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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 12:59:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let us start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-docs | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | looks like all the patches are approved | 13:02 |
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| alex_xu | I think we are done all of those work, maybe I should do a double check later | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/468619 | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | the next thing is the quota-class bug, which bring up by gmann last week | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | the spec is already submitted | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1693168 | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | gmann also have patch for it | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | there also one question doesn't get answer yet, which is about the legacy v2 | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | not sure whether we should fix legacy v2 API | 13:05 |
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| sfinucan | o/ | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | maybe the easiest way is adding a reno which notice the user to set the server-group-quota extension as undiscoverable in the legacy v2 API. | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | that may makes the API user's code work correctly. | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | anyway, I will go through all the options in the spec | 13:08 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | also I list all the API related patches in the etherpad | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/restore-vm-diagnostics | 13:10 |
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| alex_xu | restore-vm-diagnostics one is most close one | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | also thanks sfinucan review the patches | 13:11 |
| sfinucan | (y) | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | that is all I have today | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | any other thing people want to bring up? | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | today is very quiet :) | 13:12 |
| sfinucan | I guess most of the US guys are still away | 13:13 |
| sfinucan | I don't have anything pressing, personally :) | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | sfinucan: yea, I heard that there is holiday in the US | 13:13 |
| cdent | I got nothing | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | ok, let us end the meeting today, back to work or ready to sleep :) | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | thanks all | 13:14 |
| sfinucan | (y) ta | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 13:14:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-05-31-12.59.html | 13:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-05-31-12.59.txt | 13:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2017/nova_api.2017-05-31-12.59.log.html | 13:14 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:15 |
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| alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 14:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
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| alexchadin | Hello! | 14:00 |
| Yumeng__ | Hi | 14:00 |
| sballe_ | morning | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | Today we have the following agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#05.2F31.2F2017 | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| alexchadin | #info One week left till pike-2 release | 14:02 |
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| alexchadin | please, spend your time on high priority BPs during your review process | 14:03 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | #info OpenStack Foundation proposed to use Storyboard instead of Launchpad | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | 14:03 |
| alexchadin | Foundation tests new service named storyboard | 14:03 |
| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 14:04 |
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| sballe_ | alexchadin: when will we be switching? | 14:04 |
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| alexchadin | it uses auth of launchpad, but stores BP and bugs in different things | 14:04 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: I want Watcher team to play around with this site and we will decide whether we move to storyboard or not by next Wednesday | 14:05 |
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| alexchadin | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/ | 14:05 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: that's a big change if it gets accepted | 14:05 |
| alexchadin | here is test version to crush :D | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: yes, so we need time to look at it | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | and to make right choice | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | #link https://storyboard-blog.io/ | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | here is description of storyboard and why Foundation wants to migrate to it | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | please, read above links once you have some free time | 14:08 |
| alexchadin | as vincentfrancoise said, it is really big change and we need to compare all pros and contras | 14:09 |
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| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: +1 | 14:10 |
| alexchadin | well, any other announcements from you? | 14:10 |
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| alexchadin | great, let's move on | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | #topic Review Action Items | 14:11 |
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| alexchadin | Watcher specs | 14:11 |
| alexchadin | Add spec for Supporting HA for background jobs in Watcher needs final core from Susanne #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447996/ | 14:12 |
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| sballe_ | done | 14:12 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: if you +2 it, could you please send it to workflow? | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | done | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: thanks! | 14:13 |
| alexchadin | Noisy Neighbor Strategy needs reviews (Hidekazu's comment is still valid) #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:13 |
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| sballe_ | psdhemdi is moving but he will be back next week and will upload a new spec | 14:14 |
| * sballe_ meant pshedimbi | 14:14 | |
| alexchadin | sballe_: sure | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | #action pshedimbi submit new PS on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | Support workload fingerprinting needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448396/ | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | I ran out of time regarding review but will try this week | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | #action sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448396/ | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | Add spec for services-versioned-notifications-api bp needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: it would be good if you review it too | 14:18 |
| sballe_ | ok will do | 14:18 |
