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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 15 08:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi :-) | 08:00 |
| yujunz | hi | 08:00 |
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| eyalb | (ό‿ὸ)ﾉ | 08:01 |
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| ifat_afek | Today’s agenda: | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | •Sydney summit recap | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | •Status and Updates | 08:02 |
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| ifat_afek | •Open Discussion | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Sydney summit recap | 08:03 |
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| ifat_afek | Last week I attended the OpenStack summit in Sydney. It was a relatively small summit with less participants and sessions than I was used to see. | 08:03 |
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| yujunz | Is it because of Australia is too far away? | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | I think this is the main reason. And maybe also because the number of contributors in OpenStack is decreasing | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | I had two sessions: one about the integration of Vitrage and Mistral, together with Renat Akhmerov, the Mistral PTL; and the other was Vitrage project update. | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/advanced-fault-management-with-vitrage-and-mistral | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/vitrage-project-updates | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | Other than that, I attended the self-healing forum. There were about 40 people in the audience. Most of the discussion was about creating a SIG (Special Interest Group) and defining its scope. | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-rocky-forum | 08:06 |
| Liat | Hi | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | That’s it for me | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:06 | |
| ifat_afek | I don’t have any other updates... | 08:06 |
| yujunz | I will update | 08:07 |
| yujunz | Start drafting a bundle of blueprints about proactive RCA | 08:07 |
| yujunz | Since it is related to many aspects, I have created an umbrella blueprint to describe the problem | 08:08 |
| ifat_afek | Seen that. Lots of work :-) | 08:08 |
| yujunz | And several blueprints to talk about the changes proposed | 08:08 |
| yujunz | I received some feedback from ifat_afek and realize we need to clarify the problem first | 08:09 |
| yujunz | So let's focus on the umbrella blueprint before going deep to the sub blueprints | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | I think I understood the problem, just not sure about the best solution | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | Agree | 08:09 |
| yujunz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519264/ | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, this gravitz that you added - I should build the docs with tox and see a nice html? or how does it work? | 08:10 |
| yujunz | There are currently some issue with the graphviz display | 08:10 |
| yujunz | I'm fixing it | 08:10 |
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| yujunz | graphviz is already working | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | Great | 08:10 |
| yujunz | #link http://logs.openstack.org/64/519264/4/check/build-openstack-sphinx-docs/7c1f8c3/html/specs/queens/approved/proactive-rca.html | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | Nice! I actually never tried to watch the html using this path | 08:11 |
| yujunz | If you want to build it locally, just type tox -edocs | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | I did, and it didn’t look nice | 08:11 |
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| yujunz | build-openstack-sphinx-docsSUCCESS in 4m 42 | 08:11 |
| yujunz | The link is in the zuul result | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | Yes, I understood. Will check it next time | 08:12 |
| eyalb | I am thinking of adding an option to get the topology in dot format when using the client ? what do you think ? | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | And it definitely makes your spec look much more impressive (and much more clear) | 08:12 |
| yujunz | substitute html with logs in the url to fetch the logs | 08:12 |
| yujunz | That's a good idea eyalb | 08:12 |
| eyalb | networkx has support for converting to dot and graphml | 08:13 |
| eyalb | heat allready wrote a dot converter for there list resources | 08:13 |
| yujunz | Sounds good | 08:14 |
| yujunz | Besides, when I seek help in openstack mailing list, somebody recommend also another tool for other types of diagram (not for graph) | 08:14 |
| eyalb | so i will do it :-) | 08:14 |
| yujunz | #link http://blockdiag.com/en/# | 08:14 |
| yujunz | It looks nice for describing the workflow, sequence, activity and network | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | Agree | 08:15 |
| yujunz | That's all from my side | 08:15 |
| yujunz | One more thing | 08:16 |
| yujunz | #link https://dreampuf.github.io/GraphvizOnline/ | 08:16 |
| yujunz | A live editor for graphviz | 08:16 |
| yujunz | I drafted the graph in it and copy to specs | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | Cool | 08:16 |
| yujunz | That's all | 08:16 |
