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abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 16 14:00:44 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
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rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
abhishekk | it's 3 musketeers | 14:02 |
rosmaita | :D | 14:02 |
jokke_ | :) | 14:02 |
abhishekk | lets start | 14:03 |
abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:03 |
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abhishekk | We still have oslo job failure | 14:04 |
abhishekk | I have added workaround on the patch | 14:04 |
abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/701580/ | 14:05 |
jokke_ | That' the one I think that we have patch up from Stephen as well | 14:05 |
jokke_ | but the Stephen's patch were just removing registration of some options | 14:05 |
abhishekk | I am not able to find out root cause yet though, but added workaround and my understanding on the patch | 14:06 |
rosmaita | thanks for working on that | 14:06 |
abhishekk | jokke_, yes, I have added my suggestion there | 14:06 |
jokke_ | yeah cool | 14:06 |
abhishekk | If we are good with that, then I can go ahead and update the patch with proper commit message | 14:07 |
jokke_ | will need to look into it | 14:07 |
abhishekk | ack | 14:07 |
abhishekk | Ussuri milestone 2 - 5 weeks to go | 14:08 |
rosmaita | that really is weird, your guess does seem to make sense, though | 14:08 |
abhishekk | rosmaita, yes | 14:08 |
abhishekk | we need +2 from smcginnis on multiple import and copying specs to get those merged | 14:08 |
abhishekk | if he is around kindly ping him | 14:09 |
abhishekk | Need to release from stable train and stein branches | 14:09 |
abhishekk | I will propose release patches tomorrow my time | 14:09 |
jokke_ | yeah, I think we should have everything merged in stable branches, right? | 14:10 |
abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 14:10 |
abhishekk | Only question I have here is do we need to propose separate release notes to stable branches? | 14:10 |
jokke_ | abhishekk: I can do it today or we can push it to Monday, no Friday releases :P | 14:10 |
jokke_ | abhishekk: I have done that in past if the patches has not contained renos | 14:11 |
abhishekk | jokke_, cool, if possible for you kindly propose the patches :D | 14:11 |
jokke_ | kk | 14:12 |
abhishekk | thank you | 14:12 |
abhishekk | moving ahead | 14:12 |
abhishekk | #topic Multiple store import plugins | 14:12 |
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abhishekk | multiple import specs | 14:12 |
abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/669201 | 14:13 |
abhishekk | Copying existing image specs | 14:13 |
abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/694724/ | 14:13 |
abhishekk | we need smcginnis to review and +2 these specs | 14:13 |
jokke_ | ok | 14:13 |
abhishekk | Both are reviewed by other cores and have +2 from each of us | 14:14 |
abhishekk | yebinama is not around, but he has patch up which is working find | 14:14 |
abhishekk | s/find/sine | 14:14 |
rosmaita | that's good | 14:15 |
abhishekk | Only notification and documentation related changes are remaining now | 14:15 |
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abhishekk | same thing for copying patch, only functional tests and documentation is remaining | 14:15 |
jokke_ | yeah, I'll update my client patches once we have got the specs merged so we have tools to access these as well | 14:15 |
jokke_ | and test them locally | 14:16 |
abhishekk | jokke_, great | 14:16 |
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abhishekk | if you guys get some time, then kindly have a look at those patches and give your initial thoughts | 14:17 |
abhishekk | moving ahead | 14:17 |
abhishekk | #topic Delete image from single store | 14:17 |
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jokke_ | So we have some wording disagreements around comments, response messages and renos | 14:18 |
abhishekk | implementation, https://review.opendev.org/698049 | 14:18 |
rosmaita | i feel pretty strongly about not mentioning 'location' to end users | 14:18 |
rosmaita | we don't recommend that they be exposed | 14:18 |
rosmaita | so we should speak about 'image data' and 'store' | 14:18 |
abhishekk | ok, I didn't get enough time to have a look at the new patch | 14:19 |
