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| Ravikumar_hp | Do we have a meeting ? | 17:01 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | I know Jay is in offsite | 17:02 |
| vandana | daryl walleck will be joining shortly | 17:02 |
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| dwalleck | Hey everyone :) | 17:03 |
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| rohitk | hello! | 17:06 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Hi | 17:07 |
| rohitk | jaypipes: has the meeting started? | 17:07 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Jaypipes is in offsite | 17:08 |
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| dwalleck | Haven't heard a peep from him yet | 17:08 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: oh, ok do we have an agenda? | 17:08 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we can discuss tempest | 17:09 |
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| dwalleck | I'd also like to discuss the test cases that are being entered in Launchpad. I think I must've missed a discussion on that, so I want to make sure I'm up to date so my team can enter issues correctly | 17:10 |
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| rohitk | dwalleck: I would refactor my last merge, i thought of a corner case where the a user would forget putting one of the 'optional' parrma | 17:10 |
| rohitk | s | 17:11 |
| rohitk | *params | 17:11 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck - We are adding boundary/ negative tests to the framework | 17:11 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | bugs are logged in launchpad as tasks and assigned so as to avoid duplicates | 17:11 |
| dwalleck | But the tagging and entering of test cases that were already developed is something new to me | 17:11 |
| dwalleck | I'm just seeing some tests cases which I believe are either done, or are somewhat unclear as to what they are testing | 17:12 |
| Ravikumar_hp | yes . We may have to document . as Robit suggested , we use tags so as get the counts | 17:12 |
| dwalleck | But when did we have the discussion about tagging? | 17:12 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: tags are used in the filters, but the description and summary could be made more accurate | 17:13 |
| dwalleck | I just want to make sure my team is up to date | 17:13 |
| dwalleck | I didn't know anything until my email box filled up on Friday :) | 17:13 |
| rohitk | if "more tests" need to be added to, say rebuild server, then the summary could say that "Add tests to existing rebuild suite" | 17:13 |
| Ravikumar_hp | Yes. I thought about it . so that every one use same tags | 17:14 |
| Ravikumar_hp | we just started tags to see how far it is useful , and also using Testcase: in description | 17:14 |
| dwalleck | rohtik: But what test are you adding? It could just be me, but I was thinking in terms of concrete test cases, such as "Add a rebuild test that includes using an admin password", or things along that line | 17:15 |
| Ravikumar_hp | @rohitk : agree | 17:15 |
| dwalleck | Just "add tests" doesn't tell me much, and will certainly lead to duplication of effort at some point | 17:15 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: Most of the new tests are negative tests, | 17:15 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: Yes, so I guess the description of the bug needs to specify that | 17:16 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: all details of test cases are provided in LP bug | 17:16 |
| dwalleck | thanks, that would really help with understanding the scope of the work | 17:16 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: sure | 17:16 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp: We could drill down on specific test scenarios and use that in the bug report, make them more specific | 17:16 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: yes. that makes sense | 17:17 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: we started writing tests , and will update assignee | 17:18 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: The tags were added with the intention of future work to be tracked in launchpad as bugs | 17:18 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: yes . tags help in count . | 17:19 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: right now tests are added in tests folder. we should have sub folder like compute , storage,keystone to group tests | 17:20 |
| dwalleck | and that's fine, it makes sense. It just seemed to have started suddenly, so I didn't know if there was a conversation I missed, or if groups on their own started adding tags | 17:20 |
