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| elisha_r | hi all | 07:58 |
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| danoffek | Hi Guys | 07:59 |
| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 21 08:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone! | 08:00 |
| eyalb | hi | 08:00 |
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| elisha_r | hi | 08:01 |
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| alexey_weyl | hello thereeeee | 08:02 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | I received a mail that Boston CFP is now open | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | We should start thinking about interesting Vitrage sessions for the Boston summit. We can submit proposals until February 6th. | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | Note that as the summits are now split between main summit and PTG, there will not be design sessions in Boston. But – there will be “forum sessions”, which I believe are quite similar. | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | As far as I understood, we should register speaking sessions now, and think about the forum sessions at a later time. | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | Note that our meeting next week will be canceled due to the holidays season. We will meet again on Wednesday, January 4. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | My updates: I’m working on implementing Vitrage as a Doctor Inspector, specifically on writing a Doctor datasource for Vitrage, that will implement Doctor SB API. Not much progress yet. | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/12179 | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Who else wants to update? | 08:07 |
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| alexey_weyl | I will update | 08:08 |
| alexey_weyl | I am working on adding a new type of alarm to aodh called generic alarm. | 08:08 |
| alexey_weyl | I have pushed blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408060/ | 08:08 |
| alexey_weyl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408060/ | 08:09 |
| alexey_weyl | and yesterday I have pushed some code to the aodhclient and hopefully to today or tommorow code to aodh itself | 08:09 |
| alexey_weyl | I wait for feedbacks from the aodh team to see what they think | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: this is great. Did Aodh team review it already? | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | ok | 08:10 |
| alexey_weyl | Thats it for now | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: thanks | 08:10 |
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| danoffek | I'm changing Vitrage ID to act as a real ID, derived from Openstack's UUID generating utils. Same as ther services. | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | doffek: sounds great. but what will you do about non-openstack entities, such as zabbix alarms? | 08:13 |
| ifat_afek | danoffek: great | 08:13 |
| elisha_r | sorry, meant danoffek | 08:13 |
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| danoffek | Every alarm Vitrage generates is "non openstack " alarm. | 08:14 |
| danoffek | It still need's it own ID. | 08:14 |
| danoffek | AODH has IDs on alarms | 08:14 |
| danoffek | Monaska too, | 08:14 |
| elisha_r | I know. The question is what to do about IDs for non-openstack entities. A simple solution would be to append the alarm details (name, timestamp) to the resource the alarm is raised on - assuming every alarm has a resource. | 08:15 |
| elisha_r | but that might not be the most elegant solution. Food for thought. | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: but why not generate a new UUID/ | 08:15 |
| danoffek | We have metadata. | 08:15 |
| ifat_afek | UUID | 08:15 |
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| danoffek | We will generate UUID | 08:16 |
| elisha_r | oh - perhaps I misunderstood. you want to use the same UUID generating tool? that sounds better | 08:16 |
| danoffek | Yup | 08:17 |
| danoffek | See example at : | 08:17 |
| danoffek | zabbix_vitrage | 08:17 |
| danoffek | message_id : uuidutils.generate_uuid() | 08:17 |
| danoffek | It's not practical in this context | 08:18 |
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| nofarsch | can you send a link to gerrit? | 08:18 |
| danoffek | but it will be on real IDs | 08:18 |
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| danoffek | @nofarsch https://review.openstack.org/ | 08:19 |
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| danoffek | Here you go :) | 08:19 |
| nofarsch | awesome, thanks | 08:19 |
| elisha_r | thanks | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | Anyone else has updates? | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | Or any other issue you would like to discuss? | 08:22 |
| nofarsch | danoffek: I meant a link to that part of code *facepalm* | 08:22 |
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| danoffek | @nofarsch Once I have something pushed, I'll update. I updated I'm working on it, not "finished". | 08:24 |
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| nofarsch | I meant the zabbix example, never mind | 08:26 |
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| danoffek | Vitrage -> datasources -> zabbix -> auxiliary -> zabbix_vitrage | 08:27 |
| nofarsch | thanks! | 08:28 |
| ifat_afek | Any other issue? | 08:29 |
| danoffek | Bye guys | 08:29 |
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| nofarsch | any new updates about the giraffe? | 08:29 |
| ifat_afek | nofarsch: thanks for the reminder :-) I emailed Heidi yesterday about this issue, got no reply yet | 08:29 |
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| nofarsch | great! | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | I told her we filled the feedback a while ago, and that most of us were not satisfied with the mascot design | 08:30 |
| ifat_afek | Now I’m waiting... | 08:30 |
| nofarsch | I will look for an update next week :P | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | sure :-) | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | See you next week then | 08:31 |
| nbloom | bye :) | 08:31 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:31 |
| nofarsch | yep, see you | 08:32 |
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| nofarsch | bye | 08:32 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 21 08:32:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-12-21-08.00.html | 08:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-12-21-08.00.txt | 08:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-12-21-08.00.log.html | 08:32 |
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| hanrong | hi | 09:11 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #startmeeting watcher | 09:20 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 21 09:20:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vincentfrancoise. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:20 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:20 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 09:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | hi | 09:20 |
| hidekazu | hello | 09:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | Today's meeting will be driven by me | 09:20 |
| tmetsch | hi | 09:20 |
| vincentfrancoise | the agenda was made in 10mn so please tell me if you want to discuss any extra point | 09:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#12.2F21.2F2016 | 09:21 |
| vincentfrancoise | #topic Announcements | 09:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:21 | |
