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| dims_ | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 12:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 12:00 |
| dims_ | hey ttx | 12:00 |
| promethe1nfire | hi | 12:01 |
| tonyb | o/ | 12:01 |
| coolsvap | o? | 12:01 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:01 |
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| dirk | Hey | 12:02 |
| promethe1nfire | tonyb: what time is it for you? | 12:02 |
| amrith | ./ | 12:02 |
| dims_ | tonyb : i don't see you on our new channel. #openstack-requirements | 12:02 |
| amrith | sorry, am a bit late | 12:02 |
| tonyb | 2200ish | 12:02 |
| tonyb | dims_: I did not | 12:02 |
| * tonyb adds it to his IRC config | 12:02 | |
| ttx | ohhh new channel. shiny | 12:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 12:02 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 12:03 |
| dims_ | welcome everyone to the new team! | 12:03 |
| dims_ | #topic : is this day/time ok for you? | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": is this day/time ok for you? (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:03 | |
| dims_ | i know we lost lifeless as it's midnight | 12:04 |
| dims_ | tonyb : would you like us to move one hour earlier? | 12:04 |
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| promethe1nfire | it's 7AM here | 12:04 |
| ttx | day/time perfect for me | 12:04 |
| tonyb | dims_: that would be nice but only if it isn't terrible for the people just starting for the day | 12:04 |
| dims_ | tonyb : ok, will keep that in mind | 12:05 |
| dims_ | promethe1nfire : ack. | 12:05 |
| ttx | I think one hour earlier would make it difficult for promethe1nfire, and one hour later difficult for tonyb | 12:05 |
| dims_ | ttx : right, let's leave it at this time | 12:05 |
| promethe1nfire | I think we have a people from each region | 12:05 |
| tonyb | yeah | 12:05 |
| promethe1nfire | ya | 12:05 |
| mugsie | dims_: got a ping to join here? | 12:05 |
| tonyb | I think leave it as it is while we bootstrap and then reevaluate in a couple of months | 12:06 |
| dims_ | #topic reviews with immediate attention | 12:06 |
| GheRivero | It's ok to me.. but not today. I'm out of the office now, but can do almost any hour. I'm a night person | 12:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews with immediate attention (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:06 | |
| dims_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:%255E.*requirements.*+branch:master,n,z | 12:06 |
| dims_ | GheRivero : ack | 12:06 |
| dims_ | tonyb : ack | 12:06 |
| dims_ | mugsie : not sure if you were interested in the team meeting. hence the ping | 12:06 |
| promethe1nfire | if it was 6 hours earlier that'd be fine | 12:06 |
| dims_ | Looks like we made excellent progress the last few days | 12:07 |
| promethe1nfire | I'm also a night person | 12:07 |
| dims_ | with reviews | 12:07 |
| dirk | yeah | 12:07 |
| dirk | we're down to less than one page | 12:07 |
| dirk | awesome! | 12:07 |
| dims_ | the only hiccup we had was with python-kafka. we had to revert for monasca | 12:07 |
| dims_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316259/ | 12:07 |
| dims_ | Though they are not subject to requirements process | 12:08 |
| GheRivero | Is there a gerrit topic for priority reviews? | 12:08 |
| dims_ | their jobs seemed to use the versions in g-r/u-c | 12:08 |
| dims_ | GheRivero : no, we don't have one yet | 12:08 |
| dims_ | any questions on the kafka revert? | 12:09 |
| * dims_ lets folks look at the comments in review | 12:09 | |
| dirk | dims_: is there a general guideline for that? I mean the revert broke some other project right? | 12:10 |
| dims_ | dirk : ideally we would say no to revert. since oslo.messaging had not yet started using code depending on the new version, it was technically feasible to revert back | 12:11 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : I don't think the test system differentiates between projects following requirements and not when it forces the use of the constraints file | 12:12 |
| dhellmann | is someone working on fixing monasca? | 12:12 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann : Joe Keen and Roland Hochmuth (not sure what their IRC nicks are) | 12:13 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: I think they're waiting for anumber of kafka issues to be closed before they do that work. | 12:13 |
| * sigmavirus24 apologizes for being late | 12:13 | |
| dims_ | hey sigmavirus24 | 12:13 |
| dhellmann | dims_, tonyb : ok, as long as it's not being ignored | 12:13 |
