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| rosmaita | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, alex_bash | 13:59 |
| * sigmavirus waits | 13:59 | |
| rosmaita | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 14:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
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| sigmavirus | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: you are too quick! | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus | Happy New Year! | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: or am I QUIC? | 14:00 |
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| stevelle | o/ | 14:00 |
| * sigmavirus hopes that joke doesn't go over anyone's TCP layer | 14:00 | |
| jokke_ | o. | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | Happy New Year.. | 14:00 |
| dharinic | \o | 14:00 |
| * sigmavirus is in a punnnchy mood | 14:00 | |
| rosmaita | well, happy new year, anyway | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | Happy New Year everyone! | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | ok, we're expecting a light turnout today, so we can get started | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | #topic priority item review | 14:01 |
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| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109375.html | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | looks like not much action, but it was the holidays | 14:02 |
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| abhishekk | for request-id, I have added comment for sigmavirus, please have a look on the same | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | abhishekk: ty | 14:02 |
| sigmavirus | will do abhishekk | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | also, I am working on member-id schema issue (oneOf implementation) | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | thank you sigmavirus | 14:03 |
| abhishekk | soon propose a patch for same | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | sounds good | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's move quickly to user survey question, then i want to update on the community images situation | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | #topic user survey question | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109376.html | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | jokke_ had a suggestion on the ML | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | I'd like to have question "Which Images Api Version are you using? | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | Pick any that applies. a) v1 b) v2; If v1, Why?" | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | Could help us prioritizing the work needed to get everybody off from | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | v1 and it out of support. | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | (that's a quote from jokke_ ) | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:06 |
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| sigmavirus | I think more specifically "Why haven't you moved to v2?" | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | ++ | 14:07 |
| sigmavirus | or "What prevents you from moving to v2?" | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: you're reading my mind | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | let's ask it in a way that it's obvious that v1 has been deprecated and is being removed soon | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | for once I tried, I really tried to turn that question setting to positive tone ;) | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: your efforts are appreciated! | 14:08 |
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| sigmavirus | it's too opaque though | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus | the effort was good one though | 14:08 |
| sigmavirus | it wasn't condescending ;) | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | :P | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | we can have a "short answer" style question | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | we could also put there "Which Images API version is still supported? Pick one: a) v2" :P | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | :) | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | win fabulous prizes! | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | ok, i'll put up an etherpad and we can refine the question along the lines sigmavirus suggests | 14:09 |
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| rosmaita | i think it's a good suggestion, so thanks jokke_ | 14:10 |
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| jokke_ | yeah ... I'm happy with that ... I'd just like to get everyone over with that specific topic :D | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita put up etherpad to revise survey question & send email to dev list to get comments | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | ok, moving along | 14:11 |
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| rosmaita | next item isn't on the agenda, but what the heck | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #topic community images impasse | 14:11 |
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| jokke_ | I was just gonna ask if we should discuss this as part of the priority or do we have own topic for it | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | yeah, can be own topic | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | the quick summary is | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle explained this at the last meeting | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | the qa team has a problem with a patch he proposed | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | they don't like the backward-incompatibility in the workflow for image sharing | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | the incompatibility is that now you get a 409 if you try to add a member to an image that is not in visibility == shard | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | previously, the operation would succeed on an image with visibility==private | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | we've discussed the heck out of this change and why it makes sense | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | I did not reply to the ML chain but I added my comment on the etherpad | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-ocata-community-images-tempest-continued | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: thanks for the reminder | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | I'd also like to point out that the timeline was misleading and I took it wrong ... that test change has been inflight for months, it was not something super new that popped up conveniently just before we merged the change | 14:15 |