| vincentfrancoise | Any annoucement? | 09:22 |
| vincentfrancoise | ok so let's move on | 09:22 |
| vincentfrancoise | #topic Review Action Items | 09:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:22 | |
| Yumeng | hi | 09:23 |
| vincentfrancoise | #item https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ Define grammar for workload characterization needs a new PS an answering previous comments | 09:24 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ Define grammar for workload characterization needs a new PS an answering previous comments | 09:24 |
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| vincentfrancoise | is hvprash_ here? | 09:25 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401111/ needs a new PS | 09:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | hanrong: I made a comment following what dtardivel said in a previous PS | 09:27 |
| vincentfrancoise | did you see my comments? | 09:27 |
| hanrong | Yea, I see | 09:27 |
| hanrong | I am trying to using notification | 09:27 |
| hanrong | I will update it later | 09:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | hanrong: if you go with the notification option, you first need to implement the action notifications and that would mean you need https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/action-versioned-notifications-api | 09:28 |
| hanrong | ok , I will study it, thank you. | 09:29 |
| vincentfrancoise | in order to publish the list of all actions along with their description | 09:29 |
| vincentfrancoise | hanrong: ok great :) | 09:29 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ needs reviews | 09:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | who wants to review this spec? | 09:30 |
| Yumeng__ | +1 | 09:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action Yumeng_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 09:31 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ There are many +1s but TODOs are still left in spec | 09:32 |
| Yumeng__ | Ok | 09:33 |
| vincentfrancoise | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/5/specs/ocata/approved/audit-tag-vm-metadata.rst@264 | 09:33 |
| vincentfrancoise | I wasn't there last week | 09:34 |
| vincentfrancoise | does anyone know if there was anything important said about this one last week> | 09:34 |
| vincentfrancoise | ? | 09:34 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ needs a new PS | 09:35 |
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| tmetsch | from last meeting: needs review | 09:35 |
| vincentfrancoise | tmetsch: ok thanks | 09:36 |
| vincentfrancoise | so can someone that already reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ give their grain of salt on the todo's any the open questions left in the spec ? | 09:37 |
| vincentfrancoise | ok so let's switch to Watcher reviews | 09:38 |
| tmetsch | all US folks who volunteered to review afaik - so probably nobody here :-) | 09:38 |
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| vincentfrancoise | tmetsch: yeah possible but I didn't pay attention about it when quickly making the agenda :) | 09:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/centralise-config-opts needs a new PS to remove _opts.py | 09:40 |
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| vincentfrancoise | pshedimb: are you there? | 09:40 |
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| jed56 | vincentfrançoise will come back soon his client has crashed | 09:42 |
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| vincentfrancoise | I'm back | 09:42 |
| Yumeng | :) | 09:43 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action pshedimb add a new PS to remove _opts.py for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/centralise-config-opts | 09:43 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403718/ needs final reviews & merge | 09:43 |
| vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: did you fix the issue raised by dtardivel on this one? | 09:44 |
| alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: here is fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403718/7..8/watcher/decision_engine/audit/base.py | 09:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403718/ | 09:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | anyone else to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403718/ ? | 09:46 |
| hanrong | +1 | 09:46 |
| Yumeng | +1 | 09:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action hanrong Yumeng review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403718/ | 09:47 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ needs reviews | 09:47 |
| vincentfrancoise | this one is around for quite a while now | 09:48 |
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| vincentfrancoise | I remember that I wanted to replace our current compute model with its graph based counterpart instead of having to maintain both since they are storing the same information | 09:49 |
| tmetsch | that would be cool - but maybe that is sth for Pike? | 09:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | but never actually took down to explain how/why | 09:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | time* | 09:50 |
| vincentfrancoise | tmetsch: sure this can be done in 2 stages | 09:50 |
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| tmetsch | I'd support that - for upcoming releases. For now a review of PS 15 would be great :-) | 09:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | # action vincentfrancoise acabot create a BP for Pike to replace the current compute model with the graph based one | 09:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action vincentfrancoise acabot create a BP for Pike to replace the current compute model with the graph based one | 09:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | in the meantime, who wants to review this? | 09:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ | 09:52 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406991/ needs a new PS | 09:53 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391383/ also needs a new PS | 09:53 |
| vincentfrancoise | now for Watcher CLI | 09:53 |
| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403716/ needs final reviews but will be merged after its dependency | 09:54 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #topic Blueprint/Bug | 09:55 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #info https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-3 Watcher ocata-3 has started and finishes on January 23rd with 12 BPs to finish | 09:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | so please focus on the BPs and bugs listed there | 09:56 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413079/ has been pushed by alexchadin and needs reviews (I missed it from earlier) | 09:56 |
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| vincentfrancoise | I personally won't have time myself to review this one this week | 09:57 |
| vincentfrancoise | but maybe next week | 09:57 |
| vincentfrancoise | who's willing to review it? | 09:57 |
| vincentfrancoise | #topic open discussion | 09:58 |
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| vincentfrancoise | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-energy-saving | 09:58 |
| vincentfrancoise | Yumeng you wanted to discuss this BP? | 09:59 |
| hanrong | yes | 09:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | I saw it was marked as superseded | 09:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | (1mn left) | 09:59 |
