10 |
| sdake | next step is for the tc to review our architectural stability | 20:11 |
| sdake | we also had a review of how well we fit into the os dev model - which got good reviews | 20:11 |
| sdake | so nice work everyone ;) | 20:11 |
| sdake | any questions? | 20:12 |
| sdake | thanks asalkeld | 20:12 |
| sdake | #topic open items | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | next step is people look at the code? | 20:12 |
| sdake | so short meeting | 20:12 |
| sdake | asalkeld i am not entirely clear on that | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:13 |
| sdake | I would expect so - or that they have already had a brief look | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | I have two questions.. | 20:13 |
| sdake | shoot | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | 1) blueprints for havana. I've been setting them up.. should we propose them by next meeting? | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | 2) we're developing a set of OpenStack Heat templates, as in, templates specifically for deploying OpenStack using Heat... | 20:14 |
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| sdake | I think a good time to review blueprints would be weeks of the 14th, 21st and 28th : http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | I don't see why blueprints can't be proposed throughout the H cycle for H development | 20:14 |
| sdake | ie: during the rc cycle | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | I think they should be hosted in heat's tree... but they're a bit less pragmatic than the templates in /templates | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | we need a separate repo of heat templates, curated into examples, useful things, etc | 20:15 |
| sdake | stevebaker i think some OS projects have different take on this - as we are just in incubation I'd like to follow the processes outlined but even in this cycle we added stuff after the cycle started | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | Ok so that sounds like a set of bugs to tackle. :) | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | blueprints post-summit are fine. The reason they might be frowned upon is if they are major features which the community at large may want to weigh in on.. hence the summit. | 20:15 |
| sdake | spamaps that could go in the main repo assuming the base functionality was there | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | sdake: I will go ahead and put them together and propose to add them to /templates .. and we can worry about reorganizing as a larger effort. | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | I thought it was bp that needed discussion, have talks at summit | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | Can we do what puppet/chef do with their modules/recipes? I think they have a root repo, and people clone that and add their own stuff | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | +1 stevebaker | 20:17 |
| sdake | ya - we have had some talk of a separate master repo for all templates | 20:17 |
| sdake | this may make sense for H, although I'd rather not rock the boat with G much at this point in the codebase | 20:17 |
| sdake | even if it is only moving templates around | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | agreed | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | I will create a BP | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | "template organization" | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: as long as its a public repo, it probably doesn't matter where your templates are for now | 20:18 |
| sdake | btw stevebaker feel free to move the cfntools repo into wherever you were planning to move it | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | we can come up with some ideas and have a short session at the summit | 20:18 |
| sdake | sounds good spamaps | 20:18 |
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| sdake | f18 + oz f18 guests is broke | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: right, the desire is for there to be a single place for collaborators on the "deploy openstack using heat" effort. | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | sdake, heat-cfntools is already there, the old ones need to be expunged from heat-jeos though | 20:19 |
| sdake | ya - i think you mentioned packaging in pypi or something | 20:19 |
| sdake | not sure only so many brain cells ;) | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | the cfntools are also out of sync too | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | its already getting released to pypi | 20:19 |
| jpeeler | i just synced heat-cfntools, so now would be a good time | 20:19 |
| sdake | yes, jpeeler has been pushing stuff in | 20:19 |
| asalkeld | well done jpeeler | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | jpeeler: sweet, thanks | 20:20 |
| sdake | #action review blueprints for havana week of 14th, 21st ,28th | 20:20 |
| sdake | ok anything else? | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/template-organization btw | 20:20 |