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| rosmaita | good to know | 14:15 |
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| sigmavirus | Yeah, the QA team is not out to get us | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | that's a relief! | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus | I can sympathize with both us and them | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | same here | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | and like I commented to the etherpad IMHO now we need to decide which one we disappoint. The QA team or users and the community | 14:16 |
| stevelle | confessing I didn't read that etherpad yet | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus | we dont' have time for microversioning so keeping private->shared auto-transition functionality seems like the best path forward | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | my problem ATM is that if we take the api stability guidelines literally, this entire change cannot happen | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: ++ | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i.e., we cannot even have 'community' visibility | 14:17 |
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| sigmavirus | I'm not sure I agree rosmaita | 14:17 |
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| stevelle | it could with microversioning | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | well microversioning is just excuse to break the rules | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus | expansions of the API are okay, and as I understand this change, it's an expansion if we implement private -> shared transition for users | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | and I'm really not liking how it's treated ... not fond of us going there | 14:17 |
| dharinic | agree with sigmavirus | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus | I don't agree jokke_ | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | let's take a look at the docs | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/evaluating_api_changes.html | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | under "The following types of changes are generally not considered acceptable:" | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | "Changing or removing a property in a resource representation." | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: so the property in question is visibility which has possible values of {"private", "public"} yes? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | the guidelines mention "API extensions" which have been eliminated in favor of microversions (in nova, at least) | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: yes | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus | extension != expansion | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | right | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | extensions are ok | 14:20 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: and we're talking about adding states to "visibility" to make the possible values {"private", "shared", "public", "community"} yes? | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: yes | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus: and that changes the representation of the property, no? | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus | so while the underlying semantics have changes, the representation contract hasn't strictly been broken, it's been expanded | 14:21 |
| stevelle | this may fall under "Changing the semantics of a property in a resource representation which may be supplied by clients." | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus | yes it's a change, but I think your interpretations (rosmaita & jokke_) are too literal | 14:21 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: yes, which is also not allowed | 14:22 |
| stevelle | but I don't think it violates the above meaningfully if we implement private -> shared | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus: yes, my point is that the guidelines are probably not meant to be taken literally | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | so the question is, who decides what is OK and what not? | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus | stevelle++ | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: you mean the automatic transition? | 14:23 |
| stevelle | yes | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | the auto transition breaks actually two of the guidelines ... it breaks the representation and the semantics | 14:24 |
| stevelle | rosmaita: I believe that question is legitimate, but not ultimately going to solve anything | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: you are probably correct | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | but this is why i'm raising it | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | although i am having trouble articulating it | 14:25 |
