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yushiro | Hi | 14:00 |
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annp | hi | 14:00 |
yushiro | #startmeeting fwaas | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 14:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yushiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
reedip_ | guys I will join in 5 minutes | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 14:00 |
reedip_ | just came from gym and well... | 14:00 |
chandanc | hello all | 14:00 |
xgerman_ | o/ | 14:00 |
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yushiro | #chair xgerman_ yushiro | 14:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: xgerman_ yushiro | 14:00 |
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bbzhao | hi | 14:01 |
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yushiro | #chair SridarK | 14:01 |
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openstack | Current chairs: SridarK xgerman_ yushiro | 14:01 |
SridarK | Hi FWaaS folks | 14:01 |
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yushiro | OK, let's begin :-) | 14:01 |
xgerman_ | we should probably give a summary of the PTG | 14:01 |
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bbzhao | hi | 14:01 |
SridarK | +1 | 14:01 |
xgerman_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg | 14:02 |
yushiro | #topic PTG | 14:02 |
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SridarK | i thought it was a very productive set of discussions | 14:02 |
yushiro | Thanks xgerman_ for link. | 14:02 |
xgerman_ | Ok, we had the discussion enhancing SG vs. FWaaS V2 come up again and the community feels we should focus on FWaaS V2 though their patience is getting limited | 14:02 |
SridarK | +1 | 14:03 |
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xgerman_ | which means we *really* need to deliver this cycle | 14:03 |
SridarK | i think we should wrap up the L2 support asap | 14:03 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:03 |
yushiro | +100 | 14:03 |
yushiro | yeah. | 14:03 |
bbzhao | :) | 14:03 |
SridarK | and we are in a good position to do so | 14:03 |
SridarK | i believe we closed out on any outstanding issues | 14:04 |
xgerman_ | we also chatted with the CCF person and SridarK offered to write a spec how we integrate with common classifiers | 14:04 |
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SridarK | yes Thomas Morin was the contact | 14:05 |
SridarK | although it was our opinion that this is still at an early stage | 14:05 |
xgerman_ | yes, they are looking for people adapring it | 14:06 |
SridarK | and we have a plan on how to effect this - i will start putting that in a writeup that can become a RFE | 14:06 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:06 |
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xgerman_ | we also decided to submit documentation alongside code where feasible | 14:06 |
reedip_ | back | 14:07 |
xgerman_ | #action create doc directory structure in FWaaS project | 14:07 |
reedip_ | SridarK : I would like to assist u in the CCF part | 14:07 |
yushiro | xgerman_, will do it ASAP!! | 14:07 |
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xgerman_ | thanks yushiro | 14:07 |
SridarK | reedip_: sure but this is probab more towards the end of the cycle - we will wait on things to be completed on the CCF side | 14:08 |
SridarK | but surely thx reedip_ | 14:08 |
reedip_ | Yes, I will be working a bit there as well to sync things up | 14:08 |
SridarK | reedip_: ok thats grt | 14:08 |
xgerman_ | we also went over the “state machine” for L2 aka PENDING->… etc. | 14:08 |
yushiro | So, writing document is helpful for reviewer. | 14:09 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:09 |
SridarK | +1 | 14:09 |
reedip_ | Yes, I took a snapshot of it , I think | 14:09 |
SridarK | and i think there are some subtleties there too with multiple ports - but lets not confuse that part yet so we can get the support in | 14:09 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:10 |
yushiro | Each patch should be added document. L2-agent, default FWG, ... | 14:10 |
SridarK | essentially - on events intiated from the agent - we question the need for a PENDING_ state - we can skip that | 14:10 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:10 |
SridarK | i think that was a good discussion to go thru the workflows | 14:10 |
xgerman_ | agent restart we were considering throwing the system in 503 until we have recovered | 14:11 |