| rohitk | Ravikumar_hp, nati2: Could you send out an email on the qa ML with this info, the wider community should know about it | 17:21 |
| nati2 | Hi | 17:22 |
| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: ML and also need to add in qa wiki page | 17:22 |
| nati2 | Sorry I'm late | 17:22 |
| rohitk | Hi nati | 17:23 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | nati2: we discusses tags used in bugs in LP and we need to notify Mailing list | 17:24 |
| nati2 | Ravikumar_hp: Ah yes absolutly | 17:24 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: I also wanted to discuss the attributes that we've added to certain tests | 17:24 |
| Ravikumar_hp | nati2: can you send email to distribution list | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | Sure | 17:25 |
| rohitk | have we classified a list of possible attrs? | 17:25 |
| nati2 | Ravikumar_hp: sure | 17:25 |
| rohitk | currently i see smoke/positive/negative | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | Right now we're using a type field, which is smoke/positive/negative | 17:25 |
| dwalleck | In the commit I'm working on, I'm adding a category field by request of westmaas. That will say what API request that test is testing, such as category=create-server | 17:26 |
| dwalleck | So that if someone wanted to run only the create server, list server, or something very targeted, they have that ability | 17:26 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: that would allow fine grained grouping i believe | 17:26 |
| dwalleck | It was also mentioned that it might be good for tracking purposes | 17:26 |
| Ravikumar_hp | #action: Nachi to send information about tags for bugs logged in launchpad for tempest to distribution list . | 17:27 |
| rohitk | sounds good | 17:27 |
| dwalleck | But for now, those are the only attributes we've come up with. Always glad for suggestions though :) | 17:27 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: How about to use resource api path for category? | 17:27 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: /v1.1/{tenant_id}/servers_POST like this | 17:28 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: We need constant way for new API | 17:28 |
| dwalleck | nati2: Hmm...but what about cases like /server/server_id/actions, which has many differing types of functionality at that path? | 17:28 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: /server/server_id/actions#ACTION=reboot ? | 17:29 |
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| vandana | nati2: but wouldn't it be easier to just give 'reboot' as a category? | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | nati2: true, but that's a lot to type out. What you're suggesting is more precise, but a bit verbose | 17:30 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: ok let's use simple one | 17:30 |
| dwalleck | It's something we can easily change in the future. But I think having that attribute period will give us a lot of flexibility | 17:31 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: sure. | 17:31 |
| rohitk | dwalleck++ | 17:32 |
| nati2 | dwalleck++ | 17:32 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck++ | 17:32 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: Is that attribute not enabled yet right? Like running only smoke .. | 17:32 |
| dwalleck | Is there any other ways we may want to tag our tests to add more flexibility? | 17:32 |
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| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: that should work now. It's a part of nose. You should be able to do "nosetests -sv tempest -a type=smoke" | 17:33 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: Thanks | 17:33 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: there are difference of supported API between hypervisors | 17:33 |
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| nati2 | XEN support AAA, but KVM didin't | 17:33 |
| nati2 | something like this | 17:34 |
| nati2 | how about @XEN @KVM | 17:34 |
| nati2 | ? | 17:34 |
| nati2 | Or there are also difference between Network managers | 17:34 |
| dwalleck | nati2: Good point. I know we're controlling some of the hypervision specific functionality with feature flags in the config, but we certainly could also do it from attributes | 17:34 |
| nati2 | @flat_manager @quantum_manager etc | 17:35 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: OK let's add hypervisor tag and network manager tag | 17:35 |
| dwalleck | But right now nose is greedy, so it will take anything you specify | 17:36 |
| rohitk | nati2++ | 17:36 |
| nati2 | hopefully, I wanna know coverage of API and params | 17:36 |