| hemanthm | stevelle: I thought we didn't want to do automatic transitions. Also, if we are doing private->shared, what is the point of making shared as the default state? | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: wasn't API WG ok with the change already? | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: that was my understanding | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: and they are behind these guidelines? | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: well, that's an interesting question | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i think the guidelines predate the API-WG | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | well the guidelines lives under api-wg if you look the uri | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | although, i am very possibly wrong about that | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | was just noticing that! | 14:26 |
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| stevelle | API WG drafted that guideline | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | does anyone know if there's an api-wg meeting this week? | 14:28 |
| stevelle | hemanthm: we didn't originally, but if we did that state transition the Tempest cores don't currently have any way of stopping us from implementing the feature | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: it was last night | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus | (if my calendar is still accurate) | 14:28 |
| stevelle | I don't think that is correct | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus | oh it's changed | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | it's in 2 hours | 14:29 |
| stevelle | yes | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#API_Working_Group | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | just not sure if it's cancelled for today | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i'm thinking it is, but can't find the email | 14:29 |
| stevelle | I dont believe it is cancelled | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | hold, please | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus | your call is important to us. A representative will be with you shortly ;) | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus | There is | 14:30 |
| sigmavirus | (from cdent in #openstack-sdks) | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | great | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | please scroll to the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-ocata-community-images-tempest-continued | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | i put 3 questions in there | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | just want to make sure these are the correct things to ask the API-WG | 14:32 |
| stevelle | the way those are written, it doesn't prequalify that the minor api version is not a microversion | 14:32 |
| stevelle | otherwise ++ | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: A(4) very direct and blunt way :D | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | waait .... | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: would you suggest i preface this with, "given that glance currently doesn't do microversions ..." | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: you can even drop that 'currently' | 14:34 |
| stevelle | maybe "doesn't adhere to the WG guideline for microversions" | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: as that is not even inflight condition | 14:34 |
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| rosmaita | stevelle: not so much "doesn't adhere" as "has not adopted microversions" | 14:35 |
| stevelle | that works | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | it isn't a requirement yet, though someone did propose it as a community goal | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | (to implement micorversioning in all apis) | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | that is horrible idea ... do you have the review for that? | 14:36 |
| stevelle | don't think it made it past an etherpad stage jokke_ | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | pfeeew | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: i think it's on the etherpad | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | what stevelle said | 14:36 |
| stevelle | it is not in consideration for Pike | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | ok, i'll put us on the API-WG agenda for today | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | anyone who can make the meeting (1600 utc today), please do | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita put glance community images impasse on API-WG agenda | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | any other comments? | 14:38 |
| dharinic | here is the patch for the auto transition (the only way as of now that gets us past tempest) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415306/ | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: thanks for being on top of this | 14:40 |
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| dharinic | Sure rosmaita | 14:41 |
| stevelle | comment: I'm not happy about the concern jokke_ raised, even if I don't feel it is a fight we should take right now | 14:41 |
| dharinic | I know it kind of voids the purpose of "shared", but it does prevent the backward incompatibility as the qa team say. | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: which one? | 14:41 |
| stevelle | using the WG guideline as a cudgel | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: how do you mean? | 14:42 |
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| stevelle | rosmaita: it's related to the question you posed before: who decides what is OK and what not? | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | here's my real worry about this. we can make the change in dharinic 's patch, to pass the tempest tests. but that doesn't necessarily mean that we are living the spirit of the api guidelines | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | and i'm worried that if we do follow the guidelines, the entire CI patch is not allowable | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: we would not, we would be just working around what QA tests | 14:44 |
| stevelle | the WG was chartered with a heavy emphasis on consensus and non-binding guidelines. I feel as if this issue with Tempest tests is against the spirit of that | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: that's well-put | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | and thus I'm against that approach. I was once convinced why the auto transform is not good idea. I don't think we should do it just because it gets us around what QA tests | 14:45 |
