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| rosmaita | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, alex_bash | 13:59 |
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| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 14:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| rosmaita | kind of quiet in here this morning | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | hello dharinic | 14:00 |
| dharinic | Good Morning rosmaita | 14:01 |
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| alex_bash | o/ | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | hi alex | 14:01 |
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| stevelle | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jokke__ | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | ok, guess we can get started | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | i'm starting with general openstack updates anyway | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| rosmaita | #topic update - R release naming | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update - R release naming (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:04 | |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114436.html | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | that email give you the info about the rules | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | so if you'd like to be immortalized, you can suggest an R name and maybe make the cut for the big vote | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | that's all about that | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | #topic update - quotas action | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update - quotas action (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:05 | |
| rosmaita | this is for awareness of what's happening right now | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | sean dague has proposed a "unified limits" conceptual spec | 14:06 |
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| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114230.html | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | that email gives some info | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | key things are: | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | aiming for 2-week comment cycle so that it will be clear whether this can happen in Pike or not | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | and, comments close 30 March | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | here's the actual spec link | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440815/ | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i think nikhil is the glancer most interested in this, but i don't seem him around atm | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | anyway, the quotas work will eventually impact glance, so take a look at the spec if you want to provide input on the ground floor | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | #topic update - log messages | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update - log messages (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:08 | |
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| rosmaita | in case you haven't followed the discussion on the ML, log messages are no longer translated | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | there's a patch up to remove the _L* from glance code: | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/447970 | 14:09 |
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| jokke__ | so I have to admit, I haven't followed ... is this permanent? | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | the rationale for removal is that most people google log messages to figure out what they mean | 14:09 |
| jokke__ | as those translation rules seems to change every second cycle | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | so keeping them all in english means less fragmentation and better results | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | jokke__: good point | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | i believe this is meant to be permanent | 14:10 |
| alex_bash | I also thought the discussion was still ongoing | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | but i was wondering whether it would be better to make the _L* no-ops instead of removing | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | but it would make the coder harder to read | 14:11 |
| jokke__ | yeah, that has been discussed a lot exactly for that reason and the rationale has always been that the localization people have been super agains that specially around the more dominant languages | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | though, no harder than it is presently | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | alex_bash: i thought it had concluded, but maybe not | 14:11 |
| alex_bash | rosmaita: you mean redefine them ourselves or within i18n? | 14:11 |
| jokke__ | lets hold off with that patch, please ... I have a look on that discussion and probe for more info if needed | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | there are refs to the ML in the commit message of that patch | 14:12 |
| jokke__ | cheers | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | ok, that's a good idea | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita determine actual status of i18n for log messages | 14:12 |
| stevelle | I endorse this action | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i'll put a note on the patch to that effect | 14:12 |
| stevelle | translating logs was always flawed for this reason but let's be sure | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | alex_bash: i was thinking within glance for the _L* no-ops | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i must admit | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | my reading of the discussion was that it was trending to non-translation | 14:13 |
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| rosmaita | and then i saw the patch and figured it was a done deal | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | but that was an inference, not a fact | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | so i will check | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | and report back next week | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | ok, jokke__ , make sure you are seated comfortably before the next one | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | #update - microversioning in glance | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | oops | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #topic update - microversioning in glance | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update - microversioning in glance (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:15 | |
| rosmaita | i need to write some macros or something | 14:15 |
| jokke__ | oh this is quick topic ;) | 14:15 |
| jokke__ | -2 ... neext | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | draft API compatibility/stability "guidelines" (actually requirements for asserting the proposed 'assert:supports-api-compatibility' tag | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | changes will require version changes, and the only acceptable versioning scheme satisfying the guidelines is microversions | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | so, without microversions | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | we either don't make changes | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | or don't assert the tag | 14:16 |
| stevelle | so I really love what Graham has been saying on that guideline | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: tell us more, i haven't looked in about a week | 14:17 |
| stevelle | I want glance to work toward the tag by simply not changing the API | 14:17 |
| stevelle | Graham is suggesting the alternative to microversions is "stop changing stuff" | 14:17 |
| stevelle | when an API goes into Supported, no changes as all | 14:17 |
| jokke__ | rosmaita: so easy, we don't assert the tag | 14:17 |
| jokke__ | ;) | 14:17 |
| stevelle | when it's time to change that resource, you make a new version and he is trying to carve space for experimental apis | 14:18 |
| hemanthm | I haven't read that stuff yet, but what's a "change" here? | 14:18 |
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| stevelle | hemanthm: anything that can be seen is a change | 14:18 |
| mugsie | stevelle: well, not quite - but we shouild get api's right before saying users can rely on them | 14:18 |
