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| abhishekk | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 19 14:00:04 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is abhishekk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| yebinama | o/ | 14:00 |
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| * tosky lurking | 14:00 | |
| abhishekk | jokke_, could you pleasee co chair this meeting with me? | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
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| abhishekk | I don't have electricity since morning and my laptop may dry any moment | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: kk | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #chair jokke_ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: abhishekk jokke_ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, thank you | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | np | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| abhishekk | As discussed in last week, we will not have meeting next week on 26 December | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | Ussuri milestone patch is up and updated, kindly review | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696017/ | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | #topic release/periodic jobs update | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release/periodic jobs update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| abhishekk | periodic job is all green | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | we are going to release M-1 for glance tomorrow | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | so based on the agenda I assume we did not release U1 milestone | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | have couple of suggestions/questions around the same | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | releasing Friday is now a thing? :o | 14:04 |
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| abhishekk | should we include policy in code patch in M1? | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, no that is not the case | 14:05 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/693129 | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | I should have asked this earlier but I was busy and it slept out of my min | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | s/min/mind | 14:06 |
| abhishekk | apart from this, is there need to include empty alembic scripts? | 14:07 |
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| abhishekk | any suggestions or I got disconnected from here :O | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, rosmaita ? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | just thinking, I can't remember if they were needed for the version bump or not | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | i don't remember, but some tests will fail if some constants aren't updated | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I don't think so | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | we have some tests in tests/gate i think that will indicate what needs to be kept in sync | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I guess we have some release where we didn't have any script for that entire cycle | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | yeah, that's the part I can't remember if those constants needed the empty migrations or not | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | or if it broke trying to get the migrations (even empty) in before tagging the first on the series | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | I think it was the later, we need tag first before we can merge any migrations | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | safe side we should add empty migration scripts | 14:12 |
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| jokke_ | you can try, but I think it will fail the gate before tag | 14:12 |
| abhishekk | ok, lets tag first then | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | should we include policy in code patch as it is in good shape and resolved all the concerns? | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I think we need empty migrations only if we're merging partials | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i think that is correct | 14:13 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | So I need to regenerate config files, and then tag the release | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | yeah, so if we want to include the policy, we should merge all the policy changes and include the example file with the example configs | 14:16 |
| abhishekk | IMO we should get that in | 14:17 |
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| abhishekk | there will be now example policy file I guess | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | there is generator config in the policy change | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | then there is: | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/698793/ | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | (my laptop is dying quickly, will sustain next 10-12 minutes) | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | and | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/694387/ | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | i just -1d https://review.opendev.org/#/c/693129 | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: ok, go ahead ... we can try to keep speed up to cover as much as possible while you're still online | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | Ok, lets leave it for M2 then we will release with current status | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | Will submit config regenerator patch if possible today | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | and also tag the release as well | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | Moving ahead, | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | #topic Multiple store import plugins | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple store import plugins (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:21 | |
| abhishekk | multiple import specs | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.opendev.org/669201 | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | yebinama, sorry in last minute I have added one suggestion there | 14:21 |
| abhishekk | do you have any questions around the same? | 14:22 |
| yebinama | Yep, I've seen it :) | 14:22 |
| yebinama | No, this one should be quite easy | 14:22 |
| yebinama | I'm more "worried" by rosmaita's review | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | he is here | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | :d | 14:23 |
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| yebinama | He proposed to change allow_failure | 14:23 |
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| abhishekk | yes I saw that | 14:24 |
| yebinama | to all_stores_must_succeed | 14:24 |
| yebinama | Are everyone ok with that? | 14:24 |
| yebinama | I think it'as a good idea | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | if you rename it then you need to reverse all your current logic | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | \o/ | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | I am ok with it | 14:25 |
| yebinama | Yes that's why I prefer to be sure everyone agrees before doing it | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | it's good to check, becasue we will have to live with it for a long time | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | it is meaningful as well | 14:26 |
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| jokke_ | Is that clear enough, or will we need longer novel next when we figure out corner case for it? | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | you'd think jokke_ was being charged by the character | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | I think there is 2 things here: 1) How the API operates and 2) how it's documented | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | well, the problem is that allow_failure isn't attached to the "stores" element in the json | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | and then we can bikeshed how much we want about the color of the option, it win't change the fact that world will find dumb enough user for us who manages to misunderstand it :P | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | so if you want to do "stores": {[s1, s2], "allow_failure": true} then i am ok | 14:28 |
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| rosmaita | i think this is where i bring up sean's example of we're not talking about the color of the bikeshed, just whether we build it next to the house or in the middle of the driveway | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | I think we should rename it instead of adding one more layer of dict in the body | 14:31 |
| yebinama | Or maybe we can just ensure to have a clear documentation? | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | It is a good suggestion and as the work is still in progress we should do it now | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | nobody reads the documentation :) | 14:32 |
| abhishekk | :D still we need to have clear documentation as well | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | agreed | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | (last 5 minutes) | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | yebinama: what rosmaita said as well. So It really doesn't matter. We could call it F=True and no-one would pay any attention to it anyways :P | 14:33 |
| yebinama | So why bother with it? :p | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | the json is supposed to be self-documenting | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | allow_failure is too vague | 14:34 |
| yebinama | Maybe we can go with allow_upload_failures? | 14:34 |
