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| jokke_ | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: flwang1, jokke_, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, rosmaita,GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, alex_bash, smcginnis, arcolife,Brin,Roamer` | 14:00 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 12 14:00:52 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | \o | 14:01 |
| McClymontS | GM all o/ | 14:01 |
| McClymontS | or afternoon/evening | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | there's the agenda link | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | we might need to timebox today so lets get started as it seems like we have pretty much everyone around | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | #topic updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
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| jokke_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-glance-brainstorming | 14:02 |
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| jokke_ | Last minit to throw your ideas to the Vancouver Summit Forum | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | last minute even | 14:03 |
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| jokke_ | Who has participation confirmed by now? | 14:04 |
| McClymontS | I am booked and will be there | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | me too | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | cool | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | same here | 14:04 |
| abhishekk | I will miss this time | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: ok :( | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | oh yeah, i got an email yesterday about glance onboarding, apparently i am booked for that session -- i will reuse our sydney stuff | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | I assume smcginnis will be there? | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | I will be there. | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | But the usual running around. :/ | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | sure | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | lets try to meet up at some point, if nothing else for some food and pints | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Definitely! | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | there's good beer and good coffee in Vancouver ;) | 14:06 |
| smcginnis | Last time was great. I'm looking forward to exploring Vancouver some more. | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | then another update which I let rosmaita go more into details is that now when we finally have the glanceclient stable release out, we need to start focusing on 2 things. | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | removal of the v1 api | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | if not complete ocde removal, but getting rid of the tests and killing the endpoints | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | and figuring out how badly intelocked the code is | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | and the second part is that we have few specs sitting in the review queue that needs attention. | 14:08 |
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| McClymontS | huge +1 on removal of v1 | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | For the API, do we have a config option to enable/disable that API? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | So lets try to get the feedback into the spec patches and merge the ones we want to have in | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: yes, those needs to go as well | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: Checking now, but do we have it defaulted to disabled right now? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: and that config option has been false by default of quite a few releases already | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | for quite | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | OK, perfect. Shouldn't be any surprises then. | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | yeah, and devstack default is no v1 | 14:10 |
| McClymontS | Yeah confirmed there its defaulted out | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | for a few cycles | 14:10 |
| McClymontS | I checked yesterday actually | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | rm -fr api/v1 then. :) | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: I have that patch up already, zuul did not like it ;) | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yeah, my 2 cents from doing the glare-ectomy is that this will take longer than we expect | 14:11 |
| McClymontS | It is entrenched in a few places | 14:11 |
| McClymontS | Multihash presented those issues as well | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: thus I'm saying we need to ensure that we get rid of the endpoints and possibilities to enable it in this cycle. Obviously as much of the cleanup as possible | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like a good plan to me. | 14:12 |
| McClymontS | When does this release cycle end | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | but we should not - vote those patches just because the patch did not remove all of it | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | lets just get the work rolling ;) | 14:13 |
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| smcginnis | McClymontS: Release candidate deadline (code freeze) is the week of Aug 6 - https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | the release is in August IIRC | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/priorities/rocky-priorities.html | 14:14 |
| McClymontS | Awesome thanks smcginnis | 14:14 |
| McClymontS | Provides a good amount of time to tackle that | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Would be great to get the v1 endpoint removed earlier in the cycle though, just in case there are any surprises. | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: YES! That's why it was prioritized to the very beginning of the cycle | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | ok, next one | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | #topic release updates | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:15 | |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: stage is yours | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | i'll make it fast | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | we have 2 client releases, one on stable/queens for packagers and one from master | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | 2.10.0 and 2.11.0 respectively | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | basically the same content in both | 14:16 |
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| rosmaita | we should be releasing a new stable/queens today | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | and we have rocky-1 milestone next week | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | that's from openstack/glance not client, right | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | right, sorry, today will be glance | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | rocky-1 milestone aiming for wednesday release | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | and our first bug smash is next friday 20 April, so put it on your calendars | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | and bug squad meeting monday at some ungodly hour | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | this monday | 14:18 |
| McClymontS | time edt? | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | :D | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | 6 am | 14:18 |
| McClymontS | YEah | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 14:18 |
| McClymontS | lol | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | #topic uncapping eventlet | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "uncapping eventlet (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:18 | |
| rosmaita | just for info | 14:19 |
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| jokke_ | this should be fast as that's done | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | yeah, have we merged those patches? | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | I think I saw at least the glance merge message in irc | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | not sure if store was merged yet | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | ok, then if glance is ok, should not be a problem | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | nope, I have my +2 there as of now | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i was worried over nothing, forget about it | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 14:20 |