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| rosmaita | change to url, change to resource representation, change to response codes, etc | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | basically, anything | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | that you can see through the api | 14:18 |
| hemanthm | a bug fix too? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | yep | 14:19 |
| jokke__ | mugsie: o/ ... totally agree on that one ;) | 14:19 |
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| rosmaita | only serious security ones will be allowed | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | so basically, all our ocata changes are impossible under the guideline | 14:19 |
| stevelle | I agree mugsie, which is why I'm enthusiastic about that line of discussion on the guideline | 14:19 |
| jokke__ | yeah, I'm just happy not asserting that tag | 14:19 |
| jokke__ | for now | 14:19 |
| mugsie | yeah - I hope people come on board to back me up :) | 14:19 |
| jokke__ | lets say next 6 or 7 cycles | 14:19 |
| mugsie | comments welcome | 14:20 |
| stevelle | my hope is that Glance can bundle intended API changes for 2y at a time and just increment major versions | 14:20 |
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| rosmaita | i had a bunch of early comments, but have really nothing more to say | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | just want this to be a point of information for everyone to cogitate upon | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | and as mugsie points out, leave comments if you have an opinion | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | any other comments about that? | 14:22 |
| hemanthm | I do but I don't want to derail the meeting :) | 14:22 |
| stevelle | maybe we can discuss in #openstack-glance after this | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | ok, hold 'em for open discussion | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | or what stevelle said | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving along, last update | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | #topic update - farewell to Ian | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update - farewell to Ian (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114462.html | 14:23 |
| jcook | =( | 14:23 |
| hemanthm | -2 | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus is moving on | 14:23 |
| dharinic | :( | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | yes, i am bummed, too | 14:23 |
| * stevelle is now an abandoned change set | 14:23 | |
| sigmavirus | =/ | 14:24 |
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| sigmavirus | I'm not thrilled either, but c'est la vie | 14:24 |
| hemanthm | All the very best to you! | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: thank you for all your service to glance, you will be missed a lot! | 14:25 |
| dharinic | Glance was so much fun and lively with sigmavirus/roosevirus around. | 14:25 |
| stevelle | fair speed and don't take any wooden nickels, sigmavirus | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | and as ttx pointed out, openstack expects to expand to encompass the entire universe of software, so we should meet again | 14:26 |
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| dharinic | Thank you for all the motivation sigmavirus. All the best. :) | 14:26 |
| jokke__ | sigmavirus: I was afraid this will come | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita++ | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | but, the sad departure of sigmavirus does leave us with some holes to fill | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | #topic volunteers and responsibilities | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "volunteers and responsibilities (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:26 | |
| sigmavirus | y'all better step up... or else... my Rooseghost will haunt y'all | 14:26 |
| * stevelle hides | 14:27 | |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-volunteers | 14:27 |
| jokke__ | sigmavirus: Thanks a million and keep in touch! If we ever land to same area, lets get drunk as ducks. ;) | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | i didn't realize ducks were big drinkers | 14:27 |
| hemanthm | me neither | 14:27 |
| jokke__ | rosmaita: they are not, thus they get very drunk ;) | 14:27 |
| * hemanthm was about to google drunk ducks | 14:27 | |
| rosmaita | jokke__: thanks, that explains it | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | ok, please open that etherpad | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i've asked hemanthm to become release czar | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | ian's departure also leaves an opening on glance coresec | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | for which i propose stevelle | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i have a question about stable branch liason | 14:29 |
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| rosmaita | which i think jokke__ is answering "live" on the etherpad | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | ok, great | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i like having different ptl - release czar - and stable branch people | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | i think it keeps a healthy balance of opinions on impacting issues | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | ok, cool | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | alex_bash is doing documentation | 14:31 |
| * jokke__ is still also part of the glance release team, and happy to keep it so and help out | 14:31 | |
| rosmaita | asettle has enhanced the expections of the docs liason, so he'll be busy | 14:31 |
| jokke__ | I've been following the OS release side pretty closely anyways | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | jokke__: great, you will provide some continuity | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | key unfilled slots are: infra, which i am filling in for now, but i'm open to let someone else take over | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | key thing about infra CPL is that the infra team wants a +1 from infra CPL before they approve changes | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | so that slot *must* be filled | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | but i'll do it for now | 14:33 |
| jokke__ | for that, I'm not willing to step in :P | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | i was thinking of volunteering dharinic for oslo CPL | 14:33 |
| jokke__ | Voluntold :) | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | since she has some commits into oslo | 14:33 |
| dharinic | I would love that. :) | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: that's great if you are serious, i don't want to make you do it | 14:34 |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: you already did :) | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | well, i meant it to be a hint | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i used the wrong font, i guess | 14:34 |
| dharinic | I was serious. | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | it all looks alike in irc! | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | dharinic: great, happy to have you do that | 14:35 |
| dharinic | I have contributed to oslo and would love to do this. | 14:35 |
| dharinic | Thanks for volunteering me rosmaita | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | everyone: please review the expectations on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:35 |
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| rosmaita | OK, a key unfilled CPL is QA | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | but we can look for someone later on that | 14:36 |
| jokke__ | hehe | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | my thought is that once everyone is confirmed, i will move this etherpad into the priorities for pike page in teh specs repo, which i'll put up after the spec freeze | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | which reminds me, the spec proposal freeze is soon | 14:37 |
| jokke__ | that will be fun position to take on ... it's shame sigmavirus is leaving ... would love to have his character dealing with them ;) | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:37 |
| hemanthm | jokke__: I think you're a good character fit too :P | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | #info spec proposal freeze - patch with spec must be up before 13:59 UTC on Thursday 30 March 2017 | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving on | 14:38 |
