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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 14:01:43 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:02 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | cool we have everyone here | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:03 | |
| jokke_ | So looks like RC1 was success ... there's no critical bugs opened against it and it did not break the world \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | Always nice when the world doesn't break. :) | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | also the osc goal discussion is still going https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639376/4/goals/train/osc.rst | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | Oh, and I fecked up ... totally missed the proposal window for forum sessions so we won't be having one | 14:05 |
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| jokke_ | doing some finetuning on my mailing list filtering, hopefully will not miss such info in the future | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | on that note | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:07 | |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: welcome back | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | as you just said we have successful glance rc1 release | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | yeah, the switch to openstack-discuss has been a PITA | 14:07 |
| abhishekk | no bug reported yet | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | well there is a bug, but by quick glance it's brick not glance using the deprecated import | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | regarding periodic job we are still hitting with py35 interpreter not found error | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1821306 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1821306 in os-brick "Using or importing the ABCs from 'collections' is deprecated" [Undecided,New] | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Oh, I hadn't seen that one yet. | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | no actually we do it directly as well it seems | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it should be an easy fix in os-brick. | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | shouldn't be a big deal to fix and if that's the very only thing, I'm not sure fixing that warrants RC2 for us | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | Good to get rid of deprecation warnings, but I wouldn't consider it a critical issue. | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | indeed | 14:10 |
| abhishekk | I will try to contact infra team regarding the py35 interpreter error | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | maybe we need to change those tests to use py36 ? | 14:11 |
| abhishekk | might be | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Oh, could be now that legacy jobs were switched to run on bionic nodes. | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | So I thought there was some shifting around the py3 versions, not sure what we are actually supposed to be testing atm. | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | py36 for stein | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | gmann has had some patches up for the tempest and grenade stuff, i think | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | sounds kind of crazy that we're running tests on py 35, 36 and 37 but on the same time, the rate python is bringing backwards incompatibilities into 3.minor releases might be needed | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Yep, py36 is the default py3 for stein, py37 is good to test to make sure we are OK on the next bump. | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | I believe in train we can make sure all the py35 stuff is gone. Only really needed for grenade upgrades if I understood right. | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | ok, lets swap the 35 tests to 36 and see if we get rid of those failures | 14:14 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:15 |
| abhishekk | that's it from me | 14:17 |
| abhishekk | (I thought, I got disconnected) | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | ok | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | moving on | 14:18 |
| abhishekk | every thing on the agenda is rosmaita now :D | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | #topic queens backport | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "queens backport (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:19 | |
| rosmaita | acutally, it's me talking about abhishekk's stuff! | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | didn't copy the hash to the topic :D | 14:19 |
| abhishekk | :d | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ok, i think someone hit the 'file' store missing bug yesterday in #openstack-glance | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-glance/%23openstack-glance.2019-03-27.log.html#t2019-03-27T19:44:17 | 14:20 |
| abhishekk | Yes, I will backport it to queens (may be tomorrow) | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | not sure exactly, but sounded liike it | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | ok, i was just wondering if it will be a clean backport (i think so) | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | ok, we can wait and see on that | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i think it would be worth doing new stable releases with that bugfix? | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it should be easy to backport. And good. | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool, that's really all i had on that | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | it should be as iirc it does not use the multi-store interface | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | #topic inconsistencies in multistore API? | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "inconsistencies in multistore API? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:22 | |
| rosmaita | ok, this may be controversial | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | only case is that we didn't have tests in queens | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | so we only need to backport the actual code | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i guess that's ok? | 14:22 |
| abhishekk | I guess so | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | I would love to backport the tests as well, but if it's hell of a lot effort lets stick with the fix only | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | #undo | 14:23 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic inconsistencies in multistore API? | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | that all from it? | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | #topic inconsistencies in multistore API? | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "inconsistencies in multistore API? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:24 | |
| rosmaita | i guess we can be confident that the rocky tests cover that part of queens? | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | lets try this again :D | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | (sorry, my typing is slow) | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | I am confident enough | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: ? smcginnis: ? | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i think i am ok with it | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | #undo | 14:25 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic inconsistencies in multistore API? | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, should be good. I like the idea of backporting the tests if it's not too much work. | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | ok, we're not really in a rush on that | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | we can let Abhishek do a backport and report back on the test situation | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | I will try best to backport tests as well | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | well yeah ... it is deep stable ... like said in principle it would be great if we had the tests but if it's anyting else than finding the test patch and cherrypicking it in, lets forget it as we have already soon 2 stable branches in between | 14:26 |
