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| DuncanT | Are people about for the cinder meeting? | 16:00 |
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| avishay | I am about | 16:01 |
| eharney | i'm here | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | me too | 16:01 |
| frankm | here | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 12 16:01:54 2012 UTC. The chair is DuncanT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| kmartin | yep | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | I was away for the last two meetings and we don't seem to have an agenda planned, so feel free to shout up with topic for discussion | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:03 |
| avishay | Start with updates? FC? Volume backup? | 16:03 |
| zykes- | FC please :) | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | #topic FC update | 16:03 |
| frankm | volume backup | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FC update (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| zykes- | if that doesn't land i'm doomed ;p | 16:03 |
| kmartin | I can provide an FC update | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | kmartin: Show's all yours | 16:04 |
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| kmartin | As we mention last week we have a Proof of Concept working | 16:04 |
| kmartin | and making good progress with the HP legal system | 16:04 |
| kmartin | I would expect we could share the code at the start of the new year | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | Sounds like good news | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | That work for you zykes? | 16:05 |
| kmartin | Still meeting with the Brocade, IBM , EMC guys on a weekly basis to make sure we cover all the requirements for the different vendors | 16:06 |
| kmartin | that's all I have Duncan | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | Good stuff. Anybody any comments? | 16:07 |
| avishay | None for me. Sounds good. | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | Shall we move on to volume backups? | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | #topic volume backups | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "volume backups (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:09 | |
| rushiagr | yes | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | (shout if I'm skipping people) | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | frankm: You there? | 16:09 |
| frankm | I can give an update on this | 16:09 |
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| frankm | We've started forward porting our code to cinder | 16:10 |
| frankm | So far so good, steady progress | 16:10 |
| frankm | Plan is to have something ready to share early in the new year | 16:10 |
| avishay | frankm: can you please give 2 sentences on design? Is it only for detached volumes? | 16:11 |
| frankm | It for backing up volumes in the available state | 16:11 |
| smulcahy | avishay: yes, only for detached volumes | 16:11 |
| frankm | so, yes detached volumes only | 16:12 |
| avishay | OK | 16:12 |
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| thingee | frankm: early in the new year...is this still a goal for g2? | 16:12 |
| frankm | yes, g2 is still the goal | 16:12 |
| smulcahy | thingee: we expect what we push will need some rework but should have something by then | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | Hopefully people will be generous with reviewing early and often :-) | 16:13 |
| thingee | DuncanT, frankm: yea I'll make sure to be available. good luck guys | 16:13 |
| avishay | I will do my best as well | 16:14 |
| rushiagr | I will also try to help, though my exposure to cinder is limited at this point of time | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | rushiagr: The more the merrier | 16:15 |
| eharney | i will try to as well | 16:15 |
| thingee | smulcahy, frankm: awesome. there ya go :) | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | Ok, so it sounds like we are making progress there. Anything else on the status front? Filter scheduler? | 16:15 |
| avishay | DuncanT: I have a couple topics for the meeting if you run out: bug squashing day tomorrow, and things people need help on, especially for g2 | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | Lets take those two then | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | #topic bug squashing day | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | The floor is yours | 16:17 |
| smulcahy | on volume backups - cinder has a FLAG - storage_availability_zone which doesn't seem to be set in installations I've seen - can we rely on that being set to availability zones in production configs? | 16:17 |
| avishay | DuncanT: Just wanted to bring to people's attention, and hope we can squash some bugs :) | 16:18 |
| smulcahy | and, also on volume backups, we've found it very useful to have thread_ids in debug and error log messages - we're currently wrapping LOG.debug in the volume backup service to do this but I'm wondering is there any reason not to modify the cinder log formatter to always insert the thread_id ? It would be useful imo | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | Is it a project wide thing or just cinder tomorrow? | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs | 16:18 |
| avishay | project-wide | 16:18 |
| thingee | DuncanT: project wide | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | Righto | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | What about things people need help on? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | We've still got some blueprints with nobody talking about them... | 16:19 |
| avishay | I am now available part-time to work on general Cinder stuff...any urgent blueprint that I can tackle within a few days work? | 16:20 |
| eharney | i think i need to update my LIO blueprint and get it targeted correctly | 16:20 |
| thingee | DuncanT: we should be available in #openstack-dev and #openstack-cinder in case people need help contributing to the project that are new I think is what avishay meant. | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | smulcahy: Your two points are noted... | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Yup, thought I'd see if anybody wants to shout up now - can't have a meeting finishing early ;-) | 16:21 |
| thingee | DuncanT: did we already talk about filter drives? | 16:22 |
| thingee | drivers* | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | Nope, I was desparately scanning the logs to see who was talkking about them last week ;-) | 16:22 |