| stevelle | but I know the WG internally struggled with that non-binding nature since the charter, so it's not an open-closed thing | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | let's move to open discussion | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | (we can continue this if there's nothing else) | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 14:46 |
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| rosmaita | i'll put a quick summary of the issue and our questions for the api-wg on an etherpad | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-ocata-community-images-api-stability | 14:47 |
| dharinic | rosmaita: How much time do we have with respect to CI getting in this cycle? | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | dharinic: not much | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | we need to decide this quickly | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | like, within a few days | 14:48 |
| dharinic | Yes. Re reading the 2 email responses we got from tempest on the ML, the 2 things they suggest are 1) microversioning 2)auto transition private->shared | 14:48 |
| dharinic | okay | 14:48 |
| dharinic | Hope the api-wg meeting helps us decide faster | 14:49 |
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| rosmaita | dharinic: ++ | 14:50 |
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| hemanthm | We should probably involve tempest folks also when talking to API WG. | 14:51 |
| stevelle | ++ | 14:52 |
| sigmavirus | hemanthm: good idea | 14:52 |
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| rosmaita | how should we notify them? | 14:53 |
| sigmavirus | the QA folks? | 14:53 |
| sigmavirus | Probably poke them in #openstack-qa | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita to poke tempest folks in #openstack-qa | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | ok, guess there's nothing new to discuss? | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all, good discussion again! | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | Starting the year strong | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | :) | 14:57 |
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| hemanthm | rosmaita: We aren't making much progress on the rolling upgrades front. | 14:58 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: what's the blocker? community images? | 14:59 |
| stevelle | times up | 14:59 |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: and reviews | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, will note in priority email | 14:59 |
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| stevelle | we should continue this topic in #openstack-glance | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks everyone! | 14:59 |
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| rosmaita | and happy new year | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 14:59:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-01-05-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-01-05-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2017/glance.2017-01-05-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 15:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 15:00 |
| sjmc7 | Good morning | 15:00 |
| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | I don’t have much on the agenda so if anyone has anything they want to discuss, please bring it up | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | We’ll get started in another minute | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic Reviews | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | The only big outstanding reviews are the pipeline one (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359972/) and the ironic plugin (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364462/) | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | They’re both really close and I think we can get them in in the next few days | 15:03 |
| Kevin_Zheng | cool | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | I had a look through the blueprint list yesterday and I didn’t see any big things we wanted in ocata. Versioned notifications jumped out; I don’t know if anyone’s looked at those | 15:04 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | Worked | 15:05 |
| Kevin_Zheng | On some of those | 15:05 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | But didn't got very deep | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | Me neither. I think we will definitely need to start supporting them in Pike | 15:06 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | Btw, I just noticed this today | 15:07 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Do we handle instance tags ? | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | they are mapped | 15:07 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I mean, just noticed that update/create/delete tags don't sent out notification | 15:08 |
| TravT | hmm, that's not good | 15:08 |
| Kevin_Zheng | We got it by instance | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | we have that problem in a number of places | 15:08 |
| TravT | do they need a defect on nova? | 15:08 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I planning to add it in nova next release | 15:09 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Talked to some cores today | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | I guess if you file a bug against nova mark it as also affects searchlight | 15:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Yeah | 15:10 |
| Kevin_Zheng | It's actually our ceilometer product team reported to me :) | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | It’d be much nicer for us if the notifications didn’t mirror the database schema; we have a lot of problems resulting from one-to-many fields sending very limited notifications | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | Well, at least someone’s looking :) | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | I had a look through our bug list too; there wasn’t anything that really jumped out | 15:12 |