| abhishekk | ack | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | it's just matter of principle and having tests for bugfixes. but like said it's very unlikely we manage to backport something that breaks it over 2 stable branches without noticing (or that the same tests would catch there something they did not catch on previous merges/backports) | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | so definitely don't spend too much effort on the tests | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:29 |
| abhishekk | ok | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | there is also the workaround of just having 'file' in the 'stores' config option | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | am i right that as long as 'file' is in there, you don't hit the bug? | 14:30 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, just wanted to verify | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | there is that but also the proper fix is well self contained so there is really no reason why we should not backport it | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i know i looked at it like a week ago, but it seems longer for some reason | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: i agree | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | 2 weeks almost | 14:31 |
| abhishekk | lets move ahead | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: anything else on this? | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | not from me (for real this time) | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | #topic inconsistencies in multistore API? | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "inconsistencies in multistore API? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:32 | |
| rosmaita | ok, the background is a spec abhishekk has for cinder | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641267/ | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | i was looking at our docs and api calls | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | we use 'store' when we are talking to end users | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | but we tend to use 'backend' also | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | my question is whether we should be more consistent about this | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | so that it's easier to configure, etc | 14:33 |
| abhishekk | so you are suggesting to use store instead of backend? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i think 'backend' shows up in the location metadata now? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | is that right? | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | the reason I have choose backend is we already have default_store option | 14:34 |
| abhishekk | for single store deployment | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | yes, i kind of remember our discssion about this at the beginning of the cycle | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | but i think we should use 'store' to the greatest extent possible | 14:35 |
| abhishekk | and we can not use same option in case of multiple store deployment so I have renamed every option to backend i.e enabled_backends, default_backend etc | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | ok, i think that is ok for operator only facing stuff | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | but something a user might see should be a 'store', i think | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | it's one of these things where we can be user friendly by not accidentally breaking anything by overloading config options, etc. but then causing some confusion when we have "same" config options under multiple names for that | 14:36 |
| abhishekk | yes | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | i think the location metadata is the only place you'd see a 'backend' now as an end user? | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | so we should rename --backend to --store? | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | also in the glanceclient mabye? but we can fix that | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | that is my thought | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | since the api-ref is all talking about stores | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | and probably call it --store-id | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | and the http header is something-Store | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | just ot be super clear | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | ok, I will identify al the cases including docs, input parameters etc and create one etherpad which will help us to identify the impact | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | yes, since we use 'id' in the /info response, i agree that store-id is cool | 14:38 |
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| rosmaita | great, there is no rush on it, just before the API goes out of experimental | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | we can assess at the ptg | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | IIRC the feature is experimental through all three repos so it should not be big deal to change | 14:38 |
| abhishekk | cool | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i don't want to make a lot of extra work, but it will be good to be consistent as much as possible | 14:39 |
| abhishekk | if it is simple change we can merge it before ptg as well | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ++ | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | just lets add that to the list of multi-store stuff we need to address in PTG | 14:39 |
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| abhishekk | ack | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | that's all i have on this | 14:39 |
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| jokke_ | I'd prefer not to act on the multistore stuff we consider changing before PTG so we have the whole picture how we are moving forward with that | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, between, does cinder proposal looks good to you? | 14:40 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ack | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | If we have many things on our list I just schedule whole day for it | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: i think so, i had some more comments, don't know if you saw them yet | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: ++ for multistore full day | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, I have fixed them and uploaded new spec as well | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: cool | 14:41 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, ++ | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | i put your spec as a proposal for the cinder ptg sessions | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, great | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | would be good to discuss it quickly with the cinder team | 14:42 |