| jokke__ | hemanthm: _if_ I would understand anything about testing :P | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | #topic "owned" topics reports | 14:38 |
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| rosmaita | ok, dharinic has been active on removing deprecated options | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm has a patch up for E-m-C docs | 14:39 |
| dharinic | here is my update | 14:39 |
| dharinic | The important opt: “show_multiple_locations”. We would be removing it in favor of RBAC (Role Based Access Control) from policy.json. nikhil, rosmaita and I had some discussions on few combinations for the property rules and nikhil will be putting up a spec for it. | 14:39 |
| dharinic | I have a patch up with code changes for one such combination for review and opinions (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444540/) | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | thank you | 14:39 |
| dharinic | Another set of opts was the swift store auth opts like “swift_store_auth_address”, “swift_store_user” etc. There were to be removed in favor of reading related information from the swift store config file. This requires considerable code change with respect to swift store in multi-tenant mode (we are currently not allowing a swift conf file to be given if multi-tenant mode is on). I am working on this and will | 14:40 |
| jokke__ | dharinic: just a reminder ... do we have the policy options in place for the multiple locations yet? | 14:40 |
| dharinic | I assume we do not need a spec/lite-spec for this ^ | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | nikhil said he'd have a patch up soon for the removal spec, not sure if it's there yet, though i did see an early draft on an etherpad | 14:40 |
| dharinic | jokke__: Currently they are open. | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: for the swift-opts, you mean? | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | jokke__: yes, we have policies, but the default is "" | 14:41 |
| dharinic | rosmaita: yeah, i meant spec/lite-sepc fopr swift auth opts. | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | it's a problem, as you'll see from nikhil 's spec | 14:41 |
| dharinic | for the show_multiple_locations, nikhil will be putting up a patch soon | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: were they the ones i said do release notes first? | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | (i am not fully caffeinated this morning) | 14:42 |
| jokke__ | ok ... so we need to document the change well in release notes and make sure we do not open that up by anyone upgrading | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | jokke__: exactly! | 14:42 |
| dharinic | yes rosmaita. I have the release note: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448316/ | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: ty | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | so, instead of a lite spec, i asked dharinic to put up the release note | 14:42 |
| rosmaita | we can review it to see what hte impact looks like | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | hopefully, won;t need a spec, but i haven't looked yet | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | #action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448316/ | 14:43 |
| dharinic | please feel free to help me edit the release note for the swift store auth opts. Wordings are not great.. Want to make sure things are conveyed correctly. | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448316/ | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | jokke__: i owe you reviews on your patches | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | i intend to go offline and do nothing but that this afternoon | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | go to get you unblocked | 14:44 |
| dharinic | And the last opt which i also started work on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447172/ | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks to all the "owners" for keeping things moving! | 14:44 |
| jokke__ | rosmaita: cheers ... there is some gate failures still down in that chain I haven't been able to figure out ... any help would be great | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | next topic is a fun one, show and tell | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | #topic docs update -- discuss for 5 minutes and then we will vote | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | Shinya Kawabata has a POC patch up for improving one of our docs pages, which right now is really hard to read because of the way the options and there descriptions are all jammed in together | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | he put together a POC giving us 2 options | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | so please opent the next link in your browser: | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/80/423880/6/check/gate-glance-docs-ubuntu-xenial/628a2af//doc/build/html/configuring.html | 14:46 |
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| rosmaita | options: headings ("Configuring multiple swift accounts/stores") vs. definition list ("Configuring the RBD storage backend") | 14:46 |
| stevelle | and this patch is a rework before the lift and shift of this section to the proper place in openstack-manuals, right? | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | correct | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | this is a readability issue on this page | 14:46 |
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| rosmaita | so, if you open that page | 14:47 |
| hemanthm | I like the latter | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | look at the OTC in the left bar | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | i mean the TOC | 14:47 |
| stevelle | that readability issue will be fixed by `git rm` :) | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | not a choice atm, though | 14:48 |
| alex_bash | +1 #2 | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | ok, so the problem is that the options have bullets and it's hard to see what description goes with what option | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | so the http://docs-draft.openstack.org/80/423880/6/check/gate-glance-docs-ubuntu-xenial/628a2af//doc/build/html/configuring.html#configuring-multiple-swift-accounts-stores | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | makes each option a heading | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | pro: it also shows up in the TOC | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | con: it's going to fill up the TOC when all these are headings | 14:49 |
| stevelle | I prefer the "multiple swift " formatting but I would love to see the option titles bolded or bumped in size one step | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | but, it does make stuff easy to find | 14:49 |
| jokke__ | rosmaita: please no :( | 14:49 |
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| rosmaita | ok, other option is like the RBD | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | a simple definition list | 14:50 |
| jokke__ | that toc becomes totally unusable if we make every option being heading and crapping it out | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/80/423880/6/check/gate-glance-docs-ubuntu-xenial/628a2af//doc/build/html/configuring.html#configuring-the-rbd-storage-backend | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | jokke__: that's my worry too | 14:50 |
| stevelle | there should be a way to limit the depth of the toc | 14:50 |
| hemanthm | Yes, TOC won't be TOC any more with all the noise | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: there is, we can keep stuff out of the toc | 14:50 |
| stevelle | if we can exclude those headings from toc that makes that formatting work | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | don't have control over the size without hacking the styles, though | 14:51 |
| jokke__ | it's already long as it is and if you're looking just for specific option and it's documentation you can always use search on that page | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | everyone ready to vote? | 14:51 |
| hemanthm | aye | 14:51 |
| stevelle | its the HRs that help for me, we could add HRs without the use of headings too | 14:51 |