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| alexchadin | sballe_: it is already accepted by me, vincentfrancoise, hidekazu and licanwei | 14:18 |
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| sballe_ | alexchadin: | 14:19 |
| sballe_ | done | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: since it has the same structure as other notification-related specs, it won't take a lot of time to review it | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | Add Volume migrate action spec needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468817/ | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | hidekazu has submitted it recently, it is part of cinder related commits | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | nice! | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: could you please review it? | 14:22 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: add me on it, I'll do my best :) | 14:23 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: I wanted to do some more reviews before the meeting but a meeting I wasn't aware took the time slot away from me... | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: no worries | 14:24 |
| alexchadin | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468817/ | 14:24 |
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| alexchadin | Build baremetal data model in watcher needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ | 14:25 |
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| alexchadin | Yumeng__: have you seen Bin Zhou's comments? | 14:25 |
| Yumeng__ | Yep, I have seen them | 14:26 |
| Yumeng__ | I will update tomorrow | 14:26 |
| Yumeng__ | Since I just come back from holiday | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | Yumeng__: great! | 14:26 |
| alexchadin | #action Yumeng__ submit new PS on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | Add new actions "power on" and "power off" in Watcher needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | Yumeng__: here is the same :) | 14:28 |
| Yumeng__ | Ok | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | #action Yumeng__ submit new PS on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ | 14:30 |
| alexchadin | Watcher | 14:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: Yumeng__: I just added a comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ to explain how we use notifications to build CDMs so that lakerzhou can see they are not really mandatory although highly encouraged | 14:31 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: thank you | 14:32 |
| alexchadin | Cancel Action Plan needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458492/ | 14:33 |
| alexchadin | I will try to review it | 14:34 |
| alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458492/ | 14:34 |
| alexchadin | Watcher Install guide needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463281/ | 14:34 |
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| alexchadin | sballe_: could you please review it | 14:35 |
| alexchadin | ? | 14:35 |
| Yumeng__ | vincentfrancoise: thanks! | 14:35 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: I am running out of time. I need to make sure I answers Bin Zhou's comments in our patch on noisy neighbor | 14:36 |
| sballe_ | I really want it merged as soon as possible | 14:36 |
| alexchadin | sballe_: okay :) | 14:37 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: quick question about the lack of specs core reviewers since acabot is not here anymore, shouldn't we have all/most watcher core-reviewers as specs core-reviewers too so we end up with 1 core from each represented company? | 14:37 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: I plan to have talks with everyone from watcher core-reviewers this week | 14:38 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: oh ok then :) | 14:39 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: I was talking about it during last meeting :) | 14:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: yeah I saw the subject popped up although I didn't read it all | 14:39 |
| alexchadin | Yumeng__: do you have time to review install guide? | 14:39 |
| lakerzhou | alexchadin, I will review the install guide | 14:40 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: thank you! | 14:41 |
| Yumeng__ | Yes, I can make time to do. | 14:41 |
| alexchadin | #action Yumeng__ lakerzhou review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463281/ | 14:41 |
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| alexchadin | Noisy Neighbor Strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454359/ | 14:41 |
| sballe_ | alexchadin: just answered Bin Zhou | 14:42 |
| sballe_ | I think the issue here is that not all noisy neighbor algorithm will server everybody | 14:42 |
| sballe_ | This algorithm is helping Intel in several ways. | 14:42 |
| sballe_ | It solves our issue and help illustrate how ll3 metric can be used | 14:43 |
| sballe_ | I agree that the code needs to be divided up in subroutines, etc. | 14:43 |
| sballe_ | but I am not sure I agree on questions around the algorithm | 14:43 |
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| lakerzhou | My main concern is around the decision of the dest_server | 14:43 |
| sballe_ | lakerzhou: I saw that. we are chosing the server with the least amount of cache occupancy which is what the algorithm focuses on | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancoise | sballe_: Maybe a solution would be to add a description in which case it works and the assumptions it makes following the templating we used for other strategies like workload_balance.py | 14:44 |
| lakerzhou | other than that, it is just code format, and code comments | 14:44 |
| sballe_ | so we migrate the aggressor to the server with the least amount of last level cache occupancy | 14:45 |
| sballe_ | vincentfrancoise: let me look at thta | 14:45 |
| sballe_ | vincentfrancoise: I added this as a comment to the code and pshembi will address it | 14:47 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: sballe_ vincentfrancoise nice work :D | 14:48 |
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| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: I agree about description | 14:49 |
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| lakerzhou | +1 | 14:49 |
| * sballe_ :-) | 14:50 | |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:50 |
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| alexchadin | lakerzhou: every strategy (which is initiated by company) solves the issues which company faces | 14:50 |
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| sballe_ | alexchadin: +1 | 14:51 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: it may be not acceptable for other companies, but we are trying to provide wide-range strategies | 14:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | lakerzhou: alexchadin: this is also why you have the distinction between goals and strategies: the former is generic the latter is more tied to the context of a company | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:52 |
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| alexchadin | right | 14:53 |
| lakerzhou | alexchadin, it is not realistic for one solution to fix all problems. Where should a user find the context of the solution? | 14:53 |
| lakerzhou | A user need to know the risk if he/she wants to take the solution | 14:53 |
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| sballe_ | lakerzhou: Whihc is why the description suggested by vincentfrancoise is a great idea | 14:54 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: user should find the goal that should be solved and look for goal's strategies, their descriptions and algorithm details | 14:54 |