| yebinama | To not change the logic | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | except it's not upload, it's import | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | lets take this offline and keep going as long as we have abhishekk with us | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: well it's upload failure during import :P | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | i guess the thing i really want to know is how the extra properties will be handled | 14:35 |
| yebinama | yes It's the other thing I wanted to discuss | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I guess you are ok with copy existing image specs | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | yes, just this same issue about the exrta properties | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | you guys can continue discussion, I will go through logs later | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | happy holidays, abhishekk! | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | just one minute remaining | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, thanks | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so when I proposed those properties, it was never meant to be to use on any level of control (thus I said we should just use the normal properties to indicate the status) | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yebinama thank you | 14:37 |
| yebinama | thanks abhishekk, bye | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | I will propose config generator patch if electricity is restored | 14:37 |
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| smcginnis | Good luck! | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: whole point was to have some messaging going to the user what's happening that the user can easily clear themselves | 14:37 |
| yebinama | Aren't notifications enough? | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | notifications aren't necessarily exposed to end users | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | yebinama: no-one has any mechanism to follow up notifications | 14:38 |
| yebinama | I have one :p | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | I don't think any deployers lets users to tap into even notification queues of their rabbit | 14:38 |
| yebinama | Going through the code, I found that there is a status for each location of the image | 14:39 |
| yebinama | But It is only set to "active" | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | yebinama: so you guys let your normal users to consume notifications? nice | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: that's fine, i just wanted to make sure that we aren't relying on the content of the properties, since auser can monkey with it | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | also, whether we are going to leave them there or delete them or what | 14:40 |
| yebinama | jokke: we send it to another public rabbit where users can subscribe | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yeah, absolutely not, just something the user can monitor and either clear themselves or wil be reset when next task runs agains that image | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | yebinama: oh, cool | 14:40 |
| yebinama | Could we use the status of the locations? | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I think it was in the spec, that they are to be cleared if new task is ran | 14:40 |
| yebinama | jokke_: exact | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | yebinama: again, users should not have access to the locations ... bad for security | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | yes, but cleared meaning "set to None" or deleted | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | yebinama: we have big hairy OSSN about that :P | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so my take is, we clear&reuse if needed, we allow user to clear (or do what they want with them) and other than that we just leave them. As how would we determine when it's right time to clear them automatically | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so rather just leave and let user to clear if they wish | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | well, the stores_to_be_processed is no longer needed when its empty | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: and once all has succeeded, they will be cleared | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | same deal with empty failures | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | yes, exactly | 14:44 |
| yebinama | properties have to be string? | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | yes, these do | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | so if the queue indicator and he failure indicator exists everything wen't great, if failure exists after queue does, we're done with some issues | 14:45 |
| yebinama | rosmaita: ok. So we have to create a string with comma delimiter | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | if those two doesn't exist I was supposed to say | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | well, like i said on the spec, i kind of like this idea ... the other option would be a "message" element on the image, we had talked about that a while back, but i think this may be better | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I got quite fond of this after thinking of it. self explanary, easy to manage and user clearable. | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | right, and doesn't pollute the images table | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | And indeed would give that little indication to the user we have been talking for about as long as those async ops have existed | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | right, so the issue is how to handle these in teh image schema | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | or not at all | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | I think easiest not at all, like with any other custom property | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | let user to clear them and show them if needed ... I think we don't have schema option for RD anyways | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | which would have been the optimal | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | ok, then there's the extension for this spec which is abhishekk's copy job spec | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/694724 | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool, you've answered my questions. key thing was, are these normal custom properties? answer is yes, and are we using them for control? answer is no | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: correct | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | great, i left a comment on the copy spec, would like him to mention using these properties again | 14:52 |
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| rosmaita | because at least with import, there's an image status transition that indicates something happened | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | with the copy, there won't be | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | sure technically and operationally he doesn't have choice so I didn't get tangled to that, but doesn't hurt there either | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yeah, that's where the queue property specially will be big thing to actually know the task started at least | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i like using the custom properties -- i would have gone with a "message" which would have been more complicated and not any better | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | so kudos to whoever thought of that | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: and you're ok with it being import method rather than needing to mingle full dedicated entry point for it and all the filtering needed? | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | well ... | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | cheers, yeah that was my lil brain getting that blink of light for a change :D | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | btw we have 4 min | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i'm ok with it, don't love it, but then i'm not doing the implementation | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | and i think the api WG is out of business | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I hear you and I did share your concern when we initially talked about this. It just makes life so much easier to treat it as import job than duplicate all the piping to have it's own thing | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i think keep it simple for now | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | and we can always mask it in the client if we wish | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | all that stuff may need to be refactored to a separate service at some point, so we can deal with it in v3 | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | yeah, I leave to who ever is designing v3 after I'm dead :P | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #topic Open Discussion | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:59 | |
| jokke_ | ok, last minute | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/698018/ | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | selfish plug, the delete image from a store spec, the code is ready for glance and client | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | and we're out of time. | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | ok, will put it on my list | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| yebinama | bye | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 19 15:00:39 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-12-19-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-12-19-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-12-19-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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