| jokke__ | stevelle: ++ | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | hmmm ... i tend to not like HRs | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | i prefer the indentation like the RBD stuff | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | anyway, that's why we can vote and just go with the majority | 14:52 |
| jokke__ | rosmaita: that is more pythonic tbh | 14:52 |
| rosmaita | believe it or not this is my first vote, so let | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | 's see what happens | 14:53 |
| jokke__ | but the question is which one is more convenient for the non-developer reader | 14:53 |
| stevelle | so many questions, jokke__ | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | #startvote (how to markup the config page) ? headings, definition-list | 14:53 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: (how to markup the config page) ? Valid vote options are headings, definition-list. | 14:53 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:53 |
| jokke__ | stevelle: information is key to right decisions | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | #vote definition-list | 14:53 |
| hemanthm | #vote definition-list | 14:54 |
| jokke__ | #vote definition-list | 14:54 |
| dharinic | <dl> | 14:54 |
| stevelle | #vote definition-list | 14:54 |
| dharinic | #vote definition-list | 14:54 |
| * stevelle is swayed | 14:55 | |
| rosmaita | anyone else? | 14:55 |
| hemanthm | alex_bash: mentioned #2 earlier | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | alex_bash: ?? | 14:55 |
| alex_bash | option 2 has already carried, my vote is meaningless | 14:55 |
| alex_bash | I demand a recount | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | no vote is meaningless! | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | some just have less meaning than others | 14:56 |
| alex_bash | so that I can vote first | 14:56 |
| jokke__ | alex_bash: get your disagreement recorded if you have one so you can bitch about the "wrong" decision later ;) | 14:56 |
| stevelle | alex_bash: you're just reading the exit polls | 14:56 |
| alex_bash | #vote definition-list | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | #endvote | 14:56 |
| openstack | Voted on "(how to markup the config page) ?" Results are | 14:56 |
| openstack | definition-list (6): jokke__, dharinic, stevelle, alex_bash, hemanthm, rosmaita | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | and it appears to be stuck | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | anyway, it's a landslide for definition-list | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | ok, next topic | 14:57 |
| jokke__ | be quick ... we have 3 left | 14:57 |
| jokke__ | 3 min I mean | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | #topic technical debt - time bomb | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419074/ | 14:57 |
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| rosmaita | we merged that last week, and | 14:57 |
| rosmaita | tick, tick, boom: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448653/ | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | just a point of awareness | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | #topic - looking for owners | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | i'm going to solicit for these on the ML | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | both require some expertise we don't currently have, anyway | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | 50 seconds! | 14:59 |
| alex_bash | shameless own patch plug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436257/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436258/ were +A, but had to rebase because of the time bomb | 14:59 |
| alex_bash | so close | 14:59 |
| stevelle | more talk of api stability and other topics in glance channel | 14:59 |
| jokke__ | Thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | thanks! | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| hemanthm | Thanks rosmaita. Thanks everyone. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 15:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-23-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-03-23-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | morning | 15:02 |
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| rosmaita | sorry, i went 2 sec over with glance meeting | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | actually 4 sec | 15:03 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 15:03 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | i was 90 seconds late, so it all worked out | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | excellent! | 15:03 |
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| TravT | o/ | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | probably going to be a short one today | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Nova cells | 15:04 |
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| sjmc7 | I took a look through the list of implemented versioned notifications on https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/notifications.html#existing-versioned-notifications | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | The only one missing that we use is volume.[attach/detach] and i’m told someone is working on that now | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | I’m going to go through the payloads as well, but they look reasonably complete | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | and actually in many cases are much more complete than the unversioned ones | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | so we may get a two-for-one and reduce or remove the API calls we have to make | 15:06 |
| TravT | that's a positive | 15:06 |
| lei-zh | that's a good news | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. i’ll try to go through that more carefully when i can carve out 30 minutes to do it | 15:07 |
| gibi | sjmc7: attach is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401992/ | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | the actual change itself should be quite easy. i’m inclined to switch over to the versioned ones entirely if they provide additional benefits | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | thanks gibi. i’ll keep an eye on it | 15:08 |
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| sjmc7 | if we can keep the two handlers there with minimal differences in the data they emit, we’ll do that | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | i’m not going ot invest a lot of time making the outputs identical | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | and we’ll recommend people use versioned ones | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic Resource registration UI code | 15:12 |
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| sjmc7 | the only other thing i had on the agenda today was the work richard jones has been doing to move some code from searchlight-ui to horizon | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | he had some problems getting searchlight installed in devstack (I think because he was triyng to use elasticsearch 5) that i’ll work through with him, but it’ll be good to get that code moved out | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | i uploaded https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446620 to add elasticsearch 5 support | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | though the python-elasticsearch library will still be capped by global-requirements | 15:14 |
| TravT | hmm interesting. | 15:14 |
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| TravT | so did he get it working? | 15:14 |
| TravT | did he try es 2? | 15:14 |
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| sjmc7 | not sure, our time zones only overlap by an hour and he filed it last night | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | i’ve asked for clarification on https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1648255 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1648255 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "devstack plugin doesn't support elasticsearch 5.x" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ruslan Gustomyasov (rusik) | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | i didn’t really have much else for today. i was out for a long weekend and been busy with other stuff this week | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | #topic open discussion | 15:17 |
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| sjmc7 | did anyone else have anything they wanted to talk about? | 15:18 |
