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| rosmaita | Courtesy reminder: Cinder meeting in #openstack-meeting-4 at 1400 UTC | 14:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rosmaita | jungleboyj rosmaita smcginnis tosky whoami-rajat m5z e0ne geguileo eharney walshh_ ^^ | 14:00 |
| m5z | hi =] | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 18 14:00:32 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| cmurphy | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:00 |
| eharney | hi | 14:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:01 |
| LiangFang | hi | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | looks like we have a quorum | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:02 | |
| LiangFang | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | the next 2 wednesdays are holidays in various places | 14:02 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | so i'd like to propose not meeting and having the next meeting on 8 january 2020 | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | but, that is a long time | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | so i'm open to hearing other opinions | 14:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:04 |
| eharney | that plan works for me | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | though, personally, my family will be upset if we meet on 25 december | 14:04 |
| m5z | +1 | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | +1 | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds like no one is upset by lack of meetings | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i'll send something out to the ML | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:04 |
| LiangFang | +1 | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | also personally speaking, i will be offline a lot from 20 dec until 2 january | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | and i think a lot of other cores are in a similar situation | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | so review speed may be slowed a bit, please be patient | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | ok, next item is stable branch releases | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | just a reminder that we keep track of them here: | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-releases-tracking | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, a little late, but fyi I will be mostly out Dec 20 to Jan 2 as well. | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | the release patches are linked there if you're super curious about what's in the propsed releases | 14:07 |
| jungleboyj | Me as well. | 14:07 |
| tosky | if I may, can we also have a new release of cinder-tempest-plugin (which is branchless, but it has releases) *after* we merge https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696610/ ? | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | that will really slow review velocity! | 14:08 |
| tosky | (if you think it was a shameless way to advertise that review, yes, it was) | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | tosky: thanks for reminding me, i have not been paying attention to the plugin releases | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | tosky just needs one more +2 on that review: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696610/ | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | tosky: i'll put up a release patch as soon as that merges | 14:09 |
| tosky | I guess that 0.3.1 would be fine as version number for it | 14:09 |
| tosky | thanks! | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | thank you | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | in case people haven't noticed, tosky has been doing a lot of work organizing our zuul testing lately | 14:10 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for all the work tosky! | 14:10 |
| whoami-rajat | Thanks tosky , appreciate the work! | 14:10 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:10 |
| tosky | I added a point to the agenda to provide an update about the zuul v3 work | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | ok, great, you can give us an update later | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's all for announcements | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #toipic policy popup team | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | oops | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #topic policy popup team | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "policy popup team (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:12 | |
| rosmaita | cmurphy: that's you | 14:12 |
| cmurphy | hi o/ | 14:12 |
| cmurphy | it's very early days, but with the policy popup team becoming official i wanted to stop in before the holidays and get you guys thinking about how you'd like to organize and track the work | 14:13 |
| cmurphy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Consistent_and_Secure_Default_Policies_Popup_Team | 14:13 |
| cmurphy | some teams have specs or wiki pages for design documents, tracking could be done with storyboard, launchpad, an etherpad... | 14:13 |
| cmurphy | whatever makes sense for this team | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | we will probably use etherpad and launchpad | 14:14 |
| cmurphy | sounds great | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | are you planning to have meetings or just work over ML? | 14:14 |
| cmurphy | would you like to have meetings? i was hoping not to have meetings but the barbican team also expressed interest in meeting | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | no, my question was really just to make sure i didn't miss an email about meetings | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | i am happy not to have meetings | 14:16 |
| cmurphy | haha okay so far i haven't set up any meetings, you haven't missed anything | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | my other question is that this would be mostly planning and thinking during ussuri -- this isn't a stealth community goal for ussuri, is it? | 14:16 |
| cmurphy | i am hoping that at least a few of the teams make decent progress during ussuri | 14:17 |
| cmurphy | if cinder isn't one of them that's okay | 14:17 |
| cmurphy | planning is still progress | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | ok, great | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | i have the action item from our PTG to follow up on this | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | my main concern is to understand what the impact on cinder is | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | and then hand off the work to someone else | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | but our team goal is to be clear on where the openstack in general is going on this so we can be in sync | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | anyone have questions for cmurphy ? | 14:20 |
