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rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 21 14:01:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
smcginnis | o/ | 14:01 |
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jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
rosmaita | sorry, was looking at the latest comments on the glare patch | 14:02 |
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rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:03 |
rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
rosmaita | as always, there's the agenda ^^ | 14:03 |
rosmaita | not many items, so here we go | 14:04 |
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rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
rosmaita | #topic updates - roadmap | 14:04 |
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rosmaita | our tentative queens roadmap is listed in the "spotlight links" on the agenda etherpad | 14:04 |
mfedosin | o/ | 14:04 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: very handy | 14:05 |
rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-queens-ptg-roadmap | 14:05 |
rosmaita | sorry, am having copy & paste problems | 14:05 |
rosmaita | hi mike | 14:05 |
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rosmaita | i'll put up a patch to the specs repo after the spec freeze happens | 14:05 |
rosmaita | but i don't expect many changes to the roadmap | 14:06 |
rosmaita | probably no changes | 14:06 |
rosmaita | ok, next item | 14:06 |
rosmaita | #topic updates - spec-related freezes | 14:06 |
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rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122365.html | 14:06 |
rosmaita | you may have seen that email, it outlines the freezes & why so soon | 14:07 |
rosmaita | anyway, spec proposal freeze is next week | 14:07 |
rosmaita | spec freeze the week after that | 14:07 |
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jokke_ | ok, quick sanity check. Any of the things we have on the roadmap needing new specs written? | 14:08 |
jokke_ | I know that abhishekk has been writing one for the property injections | 14:08 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/glance-specs+status:open | 14:08 |
rosmaita | those are the open ones, abhishekk 's spec is in the list | 14:08 |
rosmaita | the pluggable flow spec is the major one | 14:09 |
abhishekk | I guess for converting image format? | 14:09 |
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rosmaita | the rest are spec-lites | 14:09 |
rosmaita | i'll put those together in the airport this afternoon | 14:09 |
rosmaita | (there's a list on the roadmap) | 14:10 |
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rosmaita | jokke_ : do we know enough about the pluggable flow architecture to write a spec now? | 14:10 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: not sure/really | 14:10 |
rosmaita | let's say it's covered by the image import mitaka spec | 14:10 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: that's one of the things that is on my list for checking from the IIR spec | 14:11 |
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rosmaita | we can add one later for documentation purposes if we have to | 14:11 |
rosmaita | definite spec freeze exception for that | 14:11 |
jokke_ | as IIRC it was mentioned there while not really detailed | 14:11 |
rosmaita | jokke_ that's my recollection too | 14:11 |
jokke_ | so I was more thingking how many of our items actually is covered spec wise already (or we are assuming so) and to which ones we should write one | 14:12 |
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rosmaita | so for that, we can either do a spec if the architecture is controversial or needs discussion, or otherwise just add docs immediately | 14:12 |
rosmaita | i think we're pretty much committed to some kind of taskflow thing | 14:13 |
jokke_ | and I'd assume we won't be amending the IIR spec anymore but rather writing new ones, even if it means it will overrule some parts of the IIR? | 14:13 |
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rosmaita | i don't know, will have to think about that | 14:14 |
jokke_ | I'd at least prefer that approach. The IIR spec is quite something already | 14:14 |
rosmaita | problem is, we don't want competing specs lying around | 14:14 |
rosmaita | and we can't move the IIR to 'implemented' if the implementation is significantly different | 14:14 |
rosmaita | let's worry about that later | 14:14 |
jokke_ | ;) | 14:14 |
rosmaita | #action worry about strategy for ammending/updating IIR spec later | 14:15 |
rosmaita | :) | 14:15 |