| thingee | http://wiki.openstack.org/CinderMeetings | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT | Any updates on that? | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | Looks like winston-d isn't on now? | 16:23 |
| thingee | DuncanT: nah he hasn't answered in #openstack-cinder | 16:24 |
| thingee | DuncanT: skip along to volume type create? | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | thingee: That was last week's agenda I think | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | Any questions about volume type create? Looks from the logs like avishay was happy? | 16:26 |
| avishay | I'm always happy :) | 16:26 |
| avishay | I'm still not sure if volume types are flexible enough for everything we'll want in the future though | 16:26 |
| avishay | For example, it would be nice to be able to set a string without defining a new type. For example, for volume affinity. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | They don't handle per--volume tuning at all, among things, but I think that's a post-g2 discussion | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | I do entirely agree with you though | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | I've had a volume affinity blueprint open for ages that needs thinking about, interface-wise | 16:28 |
| avishay | For example, declare a volume with group "database", and all volumes in that group should go to the same back-end (or different ones, depending on what you want) | 16:28 |
| avishay | Anyway, no action item here...need to think about it :) | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | :-) | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | #topic threads and debugging | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | smulcahy bought up a good point that we don't have thread id in the default debug format, which can make trawling the logs painful | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Anybody got a good reason not to add it? | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | (Anybody else found it a problem?) | 16:30 |
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| avishay | I'm ambivalent, but it could be useful in the future | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT | Certainly we saw, when several backup threads are all working hard, it was impossible to untangle the messages | 16:32 |
| avishay | maybe it's a dumb question, but what threads are there | 16:32 |
| winston-d | jgriffith: sorry i'm late | 16:33 |
| smulcahy | avishay: If multiple requests are made to a cinder service, it can result in multiple threads of execution starting to process the requests in parallel | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | So each API request coming in goes to one of a pool of greenthreads... they're often fast enough you don't see much overlap in the logs, but for long running ops you certainly can do | 16:33 |
| smulcahy | avishay: in the case of the backup service which involves long-running operations, we can see tens of threads running at the same time | 16:34 |
| avishay | Ah, didn't realize that - good to know | 16:34 |
| smulcahy | what DuncanT said :) | 16:34 |
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| DuncanT | Looks like we can slap a patch in and see if anybody screams then... | 16:35 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: that's greenthreads of volume service, right? | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: Yup | 16:35 |
| winston-d | k | 16:36 |
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| DuncanT | winston-d: Have you any update on the filter scheduler? | 16:38 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: well, i've submitted two patches for common filter/weight to Oslo to address russellb's suggestion. | 16:39 |
| winston-d | but the review process is slow | 16:39 |
| winston-d | so filter scheduler patch in cinder review is pending | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | Ok, thanks. I can see the review, thanks | 16:41 |
| russellb | yeah, i've been out of commission on reviews lately, sorry | 16:41 |
| russellb | way behind on my usual review amount | 16:41 |
| russellb | sorry :( | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | I'm the same, took a vacation | 16:42 |
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| DuncanT | Right, was there anything else? | 16:42 |
| winston-d | russellb: it seems other oslo core are not interested neither? | 16:42 |
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| smulcahy | Yes | 16:43 |
| smulcahy | cinder's use of availability_zones | 16:43 |
| russellb | winston-d: get any reviews yet? | 16:43 |
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| russellb | winston-d: once i can get in there, i'll ping some other reviewers | 16:44 |
| smulcahy | in nova-volumes and now in cinder, we have this flag storage_availability_zone | 16:44 |
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| winston-d | russellb: nope, not yet. | 16:44 |
| winston-d | russellb: sure, that'll be great. thx! | 16:44 |
| smulcahy | I haven't seen it used in production environments - does anything rely on this always being nova or can we start using this to identify the actual availability_zone the service is running in? | 16:44 |
| russellb | ok, the rest of my week is looking better, so i'll try to get on it very soon | 16:44 |
| smulcahy | are people already using it correctly in their environments? | 16:44 |
| winston-d | russellb: great! thank you | 16:45 |
| winston-d | smulcahy: what do you mean by using it correctly? | 16:45 |
| smulcahy | Just wondering if we can use this in the volume backup service or whether we need to add a 'volume_backup_availability_zone' or somesuch | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | Is storage_availability_zone actually used for anything other than the euca api? | 16:46 |
| smulcahy | winston-d: as in setting it in the nova.conf (or cinder.conf now I guess). | 16:46 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: euca api doesn't use it AFAIK | 16:46 |
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| winston-d | well, euca api uses it in nova, but not in cinder. | 16:47 |
| smulcahy | winston-d: we're using availability_zone in volume backups as part of the unique identifier for a backup in swift (since swift may be cross-az, we could possibly get a naming collision without it). But if cinder is always deployed with this set to 'nova' we'll see problems. | 16:47 |
| smulcahy | does that make sense? | 16:48 |
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| winston-d | smulcahy: az in cinder is... complex. in AWS, you can only attach volume from same az to EC2 instance. but in OpenStack, we don't actually have such constrain/limit. | 16:49 |