| * SpamapS is done | 20:20 | |
| sdake | ok thanks guys - 1 week left in cycle lets get er done - then 2 weeks of intensive test+bugfix then 3 weeks of rc bugfix | 20:21 |
| sdake | almost done with g ;) | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | Its worth mentioning to non-core developers, if you do enough contributions and reviews then you may be nominated for core | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | \o/ | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | yea | 20:22 |
| sdake | yar | 20:22 |
| sdake | just like any other OS project ;) | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | ... and when that happens we should probably remove non-reviewing core members out until they become active again | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | should define that | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | but +1 | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | like query review < 10 reviews a month and you are out | 20:23 |
| sdake | needs more discussion but would rather focus on g for time being - perhaps we can take that up at summit or during 14th-28th | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:23 |
| sdake | I tend to have a viewpoint of "people who have put in their time" model | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | sure, I just need my setup working! | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | summit is definitely a good time to have a few nominations already stacked up so you can have face to face with potential core devs | 20:23 |
| sdake | hate to boot people out of core because some other activity taking up their time for a cycle | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | make sure they won't go mad with power or try to control you with mind control | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | I woundn't be stressed | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | actually, I'm just trying to encourage more reviews ;) | 20:24 |
| sdake | lol | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | get back into it and get it back | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | http://www.start-news.com/images/New%20Dinner%20For%20Schmucks%20Clip%20Introduces%20Zach%20Galifianakis.jpg ... suggestion: -1 this guy | 20:25 |
| sdake | probably need a good look at what other projects do as well on this point | 20:25 |
| sdake | ok anything else? | 20:25 |
| * imbrandon tried to mind control SpamapS once ... that did not end well for me :) | 20:25 | |
| stevebaker | heh | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | seems like we done | 20:26 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 13 20:26:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-13-20.00.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-13-20.00.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-13-20.00.log.html | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | sdake: ty! | 20:26 |
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| nijaba | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 21:00 |
| nijaba | #meetingtopic Ceilometer | 21:00 |
| nijaba | #chair nijaba | 21:00 |
| nijaba | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/MeteringAgenda | 21:00 |
| nijaba | ATTENTION: please keep discussion focused on topic until we reach the open discussion topic | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 13 21:00:48 2013 UTC. The chair is nijaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Current chairs: nijaba | 21:00 |
| nijaba | Hello everyone! Show of hands, who is around for the ceilometer meeting? | 21:00 |
| nijaba | o/ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 21:01 |
| * dragondm waves | 21:01 | |
| dragondm | o/ | 21:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:01 |
| nijaba | nice to see everyone! | 21:01 |
| nijaba | #topic actions from previous meeting | 21:01 |
| nijaba | #topic dhellman to update documentation based on http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Units | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dhellman to update documentation based on http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Units (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:01 | |
| nijaba | dhellmann: update? | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | no work on that, sorry | 21:02 |
| nijaba | reaction? | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | repeat for next week | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to update documentation based on http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Units | 21:02 |
| nijaba | thanks | 21:02 |
| nijaba | #topic eglynn, jd, sandywalsh, spn, nijaba, dhellmann to help on http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Graduation | 21:02 |
| nijaba | #info done | 21:02 |
| nijaba | There is a topic for the graduation process | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "eglynn, jd, sandywalsh, spn, nijaba, dhellmann to help on http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Graduation (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:02 | |