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| sjmc7 | #topic ocata-3 | 15:13 |
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| sjmc7 | O-3 is the week of January 23rd | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | this has been a very short cycle | 15:13 |
| TravT | yeah, it really snuck up on us! | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | Especially with the holidays in the US | 15:14 |
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| lei-zh | yeah, and chinese new year happens at late january : ( | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | Ah, when is that? | 15:15 |
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| TravT | y | 15:15 |
| lei-zh | probally from jan 27th I guess | 15:15 |
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| sjmc7 | Maybe i’ll celebrate it, i could do with a couple more days off | 15:16 |
| lei-zh | we will have a week holiday then | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | There’s also the PTG in late February; I will almost certainly not be able to make it | 15:16 |
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| lei-zh | short otaca collides with two big holidays | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | Yeah. It’ll balance out better with the following release cycles; this one was because of fixed dates for the conference I think | 15:17 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, following cycles will be back to normal length | 15:18 |
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| TravT | I have something i'll be looking at for searchlight ui. however, in trying to verify on new devstack i hit a hiccup | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | a hiccup in devstack? never | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Open discussion | 15:18 |
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| TravT | yeah, i couldn't install the java package for ES. | 15:19 |
| TravT | looks like it is for 16.06 | 15:19 |
| TravT | or 16.04.. | 15:19 |
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| sjmc7 | You couldn’t install java? | 15:19 |
| TravT | trying to remember (was before holidays) | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | Check which version you/it was trying to install | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | They don’t backport old JRE packages | 15:20 |
| TravT | but I think it is trying to install default-jdk | 15:20 |
| lei-zh | I met before, are you installing openjdk8? | 15:20 |
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| TravT | lemme check... | 15:20 |
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| TravT | but basically, the install script was looking for something not in the 14.04 repos | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | File a bug for it | 15:21 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | i thought lei-zh fixed this | 15:22 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/searchlight/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L294 | 15:22 |
| TravT | yeah, i think he fixed it so it works on 16.04 | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | ah, that doesn’t exist on 14? | 15:22 |
| lei-zh | yeah, I have a patch to use default jdk instead | 15:22 |
| TravT | i think so.... | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | devstack officially supports 14 as we as 16 so we should make it work | 15:23 |
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| lei-zh | previous script couldn't work on 16.04 | 15:23 |
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| yingjun | i'm using 14.04.4 and didn't get the issue yet | 15:24 |
| TravT | hmmm... | 15:24 |
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| TravT | well, i tried updating repos | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | TravT: make sure you also have updated apt list | 15:24 |
| TravT | but kept hitting it | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | ah :) | 15:24 |
| TravT | maybe i did it on a bad day | 15:25 |
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| robcresswell | I don't think you *have* to support 14.04, fwiw... | 15:26 |
| TravT | okay, well, i actually have an upgrade to 16.04 running as we speak. | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | Devstack says it aims to support 14.04. shouldn’t be a big deal to support both | 15:26 |
| robcresswell | Fair enough | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | Anything else anyone wanted to discuss? | 15:27 |
| robcresswell | Did I miss the pipeline stuff? | 15:27 |
| robcresswell | I can check logs if so | 15:27 |
| * robcresswell thinks pipeline is the right term | 15:28 | |
| sjmc7 | It’s really close to merging | 15:28 |
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| sjmc7 | I think lei-zh put up a patch last night (my time), gonna take a final look today | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | Hoping to get it merged by tomorrow | 15:28 |
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| robcresswell | Awesome, thanks | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | Sorry it’s taken a bit long | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | December’s always a terrible time to try to get things in | 15:30 |
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| TravT | robcresswell: have your colleagues started doing any more with sockets in horizon? | 15:30 |
| robcresswell | TravT: Got a meeting with them in an hour or so | 15:31 |
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| TravT | ok. cool | 15:31 |
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| robcresswell | They've been looking into it for a few weeks, so should be demoing today | 15:32 |
| TravT | very cool | 15:33 |
| lei-zh | after pipeline, I could work on zaqar publisher | 15:33 |
| robcresswell | Yeah. I'll let you know when I have more solid info | 15:33 |
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| robcresswell | lei-zh: Anything that helps plug everything together would be great | 15:34 |