| promethe1nfire | sigmavirus24: you up early too :P | 12:14 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: yup | 12:14 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : when oslo.messaging folks are ready with newer kafka, monasca should not have a say, unless they are subject to the g-r process by then | 12:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | promethe1nfire: that I am | 12:14 |
| dims_ | So this monasca not being in g-r but wanting revert promoted me to post this email | 12:14 |
| dims_ | #link http://markmail.org/message/kb6jlhiuhmxea454 | 12:14 |
| * dims_ lets folks click on the link | 12:15 | |
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| * tonyb had flagged that for reading tomorrow;P | 12:16 | |
| dhellmann | in principle I agree, but if the way we run tests forces folks to use the updates even when they aren't syncing then we need to be aware of that | 12:16 |
| * dirk clicked it | 12:16 | |
| * coolsvap saw that just before the meeting | 12:16 | |
| dhellmann | because it doesn't sound like syncing requirements would have helped monasca here? | 12:16 |
| promethe1nfire | that looks like what's been discussed | 12:16 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : it would have given them a heads up when the g-r change merged | 12:17 |
| dims_ | as the bot proposes a review in their project | 12:17 |
| dims_ | coolsvap : y, giving background on what prompted that email | 12:17 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : that's true. it still would have broken their jobs, but at least there would have been some sort of notice of what changed | 12:17 |
| dims_ | right, and they would have the right to ask for a immediate revert | 12:18 |
| dhellmann | sure | 12:18 |
| coolsvap | dims_, ack | 12:18 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to get them off of the fence, and either start participating in g-r or stop using the constraints in their jobs (if that's even possible) | 12:18 |
| dims_ | yep, in general we need to push people more to understand requirements process better. another example - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313835/ | 12:19 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: it isnt possible in a dsvm job | 12:19 |
| dims_ | Steven Hardy was asking about instack-* | 12:19 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : that's what I was afraid of | 12:19 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: we made it mandatory at some point | 12:19 |
| dims_ | needing some packages that we were trying to remove | 12:19 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : it's really the only way to ensure it's going to work | 12:20 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: Yeah. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time | 12:21 |
| dims_ | #topic - sniff test matrix | 12:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- sniff test matrix (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:21 | |
| dims_ | we have a bunch of jobs in the requirements reviews themselves | 12:22 |
| dirk | dims_: I'm not sure I understand teh concerns in that review so far | 12:22 |
| dims_ | dirk : instack-* is welcome to maintain any package versions they want they should not dictate what's in g-r | 12:22 |
| dims_ | and i maintain a set of sniff tests - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:dims/test/constraints | 12:23 |
| dims_ | dirk and i have been diligently checking failures in these tests before letting in the nightly proposed updates to u-c | 12:23 |
| dirk | dims_: right.. lets talk about that some other time | 12:23 |
| dims_ | does anyone want another project added to my sniff test? | 12:24 |
| dirk | sounds like monasca wants to be on that list :) | 12:24 |
| dims_ | dirk : LOL, if they get into g-r/u-c/projects.txt then yes :) | 12:24 |
| tonyb | dims_: keystone, glance, swift | 12:25 |
| mugsie | dims_: designate, if possible? | 12:25 |
| tonyb | dims_: with what you have and those you'll be covering >55% of all the items in g-r | 12:25 |
| dims_ | mugsie tonyb : if you can add the reviews like the ones i have then that would be great - they key is the topic "dims/test/constraints" as i have a cron job that maintains these reviews once they are created - https://gist.github.com/dims/094ac0e8d8bd8c4a096b6b391157aef5 | 12:26 |
| dims_ | tonyb : right | 12:26 |
| dims_ | #topic - release process updates that affect requirements | 12:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- release process updates that affect requirements (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:27 | |
| dims_ | dhellmann : any thoughts/plans here? | 12:27 |
| * tonyb will review the gist and then add the required jobs ;P | 12:27 | |
| dirk | dims_: painful projects are probably sahara, ceilometer, magnum | 12:27 |
| dims_ | #action tonybwill review the gist and then add the required jobs | 12:27 |