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| winston-d | smulcahy: at least not in OpenStack API level. | 16:49 |
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| winston-d | but to follow AWS, I guess it's suggested to set storage_availability_zone for cinder to the same string as nova (if they logical in the same az). | 16:50 |
| smulcahy | winston-d: maybe my confusion is stemming from a lack of understanding of how az's in cinder should/do work. Feel free to point me at the documentation if there is some. In the abscence of that though - I wonder is it reasonable for use to use storage_availability_zone to identify backups created from volumes in a particular 'az' or whether we need to use a specific flag for volume_backups. | 16:51 |
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| smulcahy | it sounds like it is reasonable to re-use it from this discussion | 16:51 |
| smulcahy | and we can revisit it in future if we encounter someone using az's in a different way | 16:52 |
| winston-d | smulcahy: for that question, i suggest we re-use storage_az flag | 16:52 |
| smulcahy | winston-d: ok, thanks | 16:52 |
| winston-d | that flag was named that way back in nova-volume time. back then, nova has two az flags, one for nova, one for volume. | 16:53 |
| winston-d | we may actually rename that flag if it causes much confusion, i guess. | 16:53 |
| smulcahy | I think the flag name makes sense | 16:54 |
| smulcahy | Might make sense to put it into the default cinder.conf to expose it though | 16:54 |
| avishay | I need to go. Just one quick thing that may be of interest - a fellow IBMer is soon submitting iSCSI multipath support to nova - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-volume-multipath-iscsi | 16:54 |
| smulcahy | (perhaps its there already) | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | avishay: The review mentioned in that blueprint appears to be a 404? | 16:55 |
| winston-d | smulcahy: yes, it was there. | 16:56 |
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| winston-d | s/was/is | 16:56 |
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| winston-d | smulcahy: that default value for that flag is 'nova', same default value as nova's az flag. | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT | #topic Any final bussiness | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT | Anybody got anything else to bring up? | 16:58 |
| winston-d | nope | 16:59 |
| rushiagr | i missed adding my bit when we were discussing helping new people on cinder | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | rushiagr: Now is as good a time as any to make comments.... | 17:00 |
| avishay | DuncanT: I don't think he submitted yet - but keep an eye out if it interests you | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | avishay: Will do | 17:00 |
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| rushiagr | i was just bringing to notice that i might ask some trivial looking questions on the cinder channel.. | 17:01 |
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| DuncanT | rushiagr: Ask away - new folks always welcome :-) | 17:01 |
| winston-d | rushiagr: yeah | 17:02 |
| rushiagr | actually the problem is - i am usually up at the channel during office hours in India | 17:02 |
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| rushiagr | and as this channel is not logged, i sometime miss some discussion | 17:03 |
| rushiagr | this = #openstack-cinder | 17:03 |
| winston-d | rushiagr: hey bro, i'm in China. so the time I'm usually up is largely overlapped with yours. | 17:03 |
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| resker | openstack-meeting is logged | 17:04 |
| resker | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/ | 17:04 |
| DuncanT | rushiagr: Many people are logged into the channel 24/7 - it means you have a local log at least | 17:04 |
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| winston-d | rushiagr: you can have a 7x24 IRC session in office, even while you were not there. | 17:04 |
| rushiagr | winston-d: okay, will remember that | 17:05 |
| DuncanT | Right, we're just about out of time for today... Thanks to everybody for coming, and apologies if I was less than smooth in the chair - JohnG will be back next week I hope! | 17:05 |
| rushiagr | winston-d: will do that in a couple of days | 17:06 |
| thingee | thanks | 17:06 |
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| rushiagr | DuncanT: thanks | 17:06 |
| winston-d | thx DuncanT | 17:06 |
| DuncanT | #end-meeting | 17:06 |
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| kmartin | thx DuncanT | 17:06 |
| DuncanT | #endmeeting | 17:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 12 17:06:58 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-12-12-16.01.html | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-12-12-16.01.txt | 17:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2012/cinder.2012-12-12-16.01.log.html | 17:07 |
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| johngarbutt | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 12 17:07:32 2012 UTC. The chair is johngarbutt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:07 |
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| johngarbutt | Hi all, lets start the XenAPI meeting | 17:07 |
| johngarbutt | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/XenAPI | 17:08 |
| johngarbutt | Usual page has the agenda | 17:08 |
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| johngarbutt | let's start with blueprints | 17:08 |
| johngarbutt | #topic blueprints | 17:08 |
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| johngarbutt | anyone got any progress to report on blueprints/features? | 17:08 |
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| johngarbutt | over in citrix we are working on refactoring the volume drivers in nova | 17:10 |
| johngarbutt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-volume-drivers | 17:10 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-volume-drivers | 17:10 |
| johngarbutt | seems to be getting there | 17:10 |
| johngarbutt | anyone else? | 17:10 |
| pvo | o/ | 17:10 |
| pvo | just a hello, that is. | 17:11 |
| comstud | ehlo | 17:11 |
| BobBall | And a hello from me also. | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | cool, hi people | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | we have pending reviews for this blueprint: | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | (in quantum) | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/xenapi-ovs | 17:11 |
| johngarbutt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15022/ | 17:12 |