xgerman_ | SridarK +1 good discussion | 14:11 |
SridarK | i think that unblocks issues around L2 agent patch | 14:11 |
yushiro | Ah, OK. | 14:11 |
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SridarK | Then we had some issues sorted out on handling the L2 agent restart - thanks to amotoki and iwamoto | 14:13 |
reedip_ | hmm .. | 14:13 |
SridarK | the use of cookies to flush out stale entries | 14:13 |
reedip_ | yes, the cookies :) | 14:13 |
SridarK | :-) | 14:13 |
yushiro | So, let me explain about remaining v2 patches detail TODO. | 14:13 |
yushiro | After v2 topic. | 14:14 |
SridarK | yushiro: yes perfect | 14:14 |
reedip_ | yushiro : please also mention the person responsible | 14:14 |
SridarK | one sec | 14:14 |
yushiro | s/After/During. | 14:14 |
reedip_ | so that we can ghave multiple people working on things together without conflicts :) | 14:14 |
SridarK | lets do a quick wrap up of PTG and then maye u can get it into this each as a topic | 14:14 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:14 |
yushiro | reedip_, +1 | 14:15 |
xgerman_ | any questions about the PTG? | 14:15 |
SridarK | i think one more thing that xgerman_ added on appliances | 14:15 |
SridarK | and LBaaS use cases | 14:15 |
xgerman_ | yes, LBaaS | 14:15 |
SridarK | i think this is important to look at as well | 14:15 |
SridarK | since xgerman_ had some usecases in mind and we can work with the LBaaS team to come up with some solutions | 14:16 |
xgerman_ | yes, I can help guide… | 14:16 |
yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ ah, 1 missed thing about PTG. Please let me talk after that. | 14:16 |
xgerman_ | k | 14:17 |
SridarK | xgerman_: there was some early discussion on how to use. neutron port | 14:17 |
SridarK | but we can add some material on that | 14:17 |
xgerman_ | yep, we really need to understand which ports work with our system and which ones don’t (and fix that). | 14:18 |
SridarK | one more thing - i ran into a vendor (Netronome) who also had interest in some parts of it - they said they will try to attend our mtgs | 14:18 |
xgerman_ | In LBaaS hardware vendors where wondering how to integrate with FWaaS | 14:18 |
xgerman_ | or better leverage | 14:18 |
SridarK | +1 | 14:18 |
SridarK | also we need to add more tests | 14:19 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:19 |
SridarK | i think that in itself is a full plate | 14:19 |
SridarK | but i think we cannot state enough the need to stay focussed to wrap up the L2 support | 14:20 |
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SridarK | the summit is just abt 6 weeks away | 14:20 |
xgerman_ | +1 users are waiting for those features | 14:20 |
SridarK | we should get that done before that | 14:20 |
xgerman_ | oh, anybody going to the summit? | 14:20 |
SridarK | so far looks like i will be able to go | 14:21 |
SridarK | fingers crossed | 14:21 |
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xgerman_ | sweet - there was an e-mail and deadline ywo weeks ago about project update talks | 14:21 |
SridarK | xgerman_: hmm - i defn missed that | 14:22 |
SridarK | ok will look for that | 14:22 |
xgerman_ | yeah, maybe they still have slots + forum | 14:22 |
SridarK | xgerman_: ok will sync up with u on tht offline | 14:22 |
SridarK | i think that was a PTG dump - i dont have anything more to add | 14:23 |
xgerman_ | questions? | 14:23 |
amotoki | hi, just got home. | 14:23 |
amotoki | looks like PTG wrapup | 14:23 |
SridarK | amotoki: hi | 14:23 |
xgerman_ | hi | 14:23 |
SridarK | amotoki: yes :-) | 14:23 |
bbzhao | :-) | 14:23 |
yushiro | amotoki, hi | 14:23 |
SridarK | yushiro: if nothing else - can u go to individual topics - we can discuss action items and owners | 14:24 |
amotoki | I think PTG discussion on FWaaS almost focused on L2 stuff but it was useful | 14:24 |
amotoki | move on please | 14:24 |
SridarK | amotoki: yes indeed the Fri discussion was very useful - thx | 14:24 |
yushiro | Aha, so let me talk about PTG topic regarding for wekly meeting. | 14:25 |
xgerman_ | yes | 14:25 |
yushiro | Currently, our meeting is weekly on Tuesday at 1400 UTC. On the other hand, | 14:25 |
yushiro | CCF and neutron meeting will be held at same time. | 14:25 |
SridarK | yushiro: ah yes | 14:25 |
yushiro | I'd like to suggest to shift our meeting time except CCF and neutron. | 14:25 |
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SridarK | bbzhao: what is ur local time now ? | 14:26 |
bbzhao | SridarK,: It's 22:26 now. | 14:26 |