| TravT | no, not today | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | not me | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | (see, i am paying attention) | 15:18 |
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| rosmaita | (he says guiltily) | 15:19 |
| lei-zh | I've assigned wsgi deploy blueprint to me, have looked on how other projects did this | 15:19 |
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| sjmc7 | ah, yeah | 15:19 |
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| lei-zh | if there is no weird issue running in apache, should not be too hard to fix | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | ok. there shouldn’t be, but you never know | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | to run for development i guess you’d host it in gunicorn or something | 15:22 |
| lei-zh | we'd keep current api cmd for development and testing purpose, right | 15:24 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, if that’s what other projects have done | 15:24 |
| lei-zh | yeah | 15:25 |
| lei-zh | I'm finished | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | ok :) | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | if there’s nothing else, i’ll end it here and let people go to sleep | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | ok, thanks everyone! | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 15:28:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-23-15.01.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-03-23-15.01.txt | 15:28 |
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| evrardjp | hello everyone | 16:02 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:02 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:03 |
| palendae | Hello | 16:03 |
| evrardjp | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 16:03:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is evrardjp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:03 |
| evrardjp | The agenda for today is | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:04 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | Is there someone against the agenda for today? | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | or in english, everyone agrees with the topics? | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | :D | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | it looks like the agenda is the same as the last two weeks - we haven't cleaned up :/ | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | Yes. Let me clean that up. | 16:05 |
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| evrardjp | I propose we keep the topics for discussion, except the Operations guide that we'll skip for this time | 16:06 |
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| evrardjp | Ok let's assume the roll call is over, and everyone agrees | 16:07 |
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| evrardjp | PS: I miss asettle gifs. | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | so | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | lol | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:07 |
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| evrardjp | palendae will flip coins for names tomorrow for the python package ? | 16:07 |
| palendae | evrardjp: Chosen!\ | 16:08 |
| palendae | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418076/ | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | woot! | 16:08 |
| palendae | osa_toolkit | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418076/ | 16:08 |
| palendae | And hopefully we'll get a passing gate | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | good | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | gate passing will require that we have a general master passing gate, which we do not | 16:08 |
| palendae | odyssey4me: Ah. In that case, I'll just keep rebasing :) | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: let's talk about this in open discussion? | 16:09 |
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| palendae | Anyway, the name was chosen and in that review | 16:09 |
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| evrardjp | \o/ | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | tempest tests are failing, and no-one except andymccr has taken the time to look into it, but I think he's been swamped so volunteers to resolve it are welcome | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | ^ ^ ^ ^ | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | #action help andymccr to unblock gates | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | a general sha bump doesn't help because the powervm driver has an issue with incompatible requirements | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | that's on the way to being resolved | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | there is also work on ocata | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | cinder/tempest | 16:10 |
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| evrardjp | but let's talk about that later | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | first let's finish last week action points | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | #action andymccr to look into getting an on-boarding room at the summit | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | that's gonna be for next week. | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | ok next topic! | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | #topic Discussion - Operations guide | 16:11 |
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| evrardjp | asettle: being away let's skip this, except if someone wants to add something for her? | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | (only friendly messages are allowed) | 16:12 |
| palendae | I've nothing to add | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | nope, except that anyone able should keep reviewing and patching | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | ok, next topic | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | #topic Discussion - New periodic jobs | 16:12 |
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| evrardjp | odyssey4me: ? | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | it's running, it's failing for the same reason as the current master: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-openstack-ansible-upgrade-aio-master-ubuntu-xenial/e58e9cf/console.html#_2017-03-23_08_33_38_361490 | 16:13 |
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| odyssey4me | so basically the upgrade happens from ocata to master, there's nothing except a broken master stopping it from passing as far as I know | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | I was thinking of adding another test for newton->ocata - thoughts? | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | it has value for me | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | making sure we can upgrade to latest official stable is good. | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | ok, I'll push up the infra change to add it | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | once that's going right I'll do the mitaka->newton one too | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | that's fancy :) | 16:15 |
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| jmccrory | can you still get trusty image for mitaka-newton? | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | that will be a problem | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | if not now, it oculd | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | could* | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | same for N trusty | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory yeah, until mitaka's EOL'd that won't be an issue | 16:16 |
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| jmccrory | ok cool | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | in the meantime it's not a problem, so let's do it :) | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory logan- we need to revisit the upgrade improvements etherpad and figure out where to go with it | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | but that's another topic, this one is done :) | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | ok | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:17 |
