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acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 09:02 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 09:02:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:02 |
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vincentfrancoise | o/ | 09:02 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 09:02 |
acabot | o/ | 09:02 |
Yumeng_ | hi | 09:03 |
dtardivel | hi | 09:03 |
licanwei | hi | 09:03 |
acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#10.2F12.2F2016 | 09:03 |
acabot | #topic Announcements | 09:03 |
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acabot | #info meeting agenda for Barcelona design summit is nearly finalized, please add missing topics before end of week | 09:04 |
acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session | 09:04 |
acabot | Yumeng_ licanwei : will you be in Barcelona ? | 09:04 |
tmetsch | hi | 09:04 |
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alexchad_ | o/ | 09:05 |
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acabot | hi tmesch : do you know if you will be in Barcelona ? | 09:05 |
Yumeng_ | I would love to .but it's a pity I will not be there. | 09:05 |
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tmetsch | acabot: I won't be :-( | 09:05 |
acabot | Yumeng_ : ok | 09:05 |
acabot | tmetsch : ok, is Kevin going ? | 09:05 |
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acabot | #info sessions titles have been updated on the official agenda | 09:06 |
tmetsch | acabot: we are looking into that. | 09:06 |
acabot | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=watcher | 09:06 |
acabot | tmetsch : ok cool | 09:06 |
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acabot | should we schedule discussions with Congress ? Nova (Unconference session) ? Monasca ? | 09:07 |
licanwei | acabot : I won't be | 09:07 |
acabot | licanwei : ok | 09:07 |
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acabot | there is still room in Nova unconference session, alexchadin, you already tried it before, what do you think ? | 09:08 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: what should I do there? | 09:08 |
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acabot | it would be to discuss Nova policies respect | 09:09 |
acabot | I dont know if the unconference session is the good place | 09:09 |
acabot | and I dont find any other session in Nova agenda to mention it | 09:09 |
alexchadin_ | I can go to this session with someone else:) | 09:10 |
acabot | I will check with sballe & jwcroppe next week what they want to do with Nova | 09:10 |
acabot | I think we should follow up the discussion started at the mid-cycle in Portland | 09:10 |
alexchadin_ | Do we have a log of that discussion? | 09:11 |
acabot | anyone wants to discuss with Congress ? | 09:11 |
alexchadin_ | since I hadn't been at the mid-cycle | 09:11 |
acabot | alexchadin_ : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100600.html & http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100327.html | 09:11 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: Congress is something similar to Watcher? | 09:12 |
vincentfrancoise | acabot: as discussed before I will be at one of the congress work session to see what they will be doing in Ocata and maybe present them Watcher | 09:12 |
acabot | alexchadin_ : no Congress is for policy management in OpenStack | 09:12 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: thanks for links | 09:12 |
acabot | but the main idea I discussed with them was to get policies from Congress instead of Nova in Watcher | 09:13 |
acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093826.html | 09:14 |
acabot | "Want to use Congress as a | 09:14 |
acabot | source of policies that they take into account when computing the necessary | 09:14 |
acabot | migrations." | 09:14 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: Thank you, will take a look | 09:14 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: hm, looks like Congress should be in sync with Scheduler, right? | 09:14 |
acabot | #action vincentfrancoise attend a Congress work session to discuss possible sync with Watcher | 09:14 |
acabot | alexchadin_ : yes they should be | 09:15 |
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acabot | #info Watcher will have a room at the PTG in Atlanta | 09:15 |
acabot | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 09:15 |
acabot | it will be a great place for cross-projects meetings | 09:16 |
acabot | so if we want to achieve something with Nova or Congress, we should definitely start working with them in Barcelona | 09:16 |
acabot | any other announcement ? | 09:16 |
alexchadin_ | +1 | 09:16 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: I have new BP | 09:17 |
acabot | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/adviser-to-choose-strategy ? | 09:17 |
alexchadin_ | yeap | 09:17 |
alexchadin_ | we can discuss it later, BTW | 09:17 |
alexchadin_ | just wanted to notify you | 09:17 |
acabot | ok, could you add it in the summit agenda ? | 09:18 |
alexchadin_ | liiiiink | 09:18 |
acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 09:18 |
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acabot | alexchadin_ : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session | 09:18 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: thanks | 09:18 |
acabot | scale out or delete instance based on workload needs discussions | 09:19 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/ | 09:19 |
Yumeng_ | yep | 09:19 |
acabot | licanwei : did you have the time to look at comments ? | 09:19 |
Yumeng_ | acabot & hvprash:I just replied your comments this morning, can you please have a look? | 09:19 |
acabot | Yumeng_ : sorry I didn't notice | 09:20 |
licanwei | acabot: yes | 09:20 |
acabot | what about the heat use case ? | 09:20 |
acabot | I will look at your comments | 09:20 |
Yumeng_ | I just update this morning. just want to notify you. | 09:20 |
acabot | #action acabot sballe jwcroppe hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/ | 09:21 |
acabot | automatic triggering of action plans for AUDIT needs final reviews from core | 09:21 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 09:21 |
acabot | diga ? | 09:21 |
acabot | #action acabot sballe jwcroppe hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ | 09:22 |
acabot | Specs for watcher-notifications-ovo needs reviews | 09:22 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384370/ | 09:22 |
acabot | who can review it ? | 09:23 |
Yumeng_ | can i have a try for reviewing? | 09:23 |
acabot | actually there are 3 specs in the same field | 09:23 |
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acabot | Yumeng_ : sure, please don'ask, all reviews are welcome ! | 09:23 |
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Yumeng_ | thx :) | 09:23 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/ | 09:23 |
vincentfrancoise | acabot: ^^^ +2 | 09:23 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/ | 09:24 |
acabot | #action acabot Yumeng_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384370/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/ | 09:24 |
acabot | Define grammar for workload characterization needs a new PS | 09:24 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 09:24 |
acabot | #action hvprash add a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 09:25 |
acabot | moving to Watcher | 09:25 |
acabot | Add strategy template doc needs final reviews | 09:25 |
acabot | we need more reviewers on this one | 09:26 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382494/ | 09:26 |
dtardivel | acabot: I would be nice to get review from strategy developer :) | 09:26 |
acabot | alexchadin : could you review the template ? | 09:26 |
alexchadin_ | acabot: Yes, I'll take it | 09:26 |
vincentfrancoise | acabot: we should get it done for the summit | 09:27 |
acabot | #action alexchadin_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382494/ | 09:27 |
vincentfrancoise | if possible | 09:27 |
acabot | +1 | 09:27 |
acabot | Add Audit Scope Handler needs final reviews | 09:27 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359963/ | 09:28 |
acabot | vincentfrancoise : can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359963/ ? | 09:28 |
acabot | watcher versionned objects needs reviews | 09:29 |
vincentfrancoise | acabot: yes I will review it | 09:29 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects | 09:29 |
acabot | this one is pretty big and need reviewers | 09:29 |
acabot | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359963/ | 09:29 |
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alexchadin_ | I will try to review it | 09:30 |