| nijaba | #topic nijaba to write an email explaining how to propose a topic for the H summit | 21:02 |
| nijaba | #info done | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nijaba to write an email explaining how to propose a topic for the H summit (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:03 | |
| nijaba | We do need some clarification between the session tool and the bp process though. There is a topic for that too | 21:03 |
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| nijaba | that's it for last week's actions | 21:03 |
| nijaba | #topic G3 blueprints review | 21:03 |
| nijaba | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "G3 blueprints review (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:03 | |
| nijaba | anything that should be updated in the bp status? We have one week left before feature freeze! | 21:04 |
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| sandywalsh | o/ | 21:04 |
| asalkeld | sorry late | 21:04 |
| dhellmann | I've been working on the notification subscription api for oslo | 21:04 |
| * jd__ all green | 21:05 | |
| asalkeld | nijaba, I need to add v2 support to the client | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | it's not far enough along to submit there, but I'm not blocked on anything other than the number of hours in a day | 21:05 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yep, I saw that. I updated the status of the bp to "good progress" | 21:05 |
| eglynn | I'll slot the qpid testing in early next week, so will be done for g3 | 21:05 |
| dragondm | dhellmann: nice. | 21:05 |
| nijaba | eglynn: great! | 21:05 |
| jd__ | nijaba: if bps are Implemented now but not targetting anything in Grizzly, should we set a target or milestone to something to indicate the release it's implemented in? | 21:05 |
| nijaba | jd__: please, retarget indeed! | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | jd__: that seems like a good idea | 21:06 |
| jd__ | asalkeld: I've started that I think there's a review for that | 21:06 |
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| jd__ | nijaba, dhellmann ok, i'll have some work then :-] I think i've a few! | 21:06 |
| nijaba | jd__: this is what I call good surprises :) | 21:06 |
| * dhellmann notes that jd__ has been a coding machine lately | 21:07 | |
| asalkeld | well done jd | 21:07 |
| jd__ | :) | 21:07 |
| jd__ | thanks guys | 21:07 |
| nijaba | anything else on that topic? | 21:07 |
| nijaba | guess not... | 21:08 |
| nijaba | #Graduating from incubation update | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | well, any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/publisher-counters-frequency? | 21:08 |
| nijaba | meeting one of 3 or 4 went well I think. Thanks to everyone's contribution | 21:08 |
| nijaba | It was focused on why we think we are ready. | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | #topic Graduating from incubation update | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | hmm, guess I can't tell the bot what to do | 21:09 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: thanks :) | 21:09 |
| nijaba | #topic Graduating from incubation update | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Graduating from incubation update (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:09 | |
| eglynn | yeah I think it went relatively well | 21:09 |
| eglynn | (so far ...) | 21:09 |
| nijaba | Next week we'll be discussing our architecture stability. Same time, same place. Unfortunately, I have another commitment that evening, so I would appreciate if someone else could take the lead. Volunteer? | 21:09 |
| eglynn | will all 3/4 meeting be considering Heat and Ceilo in parallel? | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | are the logs for that meeting available? | 21:10 |
| nijaba | I think the prep work is all done | 21:10 |
| eglynn | I can do it | 21:10 |
| jd__ | i'll be there too | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | I should be able to attend, too | 21:10 |
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| eglynn | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-01-08-20.02.log.html | 21:11 |
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| eglynn | dhellmann ^^^ logs for the last meeting | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | excellent | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | Tuesdays are turning into "go to the doctor" days, so I may be a little late next week | 21:11 |
| nijaba | eglynn: yep | 21:11 |
| * nijaba 's connection dropped for a while, sorry | 21:12 | |
| eglynn | dhellmann, jd__: lets huddle before next week's TC meeting to talk startegy, do any prep required etc. | 21:12 |
| jd__ | eglynn: sounds like a good plan! | 21:12 |
| nijaba | thanks to the volunteers | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes, definitely -- Monday? | 21:12 |
| asalkeld | not a good time for me | 21:12 |