| lakerzhou | I am totally onboard with the description suggestion | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: we already have description section for strategies | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | let me find a link... | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: https://github.com/openstack/watcher/tree/master/doc/source/strategies | 14:56 |
| lakerzhou | thanks, alex | 14:56 |
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| alexchadin | lakerzhou: you can find a link to strategy specification inside of its documentation, section Algorithm | 14:57 |
| alexchadin | Excuse me, but I need to go | 14:57 |
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| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: time's almost over anyway ;) | 14:57 |
| alexchadin | we have 3 minutes left so I propose to end up this meeting | 14:57 |
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| lakerzhou | I don't see one for noisy neighbor, so will we have one there? | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | ok make sense | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | bye and have a great day | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | lakerzhou: you are welcome on openstack-watcher channel :) | 14:58 |
| vincentfrancoise | lakerzhou: yes, the answer to your question will be to write one of those ;) | 14:58 |
| lakerzhou | sure, thanks all | 14:58 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | thank you for your attention | 14:58 |
| alexchadin | good luck and have a nice day | 14:59 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:59 |
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| alexchadin | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 14:59:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-05-31-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-05-31-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-05-31-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 15:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi all | 15:00 |
| serverascode | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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| serverascode | hi ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| serverascode | anybody else here for the ops telecom/nfv meeting? :) | 15:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
| serverascode | hi kgiusti :) | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | hi there! | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi guys | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | ok so far 3 of us... | 15:02 |
| serverascode | anybody else lurking? | 15:02 |
| serverascode | kgiusti is this your first time attending? | 15:03 |
| serverascode | if so you could introduce yourself :) | 15:03 |
| kgiusti | Sure thing - I'm a developer on the oslo.messaging project and work for redhat. Very interested in highly distributed messaging stuff. | 15:04 |
| serverascode | ah ok cool | 15:04 |
| serverascode | well thanks for coming :) | 15:04 |
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| serverascode | unless there are some other people arriving late I'm not sure there is much we can do today | 15:04 |
| kgiusti | my pleasure - hope I can help out if there's any oslo.messaging stuff | 15:05 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi Shintaro | 15:05 |
| serverascode | hi shintaro :) | 15:05 |
| shintaro | I was in wrong channel :( | 15:05 |
| serverascode | I think we are in the right channel, I always have to double check | 15:05 |
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| serverascode | ok I guess with four we can continue on with the meeting :) | 15:05 |
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| serverascode | #topic actions from last meeting | 15:06 |
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| serverascode | let me just lookup the last meeting | 15:06 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 15:06 |
| serverascode | hi ansmith :) | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi ansmith | 15:07 |
| serverascode | ok actions from last meeting | 15:07 |
| ansmith | hi | 15:07 |
| serverascode | ACTION: : keep in mind progress regarding monthly WG chairs meeting. (serverascode, 15:13:56) | 15:07 |
| serverascode | ACTION: : gianpietro gather a list of potential NFV deployment examples (serverascode, 15:18:40) | 15:07 |
| serverascode | ACTION: : serverascode to respond to WG chairs collaboration session email thread (serverascode, 15:21:43) | 15:07 |
| serverascode | gianpietro is not here | 15:07 |
| serverascode | I didn't respond to that particular email thread, but I did send a different message on the same topic | 15:08 |
| serverascode | so I think we are good there | 15:08 |
| shintaro | any progress on WG chairs meeting? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 ? | 15:08 |
| serverascode | not that I'm aware of | 15:08 |
| shintaro | I may need to poll Edger about this. or Ildiko | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | Yes | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm not sure all WG chairs got the message | 15:09 |
| serverascode | if I remember correctly the last thing was an email suggesting just using the wg meeting | 15:09 |
| shintaro | but UC meeting timeslot is not good for me... | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:09 |
| serverascode | hi jamemcc :) | 15:10 |
| shintaro | ah now we have 3 WG chairs! | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | s/NFV/WG chair meeting ;) | 15:10 |
| serverascode | yeah my memory is just from a thread between ildiko, jamey, adrien, me, and edgar | 15:10 |
| serverascode | but I don't know any more than that | 15:10 |
| jamemcc | Thats my understanding as well - UC meeting is Edgars suggestion. | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | The initial thread is that one: Re: WG Chairs Collaboration session (May 8th @ 12:05PM) | 15:11 |
| * ad_rien_ is looking for the linj | 15:11 | |
| ad_rien_ | cannot find it but the list of the persons was larger | 15:12 |
| jamemcc | IRC that way - basically what's been suggested since early this year - but we never got the WG chairs to the UC meeting and it didnt' happen many weeks as well. | 15:12 |
| jamemcc | I think if the 3 of us would attend that would create the start though. | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | JAMEY A MCCABE "JAMEY A MCCABE" <jm6819@att.com>; Edgar Magana "Edgar Magana" <emagana@gmail.com>; Melvin Hillsman "Melvin Hillsman" <mrhillsman@gmail.com>; Shilla Saebi "Shilla Saebi" <shilla.saebi@gmail.com>; Jon Proulx "Jon Proulx" <jon@jonproulx.com>; Shamail Tahir "Shamail Tahir" <itzshamail@gmail.com>; Patricia Montenegro "Patricia Montenegro" <patricia.montenegro@intel.com>; Christopher Aedo "Christopher Aedo" <doc@ae | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | do.net>; Yih Leong Sun "Yih Leong Sun" <yih.leong.sun@intel.com>; nematollah.bidokhti@huawei.com "nematollah.bidokhti@huawei.com" <Nematollah.Bidokhti@huawei.com>; Rochelle Grober "Rochelle Grober" <rockyg@gmail.com>; Matt VanWinkle "Matt VanWinkle" <mvanwink@rackspace.com>; Tom Fifield "Tom Fifield" <tom@openstack.org>; Curtis Collicutt "Curtis Collicutt" <curtis@interdynamix.com>; Stig Telfer | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | all that persons were in the initial mail. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | but unfortunately no follow up | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | It can make sense to reactivate that thread | 15:13 |