jokke_ | ok, sorry for bloating the topic | 14:15 |
rosmaita | np | 14:15 |
jokke_ | the deadline just got me scared | 14:15 |
smcginnis | Some times it's easier updating specs after you see how things actually turn out. ;) | 14:16 |
jokke_ | smcginnis: indeed | 14:16 |
rosmaita | smcginnis exactly! | 14:16 |
rosmaita | smcginnis it's just ... have you *seen* the IIR spec? | 14:16 |
rosmaita | it's a monster | 14:16 |
jokke_ | :P | 14:16 |
rosmaita | but i digress | 14:16 |
smcginnis | :) | 14:16 |
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rosmaita | ok, next item | 14:16 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: do I need spec to refactor the IIR spec? :P | 14:16 |
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rosmaita | jokke_ the new "official" name for IIR is "interoperable image import" | 14:17 |
rosmaita | iii | 14:17 |
rosmaita | anyway, quick update on this week's stuff on the roadmap | 14:17 |
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jokke_ | I like more "Refactoring the Image Import Refactoring spec spec" :P | 14:17 |
smcginnis | More like "aye aye aye"? | 14:17 |
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rosmaita | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-queens-ptg-roadmap | 14:18 |
rosmaita | let's take a quick look | 14:18 |
rosmaita | i think most of this stuff is me | 14:18 |
rosmaita | did someone file a bug to track the iii test additions? | 14:18 |
abhishekk | nope | 14:19 |
rosmaita | abhishekk i think i saw that you had a list of something somewhere? | 14:19 |
jokke_ | abhishekk: made nice etherpad listing the currently needed tests 'though | 14:19 |
abhishekk | I will put a new PS for property injection specs by tomorrow eod | 14:19 |
abhishekk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-image-import-tests | 14:20 |
rosmaita | abhishekk i will read and comment on current spec today, or do you want me to wait? | 14:20 |
abhishekk | you can add comment | 14:20 |
rosmaita | ok, will do | 14:20 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: if you have time, please do ... specially sanity check my comments there | 14:20 |
rosmaita | will be in the airport for a while, will start with abhishekk 's spec | 14:21 |
jokke_ | before abhishekk rewrites it totally and then you disagree on those changes after ;) | 14:21 |
rosmaita | :) | 14:21 |
abhishekk | :D | 14:21 |
rosmaita | ok, i think we should file a bug referencing abhishekk 's etherpad, so we can track the test additions? or do we just want to tell people to use a special topic? | 14:21 |
rosmaita | i can go either way, just whatever's easier for people adding tests | 14:22 |
rosmaita | looks like gb21 found someone who's new to glance, but wants to learn | 14:22 |
abhishekk | I guess topic will be sufficient | 14:22 |
rosmaita | works for me | 14:23 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: I'm not huge fan of tracking work items as bugs when they are enchancements but I do see the point for that as well | 14:23 |
jokke_ | actually topic could be better as they are just tests ... that way we don't dump them into releasenotes | 14:24 |
rosmaita | "Please use the topic: import-tests for your patches" | 14:24 |
jokke_ | as that's not really anything user/operator facing | 14:24 |
rosmaita | jokke_ good point | 14:24 |
rosmaita | the topic should be sufficient | 14:24 |
rosmaita | thanks for putting that together, abhishekk | 14:24 |
jokke_ | #agreed "Please use the topic: import-tests for your patches" | 14:24 |
abhishekk | noted | 14:25 |
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jokke_ | ^^ we should have it easily found from the meeting notes summary | 14:25 |
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abhishekk | rosmaita: np, may be sometime next week I will start working on if no one works on it | 14:25 |
rosmaita | ok, i have not made progress on running taskflow with eventlet | 14:26 |
rosmaita | due to not working on it | 14:26 |
jokke_ | :P | 14:26 |
rosmaita | i will continue with that soon as i have some time | 14:26 |
rosmaita | which will happen soon, i've been travelling for meetings this week, will be back home this weekend | 14:26 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: it works perfectly fine with eventlet :P | 14:26 |
rosmaita | ok, good point | 14:27 |
rosmaita | the key issue is that we need *all* of glance working with devstack | 14:27 |
rosmaita | i need to follow up on the oslo.concurrency bug, too | 14:27 |
rosmaita | ok, enough updates | 14:27 |
rosmaita | #topic community goals | 14:27 |