| hanrong | This bp need to discuss again | 09:59 |
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| hanrong | I add new description | 09:59 |
| vincentfrancoise | ok | 10:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | #action hanrong rewrite description for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-energy-saving <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-energy-saving> | 10:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | time's up | 10:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 21 10:00:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-12-21-09.20.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-12-21-09.20.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-12-21-09.20.log.html | 10:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | thanks all | 10:00 |
| hidekazu | thx | 10:00 |
| Yumeng__ | Thx | 10:01 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 21 13:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: morning :) when you start the holiday | 13:00 |
| cdent | this week I'm doing tuesday and thursday off | 13:01 |
| cdent | so around today | 13:01 |
| cdent | next week I hope to have the entire week off | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | cdent: hope you enjoy the holiday | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | I guess johnthetubaguy and sdague are in the holiday now | 13:02 |
| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:02 |
| cdent | I'll try my best :) | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: looks like the spec didn't get merge yet | 13:02 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | yes... | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | I guess we only can get it merge next year :) | 13:03 |
| Kevin_Zheng | haha | 13:03 |
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| sdague | o/ | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | sdague: have you get a chance to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/393205 | 13:04 |
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| alex_xu | or anything you think we missed at here | 13:04 |
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| sdague | I have not yet, I will do so after the meeting | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool, thanks | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/consistent-query-parameters-validation | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ^ the base patch is also ready | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | the patch for server list is worked by Kevin_Zheng, but I didn't get a chance to check it yet | 13:06 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I will update the patch according to the spec again if the spec is ok | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: thanks | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | so...anything more we want to talk about in year 2016? | 13:08 |
| Kevin_Zheng | i have | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: go ahead | 13:09 |
| Kevin_Zheng | but my computer cannot connected to irccloud... | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: ...what are you using now? | 13:10 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | phone.. | 13:10 |
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| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: ah....that is hard | 13:11 |
| Kevin_Zheng | maybe we can just close meeting I can ask in the channel | 13:12 |
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| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: ok, or ping me when you are at office tomorrow | 13:12 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | yeah thanks | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | np | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | so...thanks all, see you next year | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 21 13:13:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-12-21-13.00.html | 13:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-12-21-13.00.txt | 13:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-12-21-13.00.log.html | 13:13 |
| cdent | Everybody have a great new year | 13:13 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: \o/ | 13:14 |
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| ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 21 15:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:00 |
| ramishra | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:00 | |
| cwolferh | hello | 15:00 |
| ramishra | zaneb, skraynev ^^ | 15:01 |
| ramishra | cwolferh: hi, not sure if many would turn up today. | 15:01 |
| therve | Yop | 15:02 |
| cwolferh | ramishra, hi, yes maybe not so many today | 15:02 |
| ramishra | We don't have much in the agenda. | 15:03 |
| ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:03 | |
| ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-12-21_1500_UTC.29 | 15:03 |
| ramishra | #topic gate failures | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gate failures (Meeting topic: heat)" | 15:04 | |
| ramishra | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1651768 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1651768 in heat "'test_server_signal_userdata_format_software_config' test not completing and jobs timing out" [Undecided,New] | 15:04 |
| ramishra | I've added this bug. | 15:05 |
| ramishra | It seems we've added a new test with fedora image and software_config user_data_format | 15:05 |
| zaneb | I'm awake | 15:06 |
| ramishra | I'm thinking of removing/disabling this test. | 15:06 |
| ramishra | therve: wdyt? | 15:06 |
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| ramishra | zaneb: hi | 15:07 |
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| ramishra | plenty of failures since last week after that landed | 15:08 |
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| zaneb | so it's just too slow for the current timeout? | 15:08 |
| therve | ramishra, +1 | 15:09 |
| ramishra | yeah possibly, we've got 1hr for the job and 10 means for cleanup | 15:09 |
| therve | ramishra, I wonder how it even succeeds sometimes? | 15:09 |
| therve | We don't build a custom image | 15:09 |
| ramishra | yeah, I think it just uses user_data_format(software_config) but it's handled by cloud_init | 15:10 |
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| ramishra | I've not checked it in detail though. | 15:11 |
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| ramishra | I think xenial devstack build itself takes time. | 15:12 |
| therve | It's not like the test is super useful | 15:13 |
| ramishra | I claned up tests not to use fedora image sometime back and it seems we keep on adding tests again:/ | 15:13 |
| ramishra | therve: +1 | 15:13 |
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| ramishra | ok, I've no more items in the agenda. | 15:14 |
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| zaneb | ramishra: I suggest you remove that config option if you don't want people to use it :) | 15:15 |
| zaneb | (self.conf.image_ref) | 15:15 |
| ramishra | zaneb: We've one test 'test_server_cfn_init' using it. | 15:15 |
| zaneb | ah, ok | 15:16 |
| zaneb | I assumed the benefit of getting rid of fedora image tests was that we wouldn't have to have a Fedora image at all | 15:17 |
| ramishra | That's the only test using the fedora image. I think config option may be used at other places. | 15:18 |
| therve | zaneb, We skip of the os-collect-config one, not the cfn | 15:18 |