| nijaba | eglynn: the prep on the arch is already started on the wiki page | 21:13 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: Monday works for me | 21:13 |
| eglynn | nijaba: cool | 21:13 |
| jd__ | Monday works for me too | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: maybe we should try to pick a time when we can get asalkeld's input, too, if he won't be able to attend Tuesday | 21:13 |
| eglynn | great idea | 21:13 |
| nijaba | or we could continue to use the wiki as an async tool to put our brains together? | 21:14 |
| asalkeld | sure | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: yeah, that, too | 21:14 |
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| eglynn | lets do a short huddle as well, say Monday at this timeslot? | 21:15 |
| jd__ | fine with me | 21:15 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: ok | 21:15 |
| nijaba | eglynn: +1, I'll do my best to join | 21:15 |
| eglynn | cool | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: in our metering room (unless this room is available?) | 21:16 |
| nijaba | #info prep meeting for next tc meeting monday at 21UTC in #openstack-metering | 21:16 |
| eglynn | sounds like a plan | 21:16 |
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| nijaba | we do not need a bot, so our chan seems fine | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 21:17 |
| jd__ | like we would wander on IRC without finding each others :) | 21:17 |
| nijaba | ok, let's move on | 21:17 |
| nijaba | jd__: hehe | 21:17 |
| nijaba | #topic Should we deprecate the V1 API? - dhellmann | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we deprecate the V1 API? - dhellmann (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 21:17 | |
| dhellmann | jd__: packets passing in the night | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes | 21:18 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: go ahead and defend your proposal! | 21:18 |
| jd__ | this is a bold topic | 21:18 |
| nijaba | ;) | 21:18 |
| eglynn | deprecate == continue to support for 1 more release cycle? | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | yes, start the process of deprecation | 21:18 |
| jd__ | I am not confortable doing that for G | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | the v2 api is much better, and if it isn't complete yet it will be very early in h | 21:18 |
| nijaba | why? | 21:18 |
| jd__ | v2 isn't really finished yet | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | so I think *after H* we should drop v1 | 21:19 |
| sandywalsh | +1 | 21:19 |
| eglynn | does anyone recall the mechanics of the nova v1 API deprecation? | 21:19 |
| jd__ | releasing G with "you can use v1 but it's deprecated, so use v2 but it's not finished" isn't really friendly | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | or at least start the process of dropping it, following whatever the usual support path is | 21:19 |
| eglynn | (before my time) | 21:19 |
| * eglynn wondering how long a released API should be kept around for ... | 21:19 | |
| nijaba | We have multiple people starting to dev for v1. I have a hard time convincing them to use the api rather than hitting the db directly. if we deprecate the api, there is no point in using the api at all | 21:19 |
| dhellmann | jd__: yep, that's why I'm suggesting for with or after h | 21:19 |
| sandywalsh | I think dropping it before incubation ends might be the only factor there :) | 21:20 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: you suggest deprecate for H or remove for H? | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | jd__: deprecating | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | so it would come out in, what, I or J? I'm not sure of the rules. | 21:20 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: in that case I agree :) | 21:20 |
| nijaba | I am personally NOT in favor of removing it before J at least | 21:20 |
| eglynn | make a clear statement its on the deprecation path, but keep support in place for H, right? | 21:20 |
| jd__ | nijaba: I think that's acceptable | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | basically, I want to start the process as part of the plans for H, but I don't want to consume an entire summit session to have the conversation about it | 21:21 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, seems reasonable ... is it a fork-lift change? (rewrite of client usage required)? | 21:21 |
| nijaba | sandywalsh: yes :( | 21:21 |
| sandywalsh | hmm | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: good question, I'm not sure. I suspect so, but we might be able to put a shim into the client to ease the transition. | 21:21 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: yes, but it isn't like a big conceptual change neither | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | right | 21:21 |
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| jd__ | we just simplified things, etc, it's not like we were changing paradigm(s) entirely | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | this isn't something we need to decide during this meeting, I just wanted to start people thinking about it. | 21:22 |