| qwebirc61266 | Hi, I'm xupeipei. I submmit a bp about snmp parsing service recently, and it has been merged last week. We begin to work on snmp parsing service this week, and related code will be submmitted later. | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | Sounds great | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | And welcome :-) | 08:18 |
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| qwebirc61266 | thanks for the review:-) | 08:19 |
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| ifat_afek | Sure | 08:19 |
| eyalb | b^.^d | 08:19 |
| yujunz | You may use /nick peipei to change your nickname | 08:19 |
| yujunz | Just type "/nick peipei" in the chat window | 08:19 |
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| eyalb | *thumbs up | 08:19 |
| peipei | ok | 08:19 |
| peipei | It has been changed. | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | That’s a much better name :-) | 08:20 |
| peipei | thanks~ | 08:20 |
| najjar | About Vitrage Persistor - I pushed the changes #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519315/ | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | Great, thanks | 08:20 |
| najjar | I still have many issues to fix.... | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | BTW, if you write just “#link #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519315/“ then it will appear on the meeting summary | 08:21 |
| yujunz | no second # I think | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | Right, my mistrake | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | mistake | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519315/ | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else wants to update? | 08:22 |
| idan_hefetz | Yes please :) | 08:22 |
| idan_hefetz | I still have some obligations to complete for parallel evaluation | 08:22 |
| idan_hefetz | And also for tempest, I wish to add a tempest for nova host down, as it is an end to end test. | 08:22 |
| idan_hefetz | Also, Niv is progressing with making sure the existing tempest all run, it should be finished soon. | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | Very important | 08:23 |
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| idan_hefetz | Another thing is that I just opened this bug, regarding templates: | 08:23 |
| idan_hefetz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/vitrage/+bug/1732366 | 08:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1732366 in Vitrage "Template not condition regarding state, action undo does not occur" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Idan Hefetz (idan-hefetz) | 08:23 |
| idan_hefetz | That’s it | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | I checked it a bit yesterday and on my env it worked. But not exactly the same use case as you have. We need to identify exactly when it fails. And fixing the evaluator is not trivial… | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | Anyway, it’s good that we have a bug in launchpad for that | 08:25 |
| idan_hefetz | Great | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else? | 08:26 |
| ifat_afek | Is there a need to change to “open discussion” topic? usually there is no open discussion… | 08:27 |
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| ifat_afek | So let’s close the meeting. Have a good day :-) | 08:28 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:28 |
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| yujunz | Bye :-) | 08:28 |
| yujunz | Sometimes there will be open discussion | 08:29 |
| yujunz | Just not for today :-) | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | I can switch topic if needed… I just keep doing it and nothing happens | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | nobody talks | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | But I’ll keep it in the agenda :-) | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 15 08:30:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-11-15-08.00.html | 08:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-11-15-08.00.txt | 08:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2017/vitrage.2017-11-15-08.00.log.html | 08:30 |
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| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 15 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
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| alexchadin | Greetings! | 14:00 |
| Yumeng__ | Hi | 14:00 |
| hidekazu | started? | 14:00 |
| suzhengwei | hi | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: just now | 14:01 |
| hidekazu | hi | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | Today we have the following agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#11.2F15.2F2017 | 14:01 |
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| alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| alexchadin | Yumeng Bao has presented Project Update of Watcher #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FGb-uocfTw | 14:02 |
| alexchadin | Yumeng__: thanks a lot for your presentation, you've done it great! | 14:02 |
| hidekazu | Yumeng__: thanks for moderating forum physically. | 14:03 |
| Yumeng__ | ：） I’m very happy to do that | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | Moreover, thanks for your feedback about using of Watcher #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-sydney-forum | 14:04 |
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| alexchadin | suzhengwei: you've listed interesting things to discuss | 14:05 |
