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| egonzalez | #startmeeting kolla | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 6 15:00:24 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is egonzalez. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:00 |
| egonzalez | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:00 | |
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| mandre | o/ | 15:02 |
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| spsurya | o/ | 15:03 |
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| egonzalez | Hi, meeting agenda havent changed in a few weeks, no progress has been made since then | 15:04 |
| egonzalez | #topic announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:05 | |
| egonzalez | Vote for summit talks is open, be sure to vote your favourite talks | 15:05 |
| egonzalez | thats all from me, any other update? | 15:05 |
| mandre | hi, is it the right time for general discussion? | 15:07 |
| egonzalez | yep | 15:07 |
| egonzalez | #topic open discussion | 15:07 |
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| hrw | hi | 15:08 |
| hrw | managed | 15:08 |
| mandre | I wanted to chat a little bit about the patch series I've pushed recently | 15:08 |
| mandre | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/kolla+branch:master+topic:restrict-pkg-binary-distro | 15:08 |
| egonzalez | sure, what about? | 15:09 |
| mandre | we've been a bit lax about what goes inside our "binary" image templates, I wanted to fix it by checking in the gate for forbidden instructions, such as gem install, pip install etc | 15:09 |
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| mandre | the rational being that binary image should only install software packaged for the distribution | 15:10 |
| hrw | if all required items exist in distro in needed versions | 15:10 |
| egonzalez | that will make many of our supported services unsupported the next day | 15:11 |
| egonzalez | like promethus only will be available for source | 15:11 |
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| mandre | yeah, right... some of our images labeled as "binary" are really "source" images | 15:12 |
| mandre | for example prometheus | 15:12 |
| hrw | I like the idea but as Debian/stretch maintainerkindof I know that many things we may lack | 15:12 |
| mandre | so I consider that our prometheus "binary" image is a bug | 15:13 |
| hrw | or we may reconsider old idea of getting rid of binary/source from image names etc | 15:13 |
| egonzalez | whats considered a binary package? only rpms or debs or something doesnt need to be compiled | 15:14 |
| mandre | anyway, I've pushed the script to check for what's inside the binary templates, and pushed also a few patch to correct the mistakes I've found along the way | 15:14 |
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| mandre | please take a look | 15:14 |
| hrw | ok, will look | 15:15 |
| mandre | egonzalez: I'm including everything that's packaged for the distro, so packaged in deb or rpm | 15:15 |
| hrw | mandre: so none of arm64 images are binary | 15:16 |
| mandre | everything else don't belong to binary distro IMO | 15:16 |
| hrw | we build dumb-init | 15:16 |
| mandre | hrw: dumb-init was the only thing I wasn't able to get rid of :) | 15:16 |
| hrw | not that I care much about binary images | 15:16 |
| hrw | mandre: grab package from Debian, extract, use dumb-init binary | 15:17 |
| hrw | mandre: I saw that idea somewhere in ohter container project | 15:17 |
| mandre | hrw: there's a package for rhel actually, we should be able to have it in centos without too much difficulty | 15:18 |
| hrw | but then it is no longer 1.1.3 | 15:18 |
| hrw | or whichever ancient we use | 15:18 |
| mandre | thanks, that's all for me | 15:18 |
| egonzalez | what im more worried about is backwards compatibility | 15:19 |
| hrw | mandre: are you close to my burger place? you ended right when I got burger... | 15:19 |
| mandre | oh, almost forgot, egonzalez I've seen you posted a comment about depecation cycle | 15:19 |
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| egonzalez | and current users needed to build both source and binary, in that case if i were an operator i'd just move to source everything | 15:19 |
| mandre | I think deprecation doesn't apply here | 15:20 |
| egonzalez | mandre yep, probably k8s images can be removed if nobody else are using them (we may need to ask first) | 15:20 |
| hrw | mandre: if I deploy debian-binary-prometheus* images now then on upgrade I will not get updates | 15:20 |
| mandre | unless someone does the work the package the apps | 15:21 |
| mandre | I've added release notes about the image being source only | 15:21 |
| hrw | with nowadays ops culture I highly doubt ;( | 15:21 |
| mandre | if I deployed debian-binary-prometheus* images and later realized it pulled binaries from github, I would feel cheated | 15:22 |
| hrw | can we talk about debian/arm64 CI job? | 15:23 |
| hrw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557659/ one | 15:23 |
| egonzalez | sure | 15:23 |
| egonzalez | mandre thanks, anything else on this topic? | 15:24 |
| mandre | egonzalez: no, I'm good this time | 15:24 |
| hrw | developer who was behind it got moved to other stuff so looks like it may land on my plate | 15:24 |
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| hrw | I would like to get some opinions can we get that merged or should it get abandoned or sth | 15:25 |
| mandre | hrw: how much work is needed to polish the job? | 15:26 |
| hrw | mandre: have to dig in it as had other issues to handle | 15:26 |
| mandre | more CI is good, let's not abandon the patch if we can get it to work | 15:27 |
| hrw | ok, will continue | 15:27 |
| mandre | I assume you'll maintain that CI job? | 15:28 |
| hrw | unless gema assigns someone else | 15:28 |