| jd__ | ack :) | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | Like I said, I don't think we need a summit session on the subject, but it's something to be deciding as we go into H. | 21:22 |
| eglynn | my main concern is that we go to pains to follow "best community practice" on the deprecation | 21:22 |
| nijaba | but still, the point of having people use an API is to shield them from underlying changes. I do not see why we could not maintain v1 andv2 | 21:22 |
| eglynn | (so that it doesn';t become an issue in the graduation assessment ...) | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes, absolutely (I just don't know what those are, yet.) | 21:22 |
| asalkeld | perhaps a statement in the dosc would be good | 21:22 |
| sandywalsh | that's what nova did ... the keystone default endpoint just changed to /v2 | 21:22 |
| jd__ | nijaba: we probably can for I, maybe after it'd be a burden | 21:23 |
| sandywalsh | /v1 still works, but it's essentially frozen | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | nijaba: the problem is maintaining support for both in the storage drivers, if we have to change the storage formats | 21:23 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: me neither, anyone familiar with how the nova v1 API deprecation was handled? | 21:23 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, ^ | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: so the nova v1 api is still there? | 21:23 |
| sandywalsh | it was several milestones later that it was physically removed | 21:24 |
| * sandywalsh double checks it *was* actually removed | 21:24 | |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: a-ha, I didn't realize that ... thanks for the info | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | dhellmann, re the db, you optimise for the new api and just make the old api function | 21:24 |
| asalkeld | so make the old api ugly, not the new api | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: makes sense | 21:25 |
| nijaba | asalkeld: that would be somewhat more acceptable | 21:25 |
| sandywalsh | nova v1 is now physically removed | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | FTR, I'm OK with keeping it, too, if we decide we want to go that route. I just wanted to bring it up, since v2 is nearing feature-completeness | 21:25 |
| nealph | would like to have time with v2 to kick the tires and provide feedback while v1 is still functional... | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | how about if I table this until after the ODS? | 21:26 |
| eglynn | another datapoint is how the glance v1/v2 API transition is being handled ... using config options to selectively enable/disable the two APIs independently | 21:26 |
| nijaba | over time | 21:26 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: that might be wise | 21:26 |
| asalkeld | what are the missing gaps in the v2 api? | 21:26 |
| asalkeld | post api | 21:26 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: yes please! | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | #info motion tabled | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | asalkeld: I need to be able to query against projects that have updates | 21:27 |
| jd__ | :) | 21:27 |
| nijaba | #topic We need more people doing active code reviews. - dhellmann | 21:27 |
| sandywalsh | my bad ... /v1.1 now maps to /v2 | 21:27 |
| * eglynn hangs head in shame | 21:27 | |
| dhellmann | we have, I think, 15 pending changesets | 21:27 |
| nijaba | I think the plea is clear | 21:27 |
| eglynn | (about lack of time fore reviewing ...) | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | so either jd__ needs to slow down, or we need to pick up the pace on reviews | 21:27 |
| sandywalsh | dhellmann, I'll try and get some more done | 21:27 |
| * jd__ can't slow down | 21:28 | |
| eglynn | at one point nova had this concept of a rotating "review day" | 21:28 |
| nijaba | it does not help that it is a holliday week in china | 21:28 |
| asalkeld | it's jd__ fault he works too fast | 21:28 |
| jd__ | but i'll be on vacation in a few weeks ;) | 21:28 |
| sandywalsh | jd__, I'm usually on early (nova scotia time) ... ping me if you have something you need looked at urgently. Can't help on the +2's though :) | 21:28 |
| eglynn | so one core reviewer was the designated primary each working day | 21:28 |
| nijaba | I could do some reviews... but I tried to get away from that as we we getting more core devs | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: that's an interesting idea | 21:28 |
| eglynn | and committed to dedicating a significant of their time to the backlog | 21:29 |
| jd__ | sandywalsh: well +1 helps too :) | 21:29 |
| nijaba | feel free to ping me if I can help | 21:29 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, we dropped core review days in nova. It was restrictive | 21:29 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: k | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | is everyone subscribed to the ceilometer updates from gerrit, so you're notified of new changes automatically? | 21:29 |