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| johngarbutt | this is good work done by internap, so if people can take a look, but maybe more for a quantum specific meeting | 17:12 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: I'll see if we can find some folks to take a look at that. | 17:12 |
| johngarbutt | awesome, thanks. | 17:12 |
| johngarbutt | there is this follow on one two #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15023/ | 17:13 |
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| johngarbutt | cool, shall we move on to Docs stuff? | 17:13 |
| johngarbutt | #topic docs | 17:13 |
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| johngarbutt | so we have this doc: http://wiki.openstack.org/HypervisorSupportMatrix | 17:14 |
| johngarbutt | I have been updating it now and then | 17:14 |
| johngarbutt | are there any major things that are missing | 17:14 |
| BobBall | We're very keen to know if there are major items missing from the matrix | 17:15 |
| johngarbutt | I spotted networking and storage features, i.e. support for particular vendors seems to be missing | 17:15 |
| zykes- | i have a question in terms of things | 17:15 |
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| zykes- | does stuff now run in vpx machines with xenserver or on ubuntu nodes? | 17:15 |
| johngarbutt | ubuntu VM on top of XenServer, or any other linux PV guest for that matter | 17:16 |
| zykes- | is it hard to setup contra kvm ? | 17:16 |
| johngarbutt | it is a bit harder, because of the extra VM, but devstack does deal with both | 17:17 |
| johngarbutt | maybe you raise a good point, we need some docs on how to get started with Ubuntu packages an XenServer | 17:17 |
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| zykes- | johngarbutt: so you create a vm inside the xenserver? | 17:17 |
| zykes- | automated or ? | 17:17 |
| johngarbutt | #action raise doc bug for XenAPI in Ubuntu docs | 17:18 |
| johngarbutt | depends what you are doing, devstack will create an Ubuntu VM for you, if you run it on your XenServer | 17:18 |
| johngarbutt | we should probably take this offline onto #openstack later or the ML? | 17:19 |
| comstud | http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServer/Development | 17:19 |
| comstud | that contains part of getting a domU set up for nova-compute | 17:19 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: are we trying to push more xenserver or xcp? Or that should be the exact same? | 17:19 |
| pvo | does the feature lag time between the two matter? | 17:19 |
| johngarbutt | And here: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/tools/xen/README.md | 17:19 |
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| annegentle_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/introduction-to-xen.html | 17:20 |
| johngarbutt | XenServer vs XCP shouldn't matter in that list | 17:20 |
| johngarbutt | which feature lag time were you thinking about? | 17:20 |
| zykes- | only sad thing is that xenserver doesnæ't have ceilometer support :) | 17:20 |
| johngarbutt | I thought it did have something, armandomi at Internap is a guy who knows | 17:21 |
| johngarbutt | not sure it is documented yet... | 17:21 |
| zykes- | johngarbutt: got time afterwards to chat a bit ? | 17:22 |
| pvo | zykes-: what do you mean there? | 17:22 |
| johngarbutt | afraid not today, but certainly should arrange some time soon | 17:22 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: I thought the flow was opensource xen -> xcp -> xenserver in terms of feature dev and flow. | 17:23 |
| pvo | but maybe I have some of that reversed | 17:23 |
| zykes- | just chat about xenserver vs kvm | 17:24 |
| johngarbutt | I see you mean, at the moment it is more Xen -> XenServer -> XCP | 17:24 |
| johngarbutt | but I think there is a hope to change that | 17:24 |
| johngarbutt | and get more people involved at the XCP level, patches are already welcome, just not great process around there yet | 17:25 |
| pvo | zykes-: shoudln't ceilometer just take nova message formats? | 17:25 |
| pvo | what isn't supported from the xen side? | 17:25 |
| johngarbutt | not sure it works like that yet, I herd discussion on people moving that way, but not been tracking it closely enough | 17:26 |
| BobBall | pvo, The confusion may have come from a recent XCP which was produced post-XS6.0 but pre-XS6.1 with some XS6.1 features included in it. | 17:26 |
| pvo | I think there is interest on our side to get more involved at the XCP level as well. | 17:26 |
| pvo | BobBall: maybe so. I know I need to get more visibility into it. Been kinda distracted by this whole "launch a product thing" :) | 17:27 |
| zykes- | pvo: cpu pulling i think | 17:27 |
| BobBall | Quite understandable! :) | 17:27 |
| pvo | zykes-: this is cpu polling of the VMs? | 17:27 |
| pvo | I'm actually interested in that as well. Are you using xen/xcp/xenserver and need that? | 17:28 |
| zykes- | pvo: atm i'm on kvm, but concidering xen | 17:28 |
| pvo | zykes-: is there a bug opened for it yet? | 17:28 |
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| zykes- | don't think so | 17:29 |
| zykes- | the stuff they poll off of libvirt is what you need | 17:29 |
| pvo | zykes-: gotcha. | 17:30 |
| johngarbutt | Armando told me there was a XenAPI RRD stuff, but I can't see it in the code now I am looking myself | 17:30 |
| pvo | can probably model it the way we do bw. | 17:30 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: we had a lot of issues with the rrd code for polling bw | 17:31 |
| pvo | BobBall can attest | 17:31 |
| johngarbutt | thanks for the heads up! I think bobball mentioned that | 17:31 |
| zykes- | how well does SAN disks fare with OpenStack and Xen ? | 17:31 |
| BobBall | I'm aware of a polling issue for net devices in XS6.0 but I believe they are resolved in XS6.1 | 17:31 |
| johngarbutt | if you do iscsi you are fine, roughly | 17:32 |
| zykes- | johngarbutt: more like fc :) | 17:32 |
| johngarbutt | We are in the process of adding NFS | 17:32 |
| johngarbutt | no idea about fc I am afraid, XenServer supports that stuff, but not the OpenStack+XenServer combo at the moment | 17:32 |
| johngarbutt | depends exactly what you want to do with your SAN | 17:33 |
| zykes- | what is it that decides that johngarbutt ? | 17:33 |
| zykes- | a xenapi layer ? | 17:33 |
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| johngarbutt | well I was more meaning if you want to store all VM disks on the SAN, or if you want to let OpenStack manage your SAN like Volumes that get attached | 17:34 |
| zykes- | johngarbutt: both :) | 17:34 |
| johngarbutt | OK... | 17:34 |