| dirk | they integrate a lot of dependencies and from my experience break often due to inter-project dependency issues | 12:27 |
| dims_ | dirk : i tend to add one when i break them once :) | 12:27 |
| tonyb | A releated topic is runing $projects unit tests in u-c changes | 12:28 |
| dirk | it seems ceilometer got broken so often that they opted out already ;) | 12:28 |
| dims_ | dirk : i don't want to get started on telemetry team :) | 12:28 |
| tonyb | IIRC there was some interest in that at the summit and the issue was "which" tests. | 12:28 |
| dirk | dims_: ;) | 12:28 |
| dirk | tonyb: good point.. | 12:29 |
| dims_ | tonyb : can you please add TODO(s) in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks ? | 12:29 |
| tonyb | (that's how I know the project set that covers 55% of g-r) | 12:29 |
| promethe1nfire | tonyb: ya, I thought it was a good idea, should we just pick some and see what still breaks? | 12:29 |
| tonyb | better coverage is hard to get as we have lots of leaf items :( | 12:29 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : we've merged the patch to automatically submit constraint updates when needed. I just submitted another to give all of those reviews a consistent topic of "new-release" | 12:30 |
| dims_ | tonyb : my sniff wip reviews run the unit tests too | 12:30 |
| tonyb | promethe1nfire: Well we need to do some infra work first which will be mildly cumbersome | 12:30 |
| promethe1nfire | ah, ya | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : those are the only release changes I can think of, unless you had something else in mind? | 12:30 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : nice thanks! | 12:30 |
| tonyb | dims_: Sure this was aimed at offical gateing | 12:30 |
| dims_ | tonyb : ack | 12:31 |
| dims_ | who wants to help tonyb ? :) | 12:31 |
| tonyb | dims_: we need to decide if it's a good idea ;P | 12:31 |
| tonyb | dims_: Sean was against it at the time | 12:31 |
| dims_ | tonyb : we don't want to add *all* projects, we need a good representation or we would never land anything | 12:32 |
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| dims_ | guessing that was sdague 's concern as well? | 12:32 |
| promethe1nfire | projects that have good coverage would be nice, or ones that use more esoteric things | 12:32 |
| tonyb | dims_: sure. We'd need to have a *very* good reasin for adding projects to the list if it was gateing | 12:32 |
| tonyb | dims_: Yeah I think that was the crux of it. | 12:33 |
| dims_ | ok switching topics | 12:33 |
| dims_ | #topic TODO(s) from our backlog - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TODO(s) from our backlog - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:33 | |
| dhellmann | we should probably leave out projets that use the more obscure requirements, since they're likely to be the teams proposing changes in the first place | 12:33 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : ++ | 12:34 |
| dims_ | anyone interested in picking up something to work on? | 12:34 |
| tonyb | dims_: It seems a few poeple are working on the cruft problem | 12:34 |
| dims_ | tonyb : right, almost done i think | 12:35 |
| promethe1nfire | dhellmann: right, I was speaking of more esoteric usage, not the requirements themselves | 12:35 |
| dims_ | under "proactive tasks" we unblocked the keystone team to experiement with packages that work under python3 for LDAP | 12:35 |
| tonyb | dims_: probably :) | 12:35 |
| promethe1nfire | dims_: for both libraries :| | 12:36 |
| dims_ | promethe1nfire : you mean they have 2 sets of possible things to use? | 12:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | So other than those dim/test/constraints reviews, how can we improve test coverage? | 12:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Is that the only axis we're measuring test coverage on? | 12:37 |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24 : the oslo team has a set of periodic jobs to test several projects with oslo.* from master repos | 12:37 |
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| dims_ | sigmavirus24 : that's about it | 12:38 |
| dirk | dims_: how ot find those jobs? | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | dims_: keystone has pyldap and python-ldap both supporting python3 | 12:38 |
| dims_ | dirk : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dims-periodic-jobs | 12:38 |
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| dirk | dims_: great! | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | they added pyldap a couple of days ago and just requested a bump of python-ldap yesterday | 12:39 |
| dims_ | prometheanfire : by m1/m2, we should make sure they use one set | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | ya, it needs to be tracked | 12:39 |