| jd__ | honestly, compare to other projects I'm not sure we are that slow | 21:29 |
| * eglynn thought it might have legs with a smaller group of core devs ... | 21:29 | |
| jd__ | I've much more trouble getting patches approved on keystoneclient for example… | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | jd__: feel free to add me as a reviewer to anything, and I'll look at it | 21:30 |
| jd__ | to the point some patches have +1 and +2 and expire… | 21:30 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: thanks :) | 21:30 |
| nijaba | jd__: same here | 21:30 |
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| * jd__ is going to spam dhellmann and nijaba | 21:31 | |
| nijaba | hehe | 21:31 |
| * dhellmann knows how to set up mail filters | 21:31 | |
| eglynn | on glance, direct harassment on IRC to scare up reviewers is common, and isn't resented too much ... | 21:31 |
| jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20817/ is really useful for Ceilometer, and still waiting like, for ever | 21:31 |
| * dhellmann makes a note to look at that tomorrow morning | 21:32 | |
| nijaba | I'll do that one today then | 21:32 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, +1, that's a best practice :) | 21:32 |
| dhellmann | anyway, if you're a reviewer, please take a look at our current backlog when you have time | 21:32 |
| jd__ | nijaba, dhellmann I've just added you to 4 or 5 reviews on keystoneclient :) | 21:32 |
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| nijaba | jd__: ah, that 's in keystone, I won't help much there | 21:32 |
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| dhellmann | I'm probably going to be adjusting my schedule to mostly do reviews on thursdays, with less emphasis the rest of the week | 21:32 |
| nijaba | or not as much | 21:33 |
| jd__ | nijaba: nevermind :) | 21:33 |
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| nijaba | anything else on that topic? | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | no | 21:34 |
| nijaba | #topic Ceilometer summit session process | 21:34 |
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| nijaba | So, I did sent my email about how to propose a bp for discussion at the summit | 21:34 |
| nijaba | ttx replied to my email saying we could use the summit tool too | 21:34 |
| nijaba | I personally think that we should use a mix of both, and propose that for any session proposing a technical change or addition, a bp MUST be linked so that we have a place to prepare the session. What do you guys think? | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 21:34 |
| jd__ | sounds good +1 | 21:34 |
| sandywalsh | +1 | 21:34 |
| eglynn | yep | 21:35 |
| asalkeld | k | 21:35 |
| nealph | is the summit tool gated on the Feb-15th deadline? | 21:35 |
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| sandywalsh | I'm still a little confused how best for us all to meet and pound out the topics like metadata and aggregation ... informal or separate session talks? | 21:35 |
| nijaba | ok, so the reviewer of summit.o.c will have the role to enforce that | 21:35 |
| nijaba | nealph: no | 21:35 |
| nijaba | sandywalsh: separate sessions | 21:36 |
| sandywalsh | nijaba, cool ... and will you guys be registering those? | 21:36 |
| asalkeld | sandywalsh, last time we had one day for ceilometer | 21:36 |
| nijaba | nealph: we have until the week before the summit to adjust the schedule I think | 21:36 |
| * sandywalsh doesn't want to cause duplication | 21:36 | |
| asalkeld | then the rest of the days to meet up | 21:36 |
| asalkeld | we could do both | 21:36 |
| nijaba | sandywalsh: I am for sure a reviewer at this time. next ptl will be too | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | sandywalsh: in the past, I've had PTLs propose merging sessions to avoid dupes | 21:37 |
| * dhellmann would rather merge dupes than miss an important topic | 21:37 | |
| nealph | nijaba:thx | 21:37 |
| nijaba | dhellmann: same here | 21:37 |
| nealph | *working bp's for discussions | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh | ok, I'll submit and we can merge if needed | 21:37 |
| nijaba | sandywalsh: thanks | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh | nealph, +1 | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | can I also suggest that folks email the list with topics they propose, for those of us who are not reviewers and not seeing email notifications from the summit planning tool? | 21:37 |
| sandywalsh | good idea | 21:38 |
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| nijaba | #agreed session should link to bp if a change is proposed | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | that will also give us a chance to subscribe to the blueprints, wiki pages, etc. | 21:38 |
| asalkeld | eglynn, are you going to talk about synaps stuff? | 21:38 |