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jokke_ | rosmaita: yup ... and the plan was to look if we get it working without eventlet which is causing the problem under uwsgi | 14:27 |
rosmaita | ok, first goal is to split out the tempest plugin into its own repo | 14:28 |
rosmaita | and ... | 14:28 |
rosmaita | we don't have a tempest plugin | 14:28 |
rosmaita | so mission accomplished! | 14:28 |
jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:28 |
rosmaita | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/commit/?id=18e24651cf9d0f5000bad9b0104cacf4c8734ee6 | 14:28 |
jokke_ | do we still need to have repo for it? | 14:28 |
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smcginnis | Nice, one goal done already. :D | 14:29 |
rosmaita | jokke_ no, don't think so | 14:29 |
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smcginnis | jokke_: No, shouldn't need it unless there is a plan to add tests there. | 14:29 |
rosmaita | ok, for the second goal, i've got a spec-lite up, which is how we've traditionally tracked these things | 14:29 |
rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501869/ | 14:29 |
rosmaita | needs +2s so that i can put up a patch to governance repo about our plans | 14:30 |
rosmaita | so, glance cores, please take a look | 14:31 |
abhishekk | yes | 14:31 |
jokke_ | smcginnis: I might have been slightly sarcastic there ;) | 14:31 |
rosmaita | #topic "multihash" | 14:31 |
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smcginnis | jokke_: Hah! ;) | 14:31 |
rosmaita | i've put "multihash" in quotes because the name is a bit misleading | 14:31 |
smcginnis | rosmaita: I need to update the goal tracking for the tempest split for relmgt. Would you like me to submit a patch for glance noting there is no work to do? | 14:32 |
rosmaita | smcginnis thanks, but someone already put it up, and it was merged | 14:32 |
smcginnis | rosmaita: Oh, great. I must be looking at a stale view. | 14:32 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: I do I remember totally wrong, but I think we originally agreed to default to the sha-512 due to the performance benefit of it? | 14:32 |
rosmaita | yes, that's why i want to discuss this | 14:33 |
rosmaita | scott mcclaymont, you may have seen his name on reviews recently, has been looking into picking this up | 14:33 |
rosmaita | he can't be here today, but i spoke with him yesterday | 14:34 |
rosmaita | he has a few suggestions i want to run by everyone before he revises the spec and proposes it for queens | 14:34 |
jokke_ | ok | 14:34 |
jokke_ | shoot | 14:34 |
rosmaita | so, the situation is that we currently have 'checksum' which is md5 and no longer considered a secure checksum | 14:35 |
rosmaita | but we are keeping it for backward compat with old tools | 14:35 |
rosmaita | scott's research is that most tooling these days uses sha-256 as the checksum | 14:35 |
rosmaita | which is secure for now | 14:35 |
rosmaita | so, the "multihash" idea was to future proof glance by using a self-describing checksum field | 14:36 |
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rosmaita | but the problem with that is ... actually a bunch of things | 14:36 |
rosmaita | one is that you have to read the self-describing format (which isn't a big deal) | 14:36 |
jokke_ | so there is one problem/solution pair I'd like to flag right away | 14:37 |
rosmaita | but the other is that you won't have the hash you want to use available, unless that's the one the operator chose | 14:37 |
rosmaita | jokke_ hang on a sec | 14:37 |
jokke_ | we do _need_ to add the algorithm support to the discoverability API we have in 2.6 | 14:37 |
rosmaita | so scott's idea is: we use 'checksum' for current backward compat, add a sha-256 for current tools and backward compat when sha-256 becomes "collidable", and sha-512 for future proofing | 14:38 |
rosmaita | no question about what algo is used, because there's a specific field for each one | 14:38 |
rosmaita | there is a sha-3 family of algos, but bruce schneier says that it's not significantly better than sha-512 | 14:39 |
rosmaita | so sha-512 should suffice for a while, like through U or so | 14:39 |
rosmaita | and then we can revisit | 14:39 |
rosmaita | one other thing | 14:39 |
jokke_ | so with the "current tools" I can't point a single major crypto lib that wouldn't support sha-512 as of now | 14:40 |
rosmaita | scott pointed out that no operator is going to want to migrate hashes, like if we are storing sha-256 in a self-describing field, no one will want to update all images to sha-512 | 14:40 |
rosmaita | jokke_ exactly | 14:40 |
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rosmaita | there is good support for md5, sha-256 and sha-512 | 14:40 |
rosmaita | gitfs uses sha-256 | 14:41 |