| nati2 | tag function could be used? | 17:36 |
| dwalleck | So how would you want that to work? Say if I pass hypr=XEN, I'm trying to think how it will handle it | 17:37 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: it will run API which could be used with XEN | 17:37 |
| vandana | nati2: would it be a problem when we have a new hypervisor to update all the tests with this new hyppervisor tag? | 17:37 |
| rohitk | we can add multiple categories to a test right? | 17:37 |
| dwalleck | Because if I do that, then I have to tag every single common functionality test with XEN also | 17:37 |
| dwalleck | Or else they won't be run | 17:37 |
| nati2 | vandana: It right. not_impremeted_kvm or like this? | 17:38 |
| nati2 | or | 17:38 |
| nati2 | add @common tag | 17:38 |
| nati2 | and run common and XEN | 17:38 |
| nati2 | only put @XEN for xen specific API | 17:39 |
| dwalleck | So the effect we want is that given some input of your hypervisor, tempest should only run the tests that will work with your hypervisor. Correct? | 17:39 |
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| nati2 | dwalleck: Yes | 17:39 |
| vchethan | @nati2: the problem with this aproach is to make sure the new hypervisor has all the @common features... if not then we need to revisit all the tests with @common tag | 17:40 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: yes. | 17:40 |
| nati2 | vchethan: Ah yes | 17:40 |
| dwalleck | vchethan: Good point | 17:40 |
| rohitk | but there would'nt be 'actual checks to see if compute is running on that hypervisor, the tests would fail if it isnt so | 17:40 |
| nati2 | But I think new hypervisor should say | 17:40 |
| nati2 | I support this API and Tests | 17:40 |
| vchethan | I had faced a similar problem in my previous projects | 17:40 |
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| vchethan | where there were too many tags coming up on every test | 17:41 |
| nati2 | vchethan: Ahhh | 17:41 |
| vchethan | to solve this we actually wrote our own testrunner | 17:41 |
| dwalleck | I'm trying to think of a clever solution for this. The feature flags we have now do help some | 17:41 |
| nati2 | How about create test list functions? | 17:41 |
| dwalleck | Has an analysis been done for what features do and do not work between hypervisors? | 17:42 |
| vchethan | where we only mention the api we are testing as tags | 17:42 |
| nati2 | specify test list fron external ocnfigs | 17:42 |
| nati2 | configs | 17:42 |
| vchethan | have a separate mapping file which will say which api's are availabe in a particular hypervisor | 17:42 |
| dwalleck | vchethan: That's an interesting solution | 17:43 |
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| vchethan | the test runner would be intelligent enough to pick up the tests based on the hypervisor passed as a config value | 17:43 |
| nati2 | vchethan++ | 17:43 |
| dwalleck | I like the idea that the framework itself understands what tests it should run | 17:43 |
| rohitk | and raise NotSupported exceptions if a test tries to run on the wrong hypervisor | 17:43 |
| vandana | vchethan:++. This will remove the tedious task of tagging tests and maintaining the tags | 17:43 |
| vchethan | this requires some work on the test runner side but makes maintainance of tags very smooth | 17:43 |
| nati2 | When we add new hypervisor, we can copy paste exisiting one | 17:44 |
| nati2 | I like this idea | 17:44 |
| dwalleck | I agree | 17:44 |
| dwalleck | So maybe we should make a blueprint for how to implement this? | 17:44 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: yes | 17:44 |
| vchethan | dwalleck :yes | 17:44 |
| nati2 | Who can implement this? | 17:45 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: yes. | 17:45 |
| dwalleck | I can verify, but I think we can | 17:45 |
| dwalleck | (we being chethan and vandana and I) | 17:45 |
| nati2 | dwalleck++ chaethan++ vandana++ | 17:45 |
| dwalleck | We're already looking at extending nose some. Since Chethan has done this before, he might have some good insight | 17:46 |
| Ravikumar_hp | not only hypervisor . we also need to identify any thing else ... | 17:46 |
| nati2 | awesome! | 17:46 |
| vandana | yeah chethan seems to have worked extensively on this | 17:46 |
| nati2 | If we could have mapping function | 17:46 |
| vchethan | @ravi++ | 17:46 |
| Ravikumar_hp | like network based .. Flat or vlan .. if tests are depended on that | 17:46 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: Definitely | 17:46 |
| nati2 | We can specify test list for the specific configs | 17:46 |
| nati2 | Flat + KVM + Ubuntu (something like this) | 17:47 |
| dwalleck | nati2++ | 17:47 |
| Ravikumar_hp | nati2++ | 17:47 |