| serverascode | yeah I didn't respond to that one | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | and see whether it leads us somewhere | 15:13 |
| jamemcc | I agree a better time is needed, I think perhaps 1200 or 1300 UTC might work. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe Shinator your were not in this loop. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry s/Shinator/Shintaro | 15:14 |
| shintaro | no. I would prefer this thread take in some ML. maybe UC ML? | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | if you want | 15:14 |
| serverascode | yeah they are hard to follow when not on a mailing list | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe I can forward this thread to the different ML ? | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | yes I agree | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's forward it to the MLs ? | 15:14 |
| emagana | I am around | 15:15 |
| emagana | can someone let me know what's up? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | Coo. Hi emagana | 15:15 |
| shintaro | hi emagana | 15:15 |
| serverascode | hi emagana :) | 15:15 |
| emagana | I got the notification from my chat but I haven't read the whole meeting minutes | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | We discussed a few times of how we can improve collaborations between WGs | 15:15 |
| emagana | hi ad_rien_ shintaro serverascode | 15:15 |
| shintaro | we were talking about WG charis meeting and NFV collaboration discussion | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | We exchanged a couple of emails between several folks but we did not converge toward a final decision. | 15:16 |
| emagana | Oh, you may refer to the email about having a dedicated time during the UC IRC meeting for all WGs | 15:16 |
| emagana | is that the topic? | 15:16 |
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| serverascode | exactly the topic | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | yes… can be the solution | 15:16 |
| serverascode | the time is not great for shintaro | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | The idea was to give the floor two minutes for each WG to present what they did during the last month and what the WG plans to do for the next one. | 15:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | I don't know whether this should be done on a month basis or two weeks (less seems not reasonable at least for the FEMDC WG) | 15:18 |
| serverascode | we might have lost shintaro | 15:18 |
| shintaro | If we can invite OPNFV and ETSI or any relevant external project there to have their update, we can find overlapping activities which we can collaborate on | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | and I don't know how this should be organized. | 15:19 |
| serverascode | I like the idea of hearing from OPNFV and others | 15:19 |
| emagana | in my mind I always wanted to have one or two members of the WGs attending the UC IRC meeting and share the progress and/or impediments | 15:19 |
| shintaro | I'm still here serverascode :) | 15:19 |
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| serverascode | ok great that you are still online :) | 15:20 |
| emagana | I was even planing to make it some kind of "requirement" to keep going on the WG | 15:20 |
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| emagana | but it is hard to attend for some members in a different time zone, for instance shintaro | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | emagana: all: I think there are two aspects: 1./ Collaborations between OpenStack WGs in general (Performance, Large scale team, FEMDC, NFV, LCCO,…) and 2./ Collaborations between any WG that deals with NFV related challenges | 15:21 |
| emagana | Correct, the one that I want to tackle is the number 1) with the UC IRC meetings | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | for 1./ I think we should define one IRC meeting per month (because I don't think it would be possible for each WG to attend every UC meetings) | 15:21 |
| emagana | The 2) should be mostly from this WG | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | for 2./ I think we should create a new thread on the ML and add in the loop OpenNFV and ESTI folks | 15:22 |
| emagana | ad_rien_: That's also a good idea, we can have a dedicated meeting every three or four weeks. | 15:22 |
| shintaro | +1 and ask them which thread is good for them | 15:22 |
| emagana | we can even change the timing for that meetings in order to be sure that we guarantee that max attendence | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | I think this would be valuable | 15:23 |
| emagana | what about running a poll about the timing with all WGs | 15:23 |
| emagana | to find out that time? | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | and I think it should target all WGs (UC and TC) | 15:23 |
| emagana | I don't think we should include the TC initially | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | Large Scale Team, Performance Team … we are all addressing interesting challenges/questions with a lot of overlaps | 15:23 |
| jamemcc | I guess it's the start of getting chairs to show up is to get them to say when they could show up | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:24 |
| emagana | let's identify requirements or very well define request and then we can engage with TC | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | ad_rien_: from our side (FEMDC) I think we are more a TC WG than a UC one. | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | As we are investigating technical questions and we provide technical contributions | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | (this is an example) | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | Large Deployment team is a TC or UC WG? What's about Performance? What's about NFV? | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | to be honest it is difficult for me to see where is the frontier. | 15:25 |
| serverascode | hmm, I'm not sure there is such a thing as a TC working group | 15:26 |
| shintaro | so we need a place like the Forum, right? | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | shintaro: yes I think that the issue we have with all NFV WGs is something more general. | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | I do not want to steal the time of the meeting today | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | but I really think we should find means/methods/strategies to be able to be more fruitful | 15:27 |
| jamemcc | But really there are only 2 semi-acceptabel times to have a meeting if you have to cover the whole world and not be in the Midnight to 6AM. 1300 or 1400 UTC and 0400 UTC - though I think even that one is difficult for Europe. I guess those are the ones I would start with to poll. Let me start one now. | 15:27 |
| serverascode | we are good for time, we only have a couple things on the agenda | 15:27 |
| shintaro | I can reach out Ildiko and OPNFV folks for 2) topic | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: we can alternate | 15:28 |
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| ad_rien_ | one month we favor one part of the world and the other month... | 15:28 |
| serverascode | so the poll would be a for a UC meeting time once per month where other WGs can come and report what they have been doing? | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 from my side. | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | I think we should be able to identify synergies between WGs/actions | 15:29 |
| serverascode | ok, and it sounds like jamemcc is willing to create that poll :) | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | otherwise, my feeling is that we are going to give up at the end :( | 15:30 |