| alexchadin | I will talk with you about them tomorrow, I think | 14:06 |
| suzhengwei | ok | 14:06 |
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| alexchadin | suzhengwei: if you are able to, of course | 14:06 |
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| suzhengwei | i will make time tomorrow | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | any other announcements? | 14:07 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: thanks for adding answers. i listed questions. | 14:07 |
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| alexchadin | Yumeng__: what was the reaction of people on your presentation? | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: yeap, it would be useful to plan our roadmap for future releases | 14:09 |
| Yumeng__ | alexchadin: some new people interested in our projects | 14:10 |
| Yumeng__ | Not bad :) | 14:10 |
| alexchadin | Yumeng__: have you told them about our contacts or weekly meetings? | 14:11 |
| Yumeng__ | Several people come to ask questions and considering join us | 14:11 |
| Yumeng__ | Yes, I showed our IRC channel and meeting time | 14:11 |
| Yumeng__ | on prensentation | 14:12 |
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| alexchadin | Yumeng__: oh, I haven't seen last slides | 14:12 |
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| alexchadin | well, let's move on | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | #topic Review Action Items | 14:13 |
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| alexchadin | Watcher specs | 14:13 |
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| alexchadin | exclude locked instances needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506078/ | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: we have discussed with you about locked property of VM that looks interesting | 14:14 |
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| alexchadin | suzhengwei: please, update your spec with more details | 14:14 |
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| suzhengwei | sorry, I forgot to update the spec this. I will tomorrow | 14:14 |
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| alexchadin | suzhengwei: thanks | 14:15 |
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| alexchadin | #action suzhengwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506078/ | 14:15 |
| alexchadin | Add Datasource Abstraction and Multi Datasource needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508384/ | 14:15 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: it would be good if you review it | 14:16 |
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| hidekazu | alexchadin: yes, i will/ | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: thanks | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | #action hidekazu give final core review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508384/ | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | cluster-maintenance-strategy needs to be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/ | 14:17 |
| suzhengwei | ok | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: please, update your spec with your answers | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: the more details you provide, the faster it is merged | 14:18 |
| suzhengwei | yes, i will | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: thanks | 14:18 |
| alexchadin | #action suzhengwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464602/ | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | Add storage capacity balance Strategy needs new PS (Zuul issue) #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501659/ | 14:19 |
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| alexchadin | Yumeng__: have you seen Zuul error? | 14:21 |
| alexchadin | Add audit scoper for storage data model spec needs new PS | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517169/ | 14:22 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: adisky_ will update and implement this spec. we discussed today. | 14:23 |
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| hidekazu | alexchadin: because i joined customers project for about 40% from this month. | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: ok, next patch set will be from her? | 14:24 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: yes. | 14:24 |
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| alexchadin | hidekazu: fine | 14:24 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: we discussed face to face in japan today | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | #action adisky_ update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517169/ | 14:25 |
| Yumeng__ | alexchadin: yep, I have seen zuul error. Will check tomorrow | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | Yumeng__: thanks | 14:25 |
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| alexchadin | #action Yumeng__ update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501659/ | 14:25 |
| alexchadin | listen to all necessary notifications needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508105/ | 14:27 |
| suzhengwei | It adds two event notifications, is there any event we miss? | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: I haven't all notifications in nova, that ones you have provided make sense to me | 14:29 |