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| jokke_ | #topic what to do about store_capabilities_update_min_interval ? | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "what to do about store_capabilities_update_min_interval ? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:20 | |
| jokke_ | keep the mic | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | ok, this came up in glance channel earlier this week, at least i thought it did | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | problem with nfs mount for filesystem store | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | anyway, it made me realize that we never decided what to do about this option | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | that no store actually implements | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | so, i was wondering is a spec-lite ok? | 14:22 |
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| rosmaita | and i think we can deprecate it AND remove the code at the same time | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | I'm still standing behind the proposal that we should deprecate the config option and remove it next cycle | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | since the option does nothing | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | and the code is just a stub | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so the deprecation will just be an announcement that you shouldn't expect this to work and it never has | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | comments? | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | to be clear, spec will be to remove the stub and deprecate the option now, remove the option in S | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | there is no reason not to follow the standard and leave the removal for next cycle ... just in the case that someone has actually implemented driver or that feature to some of the drivers downstream | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | well, its just that you get that really misleading log message that freaks people out | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | which one? | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | i don't remember, it's in the meeting logs from the previous discussion | 14:25 |
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| rosmaita | it makes it sound like you don't have your store configured properly | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | but enough of that ... i will propose a spec lite to deprecate the option | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | but that's only if you actally configure that | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | that's all | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ? | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | no, you get it no matter what, i think | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | anyway, not worth discussing now | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | oh crap ... ok lets put spec lite up for it and we can nail the details down there | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | will do | 14:26 |
| McClymontS | yeah spec-lite sounds good | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | #topic Deleting image data after signature verification failure | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deleting image data after signature verification failure (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:26 | |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529083/ | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | that's green, but pretty sure it wasn't me | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | spoiler alert, I -2'd that approach | 14:27 |
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| rosmaita | i don't know if it's possible to move the verifier.verify into the store? so we can not store the data when it fails? | 14:28 |
| abhishekk | lost the network :( | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | no point | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | we would need to cache the data locally and that opens yet another can of worms | 14:28 |
| McClymontS | No cahcing | 14:29 |
| McClymontS | caching* | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | not sure i follow, isn't that how the checksum failure is handled? | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: the crypto function is fed from the stream when we push the data to the backend | 14:30 |
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| jokke_ | and once that finishes we know if the sig matches or not | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | right, but don't we have a feature where you can specify the checksum on image creation, and if the data doesn't match, image is killed? | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | what actually is the problem here is that we have except statement for that crypto to fail, but we do not handle the data cleanup in the backend before we raise it further | 14:31 |
| McClymontS | yes that is true rosmaita I believe | 14:31 |
| McClymontS | So jokke_ you think just handle it right there? | 14:32 |
| McClymontS | in that exception | 14:32 |
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| jokke_ | McClymontS: yes, when we get the crypto failure, we catch that, remove the data from the backend and after that we raise it back to the api that takes care of killing the image record | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | i'm just saying that the store has the verifier, it is passed in, so maybe call verify on it in the store and just delete the data there | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | whatever we do, we should try to use the same pattern as the checksum code | 14:34 |
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| McClymontS | I'm conflicted I agree with both tbh.. | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: that's too late already, the verifier object is passed to the store from the location.py | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | also IIRC we do not support setting the checksum in v2 | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | which means that from Rocky we also never kill image for checksum failure, only for signature failure if it's signed image | 14:36 |
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| rosmaita | what behavior do we want here? do we want it to go 'killed' or 'queued' ? | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | Well it's in released API that it goes killed. I really don't see backwards compatible way to change that | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but we can say that's v1 only | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | no image signinghas never been a thing in v1 | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i mean the image going killed | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | but it's not because image signing has been doing that since mitaka or so | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | that's my point, we fucked it up | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | and I don't see way out of it | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | well, 'killed' shows up in the image schema, which was kind of a suprise to me this week | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | it just looks like our datapath is reliable enough that the signature failures does not happen and the fact that there is data left behind is noticed only now ;) | 14:41 |
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| jokke_ | So what I'm saying is, it's a nasty bug and we need to fix it. Lets do it in a right place and not overengineer it to the point where someone in 2-3 years time when we all might be doing something totally different is cursing us to the deepest hell "What were these guys thinking of!" ;) | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | hard to disagree with that | 14:44 |
| McClymontS | yeah lol | 14:44 |
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| jokke_ | ok next topic | 14:45 |
| McClymontS | Leave a comment saying '#my bad' | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #topic Images API v1 removal | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Images API v1 removal (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:45 | |