| ramishra | I don't have anything else in the agenda | 15:19 |
| ramishra | #topic open discussion | 15:19 |
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| therve | ramishra, Should we try to come up with a schedule for the PTG? | 15:19 |
| therve | At least work items would be nice | 15:20 |
| ramishra | therve: absolutely, sooner the better:) | 15:20 |
| therve | That'll wait the new year I guess now :) | 15:20 |
| ramishra | btw, I'm cancelling the meeting next week. | 15:21 |
| ramishra | Will send a mail soon. | 15:21 |
| therve | +1 | 15:21 |
| ramishra | Anything else? | 15:22 |
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| cwolferh | just one more refactor to go before real resource_properties_data changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362290/ | 15:23 |
| ramishra | I think the review queue is increasing everyday, not many cores reviewing;) | 15:23 |
| cwolferh | :-) | 15:23 |
| ramishra | holiday season:) | 15:23 |
| ramishra | cwolferh: yeah, I'll check them tomorrow. | 15:24 |
| cwolferh | ramishra, thanks | 15:24 |
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| * zaneb is planning a pre-christmas review push | 15:24 | |
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| huangtianhua | hi | 15:25 |
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| ramishra | huangtianhua: hi, we're almost done:) | 15:26 |
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| huangtianhua | Sorry I am late :) | 15:26 |
| ramishra | anything else? | 15:27 |
| ramishra | should we move back to heat? | 15:27 |
| huangtianhua | just one question, about the v2 api, should we start this release? | 15:27 |
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| ramishra | huangtianhua: I think that should be fine, but probably target it for next release. | 15:29 |
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| huangtianhua | sure | 15:29 |
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| huangtianhua | then nothing from me | 15:30 |
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| ramishra | ok, thank you all for joining | 15:31 |
| ramishra | #endmeeting heat | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 21 15:31:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-12-21-15.00.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-12-21-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-12-21-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
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| * portdirect has drunk faarr too much coffee, and searches the net for pictures of kolla's wearing santa hats... | 15:58 | |
| kfox1111 | hehe | 15:58 |
| * srwilkers sneaks off to find a santa hat | 15:58 | |
| duonghq | we have 2 santas at this meeting | 15:59 |
| inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| SamYaple | i dont understand this conversation | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 21 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
| inc0 | #topic w00t for kolla - rollcall | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "w00t for kolla - rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
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| SamYaple | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | o/ | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | woot! o/ | 16:00 |
| inc0 | howdy | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | \0/ | 16:00 |
| sp__ | hi... | 16:00 |
| portdirect | hello | 16:00 |
| duonghq | oops | 16:00 |
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| coolsvap | o/ | 16:00 |
| duonghq | sup zhubingbing | 16:00 |
| zhubingbing | o/ | 16:00 |
| zhubingbing | hi | 16:00 |
| kfox1111 | o/ | 16:00 |
| zhubingbing | sup duonhq | 16:00 |
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| sdake | o/ | 16:01 |
| sayantan_ | woot | 16:01 |
| srwilkers | thanks sayantan_, im not the only one now | 16:01 |
| sayantan_ | haha | 16:01 |
| zhubingbing | ； | 16:02 |
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| duonghq | hey eglute | 16:02 |
| duonghq | hey egonzalez90 | 16:02 |
| inc0 | yeah something is broken with our community:/ I know! pbourke is not around, he always stand behind the woot | 16:02 |
| duonghq | sorry eglute | 16:02 |
| egonzalez90 | o/ | 16:02 |
| inc0 | anyway, moving on | 16:02 |
| SamYaple | hey is chrismasing | 16:02 |
| pbourke | woot! | 16:02 |
| inc0 | ha! | 16:03 |
| SamYaple | there he is! | 16:03 |
| zhubingbing | ；） | 16:03 |
| sdake | pbourke is a rebel ;) | 16:03 |
| inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:03 | |
| inc0 | We have 2 new cores in kolla-k8s! please welcome srwilkers and portdirect:) | 16:03 |
| SamYaple | *clap* | 16:03 |
| * duonghq clap | 16:03 | |
| sayantan_ | Congrats guys! | 16:03 |
| sp__ | clap | 16:03 |
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| sdake | welcome to the core reviewer team folks :) | 16:03 |
| sp__ | congrats guys | 16:03 |
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| Jeffrey4l | clap | 16:03 |
| kfox1111 | congrats! | 16:03 |
| inc0 | I mean we all welcomed them already, multiple times, but now +2 powers are new | 16:03 |
| portdirect | o/ | 16:04 |
| srwilkers | thanks :) its been great working with you all. | 16:04 |
| egonzalez90 | congrats! | 16:04 |
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| inc0 | next announcement: next meeting is cancelled, have a great hannukah/holidays/christmas | 16:04 |
| zhubingbing | ；） | 16:04 |
| sp__ | :) | 16:04 |
| sdake | or brief break from reality ;) | 16:04 |
| SamYaple | *clap* | 16:04 |
| inc0 | or sol invictus if that's your thing | 16:05 |
| inc0 | #topic agenda | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:05 | |
| inc0 | * static uid/gid - SamYaple | 16:05 |
| inc0 | * replace heka with fluentd - zhubingbing | 16:05 |
| inc0 | * we're overloading the term "pod" in a way that can make devs/ops assume they are less functional then they are. What should we do? - this is a old one, which may not talked in last meet, we can skip it if no one care. | 16:05 |
| inc0 | * kolla-salt! - SamYaple | 16:05 |
| inc0 | * kolla-kubernetes UX for service layers - portdirect | 16:05 |
| sdake | moment | 16:05 |
| sdake | i have a community announcement | 16:05 |
| zhubingbing | yeah | 16:05 |
| inc0 | ahh sorry | 16:06 |
| sdake | if i may inc0 | 16:06 |
| inc0 | go ahead sdake | 16:06 |
| zhubingbing | http://paste.openstack.org/show/593033/ | 16:06 |
| sdake | Atlanta Sheraton where PTG is held is SOLD OUT - book hotels soon nearby | 16:06 |
| sdake | soon as in as soon as possible :) | 16:06 |
| zhubingbing | fluentd progress | 16:06 |
| srwilkers | thanks for the heads up on that | 16:06 |
| srwilkers | need to get moving on that front on my end | 16:06 |
| inc0 | let's rent airbnb kolla house | 16:07 |
| * srwilkers thinks | 16:07 | |
| sdake | inc0 if your co will let you do that more power to ya :) | 16:07 |
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| sdake | inc0 many big corps don't allow that | 16:07 |
| inc0 | yeah intel doesn't too | 16:07 |
| srwilkers | i would pay out of pocket for that the more i think about it | 16:07 |
| sp__ | inc0: also please lets us know the vitual PTG plan | 16:07 |
| sp__ | virtual* | 16:07 |
| portdirect | i'm going to apply for the travel support fund if anyone has experince with that? would be great to get some tips after meeting. | 16:07 |
| sbezverk | +1 for virtual access to PTG | 16:08 |
| sdake | portdirect Jeffrey4l has attempted it - ask him - although i think the deadline has passed | 16:08 |
| duonghq | portdirect, me too | 16:08 |