| alexchadin | haven't seen* | 14:29 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: I've left some comments, everything else looks good to me | 14:30 |
| suzhengwei | ok. | 14:31 |
| alexchadin | Watcher | 14:33 |
| alexchadin | improve 'Restrict existing strategies to their default scope' needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504857/ | 14:33 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: it is the second commit regarding extend-node-status ? | 14:34 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464557/ is it still actual? | 14:34 |
| suzhengwei | yes | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | who will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504857/ ? | 14:36 |
| hidekazu | do they have dependency? | 14:37 |
| suzhengwei | host maintaining depend it. | 14:38 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: ^ | 14:38 |
| hidekazu | ok, they are independent. | 14:39 |
| suzhengwei | hidekazu: would you review it? | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: do we really need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464557/ ? I mean, isn't disabled_reason implemented by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504857/ ? | 14:41 |
| hidekazu | suzhengwei: ok. | 14:41 |
| Yumeng__ | +1 | 14:41 |
| alexchadin | #action hidekazu Yumeng__ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504857/ | 14:42 |
| hidekazu | maybe commit message is wrong or something. i will review including comment from alexchadin :) | 14:42 |
| alexchadin | option to rollback migrations when action_plan fails needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517179/ | 14:43 |
| suzhengwei | It need more comment, althought I prefer licanwei's. | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | #action suzhengwei update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517179/ | 14:44 |
| alexchadin | Notifications Changes Multiple Global Efficacy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519299/ | 14:45 |
| alexchadin | I will review it, who else? :) | 14:45 |
| suzhengwei | I will | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | #action suzhengwei alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519299/ | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | Add and identify excluded instances in compute CDM needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504303/ | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: is it still actual https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508108/ ? | 14:47 |
| suzhengwei | yes | 14:48 |
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| alexchadin | I think, you need to add unit tests at least | 14:49 |
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| suzhengwei | The commit is not finished ,https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508108/ | 14:50 |
| alexchadin | suzhengwei: then mark it as [WiP], please | 14:51 |
| alexchadin | Add storage capacity balance Strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516500/ | 14:51 |
| hidekazu | enough for reviewing? he updated four times. | 14:52 |
| hidekazu | three times. | 14:53 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: since there is no [WiP] tag and unit tests are presented, I suppose we can review it | 14:53 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: ok, i try | 14:53 |
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| hidekazu | code includes volume migration :) | 14:54 |
| alexchadin | #action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516500/ | 14:54 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: then it should be familiar to you :) | 14:54 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: yeap | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | Can't cancell CONTINUOUS audit needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514540/ | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | who would like to review it? | 14:55 |
| suzhengwei | add me | 14:56 |
| alexchadin | #action suzhengwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514540/ | 14:56 |
| alexchadin | Add baremetal data model needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482093/ | 14:57 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: what about it? | 14:57 |
| hidekazu | alexchadin: yeah, i have to.. i will in two weeks. | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu: thanks | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | #action hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482093/ | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | unfortunately, we run out of time | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | thank you for coming! | 14:59 |
| hidekazu | thanks. | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | see you next week! | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:59 |
| suzhengwei | bye | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 15 14:59:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-11-15-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-11-15-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-11-15-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| inc0 | #startmeetng kolla | 15:58 |
| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 15 15:58:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:58 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:58 |
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| chason | o/ | 15:58 |
| inc0 | #topic w00t | 15:59 |