| jokke_ | we did touch this pretty well already | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | #agreed we need to remove the endpoints in Rocky cycle and do as much code cleanup as possible | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | I have patch up that removes the v1 tests and last time it ran it's passing the gate | 14:46 |
| abhishekk | I can have a look as well | 14:46 |
| McClymontS | This will also help from a security perspective | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | that's a good place to start with to avoid unnecessary failures | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549732 | 14:47 |
| McClymontS | Specifically this would resolve OSSN-0078 | 14:47 |
| McClymontS | AFAIK | 14:47 |
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| rosmaita | McClymontS you are correct | 14:48 |
| McClymontS | Along with lessening 76 technically | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | And please feel free to path up any other tests you might find that still pokes the v1 api | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | we unfortunately have quite a few of those | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | That's kind of all from me about this topic. Anyone else? | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | going once | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | going twice | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | wait | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | we need to get this in also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553641/ | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | or the glanceclient gates will start failing when v2 goes | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | some core who is not me or abhishekk needs to +A it | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553641/ | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | (and i meant v1) | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | good, thanks for the pointer ... like said that was not on the priority list for client to get the 2.10.0 and 2.11.0 out, now it becomes to that ;) | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | I assume that needs to be backported as well? | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | nope | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | or is the stable/queens hitting only stable/queens and no grenada nastyness there? | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | stable/queens client tests run in stable/queens devstack | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | so should be no problem | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | ok cool | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | happy to hear | 14:53 |
| * rosmaita hopes he is right | 14:53 | |
| jokke_ | next topic! | 14:53 |
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| jokke_ | #topic Restore v1 api-ref? | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Restore v1 api-ref? (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:54 | |
| rosmaita | Sam Betts filed this bug: | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1762387 | 14:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1762387 in Glance "v1 Image Service APIs in Image Service API Reference" [High,Triaged] | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1762387 | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | ahh | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | #undo | 14:54 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1762387 | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | so the problem is that we got rid of the v1 api-ref to show we are serious about removing v1 | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | FWIW, we kept Cinder v1 api-ref around for a bit, then decided we didn't want to have that old information out there in the current documentation. | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | that's kind of my view | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | but sam points out that there's no published non-master api-ref | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | so i think we need to revert the removal | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | How long as v1 been deprecated now? | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | the info is available in tree for those who wants to refer to the old deprecated/removed stuff | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | years | 14:55 |
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| rosmaita | yes, but it has not actually been removed yet | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | I could go either way. We could revert it, then remove again once everything is actually removed. | 14:56 |
| McClymontS | if v1 still exists I think the docs should | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | well, we could just put a note on the api-ref telling you to build it yourself | 14:56 |
| McClymontS | I agree with smcginnis there | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | true, but it has also been disabled by default for years already (at least over year if not 2 year mark yet) | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | but it would be better to have the ref there | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | we could put up a scary page saying it only applies to really old openstacks | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | which are the majority of clouds, tbh | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | As long as it's very clearly marked deprecated in the api-ref, not much harm still publishing it for a release or two I suppose. | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | this is again one of these things I really hate about how we do things ;) | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | poor PTL leadership pre-rocky | 14:58 |
| McClymontS | lol | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | "We do not provide certain information from stable branches but we assume it will be always accurate and available from master" | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | yeah, openstack is a bit inconsistent about that | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: this is more OpenStack issue than Glance issue tbh | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | i was just being a wise-ass | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | so, should i put up a restore patch with scary front page? | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | so if it's really important to have the API ref for v1 published, go and publish it from the branch it's released from ;) | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: nah, I do not want that back | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, then a note about generating it yourself? | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | that we can do | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'll slap something together | 15:00 |
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| jokke_ | and sorry, Open Discussion is today in #openstack-glance as we're out of time! | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Timecheck | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | Thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 12 15:00:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-04-12-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-04-12-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-04-12-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| praveen__ | Hi Folks, what is the IRC meeting timings for OpenStack neutron sfc? | 17:05 |
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| praveen__ | Topic Neutron SFC | 17:23 |
| praveen__ | All, we were trying to create flow classifiers with networking-sfc without logical_source_port | 17:23 |
| praveen__ | It looks like the only functional sfc agent driver is OVS (ovn is coming up) and OVS does not let you do that | 17:24 |
| praveen__ | Wondering what are our options: ovs getting changed? OVN to be released? | 17:24 |
| praveen__ | I could not find any document where it explicitly specifies that logical source port should be given as mandatory. | 17:24 |
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| praveen__ | For more details please refer the bug reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1758101 | 17:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1758101 in networking-sfc "API Model doc should mention logical_source_port is required in ovs" [Undecided,New] | 17:28 |
| praveen__ | would appreciate an answer from someone in community | 17:31 |
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