yushiro | eezhova, Could you tell me your timezone. If you know, plz tell me Inessa's one. | 14:26 |
SridarK | ah ok | 14:26 |
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SridarK | because any later will be very late for Japan | 14:27 |
bbzhao | This time is OK now. :-) | 14:27 |
ivasilevskaya1 | yushiro, 17-26 local time now TZ UTC+3 | 14:27 |
yushiro | ivasilevskaya1, Thanks. | 14:27 |
yushiro | I'm always wake up, so it's OK :-) hahaha | 14:28 |
SridarK | :- | 14:28 |
SridarK | ) | 14:28 |
xgerman_ | we can also try a different day - same time | 14:28 |
amotoki | to summarize: UTC+9 for yushiro and me, UTC+8 for bbzhao, UTC+3 for ivasilevskaya1 | 14:28 |
SridarK | maybe | 14:28 |
SridarK | xgerman_: exactly | 14:28 |
ivasilevskaya1 | UTC+4 for eezhova | 14:28 |
bbzhao | amotoki, yep. :-) | 14:28 |
yushiro | amotoki, Thanks. Can I send e-mail into openstack-ml for voting? | 14:28 |
xgerman_ | absolutely | 14:29 |
yushiro | folks, please reply my e-mail for meeting time !!! | 14:29 |
amotoki | yushiro: you should be another person for "When do you sleep" award :) | 14:29 |
SridarK | :-) | 14:29 |
yushiro | #action yushiro sends an e-mail for FWaaS meeting time | 14:29 |
SridarK | yushiro: i think same time diff day will be easier | 14:29 |
yushiro | SridarK, xgerman_ OK, i'll suggest it. | 14:30 |
reedip_ | UTC + 530 for me | 14:30 |
SridarK | lets have a quick discussion to close that here - so we find the best day for the usual attendeed | 14:30 |
yushiro | reedip_, thanks | 14:30 |
amotoki | I think it is worth mentioned why in the mail of call for meeting time. | 14:30 |
reedip_ | I think we can have it same time tomorrow ? | 14:30 |
yushiro | amotoki, OK, will add :) | 14:30 |
SridarK | reedip_: yes that works | 14:31 |
reedip_ | how about others ? | 14:31 |
amotoki | fwaas meeting conflicted with neutron biweekly, but in Queens we plan to explore CCF integration as neutorn stadium effort | 14:31 |
SridarK | xgerman_: and i are in Pacific | 14:31 |
amotoki | so it now means full conflict (weekly) with neutorn and CCF | 14:31 |
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SridarK | even if we move it forward by 24 hrs would that work for all here | 14:32 |
amotoki | this is the background of this discussion (for folks who could not be at Denver) | 14:32 |
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reedip_ | amotoki , bbzhao , yushiro , ivasilevskaya1 : moving the meeting to Wednesday same time ? | 14:32 |
yushiro | reedip_, SridarK +1 So, I'll send ML for 'why' ( amotoki mentioned above ) and altenative day (tomorrow same time ) as a candidate. | 14:33 |
bbzhao | reedip_, : OK. sounds good for me. :-) | 14:33 |
SridarK | yushiro: +1 | 14:33 |
ivasilevskaya1 | +1 | 14:33 |
SridarK | i think it took a lot to come up with this time when we last discussed - so just moving the day will be easier | 14:33 |
amotoki | to me, it works and does not. we usually have local meetups on Wed and Fri, so late night of Wed/Fri soemtimes does not work for me | 14:33 |
amotoki | ^ for Wed option | 14:33 |
SridarK | ah | 14:33 |
reedip_ | so what about Thursday ??? The time I think is best suited to everyone, the date needs vote | 14:34 |
amotoki | that's my case. I am not sure it applies to yushiro | 14:34 |
reedip_ | s/date/day/ | 14:34 |
SridarK | lets see if we can converge on a day that works for all | 14:35 |
yushiro | OK, so, I'll add more candidate days (Thursday or ...) | 14:35 |
SridarK | How abt Mon ? | 14:35 |
yushiro | +1! | 14:35 |
reedip_ | SridarK : Lets have a vote on this in the ML | 14:35 |
reedip_ | too many options.... | 14:35 |
SridarK | we can avoid Fri since it will late Fri eve in Asia | 14:35 |
amotoki | http://doodle.com/ is an easy tool for meeting time poll | 14:36 |
reedip_ | people can vote for Monday, Wed and Fri | 14:36 |
SridarK | so other than Tue or Fri | 14:36 |
amotoki | hehe | 14:36 |
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SridarK | Mon, Wed, Thu | 14:36 |
reedip_ | sorry :) | 14:36 |
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SridarK | ok lets move on | 14:36 |
amotoki | interestingly enough, Mon/Tue is different depending on your timezone | 14:36 |
SridarK | yushiro: can u pls go to topics and action items | 14:37 |
yushiro | OK. | 14:37 |
SridarK | :-) | 14:37 |
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yushiro | #topic Queens | 14:37 |
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yushiro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg again | 14:37 |