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| pbourke | w00t | 15:59 |
| inc0 | woo! | 15:59 |
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| duonghq | wo0t | 15:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 15:59 |
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| spsurya__ | woot | 16:01 |
| egonzalez | Woot! | 16:01 |
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| gema | o/ | 16:02 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 16:02 |
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| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | 1. congrats to hrw! Our newest core | 16:03 |
| egonzalez | Yay, congrats hrw | 16:03 |
| Jeffrey4l | congrats hrw | 16:03 |
| duonghq | congrats hrw | 16:04 |
| inc0 | he'll have to read log to see this;) | 16:04 |
| gema | congratulations indeed :D | 16:04 |
| spsurya__ | grats hrw | 16:04 |
| chason | congrats hrw | 16:04 |
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| hrw | yo | 16:04 |
| inc0 | hrw: man of the hour is here;) | 16:04 |
| hrw | ;D | 16:04 |
| hrw | I thought that meeting is in 1h from now | 16:04 |
| inc0 | we're just throwing congratulations - you're now a core:) | 16:04 |
| duonghq | congrats hrw (again) | 16:05 |
| hrw | omg. | 16:05 |
| hrw | thanks ;) | 16:05 |
| inc0 | yeah time changes are problem | 16:05 |
| inc0 | so, let's move on | 16:05 |
| inc0 | any announcements from community? | 16:05 |
| inc0 | ok | 16:06 |
| inc0 | we don't have agenda, but there is at least one thing I wanted to talk about | 16:06 |
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| hrw | I am planning to give a talk about kolla on devconf.cz conference | 16:06 |
| inc0 | #topic gate state of union | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | hrw: would be awesome | 16:06 |
| hrw | inc0: indeed - would cut costs a lot for me ;d | 16:06 |
| inc0 | ok | 16:07 |
| inc0 | so as you know last month or so was little busy with gate work | 16:07 |
| inc0 | one big change is that (as for now, plans might change) we're moving to use dockerhub for our deploy gates | 16:08 |
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| inc0 | #link https://hub.docker.com/u/kolla/ | 16:08 |
| inc0 | images are published daily - for master | 16:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | and remove the registry tarballs in tarballs.o.o site, right? | 16:08 |
| hrw | inc0: so no internal-infra registry? | 16:09 |
| inc0 | #link https://hub.docker.com/r/kolla/ubuntu-source-keystone/tags/ | 16:09 |
| inc0 | hrw: not right away, we might end up needing it too, but we need something now | 16:09 |
| hrw | sure | 16:09 |
| inc0 | yeah, tarballs are going away when we're done | 16:09 |
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| inc0 | logs from build jobs (periodic) can be found here | 16:10 |
| inc0 | #link http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/git.openstack.org/openstack/kolla/master/ | 16:10 |
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| inc0 | so one more thing | 16:12 |
| inc0 | I was thinking of rewriting quickstart to assumie dockerhub images | 16:12 |
| inc0 | that should make it a lot easier | 16:12 |
| Jeffrey4l | great. | 16:12 |
| hrw | inc0: instead of building those? | 16:13 |
| inc0 | well in quickstart, yes | 16:13 |
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| hrw | +2 | 16:13 |
| chason | +1 | 16:13 |
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| inc0 | I'll do it right after we backport image publish to pike | 16:14 |
| inc0 | ok thats it from me | 16:16 |
| inc0 | any comments | 16:16 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:16 |
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| hrw | inc0: good job | 16:17 |
| gema | inc0: was going to ask for an update from anyone that was in Sydney last week | 16:18 |
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| gema | did anything noteworthy happen? | 16:18 |
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| hrw | inc0: we (Linaro) plan to publish queens images soon | 16:19 |
| hrw | Pike ones got rebuilt last week: https://hub.docker.com/u/haerwu/ - aarch64 only | 16:19 |
| inc0 | cool | 16:20 |
| hrw | testing generated some patches. most are merged into master already and backported ;) | 16:20 |
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| inc0 | yeah when we'll end up having arm nodepool, (and learn how to put gates on it), we can build it daily too | 16:21 |
| hrw | and now I have one more point for my coworkers to send patches directly instead of though me ;D | 16:21 |
| * inc0 looks at gema and hrw intently | 16:21 | |
| gema | inc0: still working on stabilizing the clouds | 16:21 |
| gema | inc0: I don't forget , but it is taking time | 16:21 |
| hrw | inc0: we have to get our clouds into order first | 16:21 |
| gema | on the bright side our new devops person starts mid december | 16:21 |
| gema | :) | 16:21 |
| gema | we need to add capacity for this also | 16:22 |
| gema | got the servers ready, just need the hands and a few days to get on with it | 16:22 |
| hrw | more time for gema to work on other things from her far-too-long todolist :D | 16:23 |
| inc0 | right:) | 16:23 |
| inc0 | no worries, just saying that when we get it, we'll have means to make it really nice and streamlined | 16:24 |
| gema | inc0: yep, I am hoping before queens to have some sort of gating in place | 16:24 |
| gema | but it is going to be tight | 16:24 |