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| serverascode | #action jamemcc create a poll for a monthly UC meeting time where other WGs could come and report on their activities | 15:30 |
| serverascode | and it sounds like shintaro is willing to coordinate with OPNFV? | 15:30 |
| shintaro | yes | 15:30 |
| serverascode | #action shintaro coordination with OPNFV regarding the once per month UC meeting time in which other WGs and communities can report their activities | 15:31 |
| shintaro | option is to join the UC monthly meeting or have them here in this IRC | 15:31 |
| serverascode | ok | 15:31 |
| serverascode | that seems like some good actions :) | 15:31 |
| serverascode | anything else on this topic? | 15:32 |
| shintaro | none from me | 15:33 |
| serverascode | ok, we'll move on | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: could you please send the mail on dev-ML ops-ML and the general one so we can ensure to attract as much as WG chairs. | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | serverascode: no thanks | 15:33 |
| serverascode | ansmith are you still here? :) | 15:33 |
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| jamemcc | WIll do | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:34 |
| serverascode | darn maybe we lost ansmith | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | Try this pol - see if it's clear to your timezone | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | #URL https://beta.doodle.com/poll/6k36zgre9ttciwqz#table | 15:34 |
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| mrhillsman | you raaaaang | 15:34 |
| ansmith | sorry, had walked away for a sec | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | ok from my side | 15:34 |
| jamemcc | You are the best to certify - thanks | 15:35 |
| emagana | please, email me anything needed from my side. I will be in PTO from 6/1 to 6/8 | 15:35 |
| serverascode | ansmith oh no worries, if you want to do a quick introduction that'd be great | 15:35 |
| * ildikov got caught up in another thread, sorry :( | 15:35 | |
| ansmith | yes, work along with kgiusti on messaging | 15:35 |
| serverascode | mrhillsman we were just discussing a UC meeting for WGs to discuss their activities | 15:36 |
| serverascode | but I think we have some steps figured out | 15:36 |
| serverascode | ansmith ah ok | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | Ok cool | 15:36 |
| serverascode | thanks for dropping in though :) | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | I see emagana so all in is order :) | 15:36 |
| emagana | ups! | 15:36 |
| ildikov | I was waiting to agree on re-using or not the UC meeting, maybe adding a permanent agenda item, etc, but I'll double check that thread now :) | 15:37 |
| emagana | I have been multitasking (my bad) but I think we are good with some action items with shintaro and jamemcc | 15:37 |
| ildikov | I can help out with channelling in the ETSI folks | 15:37 |
| ildikov | and with shintaro we will also get OPNFV in | 15:37 |
| serverascode | ildikov that's great! | 15:37 |
| shintaro | thanks ildikov! | 15:37 |
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| emagana | ildikov: Yes, I missed to asnwer your last email but it seems that in this meeting we are deciding to besides giving time during the UC IRC meeting, we will have a specific one for the WGs cross collaboration | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | Once per month will be great (to start at least) | 15:39 |
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| ildikov | emagana: sounds good, I need to read back the logs as I was late due to some firefighting on another thing... | 15:40 |
| ildikov | emagana: business as usual :) | 15:40 |
| ildikov | emagana: thanks for your help! | 15:40 |
| shintaro | ildikov: so for OPNFV/ETSI folks, they have two options. to join the monthly IRC or join this ops-nfv IRC | 15:40 |
| ildikov | ad_rien_: +1 | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: maybe it should be underlined that we expect to have one representative for each WG | 15:41 |
| ildikov | shintaro: I would go for the monthly one to get a dedicated forum for the updates | 15:41 |
| emagana | ildikov: sounds good! | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | (if the WG chair cannot attend we should find a substitute) | 15:41 |
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| ildikov | shintaro: so people know what they can expect and what's expected from them | 15:41 |
| shintaro | ok | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | otherwise, it would be rather impossible to converge on a doodle | 15:41 |
| ildikov | shintaro: if you agree | 15:41 |
| shintaro | I agree | 15:42 |
| shintaro | we can use this channel for more specific discussions. | 15:42 |
| shintaro | if they want | 15:42 |
| ildikov | ad_rien_: I think we could have liaisons from the groups too | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | ildikov: you mean ? | 15:43 |
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| jamemcc | +1 to Shintaro's suggestion - Monthy UC which is more of a status and this meeting (every 2 weeks) for the more detailed NFV topics | 15:43 |
| ildikov | ad_rien_: I was just reflecting to your substitute comment | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:43 |
| ildikov | shintaro: yep, we should not go down in too deep details with the monthly meeting but find where to discuss items in details, like this channel | 15:44 |
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| ildikov | jamemcc: +1 :) | 15:44 |
| serverascode | jamemcc: +1 as well | 15:44 |
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| shintaro | ok great | 15:45 |
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| ildikov | I think we're getting there now :) | 15:45 |
| ildikov | thank you All for your support on this! | 15:45 |
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| serverascode | yeah this is great | 15:45 |
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| shintaro | thank you ildikov for stopping by :) | 15:46 |
| serverascode | do we want to have a quick look at the poll jamemcc created? | 15:46 |
| ildikov | shintaro: I planned to do that already at the beginning of the meeting, but don't have an alert set in my calendar so I missed it... :/ | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | Actually I don't know whether we should open a doodle | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | or simply define the first slot | 15:47 |
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| serverascode | anyone have an opinion on that? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | emagana: could you please tell us whe is scheduled the next UC meeting? or what can be the next UC meeting we can use to make this first try ? | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | s/whe is/when is | 15:48 |
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| serverascode | not sure if this is right http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#User_Committee_Meeting | 15:49 |
| serverascode | but it says weekly, monday, 18:00 UTC | 15:50 |
| jamemcc | This is where I have been going to try to add tot he agenda and confirm date and time | 15:50 |
| jamemcc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so not sure whether emagana_ wants to schedule a specific meeting (but they it can become a nightmare to get a slot across the different IRC channels) or if we want to leverage the UC slot. | 15:50 |
| jamemcc | I believe it needs to be changed to June 5 | 15:51 |