vincentfrancoise | alexchadin_: thx! | 09:30 |
acabot | #action alexchadin_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects | 09:30 |
acabot | licanwei Yumeng_ : do you want to review it ? | 09:30 |
licanwei | acabot : yes | 09:31 |
acabot | thx | 09:31 |
acabot | #action licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects | 09:31 |
acabot | Graph cluster model implementation needs a jenkins fix | 09:31 |
acabot | tmetsch : could you ask Kevin to fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ ? | 09:32 |
tmetsch | I'll take care of it | 09:32 |
tmetsch | yes :-) | 09:32 |
acabot | thx | 09:32 |
acabot | #action tmetsch fix jenkins in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ | 09:32 |
acabot | Added composite unique name constraints needs reviews | 09:33 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/ | 09:33 |
acabot | licanwei Yumeng_ : very small patch, could you review it ? | 09:34 |
Yumeng_ | yes, please add me to this | 09:34 |
licanwei | +1 | 09:34 |
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acabot | #action Yumeng_ licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/ | 09:34 |
acabot | Moved Watcher doc plugin outside main package needs reviews | 09:35 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382411/ | 09:35 |
acabot | easy one too, good place to give a +1 for stats | 09:35 |
acabot | Added Tempest API tests for /scoring_engines needs reviews | 09:36 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/ | 09:36 |
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dtardivel | +1 | 09:37 |
acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382411/ | 09:37 |
acabot | Watcher CLI | 09:37 |
dtardivel | and the other one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/ | 09:37 |
acabot | ok | 09:37 |
acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382803/ | 09:38 |
acabot | Add support for Audit Scope needs reviews | 09:38 |
acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364787/ | 09:38 |
acabot | vincentfrancoise : can you do a final review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364787/ ? | 09:38 |
acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 09:39 |
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acabot | #info our current milestone target is Ocata-1 due November 14th | 09:39 |
acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-1 | 09:39 |
vincentfrancoise | acabot: yes I will | 09:39 |
acabot | #action vincentfrancoise review & merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364787/ | 09:40 |
acabot | regarding ocata-1, Define when an action plan is stale/invalid needs a spec | 09:40 |
acabot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/stale-action-plan | 09:41 |
acabot | licanwei : did you start working on it ? | 09:41 |
licanwei | acabot :yes | 09:41 |
licanwei | i'm working on this | 09:41 |
acabot | ok don't hesitate to put it in jenkins and set workflow as -1 to say that it's work in progress | 09:42 |
acabot | it would be easier for me to track progress | 09:43 |
licanwei | acabot : ok, tks | 09:43 |
acabot | #action licanwei submit a spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/stale-action-plan | 09:43 |
acabot | #topic Open discussions | 09:43 |
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acabot | now that we have a template for documenting strategy, we need to add doc for each of them | 09:44 |
acabot | the template will be merged soon | 09:44 |
acabot | we need to ask each strategy developer to update the doc | 09:44 |
dtardivel | +1 | 09:44 |
alexchadin_ | +1 | 09:44 |
acabot | alexchadin_ : can you do it by next week ? | 09:44 |
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alexchadin_ | I will | 09:44 |
acabot | #link https://github.com/openstack/watcher/tree/master/watcher/decision_engine/strategy/strategies | 09:45 |
alexchadin_ | I'm working on planner storage spec now, but try to find a time to look at it | 09:45 |
acabot | #action alexchadin_ add doc for workload stabilization strategy based on the template | 09:45 |
dtardivel | you will found an example with basic_consolidation doc pushed in the PS as well | 09:45 |
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acabot | junjie who has worked on outlet_temp_control strategy has left the project, anyone here wants to update the doc ? | 09:46 |
acabot | I will send a mail to Vojtech to update vm_workload_consolidation doc | 09:47 |
acabot | #action acabot ask vojtech to update his strategy doc | 09:47 |
acabot | #action gzhai update doc for outlet_temp & uniform_airflow strategies using the template in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382494/ | 09:48 |
acabot | any other topic to discuss ? | 09:49 |
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acabot | so thank you all | 09:50 |
dtardivel | thx acabot | 09:50 |
acabot | have a good day / night | 09:50 |
vincentfrancoise | bye :) | 09:50 |
alexchadin | bye! | 09:50 |
dtardivel | bye | 09:50 |
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acabot | #endmeeting | 09:50 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:50 | |
tmetsch | cya | 09:50 |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 09:50:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:50 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-10-12-09.02.html | 09:50 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-10-12-09.02.txt | 09:50 |
licanwei | bye | 09:50 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-10-12-09.02.log.html | 09:50 |
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Yumeng__ | bye | 09:51 |
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alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 13:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
alex_xu | who is here today | 13:00 |
edleafe | \o | 13:00 |
gmann_ | hi | 13:00 |
cdent | hi | 13:00 |
Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 13:00 |
mriedem | o/ | 13:00 |
alex_xu | let us wait two more minutes | 13:01 |
sdague | o/ | 13:02 |
johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:02 |
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alex_xu | sdague: johnthetubaguy cool | 13:02 |
alex_xu | let us start the meeting | 13:02 |
claudiub | o/ | 13:02 |
alex_xu | #topic Summit ideas | 13:02 |
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alex_xu | so..let us talk about summit ideas first | 13:03 |
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alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-api | 13:03 |
alex_xu | ^ this is the etherpad for summit api session | 13:03 |
alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova_api_ocata_ideas | 13:03 |
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alex_xu | ^ and I wrote down few things in another etherpad | 13:04 |
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mriedem | fixing the sort/filter keys for listing servers is going to be a priority for ocata b/c of multi cells | 13:05 |
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mriedem | we had a bug for that | 13:05 |
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* mriedem looks it up | 13:05 | |
sdague | that is mostly about being strict on allowed keys, right? | 13:05 |
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mriedem | yeah | 13:05 |
mriedem | so not instance.info_cache | 13:05 |
sdague | right | 13:05 |
alex_xu | sdague: yes | 13:06 |
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mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1609039 | 13:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1609039 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Should not be able to sort instances based on joined tables" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Zhenyu Zheng (zhengzhenyu) | 13:06 |
alex_xu | and there is bug fix from Kevin_Zheng https://review.openstack.org/359134 | 13:06 |
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alex_xu | mriedem: yea, also that one | 13:06 |
sdague | there is a piece of infrastructure that is needed with is a jsonschema equivalent for parameters | 13:06 |
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johnthetubaguy | yeah, would be good to finish off parameter validation | 13:07 |
sdague | I would start with generic parameter validation module, and then use that to apply to sort keys | 13:07 |
alex_xu | sdague: so we should merge the bug fix from Kevin_Zheng first, then use micorversion to strict the allowed keys? | 13:08 |
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johnthetubaguy | sdague: you are right, we should add layer of validation, like we have for the body | 13:08 |