| dims_ | they are still experimenting i think | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | I can bug stanek and dolphm | 12:39 |
| dims_ | stevemar : bknudson : dolphm : ^^ | 12:39 |
| dims_ | :) | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 12:39 |
| dims_ | prometheanfire : agree | 12:39 |
| dims_ | #topic - daily reviews | 12:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- daily reviews (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:40 | |
| dims_ | around this time every day, starting about 7 AM my time (we started the meeting at 8 AM my time), me and dirk and others have been trading comments on reviews as well as on IRC | 12:40 |
| dims_ | is anyone else available to join us? | 12:41 |
| dims_ | this way, we push a bunch of things out, then see if anything fails by end of day, then start again next day with a fresh slate | 12:41 |
| coolsvap | +1 although its almost eod for me, but i can join for couple of hours | 12:41 |
| dims_ | coolsvap : nice! | 12:41 |
| dirk | I actually put it on my morning routine (which is like 4-5 hours before dims_ ;) ) | 12:41 |
| prometheanfire | I'd be available to do that at 10 or 11 your time | 12:41 |
| tonyb | dims_: I can check in at the start of my day which would be toward the end of yours but no overlap with the others | 12:42 |
| dims_ | tonyb : ack. i am usually still around when you begin your day :) | 12:42 |
| dirk | dims_: one of the action items is to publish the information that people should come and ping in openstack-requirements channel for issues.. | 12:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | dims_: It's 7am for me, but I can join later | 12:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | I can try to review from 12 gmt+3 | 12:42 |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24 : awesome | 12:42 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: +1 | 12:42 |
| dims_ | IgorYozhikov : ack. cool | 12:42 |
| dims_ | dirk : action to send an email to the ML tomorrow about the channel? | 12:43 |
| tonyb | I can add the channel to IRC wiki page, dims do you want to email the list? | 12:43 |
| dirk | I can take that action | 12:43 |
| dirk | but I think a more permant place is better | 12:43 |
| dims_ | dirk : thanks! | 12:43 |
| dirk | I just don't know where.. somewhere on elastic check pages or so? | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | radme? | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | readme | 12:43 |
| dirk | "we noticed that g-r broke your fancy project. please come to irc and tell us about it" | 12:44 |
| dims_ | dirk : +1 | 12:44 |
| dirk | does anyone have a good place to put that information? | 12:44 |
| prometheanfire | ah, right | 12:44 |
| dirk | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Requirements might be a good candidate for refreshment | 12:45 |
| dims_ | #topic - adding folks to team roster | 12:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "- adding folks to team roster (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:45 | |
| dims_ | ttx, dhellmann - thoughts here? | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb wanted to be ptl, was practicaly begging for it | 12:46 |
| dims_ | since we officially started today, probably check back in a month on reviews, engagement and figure out who we can add? | 12:46 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : that's how I remember it, too | 12:46 |
| dims_ | all hail tonyb :) | 12:46 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: uuuuummmm that's not how I remember it | 12:46 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : yeah, let's run as a team for a few weeks and see how it goes | 12:46 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : you might not have been in the room at that point ;-) | 12:46 |
| ttx | yes, we should definitely revisit core once we know who is sticking | 12:46 |
| dims_ | :) | 12:46 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: you're welcome, and I'm sorry | 12:46 |
| * dims_ leaves "when" on ttx and dhellmann 's hands | 12:47 | |
| dims_ | #topic open discussion | 12:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:47 | |
| dims_ | So was the info in the etherpad enough? | 12:47 |
| dims_ | do folks have an idea of what we need to do here? :) | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | I want to reiterate my thanks for all of you joining the team. It's good to see this work have some dedicated folks looking at it. | 12:47 |
| dims_ | ++ dhellmann ! | 12:48 |
| prometheanfire | I think so | 12:48 |
| dhellmann | And thank you dims, for taking the lead in organizing the meeting and the todo list and everything else. | 12:48 |