| ildikov | ad_rien_: I think we should have enough meeting channels | 15:51 |
| emagana_ | The wiki is right | 15:51 |
| emagana_ | Those are our weekly UC IRC meetings | 15:51 |
| ildikov | ad_rien_: but we can agree on the next step on the next UC meeting | 15:51 |
| emagana_ | eveybody is welcome to attend | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | hmmm | 15:51 |
| ildikov | emagana_: I planned this Monday and then I realized it's a US holiday, when I saw it's canceled :) | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | I think the goal is to 1./ contact everyone on the MLs to invite all WG chairs to join a specific meeting. | 15:52 |
| emagana_ | I wont be able to attend next Monday meeting but please, coordinate with either mrhillsman shamail shilla or jon | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | so my question is what can be the date? jamemcc opened a doodle (thanks jamemcc) | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | but the slots, which have been proposed, do not correspond to the UC meetings. | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | so I'm a bit lost :-P | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:53 |
| serverascode | my impression of what we discussed so far was that it would be a "special meeting" and we would have to figure out a time | 15:54 |
| serverascode | but I don't know how we would figure out a time/date | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | time/date/IRC channel | 15:54 |
| jamemcc | I think sending out the doodle to gather times (and people) is a good move. And at the same time we should rbing this to the next UC meeting as it's more the propoer place for the discussion. | 15:54 |
| shintaro | UC weekly is not Asia friendly, but jamemcc proposed slot that may fit for all US/Europe/Asia | 15:54 |
| ildikov | I usually create a Doodle including all one hour slots for a week in UTC and see whether we have at least one lucky one where most of the people are around | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's keep an eye on jamemcc's doodle | 15:55 |
| jamemcc | After we see results of the doodle for a few days and have the UC discusion tehn we can settle on a new time for UC if desired - perhaps only for the monthy as well as a new time for the Operators Telco NFV. | 15:55 |
| ildikov | all those three are hard to cover with one slot | 15:55 |
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| ildikov | I'm personally flexible with weird hours, but we will see how things go | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | serverascode: 17:56 ? | 15:56 |
| serverascode | yeah 4 min left :) | 15:56 |
| serverascode | ok anyone strongly opposed to what jamemcc metioned above? put out the poll as is, see how it goes, attend next UC meeting to discuss? | 15:57 |
| emagana_ | So, in summary the idea is to find a time for everybody every three or four weeks to discuss cross functional activities. Because the meeting may end up in a not so friendly time for some of us, it should be still fine because it is just once every month | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | emagana_: +1 | 15:57 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:57 |
| serverascode | yup | 15:58 |
| ildikov | serverascode: +1 | 15:58 |
| ildikov | emagana_: +1 | 15:58 |
| emagana_ | looking forward to see the results from the poll jamemcc | 15:58 |
| emagana_ | take care folks, moving on to my next meeting | 15:58 |
| serverascode | thanks emagana | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | same here. | 15:58 |
| shintaro | have a good vacation emagana | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks serverascode | 15:58 |
| emagana_ | And again, everybody is welcome to the UC IRC meeting on Mondays! | 15:58 |
| serverascode | ok, well, I think that conlcludes our meeting today :) | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | for chairing the discussion | 15:58 |
| emagana_ | shintaro: Thanks! | 15:59 |
| serverascode | we will push the two things we had onto the next meeting | 15:59 |
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| serverascode | thanks everyone! | 15:59 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:59 |
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| serverascode | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 15:59:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-05-31-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-05-31-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2017/operators_telco_nfv.2017-05-31-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 31 15:59:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:59 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:00 |
| inc0 | #topic w00t for Kolla! | 16:00 |
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| spsurya_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| berendt | o/ | 16:00 |
| rwellum | w00t | 16:00 |
| jascott1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| spsurya_ | w00t | 16:00 |
| berendt | Woot | 16:00 |
| inc0 | we need to make video in one of summits where everyone in community will shout w00t;) | 16:00 |
| inc0 | (yes, with zeros) | 16:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 16:00 |
| berendt | Great idea. | 16:00 |
| duonghq | wo0t o/ | 16:00 |
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| egonzalez | woot! | 16:01 |
| inc0 | lets give few more minutes | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:02 |
| inc0 | ok let's get to business | 16:03 |
| TxGirlGeek | w00t!! | 16:03 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | 1. new resolution from TC was proposed that will directly affect us | 16:03 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469265/ this resolution will provide guidelines for publishing images to dockerhub/quay.io | 16:03 |
| inc0 | I encourage everyone to read it carefully and provide feedback | 16:04 |
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| * krtaylor looks | 16:04 | |
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| berendt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469265 | 16:04 |
| inc0 | thanks Christian | 16:04 |
| inc0 | so, on that note we'll kick off this whole project of publishing, so if anyone wants to contribute, I'd appreciate help | 16:05 |
| inc0 | there is a lot of cool code to be written;) | 16:05 |
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| inc0 | 2. I haven't done this last week (since I was out), but I would like to congratulate Bertrand and welcome him to core team:) | 16:06 |
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| sdake | grats! | 16:06 |
| inc0 | any community announcements? | 16:06 |
| sdake | question - is the ptg eventprint page up? | 16:06 |
| inc0 | I haven't heard anything yet | 16:07 |
| sdake | thanks | 16:07 |
| inc0 | ok, let's move on | 16:07 |
| sdake | need to book travel before the checkwriters change their minds :) | 16:07 |
| sdake | can you ask around inc0? | 16:07 |
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| inc0 | check with ttx, he was one who gave me link last time;) | 16:08 |
| inc0 | or I can do it | 16:08 |
| inc0 | anyway, let's move on | 16:08 |
| inc0 | #topic bp/ansible-specific-task-become (duonghq) | 16:08 |
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| inc0 | duonghq: go ahead | 16:08 |
| duonghq | inc0, thanks, but I don't remember that I register this topic for this meeting, but, I still need more suggestion for the bp | 16:09 |
| duonghq | only 3ps | 16:10 |
| duonghq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398682/ | 16:10 |
| duonghq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398684/ | 16:10 |