| gema | hence the "hope" | 16:24 |
| gema | I have the team ready to manually test everything though | 16:24 |
| inc0 | would be awesome | 16:24 |
| gema | to get us through the release | 16:24 |
| gema | that's plan B | 16:24 |
| inc0 | fwiw, once you have cloud up, it's just matter of creating tenant for infra | 16:25 |
| gema | the cloud is up | 16:25 |
| gema | it is just not very stable atm | 16:25 |
| inc0 | right | 16:25 |
| inc0 | that's priority | 16:25 |
| gema | I know | 16:25 |
| inc0 | although you might consider using infra for monitoring/testing | 16:25 |
| gema | as soon as I have a week of stability we'll get cracking | 16:25 |
| gema | I will ask you about that this week | 16:25 |
| inc0 | it's not just charity, there is benefit of running nodepool | 16:25 |
| gema | maybe we can start hooking it and see how it goes | 16:25 |
| gema | before we schedule anything on it | 16:26 |
| inc0 | constant bashing of your cloud and good telemetry that comes with it is worthwhile | 16:26 |
| gema | yep | 16:26 |
| hrw | and termite | 16:26 |
| gema | as soon as hrw doesn't swear when trying to use it, we are ready | 16:26 |
| gema | that's my readiness sensor | 16:27 |
| inc0 | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/nodepool-ovh | 16:27 |
| inc0 | this is what you get ootb if infra sets up nodepool there | 16:27 |
| inc0 | but yeah it doesn't make sense if cloud is just broken | 16:27 |
| gema | it's not broken, just undergoing renovations x) almost there, will keep you guys posted | 16:28 |
| inc0 | cool:) | 16:28 |
| inc0 | #topic post-summit discussion | 16:28 |
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| inc0 | soo I second gema's quesiton, anything interesting out there?:) | 16:29 |
| gema | rwellum: ? | 16:30 |
| inc0 | I guess they're still healing up jetlag;) | 16:30 |
| gema | very likely , oh well, we can always ask in the channel | 16:31 |
| gema | people probably took some time off to visit | 16:31 |
| inc0 | right | 16:31 |
| inc0 | k | 16:31 |
| inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | anything on your collective minds before we wrap up? | 16:32 |
| duonghq | hmm, I just notice that my Keystone upgrade ps is in merge conflict, I'll fix it soon and hope that somebody can review it | 16:32 |
| chason | I'd like to bring up the doc work. | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, about the tag name in dockerhub. how about use "master" for master branch? | 16:33 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l: we can have both for master branch | 16:33 |
| duonghq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398685/ -> the nearly last ps of become series is ready for review, and I'll add after-the-last ps for new services later | 16:33 |
| inc0 | you can tag same image multiple times | 16:33 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, use master is easy when cut new stable branch ;p | 16:34 |
| hrw | +1 for master so it is visible that it is development image | 16:34 |
| hrw | or s/master/devel/ | 16:34 |
| inc0 | ok, we can do just master | 16:34 |
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| Jeffrey4l | hrw, whatever. a fix tag name for master branch is better. | 16:35 |
| inc0 | there are 2 hard things in IT - naming things, cache invalidation and off-by-one errors | 16:35 |
| duonghq | I see that our master tag didn't be used a while | 16:35 |
| inc0 | right | 16:35 |
| gema | I'll throw race conditions there for good measure | 16:36 |
| gema | ah, it was a joke xDDD | 16:36 |
| inc0 | on that note, default for opesntack_release in ansible is 5.0.0 or relevant release number, which is not ideal any more | 16:36 |
| inc0 | but changing defaults is...hard | 16:36 |
| inc0 | joke with some truth in it; | 16:37 |
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| Jeffrey4l | after release new rc, which i forgot in last time ;( | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | anyway, when we migrate to dockerhub, this is not a issue anymore. | 16:37 |
| inc0 | ok so let's focus on that:) | 16:38 |
| egonzalez | I think keep tags is important too, no need to change defaults | 16:38 |
| inc0 | yeah, I guess it's just one conf option | 16:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | we should push tags images to dockerhub too. | 16:39 |
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| inc0 | right, but built often as well | 16:39 |
| inc0 | maybe not daily but idk weekly? | 16:40 |
| inc0 | might be worth adding new pipeline for weekly builds | 16:40 |
| egonzalez | Tags should be immutable and most if passed CI before pushing | 16:40 |
| egonzalez | We ensure that works and no deps changed after release | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, maybe. idk too. only built once is also OK, i think. | 16:41 |
| inc0 | immutable - no | 16:41 |
| inc0 | code tags yes, but not images | 16:41 |
| inc0 | you freeze versions of deps | 16:41 |
| Jeffrey4l | egonzalez, are you saying code or images? | 16:41 |
| inc0 | and deps might need upgrades | 16:41 |
| hrw | finally added myself to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kolla#Active_Contributors table. Thx Gema for reminding | 16:41 |
| egonzalez | Both | 16:42 |
| Jeffrey4l | for images, as inc0 said it is not immutable. | 16:42 |
| egonzalez | By tags mean 5.0.0, no daily pike builds | 16:42 |
| Jeffrey4l | base on this. i think we should only build tag images once. | 16:42 |
| inc0 | we can't do this | 16:42 |