| cmurphy | if you have any questions later i'll be lurking in your channel or you can ping me in #openstack-dev | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | great, thanks for dropping by to keep us on track | 14:20 |
| cmurphy | and if you could update the wiki page with any links under the design documents section or progress section that would help me a lot | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'll get something up there | 14:21 |
| cmurphy | thanks rosmaita | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | soon-ish | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | #topic ceph job has been busted on stable/pike for awhile, fix or delete? | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ceph job has been busted on stable/pike for awhile, fix or delete? (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:22 | |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-December/011632.html | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | the ceph job on stable/pike has been broken for awhile | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | fixing it would require some backports | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | consensus in that thread so far is to just drop the job from pike and probably ocata | 14:23 |
| eharney | if it's non-voting anyway, then i guess turning it off is not terrible, we aren't backporting much to pike at this point | 14:23 |
| tosky | but we decided to keep pike alive for a while | 14:23 |
| tosky | isn't it https://review.opendev.org/#/c/684756/ enough? | 14:24 |
| eharney | if so, then sure, no problem with just fixing it | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | it does seem to make the ceph job pass | 14:25 |
| jungleboyj | Guess it depends on whether people want to continue to support it. | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | well, it looks like matt at least is interested in supporting it a bit | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i'll review that patch and reply to the ML encouraging his efforts | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | #topic cinder-specs and the Swedish University Engagement Program | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cinder-specs and the Swedish University Engagement Program (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:28 | |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-December/011407.html | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | don't have much to say here | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | we have some specs in review sort of languishing | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i'd like to encourage people to get them cleaned up a bit | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | we can put them in the untargeted section | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | and see if someone can pick them up | 14:30 |
| * jungleboyj will try to take a look at those. :-) | 14:30 | |
| rosmaita | my point is that if you personally have proposed a spec, or have an idea but no implementation time likely | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | it would be good to get the spec to the point where someone else could grab it | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | because there may be some students looking for work to do | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | and on the topic of specs | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | LiangFang: i'll get comments on your ssd caching spec today | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | sorry about the delay | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i think except for that one, i've got comments on all the open specs | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | (ping me if that's not the case) | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | #topic wiki -> docs | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "wiki -> docs (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:33 | |
| rosmaita | this is a quick one | 14:33 |
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| rosmaita | i was looking at a bug that cited the wiki as a reference | 14:33 |
| tosky | and you want to nuke it? | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | the page in question hadn't been updated since 2013 | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | well, i don't know if i can nuke a wiki page | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i don't have permissions to perma-delete anything | 14:34 |
| tosky | it can be emptied and its content replaced with a link to the new location | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | that's sort of what i was getting at | 14:35 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: ++ | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | the problem with a complete empty is that sometimes there's stuff in there that hasn't made it to the "real" docs | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | so i'd say, only empty a page if you have reviewed it carefully | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | otherwise, please take a minute to edit it, sort of like this page: | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder-multi-backend | 14:36 |
| tosky | or https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderSupportMatrix ? | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | exactly | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | the wiki comes up a lot in google searches | 14:37 |
| whoami-rajat | historical purposes | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | so if you do see an outdated page, please add a link or a notice or whatever is appropriate | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | or, if it's something we should have in the "real" docs, | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | file a bug and tag "documentation" | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | anyway, just a reminder | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | #topic Status of Zuul v3 migration | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status of Zuul v3 migration (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:39 | |
| rosmaita | tosky: that's you | 14:39 |
| tosky | there are a few open reviews which changes the legacy jobs into native Zuul v3 ones | 14:39 |
| tosky | * https://review.opendev.org/#/c/672804/ (cinder-tempest-plugin) | 14:39 |