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| tonyb | dhellmann: Thanks for picking a scary title to get us in a room :) | 12:48 |
| dims_ | my pleasure dhellmann | 12:48 |
| prometheanfire | heh, ya | 12:48 |
| dims_ | LOL | 12:48 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : yeah, I'll have to be more careful at future summits or folks won't come to my sessions :-) | 12:49 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: :) | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | you only get to use that once in 2-4 summits | 12:49 |
| dims_ | one another ML thread i'd like to bring to everyone's attention is from IgorYozhikov : http://markmail.org/message/awlpe5huktysxslj | 12:49 |
| tonyb | So if this is a happening thing I'll make a calendar entry (probably in #openstack-meeting) | 12:49 |
| tonyb | sound good? | 12:49 |
| dims_ | tonyb : please go ahead to do the calendar entry | 12:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks tonyb | 12:50 |
| dims_ | tonyb : please add yourself as chair for now | 12:50 |
| * sigmavirus24 snickers | 12:50 | |
| IgorYozhikov | dims_, I believe that we already discussed it or new questions appears? | 12:50 |
| dims_ | IgorYozhikov : want to be sure more folks read that thread | 12:50 |
| * dhellmann has to drop off early | 12:50 | |
| dims_ | thanks dhellmann | 12:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | dims_, i c, thanx | 12:51 |
| * sigmavirus24 was snickering about tonyb being the chair | 12:51 | |
| tonyb | dims_: ;P | 12:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | bye dhellmann | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | sigmavirus24: will you be a stool? | 12:51 |
| dims_ | yew! | 12:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | prometheanfire: as long as I'm the useful kind and not the smelly kind | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | sigmavirus24: dunno, some days you do kinda have an 'air' about you | 12:53 |
| coolsvap | thanks dims for arranging the meeting! | 12:53 |
| dirk | dims_: one action item from that thread imho is to review those cases where requirements and uc diverge significantly if that is still correct | 12:53 |
| dirk | so does anyone want to help revive https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Requirements ? | 12:54 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: you mean if there's a big diff in versions? | 12:54 |
| dirk | it is currently marked as deprecation | 12:54 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: yep | 12:54 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: either that, or just by git commit messages (like e.g. uc got updated in 2016 but lower bounds last time in 2014 or so) | 12:54 |
| prometheanfire | not a problem for me, luckilly | 12:54 |
| coolsvap | dirk, yes we need to update the page | 12:54 |
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| dims_ | so folks feel free to self-organize :) we can go back to our channel | 12:55 |
| dims_ | thanks everyone | 12:55 |
| coolsvap | can we open an etherpad to first to finalize the content | 12:55 |
| prometheanfire | cya | 12:55 |
| coolsvap | thanks dims | 12:55 |
| dims_ | #endmeeting | 12:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 12:55:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-05-18-12.00.html | 12:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-05-18-12.00.txt | 12:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-05-18-12.00.log.html | 12:55 |
| ttx | dims_: are you going to file the irc-meetings request for that ? | 12:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | dirk: so I think lower bounds aren't meant to change based on the MUST READ portions of the etherpad | 12:55 |
| dims_ | ttx : tonyb will do that | 12:56 |
| ttx | ok | 12:56 |
| ttx | thanks for kicking that one | 12:56 |
| prometheanfire | lol | 12:56 |
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| dirk | dims_: tonyb : so next week same day same time? | 12:58 |
| dims_ | dirk : tonyb : yep, sounds good | 12:58 |
| tonyb | dirk: yup but different channel | 12:58 |
| tonyb | ttx, https://review.openstack.org/318043 | 13:00 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, sorry for -1 | 13:01 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: why? | 13:01 |
| coolsvap | agenda_url: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 13:01 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: Gah! now you know which file I copied ;P | 13:02 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: fixed | 13:02 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: thanks | 13:02 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, :) | 13:02 |
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