| abhishekk | I am working on PoC for both proposed as well as alternative solution, once done I will share with you | 14:43 |
| abhishekk | rosmaita, ++ | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: very nice | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: also the encryption key management thing, it's on both our and cinder's ptg etherpad | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | kk | 14:44 |
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| jokke_ | anything else on this? | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | not from me | 14:45 |
| abhishekk | nope | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #topic open discussion | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:45 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita had something flagged here as well I think | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i just tossed some stuff on the etherpad in case we have time to sit down together and code at the PTG | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | the first on is the config files | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | we did a regen for abhishek's change to the cache management | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | that config file is insane, it has all sorts of stuff that i don't think is needed | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | but i am not 100% sure | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | it would really help operators if we could sort those out a bit | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | I think it's pretty much the copy of -api.conf just different name for different config values if needed | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | either that, or jsut have one super-duper config file and get rid of all these individual ones | 14:47 |
| abhishekk | even same for scrubber.conf as well | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | anyway, would be nice if we have time | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | I would really like to clean the config files up. For example remove all the redundant crap from the help texts to limit the size a bit ;) | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | I think -api.conf hit like 4 or 5k lines now | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | well, there's some oslo.config stuff we're not taking advantage of | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | like defining descriptions for individual enumeration items | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | we did it by hand, but now there's some kind of oslo.config thing | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | but the output includes both | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | so you see our list of what the stuff means | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | and then a list of each item with <no doc available> | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | but, remember that that help text is really the configuration documentation | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | so that's why it is verbose even though jokke_ doesn't like it | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | We have lots of verbosity there and then we have tons of redundant crap that is purely boilerplate overhead that provides no value | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | but increases the volume of those files by a lot | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i disagree about the no value ... the related items or no related items is pretty helpful | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | yeah, well, an operator can run sed and strip out all the comments | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | it's either that or maintain separate documentation for all of it | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | and that gets out of date so fast it's not worth it | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | anyway, we can discuss over beverages at the PTG | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: my point is not that the ones that has values should not be there, my point is that we have that crap there for every single option just to have it there even if it's just the key | 14:53 |
| abhishekk | ++ for beverages | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: it's because if you let one option in with just a one-liner, everyone wants to do it! | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | it's like prepopulating all possible property keys to every imgage in glance just so that the user can see what would be possibly there ;) | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: and there is nothing wrong with that if the oneliner is explanary enough for the option documentation being clear | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | i think i could use a beverage now | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | :D | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | :D | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: everyone always thinks their oneliner is completely explanatory ... and they are pretty much never correct | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | last 4 minutes | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: and that why we have something called code review to catch those. but "lets add 10 lines of boilerplating to every option because some of them might benefit the info being there" is giving us exactly what you wanted to clean up :D | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | fecking messy and insanely long config files | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | anyway, if the config revamp is too controversial, my second suggestion is to actually remove some of the deprecated stuff | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | agree to remove deprecated stuff | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | we never get around to it, so it might be good to just sit down and do it all together | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | so we will be removing a lot in train taken that our deprecation of registry is finally up ... so we can clean all that out of there | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | with beverages! | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | which will clean lots of the configs as well | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | we could have a registry removal hackfest | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | yeah, maybe let's do that first, and worry about configs later | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | including glance-registry.conf and glance-registry-paste.ini as whole | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | last minute, anything else? | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | nothing from me | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | we can have t-shirts "I removed the glance registry and all i got was this dumb T-shirt" | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | thank you all | 14:59 |
| abhishekk | +200 | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: ++ :) | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: *"registry/v1 api" | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all! | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 15:00:10 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-03-28-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: you got no thanks for removing the v1 api! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-03-28-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2019/glance.2019-03-28-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: ikr :D | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | :) | 15:00 |
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