sdague | alex_xu: maybe... honestly it would be nice to have the validation layer to handle it all | 13:09 |
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alex_xu | sdague: ok | 13:09 |
mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359134/15/nova/api/openstack/compute/servers.py looks hard to maintain to me | 13:09 |
sdague | jsonschema has been really useful to ensure we are only working with good known data | 13:09 |
mriedem | i.e. easy to miss something and regress | 13:09 |
sdague | mriedem: yes, agreed | 13:09 |
alex_xu | mriedem: agreed also | 13:09 |
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mriedem | i always envisioned the fix would involve some sqlalchemy magic on the instances table to get the list of columns that excludes joined tables | 13:10 |
gmann_ | sdague: we will be having some json schema for all allowed query param and validate that in generic infra? | 13:10 |
sdague | plus, sorting by ephemeral_gb is going to be a DOS attack on large environments. Really nothing should be in the sort list that doesn't have an index | 13:10 |
sdague | gmann_: something like that | 13:11 |
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gmann_ | k | 13:11 |
sdague | mriedem: so, actually, I would push against magic | 13:11 |
sdague | I do think we're talking about large defined listed | 13:11 |
johnthetubaguy | I like how jsonscheme dropped a whole load of brittle code | 13:11 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, a defined list seems safest at this point | 13:11 |
sdague | we're going to say that sort_keys is a enum, and here are the values | 13:12 |
mriedem | yeah i'm fine with that | 13:12 |
sdague | and this validation layer should return consistent error messages back to the user as well | 13:12 |
gmann_ | that sounds nice | 13:12 |
sdague | like jsonschema | 13:12 |
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mriedem | if we restrict to only columns that are indexed, i'd want to get agreement on that from the ops people first | 13:13 |
sdague | ok... so who can champion this and draft up a spec? | 13:13 |
mriedem | since we don't know what they are using | 13:13 |
johnthetubaguy | there is the obvious follow task of validating all the parameters, feels like a good idea really. | 13:13 |
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sdague | mriedem: sure... honestly, we could make the first pass, which applies retroactively, be the "not completely dangerous list" | 13:13 |
sdague | and then do as alex_xu said and mv in a stricter list | 13:14 |
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alex_xu | i can help on if nobody raise hand | 13:14 |
mriedem | i don't know the jsonschema plumbing well enough | 13:15 |
mriedem | to add a layer for that | 13:15 |
johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I was of a similar view, i could help. Its important hardening | 13:15 |
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alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: cool | 13:16 |
sdague | alex_xu: great, can you have a spec by next week? | 13:16 |
alex_xu | sdague: yea, I can | 13:16 |
sdague | #action alex_xu to write first draft of spec on parameter validation for next week | 13:16 |
sdague | alex_xu: great, thanks | 13:17 |
gmann_ | alex_xu: sdague may be validation can be done with some overridden jsonscham validator like we do for some specific elements like UUID format etc ? | 13:17 |
alex_xu | sdague: np | 13:17 |
gmann_ | and pass whatever we get in query | 13:17 |
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sdague | gmann_: maybe. It might be based on something else as well. We'll let alex_xu run with it and provide the options. | 13:18 |
gmann_ | yea. | 13:18 |
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alex_xu | gmann_: yea, I will try that idea | 13:18 |
gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu: sure, thanks | 13:18 |
mriedem | i also added https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1567655 to the idea etherpad | 13:19 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1567655 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "500 error when trying to list instances and neutron-server is down" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Prateek Arora (parora) | 13:19 |
mriedem | about caching instance.security_groups | 13:19 |
mriedem | so we don't roundtrip to neutron for every instance when listing instances | 13:19 |
mriedem | it's always been a performance problem, but with TLS in the gate now we're also seeing connection failures due to that | 13:19 |
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mriedem | it's less of a REST API thing though, so not sure if it fits into this list | 13:20 |
johnthetubaguy | I have this bit up for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382414/ | 13:20 |
mriedem | i need to review that today | 13:21 |
johnthetubaguy | to stop us having to cache | 13:21 |
mriedem | you're just not going to show sec groups on a server GET? | 13:21 |
mriedem | "server response, no longer includes security_groups" | 13:21 |
mriedem | yeah | 13:21 |
mriedem | you could provide a link to the API to list them for a given server | 13:21 |
mriedem | that's what i was going to do | 13:21 |
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johnthetubaguy | I don't like those links | 13:23 |
gmann_ | mriedem: but it might be little bit dangerous to cashing sec grp | 13:23 |
johnthetubaguy | really, if you want port_uuid info, go list the port | 13:23 |
gmann_ | or show something "Not Available" etc | 13:23 |
johnthetubaguy | I guess we could add a link to the port, but I duno if its worth all the bother | 13:23 |
mriedem | i need to read the spec in detail and tinker with the neutron apis | 13:24 |
johnthetubaguy | gmann_: we cache almost everything else like floating ip, and they can get out of sync | 13:24 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: sounds good | 13:24 |
mriedem | was just going to say that ^ | 13:24 |
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johnthetubaguy | I would like us to stop caching anything, because we don't really need it anymore | 13:25 |
johnthetubaguy | but that is an *extreme* view | 13:25 |
gmann_ | but in case of neutron server down, it does not sounds perfect | 13:25 |
johnthetubaguy | and requires lots of re-work in the metadata server proxy | 13:25 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: what do you mean we do'nt need it anymore? | 13:27 |
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johnthetubaguy | mriedem: wondering if we can stop caching all that neutron data, as its dropping out of the APIs we want folks to use, it becomes less and less important | 13:27 |
mriedem | johnthetubaguy: was the nw info_cache only added b/c of the REST API usage? | 13:28 |
mriedem | nova-compute relies on it | 13:28 |
johnthetubaguy | but normally we would have fetched it for the specific operation we are doing, like creating config drive | 13:28 |
johnthetubaguy | there is a lot of polling and chatter to keep it fresh, it might be more efficient to not cache, it | 13:29 |
johnthetubaguy | but thats a distraction | 13:29 |
johnthetubaguy | I need to do more research first | 13:29 |
sdague | yeh, I was going to say, that seems like a big rabbit hole | 13:29 |
sdague | and it's a short cycle | 13:29 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, its a massive one, its not this cycle | 13:29 |
sdague | so focus on things like sane security groups, which will expose some of these other things | 13:30 |
johnthetubaguy | I was looking at optimizing fetching things from neutron quickly, and it made me wonder why we bothered with all that stuff | 13:30 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, focus on secuirty group tidy up makes total sense to me | 13:30 |
johnthetubaguy | just before we add loads more caching for an edge case, we might want to look a bit deeper there | 13:31 |
sdague | yeh | 13:31 |
gmann_ | true | 13:31 |
mriedem | i'm not sure what 'expose bdm' is in the etherpad | 13:31 |
mriedem | what's the use case for that? | 13:31 |
johnthetubaguy | I attempted to add detail, I don't remember why that came up now | 13:32 |
mriedem | i think it was because of the diagnostics API discussion right? | 13:32 |
mriedem | about disk id or something | 13:32 |
johnthetubaguy | it might have been tidying up the volume APIs, and tags, but I don't remember why | 13:32 |
alex_xu | mriedem: yes | 13:32 |
johnthetubaguy | seems like we need a spec drafting on that, a short one, by whoever remembers | 13:32 |
alex_xu | we probably said expose bdm is right thing | 13:32 |
johnthetubaguy | maybe I could trade you alex_xu for that parameter validation one? | 13:33 |
mriedem | ok i still don't get the use case | 13:33 |