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| robcresswell | But I would imagine you have other priorities than Horizons experiments :) | 15:35 |
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| lei-zh | robcresswell: yeah, I'll balance them : ) | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, be interesting to see that | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | Anything else? | 15:38 |
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| sjmc7 | Ok. If that’s it, I’ll close out. Thanks everyone | 15:39 |
| TravT_ | thanks! | 15:40 |
| lei-zh | bye | 15:40 |
| TravT_ | have a good evening! | 15:40 |
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| sjmc7 | Thanks all | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 15:40:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-01-05-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-01-05-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2017/openstack_search.2017-01-05-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| evrardjp | BADABOOM | 15:55 |
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| mhayden | 1 minute 30 seconds | 15:58 |
| mhayden | 1 minute 15 seconds | 15:58 |
| evrardjp | just 5 seconds will do the trick :p | 15:58 |
| mhayden | 1 minute til meeting time! | 15:59 |
| evrardjp | wooot! | 15:59 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting openstack_ansible_meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 16:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:00 |
| mhayden | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| asettle | \o/ | 16:00 |
| mhayden | #chair mhayden andymccr | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: andymccr mhayden | 16:00 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | happy new year! | 16:00 |
| mhayden | happy new year for sure! | 16:01 |
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| cathrichardson | o/ | 16:02 |
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| palendae | Hello | 16:02 |
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| spotz_ | \o/ - cause mhayden is picky | 16:04 |
| mhayden | oopsies | 16:04 |
| mhayden | -2 | 16:04 |
| mhayden | okay well we can get underway and see if folks trickle in | 16:04 |
| mhayden | i know some folks here at the office are trapped in another riveting meeting ;) | 16:04 |
| asettle | They are so lucky | 16:04 |
| mhayden | the action items list is empty, so we will roll on to today's topics | 16:04 |
| mhayden | #topic Operations Guide - asettle | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operations Guide - asettle (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:05 | |
| asettle | Hola! | 16:05 |
| * mhayden hands the mic to asettle | 16:05 | |
| asettle | Just want to give a quick update | 16:05 |
| asettle | Firstly, we've done a lot of migrating of relevant content from Rackspace and filled a lot of blanks. | 16:05 |
| asettle | You can see the results here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/draft-operations-guide/index.html | 16:05 |
| asettle | I'd really appreciate people to volunteer reviewing this content. I'm not looking for editorial reviews, but technical reviews. | 16:06 |
| asettle | If people have the time, that'd be great. | 16:06 |
| asettle | We also have a lot of blanks - there are a lot of sections suggested by this team and operations teams that we do not have filled out just yet. | 16:06 |
| asettle | We've had some volunteers (yay!) and hopefully more to trickle in. | 16:06 |
| asettle | If there's anything on this list: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAnsible#Operations_guide | 16:06 |
| asettle | That people feel they can help out with, please include that. | 16:07 |
| spotz_ | asettle I've got some free time I think I'll take a look | 16:07 |
| asettle | spotz_: thank you! | 16:07 |
| mhayden | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAnsible#Operations_guide | 16:07 |
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| andymccr | yeah would really encourage involvement, if you feel comfortable/have the time to contribute to some of those topics - it would be great. | 16:07 |
| asettle | There's no pressure at the moment. But we are trying to tie the completion of this guide in with the Boston summit. | 16:07 |
| asettle | If you can contribute, please put your name down in the table. | 16:07 |
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| asettle | There's a project schedule there too, so you are aware of what is expected of you and when. | 16:07 |
| asettle | I know most of you are not operations people - but your experiences with OSA is invaluable. | 16:08 |
| asettle | Anyway, that's me done :) | 16:08 |
| asettle | TL;DR - reviews and volunteer to help complete if you can | 16:08 |
| mhayden | woot | 16:08 |
| mhayden | thanks, asettle | 16:08 |
| mhayden | #topic OpenStack PTG - February 20-24 in Atlanta, GA, USA, Earth | 16:09 |
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| * mhayden hands the mic to andymccr | 16:09 | |
| andymccr | so for now just a remind, the PTG is a month and a half away - we need to start preping ideas that we want to discuss and bring to the PTG | 16:09 |
| andymccr | also as a reminder to book if you haven't already! | 16:09 |
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| andymccr | I'd like to encourage blueprints or specs to be filed for any ideas people have that htey'd like to discuss - that way we have more formal ideas | 16:10 |
| andymccr | and I'll get an etherpad up for next week's meeting. | 16:10 |
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| mhayden | hopefully we can get more discussion around odyssey4me's proposal for more prebuilt stuff for faster builds | 16:10 |
| mhayden | i'd also like to cobble together a list of security-related problems we know that we have ;) | 16:11 |
| andymccr | mhayden: yip, exactly the kind of thing I'd like to see. If possible with some information already formalised | 16:11 |
| andymccr | mhayden: sounds good | 16:11 |