| dwalleck | That seems like a good approach | 17:47 |
| nati2 | yap :) | 17:48 |
| nati2 | And also the config is very important for users | 17:48 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: i have question about tests folder | 17:48 |
| nati2 | User can know which feature's are supported for specific configs | 17:48 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: Sure, what's your question? | 17:48 |
| donaldngo_hp | i like the idea of having the configs drive the suites | 17:49 |
| Ravikumar_hp | grouping of tests in sub folder .like tests/compute , test/storage | 17:49 |
| Ravikumar_hp | right now nova tests are in tempest/tests folder | 17:49 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: Yes, good point. I think we should definitely split them up | 17:50 |
| rohitk | that may come eventually, since right now there are very limited tests | 17:50 |
| dwalleck | So that there is a clear functional distinction | 17:50 |
| Ravikumar_hp | as we add Swift and keystone tests , we need to distinguish | 17:51 |
| dwalleck | I know our Keystone team is working on getting involved as well as our Swift team, so it would help for clarity | 17:51 |
| Ravikumar_hp | is swift team is working on porting kong tests to tempest? | 17:52 |
| dwalleck | And we can still logically group tests with attributes too, regardless of directory structure | 17:52 |
| rohitk | dwalleck: Keystone has a huge number of functional tests, can we think of bringing them into tempest? | 17:52 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: They have a series of test they've been using internally. They're working on porting it to tempest | 17:53 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: I want to know if they need any help ? | 17:53 |
| dwalleck | I'm not sure who submitted the swift tests for kong. But whatever functionality is tested there should be carried over for certain | 17:53 |
| dwalleck | rohitk: Definately | 17:53 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: Any help is always good :) | 17:54 |
| dwalleck | It may be a good start to just port over the kong swift tests | 17:54 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: Who works on swift ? is it Rick ? | 17:54 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp: Yeah, for now I think he's the best point of contact for that test team | 17:55 |
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| rohitk | dwalleck: Since you brought up kong, we should be deprecating/removing that folder, there's no dev on that so there's really no need for it to exist | 17:55 |
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| Ravikumar_hp | rohitk: yes. after we migrate Swift tests | 17:56 |
| dwalleck | rohitk: Yes, we should. I'd like to do a brief gap analysis to make sure that there are tempest tests that cover everything kong does. Then we can remove it | 17:56 |
| dwalleck | Ravikumar_hp++ | 17:56 |
| nati2 | OK is there any other topics? | 17:57 |
| dwalleck | I was also considering adding a series of tests for horizon, but I'll finish what's on my plate first | 17:58 |
| dwalleck | No, I think I'm done. Just lots of work to do :) | 17:58 |
| AntoniHP | has thing about structuring tests being decided? like creating fixtures per class or per test method? | 17:58 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: absolutly! | 17:59 |
| nati2 | AntoniHP: not yet | 17:59 |
| dwalleck | AntoniHP: No, I don't think we've had that discussion yet. I think jaypipes was going to send something out, but I think he's swamped | 17:59 |
| Ravikumar_hp | AntoniHP: i think jay to send sample code and write up for us to ote | 17:59 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: yes | 17:59 |
| AntoniHP | ok, that means I'm reading right discussion list | 17:59 |
| dwalleck | So maybe we can each code up some examples and have a discussion from the mailing list? | 17:59 |
| dwalleck | Then we can hopefully have enough information to discuss the topic better next time | 18:00 |
| nati2 | dwalleck: That's good way | 18:00 |
| AntoniHP | I can try to look at it and send something this week | 18:00 |
| Ravikumar_hp | AntoniHP: that will help | 18:00 |
| dwalleck | sounds good. I think we can find a way that will make everyone happy, just needs some talk | 18:01 |
| nati2 | AntoniHP++ | 18:02 |
| dwalleck | Okay, off to my next meeting then. I just realized this wasn't recorded, so I'll save this chat log and send it out to the list | 18:02 |
| Ravikumar_hp | dwalleck: ok | 18:02 |
| dwalleck | Thanks everyone! | 18:02 |
| Ravikumar_hp | bye | 18:02 |
| AntoniHP | bye | 18:02 |
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