mriedem | but i guess if someone wants to write a spec | 13:33 |
johnthetubaguy | I don't remember the use case, appart from remember it seemed like a good solution to something | 13:33 |
alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: you want to write the spec for parameter validation one? it is ok for me | 13:34 |
sdague | yeh, I'd say make the progress on the others first. | 13:34 |
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alex_xu | yea, sounds like it is a thing people want to clearly | 13:34 |
alex_xu | s/it is/it isn't/... | 13:34 |
sdague | the bdm one probably needs a real champion that needs that info, and that doesn't seem to exist right now, so I'd back burner it | 13:34 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, as you reminded us before, its a short cycle | 13:35 |
johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I think its best you keep that parameter one if you still have the time | 13:35 |
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alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, looks like I have the time | 13:36 |
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mriedem | there will be a xp session on capabilities discovery, | 13:37 |
mriedem | that's why we don't have one called out specifically in the nova track | 13:37 |
mriedem | but it might be part of the api session, to follow up from the xp session | 13:37 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, we said alaski would get a slot to report back | 13:37 |
mriedem | and figure out nova-specific details and assigning people to do the work | 13:37 |
johnthetubaguy | I added a bit in that session etherpad for that | 13:37 |
mriedem | cool | 13:38 |
mriedem | i know there are some paging specs floating around that didn't make newton either | 13:38 |
mriedem | so really, i feel like we're already overcomitted on api | 13:38 |
mriedem | and would like to hunker down on what's already on our plate | 13:38 |
johnthetubaguy | the tidying up loose ends list looks quite a good thing to focus on | 13:39 |
cdent | mriedem: I think it is probably fair to say we're overcommitted everywhere | 13:39 |
mriedem | cdent: we don't need to do that though | 13:39 |
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johnthetubaguy | did the paging ones get code up? | 13:41 |
mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/APIImpact+status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs | 13:41 |
mriedem | not sure, | 13:41 |
mriedem | the instance actions one got caught up | 13:42 |
mriedem | there was a ML thread on that, i think on the marker to use | 13:42 |
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mriedem | another fairly obvious one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366469/ tag a server on boot | 13:42 |
sdague | mriedem: +2, that should just move forward I think | 13:43 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, true, feels a bit odd we don't have that one | 13:43 |
mriedem | takashi also brought up some things at the midcycle | 13:43 |
mriedem | like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334725/ | 13:43 |
mriedem | basically i think they were things we allow in the live migration api, but didn't in the cold migration api | 13:43 |
mriedem | like passing hosts | 13:43 |
mriedem | and we said at the midcycle we were ok with doing them | 13:44 |
mriedem | yeah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334286/ | 13:44 |
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mriedem | anyway i'll throw that random stuff into the ideas etherpad | 13:44 |
alex_xu | mriedem: cool | 13:45 |
johnthetubaguy | should that not be one spec, in a single microversion? | 13:45 |
johnthetubaguy | like made cold migrate do what live-migrate takes for host hints | 13:46 |
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johnthetubaguy | anyways, an talk about that on the review | 13:46 |
johnthetubaguy | can | 13:46 |
mriedem | shrug | 13:46 |
mriedem | if it makes the single thing overly complex to review so it doesn't get in, then no | 13:46 |
johnthetubaguy | well seems odd to add the broken version then the fixed version | 13:46 |
mriedem | frankly i've been spending a lot of my review time this cycle early on single patch blueprints | 13:46 |
mriedem | rather than the 20 patch never ending beasts | 13:47 |
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alex_xu | anything more for summit ideas? | 13:49 |
alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sdague hope you can help on to fill the offical api etherpad | 13:51 |
sdague | alex_xu: sure | 13:51 |
alex_xu | thanks | 13:51 |
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alex_xu | emm...so let us move on? | 13:52 |
sdague | yeh | 13:52 |
alex_xu | #topic API deprecation in Ocata | 13:52 |
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johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: happy to help with that, added some bits already I believe | 13:52 |
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alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: cool, thanks a lot | 13:52 |
alex_xu | the news from me is image metadata one merged | 13:52 |
alex_xu | one more I added | 13:52 |
alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/384261 | 13:53 |
alex_xu | the security group one, johnthetubaguy submitted, we already talk about that | 13:53 |
alex_xu | anymore news for proxy api deprecation? | 13:54 |
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alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sdague mriedem need your reviwe for the multinic and floatingip actions one | 13:54 |
johnthetubaguy | yeah, I should look at that one today | 13:55 |
alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 13:55 |
alex_xu | if no more question, let us jump to open directly | 13:55 |
alex_xu | #topic open | 13:55 |
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alex_xu | anything more people want to bring up? 4 mins left... | 13:56 |
alex_xu | ok...I guess no | 13:56 |
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alex_xu | so let us end the meeting, thanks all! | 13:57 |
alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 13:57:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-10-12-13.00.html | 13:57 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-10-12-13.00.txt | 13:57 |
gmann_ | thanks alex_xu | 13:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-10-12-13.00.log.html | 13:57 |
johnthetubaguy | thanks, will take a look at that spec now! | 13:57 |
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ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 15:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:01 |
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ramishra | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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therve | heya | 15:02 |
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spzala | hi | 15:02 |
ricolin | o/ | 15:02 |
zaneb | \o | 15:03 |
duvarenkov | hi | 15:04 |
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ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 15:04 |
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ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-10-12_1500_UTC.29 | 15:05 |
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ramishra | #topic finalize heat summit schedule | 15:06 |
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ramishra | I've created a draft schedule, not sure if it works for all of us. | 15:06 |
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ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Heat | 15:07 |
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ramishra | I've not yet updated it in Cheddar that would update the summit schedule. | 15:07 |
therve | ramishra, Do we need a session on that maturity stuff? | 15:08 |
ramishra | There was only one fishbowl session that did not overlap with magnum and I've used that for the magnum session. | 15:08 |
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ramishra | therve: zaneb suggested it, if we have something else to discuss. | 15:09 |
ramishra | may be the translation thing? | 15:09 |
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therve | Maybe | 15:10 |
spzala | ramishra: is that in regards to heat translator we have? | 15:10 |
therve | spzala, Nope | 15:10 |
spzala | or something else? | 15:10 |
therve | Translation rules for properties | 15:10 |
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spzala | therve: OK, thought so but wasn't sure | 15:11 |
zaneb | ramishra: can you remind me which of the sessions on that list are fishbowls vs. workrooms? | 15:11 |