yushiro | Let me talk about L2-agent | 14:38 |
yushiro | In PTG, we decided some TODOs. Let me explain step by step. | 14:38 |
yushiro | #link L2agent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/ | 14:39 |
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yushiro | 1. We don't need to have 'enable_l2' option for enable/disable functionality. Because L2 functionality is NECESSARY feature and shouldn't be disabled. | 14:40 |
SridarK | +1 it will be disabled if the driver is not set | 14:40 |
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SridarK | and we conform to SG | 14:41 |
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annp | +1 | 14:41 |
bbzhao | Sorry, guys. I have to leave for home, now. I will trace the log, or if there is any problem, I will send u email. Sorry. | 14:41 |
yushiro | 2. We should have 'noop' driver for some reason. readability and developer ... | 14:41 |
reedip_ | noop is to allow disabling L2 option | 14:42 |
yushiro | 3. There are 'TODO' messages from paddu and need to clean up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323971/54/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/agents/l2/fwaas_v2.py | 14:42 |
SridarK | bbzhao: ok no worries | 14:42 |
reedip_ | without the enable_l2 feature | 14:42 |
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SridarK | yushiro: i will sync with paddu on the TODO msgs | 14:43 |
yushiro | SridarK, thanks! | 14:43 |
bbzhao | SridarK, : :-) | 14:43 |
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yushiro | 4. If an error occurred in agent-side, we should change a state 'ERROR' for firewall_group. Because we cannot handle during 'PENDING_xxxx' state. | 14:43 |
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yushiro | 5. We should add tempest test for L2 agent functionality | 14:44 |
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reedip_ | yushiro : and fullstack as well ? | 14:45 |
yushiro | 6. We should add in-tree 'document' for each patches. | 14:45 |
yushiro | reedip_, ah, yes. | 14:45 |
ivasilevskaya1 | yushiro, by in-tree document you mean an updated spec? | 14:46 |
amotoki | "Because we cannot handle during 'PENDING_xxxx' state" can be rephrased to "because we cannot apply desired state and handle 'PENDING_xxx' state any more" ? | 14:46 |
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yushiro | ivasilevskaya1, Correct. Totally same. It is better for you, eezhova and other reviewers/users. | 14:46 |
amotoki | ivasilevskaya1: it is not about neutron-spec. it is about doc/source in neutron-fwaas repo | 14:47 |
amotoki | ivasilevskaya1: yushiro: it depends on what "spec" means | 14:47 |
ivasilevskaya1 | I meant a spec as in spec :) I know there is one for newton but it doesn't fully match the current implementation | 14:48 |
ivasilevskaya1 | This is really a problem for "people from the outside" (like me and eezhova) who want to help but are blocked by this | 14:49 |
reedip_ | ivasilevskaya1 : As per friday's discussion, we considered that its better NOT to rewrite the spec but create the actual doc. That would work as a spec as well as a document for new developers | 14:49 |
amotoki | ivasilevskaya1: good point, neutron-spec also needs to be updated if it is different from what is actually implemented. | 14:49 |
yushiro | ivasilevskaya1, yes, that' why I suggested to add doc as in-tree doc. | 14:50 |
SridarK | ivasilevskaya1: as a first step we took an action to review the variations | 14:50 |
ivasilevskaya1 | I don't insist on a spec, but on any actual doc that can answer my tricky questions when they appear | 14:50 |
SridarK | ivasilevskaya1: and we will track the "deltas" in an etherpad - so there is no ambiguity | 14:50 |
reedip_ | ivasilevskaya1 : why dont you write it, so that you can answer your own question .... | 14:50 |
amotoki | ivasilevskaya1: as my hat of neutron-drivers team, it is nice if an actual impl is different from what a spec proposes. it decreases confusion from operators/users | 14:51 |
SridarK | ivasilevskaya1: then we can look into overhaul of the spec | 14:51 |
xgerman_ | let’s see how big the delta is before we overhaul the spec | 14:52 |
amotoki | a spec does not need to match a coresponding impl exactly, but if the direction or the scope is different (e.g., impl lands as partial) it would be nice to update it :) | 14:52 |
SridarK | my concern is to keep the focus on the L2 and Horizon patches at this stage | 14:52 |