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abhishekk | I will go through it tomorrow my time | 14:20 |
rosmaita | we don't have naything else on the agenda ... | 14:20 |
abhishekk | rosmaita, no | 14:21 |
rosmaita | key thing woudl be to look at images.py | 14:21 |
rosmaita | would be good to get this out of the way now (though it is probably pretty late your time) | 14:21 |
abhishekk | Let me have a look | 14:21 |
jokke_ | and I'm fine with that but I do feel quite strongly about consistency and specifically when we are responding of a same condition from multiple places. Thus like I already said, I'd rather keep the messages consistent and have discussion about what we return from our API to user as separate discussion outside of this review. That way we can update the responses where we need and be consistent | 14:21 |
rosmaita | ordinarily i would agree, but this is a new resource (/v2/stores) so we can treat it properly and then bring the rest into sync | 14:22 |
jokke_ | Also we need to think how we communicate it so everyone understands what we are talking about. The "location" is very established term when we talk about images for long time already before multistore | 14:23 |
rosmaita | i disagree ... pretty much nobody understands locations | 14:24 |
rosmaita | and the default config doesn't expose them | 14:24 |
rosmaita | we're talking about end users here | 14:24 |
jokke_ | default does not, I'd say around 68% (or what ever the ceph adoptation was on last survey) of deployments does | 14:25 |
rosmaita | doesn't matter, this is about stores | 14:26 |
jokke_ | Like I said, I totally agree we should get away from it, but we need to do it consistently and not just somewhere and then forget everything else for few cycles | 14:26 |
rosmaita | so we should talk about stores | 14:26 |
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abhishekk | I went through the comments | 14:28 |
rosmaita | you are going to have to put your foot down, because erno and i are not going to agree about this | 14:29 |
abhishekk | As we are talking about possibility of removing image from single store, it will be good to add messages which reflects the same | 14:30 |
abhishekk | this is my honest opinion | 14:30 |
rosmaita | what release are we going to make enabled_backends mandatory? | 14:31 |
abhishekk | rosmaita, it is not decided yet, but most probably from V release | 14:32 |
jokke_ | I think original plan was this one, but I don't see it happening that fast | 14:32 |
jokke_ | as I think we slipped already one cycle stabilizing it | 14:32 |
abhishekk | yes | 14:33 |
rosmaita | well, it does seem to be coming together nicely | 14:33 |
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abhishekk | To make enabled_backends mandatory we need to make changes devstack as well :D | 14:35 |
rosmaita | that is always an adventure | 14:35 |
rosmaita | related to that, what's the status of making private visibility the default? | 14:35 |
jokke_ | not gonna happen | 14:35 |
abhishekk | Nope, I have one patch up for the same which configures multiple file backends for us | 14:35 |
abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/689104 | 14:36 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: effectively the QA stance is that we need to call it images api v3 to change any default values | 14:36 |
abhishekk | yes | 14:37 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: the other option would be stop gating tempest :P | 14:38 |
abhishekk | lol | 14:38 |
rosmaita | bummer | 14:38 |
abhishekk | I will add my comments on the patch, but I think we should talk about the 'store' specifically instead of location | 14:40 |
abhishekk | jokke_, no offense :D | 14:40 |
jokke_ | please, do then I have something to point out when people start nagging about inconsistencies saying "it wasn't me" and that's fine :P | 14:41 |
abhishekk | I have one item for Open Discussion, should we move ahead | 14:41 |
abhishekk | :D | 14:42 |
jokke_ | so there is still the last sentence of the release note | 14:42 |
jokke_ | should I just remove it as it seems like there is no agreement on that either | 14:43 |
jokke_ | ? | 14:43 |
abhishekk | jokke_, looking | 14:44 |
abhishekk | I am fine with current wording here | 14:45 |
rosmaita | i just thought it a bit weird to be saying "hey, stuff might disappear, then you can use this new feature" | 14:46 |