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ramishra | zaneb: the 2 performance related sessions and convergence-2 session are fishbowls | 15:12 |
ramishra | rest all are WR sessions | 15:12 |
zaneb | thanks | 15:12 |
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ramishra | I don't know how it overlaps with tripleo sessions | 15:12 |
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ramishra | some of us may be interested to attend some tripleo sessions. | 15:13 |
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zaneb | no overlap with fishbowls by the looks of it | 15:13 |
zaneb | first two sessions on Friday conflict | 15:14 |
ramishra | I've kept the important ones (my opinion) on Thrusday;) | 15:14 |
ramishra | Most of the WR sessions on Friday | 15:14 |
zaneb | ramishra: this schedule looks good to me | 15:15 |
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zaneb | sad to be missing the RPC versioning one, but there's nothing I would switch it with | 15:15 |
therve | Hum, not sure we can do it without you though | 15:16 |
ramishra | yeah I agree. | 15:17 |
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ramishra | therve, zaneb: do we want to replace the maturity session with translation rules one? | 15:17 |
zaneb | ramishra: not sure there's much point if Peter is not going to be there | 15:18 |
therve | We can talk about translation during the meetup I guess | 15:19 |
ramishra | yep | 15:19 |
ramishra | so should I push this schedule? | 15:20 |
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therve | sure | 15:20 |
ramishra | I assume we all agree that this is the best we can have. | 15:20 |
therve | Or that we can change the subjects anyway :) | 15:21 |
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ramishra | ok, moving on | 15:21 |
ramishra | #topic stable releases | 15:22 |
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ramishra | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105302.html | 15:22 |
ramishra | It seems mitaka is moving to phase II and liberty to III support this Friday | 15:23 |
ramishra | So wanted to know, if we should have stable releases for them, I can see there are few patches still in the queue. | 15:23 |
ramishra | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/mitaka | 15:23 |
ramishra | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/liberty | 15:24 |
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zaneb | we did releases for those pretty recently though, right? | 15:24 |
ramishra | We did a release few weeks back though. | 15:25 |
ramishra | zaneb: yep 4/5 weeks back | 15:25 |
duvarenkov | Sorry, I cant be present at meeting anymore today. Just wanted to draw some attention to patch about caching issue which I added to agenda. So, please share your thoughts about it and review :) I think, it is important one. | 15:25 |
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zaneb | unless there's something critical in there I'd say there's probably no need then | 15:26 |
ramishra | If you see the discussion some projects think it's a good idea to have releases when the support phase changes. | 15:26 |
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zaneb | I think the plan was to do more stable releases around o-1 | 15:26 |
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zaneb | ramishra: we've not been super-strict about enforcing the differences between phase 1/2/3 though | 15:28 |
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zaneb | we should definitely try to get some of those open reviews merged | 15:28 |
ramishra | ok, sounds good, we can just leave it for o-1 | 15:29 |
ramishra | #topic discuss caching issue | 15:29 |
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therve | If we don't get the liberty one in, we can't release it AFAIU though | 15:30 |
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ramishra | therve: I assume we can only do security fixes for liberty, right? | 15:31 |
therve | Yeah | 15:31 |
ramishra | IMO, doing a release does not hurt:) | 15:32 |
zaneb | therve: ah, because liberty is going to be closed? | 15:32 |
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zaneb | then yeah, we should merge as many of the liberty patches as we can and release that again | 15:32 |
therve | zaneb, Well, phase 3 | 15:32 |
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zaneb | therve: yeah, I was confused by that. so they don't delete branches any more but allow security patches indefinitely? | 15:34 |
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* zaneb must have missed that memo | 15:34 | |
ramishra | I think we've time till Friday to do whatever we want:) | 15:34 |
therve | zaneb, No, but the deletion is another concern IIRC | 15:35 |
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ramishra | so, we should merege as many patches for liberty and cut a release and leave mitaka for o-1, is that what we agree on? | 15:37 |
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zaneb | I'd be+1 for that | 15:38 |
therve | +1 | 15:38 |
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ramishra | ok, we can move on to the next topic, though duvarenkov has already left | 15:39 |
ramishra | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366696/ | 15:39 |
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therve | So, I don't understand why resource names matter | 15:40 |
therve | Are they prefixed? | 15:40 |
therve | Aren't | 15:40 |
ramishra | prefixed with? | 15:41 |
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therve | Stack ID? | 15:41 |
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ramishra | I don't think so. | 15:42 |
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ramishra | I think it's just the finder methods (with the arguments) | 15:42 |
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ramishra | I don't like the idea of resource plugins cleaning the cache. | 15:43 |
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ramishra | Btw, I'm for getting rid of the finder chache thing completely. | 15:44 |
zaneb | I don't like the idea of this cache existing at all, particularly if there's no invalidation and data routinely leaks between stacks | 15:44 |
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ramishra | +1, or disabled by default? | 15:45 |
zaneb | I believe it's disable by default already? | 15:45 |
therve | Well it's disabled, as global caching is disabled | 15:45 |
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zaneb | so that's something | 15:46 |
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therve | I'm -1 on the current patch though, it's bad | 15:46 |
zaneb | but honestly, you can't have something like this not used by developers or in the gate and expect it to work (and indeed it apparently doesn't) | 15:46 |
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therve | It's used in the gate | 15:46 |
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ramishra | At the gate global cahce is enabled. | 15:47 |
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* zaneb is not looking forward to debugging that | 15:48 | |
ramishra | I added that cache thing, so I'm to be blamed:( | 15:49 |
therve | Well you're the PTL, so you're to be blamed for everything | 15:50 |
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therve | :) | 15:50 |
zaneb | I'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time ;) | 15:50 |
ramishra | yeah, including poor attendance in meetings:) | 15:51 |
therve | Heh | 15:51 |
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therve | Let's move on, 8mins | 15:52 |
ramishra | yeah, I added that for the RESOLVE translation thing, though we now do it before CREATE/UPDATE only, that has changed a lot. | 15:52 |
ramishra | yep | 15:52 |
ramishra | #topic memory usage | 15:52 |
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zaneb | oh boy | 15:53 |
therve | zaneb, So it sounds like that update change is more complicated than expected | 15:53 |
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therve | zaneb, Can you remove it for now? | 15:53 |
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zaneb | therve: sigh, yes | 15:53 |
ramishra | probably update the team on what all we've been doing. | 15:53 |
therve | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1626675 | 15:54 |
therve | 3 patches in the queue, though one that doesn't work for unknow reasons | 15:54 |
therve | The other 2 that improve triple memory usage quite a bit (especially for the output one) | 15:54 |
zaneb | therve: tbh though, just improving the memory usage on create doesn't really help us though. at some point people will have to update, and if that hoses their undercloud it's just as bad | 15:54 |