| asalkeld | arch etc.. | 21:38 |
| eglynn | asalkeld: yep, I'm planning to propose | 21:38 |
| asalkeld | k | 21:38 |
| eglynn | at least one session | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | nijaba, do we have any input on timing | 21:39 |
| eglynn | just to clarify the Feb-15th deadline mentioned above | 21:39 |
| eglynn | that's for the conference track only, right? | 21:39 |
| asalkeld | last year we had ceilometer and heat at the same time | 21:39 |
| * dhellmann has to drop off in a few minutes | 21:39 | |
| * eglynn too | 21:39 | |
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| * dhellmann bbiab | 21:40 | |
| nijaba | asalkeld: we should have our own rooms this year | 21:40 |
| nijaba | asalkeld: and as much time as we ask for | 21:41 |
| nijaba | withing the summit dates, of course | 21:41 |
| asalkeld | hopefully not overlapping | 21:41 |
| eglynn | nijaba: different days would be good too | 21:41 |
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| nijaba | asalkeld: ack | 21:41 |
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| nijaba | anything else for this topic? | 21:42 |
| asalkeld | nope | 21:42 |
| nijaba | #topic Open discussion | 21:42 |
| dragondm | sounds fine. | 21:42 |
| nijaba | is the bot dead, or is it my connexion? | 21:43 |
| jd__ | nijaba: you put a space in front of #topic | 21:43 |
| nijaba | #topic Open discussion | 21:43 |
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| jd__ | it's picky | 21:43 |
| nijaba | jd__: thanks | 21:43 |
| sandywalsh | so, I've spent the last two days working on a summary report in StackTach (we needed internally) ... I'd like for people to think about how we could get such a report from CM :) | 21:43 |
| sandywalsh | snip: https://gist.github.com/SandyWalsh/4946226 | 21:43 |
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| sandywalsh | (I'll be thinking about it too :) | 21:44 |
| sandywalsh | it's the PHB report | 21:45 |
| nijaba | jd__: my connection is so bad, can I #chair you for the end of the meeting? | 21:45 |
| jd__ | nijaba: sure | 21:46 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: p90 +/- 5% == the range p85..p95? | 21:46 |
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| nijaba | #chair jd__ | 21:46 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jd__ nijaba | 21:46 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, p90 | 21:46 |
| nijaba | jd__: thanks | 21:46 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: can you explain the "(+/-5.0% cut)" | 21:46 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, sorry lowest 5% and top 5% dropped | 21:46 |
| sandywalsh | 5% of the sorted populated | 21:47 |
| sandywalsh | population | 21:47 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: the lowest & highest 5% in the 90th percentile bucket, or overall? | 21:47 |
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| asalkeld | so this doesn't seem tooo far from the statistics query we have | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, overall | 21:48 |
| eglynn | k | 21:48 |
| sandywalsh | asalkeld, I'd love to see how you generate it ... this was quite a treat | 21:48 |
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| sandywalsh | (and failures can be operations that took too long) | 21:49 |
| asalkeld | well there is some missing bits, we don't have all the notification info atm | 21:49 |
| asalkeld | operation/failures | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh | right | 21:49 |
| asalkeld | timing | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh | heh | 21:49 |
| sandywalsh | (that's the whole report :) | 21:50 |
| asalkeld | Min* | Max* | Avg* | Requests | 21:50 |
| jd__ | yes, that'd be new meters to add | 21:50 |
| asalkeld | we have that ^ | 21:50 |
| sandywalsh | asalkeld, how, request_id isn't tracked is it? | 21:50 |
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| asalkeld | don't think so | 21:51 |
| asalkeld | but our query api so quite powerful | 21:51 |
| sandywalsh | you need that to compute duration | 21:51 |
| asalkeld | something like groupby request_id | 21:52 |
| sandywalsh | anyway ... something to consider | 21:52 |
| jd__ | sure | 21:52 |
| asalkeld | yip | 21:52 |
| jd__ | anything else before I close the meeting? | 21:52 |
| nijaba | nope | 21:52 |
| nijaba | :) | 21:53 |
| asalkeld | later guys | 21:53 |
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| sandywalsh | later! | 21:53 |
| nijaba | thanks everyone! | 21:53 |
| jd__ | thanks guys | 21:53 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| eglynn | see y'all, I'll be offline for at least tmrw, possibly Friday too ... | 21:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 13 21:54:02 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-02-13-21.00.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-02-13-21.00.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-02-13-21.00.log.html | 21:54 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ok :) | 21:54 |
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