xgerman_ | some variation is expected and normal | 14:52 |
ivasilevskaya1 | ok, that sounds fine | 14:53 |
yushiro | At least we should show for ivasilevskaya1 for latest DB/API, L2-agent behavior and default fwg. | 14:53 |
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SridarK | IIRC we have stuck to the broad themes - i think the deviations are due to some things we discovered durig implementation or with more discussion | 14:53 |
reedip_ | SridarK : yep | 14:54 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:54 |
xgerman_ | so let’s rather do docs at this stage… | 14:54 |
yushiro | AH!!! 5 minutes left... | 14:54 |
amotoki | we have FWaaS v2 in newton at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/ | 14:54 |
xgerman_ | yes | 14:54 |
SridarK | yes | 14:54 |
amotoki | it is confusing. it might be better to move it to somewhere. | 14:54 |
amotoki | it is at least what we need to do | 14:55 |
SridarK | amotoki: what is ur guidance on this ? | 14:55 |
yushiro | ivasilevskaya1, reedip_ chandanc , could you have 10 minutes after this meeting? I'd like to continue l2 and ovs driver TODO. | 14:55 |
xgerman_ | yeah, I am always confused if specs get rolled over or stay in the branch they have been proposed | 14:55 |
reedip_ | hi guys, just FYI : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122285.html is the email for voting the Timing change for FWaaS. | 14:55 |
yushiro | reedip_, Wow, Thanks!!! so quick. | 14:55 |
amotoki | SridarK: my suggestion is to propose a patch to move FWaaS v2 from newton to queens | 14:55 |
ivasilevskaya1 | yushiro, sure | 14:55 |
reedip_ | I was bored :P | 14:56 |
SridarK | amotoki: ah ok | 14:56 |
amotoki | in my understanding, it did not land in newton - pike | 14:56 |
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reedip_ | amotoki : so can we change the spec in this stage ? | 14:56 |
SridarK | the L2 portions of the spec | 14:56 |
amotoki | reedip_: IMHO it can. | 14:57 |
yushiro | OK, let's take care of it. | 14:57 |
reedip_ | SridarK : I think we can propose and then see what Neutron Cores have to say | 14:57 |
yushiro | #topic Horizon support | 14:57 |
amotoki | reedip_: we haven't discussed such thing so far, but IMHO it is okay if the reality is different | 14:57 |
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reedip_ | at max it would be abandoned, but we will still have the doc | 14:57 |
SridarK | amotoki: ok lets discuss more so we have clarity on it offline | 14:58 |
SridarK | sorry yushiro go on | 14:58 |
xgerman_ | +1 | 14:58 |
yushiro | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475840/ We should fix firewall-rule selection for fw_policy creation. | 14:58 |
SridarK | i think we only have a few things to close out on Horizon | 14:58 |
yushiro | But root cause is maybe horizon side. | 14:58 |
SridarK | SarathMekala is not here | 14:58 |
yushiro | I and amotoki discussed in PTG about this bug. | 14:59 |
SridarK | should we wait on that fix | 14:59 |
yushiro | I will update it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475840/ | 14:59 |
yushiro | aha! it's time. | 14:59 |
SridarK | yes | 14:59 |
yushiro | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 14:59:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2017/fwaas.2017-09-19-14.00.html | 14:59 |
SridarK | lets move to channe | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2017/fwaas.2017-09-19-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2017/fwaas.2017-09-19-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
SridarK | thz all for joining | 15:00 |
yushiro | I'm waiting openstack-fwaas ~~~ | 15:00 |
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gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 17:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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gibi | hi | 17:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 17:00 |
gibi | mriedem notified me that he cannot join today so let's see if we have somebody else here for the meeting | 17:00 |
gibi | I will wait about 5 minutes | 17:00 |
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gibi | OK time is up. Let's cancel this. | 17:06 |
gibi | #endmeeting | 17:06 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 17:06:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:06 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2017/nova_notification.2017-09-19-17.00.html | 17:06 |
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