| johngarbutt | do you want to do the first one using boot from volume, that is the best way I guess | 17:34 |
| johngarbutt | the issue is getting your SAN vendor supported inside Cinder, does it work with KVM today? | 17:35 |
| johngarbutt | the second issue is making that support work with how XenAPI models storage | 17:35 |
| zykes- | johngarbutt: HP is working with it :) | 17:35 |
| zykes- | and some others (brocade + emc i believe as well) | 17:36 |
| johngarbutt | interesting, I would have to look at that, last time I looked they were all iSCSI based | 17:36 |
| zykes- | it should be a pretty HOT topic i think since alot of enterprises already have fiberchannel | 17:36 |
| zykes- | :p | 17:36 |
| johngarbutt | its also a point where they can look at cheaper soutions, but lets get back on topic and make sure we talk more later, sounds interesting | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | any more on docs stuff? | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | did we spot anything missing on that matrix | 17:37 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: I don't think so, atm | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | #action look at fiberchannel support in cinder, see if it needs to go on matrix | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | cool | 17:37 |
| johngarbutt | lets move on QA | 17:38 |
| johngarbutt | #topic QA | 17:38 |
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| johngarbutt | tomorrow is bug squash day, any big ones people are worries about | 17:38 |
| johngarbutt | seems like a good chance to triage the Xen bugs, kick out some old ones, and see if there are some easy things we can fix | 17:38 |
| BobBall | Fraid I have to jump now - will catch up on the minutes tomorrow. | 17:38 |
| johngarbutt | OK | 17:39 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: will review that list and see if we can throw some folks into that tomorrow. | 17:39 |
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| pvo | can't commit yet though | 17:39 |
| zykes- | ofc you can buy cheaper stuff, but if you have existing gear already in place then you get the idea..... you can simply use what you have! | 17:39 |
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| pvo | johngarbutt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1061045 is pretty bad for us. | 17:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1061045 in nova "Failure to set root password leaves instance in ERROR" [High,Confirmed] | 17:40 |
| johngarbutt | just for giggles, I am sat in the Cambridge office wearing black tie and dinner suit ready for the christmas party later! | 17:40 |
| johngarbutt | ouch | 17:40 |
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| johngarbutt | there was some talk about this, we need to be able to report some errors but not put the instance into the Errored state | 17:41 |
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| pvo | yea, I think that was the gist of what Johannes mentioned in the bug | 17:41 |
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| johngarbutt | ah yes, I see his point, we could avoid the need for the error state | 17:41 |
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| comstud | i don't understand the API 500 side of that | 17:42 |
| comstud | because the API doesn't wait | 17:42 |
| johngarbutt | oh, I guess nova-compute takes so long to return the manager recons the compute is dead | 17:43 |
| johngarbutt | maybe it should be doing a cast not a call in the compute api | 17:43 |
| johngarbutt | would have to check that | 17:43 |
| comstud | set_admin_password is a call | 17:43 |
| comstud | building is a cast | 17:43 |
| johngarbutt | that would do it | 17:44 |
| comstud | the bug report is not clear | 17:44 |
| comstud | it must be referring to set_admin_password | 17:44 |
| comstud | not building a new instance | 17:44 |
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| johngarbutt | I think so, we should add a node about that | 17:44 |
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| johngarbutt | OK, so in other QA news... | 17:45 |
| johngarbutt | we are rebuilding our internal QA stuff, just running devstack and tempest | 17:45 |
| johngarbutt | and using it to test everything we have added recently | 17:45 |
| johngarbutt | NFS, boot from volume, live migration, etc | 17:45 |
| johngarbutt | it would be ace to have more public tests | 17:46 |
| johngarbutt | in the same vain as smokestack | 17:46 |
| johngarbutt | i.e. hooking into gerrit but external | 17:46 |
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| johngarbutt | or maybe we could try get the CI team to get the existing system to work with XS too? | 17:47 |
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| johngarbutt | anyone got time to work on that at the moment? | 17:47 |
| johngarbutt | does it seem important to you too? | 17:47 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: we're look at some of those. | 17:47 |
| pvo | our CI team is interfacing with OS CI team to get some of our tests integrated, like SmokeStack | 17:47 |
| pvo | I should put you in touch with those guys on our side. | 17:48 |
| johngarbutt | awesome, that would be good | 17:48 |
| johngarbutt | we are already running devstack with XenServer quite frequently, and had a few ideas to improve things | 17:48 |
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| pvo | #action pvo to get john in touch with rax CI team | 17:48 |
| johngarbutt | with XS 6.1 we should be able to run XenServer in a VM, which could help | 17:48 |
| pvo | johngarbutt: ya, looking forward to that. | 17:49 |
| johngarbutt | OK moving on to next part | 17:49 |
| johngarbutt | (we covered bugs... oops) | 17:49 |
| johngarbutt | #topic AOB | 17:49 |
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| johngarbutt | are people good with this meeting time? | 17:50 |
| johngarbutt | is weekly good for people? | 17:50 |
| pvo | ya, works for me | 17:50 |
| pvo | wiki says its every 2nd Wed of the month | 17:50 |
| johngarbutt | will try keep it shorter | 17:50 |
| johngarbutt | yes, I was thinking move to weekly | 17:50 |
| pvo | so we want to move? | 17:50 |
| pvo | ok | 17:50 |
| pvo | works for me | 17:50 |
| johngarbutt | that we I am less likely to forget, and we can keep them short at meaningful, hopefully | 17:51 |
| johngarbutt | awesome, afraid I should run off now | 17:51 |
| pvo | sounds good. | 17:51 |
| johngarbutt | thanks for coming along | 17:51 |
| pvo | thanks john | 17:51 |
| johngarbutt | np | 17:52 |