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| evrardjp | odyssey4me: ? | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | releases will happen next week (which will be a minor version bump due to the repo build changes in Newton +) | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | the repo build changes necessitated a minor revision bump to signal it | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | that's a minor rev bump for newton and ocata | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | Integrated build is broken on master, but the sha bump PR should be fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448674/ - once the dependent patch merges and the SHA is bumped for nova-powervm. | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | We have some tempest issues in stable/ocata causing cinder jobs to fail, but the PR to bump tempest SHA in the role is broken atm (thinking about that I need to actually edit the tests repo instead – will fix quickly. | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | by 'I' it means andymccr :) I'm literally copying and pasting his update | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | Upgrade jobs are all working except cinder on Ocata (which should merge once the above fixes) and then they’ll be set to voting. | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | The cinderv3 work is still pending, the nova patch needs to merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446508/ - then backports | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | it's a complete update from andymccr, including non release conversations :) | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | I feel like he is here. | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | Anyway, please have a look! | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | ok next topic | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | #topic Blueprint work | 16:20 |
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| evrardjp | Any information to give there? Nothing pending except upgrade testing and operations guide? | 16:21 |
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| evrardjp | ok let's move to something else | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | #topic Open discussion | 16:22 |
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| evrardjp | Has anyone something to say? I feel like it's only odyssey4me and me talking today | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | :p | 16:22 |
| palendae | I don't really have anything today | 16:23 |
| palendae | Seems like a lot of people are busy with other things | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | We are sitting next to each other at the office, I don't need that to talk to him. :p | 16:23 |
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| xgerman | waiting my turn | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | now would be it. | 16:23 |
| palendae | evrardjp: Talking there wouldn't be documented though :) | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | xgerman it's open discussion, so it's anyone's turn | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | palendae: fair point, fair point! | 16:24 |
| xgerman | ok, #link https://review.openstack.org/447151 | 16:24 |
| xgerman | the trove people have some questions about the communities stance on networks bridging vm and control plane. | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | Massive commit scope :p | 16:25 |
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| evrardjp | the communities, you mean general trove users, or our deployers? | 16:25 |
| xgerman | I am wondering if I need to add things for Octavia besides the iptables firewall? | 16:25 |
| xgerman | community he means OSA | 16:26 |
| xgerman | developers | 16:26 |
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| stevelle | I am generally supportive of the solution xgerman is persuing here but we need folks to look and think hard about it | 16:27 |
| evrardjp | so the question is how to bring consensus on the two roles "way of integrating with osa"? | 16:27 |
| xgerman | yep | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | this looks like it's working towards the ideal we discussed at the PTG | 16:27 |
| xgerman | yeah, I laid my thinking out in the response that there should be a security guide so operators can judge for themselves which risks they are taking | 16:28 |
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| evrardjp | I agree | 16:28 |
| kylek3h | xgerman: agreed. i just was pointing out the roles should be doing similar things | 16:29 |
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| evrardjp | I will review this, but I don't think it's a bad starting point | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | agreed with kylek3h too there | 16:29 |
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| evrardjp | kylek3h: do you see other roles except trove that could have issues? | 16:29 |
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| kylek3h | not at the moment. our focus has been on trove | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | that could be a "osa community goal" in the future to move the role to this standard | 16:30 |
| evrardjp | whatever the "this" means. | 16:30 |
| xgerman | I knew cue had similar issues but that project has been abandoned | 16:30 |
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| evrardjp | ok | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | xgerman this is looking way, way better and seems to address the concerns we raised early on | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | kylek3h from what I see so far, this is a good approach which provides the right flexibility between doing the nasty things for testing or small environments, but being able to break it out for larger environments | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447151 and talk about shared "osa community goals" for network integration best practices next week (useful for trove and octavia) | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | I would be very interested in you guys tying a similar approach and helping to fix up the model to be responsibly secure for the small/test environments | 16:32 |
| xgerman | when I looked at the OSA docs there were chapters on networking but no text - so I assume that will be filled and I can go light on detals in my doc | 16:32 |
| kylek3h | odyssey4me: yeah. i have Ravi working on a similar approach for trove | 16:32 |
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| evrardjp | kylek3h: woot | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | good | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | xgerman what docs are you referring to? | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | xgerman if you're browsing the docs through github you will miss many things - make sure you're browsing the *published* docs | 16:34 |
| xgerman | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/draft-operations-guide/maintenance-tasks/network-maintain.html | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | ah, but that's the *draft* operations guide | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | it's still being populated | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | the deploy guide has networking info in it | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | Probably work to be done there, in a different section than the existing one | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | as does the neutron role, and others | 16:35 |
| evrardjp | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/draft-operations-guide/maintenance-tasks/firewalls.html | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | but, to be clear, the intent it never to duplicate any upstream information | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | all we ever decribe is how we lay things out and how to interact with OSA's deployment... any details about how octavia works should be submitted upstream | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | we should only ever do a basic intro and point to upstream docs | 16:36 |
| xgerman | yes, I was more thinking how networks are defined in OSA. kyle3h had a comment and my thinking was to defer that to upcoming network guides | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | agreed | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | and agreed | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | networks being defined in OSA should be something in our docs | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/draft/overview-network-arch.html | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/draft/app-networking.html | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | that brings me to another topic actually - we currently have two examples in the docs, but I think we'll need to have more | 16:38 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | we have a 'test' and 'production' example - I think we're going to have to rename those and add a 'ceph' example, and probably others | 16:38 |