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therve | zaneb, Agreed, although we'll have a new release by then! :) | 15:55 |
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therve | I haven't tested update yet, but I'm worried for sure | 15:55 |
ramishra | therve: for the rpc patch for outputs, you've used stack-show, is that for easy backporting? | 15:56 |
zaneb | therve: there's lots of reasons to do a stack update on the overcloud long before a new release of the undercloud | 15:56 |
zaneb | e.g. scaling up | 15:56 |
therve | ramishra, I don't know another method | 15:56 |
therve | zaneb, Yeah I know... | 15:57 |
ramishra | I think adding a argument 'resolve_outputs=False' to list_outputs would have worked too, no? | 15:57 |
therve | ramishra, Yeah that would have | 15:57 |
ramishra | though we would not be able to backport it | 15:57 |
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zaneb | so just to confirm... we don't think that Heat has gotten worse post cwolferh's fix, just that TripleO has expanded to the point where they're even worse off than before that? | 15:58 |
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therve | Yeah, and I don' t think it makes a big difference | 15:58 |
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therve | zaneb, That's my (poor) explanation yes | 15:58 |
therve | Someone needs to bisect tht to confirm | 15:59 |
zaneb | I believe stevebaker did that | 15:59 |
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ramishra | yeah, I had the same impression. | 15:59 |
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inc0 | hey guys...:) can we take over channel? | 16:00 |
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ramishra | we still have 2 more mins, right? | 16:00 |
therve | No :) | 16:00 |
ricolin | no | 16:00 |
zaneb | ramishra: we can continue in #heat if necessary | 16:00 |
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ramishra | ok, then thanks all. | 16:00 |
ramishra | #endmeeting heat | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 16:00:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
inc0 | thanks! | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-10-12-15.01.html | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-10-12-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-10-12-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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inc0 | #startmeeting kolla | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 12 16:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:01 |
akwasnie | o/ | 16:01 |
pbourke | woot | 16:01 |
Jeffrey4l_ | 0/ | 16:01 |
egonzalez90 | o/ | 16:01 |
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duonghq | o/ | 16:01 |
qwang | o/ | 16:01 |
vhosakot | o/ | 16:01 |
berendt | o/ | 16:01 |
jascott1 | o/ | 16:01 |
hrito | o/ | 16:01 |
coolsvap | o/ | 16:01 |
duonghq | no roll call topic? | 16:01 |
inc0 | hold on | 16:01 |
inc0 | #topic rollcall - woot for kolla | 16:01 |
sdake | o/ | 16:01 |
rhallisey | lul | 16:01 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | \o/ | 16:01 |
inc0 | woot guys plz;) | 16:01 |
egonzalez90 | woot | 16:01 |
duonghq | woot | 16:01 |
berendt | woot | 16:01 |
sdake | i do not consent ;) | 16:02 |
vhosakot | \o/00T | 16:02 |
pbourke | woot again | 16:02 |
akwasnie | woot | 16:02 |
Jeffrey4l_ | woot | 16:02 |
rhallisey | vhosakot, nice | 16:02 |
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jascott1 | woot | 16:02 |
vhosakot | ;) | 16:02 |
zhubingbing | \o/ | 16:02 |
inc0 | ok, cores please -2 sdakes changes until he submits to our internal rituals | 16:02 |
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sdake | your pain not mine :) | 16:02 |
inc0 | (kidding ofc, we'll deal with it phusically in summit if he wont) | 16:03 |
inc0 | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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sdake | buy me lots o beers | 16:03 |
sdake | i'm broke ;) | 16:03 |
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inc0 | 1. RC2 is tagging today, we need to open stable/newton branch | 16:03 |
inc0 | we will have rc3 due to critical bugs outstanding | 16:03 |
inc0 | it's going to be Oct18 | 16:04 |
inc0 | 2. remind - summit schedule is up for review | 16:04 |
inc0 | any announcements from community> | 16:04 |
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inc0 | guess not | 16:05 |
inc0 | #topic newton release | 16:05 |
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inc0 | sdake, you're up | 16:05 |
sdake | https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-rc2 | 16:05 |
sdake | the summary there is there are 7 critical bugs that make kolla unusable | 16:06 |
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sdake | we have a slew of high bugs which make a particular service have some kind of defect | 16:06 |
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wirehead_ | o/ | 16:06 |
sdake | on the plus side, we have fixed 66(!) bugs in rc2 | 16:06 |
sdake | we also have a slew of bugs in the "INPROGRESS STATE" | 16:06 |
sdake | if there is a bug in INPROGRESS that can be merged, lets get it merged | 16:06 |
sdake | after we tag rc2, only critical bugs will be backported to stable/newton | 16:07 |
sdake | a few mechanics on the tagging/branching | 16:07 |
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sdake | rc2 tags today 23:45 UTC -> the release team tags when they get to it | 16:07 |
sdake | the branch gets created when the release team gets to it | 16:07 |
sdake | they are not slow | 16:07 |
sdake | but don't expect a branch immediately when the tag occurs | 16:07 |
sdake | for rc3, we are carrying 7 bugs | 16:08 |
sdake | these need critical attention | 16:08 |
sdake | there are some other bugs in that list that are in triaged | 16:08 |
sdake | that are critical | 16:08 |
sdake | if someone could get them out of the triaged state, that would be fantastic (by confrming, marking invalid, etc) | 16:08 |
sdake | i will be carrying over triaged bugs that are critical as well as confirmed bugs | 16:09 |
sdake | if they are marked critical - I assume whoever triaged it understands the bug impacts all of kolla | 16:09 |
sdake | now, what to do if you have a high severity bug that you think should be critical? | 16:09 |
sdake | change it to critical | 16:09 |
sdake | (before 23:45) | 16:10 |
sdake | the workflow seems to be going well from last meeting | 16:10 |
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sdake | it would be great if we could finish the job on those inprogress bugs rather then having to backport them, so i'd suggest fixing those today :) | 16:10 |
sdake | or reviewing them | 16:10 |
sdake | etc | 16:10 |
sdake | if its critical, just assume it will be fixed starting tomorrow | 16:10 |
sdake | I need 1 more week out of everyone :) | 16:11 |
sdake | and then we have free time for some time :) | 16:11 |
sdake | (tag is tuesday for rc3) | 16:11 |
inc0 | 3 days, then summit:) | 16:11 |
sdake | shhhh :) | 16:11 |
sdake | after summit - you will have plenty o time to recover :) | 16:12 |
sdake | inc0 you wanted a status update on each bug? | 16:12 |
sdake | rather each critical | 16:12 |
inc0 | yes, let's do this, for critical at least | 16:12 |
sdake | cool take it away - have to do something rq like :) | 16:13 |
inc0 | #topic critical bugs review | 16:13 |
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inc0 | let's spend few moments to discuss each critical bug | 16:13 |
inc0 | to help fixing it | 16:13 |
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inc0 | 1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1564773 | 16:13 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1564773 in kolla mitaka "Continously restarting rabbitmq container for CentOS" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:13 |
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inc0 | hmm, anyone have steps to reproduce this one? | 16:14 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | i followed this bug. but got nothing about it. :( | 16:15 |
inc0 | dug | 16:15 |
inc0 | duh | 16:15 |
zhubingbing | Bug report time is too long. | 16:16 |
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inc0 | yes, but comments are fres | 16:16 |
inc0 | h | 16:16 |
inc0 | so it's still a thing as it seems | 16:16 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | yes. the error message is different too. | 16:16 |
duonghq | tomorrow I'll try to triaged this bug, today the epel repo is broken for awhile | 16:16 |
berendt | sean-k-mooney noted it happens on maste, can he support? | 16:16 |
sdake | pbourke conirmed it | 16:16 |
sdake | i changed it to critical as a result | 16:16 |