abhishekk | will add my comment there as well | 14:46 |
rosmaita | doesn't seem like a good message | 14:46 |
rosmaita | but maybe i misread it | 14:46 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: so let me explain my thinking on that. | 14:47 |
rosmaita | sure | 14:47 |
jokke_ | Specially with the edge growing bigger and bigger with really small footprint sites. I'm expecting that lots of deployments won't have redundant storage across their sites. They count on edge site having failure, to rebuild that site clean | 14:48 |
jokke_ | They will have like redundant central store and perhaps single glance node with file store at the edge | 14:49 |
jokke_ | those edge sites will some point start failing and leaving data to the db which is just expected to be cleaned (and likely utilizing the async copy job) restored from central | 14:50 |
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jokke_ | I would never expect admin going willy nilly deleting data and not clening the mess behind them, but I would expect hw failures that might not have been backed up multiple times per day and restored to the pre failure state | 14:51 |
abhishekk | makes more sense | 14:52 |
rosmaita | ok, i understand. it's just that "image data has for some reason disappeared from the store" seems a bit disconcerting | 14:52 |
jokke_ | And I really don't want to throw our admins under the bus stating in the release notes that our expectation is, if you don't find your data in the store someone (admin) deleted it and forgot to tell you about it :) | 14:53 |
rosmaita | yeah, but we also don't want to give the impression that our software is so crappy that stuff can disappear from the store | 14:53 |
rosmaita | :) | 14:53 |
jokke_ | no, but the hw is | 14:54 |
jokke_ | and that just happens | 14:54 |
abhishekk | Last 6 minutes | 14:54 |
jokke_ | ok, lets move on to abhishekk's open topic he had waiting | 14:54 |
rosmaita | sure | 14:54 |
abhishekk | I will add my topic to next weeks discussion | 14:54 |
jokke_ | sorry for taking that long | 14:54 |
abhishekk | just to give idea | 14:54 |
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abhishekk | we have a CLI tool for cleaning cache if it increases which is called glance-cache-pruner | 14:55 |
abhishekk | My opinion is unlike cache-prefetcher, we should run this also as a periodic job | 14:55 |
jokke_ | you mean like prefetcher? | 14:56 |
abhishekk | I will write a lite spec for the same | 14:56 |
rosmaita | what's the advantage of cache pruning rather than just letting the ejection algorithm handle it? | 14:56 |
abhishekk | jokke_, now we have added prefetching as a periodic job | 14:56 |
abhishekk | rosmaita, I need to understand the existing tool, never used it | 14:58 |
jokke_ | I think I have the same question as rosmaita | 14:58 |
rosmaita | iirc, our ejection algorithm was most-recently-used for a while, maybe that's why the tool was added | 14:58 |
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rosmaita | yes, that's not a typo | 14:58 |
rosmaita | we were kicking out the newest image | 14:58 |
rosmaita | so you really did need to prune the cache to get anything to stick! | 14:58 |
abhishekk | but IMO instead of running it using cron job in deployments we should give this facilities to run as a periodic job | 14:58 |
rosmaita | i am pretty sure that actually happened | 14:58 |
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jokke_ | so in my understanding the cli tool was there for admin to make a call for what they want to throw out rather than letting the algo handle it | 14:59 |
abhishekk | last minute | 14:59 |
abhishekk | yes | 14:59 |
jokke_ | Like I can't remember us running that in cron | 14:59 |
rosmaita | yeah, and a periodic job wouldn't know what to do in that case? | 14:59 |
jokke_ | that's admin tool not periodic one iirc | 14:59 |
abhishekk | I am not sure there is any algo which is doing this | 14:59 |
abhishekk | OK, we can discuss this in next meeting | 15:00 |
abhishekk | thank you all | 15:00 |
jokke_ | ok, we're out of time, I'll have a look into that as well | 15:00 |
rosmaita | sure, have a good evening | 15:00 |
jokke_ | thanks all! | 15:00 |
abhishekk | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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