rosmaita | and a bunch of other things do too | 14:41 |
rosmaita | so it would be convenient to have the sha-256 for an image | 14:41 |
jokke_ | but the whole thing of the multihash was that we have the capability not to carry on with known vulnerable hash ... say sha-(put your bitlength here) is found to be broken in January | 14:41 |
rosmaita | jokke_ exactly, but i'm beginning to think that's not helpfuyl | 14:42 |
jokke_ | like we have the current hash tied to md5 today | 14:42 |
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rosmaita | i know, and a lot of tooling still uses our md5 | 14:42 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: it might sound like a great idea to hardcode it as sufficient today (just like it probably did 7 years ago to do with md5) | 14:43 |
rosmaita | and a lot of tooling will still use sha-256 even if broken | 14:43 |
rosmaita | jokke_ i agree with where you are going | 14:43 |
rosmaita | but think about the migration issue | 14:43 |
rosmaita | anyway, we can discuss this on scott's patch | 14:43 |
jokke_ | that, but also the tooling _needs_ to be changed already to use anything else than md5 as we haven't provided anything else so far. | 14:43 |
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jokke_ | so why not do it right for once? | 14:44 |
rosmaita | yeah, but we can do it right, but how do we force the tooling to comply? | 14:44 |
rosmaita | and i am worried about the migration issue | 14:44 |
rosmaita | which i guess goes away if we make sha-512 the default now | 14:45 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: we don't and it's very much not our problem. We provided needed for the tooling to do right thing and be forwards compatible with it. If the tooling developer decides to do something else, it's absolutely their right and responsibility | 14:45 |
rosmaita | ok, this will provide scott with some stuff to read through later | 14:46 |
rosmaita | so the final question will be, "multihash" or 2 fields? | 14:46 |
rosmaita | but we are running out of time | 14:47 |
rosmaita | can discuss that on the patch | 14:47 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: so if we inform what algo is used and the hash for it, it's both directions compatible and if the operator sees it important enough to migrate their lets say sha-256 hashes because it got broken, they can either do that or believe that the hash was valid when the image was created and check it against the old hash we have in records | 14:47 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: just having new images hashed with new algorithm does not need to mean that the old hashes cannot be still validated | 14:48 |
rosmaita | i think the problem there is multi-region clouds, where you want to find the same image | 14:48 |
rosmaita | you can search for the same hash, but only if it's secure | 14:48 |
jokke_ | ok, lets continue that on the patch, there is too much ifs for the time we have ;) | 14:49 |
rosmaita | the problem is last time i looked, you can't get the checksum of a DLO/SLO in swift without downloading the entirew thing and checksumming locally | 14:49 |
rosmaita | jokke_ agreed! | 14:50 |
rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:50 |
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rosmaita | oh yeah, priorities for the coming week | 14:50 |
rosmaita | there are some bugs marked for queens-1 milestone | 14:50 |
rosmaita | so those would be good to look at | 14:50 |
rosmaita | those and incoming specs | 14:51 |
rosmaita | anything else? | 14:51 |
jokke_ | did I promise to look into making those deprecation patches? | 14:51 |
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jokke_ | registry and glanceclient | 14:51 |
rosmaita | jokke_ do you have time? | 14:51 |
rosmaita | or you can do one, i can do the other | 14:51 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: no, but I can make time for it :P | 14:52 |
jokke_ | I think I might have promised such | 14:52 |
rosmaita | ok, you choose ... both or just one | 14:52 |
rosmaita | yeah, my memory was that you said you would, but i was too polite to bring it up :) | 14:52 |
jokke_ | rosmaita: ok so how about we take look of them together I can lead with the registry and you lead with the client | 14:53 |
rosmaita | ok, that works | 14:53 |
jokke_ | likely something we need to brainstorm common approach anyways | 14:53 |
rosmaita | let's talk about that on monday? | 14:53 |
jokke_ | ++ | 14:53 |
rosmaita | ok, cool | 14:53 |
rosmaita | anything else on anyone's mind? | 14:54 |
jokke_ | I'll hopefully have majority of this apartment packed by that | 14:54 |