| xgerman | I was able to figure it out but I also had some help ;-) | 16:38 |
| xgerman | Octavia example? | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | I think perhaps an octavia example should perhaps be combined with something like autoscaling or whatever | 16:39 |
| xgerman | k | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | perhaps ironic, magnum, ocatavia | 16:39 |
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| evrardjp | + heat, telemetry for autoscaling | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | the point with the examples is to illustrate how to adjust based on the special things we can do | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | it makes sense to me | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | the 'test' and 'prod' examples were trying to illustrate different configs needed for the amount of NIC's and the storage subsystem | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | ok I think we are drifting from xgerman main topic, but it's good ! | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | productivitay | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | \o/ | 16:42 |
| xgerman | yeah, documentation is a priority for the Octavia team | 16:43 |
| evrardjp | anyone else? logan- jmccrory? Need to add something to the agenda for next week, or need help on anything? | 16:43 |
| logan- | nope i've got nothing. good first stab at the iptables work xgerman, thanks. going to think about that some and compare to how i've got mine setup now | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | great. | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | you're also using it for octavia? Else generic work can also be documented | 16:45 |
| jmccrory | would be good to get this in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445334/ rally is broken in newton without it | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445334/ | 16:45 |
| logan- | no mine is generic across all of the other basic osa containers | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | logan-: do you want to move it to ops, this way you don't have to maintain it alone, or is specific? | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | there are a bunch of small reviews in play, it'd be great if we could plow through those asap | 16:46 |
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| odyssey4me | don't forget to look at the next page of reviews ;) | 16:46 |
| xgerman | :-) | 16:46 |
| logan- | i wouldn't mind pushing it to ops. will take a look at getting it into a review | 16:46 |
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| evrardjp | I don't force anything logan-, I'm just trying to help. | 16:47 |
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| logan- | yeah i think it would at the very least be helpful to have a port mapping of everything to reference later if we get a role template together | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 16:48 |
| evrardjp | 2.3 is gonna make role templates really easy btw | 16:48 |
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| evrardjp | it's gonna be without any code change, as there is a env var for the boilerplate path. | 16:49 |
| evrardjp | ok, anything to wrap up? | 16:49 |
| logan- | interesting | 16:49 |
| jmccrory | oh that's one more than, the lxc connection plugin in 2.3 blows up. i did some digging and will added what i found in the review testing it, but basically they moved to using a constant for the remote file and use that more consistently | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | 2.3 is gonna be an interesting one with long running connections, etc. | 16:50 |
| evrardjp | jmccrory: well that's not a bad thing to be more consistent. If you have a link I'd be happy to have a look at it. | 16:51 |
| jmccrory | sure, i'll add more details later today here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446173/ | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull ^ | 16:52 |
| evrardjp | jmccrory: the refactor of connection systems in ansible 2.3 is a proof we may need to focus more on our plugins. | 16:52 |
| * cloudnull looking | 16:52 | |
| evrardjp | ok anything else? | 16:54 |
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| odyssey4me | looks like we're pretty much out of time to discuss this - I'd say we move it to the channel | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | ok thank you everyone! | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 16:54:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-23-16.03.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-23-16.03.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-03-23-16.03.log.html | 16:55 |
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| LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 23 17:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| LouisF | hi all | 17:00 |
| bcafarel | hello | 17:00 |
| songole | Hi | 17:00 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:00 |
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| LouisF | #agenda | 17:00 |
| LouisF | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.283.2F23.2F2017.29 | 17:01 |
| vks1 | hi all | 17:01 |
| LouisF | #topic CLI | 17:01 |
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| LouisF | CLI in python-neutronclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409759/ | 17:01 |
| LouisF | Mohan has posted an new patch | 17:02 |
| LouisF | please review | 17:03 |
| LouisF | i think we are close to getting this merged | 17:03 |
| LouisF | #topic API reference | 17:04 |
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| LouisF | API reference https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389385 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411409/ | 17:04 |
| bcafarel | yes, I'll test it again too tomorrow to confirm all commands work fine (from someone else), that was requested in the review | 17:04 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: thanks | 17:04 |
| pcarver | I think the API reference is about done, but Armando's last comment was that he doesn't want to merge it until the API definition is done too. I think I'm getting close to having the API definition done. | 17:05 |
| pcarver | Or at least a patch set that passes tox | 17:05 |
| LouisF | pcarver: great, thanks | 17:05 |
| pcarver | I'm leaving out the exceptions | 17:05 |
| LouisF | pcarver: ok | 17:05 |
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| LouisF | #topic Pike work | 17:06 |
| * igordcard says hi | 17:06 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike work (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:06 | |
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| LouisF | #topic SF tap | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SF tap (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:07 | |
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| LouisF | had discussion last week to use "tap-enabled" instead of "insertion-mode" | 17:07 |
| vks1 | LouisF: I have changed it | 17:08 |
| LouisF | i will post patch to update the spec | 17:08 |
| LouisF | vks1: ok | 17:08 |
| vks1 | LouisF: Its a pretty much WIP. I have few questions will send out an email | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | vks1: we can discuss now it you like | 17:09 |
| vks1 | LouisF: ok like I have decoupled the TAP enablement from the default mode | 17:09 |
| vks1 | but then I see classifier builder to be changed for TAP support | 17:10 |
| vks1 | as of the nature of the deployment | 17:10 |
| vks1 | LouisF: also I want to first enable TAP at the end of chains | 17:12 |
| LouisF | vks1: are you talking about the adding "tap-enabled" to the API? | 17:12 |
| vks1 | that is done | 17:12 |
| vks1 | I have moved forward to change the ovs driver | 17:12 |
| LouisF | vks1: ok | 17:12 |
| vks1 | and I was talking about changes I am doing in ovs driver | 17:13 |
| LouisF | how are you planning to change the ovs driver to do the tap operation? | 17:13 |
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| vks1 | LouisF: probably I will send across the patch to get comment | 17:14 |
| LouisF | vks1: ok will wait for patch | 17:14 |
| vks1 | that will make discussion easier | 17:15 |
| vks1 | yeah | 17:15 |
| LouisF | can you do at leat two patches: one for api/db changes and another of ovs work | 17:15 |