| johngarbutt | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 12 17:52:04 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2012/xenapi.2012-12-12-17.07.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2012/xenapi.2012-12-12-17.07.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2012/xenapi.2012-12-12-17.07.log.html | 17:52 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting Heat | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 12 19:59:40 2012 UTC. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 19:59 |
| asalkeld | rollcall | 20:00 |
| stevebake | \o/ | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | here | 20:00 |
| zaneb | howdy | 20:00 |
| asalkeld | lets go thro' last weeks actions | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | see what we forgot to do | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | stevebake should submit a ci change to automatically release to pypi when a tag is pushed | 20:01 |
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| stevebake | done, awaiting approval | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | #topic review last weeks actions | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review last weeks actions (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:02 | |
| stevebake | also at the request of the projects meeting I've enabled tarball and docs jobs for heat | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | #chair stevebake zaneb jpeeler asalkeld | 20:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: asalkeld jpeeler stevebake zaneb | 20:02 |
| stevebake | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17897/ | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | nice, well done | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | stevebake: can you close the bug for the PyPi thing then? | 20:02 |
| stevebake | no idea what that does ;) | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | asalkeld kill the heat-api/python-heatclient repo | 20:03 |
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| stevebake | zaneb: I think I have, fixed-released | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | I haven't done that :( | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | stevebake: cool, hadn't looked in a couple of days sorry | 20:03 |
| zaneb | I don't get as many email notifications from launchpad as I expected | 20:03 |
| stevebake | it was only yesterday, to look good for the projects meeting ;) | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | #action asalkeld really kill heat-api/python-heatclient repo this time | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | stevebake look at make the gettingStart easier to understand | 20:04 |
| stevebake | #action stevebake look at make the gettingStart easier to understand | 20:04 |
| asalkeld | :) | 20:04 |
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| stevebake | annegentle_ mentioned yesterday we should start looking at moving our docs off the wiki | 20:05 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: hey, yep. | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | #topic docs | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:05 | |
| annegentle_ | hi all | 20:05 |
| annegentle_ | :) | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | hi | 20:05 |
| stevebake | hey! | 20:05 |
| annegentle_ | so we try to write docs for specific audiences as a pattern for the docs | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | so how do we do that? | 20:05 |
| annegentle_ | Use your docstrings and Sphinx for the other Python devs you want to write for. | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:06 |
| annegentle_ | for operators, people running Heat, think about an overall guide or integrating in to the current docs which are written in markdown or docbook or asciidoc | 20:06 |
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| annegentle_ | for API consumers, try to have an API guide that separate with that audience in mind | 20:07 |
| shardy | sorry I'm late - got stuck in traffic :( | 20:07 |
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| asalkeld | no worries | 20:07 |
| zaneb | annegentle_: I thought Re:structuredText was preferred over markdown? | 20:07 |
| stevebake | The thing is, our getting started guide should be based on installing packages, but we don't quite have packages yet | 20:07 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: ah, okay, sure. | 20:08 |
| annegentle_ | zaneb: sorry all those ascii-based markups are the same to me :) | 20:08 |
| annegentle_ | zaneb: RST is fine too | 20:08 |
| stevebake | so dev docs are in our own source repos? | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | annegentle_: cool, thanks for the clarification. we have some of each anyway ;) | 20:08 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: yup | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | annegent_ so we don't need to put any docs into a separate repo? | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | I thought we did | 20:09 |
| annegentle_ | ops docs will go into the openstack-manuals repo | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | I see | 20:09 |
| asalkeld | (excuse the newbie questions) | 20:09 |
| annegentle_ | but since you're not core, you might just start your own separate doc with the future proofing of getting it into it's own "guide" (not wiki pages) | 20:09 |
| annegentle_ | asalkeld: no worries, glad you're asking! :) | 20:09 |
| annegentle_ | mostly I just ask people not to reinvent the wheel, use patterns we already have in place, think about audiences | 20:10 |
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| asalkeld | ok thanks annegentle_ | 20:10 |
| annegentle_ | I think you're heading in the right direction, and drafting in the wiki (or ether pad( is always a good start | 20:10 |
| annegentle_ | that's all I got, feel free to ask questions as you go | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | cool | 20:10 |
| stevebake | so if we start writing ops docs, do it in our repo but in the same format as openstack-manuals? | 20:10 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: ideally yes, such as in a /doc/heat-install/ folder or some such | 20:11 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: then just think of how "heat-install" fits into the overall Install and Deploy manual as a chapter or some such | 20:11 |
| stevebake | yep | 20:11 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: not required, but for easier insertion later, you know. | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | ok we need some bug(s) for this | 20:12 |
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| annegentle_ | one thing that I'll want to think about and understand is your API and how to doc it | 20:12 |