| tosky | * https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697385/ (os-brick, depends on the previous review) | 14:39 |
| tosky | * https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671945/ (cinder, WIP because I was hoping to fix another legacy job, but it can be make official) | 14:40 |
| tosky | after those patches are merged (and backported when it makes sense, which means cinder and os-brick), what's left? | 14:40 |
| tosky | * grenade jobs: the work on native grenade jobs restarted like yesterday, I need to resolve a new failure, but hopefully they should arrive soon | 14:41 |
| tosky | (and I will take care of updating cinder as well) | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | i think you are also working on the cinderlib jobs? | 14:41 |
| tosky | cinderlib is fully zuulv3, I just need to fix the existing jobs so that they use the run-cinderlib-role | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | looks like the cinderclient doesn't have any legacy jobs to deal with | 14:41 |
| tosky | yes, I already fixed cinderclient a few months ago | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | ah, that's why there's nothing to do :) | 14:42 |
| tosky | the other reamin legacy job is legacy-dsvm-multibackend-matrix, which is a bit tricky, will work on it after grenade | 14:42 |
| tosky | it does something that other jobs don't do (test, change configuration, retest), but it's a useful pattern | 14:43 |
| tosky | I have a few questions for you all: | 14:43 |
| tosky | * are there any other cinder components? It looks like "no" a this point | 14:43 |
| whoami-rajat | tosky, i think there are only those 3 legacy jobs in cinder that all depends on grenade ? | 14:43 |
| tosky | whoami-rajat: 3 grenade defined there, and another one defined in project-config | 14:43 |
| tosky | I'm mentioning "backporting" many times because it's the only way to clean up those jobs from project-config | 14:44 |
| whoami-rajat | tosky, oh, wasn't aware of the project-config one | 14:44 |
| tosky | (hence my questions about which branches should be kept alive, because most probably we can't go back further than pike) | 14:44 |
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| tosky | the other question is: right now the cinder-tempest-plugin lio jobs, the devstack-plugin-ceph job, etc, all run all the tempest tests, including the API tests for the other components | 14:45 |
| tosky | would it make sense to reduce them (removing for example networking jobs)? Or should we keep them? And which ones? | 14:45 |
| tosky | just tempest.api.volume, tempest.scenario and of course cinder-tempest-plugin, or something else as well? | 14:46 |
| tosky | and that's it | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | when gmann introduced the integrated-storage job, that narrowed down some coverage | 14:47 |
| whoami-rajat | tosky, don't we have few volume tests under tempest.api.compute ? not sure | 14:47 |
| tosky | right, I could steal that configuration | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | yeah, maybe we can review that first | 14:48 |
| tosky | whoami-rajat: there are some, yes | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | compute and networking are pretty important for us | 14:48 |
| whoami-rajat | tosky, https://github.com/openstack/tempest/tree/master/tempest/api/compute/volumes | 14:48 |
| tosky | oh, ok, also networking | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | so while i'd like to have faster tests, i'm a bit wary about reducing coverage too much | 14:49 |
| tosky | please note I'm talking about tempest.api.network | 14:49 |
| tosky | not the scenario tests | 14:49 |
| tosky | the specific cinder settings shouldn't really change the result of the network API tests | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | that's true | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i think we could break some compute api stuff though | 14:50 |
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| tosky | this is the storage blacklist: https://opendev.org/openstack/tempest/src/branch/master/tools/tempest-integrated-gate-storage-blacklist.txt | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | that looks pretty safe | 14:52 |
| tosky | oki, I will see if it's possible to use it without duplicating it | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | that would be great | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | thanks for all your work on this, tosky | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | anything else? | 14:55 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:55 |
| tosky | nothing else for now | 14:55 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks tosky | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks again | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:56 | |
| rosmaita | anyone? | 14:56 |
| jungleboyj | Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | i should mention that e0ne mentioned that he couldn't be here today, but he's been working on reviewing 3rdPartyCI about who's running the cinder-tempest-plugin | 14:57 |
| tosky | oh, nice | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | he thinks he'll have some results to share later this week | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | jungleboyj: ++ | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | and best wishes for any other holidays people may be celebrating | 14:58 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: That is good. | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | ok, so this is our last cinder meeting of 2019 -- thanks for a great year, everyone | 14:58 |
| LiangFang | Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! We will have a long time that no much meeting in daily work. | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | next meeting will be 8 january 2020 | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 14:58 |
| tosky | thanks! Happy holidays for anyone celebrating! | 14:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for another great year everyone! | 14:59 |
| whoami-rajat | Merry Christmas and a Happy new year. Enjoy the vacations! | 14:59 |
| walshh_ | Thanks to everyone for all your help during the year. Nollaig Shona duit! | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Happy Festivus for the rest of us. | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | time's up, no airing of grievances | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 18 15:00:02 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-12-18-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-12-18-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-12-18-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | He he. | 15:00 |
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