| LouisF | least | 17:15 |
| vks1 | ok will do that | 17:16 |
| LouisF | vks1: thanks | 17:16 |
| LouisF | vks1: you sent an email about an "active" tap - what do you mean by that? | 17:17 |
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| vks1 | LouisF: "active" means in deployment it should be inline | 17:18 |
| LouisF | vks1: explain? | 17:18 |
| LouisF | you also mentioned about "other modes of deployment" - can you clarify? | 17:19 |
| vks1 | LouisF: yeah like "standalone atp" | 17:20 |
| vks1 | LouisF: few use case can be found at taas links | 17:21 |
| vks1 | I will reply to mail chain with the link | 17:21 |
| LouisF | vks1: can you post link? | 17:21 |
| vks1 | yeah sure | 17:21 |
| vks1 | will do that, will be god for discussion | 17:21 |
| igordcard | vks1: in active taps you say they forward traffic back to networking devices... does that mean traffic will get duplicated towards the end of the chain? | 17:22 |
| LouisF | vks1: i want make sure that the use cases are investigated | 17:22 |
| igordcard | links are welcome | 17:22 |
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| LouisF | duplicated traffic is a no no | 17:22 |
| vks1 | LouisF: yeah will only do if everyone agress on that | 17:23 |
| LouisF | vks1: i am still inclear on the meaning of an "active tap" | 17:24 |
| LouisF | unclear | 17:24 |
| vks1 | LouisF: https://www.gigamon.com/sites/default/files/resources/whitepaper/wp-understanding-network-taps-the-first-step-to-visibility-3164.pdf | 17:24 |
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| igordcard | vks1: thanks | 17:25 |
| vks1 | igordcard: :) | 17:25 |
| vks1 | igordcard: this will open too many use cases for us | 17:25 |
| vks1 | :;) | 17:25 |
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| LouisF | vks1: the normal behavior of a SF is to process a payload and then forward it on to the next downsteam SF towards the destination | 17:28 |
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| igordcard | in this regard I was also thinking about whether sfc graphs (now service graphs) could be expanded to allow mirroring branches too | 17:28 |
| LouisF | vks1: and so it is essentially already performing the "active tap" behavior - right? | 17:28 |
| igordcard | instead of just conditional branches | 17:29 |
| igordcard | then tap would be incorporated there | 17:29 |
| LouisF | igordcard: you are referring to branching which is different from the tap operation | 17:30 |
| vks1 | LouisF: in some sense | 17:30 |
| igordcard | LouisF: non-conditional branching... so the whole branch would be your tap (if your branch had a single function, that would be your tap device) | 17:31 |
| vks1 | igordcard: explanation please ? | 17:31 |
| igordcard | vks1: it's essentially the same but modelled differently in the API, and you could have more functions after your first tap function... if wanted | 17:32 |
| LouisF | igordcard: the tap operation is simply to replicate packets and send them to a passive | 17:32 |
| LouisF | SF which acts as a black hole | 17:32 |
| LouisF | igordcard: branching is having the SF steer the packet flow to a sub-chain | 17:34 |
| igordcard | LouisF: the black hole claim is important... whatever gets implemented should then guarantee that even if the tap function returns traffic that it is discarded by the switch | 17:34 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: agree any packets send from the egress port of the SF are ignored | 17:34 |
| igordcard | I agree it's best to not conflate the servuce graph with the taps, at least for the time being.. | 17:35 |
| LouisF | having duplicate packets in the network is a recipe for disaster | 17:36 |
| LouisF | igordcard: +1000 | 17:36 |
| igordcard | yeah | 17:36 |
| LouisF | i think we should move ahead with the "passive tap" as defined in the BP and spec | 17:37 |
| vks1 | LouisF: I agree , I see now issues with passive only | 17:37 |
| vks1 | active can open lot of new issues | 17:37 |
| LouisF | vks1: such as? | 17:38 |
| LouisF | vks1: what issues do you have with passive tap? | 17:38 |
| vks1 | LouisF: that's was I was referring to earlier , TAP becoming the special case | 17:39 |
| vks1 | for implementation | 17:39 |
| LouisF | vks1: ok probably best to post the patch for ovs changes to do the tap | 17:40 |
| LouisF | vks1: we can review and comment | 17:40 |
| vks1 | yeah | 17:40 |
| vks1 | will do that at earliest | 17:40 |
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| LouisF | #topic SF graph | 17:40 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: how is sfc graph work? | 17:41 |
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| igordcard | was finishing some other technical work this week and still going slow with the graph | 17:42 |
| LouisF | igordcard: ok | 17:42 |
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| igordcard | expect new patchsets in 2 weeks or so | 17:43 |
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| LouisF | i want to ask you about the sharing of PPs between PP groups when using NSH encap | 17:44 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: ok thanks on the patch update | 17:44 |
| LouisF | can you elaborate on your ideas | 17:45 |
| vks1 | LouisF: why the restriction ? | 17:45 |
| LouisF | vks1: the PP group defines how the load balancing is done to the PP in the group | 17:46 |
| igordcard | vks1: matching on the flow classifier unambiguously | 17:46 |
| igordcard | too | 17:46 |
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| igordcard | LouisF: so if packets are encapd in nsh | 17:46 |
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| igordcard | you don't have to look at the classification to decide what the next group is | 17:47 |
| igordcard | you just look at nsp/nsi (spi/si) | 17:47 |
| LouisF | the LB for a PP group knows which SF have been allocated traffic | 17:47 |
| igordcard | so the action of load balacing across pps of a ppg will still exist and work just fine | 17:48 |
| igordcard | it's just that a particular PP may now be the object of load balacing in another group too | 17:49 |
| LouisF | so the LB for the group has to have exclusive ownership of the SFs in the group to do the LB operation properly | 17:49 |
| igordcard | today without pp correlation there is a tight coupling between the result of load balacing and the mac address of the selected ingress port of the port pair | 17:50 |
| LouisF | igordcard: it is not related to selecting the next hop | 17:50 |
| igordcard | ut when you have nsh you don't have to wait to know which was the selected PP | 17:50 |
| igordcard | s/ut/but | 17:51 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: with nsh there may be several SFs in a group that all receive the packets with same nsp value | 17:53 |
| igordcard | #link https://github.com/openstack/networking-sfc/blob/master/networking_sfc/services/sfc/agent/extensions/openvswitch/sfc_driver.py#L408 | 17:53 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: agree the dest mac is used to steer the packets to the correct next hop SF | 17:54 |
| LouisF | in the current implementation | 17:54 |
| igordcard | it's just that it doesn't matter how many ppgs is a pp member of, when you're only looking at the nsh header for matching next hops | 17:55 |
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| LouisF | but with NSH, the LB can add a metadata tag to steer the packet to one of the downstream SFs in the PPG | 17:56 |
| igordcard | how would the tag look like? | 17:57 |
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| igordcard | is it needed when there is nsp+nsi already in the packet? | 17:57 |
| igordcard | I'll send a new email, about this subject, it's easier to do it in multi-line | 17:58 |
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| igordcard | and I have a quick question, is the team expecting to go to boston? | 17:59 |
| LouisF | nsp+nsi does not allow selection of one of several downstream SF at a specific hop (nsi) in a specific chain (nsp) | 17:59 |
| igordcard | we could some brainstorming there on future work | 17:59 |
| LouisF | igordcard: yes | 17:59 |
| igordcard | nsp+nsi influences the selection that is executed by the sff (ovs basically) given what it knows about the infrastructure | 17:59 |
| LouisF | its a wrap bye all | 18:00 |
| igordcard | and deployed sfcs | 18:00 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: email me | 18:00 |
| igordcard | LouisF: already | 18:00 |
| igordcard | alright* | 18:00 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 23 18:00:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
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