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| duonghq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398685/ | 16:10 |
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| duonghq | inc0, I saw you comment on 2nd ps, can you re-review that? | 16:11 |
| inc0 | sure | 16:11 |
| duonghq | especially about gate in 2nd ps | 16:11 |
| inc0 | I'll wait for neutron to get fixed tho | 16:11 |
| inc0 | it's critical that this ps gets gate coverage | 16:11 |
| duonghq | sorry, I don't get your point | 16:12 |
| inc0 | duonghq: neutron bug makes our gates red' | 16:12 |
| duonghq | you mean the rolling update one? | 16:12 |
| duonghq | got it | 16:12 |
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| inc0 | ok, anything else Duong on this topic? | 16:13 |
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| duonghq | I'm done, thank you | 16:13 |
| inc0 | #topic nova cell instabilities (rwellum) | 16:13 |
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| inc0 | rwellum: you have the floor | 16:13 |
| rwellum | Yes thanks - just a question: These micro-services were added to a service recently: nova-cell0-create-db-job and nova-api-create-simple-cell-job. For me nova seems unstable - takes a lot longer in kubernetes for the pods to stabilize. Curious if anyone else is seeing this, and if I should write a bug? | 16:13 |
| inc0 | rwellum: ocata nova requires cell0 setup | 16:14 |
| inc0 | and this is whole new database and such | 16:14 |
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| rwellum | Yes but I was adding them as micro-services - and it worked fine. | 16:15 |
| rwellum | As long as the order was correct etc. | 16:15 |
| inc0 | kfox1111 around? | 16:15 |
| rwellum | I think sdake mentioned he was suspicious about the change. | 16:16 |
| sdake | rwellum i think that change is broken | 16:16 |
| rwellum | ah | 16:16 |
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| inc0 | I guess we need to un-break it then;) | 16:16 |
| sdake | inc0 i dont know how | 16:16 |
| sdake | inc0 its a circular dependency issue | 16:16 |
| sdake | it works in the gate because the gate spams the operations | 16:16 |
| inc0 | mhm | 16:16 |
| sdake | when done manually it will not work reliably | 16:17 |
| inc0 | I see | 16:17 |
| sdake | my best recommendation would be to revert the change | 16:17 |
| inc0 | ok, publish a bug, mark it critical and let's work to fix it? | 16:17 |
| rwellum | sdake: even for kolla-ansible? | 16:17 |
| sdake | rwellum i dont follow for kolla-ansible | 16:17 |
| sdake | kolla-ansible syncronizees in the correct order | 16:17 |
| rwellum | got it | 16:17 |
| sdake | kolla-kubernetes has no such synchronization | 16:17 |
| inc0 | rwellum: kolla ansible doesn't have this issue | 16:17 |
| inc0 | sdake: change dependency order in entrypoint? | 16:18 |
| sdake | cell0 must be registered after the placement api | 16:18 |
| sdake | inc0 unfortunately i think that wont work either | 16:18 |
| inc0 | why | 16:18 |
| sdake | as cell0 is optinoal | 16:18 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:18 |
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| sdake | and entrypoint doesn't support optionals | 16:18 |
| inc0 | oh joy | 16:19 |
| sdake | sorry conditonal | 16:19 |
| sdake | (the stuff jascott1 added) | 16:19 |
| sdake | the bestsolution i have is to make another service chart specifically for cell registration | 16:19 |
| inc0 | it's ugly | 16:19 |
| sdake | this is why the dream of helm install kolla-kubernetes is just a dream atm :) | 16:19 |
| inc0 | ok, let's discuss it with Kevin and Serguey when they're back | 16:20 |
| sdake | soundsgood | 16:20 |
| sdake | i've brought it up prior | 16:20 |
| sdake | "it works in the gate, nothign wrong" | 16:20 |
| sdake | hard to argue against... | 16:20 |
| inc0 | maybe it's good time to ditch entrypoint and write it ourselves | 16:20 |
| jascott1 | :) | 16:20 |
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| sdake | +100 | 16:20 |
| rwellum | sdake: meantime a bug as inc0 suggested? | 16:20 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:21 |
| sdake | rwellum i guess - although kolla-kubernetes not really using bugs atm | 16:21 |
| sdake | although sould be | 16:21 |
| inc0 | good time to start | 16:21 |
| sdake | implementation is mature enough for it | 16:21 |
| sdake | would be nice to have sbezverk and kofx here for that discusison | 16:21 |
| inc0 | entrypoint shouldn't be too hard to write (if we do it in python that is) | 16:21 |
| sdake | agreed and we would have more control over the changes | 16:22 |
| rwellum | I'll hunt them down and get them involved. | 16:22 |
| sdake | it seems to me that the entyrpoint upstream is dead | 16:22 |
| sdake | (i could be wrong, this is just my perception) | 16:22 |
| inc0 | it is | 16:22 |
| sdake | we shouldn't base any deps on a dead upstream imo | 16:22 |
| sdake | no security, no mainteannce, no enhancements, etc | 16:23 |
| inc0 | ok, let's get cracking on our new entrypoint...and for f* sake call it something else;) | 16:23 |
| jascott1 | haha | 16:23 |
| inc0 | k8s dep resolver or whatever | 16:23 |
| sdake | need someone to write the code | 16:23 |
| rwellum | covfefe? | 16:24 |
| inc0 | covfefe +1 | 16:24 |
| sdake | i am maxed out on capacity | 16:24 |
| sdake | so i cna't do it :) | 16:24 |
| inc0 | jascott1? you and me? | 16:24 |
| jascott1 | sure | 16:24 |
| sdake | personally I htink the approach we should use for the short term is to get a deploy workign with microcharts | 16:24 |
| inc0 | I could use some python programming for a change;) | 16:24 |
| sdake | inc0 that sounds good to me :) | 16:24 |
| sdake | however a microchart approach has a short runway | 16:25 |
| inc0 | we still need proper dep resolution | 16:25 |
| sdake | we can do that in an ansible workflow wrapped in a container based on microcharts | 16:25 |
| inc0 | so make it work ugly asap and we'll get crackin' on covfefe-resolver | 16:25 |
| sdake | and then improve it to service charts next | 16:25 |
| rwellum | inc0: +1 :) | 16:26 |
| sdake | i am also not convinced about entrypoint's ordering | 16:26 |
| sdake | as you know inc0 many openstack services require upgrade in a specific order | 16:26 |
| sdake | entrypoint - who knows what happens ;) | 16:26 |
| inc0 | sdake: all ordering can be managed by proper dependency modelling | 16:26 |
| sdake | whereas a microchart approach - ordering is forced | 16:26 |
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| inc0 | I wanted to rewrite heat to use this algorithm | 16:27 |
| inc0 | microchart has no ordering whatsoever unless manually | 16:27 |
| sdake | there would need to be two orderings -one for deploy and one for upgrade | 16:27 |
| sdake | i think they are different - but not certain | 16:27 |
| inc0 | covfefe-resolver is microchart orchiestration tool | 16:27 |
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| inc0 | jascott1 another idea, don't you think that would make awesome addition to tiller? | 16:28 |
| jascott1 | interesting idea | 16:28 |
| inc0 | since it already manages dependency, just doing this naively | 16:28 |
| inc0 | let's grab technosophos later and discuss that | 16:28 |
| sdake | not familiar wtih the helm code - don't know how long that effort would take | 16:28 |
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| sdake | i'd like to get to the point poeple can deploy in the next 3-4 weeks :) | 16:29 |
| rwellum | It deploys - those pods just flap around like crazy a few times :) | 16:29 |
| sdake | rwellum by deploy - i mean error-free | 16:30 |
| rwellum | Aha | 16:30 |
| rwellum | Ok well that was it from me - glad that sdake sees it too. | 16:31 |