| duonghq | sdake, we have 2nd deadline | 16:08 |
| srwilkers | sdake, the first has passed. theres another round coming up | 16:08 |
| egonzalez90 | portdirect: yeah, deadline passed | 16:08 |
| coolsvap | portdirect: there is another deadline in jan 1st week | 16:08 |
| srwilkers | actually have a reminder on my phone a week out from the next deadline to bug portdirect about it | 16:08 |
| portdirect | sdake: there is another round but I'm not holding out hope - virtual attendance would be awesome if possible | 16:08 |
| coolsvap | i will ping you the details | 16:08 |
| portdirect | thanks coolsvap :) | 16:08 |
| inc0 | ok moving on, agenda:) | 16:09 |
| inc0 | portdirect do you want to add your configmap discussion to it | 16:09 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:09 |
| sp__ | portdirect: travel support registration is open till Jan 1st week | 16:09 |
| portdirect | I'll bolt that onto ux, thanks for reminding me :) | 16:09 |
| inc0 | kk | 16:09 |
| sayantan_ | Can we also briefly discuss about documentation? | 16:09 |
| inc0 | ok, so let's go with meeting:) | 16:09 |
| inc0 | sayantan_, if time allows, yeah | 16:10 |
| sayantan_ | cool | 16:10 |
| inc0 | #topic static uid/gid - SamYaple | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "static uid/gid - SamYaple (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:10 | |
| inc0 | go ahead Sam | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | i dont know if i can link things... but | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412231/ | 16:10 |
| duonghq | SamYaple, you can | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | then ive done something wrong. | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | either way, proceeding | 16:10 |
| SamYaple | thats the static uid/gid patch. it is passing the gate (with the exception of ubuntu-binary for reasons im aware of) | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | *however* the gate is not testing kvm | 16:11 |
| inc0 | kvm is no bueno? | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | kvm should work | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | its not tested though. | 16:11 |
| sdake | SamYaple how are only 3 containers affected? | 16:11 |
| SamYaple | sdake:? | 16:12 |
| sdake | SamYaple in the commit message | 16:12 |
| sdake | SamYaple i'd think it affects all containers | 16:12 |
| SamYaple | sdake: unifying users as in, in ubuntu its _chrony and centos its chrony | 16:12 |
| SamYaple | the new user is now jsut chrony for both | 16:12 |
| sdake | oh i see | 16:12 |
| SamYaple | ill reword | 16:12 |
| sdake | cool | 16:12 |
| sdake | i'll review in the new year when its out of [wip] :) | 16:13 |
| SamYaple | I have built all centos-* and ubuntu-* containers to check all the users and groups | 16:13 |
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| SamYaple | next patch wil lremove [wip] | 16:13 |
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| SamYaple | im not changing anyhitng, just removing wip | 16:13 |
| inc0 | cool, looks great SamYaple | 16:13 |
| inc0 | question | 16:13 |
| inc0 | upgrades - we'll need to chown stuff that already exist | 16:13 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l are your concerns met? | 16:13 |
| portdirect | yeah thanks for all your work on this - and reaching out to other groups to find the best way forward | 16:13 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, yep. listening | 16:13 |
| sdake | inc0 that is handled by the json api | 16:14 |
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| SamYaple | inc0: upgrades is a seperate concern to this patch. we have the infrastructure in place to make the upgrade possible | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, we need use json to chown. | 16:14 |
| inc0 | yeah, but are gids/uilds correct in config.json? | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | but its not implemented here obviously | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | inc0: we dont use uid/gid there | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | we use names | 16:14 |
| sdake | inc0 that is a depends-on patch that needs to hit kolla-ansible repo | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | and those are based on the container at runtime | 16:14 |
| inc0 | ah yeah, true | 16:14 |
| pbourke | it seems to me there are some chowns in the extend_start scripts that can go now we have the json | 16:14 |
| pbourke | am I wrong on that? | 16:14 |
| inc0 | so let's confirm that names are correct | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: nope. those use names too | 16:14 |
| pbourke | i.e. a lot of bootstrap steps can go away | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | im not sure about that pbourke | 16:14 |
| SamYaple | because docker volume initially is incorrectly permissioned | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, inc0 we have permissions in set_configs which part of dockers are already fixed in newton cycle. | 16:15 |
| Jeffrey4l | others should be done in this cycle. | 16:15 |
| pbourke | Jeffrey4l: roger, just I think there's some duplication | 16:15 |
| SamYaple | anyway, biggest change is likely around nova-libvirt and that should be tested throughly | 16:15 |
| pbourke | between set_configs and extend_start in some cases | 16:15 |
| SamYaple | ive got ubuntu-binary and ubuntu-source on baremetal | 16:15 |
| SamYaple | but i dont have baremetal for centos to test that works | 16:16 |
| SamYaple | qemu is obviuosly working since gate is passing | 16:16 |
| Jeffrey4l | pbourke, yep. maybe we can remove extend_start part. and move all the permission related chown into set_config, which is more better, imo. | 16:16 |
| pbourke | Jeffrey4l: sounds good | 16:17 |
| SamYaple | Jeffrey4l: i like that too | 16:17 |
| inc0 | ok,can we move on? | 16:17 |
| SamYaple | if no one has more question, yea | 16:17 |
| Jeffrey4l | btw, we are re implement a ansible module in set_configs :( | 16:17 |
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| inc0 | #topic replace heka with fluentd - zhubingbing | 16:17 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "replace heka with fluentd - zhubingbing (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:17 | |
| zhubingbing | hi all | 16:17 |
| zhubingbing | today I talk about the progress of flutend | 16:17 |
| zhubingbing | Link http://paste.openstack.org/show/593033/ | 16:18 |
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| zhubingbing | I will finish openstack service and apache type service to working in this week, please help review;) | 16:18 |
| inc0 | thanks! | 16:18 |
| zhubingbing | First, fluentd heka collected with the same field | 16:19 |
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| pbourke | nice work zhubingbing | 16:19 |
| zhubingbing | thanks | 16:20 |
| pbourke | is this tracked in a blueprint? | 16:20 |
| zhubingbing | yes | 16:21 |
| zhubingbing | and i now see heka collected log a bit of a problem, I will be optimized after the replacement | 16:21 |
| sdake | sweet zhubingbing :) | 16:21 |
| zhubingbing | task status I will write in bp | 16:22 |
| inc0 | kk moving on | 16:22 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:22 |
| inc0 | I guess that means yes:) | 16:23 |
| inc0 | #topic overloading the term "pod" | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "overloading the term "pod" (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:23 | |
| inc0 | portdirect you have floor | 16:23 |
| portdirect | kfox1111? | 16:23 |