| egonzalez | seems to work but randomly failing with timeouts of 3h | 15:28 |
| hrw | it is in china so maybe networking issues again | 15:28 |
| hrw | there are plans to move it to uk to get stability | 15:29 |
| egonzalez | hrm, maybe in that case is better not use infra mirrors and have your own in linaro cloud? | 15:29 |
| hrw | we will move it to uk and there is normal network access | 15:29 |
| hrw | and then we will decide to official or infra mirrors | 15:29 |
| hrw | sounds good? | 15:29 |
| egonzalez | nice | 15:29 |
| egonzalez | lgtm, patch looks ok | 15:30 |
| mandre | sounds like a plan | 15:30 |
| hrw | thanks | 15:30 |
| egonzalez | once is stable the job we may move to regular job from experimental | 15:30 |
| hrw | and do like nova has - several CI running separatelly? so will not block other jobs | 15:31 |
| egonzalez | yep, is 3rd party and cannot be voting iirc | 15:31 |
| hrw | yep | 15:32 |
| hrw | thx | 15:32 |
| egonzalez | thanks for the work | 15:33 |
| hrw | and burger is gone. | 15:33 |
| hrw | egonzalez: it simplfies work for us | 15:33 |
| hrw | as now I get fail/pass info once per week | 15:33 |
| hrw | which now means fail due to pip being pip | 15:33 |
| egonzalez | hrw a periodical job may help too, so dont have to check experimental every day to see if still working | 15:35 |
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| hrw | egonzalez: zuul knows how to do periodic | 15:36 |
| hrw | iirc | 15:36 |
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| mandre | tbh, experimental job doesn't provide much value unless you're creating a new CI job | 15:36 |
| egonzalez | yep, but need to add it to the list https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/.zuul.d/centos.yaml#L19 | 15:36 |
| mandre | it has to run in the check pipeline non-voting to be a little useful | 15:37 |
| hrw | ok | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | hi folks, I'm here but in a workshop at the moment | 15:37 |
| egonzalez | yep, what we've been doing in k-a is add job which only runs on files changes and run allways as periodical, just to not over use infra resources | 15:38 |
| hrw | that's all from me | 15:39 |
| egonzalez | cool, thanks hrw | 15:39 |
| egonzalez | any other topic to discuss today? | 15:39 |
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| mgoddard | any core team changes planned? | 15:41 |
| egonzalez | i'm thinking on one, if have some suggestions? | 15:41 |
| hrw | mgoddard: want to promote someone? | 15:42 |
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| mgoddard | I mentioned someone to egonzalez a while ago, I think they have been more involved since | 15:42 |
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| egonzalez | yep, i need to talk with him, been busy with $job recently | 15:43 |
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| mgoddard | $life :( | 15:43 |
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| hrw | spaking of life... | 15:43 |
| * hrw moves to next place | 15:43 | |
| hrw | thanks for discussion guys | 15:44 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 15:44 |
| mandre | egonzalez: this makes me think, we need to update kolla-coresec group | 15:45 |
| mandre | lots of people no longer in the core team in it | 15:45 |
| egonzalez | kolla-coresec group? | 15:46 |
| egonzalez | i'm not even in that group | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | there was a clean up a while ago. Were those people removed? | 15:46 |
| egonzalez | kolla-core was cleaned yes | 15:46 |
| mgoddard | maybe mandre meant kolla-core? | 15:47 |
| egonzalez | people in there still involved | 15:47 |
| mandre | mgoddard: https://launchpad.net/~kolla-coresec/+members | 15:47 |
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| mgoddard | TIL | 15:47 |
| mandre | the people who get notified about CVE and | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | should probably have PTL in there :) | 15:47 |
| mgoddard | 3 ex-PTLs | 15:48 |
| mandre | yep would be a good idea :) | 15:48 |
| egonzalez | will need to ask steven about that | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | mandre: do you have the ability to update that group? | 15:48 |
| mgoddard | or egonzalez? | 15:48 |
| egonzalez | no idea of the existence of the group | 15:48 |
| egonzalez | sdake is the admin | 15:48 |
| sdake | hi | 15:49 |
| mandre | I can't edit the group | 15:49 |
| sdake | which group | 15:49 |
| mgoddard | kolla-coresec | 15:49 |
| egonzalez | sdake https://launchpad.net/~kolla-coresec/+members | 15:49 |
| mandre | hey sdake, could you add egonzalez as admin on https://launchpad.net/~kolla-coresec/ ? | 15:49 |
| sdake | wahtis your launchpad id egonzalez | 15:50 |
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| egonzalez | sdake egonzalez90 | 15:50 |
| mandre | alright, need to go, thx guys | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | anyway, this expands outside the meeting discussion | 15:52 |
| sdake | fixed - anjoy | 15:52 |
| sdake | sorry | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | mandre thanks for comming | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | sdake thanks | 15:52 |
| sdake | I thought this was the channel, not the meeting :) | 15:52 |
| egonzalez | sdake no problem | 15:53 |
| egonzalez | any other thing to talk today? | 15:53 |
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| egonzalez | lets end the meeting | 15:57 |
| egonzalez | thanks for comming today | 15:57 |
| egonzalez | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 6 15:57:44 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-02-06-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-02-06-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-02-06-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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