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| mhayden | the OSA part of the PTG is the first two days, right? | 16:11 |
| andymccr | mhayden: i want to say yes, but i would have to double check :) | 16:11 |
| mhayden | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:11 |
| asettle | I'm fairly sure that *naturally* clashes with the docs stuff | 16:11 |
| mhayden | Mon + Tue | 16:11 |
| stevelle | and the first 2 days are the cross-project window? | 16:12 |
| asettle | I'll probably split my time | 16:12 |
| andymccr | and now i have doublechecked :P | 16:12 |
| andymccr | so yes it is! | 16:12 |
| mhayden | okay, anything else on the PTG for now? | 16:12 |
| andymccr | asettle: we can make a plan around timing | 16:12 |
| asettle | andymccr: sounds good | 16:13 |
| andymccr | nope that's it for now! btu start coming up with ideas/formalizing existing ideas | 16:13 |
| mhayden | good stuff | 16:14 |
| mhayden | #topic Release Planning & Decisions - andymccr | 16:14 |
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| andymccr | releases for newton and mitaka went out today (releases team were off over newyears period, understandably!) | 16:14 |
| andymccr | so next one will be in 2 weeks. | 16:14 |
| mhayden | yay! | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | thanks andymccr | 16:15 |
| andymccr | A reminder that milestone3 is in 3 weeks time - thats important because it indicates feature freeze. | 16:15 |
| andymccr | (milestone 3 for Ocata) | 16:15 |
| mhayden | oof | 16:15 |
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| andymccr | so time is fast approaching, id strongly advise you prioritize any features youre trying to get in - if there are important features lets try rally around those | 16:16 |
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| spotz_ | and poke for reviews | 16:16 |
| andymccr | after that point we should be focusing on bug fixes/testing improvements only really | 16:16 |
| andymccr | +2 spotz_ | 16:16 |
| mhayden | #info Ocata Milestone 3 is in 3 weeks -- feature freeze! | 16:17 |
| mhayden | okay, are we good on releases for now? | 16:17 |
| andymccr | i thinkso :) | 16:17 |
| * mhayden rolls on | 16:17 | |
| mhayden | #topic Blueprint Work | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint Work (Meeting topic: openstack_ansible_meeting)" | 16:17 | |
| mhayden | on the security role side, it's feature complete and i'm working on OSA integration | 16:18 |
| asettle | Cooolio | 16:18 |
| mhayden | security role will need some docs love soon | 16:19 |
| mhayden | i'll get a plan together for that before M3 hits | 16:19 |
| evrardjp | for the chmod and mask I think you should file a bug mhayden | 16:19 |
| * asettle puts on cape and calls to cathrichardson and spotz_ | 16:19 | |
| asettle | WE ARE HERE | 16:19 |
| spotz_ | mhayden until you realize it's not complete... :) | 16:19 |
| palendae | We have an inventory storage plugin spec/bp up, could use more eyes | 16:19 |
| mhayden | evrardjp: you're probably right | 16:19 |
| mhayden | i haven't gotten a jump on Octavia yet | 16:19 |
| asettle | palendae: linky? | 16:20 |
| mhayden | but it sounds like i have an octavia core to help soon! | 16:20 |
| palendae | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410342/ | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | agreed with palendae -- eyes needed | 16:20 |
| palendae | I'll point out it's for a limited aspect - just storage backends. It's not meant to be an overhaul of the whole inventory system | 16:21 |
| asettle | You'll be thrilled to know palendae I've picked up on some whitespace #useful | 16:21 |
| spotz_ | heheh | 16:21 |
| asettle | *crickets* | 16:23 |
| mhayden | hah | 16:23 |
| mhayden | #topic Open Floor | 16:23 |
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| mhayden | what's shaking? :) | 16:23 |
| asettle | Not a lot aye, you? | 16:23 |
| asettle | Wow andymccr just fucking death glared me | 16:23 |
| asettle | #notimeforjokes | 16:23 |
| asettle | #seriousptl | 16:23 |
| andymccr | sigh :P | 16:24 |
| spotz_ | bad asettle | 16:24 |
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| asettle | spotz_: right?! Worst. Person. EVer. | 16:24 |
| asettle | Can't take me to any meeting. | 16:24 |
| spotz_ | Or outings... :) | 16:24 |
| asettle | spotz_: Okay. Like. I'm great at outings. If they're before 9 I just don't *attend* those outings :p | 16:24 |
| spotz_ | hehe, ok back to mhayden's open floor:) | 16:25 |
| mhayden | well, asettle dropped the f-bomb in a recorded meeting | 16:25 |
| mhayden | this is good | 16:25 |
| mhayden | :) | 16:25 |
| asettle | ... | 16:25 |
| asettle | Ohh nuuuu | 16:25 |
| mhayden | :) | 16:25 |
| mhayden | haha, anything else, or should we close up this week's meeting? | 16:25 |
| andymccr | good to be back! | 16:25 |
| andymccr | i think we're done for today | 16:25 |
| asettle | Yeah whatever death glarer | 16:25 |
| * mhayden has gone 25 minutes without saying anything inappropriate | 16:25 | |
| mhayden | which is some kind of record | 16:25 |
| asettle | mhayden: you did so good man | 16:26 |
| * mhayden looks at d34dh0r53 | 16:26 | |
| spotz_ | hehe, we're so good:) | 16:26 |
| mhayden | okay, sounds good | 16:26 |
| asettle | Close 'er up | 16:26 |
| mhayden | thanks, everyone! :) | 16:26 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:26 |
| andymccr | thanks mhayden | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | wait | 16:26 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:26 | |
| asettle | Thanks mhayden :) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 16:26:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-01-05-16.00.html | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416991/ | 16:26 |
| asettle | evrardjp: dang bro | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-01-05-16.00.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2017/openstack_ansible_meeting.2017-01-05-16.00.log.html | 16:26 |
| mhayden | evrardjp: OH | 16:26 |
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| mhayden | let's take it to the main channel | 16:27 |
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| LouisF | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 17:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is LouisF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:00 |