| stevebake | annegentle_: will our artifacts still end up on docs.openstack.org? | 20:12 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: ideally integrated in with the other docs - install, admin, API are major categories there | 20:13 |
| zaneb | annegentle_: there is a markdown doc in the repo with an outline of the API | 20:13 |
| stevebake | its fairly vanilla REST, it shoudn't be too hard to document | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | annegentle_: it's missing examples at the moment | 20:13 |
| asalkeld | #action stevebake make a docs bug to convert wiki into openstack consumable docs strings | 20:13 |
| annegentle_ | stevebake: one consideration - we use WADL to generate http://api.openstack.org/api_reference.html | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | Not Found | 20:14 |
| annegentle_ | that's for a reference listing not for much "narrative" explanation of the API | 20:14 |
| annegentle_ | sorry | 20:14 |
| annegentle_ | #link http://api.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 20:14 |
| * annegentle_ spells things out | 20:15 | |
| annegentle_ | :) | 20:15 |
| stevebake | zaneb: documenting in wadl would be handy | 20:15 |
| zaneb | yeah, shouldn't be too hard to translate | 20:15 |
| annegentle_ | one more thought, the Quantum team is looking into generating WADL from their code | 20:15 |
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| annegentle_ | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/API/WADL | 20:16 |
| annegentle_ | might be interesting to look into as well, good to investigate | 20:16 |
| stevebake | I *really* wish there had been quantum api docs when I needed them ;) | 20:16 |
| annegentle_ | :) | 20:17 |
| asalkeld | anyone have any more docs to discuss? | 20:17 |
| stevebake | i think ours is small enough to hand-document | 20:17 |
| stevebake | thanks anne | 20:18 |
| annegentle_ | you're welcome, glad you're thinking ahead. | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | so any other topics people want to discuss? | 20:18 |
| stevebake | I doubt well get all this done by g-2 | 20:19 |
| zaneb | packaging | 20:19 |
| stevebake | #topic packaging | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packaging (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 20:19 | |
| zaneb | jpeeler: are you working on packaging atm? | 20:19 |
| jpeeler | yeah, actually have a few questions about that | 20:19 |
| stevebake | I've emailed jamespage about ubuntu, maybe they can pull in zigo's work | 20:20 |
| jpeeler | 1) is cfntools packaged the way we want now? https://github.com/heat-api/heat-rpms/pull/6/ | 20:20 |
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| jpeeler | 2) do we want to get this in fedora, https://github.com/heat-api/heat-prebuild | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler, rpm is nice - I think we also just want to be able to fall back to install from github | 20:22 |
| zaneb | (2) is a question for shadower and Sl0w | 20:22 |
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| shadower | do you guys know how much use heat-prebuild actually got? | 20:22 |
| stevebake | Slower: ? | 20:22 |
| shadower | it's a nifty tool but do people care? | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | honestly not sure | 20:23 |
| shadower | yeah | 20:23 |
| zaneb | I was away when you guys started on that, so I don't know much about it, but I've never heard it mentioned by any users | 20:24 |
| shadower | if we're packaging the rest of Heat-related tools (heat-jeos, etc.) it might make sense to add this as well | 20:24 |
| shadower | but I don't think it has a super high priority | 20:24 |
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| asalkeld | there is also action in the image factory/building area | 20:24 |
| shadower | zaneb, it takes a template and builds image per resource that has the packages and files specified in the template preinstalled | 20:25 |
| shadower | zaneb, so you don't run yum install every time you launch a stack | 20:25 |
| zaneb | right | 20:25 |
| zaneb | so is that something you guys are pursuing? | 20:25 |
| zaneb | or not really working on it any more? | 20:25 |
| shardy | we could package all the useful but not essential tools in a heat-utils package? | 20:25 |
| shadower | yeah | 20:25 |
| shadower | +1 | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | sounds good | 20:26 |
| zaneb | just out of interest, why are the cfn tools in the heat-jeos repo? They have to be kept in sync with Heat, not heat-jeos | 20:26 |
| shardy | zaneb: Just historical I think - because heat-jeos picks the individual files up | 20:27 |
| shadower | we didn't want heat-jeos to depend on heat. And obviously it needs to include them | 20:27 |
| shadower | ya | 20:27 |
| stevebake | #topic Image building roadmap | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | so if we made heat-jeos install from rpm then we could move them? | 20:28 |
| shadower | yeah | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | well cfn needs to be seperatly installable | 20:28 |
| shadower | are they on pypi? | 20:28 |
| zaneb | I think it's time that everything moved towards packages | 20:28 |
| shadower | they should be imho | 20:28 |
| zaneb | please no | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | atm cfn is pre-baked | 20:28 |
| zaneb | then we are locked to that version | 20:28 |
| shadower | right | 20:29 |
| shardy | Can we just have a side-repo on fedoraproject.org? | 20:29 |
| shardy | so we can update without a release? | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | shardy: +1 | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | can't we install from github | 20:29 |
| shardy | and the same via a ppa under heat for ubuntu | 20:29 |
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| asalkeld | git clone & setup.py install | 20:30 |
| shadower | +1, but I think that sooner or later we should package them properly -- though now may be too soon | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | super simple | 20:30 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: our install procedure is a mess. we need to get away from installing from github | 20:30 |
| stevebake | So is Image Factory our future for image building? | 20:30 |
| shardy | asalkeld: then you need git in all the guest images | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | well tarball | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | from master | 20:30 |
| shadower | stevebake, it's doable. Is it something we want? | 20:30 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: build an rpm from master and install that | 20:31 |