abhishekk | nothing | 14:54 |
rosmaita | jokke_ oh yeah, i forgot about your move | 14:54 |
jokke_ | I might not be able to join next weeks meeting. I'll definitely try to | 14:54 |
rosmaita | hope nothing got lost/broken | 14:54 |
jokke_ | Will happen next Wed by current plans | 14:54 |
jokke_ | so hopefully I'm online most of Wed and Thu but can't guarantee | 14:55 |
rosmaita | ok, well, good luck | 14:55 |
rosmaita | hope it goes well | 14:55 |
jokke_ | cheers | 14:55 |
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abhishekk | all the best ;) | 14:55 |
jokke_ | that's all from me | 14:56 |
rosmaita | mfedosin anything? | 14:57 |
mfedosin | currently no :) | 14:57 |
rosmaita | ok, cool | 14:57 |
mfedosin | put +1 on the patch if you can :) | 14:57 |
rosmaita | mfedosin yeah, i guess i will +1 without a comment | 14:58 |
rosmaita | i am thinking that any comments will only lead to more confusion | 14:58 |
mfedosin | thanks Brian :) | 14:59 |
jokke_ | thanks all! | 14:59 |
rosmaita | np | 14:59 |
rosmaita | ok, thanks everyone | 14:59 |
smcginnis | o/ | 14:59 |
abhishekk | thank you all | 14:59 |
rosmaita | #endmeeting glance | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 21 14:59:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-09-21-14.01.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-09-21-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
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LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 21 17:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
LouisF | hi all | 17:00 |
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bcafarel | hey LouisF | 17:00 |
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LouisF | bcafarel: hi thanks for running meeting | 17:01 |
LouisF | #topic agenda | 17:01 |
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LouisF | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting | 17:01 |
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bcafarel | LouisF: no problem it was quiet both weeks (thanks pcarver for keeping me company) | 17:01 |
igordc | hi | 17:01 |
LouisF | igordc: hi | 17:02 |
LouisF | #topic Pike release | 17:02 |
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LouisF | looks like its ok | 17:03 |
LouisF | bcafarel: thanks for testing | 17:03 |
LouisF | #topic Denver meeting | 17:03 |
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LouisF | did anyone attend? | 17:04 |
igordc | I didnt | 17:04 |
bcafarel | most (if not all) sfc contributors were not there | 17:04 |
LouisF | ok | 17:05 |
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LouisF | #topic API reference | 17:05 |
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bcafarel | apparently split tempest plugin will be a queens goal: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html | 17:05 |
bcafarel | to check if we have to to it too (networking-sfc is listed) | 17:06 |
LouisF | ok need to work out what is involved | 17:07 |
LouisF | pcarver: what is status on api reference? | 17:08 |
LouisF | #topic Queens work | 17:09 |
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LouisF | the sfc work items for queens are at minimum: Tap SF and SFC graph | 17:10 |
igordc | I'm splitting the graph api extension into its own file | 17:10 |
LouisF | igordc: ok | 17:10 |
bcafarel | generic note here: remember to update the alembic migrations parts (queens instead of pike) | 17:10 |
igordc | it's annoyngly not working yet but hope to do it this week | 17:11 |
igordc | and then unblock everything else | 17:11 |
igordc | bcafarel: done! | 17:11 |
LouisF | igordc: thanks | 17:11 |
LouisF | looks like vikash is not on | 17:14 |
LouisF | igordc: look forward to patch updates | 17:14 |
LouisF | #topic Non-transparent SF | 17:16 |
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LouisF | no progress on this - will resume | 17:16 |
LouisF | #topiv SFC-OVN work | 17:16 |
LouisF | #topic SFC-OVN work | 17:16 |
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LouisF | John is not on | 17:17 |
LouisF | #topic other items | 17:18 |
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LouisF | any other items to discuss | 17:18 |
LouisF | ok thanks all | 17:19 |
LouisF | bye all | 17:19 |
bcafarel | bye! | 17:19 |
LouisF | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 21 17:19:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-09-21-17.00.html | 17:19 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-09-21-17.00.txt | 17:19 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-09-21-17.00.log.html | 17:19 |
igordc | bye | 17:20 |
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