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sdake | we need to circle back with pbourke on this issue and see what his defintiion of confirmed is | 16:17 |
sdake | i'll do tha ttomororw morning | 16:17 |
pbourke | one moment I'll check now | 16:18 |
sdake | oops ssorry pbourke didn't know you were here | 16:18 |
pbourke | i confirmed it as there are at least 3 separate people in in the comments saying they see it | 16:18 |
pbourke | as well as our own sean-k-mooney | 16:18 |
sdake | pbourke well sean should know how the software works | 16:19 |
sdake | can a core take on confirming this problem | 16:19 |
inc0 | pbourke, can you check with Sean tomorrow to and try to triage it? | 16:19 |
pbourke | will do | 16:19 |
sdake | and fixing it | 16:19 |
inc0 | thanks | 16:19 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1616268 | 16:19 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1616268 in kolla mitaka "Stale namespace removal causing "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" errors" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jeffrey Zhang (jeffrey4l) | 16:19 |
inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, I understand you have theory and you're going to fix it? | 16:20 |
sdake | pretty sure Jeffrey4l_ is on the money on it | 16:20 |
Jeffrey4l_ | inc0, yes. i am working on it. will push a PS later today. | 16:20 |
inc0 | great | 16:20 |
inc0 | thanks | 16:20 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1617334 | 16:20 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1617334 in kolla "reconfigure action fails on [neutron | Restart the neutron_openvswitch_agent container] " [Critical,Triaged] | 16:20 |
sdake | this is marked critical because if reconfigure is busted, thats not good | 16:21 |
sdake | its not marked confirmed because it hasn't been confirmed in the bug log | 16:21 |
sdake | with several core reviewers trying iirc | 16:21 |
sdake | i use openvswitch all the time | 16:21 |
sdake | and it wfm | 16:21 |
sdake | even reconfigure | 16:21 |
berendt | same here | 16:22 |
sdake | i'm surprised linuxbridge works for htis fellow and not ovs | 16:22 |
sdake | a good course of action would be eto request more info and mark it incomplete | 16:22 |
sdake | determine what info to request is difficult ... | 16:22 |
inc0 | but it's not triaged as well right? | 16:23 |
sdake | its been triaged | 16:24 |
sdake | it hasn't been confirmed | 16:24 |
sdake | triage = setting milestone and priority | 16:24 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l_ for htis bug, you requested his inventory file | 16:24 |
Jeffrey4l_ | sdake, yep. but still get nothing idea now. | 16:25 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l_ so hard for us to mark it incomplete without actually looking at his inventory file | 16:25 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l_ ok - i've got this one | 16:25 |
sdake | go ahead and move on inc0 | 16:25 |
inc0 | nothing too special there | 16:25 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1625648 | 16:25 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1625648 in kolla "horizon login fails with TLS enabled" [Critical,Triaged] | 16:25 |
inc0 | bjolo promised to try to reproduce | 16:25 |
zhubingbing | i don't reproduce this bug | 16:26 |
inc0 | let's wait for bjolo | 16:26 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1631072 | 16:27 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1631072 in kolla "iscsid container: mkdir /sys/kernel/config: operation not permitted" [High,Triaged] | 16:27 |
sdake | are we going throug hthe high bugs too? | 16:27 |
Jeffrey4l_ | this is a ubuntu bug. | 16:27 |
inc0 | ahh copyfail sorry | 16:27 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1623013 | 16:27 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1623013 in kolla "keystone-fernet: rsync: Failed to exec ssh: No such file or directory (2)" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Berendt (berendt) | 16:27 |
sdake | this must be fixed | 16:28 |
Jeffrey4l_ | see #4 and #6 | 16:28 |
sdake | berendt any updates? :) | 16:28 |
Jeffrey4l_ | this is under review i think. | 16:28 |
berendt | i thought Jeffrey4l_ took this one | 16:28 |
sdake | i see | 16:28 |
Jeffrey4l_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369418 | 16:28 |
sdake | well - seems like whos on first to me :) | 16:28 |
Jeffrey4l_ | review is welcome ;) | 16:28 |
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inc0 | ok, make this review priority folks please | 16:29 |
sdake | groan | 16:29 |
sdake | so - one thing i failed to mention in the announcements | 16:29 |
sdake | the gate is busted | 16:29 |
berendt | how to proceed? with or without ssh? | 16:29 |
sdake | because ceph.com is down | 16:29 |
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inc0 | yeah, but we can still review code | 16:29 |
inc0 | without merging it | 16:29 |
sdake | a really dont want to merge anything complex before rc2 | 16:29 |
sdake | right | 16:29 |
sdake | so review away - pls dontmerge anythign that isn't totally obvious :) | 16:30 |
Jeffrey4l_ | we can not other ceph mirror. | 16:30 |
jascott1 | ceph is back i thought | 16:30 |
inc0 | so let's not merge until gates gets up, but review it | 16:30 |
Jeffrey4l_ | we can use other ceph mirror | 16:30 |
Jeffrey4l_ | jascott1, cool. | 16:30 |
berendt | jascott1 no it is still down | 16:30 |
berendt | at least on my site | 16:30 |
sdake | digitalocean has an outage | 16:30 |
sdake | ironically enough caused by ceph :) | 16:31 |
sdake | i think thats the place hosting this | 16:31 |
sdake | or maybe it was somewhere else | 16:31 |
sdake | anyway - its down for me too | 16:31 |
inc0 | so last bug | 16:31 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1631503 | 16:31 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1631503 in kolla "inconsistent UID in rabbitmq results in inability to upgrade" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Dake (sdake) | 16:31 |
jascott1 | its dreamhost | 16:31 |
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sdake | jascott1 right thanks | 16:31 |
Jeffrey4l_ | fix is here: https://review.openstack.org/384598 | 16:31 |
Jeffrey4l_ | i will update the commit message. | 16:32 |
inc0 | for rabbitmq | 16:32 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | but the fix logical is done. | 16:32 |
inc0 | we need to figure out other affected services | 16:32 |
sdake | inc0 anything with a named volume | 16:32 |
inc0 | which is almost everything | 16:32 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | right. so i think we need another bug to describe the detail rather then centos rabbitmq upgrade issue. | 16:32 |
inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, can you make you review partial-bug please? | 16:33 |
inc0 | or that | 16:33 |
sdake | change th topic of the bug eff | 16:33 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l_ | 16:33 |
sdake | click yellow button next to bug topic | 16:33 |
Jeffrey4l_ | inc0, np. | 16:33 |
Jeffrey4l_ | sdake, yep. change it to ? | 16:33 |
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sdake | Jeffrey4l_ make something up? :) | 16:34 |
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sdake | "upgrades broken because of inconsistent UIDs" should do it | 16:35 |
Jeffrey4l_ | done. | 16:35 |
inc0 | I'd rather not create 10 bugs for each service, but once Jeffreys patch is merged we need to do same thing for all the services | 16:35 |
inc0 | so we can spread work | 16:35 |
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inc0 | let's make sure to use same topic in review | 16:35 |
inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1631503 | 16:35 |
inc0 | to avoid duplication of work | 16:36 |
inc0 | and reviewers, please keep eye on this link | 16:36 |
sdake | inc0 an etherpad would come in handy here i think - to figure out who is doing which part if you intend to spread load | 16:36 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | we need some thing to trick all the container which need fix. should we use bugs/work items or anything else. | 16:36 |
sdake | 6 days to 3.0.0 - spreading work will be more difficult lI think | 16:37 |
Jeffrey4l_ | sdake, agreed to use etherpad. | 16:37 |
inc0 | well, one person won't handle it all | 16:37 |
inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-bug-1631503 | 16:37 |
sdake | cool so if spreading work lets use etherpad - Jeffrey4l_ can you link that in the bug so devs ca nfind it | 16:37 |
Jeffrey4l_ | no. | 16:38 |
Jeffrey4l_ | sorry. np. | 16:38 |
inc0 | http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/48/483ef0911f5e27073a015b45aee7a288b9c8d3bfa104f8bfe6625572f97cfa52.jpg sorry, couldn't help myself | 16:38 |