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| asalkeld | then rpm/deb/... | 20:31 |
| shardy | stevebake: maybe, not much feedback re the video yet, IMO heat-jeos is fine for now | 20:31 |
| zaneb | put the nasty install complexity in the packages, not the getting started guide | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | I'd say put it in the template | 20:32 |
| stevebake | how about we modify heat-jeos to be able to output the prepared tdl file, which could be fed to imagefactory | 20:32 |
| zaneb | then we control how it gets updated + hide it from the user | 20:32 |
| shadower | stevebake, iirc that's true now | 20:32 |
| shadower | the template heat-jeos produces is in fact an Oz template. And image factory uses oz behind the courtains, too | 20:32 |
| shardy | stevebake: we can just use the tdls directly no? | 20:33 |
| stevebake | yep, but it always invokes oz, there needs to be an option to just output the tdl which has the cfn files inserted into it | 20:33 |
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| shadower | btw, the cfn files could be referenced via a URL as well. Which would could solve the distribution | 20:34 |
| stevebake | or we need a generic tool which merges files into a tdl and returns an oz/imgfac ready tdl file | 20:34 |
| stevebake | which might meet lifeless OoO needs too | 20:35 |
| zaneb | if tdl installs from packages then we don't need heat-jeos to modify it | 20:35 |
| zaneb | it only exists to hack the cfn-tools files into the tdl | 20:35 |
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| stevebake | true that | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | well you can install cfn-init from the userdata | 20:37 |
| zaneb | +100 to that | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | aws updates it from the userdata | 20:37 |
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| asalkeld | so we only really need cloud-init | 20:38 |
| zaneb | you mean I'll never have to build a new JEOS again? fantastic! | 20:38 |
| * zaneb hates that part | 20:39 | |
| asalkeld | yea | 20:39 |
| stevebake | could someone spell out the action steps to get to this nirvana? | 20:39 |
| shadower | package cfn-tools, update heat templates? | 20:39 |
| zaneb | 1) move cfn-init tools to heat repo | 20:39 |
| zaneb | 2) install cfn tools using user data | 20:39 |
| zaneb | 3) profit | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, well maybe seperate repo? | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | heat-cfn-tools | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | or similar | 20:40 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: why? the tools and the engine change in unison | 20:40 |
| zaneb | and if the engine is going to install them, they need to be locally available | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | they shouldn't | 20:40 |
| zaneb | and the correct version | 20:40 |
| zaneb | to match the engine | 20:40 |
| stevebake | so why install via userdata instead of packages? | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | it's like the client repos | 20:41 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: at some point they should stop changing, I agree | 20:41 |
| zaneb | but I don't think we're there | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | yea but install latest | 20:41 |
| asalkeld | from a nice clean little repo | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | with very little deps | 20:42 |
| zaneb | client repos I can sort-of understand, because they have to be installed separately, uploaded to pypi &c. | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | like cfn-tools | 20:42 |
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| asalkeld | no different | 20:42 |
| * stevebake votes for separate repo | 20:42 | |
| zaneb | if we have separate repo for cfn-tools then be have to maintain upwards/backward comaptibility | 20:43 |
| zaneb | same repo -> version always matches engine | 20:43 |
| zaneb | what's not to like? ;) | 20:43 |
| shardy | why not release the cfntools as part of the release, then have a side repo which is "latest" | 20:44 |
| zaneb | it's the one upgrade thing we can actually get for free | 20:44 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, lets take that offline | 20:44 |
| zaneb | shardy: why would anyone want to install/package them separately though? | 20:44 |
| zaneb | that's the part I don't get | 20:45 |
| zaneb | yeah, mailing list question I guess | 20:45 |
| stevebake | to bake it into an image? | 20:45 |
| zaneb | stevebake: why do that when the engine can install it for you? | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | because you don't want to install heat on the instance | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | you want to make it easy to install on the vm | 20:45 |
| zaneb | maybe I'm misunderstanding this userdata part | 20:46 |
| asalkeld | whether it be pypi / rpm / tarball | 20:46 |
| shardy | Yeah, and you need an easy way to update it for existing instances after deployment | 20:46 |
| zaneb | the proposal is for heat-engine to install it at instance creation through the metadata server and cloud-init, no? | 20:46 |
| shardy | Yeah, and you need an easy way to update it for existing instances after deployment | 20:46 |
| lifeless | stevebake: oh hai? :) | 20:47 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, we don't have to decide this now | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | the end goal is good | 20:48 |
| zaneb | yep, let's move on | 20:48 |
| zaneb | sorry ;) | 20:48 |
| asalkeld | just the steps | 20:48 |
| stevebake | lifeless: so we're just talking about heat's image creation needs, oz vs image factory | 20:48 |
| zaneb | stevebake: are those different things? | 20:48 |
| stevebake | no, different interface ;) | 20:48 |
| zaneb | ;) | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | any more topics? | 20:49 |
| stevebake | so were there any actions to extract from that discussion? | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | 9mins left | 20:50 |
| shardy | well you could have an imagefactory builder plugin which didn't use oz, but that's OT ;) | 20:50 |
| shadower | image factory does more than oz -- uploads to various cloud providers. Oz just builds the images | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | email discussion on where to keep cfn-tools | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | #action start an email discussion on where to keep cfn-tools for easy install | 20:51 |
| asalkeld | well if no more topics I am going to end meeting | 20:52 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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