| portdirect | but I'll have a go if you want | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | ok. so... | 16:24 |
| portdirect | ^^ | 16:24 |
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| kfox1111 | in some places in our api we're making the user type in pod. | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | but pod has a specific definition in k8s that is different from the way we're using it. | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | we're using it to mean, any k8s object that ends up creating 1 or more pods. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | in k8s its just a single instance that is transient, and if it dies, goes away. | 16:25 |
| portdirect | so the 'official' term in k8s for what we mean (daemonset, deployment etc) is pod-controller i believe - but thats a pretty horrible term | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | so may lead people to thinking our things are less funcional then they are. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | pod-controller isn't quite right either. | 16:26 |
| kfox1111 | the pod controller is the thing that takes in the thing we give it, and launches the pods. | 16:26 |
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| kfox1111 | so, I don't think there is a generic term for "daemonset, deployment, replication controller,' etc) | 16:26 |
| kfox1111 | but we either need one, | 16:26 |
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| sdake | how about k8s-object? | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | or just refer to the type specifically. | 16:27 |
| sbezverk | no matter what you start in kube, it gets translated into running "pod" (other than bunch of other things) | 16:27 |
| portdirect | pod controller is the generic term that they used to use | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | so instead of say rabbit-pod, we call it rabbit-statefulset say. | 16:27 |
| sdake | naming is hard :) | 16:27 |
| portdirect | but it kinda died about 1.2 | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: a controller is an extension to k8s that runs k8s. | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: we're not doing that. we're consuming that. | 16:27 |
| sbezverk | I think using pod as a name make sense to me.. | 16:27 |
| portdirect | ok - I'm just reporting how it used to be (I hated it at the time) | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: but a daemonset is not a pod. but we're calling it so. :/ | 16:28 |
| kfox1111 | portdirect: ok. | 16:28 |
| srwilkers | if we need a name for it, im for the approach you mentioned kfox1111 -- rabbit-statefulset in that example | 16:28 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: at the end of daemonset is POD too | 16:29 |
| portdirect | yeah - lets actually call it what it is be it a daemonset or statefulset or whatever | 16:29 |
| sbezverk | when you do kubectl get pods | 16:29 |
| sbezverk | it returns daemonset pods | 16:29 |
| v1k0d3n | i'm totally with portdirect on that. | 16:29 |
| srwilkers | really at the base of it all, they're all just API objects at the end of the day | 16:29 |
| v1k0d3n | leads to so much confusion otherwise. | 16:29 |
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| portdirect | also determine the lifecycle cahricteristics/actions that can be performed (eg rolling updates etc) | 16:31 |
| kfox1111 | I guess my vote's the more descriptive postfix too. | 16:31 |
| sbezverk | I do not get what kind of confusing you have in rabbitmq-pod | 16:31 |
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| kfox1111 | portdirect: yeah. | 16:31 |
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| srwilkers | sbezverk, i think the confusion being mentioned here could be individuals coming from outside of kolla-k8s | 16:32 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: its confusion to new people, not those used to the way kolla-kubernetes has been using the term. | 16:32 |
| srwilkers | who want to contribute and may not be clear to others who have seen it used in a different way | 16:32 |
| sdake | srwilkers ++ | 16:32 |
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| portdirect | yeah, if you tell a k8s person that we deploy pods they will think we are mad | 16:32 |
| sdake | hopefully its just a git mv aaway :) | 16:32 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:32 |
| * portdirect is mad, but tried to hide it | 16:33 | |
| srwilkers | not fooling anyone | 16:33 |
| srwilkers | im on to you | 16:33 |
| sdake | how about a mailing list discussion to gather ideas? | 16:33 |
| sdake | I can take an action on that | 16:33 |
| sdake | now that we understand the problem | 16:33 |
| portdirect | sdake: that would be great | 16:33 |
| sdake | i can't add #action, inc0 has to do it ;) | 16:33 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: works for me. | 16:33 |
| inc0 | #chair sdake | 16:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: inc0 sdake | 16:34 |
| inc0 | sdake, now you can | 16:34 |
| v1k0d3n | i am having issues with mailing list. i will correct them i guess. | 16:34 |
| sbezverk | adding all these to names seems waste of time in typing and then spelling errors | 16:34 |
| srwilkers | v1k0d3n, i can help you with that | 16:34 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, at least some of our target audience is the kube-centric, not the stack-centric. | 16:34 |
| sdake | #action sdake to start mL discussiona around pod naming conventions | 16:34 |
| sbezverk | I bet there is going to be bunch of issues with daemonsets vs deamonset etc | 16:34 |
| srwilkers | hey wirehead_ :) | 16:34 |
| v1k0d3n | thanks steve. been waiting forever for emails and nothing. | 16:34 |
| sdake | sbezverk git mv away :) | 16:34 |
| wirehead_ | Actual picture of sdake right now: http://www.newvideo.com/wp-content/uploads/boxart/NNVG1644.jpg | 16:34 |
| sdake | v1k0d3n need to understand the problem before it can be fixed :) | 16:35 |
| inc0 | v1k0d3n, if you need to wait more than 1hr for new email - something is wrong | 16:35 |
| v1k0d3n | sdake: i can take this outside of the meeting. | 16:35 |
| sdake | v1k0d3n ya - anyone is free to start up a discussion on ml | 16:35 |
| sdake | v1k0d3n wfm :) | 16:35 |
| inc0 | can we move on? | 16:36 |
| portdirect | yup? | 16:36 |
| sdake | inc0 note i removed the dead horse beating from the agenda and added docs instead | 16:36 |
| inc0 | thanks | 16:36 |
| sdake | inc0 i think it missed the cleanup :) | 16:36 |
| inc0 | #topic kolla-salt | 16:36 |
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| inc0 | SamYaple, go ahead | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | woot! | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-salt | 16:36 |
| inc0 | I've been hearing of it for at least a year now | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | I am purposing a new kolla-* project, deploy kolla containers with saltstack | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | :P | 16:37 |
| sdake | SamYaple the correct term is deliverable - not project | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | details | 16:37 |
| wirehead_ | Let’s not get salty over it, tho, inc0. | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | salt, years ago, didnt quite have the feature set that it needed to deploy complex tihngs (orchestrate them) | 16:37 |
| inc0 | but we need to takie it with a grain of salt tho | 16:37 |
| SamYaple | thats why i used ansible, but salt is pretty awesome | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | please take a look at that etherpad. and ideas, comments, etc | 16:38 |