| inc0 | I mean we can build 5.0.0 every week or so | 16:43 |
| inc0 | but we need to refresh even 5.0.0 | 16:43 |
| hrw | 5.0.1 you mean? | 16:43 |
| inc0 | because image is not just code artifact, it's also sum of it's dependencies | 16:43 |
| inc0 | right, latest tag in 5.* | 16:43 |
| Jeffrey4l | hrm, which question are we talking? | 16:43 |
| hrw | stable/pike generates 5.0.1 | 16:44 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think, tag image only build once, branch image build daily. | 16:44 |
| hrw | Pike still gets backports. Our team finds issues here and there adding me some work | 16:44 |
| egonzalez | +1 Jeffrey4l | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, is this what you want? | 16:45 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l: no, even tag images have to be refreshed | 16:45 |
| inc0 | even if kolla code or openstack code inside won't change | 16:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, do not agree at this point. | 16:46 |
| inc0 | let say openssl has a bug | 16:46 |
| inc0 | super critical CVE | 16:46 |
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| inc0 | gets fixed upstream, new minor version of openssl gets released | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | if there are some bug in the tag code, it will become un-usable and we have no change to fix it. | 16:46 |
| inc0 | unless we rebuild all clouds which use our images are insecure | 16:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, there is a possible, like a new release package crashed all our tag. | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | this is always happing. | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | happening. | 16:47 |
| inc0 | well if there is bug in tag code the same bug will be present in original image | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, not code bug. | 16:47 |
| inc0 | right, but that's why we need CI for images | 16:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, like this https://review.openstack.org/519592 | 16:47 |
| inc0 | and push only if CI passes | 16:47 |
| inc0 | right, I agree, but I'd rather have broken images with things we can fix than miss CVE tbh | 16:49 |
| inc0 | alternatively we can just release more often | 16:49 |
| inc0 | minor versions that is | 16:49 |
| inc0 | so if we run into critical bug in tag, we can release next tag right away | 16:49 |
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| Jeffrey4l | in my mind, docker image is just for newbie. if you really want to use kolla in prod env, build and manage your own images. :) | 16:50 |
| inc0 | it'll make sense because if someone would install kolla and build themselves, without it they'd be broken too | 16:50 |
| inc0 | right, which means if hit issue you described, these people will be screwed too | 16:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | i still agree with egonzalez , tag ( 5.x.x ) images should be immutable. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | which means we should build often anyway:) | 16:51 |
| inc0 | but why? | 16:51 |
| inc0 | I mean, as you said, if we have bug like one you mentioned | 16:51 |
| inc0 | we need to fix and release fix anyway | 16:51 |
| inc0 | or people won't be able to build working images | 16:51 |
| inc0 | so what's the value of keeping stale images in dockerhub? | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, and old tag is death. build them is useless. | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | no, build only latest tag of given release | 16:52 |
| inc0 | so we build latest 4.* adn 5.* | 16:52 |
| Jeffrey4l | latest tag? hrm, | 16:52 |
| inc0 | no 4.0.0 and 4.0.1 and 4.0.2 | 16:53 |
| inc0 | just 4.0.2 | 16:53 |
| inc0 | we can delete 4.0.0 from dockerhub | 16:53 |
| inc0 | but we build 4.0.2 every week | 16:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | got what you say. | 16:53 |
| inc0 | even if kolla code to do it won't change | 16:53 |
| inc0 | it's underlying deps I'm worried about | 16:53 |
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| inc0 | all non-openstack ones | 16:53 |
| egonzalez | But new built images may not work with ansible/k8s tagged code | 16:54 |
| inc0 | egonzalez: right, if that happens, we need to fix and tag asap anyway | 16:54 |
| inc0 | can't wait for next release window | 16:54 |
| egonzalez | Users may need to change to code branchs rather than code tags | 16:55 |
| egonzalez | Got it | 16:55 |
| inc0 | because main usecase as Jeffrey4l mentioned is still self-built images | 16:55 |
| inc0 | and they're going to be broken | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. i think inc0's way is possible. | 16:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | and on the other hand, we are far away to implement this :( | 16:57 |
| inc0 | right | 16:58 |
| inc0 | we need to fix our current gates first | 16:58 |
| inc0 | ok guys we're running out of time | 16:58 |
| inc0 | any last words? (see what I did there?) | 16:58 |
| gema | comedian | 16:58 |
| inc0 | ok, thank you all for coming:) | 16:58 |
| inc0 | always | 16:59 |
| gema | thank you! | 16:59 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 15 16:59:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-11-15-15.58.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-11-15-15.58.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-11-15-15.58.log.html | 16:59 |
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