| sdake | rwellum yup i knew when that went it it wouldn't work :) | 16:31 |
| rwellum | Did you +1 then? | 16:31 |
| sdake | gate was green. | 16:31 |
| inc0 | #action inc0 and jascott1 to figure it out;) | 16:31 |
| sdake | shows the gate is imperfect | 16:31 |
| rwellum | I missed the review unfortunately | 16:32 |
| inc0 | it's never perfect | 16:32 |
| inc0 | ok anything else? | 16:32 |
| sdake | rwellum can you submit a revert patch for that change plz | 16:32 |
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| rwellum | sdake: sure | 16:32 |
| sdake | rwellum thx :) | 16:32 |
| inc0 | ok moving on:) | 16:33 |
| sdake | one last thing | 16:33 |
| inc0 | go ahead | 16:33 |
| sdake | (oh its related to mariadb) | 16:33 |
| sdake | dont' have agenda open - we can tackle it at end | 16:33 |
| inc0 | yeah, it's open discussion now | 16:34 |
| sdake | ok | 16:34 |
| inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:34 |
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| sdake | here is plan for mariadb | 16:34 |
| sdake | 1. backport sean's pin of mariadb ot stable/ocata | 16:34 |
| sdake | s we don't want to upgrade mariadb in stable branches | 16:34 |
| sdake | 2. use mariadb from rdo (which includes galera and xtrabackup-v2) | 16:35 |
| sdake | this allows us to eject the percona and mariadb repos for centos | 16:35 |
| inc0 | just to be clear, we're only talking about centos right? | 16:35 |
| sdake | and gets us on a well maintained version of mariadb | 16:35 |
| sdake | yes just centos | 16:35 |
| sdake | i don't know what ot do about ubuntu as i dont have it installed | 16:35 |
| inc0 | pinning versions will only work if we make security updates work | 16:35 |
| sdake | 1 is already done | 16:35 |
| sdake | ya everytime I see a pin I die a little inside | 16:36 |
| inc0 | you must be pretty dead inside sdake then | 16:36 |
| egonzalez | btw, just checked and mariadb included missing packages for 10.0 | 16:36 |
| sdake | inc0 souless :( | 16:36 |
| sdake | egonzalez for which distro? | 16:36 |
| egonzalez | centos | 16:36 |
| egonzalez | https://yum.mariadb.org/10.0.30/centos7-amd64/rpms/ | 16:37 |
| inc0 | ah so they fixed their repo upstream? | 16:37 |
| sdake | inc0 no, there is no security updates on 10.0.30 that i know of | 16:37 |
| rwellum | sdake: what are they symptoms of the mariadb issue? | 16:37 |
| sdake | inc0 although thatis pure speculation | 16:37 |
| sdake | rwellum stable/ocata wasn't building | 16:37 |
| rwellum | ah ok ty | 16:37 |
| inc0 | well, I'm saying is 10.0.* not 10.0.30 | 16:37 |
| sdake | egonzalez 10.0 doesn't work right? | 16:38 |
| egonzalez | -w the backport pin change | 16:38 |
| inc0 | https://yum.mariadb.org/10.0/centos/7.3/x86_64/rpms/ we have packages for 10.0.31 | 16:38 |
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| egonzalez | sdake, shoudl work now | 16:39 |
| sdake | cool so we can unpin? | 16:39 |
| egonzalez | yep | 16:39 |
| inc0 | also if it's fix, let's unpin master | 16:39 |
| inc0 | fixed | 16:39 |
| sdake | inc0 agreed | 16:39 |
| inc0 | cool, I'm glad | 16:39 |
| sdake | inc0 although stable/ocata wasn't building | 16:39 |
| sdake | and it was unpinned | 16:39 |
| inc0 | sdake: let's try now | 16:39 |
| sdake | and i rechecked 30 minutes ago | 16:39 |
| inc0 | right | 16:40 |
| egonzalez | i rechecked a change now, lets see.. | 16:40 |
| sdake | egonzalez the 10.0.30 pin went into stable/ocata | 16:40 |
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| egonzalez | was not merged, -workflow the change | 16:41 |
| sdake | i think the course of action that make sense is to revert the pin that sean produced, and see if the gate blows up on master | 16:41 |
| sdake | and then replace it later with rdo mariadb | 16:41 |
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| sdake | sounds like new coure of action is | 16:42 |
| sdake | 1) unpin master | 16:42 |
| sdake | 2) backport unpin if it works | 16:42 |
| sdake | 3) replace master mariadb with rdo version | 16:42 |
| sdake | also could use some mariadb nerds to help wti hthe rdo transition | 16:44 |
| sdake | the extend_start.sh script is busted in master | 16:44 |
| sdake | it never wroked | 16:44 |
| sdake | could be why ubuntu packaging doesn't work as well | 16:45 |
| sdake | anyway thats it - need help with mariadb plz :) | 16:45 |
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| inc0 | right | 16:45 |
| inc0 | can we wrap up? | 16:45 |
| duonghq | o/ | 16:46 |
| duonghq | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+spec/enable-osprofiler | 16:46 |
| inc0 | thank you all for coming! | 16:46 |
| inc0 | ah | 16:46 |
| inc0 | sorry | 16:46 |
| inc0 | I thought you were waving goodbye;) | 16:46 |
| duonghq | :P, my fault | 16:46 |
| duonghq | will we make the bp in P? | 16:47 |
| duonghq | I think it's not a complicated bp, but interesting one | 16:47 |
| inc0 | do we want to make it default yes? | 16:47 |
| duonghq | egonzalez's one | 16:47 |
| inc0 | is there anything bad that could happen from enabling it? | 16:47 |
| duonghq | yeah, it's resource hungry | 16:48 |
| duonghq | so it should be turned off by default | 16:48 |
| inc0 | ok | 16:48 |
| duonghq | but easy to turn on | 16:48 |
| egonzalez | i would say this change makes more sense for devs with pbourke_'s devstack change | 16:48 |
| egonzalez | maybe for gates to have a better view of how resources work | 16:48 |
| duonghq | tracing is quite hot topic nowaday, not only for dev :) | 16:49 |
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| duonghq | but osprofiler has some interesting features in its design, we should choose some for implement or try to implement all of this? | 16:50 |
| duonghq | i.e. different hmac_key for different "trace path" | 16:50 |
| inc0 | btw if it's resource hungry, that's actually good candidate to be rewritten in golang | 16:50 |
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| inc0 | golang would totally shine in this use case | 16:51 |
| egonzalez | is resource hungry because need elasticsearch or all metering services to store traces | 16:51 |
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| duonghq | yep | 16:52 |
| duonghq | but the main point I want to discuss is will we implement all of its nice option, or just some for beginning then improve latter | 16:52 |
| duonghq | any ideas? | 16:53 |
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| inc0 | I'd split it into multiple patchsets if that's what you're asking | 16:53 |
| inc0 | easier to merge/review | 16:53 |
| egonzalez | what you mean of nice option? | 16:53 |
| duonghq | i.e. HMAC_KEY | 16:53 |
| duonghq | egonzalez, in your implementation, you use only one HMAC_KEY, | 16:53 |
| duonghq | but osprofiler let we ultilize HMAC_KEY as kind of path chooser | 16:54 |
| duonghq | I mean the path which osprofiler will trace in whole request processing sequence | 16:54 |
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| duonghq | also, we have some caveat for consider, | 16:55 |
| duonghq | cannot recall right now | 16:55 |
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| duonghq | but, summerize: they have option to let user configure tracing quite flexible | 16:56 |
| duonghq | anw, our time is running out? | 16:56 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:56 |
| inc0 | I'll wrap it up:) | 16:56 |
| inc0 | thank you all for coming! | 16:56 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 31 16:56:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-05-31-15.59.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-05-31-15.59.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-05-31-15.59.log.html | 16:57 |
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