| srwilkers | wirehead_, :) | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | I also have a working repo up | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | #link https://github.com/SamYaple/kolla-salt | 16:38 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, so here is how it's going to be done - you create kolla-salt project as normally is created | 16:38 |
| inc0 | there is guide online, I'm sure you know it | 16:38 |
| SamYaple | i deploy a simple service (memcache) and a complex one (rabbitmq) so you can see how im laying it out currently | 16:38 |
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| SamYaple | yea inc0. ill do the paperwork | 16:39 |
| inc0 | and add all kolla cores to kolla-salt core team | 16:39 |
| inc0 | + yourself ofc | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | for those of you that care about this, youll find that the repo above implement reconfigure (restart service if service config changes) | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | AS WELL AS conncurrency locking | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | it will only restart things one at a time (or 2, 3, etc if configured) | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | so thats going to be heavily used to do task locking | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | check for service recovery before unlocking | 16:40 |
| inc0 | sounds fun | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | lots of interesting features to use in salt | 16:41 |
| inc0 | and it's python, even more python than ansible | 16:41 |
| inc0 | and it's not gpl v3 \o/ | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | very much so | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | basically, we can template the _tasks_ files | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | heck, we can write the tasks in pure python | 16:41 |
| inc0 | sounds like fun | 16:41 |
| coolsvap | kolla is already sweet thanks SamYaple for adding some salt flavor :) | 16:41 |
| inc0 | have at it man:) | 16:41 |
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| SamYaple | anyway. please look and comment. hit me up for more details | 16:41 |
| SamYaple | coolsvap: :) | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | thats it for me | 16:42 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, pundemic is spreading;) | 16:42 |
| sdake | pandemonium more like it :) | 16:42 |
| wirehead_ | You mean, kolla is being a-salted with puns? | 16:42 |
| inc0 | k, next topic | 16:42 |
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| inc0 | #topic kolla-kubernetes UX for service layers - portdirect | 16:42 |
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| wirehead_ | oooh. | 16:42 |
| portdirect | So for the user experience of kolla-k8s I'd like to dicuss two things today, the service layer (which kfox1111 , and sbezverk have been making great progress on) and configuration. | 16:43 |
| portdirect | Up until now we have used kolla-ansible for config and that has been great to get us going, but I'm concerned that its going to start holding us back | 16:43 |
| portdirect | It the area where we have the most flexibility at the moment, but once we have defined a path will be hard to change from once we have some user's | 16:43 |
| portdirect | I think we need to have a think about how ew do this, personally I'd like us to use helms values to perform all config, so we can ship with an overideable set of insecure defaults for testing and deveopment, | 16:43 |
| portdirect | making it as easy as possible to the user. But it would be gre3at to get other peoples options on this, and think that the meeting we have with helm will be very usefull potentially for gettind gudiance as to what is possible. | 16:43 |
| portdirect | I've been working on some ceph stuff for upstream, and have been exporing using a helm plugin for config there - meaning we can disconnect the configuration totally from the deployment, I'm not 100% sure its the right approach but seems promising. | 16:44 |
| portdirect | thoughts? | 16:44 |
| kfox1111 | I have the same concern with helm as I did with docker env vars. openstack's so configurble for a reason. every config option was needed to be set by someone at somepoint. | 16:44 |
| wirehead_ | Indeed. | 16:44 |
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| sbezverk | portdirect: +1 need in config management, we cannot relay on kolla ansible to get config | 16:44 |
| srwilkers | i agree as well | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | templating that all out could be very difficult to maintain support for all options. | 16:45 |
| v1k0d3n | +1 portdirect | 16:45 |
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| kfox1111 | so, I think there must be a way not to use helm config's. | 16:45 |
| portdirect | yeah thats where the plugin stuff becomes interesting | 16:45 |
| wirehead_ | Also, options-that-depend-on-other-options in order to not be instant footguns. | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | that being said, i wouldn't be against a batteries included option. | 16:45 |
| portdirect | so you can load in configmaps totally seperatly from the deplyment - and so load in any config you want or a system has created for you | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | ive done alot of work with kolla configs, and i think reusing other configs is a mistake. id be ok with a configmanagement-type repo, but i worry that might be too much overhead | 16:46 |
| inc0 | portdirect so I started this: | 16:46 |
| inc0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399147/ | 16:46 |
| SamYaple | kolla-k8s maintaining their own configs would be best i think | 16:47 |
| portdirect | +1 SamYaple | 16:47 |
| inc0 | and we should revive it I think | 16:47 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, or have central configs | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | inc0: there is lots of comments in there | 16:47 |
| kfox1111 | I'm personally for trying to rewrite the templates a bit so they are more reusable across deliverables. | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | yea im against that | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | inc0: look at the comments, they are recent | 16:47 |
| portdirect | reveiw.opensatck is down for me? | 16:47 |
| wirehead_ | Do people think that it’s more likely that you’d have one or two of the services heavily customized and the rest stock? | 16:47 |
| portdirect | and back up | 16:47 |
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| kfox1111 | remove logic from the templates and do it with var passing. | 16:48 |
| portdirect | wirehead_: i think so | 16:48 |
| sdake | how about in the short term the kolla-kubernetes maintains its own config options with a goal in the future to unifying it (post ocata) | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | wirehead_: i think keystone is the *most* customized. followed by neutron and then nova. in my experince | 16:48 |
| portdirect | wirehead_: esp neutron... | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | wirehead_: I heavily customize mine usually. :/ | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | sdake: that works for me | 16:48 |
| wirehead_ | Alternatively, for those cases, would you potentially want to have multiple discrete installs, linked, instead of a single install? | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | then we can think of a central config repo and judge if its really needed | 16:48 |
| sdake | SamYaple right | 16:48 |