| LouisF | pcarver: hi | 17:00 |
| LouisF | happy new year all | 17:01 |
| bcafarel | hello and happy new year | 17:01 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: hi | 17:01 |
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| LouisF | #topic agenda | 17:01 |
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| LouisF | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceFunctionChainingMeeting#Agenda_for_the_Networking-SFC_Meeting_.281.2F5.2F2017.29 | 17:01 |
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| LouisF | pcarver: what is status of api reference? | 17:03 |
| pcarver | It's coming along. I posted a new patch set on Monday and will be posting another today. | 17:03 |
| pcarver | it's pretty close to done I think | 17:04 |
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| LouisF | pcarver: great will review them | 17:05 |
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| pcarver | I split out the API definition into a separate review. I should get to updating that today or tomorrow | 17:05 |
| LouisF | CLI patch has been updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409759/ | 17:06 |
| LouisF | pcarver: thanks | 17:06 |
| LouisF | please review this patch | 17:06 |
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| LouisF | bcafarel: thanks for work on the tempest issue | 17:07 |
| LouisF | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416503/ | 17:07 |
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| bcafarel | thanks, I hope someone will shed a light on the root cause itself, but at least tempest runs work again with this review :) | 17:08 |
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| LouisF | bcafarel: i think that tempest tests for other projects have also failures | 17:08 |
| LouisF | #topic ocata work | 17:10 |
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| LouisF | symmetric chain support for ovs driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410482/ | 17:11 |
| LouisF | please review this patch | 17:11 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: how if sfc graph work progressing? | 17:12 |
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| igordcard | will be ready for review next week, I'll push it all at once | 17:13 |
| LouisF | igordcard: thanks | 17:13 |
| igordcard | I have a question about the api reference in neutron-lib | 17:13 |
| LouisF | igordcard: go ahead | 17:14 |
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| igordcard | Armando commented on the patch when pcarver reviewed it | 17:14 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388802/ | 17:14 |
| igordcard | does it mean the sfc graph api resource cannot be added after the api ref goes into neutron-lib? | 17:15 |
| pcarver | I'm not sure what he meant about "discoverable" or "like this" | 17:15 |
| pcarver | My comment was in regard to the API definition, not the API reference. They were in the same commit but I split them. | 17:16 |
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| pcarver | The API definition is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411409/ | 17:16 |
| pcarver | and it needs work before it's ready for review | 17:16 |
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| pcarver | the main part is that for all sub-projects the RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_MAP is being pulled out of the sub-project repo and made part of neutron-lib | 17:17 |
| igordcard | yes, yes, I meant to say "api def" too | 17:17 |
| igordcard | pcarver: right | 17:18 |
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| pcarver | so once I finish 411409 and it is merged I will be deleting the RESOURCE_ATTRIBUTE_MAP from the networking-sfc repo and importing it from neutron-lib | 17:18 |
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| igordcard | pcarver: OK, I will ask him to clarify on "The API can't be changed like this. It is not discoverable across versions." | 17:19 |
| LouisF | igordcard: thanks | 17:20 |
| igordcard | so for ocata we want to have sfc graphs without NSH, correct? | 17:20 |
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| LouisF | igordcard: do you think nsh is a stretch in this timeframe? | 17:21 |
| igordcard | LouisF: it's because of the OVS NSH dependency | 17:21 |
| LouisF | igordcard: agree, i think it would be best to complete the sfc graph work first and then see how ovs support for nsh progresses | 17:22 |
| igordcard | LouisF: alright | 17:23 |
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| igordcard | I will reorder the dependencies and split the NSH patch into 1. nsh and 2. mpls without proxying, as right now they are coupled together in the same patch | 17:23 |
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| LouisF | next: ovn driver | 17:23 |
| bcafarel | igordcard: do you have a link to track the ovs patch inclusion? or is it just on ovs-dev ML? | 17:24 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: just ovs-dev | 17:24 |
| bcafarel | ok | 17:24 |
| LouisF | john is not on the call, but he has posted for ovn patches for sfc support | 17:25 |
| LouisF | so that work is progressing | 17:25 |
| LouisF | help welcome | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | #topic other work | 17:27 |
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| LouisF | thats all i have | 17:28 |
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| LouisF | there is work on various bugs underway | 17:28 |
| LouisF | any other items to discuss? | 17:29 |
| LouisF | ok thats a wrap thanks all | 17:30 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:30 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 17:30:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-01-05-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-01-05-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2017/service_chaining.2017-01-05-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
| bcafarel | nice warmup meeting for the new year :) | 17:31 |
| LouisF | bcafarel: yes | 17:31 |
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