Jeffrey4l_ | it is a typo. ;( | 16:39 |
inc0 | I know, don't worry;) | 16:39 |
inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, I changed topic on your ps to bug/1631503 | 16:40 |
Jeffrey4l_ | ok. | 16:40 |
inc0 | so between etherpad and this gerrit review queue, let's fix this | 16:40 |
Jeffrey4l_ | should we update the bug? it do not just fix rabbitmq upgrade in centos now. | 16:40 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l_ we are doing partial-fix on each component i think | 16:41 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | but the bug title is bad: inconsistent UID in rabbitmq results in inability to upgrade | 16:41 |
inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1631503 <= changed name | 16:41 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1631503 in kolla "inconsistent UID in named volume results in inability to upgrade" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Dake (sdake) | 16:41 |
sdake | Jeffrey4l_ i gave you a title in scrollback to use for bug description | 16:41 |
inc0 | no mention of centos there | 16:41 |
Jeffrey4l_ | actually it is: fix the uid issue during upgrade | 16:41 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | hmm. drop the "rabbitmq" word? | 16:42 |
inc0 | I did:) | 16:42 |
Jeffrey4l_ | cool | 16:42 |
inc0 | replaced it with named voluem | 16:42 |
Jeffrey4l_ | another think is: should we backport this to mitaka? | 16:43 |
sdake | one note on this bug | 16:43 |
inc0 | so again: | 16:43 |
sdake | folks - the approach ahs been bikeshedded to death | 16:43 |
inc0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1631503 | 16:43 |
sdake | lets just merge the design as is | 16:43 |
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inc0 | this link has to be reviewed, keep an eye on it | 16:43 |
sdake | by bikeshed to death - i've played telephone for atleast 8 hours on this specific issue | 16:44 |
inc0 | ok, I think we stressed the importance enough:) | 16:44 |
inc0 | so, we have status update on all critical bugs | 16:45 |
inc0 | let's get them fixed in following week | 16:45 |
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inc0 | anything else to add? | 16:45 |
inc0 | guess not | 16:45 |
inc0 | #topic open discussion | 16:45 |
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rhallisey | inc0, can we re order the summit sessions | 16:46 |
inc0 | so one thing, you guys think we need meeting next week? | 16:46 |
duonghq | do we have semi-fixed summit sessions? | 16:46 |
inc0 | yeah, let me do it now | 16:46 |
sdake | yes meeting next week - last minute summit prep is critical | 16:46 |
inc0 | ok | 16:46 |
inc0 | meeting stays then | 16:46 |
zhubingbing | About Heka we have any good alternative? | 16:46 |
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sdake | zhubingbing we need an honest evaluation of the alternatives | 16:47 |
sdake | of which there are two that I am aware of | 16:47 |
duonghq | iirc there is solution already use in kolla-k8s? | 16:48 |
inc0 | zhubingbing, I see 3 now, filebeat and fluentd are there, snap is meaning to grow this feature in near future (we should be ok with timing) | 16:48 |
sdake | snap sounds like heka 2.0 :) | 16:48 |
inc0 | rhallisey, sdake what were your rescheduling issues? I'm switching osic review with ci | 16:49 |
zhubingbing | -) | 16:49 |
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inc0 | sdake, yeah, snap is exactly that | 16:49 |
rhallisey | inc0, can we move the road map later | 16:49 |
inc0 | heka was cool, until mozilla dropped it | 16:49 |
rhallisey | I want to change around a bunch of things | 16:49 |
rhallisey | disagree with the current order | 16:49 |
rhallisey | I do have some conflicts, but I think the overall order needs to be changed | 16:49 |
pbourke | should look at logstash again also | 16:49 |
sdake | pbourke logstash-forwarder is EOL bro ;) | 16:50 |
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rhallisey | imo | 16:50 |
jascott1 | Mozilla mention this yesterday failed to get kk8s up due to ceph.com outage so worked on ansible playbooks, reviewed code. Today create cinder ansible commit. Blockers: ceph.com is still down:( | 16:50 |
berendt | pbourke filebeat.. not logstash | 16:50 |
jascott1 | whoa epic fail | 16:50 |
pbourke | sdake: you sure? | 16:50 |
jascott1 | https://github.com/trink/hindsight) | 16:50 |
sdake | pbourke yup look at their repo | 16:50 |
duonghq | logstash-forwarder is replaced by Beat iirc | 16:50 |
inc0 | rhallisey, whats wrong with it?;) | 16:50 |
duonghq | seem promise? | 16:50 |
sdake | pbourke elastic EOL'ed logstash-forwarder and introduced filebeat instead | 16:50 |
Jeffrey4l_ | inc0, could u check this again https://review.openstack.org/378762 i perfer use the same timezone for all containers. | 16:51 |
sdake | why? don't know ;) | 16:51 |
duonghq | sdake: Beats, indeed | 16:51 |
rhallisey | inc0, let's get into it after the meeting | 16:51 |
pbourke | whats the difference between logstash and logstash forwarder :/ | 16:51 |
inc0 | ok rhallisey | 16:51 |
sdake | logstash collects logs and sends them to elasticsearch | 16:51 |
zhubingbing | iirc what's mean ? i don;t know ;) | 16:52 |
sdake | logstachforwarder sends logs to logstash (or elasticsearch) | 16:52 |
inc0 | Jeffrey4l_, ok, I just wanted more context | 16:52 |
sdake | we don't need logstash itself | 16:52 |
duonghq | pbourke: Elastic introdue Beats as protocol for log shipping purpose | 16:52 |
jascott1 | is mozilla's own recommeded replacement not suitable? https://github.com/trink/hindsight | 16:52 |
Jeffrey4l_ | what happen to logstash? isn't it widely used? | 16:52 |
sdake | jascott1 we need an honest eval of the different solutions | 16:53 |
sdake | rather then picking one randomly :) | 16:53 |
pbourke | jascott1: i would think twice before using something from mozilla again | 16:53 |
jascott1 | oh sure but no one had mentioned it. got it. | 16:53 |
Jeffrey4l_ | we'd better talk the alternative after the summit ;) | 16:53 |
wirehead_ | heh | 16:53 |
berendt | logstash-forwarder was replaced by filebeat | 16:53 |
inc0 | well, it's a 4th option to look at sdake | 16:53 |
berendt | logstash is not deprecated | 16:53 |
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jascott1 | logstash is 300M JVM iirc | 16:53 |
duonghq | sdake: is there some criterial for evaluate logging engine? | 16:53 |
wirehead_ | Filebeat is a tiny little go app. | 16:54 |
inc0 | it has to do what heka is doing today and not deprecated;) | 16:54 |
sdake | duonghq not that i know of - an action item | 16:54 |
duonghq | ya | 16:54 |
wirehead_ | (Logstash-forwarder was also pretty cute and tiny) | 16:54 |
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inc0 | if it meets these 2 simple criteria - pick up best one | 16:54 |
sdake | wirehead_ minus the java jvm part... | 16:54 |
sdake | it should also be effecient - 3rd criteria | 16:54 |
wirehead_ | You don’t need the Logstash engine actually running unless you are mediating queues and stuff, filebeat can go straight to elasticsearch | 16:55 |
sdake | 25% of our cpu consumption on controller nodes is the logging stack | 16:55 |
wirehead_ | Naw, logstash-forwarder is also a go app | 16:55 |
sdake | guess its time to learn go :) | 16:55 |
duonghq | agreed with sdake | 16:56 |
sdake | i was making a joke | 16:56 |
sdake | but ok :) | 16:56 |
wirehead_ | <best Marvin the paranoid android voice> It’s awful </best Marvin the paranoid android voice> | 16:56 |
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wirehead_ | I mean, Logstash / Filebeat / ElasticSearch is sufficently popular that there has to be a clear migration off of it if something changes. | 16:56 |
duonghq | about summit sessions, have we fixed topic about kolla-k8s? | 16:56 |
inc0 | duonghq, 2 sessions for kolla-k8s | 16:57 |
sdake | duonghq the schedule is in #opnestack-kolla topic | 16:57 |
inc0 | roadmap and arch | 16:57 |
rhallisey | duonghq, ya there are 2 | 16:57 |
inc0 | anwyay, we're running out of time | 16:57 |
duonghq | okay | 16:57 |
inc0 | let's move to our normal channel please | 16:57 |
inc0 | unless there are last comments to make?:) | 16:57 |
zhubingbing | bye;) | 16:57 |
duonghq | thank you all | 16:58 |
inc0 | ok, thank you guys! see you in summit I hope! | 16:58 |
Jeffrey4l_ | hey guys. | 16:58 |
inc0 | #endmeeting kolla | 16:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 12 16:58:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-10-12-16.01.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-10-12-16.01.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-10-12-16.01.log.html | 16:58 |
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jamemcc | whois trandles | 19:58 |
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