| portdirect | wirehead_: thats my utimate aim | 16:48 |
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| kfox1111 | sdake: I'm a bit worried about the overhead of maintaining a fork of config, but if people step up to do so thats ok. | 16:49 |
| wirehead_ | Because the real problem is “Here’s the master helm chart for batteries-included, that I’ve changed to include my sick-and-twisted helm charts for Keystone and Neutron and Nova, and thus it’s going to drift away from batteries-included without active effort and break everything" | 16:49 |
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| SamYaple | kfox1111: well youre just pushing that overhead onto _everyone_ else by making it central to kolla repo | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | and making changes more difficult at that | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | SamYaple: right now, we're just using kolla-ansible. so 0 overhead. | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | disagree. look at the kolla-ansible configs | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | Ido think we need to address taht at some point. just not sure when. | 16:50 |
| SamYaple | that overhead has been pushed to kolla-ansible | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | SamYaple: there have been a few patches, but very minor. | 16:50 |
| v1k0d3n | question... | 16:50 |
| v1k0d3n | just to put it out there. | 16:51 |
| v1k0d3n | when CRI comes (which it's out there in 1.5) | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | kfox1111: still, the overhead has been pushed. someone has to do the work, you are saying "not kolla-k8s" | 16:51 |
| v1k0d3n | and runtimes look different than just the normal docker one we use today. | 16:51 |
| SamYaple | if the overhead is minor, the kolla-k8s should be able to do it themselves | 16:51 |
| v1k0d3n | could the helm deploys take that in? | 16:51 |
| portdirect | if the dont then we have failed | 16:51 |
| v1k0d3n | for instance, is the assumption always going to be that you're using kolla images? | 16:52 |
| sdake | SamYaple would you mind taking an action to start a thread on this topic on the ml in the 1 hour timer that inc0 as set above? :) | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | SamYaple: a fork is harder to maintain then a few config overrides. jsut my 2 cents. | 16:52 |
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| sdake | i dont think we can solve this in our hourly meeting | 16:52 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: +1 | 16:52 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: for kolla0k8s i think the assmption is that we are always going to use kolla images | 16:52 |
| inc0 | or we can take this spec | 16:52 |
| v1k0d3n | so what our goal/thought was, is that helm is first class, so that any runtime could be used with heavy configmap data, and other projects could use that (i.e. a kolla-kubernetes for instance). | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | inc0: yea | 16:52 |
| portdirect | v1k0d3n: but not nessiarily use the docker runtime to use them | 16:52 |
| inc0 | I'll read through comments | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | sdake: there is a spec on this with all this detailed | 16:52 |
| inc0 | let's use spec please | 16:52 |
| sdake | SamYaple cool | 16:52 |
| SamYaple | *1 | 16:53 |
| sdake | that works for me | 16:53 |
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| inc0 | ok moving on? | 16:53 |
| sdake | in the meantime kolla-k8s needs to keep moving | 16:53 |
| v1k0d3n | i mean to be fair, and inc0 could at least speak up...i brought up helm in barcelona, so it got added to the road map because the community thought this was a good approach. | 16:53 |
| portdirect | sounds good, tlts move on | 16:53 |
| v1k0d3n | ok | 16:53 |
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| kfox1111 | v1k0d3n: I do still think configmaps in helm as a batteries included thing is a good idea. | 16:53 |
| kfox1111 | not sure if that is a focus for 0.5, 0.6, etc? | 16:54 |
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| sdake | kfox1111 mailing list discussion should be able to answer that | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | and do they get stored in kolla repo and get pulled into kolla-kubernetes, | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | or stored as a fork in kolla-kubernetes? | 16:54 |
| sdake | and the rest of your qs ;) | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: +1 to ml discussion | 16:54 |
| sdake | lets give sayantan_ some time for docs :) | 16:55 |
| v1k0d3n | kfox1111: i just need a very technical explanation with the helm folks to come to the same place as you on this one. | 16:55 |
| sdake | we only have 5 minutes left | 16:55 |
| portdirect | kfox1111: can you breifly summarise the sate fo the service layers | 16:55 |
| portdirect | as you have been doing loads of work with sbezverk on that :) | 16:55 |
| inc0 | ok, let's overflow documentation to next years meeting | 16:55 |
| inc0 | sorry sayantan_ | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk and I have been working on prototyping some service layer packages. | 16:55 |
| sdake | inc0 - wfm as long as its first up :) | 16:55 |
| sayantan_ | no prob :) | 16:55 |
| kfox1111 | so far the microservices concept seems to be holding up well. | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | helm 2.1.2 just came out, so we have more options now for microservices api that could make the service layer cconfig more smooth. | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | a possible layout here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/86qF0iC5tc5a5o0GhV8l/ | 16:56 |
| sbezverk | yep microservices and services concept looks really nice | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | I'm prototyping up an example of that in the neutron service package. | 16:57 |
| sbezverk | mariadb service is ready and glance will be ready soon.. | 16:57 |
| kfox1111 | neutron service is pretty much ready too. | 16:58 |
| srwilkers | i started toying with cinder last night | 16:58 |
| srwilkers | should have a WIP patchset up soon | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | but I want to get the globals thing figured out, | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | and how to get mariadb/memcached/rabbit per service package too. | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | the globals thing will require a lot of changes from the microservices though. | 16:58 |
| kfox1111 | so would like to get that ironed out so we can try and get those in before 0.4.0 | 16:58 |
| srwilkers | okay. are we going to merge those in for 0.4.0 then? i remember we talked a bit about that yesterday but didnt come to a conclusion | 16:59 |
| sbezverk | let's get a list of left non-microservices components | 16:59 |
| inc0 | ok guys | 17:00 |
| sbezverk | and try to fix them before Jan release date | 17:00 |
| kfox1111 | srwilkers: the changes to microservices I mean. | 17:00 |
| inc0 | we're out of time | 17:00 |
| sdake | time is up :) | 17:00 |
| srwilkers | kfox1111, oh right on | 17:00 |
| inc0 | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 21 17:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-12-21-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| sdake | enjoy holidays ;) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-12-21-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-12-21-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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